From jbabygirlr@hotmail.com Thu, 31 Aug 2000 11:32:31 MDT Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 11:32:31 MDT From: jessica rembowski jbabygirlr@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] eyes >From: Mad4madimac@aol.com >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] eyes >Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:11:36 EDT > >My husband had the surgery about 2 years ago and he saw with 20/25 vision >the >next day and has been very happy since. Over the next week it got even >better. He was extremely blind since 3rd grade. He had 20/400 vision >before >the surgery, plus a significant astigmatism. What they explained before >the >surgery was that they take a thin layer of the cornea, peel back the flap >and >reshape the eye underneath, then replace the flap back onto the eye. It >takes about 5 minutes. It was amazing. > >Also, did you try the test that was in the readings? It has you cover one >eye while staring at an x as you move closer to the page the dot next to >the >x disappears, it was strange to find a blind spot in my vision. > > Madison #00155404 > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 In refernce to the eye surguries and what exactly they do, I know that the type of the surgery uusually dignifies what the problem of the eye is. My friends sister just recently had corrective eye surgery and was very pleased with the results. Some procedures only allow for you to have one eye done at a time but the procedure she had done, they were able to do both eyes the same day. In her procudre she was awake the whole time and they actually took her eyeball out of socket to work on it. I believe they used some type of vaccum that actually lifts it out of scoket. She felt no pain except for a little pressure. I'm thinking about getting it down because I am nearsighted and my vision in just getting worse. I saw on TV that there are also procedures that they actaully implant a permant contact underneath the lens. I believe that the shape of the eye does not allow you to have some of these procedures so implanting a permanent contact might be a nice alternative for those who have different shaped eyes. Has anyone heard about the implanting of a permanet contact lens as a corrective surgery? Jessica-jbabygirlr@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jbabygirlr@hotmail.com Thu, 31 Aug 2000 11:44:09 MDT Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 11:44:09 MDT From: jessica rembowski jbabygirlr@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] The man and the hat >From: Corey Raemer >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: Cognitive Psychology List >Subject: [Psych3120] The man and the hat >Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 22:33:10 -0600 > >That story of "the man which mistook his wife for a hat" is good >reading. If I recall from my Brain and Behavior class (psych 3711, >highly suggested to all interested in this type of stuff) It is usually >due to damage in secondary visual cortex regions of the brain. I think >it is called visual agnosia or something like that. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 In refence to the brain and behavior class, which I also took, I remember reading and seeing pictures related to this visual agnosia. A man could see a persons body but could not see their face. I belive he recieved some injury to the brain. In the pictures, there was a circle representing this blind spot that this gentleman had and it was quite interesting to me to think that you know that person must have a head or a face but are unable to physically see it. This kind of goes back to the example presented in class that about not being able to see the ball but to reach out and catch the ball as its being thrown. Its quite facinating. On another note, I was reading the paper today and the Sumpreme Court Ruled Baring Medical Marijuana. I believe that marijuana is sometimes prescribed to patients who gave severe glaucoma? I really don't know what glaucoma is but doesn't it have something to with your eyes or am I completely wrong? -Jessica -jbabygirlr@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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From ham070@hotmail.com Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:16:59 MDT Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:16:59 MDT From: amber kresser ham070@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Do you See What I see? that makes a lot of sense actually. i was thinking about that same thing. have you ever ran into someone and for some reason they look different that time than any other time you have seen them. not just like a change in dress or whatever, but their face actually looks different. like things that you never noticed before all of the sudden you pick up on. i think that probably sounds weird, but maybe its just that we had this perception about that person and we never bothered to really look at them, and then one day we just see them differently. i think that perception has so much to do with how we see the world. once you alter your perception, you might see things in a totally new light. >From: Derrel and Magen Grappendorf >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: >Subject: [Psych3120] Do you See What I see? >Date: Wed, 30 Aug 00 21:50:36 -0600 > >Have you ever wondered what it would be like looking through someone >elses eyes? Would you see people and objects the same way as you see >them with your own eyes? Maybe I am wrong, but I think things would look >different, not totally different. Each of our eyes have unique flaws and >qualities; some things may appear darker or lighter, or even clear or >blury. I think things would look different also because of our >perceptions. For example, we don't always pay attention to all the >details as we observe someone's face. We can percieve what they look >like, but if we were to look through someone elses eyes, we might see the >same person in a different way. Does that make sense? > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Norrisrachel@aol.com Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:23:05 EDT Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:23:05 EDT From: Norrisrachel@aol.com Norrisrachel@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] Do you See What I see? I really do think that, because we all have different perceptions, that we would see things differently through someone else's eyes. If only that were possible to do, I think it would be very fascinating. The most fascinating part would be to see how others "see" you--that is, how other perceive you. It would be very interesting to see how different people view the world and those around them. From A.Cahoon@m.cc.utah.edu Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:58:38 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:58:38 -0600 (MDT) From: A Cahoon A.Cahoon@m.cc.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) My dad is colorblind. He can see yellow but not red, which makes it difficult at traffic stoplights. In the lecture on Tuesday, we discussed the opponent process and the color circle. I was wondering, if people with color vision get the color circle, what do people who are colorblind have and why are they able to see some colors but not others? I was also wondering, do people who are colorblind have any cones in the fovea? I heard that colorblindness is due to heredity from the mother and that only males get it. Is this true? Amy Cahoon 00077943 From ham070@hotmail.com Thu, 31 Aug 2000 13:13:40 MDT Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 13:13:40 MDT From: amber kresser ham070@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] interesting stuff about the cornea i was just reading chapter 3 from matlin/fowley and it was interesting to learn that the cornea actually has no blood vessels because it would block the incoming light. therefore, they have to get nutrients and oxygen from another source, the aqueous humor. the aqueous humor is a watery liquid that delivers oxygen and nutrients to the cornea via the anterior chamber. another interesting fact is that the anterior chamber can get blocked (mainly in elderly) and that is what causes glaucoma. there are about 2million people with glaucoma and at least 80,000 go blind from the condition. anyways, just thought i would add my two cents about the subject, i thought it was interesting reading. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From mobiaz@excite.com Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:20:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:20:53 -0700 (PDT) From: mobiaz@excite.com mobiaz@excite.com Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) I have taken a few classes that have discussed color blindness so I will try to offer what I know. In the eye there are the cones and rods. The cones are what is responsible for color vision. Furthermore, there are three types of cones each with a different pigment. These pigments allow different cones to respond to different wavelengths of light. For example, there is a red, green and I think a blue pigment. These pigments either excite or inhibit the ganglion nerves and allow us to see the spectrum of colors. Now when there is a genetic defect in the pigments it can result in color blindness. Therefore, Your dad probably has a defect in the gene that encodes for the red pigment that would allow him to see the color, but not defective with respect to the blue pigment which is involved with seeing yellow. Thus, people who are color blind most deffinitly have cones within the fovea, however, some of them are defective due to their faulty pigments. With respect to color blindness coming from the mothers side, The gene for color blindness is probably an X linked gene which would make it more prevelent in males. I am not sure if it is exclusive to males though. I think that because males only have one X chromosome that it probably is just much more frequent in males than in females. On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:58:38 -0600 (MDT), psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: > My dad is colorblind. He can see yellow but not red, which makes it > difficult at traffic stoplights. In the lecture on Tuesday, we discussed > the opponent process and the color circle. I was wondering, if people > with color vision get the color circle, what do people who are colorblind > have and why are they able to see some colors but not others? I was also > wondering, do people who are colorblind have any cones in the fovea? I > heard that colorblindness is due to heredity from the mother and that only > males get it. Is this true? > Amy Cahoon 00077943 > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From salari_ali@hotmail.com Thu, 31 Aug 2000 13:29:53 MDT Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 13:29:53 MDT From: Ali Salari salari_ali@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) I believe colorblindness is an X - linked recessive trait. As a result, males are more likely to be color blind if their mom is a carrier and passes that gene along. The father does not contribute to the males because he passes the Y - gene to the males. Females are less likely to be colorblind because it is less probable they will a recessive X - gene from each of their parents. >From: A Cahoon >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych 3120 >Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) >Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:58:38 -0600 (MDT) > >My dad is colorblind. He can see yellow but not red, which makes it >difficult at traffic stoplights. In the lecture on Tuesday, we discussed >the opponent process and the color circle. I was wondering, if people >with color vision get the color circle, what do people who are colorblind >have and why are they able to see some colors but not others? I was also >wondering, do people who are colorblind have any cones in the fovea? I >heard that colorblindness is due to heredity from the mother and that only >males get it. Is this true? >Amy Cahoon 00077943 > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From lauraebarron@hotmail.com Thu, 31 Aug 2000 13:39:44 MDT Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 13:39:44 MDT From: laura barron lauraebarron@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Do you See What I see? i also agree that it would be interesting to see through another person's eyes. i always find it funny when i argue with friends over what color a shirt is. is it red or orange? grenn or blue? you have to stop and wonder if they define the color diferently or if they just see green and you see blue. it is fascinating how much the visual system can vary from person to person. laura barron #00037675 From: Norrisrachel@aol.com Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Do you See What I see? Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:23:05 EDT I really do think that, because we all have different perceptions, that we would see things differently through someone else's eyes. If only that were possible to do, I think it would be very fascinating. The most fascinating part would be to see how others "see" you--that is, how other perceive you. It would be very interesting to see how different people view the world and those around them. _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From lauraebarron@hotmail.com Thu, 31 Aug 2000 13:55:31 MDT Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 13:55:31 MDT From: laura barron lauraebarron@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Do you See What I see? i also agree that it would be interesting to see through another person's eyes. i always find it funny when i argue with friends over what color a shirt is. is it red or orange? grenn or blue? you have to stop and wonder if they define the color diferently or if they just see green and you see blue. it is fascinating how much the visual system can vary from person to person. laura barron #00037675 From: Norrisrachel@aol.com Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Do you See What I see? Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:23:05 EDT I really do think that, because we all have different perceptions, that we would see things differently through someone else's eyes. If only that were possible to do, I think it would be very fascinating. The most fascinating part would be to see how others "see" you--that is, how other perceive you. It would be very interesting to see how different people view the world and those around them. _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Thurie@aol.com Thu, 31 Aug 2000 16:03:15 EDT Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 16:03:15 EDT From: Thurie@aol.com Thurie@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] eyes I am near sighted, and when you mentioned about people not having access to glasses, and probably having head aches all day. That is exactly what happens. I wouldn't wear my glasses in highschool because I thought they looked dorky. All day long I had a constant head ache from squinting to try and see the board. It was pretty uncomfortable. Also, I have wanted to get the eye surgery, except for the fact that it costs a ton of money and isn't covered by insurance. They consider it like plastic surgery, not something that is a necessity to your health. I can't see how a nose job and making someone be able to see are even similar. I have astigmatism and my optomatrist has told me that people with that condition are very good canidates for the Lasik surgery. They usually have very good outcomes after the surgery. Clinton Thurgood From gleim@uswest.net Thu, 31 Aug 2000 13:46:00 -0600 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 13:46:00 -0600 From: The Gleim's gleim@uswest.net Subject: [Psych3120] glaucoma There was a question about what glaucoma was, I looked it up and apparently it is a serious disease of the eye. It's characterized by high intraocular pressure. I'm assuming this is why they blow air in your eye when testing for it, so that the optomitrist can access how much pressure there is. Results from the disease are a damaged optic disk, hardening of the eye ball and partial or complete loss of vision. I hope that helps the discussion. Heather #00067221 -----Original Message----- From: jessica rembowski To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Date: Thursday, August 31, 2000 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [Psych3120] The man and the hat > >>_______________________________________________ >>Psych3120 mailing list >>Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > >In refence to the brain and behavior class, which I also took, I remember >reading and seeing pictures related to this visual agnosia. A man could see >a persons body but could not see their face. I belive he recieved some >injury to the brain. In the pictures, there was a circle representing this >blind spot that this gentleman had and it was quite interesting to me to >think that you know that person must have a head or a face but are unable to >physically see it. This kind of goes back to the example presented in class >that about not being able to see the ball but to reach out and catch the >ball as its being thrown. Its quite facinating. On another note, I was >reading the paper today and the Sumpreme Court Ruled Baring Medical >Marijuana. I believe that marijuana is sometimes prescribed to patients who >gave severe glaucoma? I really don't know what glaucoma is but doesn't it >have something to with your eyes or am I completely wrong? > >-Jessica -jbabygirlr@hotmail.com >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From candyphi@hotmail.com Thu, 31 Aug 2000 20:31:30 GMT Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 20:31:30 GMT From: candyphi nguyen candyphi@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) I read on the article the other day that the more the women work the worse men's health but women's health will not be effect by the amount of time that the men work. The research is a survey and be done by a social professor in Chicago. I'm wondering about who and where did they get the survey come from. To me, it's unfair to make a conclusion when you don't post or tell people where do you get the source of information. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From CatherineW123@aol.com Thu, 31 Aug 2000 17:00:00 EDT Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 17:00:00 EDT From: CatherineW123@aol.com CatherineW123@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] Psych3120 I have a question about depth perception and multiple sclerosis. I watched a movie the other day and in it they said one of the symptoms of multiple sclerosis was loosing depth perception and having accidents (bumping into things, falling downstairs, etc.) because of this. How does multiple sclerosis affect depth perception and is this something that cognitive psychologists study? From rosemary420@hotmail.com Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:05:05 GMT Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:05:05 GMT From: Rosemary Russo rosemary420@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Glaucoma The term Glaucoma is associated with the eye, and actually refers to a number of different eye diseases that all have the same characteristics. Generally these include too much pressure in the eye (perhaps within the aqueas humor?), optic nerve damage, and vision loss. If you want anymore information about it, I suggest checking out the Glaucoma Research Foundation's website: www.glaucoma.org The reason why medical doctors and others are pushing to legalize marijuna for medical use is because the THC in marijuana has been shown to lower the elevated eye pressure which is caused by Glaucoma, and also slows the onset of blindness which often is a consequence of Glaucoma. The National Eye Institute had been doing studies during the late 70's and early 80's on the effects of marijuana, finding that when ingested of smoked it did indeed lower eye pressure. Further research has yet to be done, most likely due to the fact that it is still considered an illegal substance. In addition to relieving eye pressure and slowing the onset of blindness, marijuana has also been shown to reduce the pain associated with AIDS patients and stimulate appetitie for those suffering from malnutrition caused by certain treatments. Seems rather useful if you ask me, but who am I to argue with the all knowing Supreme Court Justices? heh heh Rosemary Russo #00086213 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From ilikeduplos@hotmail.com Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:17:44 MDT Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:17:44 MDT From: Erica Fleming ilikeduplos@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Do you See What I see? I think it's an interesting topic that you bring up, "looking through someone else's eyes." I just wanted to add a little something to what you said..... besides having sight in another persons or pair of eyes, I think that not only the eyes change (meaning their capabilities such as farsighted, nearsighted, flaws and so on...) but I also think that the person controlling the "power" of the eyes brings distinction and personality to the eye sight. For instance, when some of us meet a new person in life one person may focus on the face of the person while another person may just focus on the lips, or the eyes, forehead and so on. So I guess what I am trying to say is that our eyes are also an extension of our personalities. Do you agree? Erica >From: Derrel and Magen Grappendorf >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: >Subject: [Psych3120] Do you See What I see? >Date: Wed, 30 Aug 00 21:50:36 -0600 > >Have you ever wondered what it would be like looking through someone >elses eyes? Would you see people and objects the same way as you see >them with your own eyes? Maybe I am wrong, but I think things would look >different, not totally different. Each of our eyes have unique flaws and >qualities; some things may appear darker or lighter, or even clear or >blury. I think things would look different also because of our >perceptions. For example, we don't always pay attention to all the >details as we observe someone's face. We can percieve what they look >like, but if we were to look through someone elses eyes, we might see the >same person in a different way. Does that make sense? > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Thu, 31 Aug 2000 18:46:42 -700 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 18:46:42 -700 From: Kristin Ward kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] Do you See What I see? Definitely an interesting question! In some ways, the idea that your personality influences your perceptions is simlar to the concept of top-down processing. Today Dr. Strayer pointed out in class that you are more likely to see the young woman than the old lady in one of the ambiguous figures he presented if you have been discussing something related to young women or young people in general before you view the picture. Since your personality will affect the general trend of your thoughts, it is possible that your personality, like your knowledge, will affect the way you perceive the world. > I think it's an interesting topic that you bring up, "looking through > someone else's eyes." I just wanted to add a little something to what you > said..... besides having sight in another persons or pair of eyes, I think > that not only the eyes change (meaning their capabilities such as > farsighted, nearsighted, flaws and so on...) but I also think that the > person controlling the "power" of the eyes brings distinction and > personality to the eye sight. For instance, when some of us meet a new > person in life one person may focus on the face of the person while another > person may just focus on the lips, or the eyes, forehead and so on. So I > guess what I am trying to say is that our eyes are also an extension of our > personalities. Do you agree? > > Erica > > > >From: Derrel and Magen Grappendorf > >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >To: > >Subject: [Psych3120] Do you See What I see? > >Date: Wed, 30 Aug 00 21:50:36 -0600 > > > >Have you ever wondered what it would be like looking through someone > >elses eyes? Would you see people and objects the same way as you see > >them with your own eyes? Maybe I am wrong, but I think things would look > >different, not totally different. Each of our eyes have unique flaws and > >qualities; some things may appear darker or lighter, or even clear or > >blury. I think things would look different also because of our > >perceptions. For example, we don't always pay attention to all the > >details as we observe someone's face. We can percieve what they look > >like, but if we were to look through someone elses eyes, we might see the > >same person in a different way. Does that make sense? > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Psych3120 mailing list > >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Thu, 31 Aug 2000 19:04:06 -700 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 19:04:06 -700 From: Kristin Ward kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] Psych3120 >From the information I have found so far, most of the research on MS is being done by physicians. However, perceptual problems of any kind are frequently studied by cognitive psychologists. For more information on Multiple Sclerosis and it's effects on vision, you may want to look at the National Multiple Sclerosis Society Webpage (http://www.nmss.org). Kristin I have a question about depth perception and multiple sclerosis. I watched a > movie the other day and in it they said one of the symptoms of multiple > sclerosis was loosing depth perception and having accidents (bumping into > things, falling downstairs, etc.) because of this. How does multiple > sclerosis affect depth perception and is this something that cognitive > psychologists study? > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Thu, 31 Aug 2000 19:06:53 -700 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 19:06:53 -700 From: Kristin Ward kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] eyes We'll actually be talking about LASIK surgery later this semester. For more information about it, look on the Class Materials section of the class website. There is an article there titled Information about LASIK surgery that you might find helpful. > > > >From: Mad4madimac@aol.com > >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] eyes > >Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:11:36 EDT > > > >My husband had the surgery about 2 years ago and he saw with 20/25 vision > >the > >next day and has been very happy since. Over the next week it got even > >better. He was extremely blind since 3rd grade. He had 20/400 vision > >before > >the surgery, plus a significant astigmatism. What they explained before > >the > >surgery was that they take a thin layer of the cornea, peel back the flap > >and > >reshape the eye underneath, then replace the flap back onto the eye. It > >takes about 5 minutes. It was amazing. > > > >Also, did you try the test that was in the readings? It has you cover one > >eye while staring at an x as you move closer to the page the dot next to > >the > >x disappears, it was strange to find a blind spot in my vision. > > > > Madison #00155404 > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Psych3120 mailing list > >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > > > In refernce to the eye surguries and what exactly they do, I know that the > type of the surgery uusually dignifies what the problem of the eye is. My > friends sister just recently had corrective eye surgery and was very pleased > with the results. Some procedures only allow for you to have one eye done at > a time but the procedure she had done, they were able to do both eyes the > same day. In her procudre she was awake the whole time and they actually > took her eyeball out of socket to work on it. I believe they used some type > of vaccum that actually lifts it out of scoket. She felt no pain except for > a little pressure. I'm thinking about getting it down because I am > nearsighted and my vision in just getting worse. I saw on TV that there are > also procedures that they actaully implant a permant contact underneath the > lens. I believe that the shape of the eye does not allow you to have some of > these procedures so implanting a permanent contact might be a nice > alternative for those who have different shaped eyes. Has anyone heard about > the implanting of a permanet contact lens as a corrective surgery? > > Jessica-jbabygirlr@hotmail.com > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From tarahdavis@yahoo.com Thu, 31 Aug 2000 18:15:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 18:15:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Tarah davis tarahdavis@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] motion parallax okay, so here is my deep thought (maybe to some)...... motion parallax was defined as the following: as you move, ojects at different distances move in different directions and at different speeds. Dr. Strayer gave the example that when you are riding in a car objects close to you seem to be moving in the opposite direction and objects farther away seem to be moving in the same direction (I hope I got that right). Anyway, so if you are sitting on a subway car facing backwards (you know, like on one of the seats that face opposite of everyone else) does this motion cue still apply? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dgrappe@bitcorp.net Thu, 31 Aug 00 19:15:54 -0600 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 00 19:15:54 -0600 From: Derrel and Magen Grappendorf dgrappe@bitcorp.net Subject: [Psych3120] glaucoma My mom has glaucoma. She had it for several years before the doctors discovered it. Not only do they blow air into your eyes (the old way of testing), they alos touch your eye with a sort of pressure gauge. People with glaucoma, have a gradual loss of vision, especially preferal vision. It's like they their eyes gradually go into a tunnel vision. From tarahdavis@yahoo.com Thu, 31 Aug 2000 18:14:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 18:14:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Tarah davis tarahdavis@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] Migraine okay, one other thought.... I get migraine headaches that begin with loss of vision. It is like someone flashed a camera in my eyes a few times. Does anyone know why this happens? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Thu, 31 Aug 2000 19:21:11 -700 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 19:21:11 -700 From: Kristin Ward kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) We'll actually be looking at Color Vision (and color blindness along with it) later in the semester. The color vision section in the online readings discusses color deficiencies. To sum it up, here's the 30-second version of color deficiencies: Color blindness is more usually a color deficiency; that is, the individual can still perceive some color, but has trouble with a particular wavelength of color. People who have the most common type of color blindness (anomolous trichromats) possess the usual three types of cones (red, green, and blue), but one set of these has an abnormal absorption spectrum. If one set of cones has an abnormal absorption spectrum, the system will still function, but the individual will have difficulty perceiving colors normally handled by that set of cones (for example, a person who's red cones had an abnormal absorption spectrum would have difficulties perceiving red) Other, less common, types of colorblindness occur when one of the types of cones is missing altogether. The individual will still have the normal number of cones, but they will only have one or two of the types of cones. A dichromat has two of the cone types and a monochromat has only one. (For example, a dichromat might possess only green and blue cones and be missing red cones and a monochromat might have only green cones and be missing blue and red). Kristin > I have taken a few classes that have discussed color blindness so I will try > to offer what I know. > > In the eye there are the cones and rods. The cones are what is responsible > for color vision. Furthermore, there are three types of cones each with a > different pigment. These pigments allow different cones to respond to > different wavelengths of light. For example, there is a red, green and I > think a blue pigment. These pigments either excite or inhibit the ganglion > nerves and allow us to see the spectrum of colors. Now when there is a > genetic defect in the pigments it can result in color blindness. Therefore, > Your dad probably has a defect in the gene that encodes for the red pigment > that would allow him to see the color, but not defective with respect to the > blue pigment which is involved with seeing yellow. Thus, people who are > color blind most deffinitly have cones within the fovea, however, some of > them are defective due to their faulty pigments. With respect to color > blindness coming from the mothers side, The gene for color blindness is > probably an X linked gene which would make it more prevelent in males. I am > not sure if it is exclusive to males though. I think that because males > only have one X chromosome that it probably is just much more frequent in > males than in females. > > > > On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:58:38 -0600 (MDT), psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > wrote: > > > My dad is colorblind. He can see yellow but not red, which makes it > > difficult at traffic stoplights. In the lecture on Tuesday, we discussed > > the opponent process and the color circle. I was wondering, if people > > with color vision get the color circle, what do people who are colorblind > > have and why are they able to see some colors but not others? I was also > > wondering, do people who are colorblind have any cones in the fovea? I > > heard that colorblindness is due to heredity from the mother and that > only > > males get it. Is this true? > > Amy Cahoon 00077943 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Psych3120 mailing list > > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Say Bye to Slow Internet! > http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Thu, 31 Aug 2000 19:50:04 -700 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 19:50:04 -700 From: Kristin Ward kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] The man and the hat (visual agnosia) Here's a little bit about visual agnosia for those who haven't yet had Brain and Behavior. Agnosia is a failure of recognition that is not attributable to sensory, verbal or intellectual impairment. This impairment is usually limited to one sensory system. In visual agnosia is agnosia for visual stimuli. Basically, a visual agnosic will see the visual stimuli but fail to recognize it. For example, a patient might see a chair and be able to navigate around it, etc. but wouldn't be able to tell that it is a chair. This impairment can even be limited to a specific visual system. For example, movement agnosia is the inability to recognize movement and color agnosia is the inability to recognize color. Visual agnosia results from damage to the secondary visual cortex. The specific area of damage determines which particular aspect of visual input is impaired. For more information see "Brain and Behavior" Chaoter 8, by Pinel. Kristin That story of "the man which mistook his wife for a hat" is good > reading. If I recall from my Brain and Behavior class (psych 3711, > highly suggested to all interested in this type of stuff) It is usually > due to damage in secondary visual cortex regions of the brain. I think > it is called visual agnosia or something like that. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From listonbr@yahoo.com Thu, 31 Aug 2000 19:37:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 19:37:57 -0700 (PDT) From: s.brandon liston listonbr@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] eyes INFRA-RED, I know this is a past topic but I thought it would be interesting to share and also receive feedback on. Recently I had the oppertunity to experience an altitude chamber through the Air Force. What we did was enter a pressurized silo where they train pilots so that they can measure succeptibility to such things as the bends. Although the most fascinating thing that we experienced was, when we were told to stare at a specific point on a map, they then turned out the lights and the area we were staring at began to glow in a bright red, we were able to see that as clear as when the lights where on. I know this had to do a little with the oxygen bubbles in our bodies, but I am curious as to how we were able to see in an IFRA-RED setting. 00154324 Liston __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From CatherineW123@aol.com Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:07:31 EDT Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:07:31 EDT From: CatherineW123@aol.com CatherineW123@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] eyes I heard on the radio that they now even have laser eye surgery places in malls. How amazing! My cousin and uncle both had it done and said the surgery worked great. From CatherineW123@aol.com Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:10:38 EDT Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:10:38 EDT From: CatherineW123@aol.com CatherineW123@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] eyes While reading everyone's postings about the corrective eye laser surgery I was wondering if people still believe it is bad for you to read in the dark. Does this really damage your eye sight? From CatherineW123@aol.com Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:12:38 EDT Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:12:38 EDT From: CatherineW123@aol.com CatherineW123@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) I thought that females could also be colorblind, but were less likely. I could be wrong though. From CatherineW123@aol.com Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:15:17 EDT Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:15:17 EDT From: CatherineW123@aol.com CatherineW123@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] eyes Do insurance companies cover glasses and contacts? If they do you think doing a one time surgery would be less expensive than paying for new glasses and contacts many times. From hansen86@freeport.com Fri, 01 Sep 2000 03:34:45 GMT Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 03:34:45 GMT From: Kyle Hansen hansen86@freeport.com Subject: [Psych3120] work tests I have been reading many of the messages posted about color blindness why people have it, why males have it more often than females, and my question concerning colorblindness is: Why is it important for employers to have there new hires take color blindness tests? I can understand it maybe if the person applying for the job is completely colorblind, in that they only see black and white. But why does it matter if you can determine between a dark navy blue and a black. Is that really going to affect your job performance that much? Anyone with answers to this question I would really appreciate it. From garffdog@hotmail.com Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:36:03 MDT Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:36:03 MDT From: matt garff garffdog@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] eyes That surgery costs about $2000 per eye, and insurance companies will gernerally look at the one time cost, because the less they pay out at once, the more time they have to collect from everyone else. It's not right, but it's how they make money. Glasses are about 10-15% of the single eye charge, and I don't know, but I don't think many people have to replace their glasses enough to equal $4000 dollars. MATT GARFF 00144838 >From: CatherineW123@aol.com >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] eyes >Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:15:17 EDT > >Do insurance companies cover glasses and contacts? If they do you think >doing >a one time surgery would be less expensive than paying for new glasses and >contacts many times. > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jonnyutah@mindspring.com Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:24:16 -0600 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:24:16 -0600 From: Jon Lindberg jonnyutah@mindspring.com Subject: [Psych3120] Child w/disability Hi everyone! I currently work with a young man who has a very rare syndrome known as Lowe's syndrome. A component of this syndrome is the development of scar tissue (type of cataract, i think...) across the individuals eyes. To correct this problem, this little boy recently underwent a procedure known as "keyhole" surgery, where the doctor cuts small slats in the scar tissue on his cornea to allow light to pass through the pupil. The results were astonishing! Before the surgery, he could see enough to walk and manipulate his environment, but now, WOW! He is now able to discern soap bubbles that we blow at about eight feet away and can now see objects in his path that may trip him up. The downside to this surgery is that it needs to be performed every few years, as the scar tissue grows over the keyhole sites on his cornea. All in all, its pretty cool, eh? From kimcrocheron@mail.com Fri, 1 Sep 2000 01:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 01:52:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Kim Crocheron kimcrocheron@mail.com Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) My insurance covers any type of eye exam, glasses, contacts, or even cleaning solution up to $250. every two years. I think it just depends on the insurance. I know that this is less expensive for me than covering the remaining amount for eye surgery. ........................................................ iWon.com http://www.iwon.com why wouldn't you? ........................................................ From Ryanjg76@cs.com Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:50:04 EDT Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:50:04 EDT From: Ryanjg76@cs.com Ryanjg76@cs.com Subject: [Psych3120] motion parallax You asked the question that if one faces the opposite direction on a subway (that is backwards) from everyone else, would the movement parallax still apply? I think it would not apply to those who face backwards. The closer an object is in this instance (backwards) the direction of objects would go in the same direction as the person facing backwards, because he/she is already facing the direction that the close objects would be moving. So if you looked out the window of the subway objects would pass by. When the objects begin to move farther away they will look as if they are getting farther. The difference lies in the fact that if you face backwards you are not tricking your perception, the objects are moving farther away. Those who are facing forwards have a different angle, different perception, and the objects are not moving farther away in reality. That is why the objects appear as if they are moving farther away to those facing forwards. Of course, I may be wrong, does anyone else have an opinion? From jameshaymond@hotmail.com Fri, 01 Sep 2000 12:40:15 EDT Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 12:40:15 EDT From: james haymond jameshaymond@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) During the last lecture we learned that the brain will fire specific neurons according to the image projected on the retina. I found the example of Margaret Thather very interesting. I have done some drawing before and as an artist it is often necessary to break down each line and shape disregarding the image as a whole in order to replicate the image accuratly. I however didn't notice that the mouth and eyes were upside-down, until the image was shown to us right side up. The example was effective. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:25:40 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:25:40 -0600 (MDT) From: Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] motion parallax I have a comment about motion parallax. A few weeks ago my friend and I were driving to the Mendocino Woodlands in California. We took a less than agreeable route near the end of our journey--the road wasn't paved and the switch-backs were so bad that we could only go about 20 mph. I was on the passenger side and wasn't really paying much attention to what I was looking at as my friend and I were having a great conversation. After a half an hour I was so queezy that we had to stop the car. I got out and was very dizzy and proceeded to do what you would think I would do--I won't go into details. When I felt better, we started again, but I got sick a second time. My friend finally told me to look at the furthest object I could find and just focus on it. I did that the rest of the way to our destination and , walla! no more sickness! Thursday in class Dr. Strayer mentioned that there was a place on the class website that we could make our own random dot stereograms. I can't seem to find it. Does anyone know where it is? I've done a search on the internet and a bizillion entries come up for random dot stereograms so I'd like to be able to narrow it down some. Thanks! From jbabygirlr@hotmail.com Fri, 01 Sep 2000 11:44:04 MDT Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 11:44:04 MDT From: jessica rembowski jbabygirlr@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] work tests >From: Kyle Hansen >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] work tests >Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 03:34:45 GMT > >I have been reading many of the messages posted about color >blindness why people have it, why males have it more often >than females, and my question concerning colorblindness is: >Why is it important for employers to have there new hires >take color blindness tests? I can understand it maybe if >the person applying for the job is completely colorblind, >in that they only see black and white. But why does it >matter if you can determine between a dark navy blue and a >black. Is that really going to affect your job performance >that much? Anyone with answers to this question I would >really appreciate it. > >In reference to you question, I agree with why must an employeer make >someone take these tests? My brother is colorblind and the only problem >that he has is sometimes his matching skills, like picking out something to >wear. He was interest in becoming a pilot in the airforce and was told that >the pilots must have perfect vision and no colorblindness. I understand it >in the case of being a pilot but why must an employeer know if one is >colorblind or not if its a trivial job? -Jessica >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Smth995@cs.com Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:46:04 EDT Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:46:04 EDT From: Smth995@cs.com Smth995@cs.com Subject: [Psych3120] eyes I was under the impression that the saying that reading in the dark is bad for your eyes is just an old wives tale. It's like taking a picture in low light. The picture doesn't come out very good, but it doesn't hurt the camera. I've noticed that my eyes do get 'tired' when when I'm reading at night though. From Smth995@cs.com Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:51:14 EDT Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:51:14 EDT From: Smth995@cs.com Smth995@cs.com Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) I always thought that the reason people said animals see in black and white was because animals just have rods (not cones) in their eyes. I'm not sure if that's true though. I'm assuming that's only true for certain animals. From M.Burchett@m.cc.utah.edu Fri, 1 Sep 2000 12:22:51 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 12:22:51 -0600 (MDT) From: M.Burchett@m.cc.utah.edu M.Burchett@m.cc.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] motion parallax I guess I was a little unclear on the nature of the question (regarding the applicability of the motion parallax to an individual facing backward on a subway), but it would still seem to apply to such an individual if that individual looks perpendicular to their direction of travel (i.e., out the window to either side). If he or she is facing out the back window the motion parallax probably would not apply, just as it doesn't apply to the person who only faces forward in a forward moving vehicle. Everything would appear to be moving in the same direction at the same speed when you look in the same (or opposite) direction of travel. The motion parallax only becomes evident when you look to either side. As for which direction these objects would appear to move (the original question), I think their perceived motion would be reversed. The things that would appear to move forward when you face forward would appear to move backward when you face backward. The direction would still be the same, just the label you give to it would be differnt. Does that make sense? Any other ideas? Quoting Ryanjg76@cs. > You asked the question that if one faces the opposite direction on a subway > > (that is backwards) from everyone else, would the movement parallax still > apply? I think it would not apply to those who face backwards. The > closer > an object is in this instance (backwards) the direction of objects would go > > in the same direction as the person facing backwards, because he/she is > already facing the direction that the close objects would be moving. So if > > you looked out the window of the subway objects would pass by. When the > objects begin to move farther away they will look as if they are getting > farther. The difference lies in the fact that if you face backwards you > are > not tricking your perception, the objects are moving farther away. Those > who > are facing forwards have a different angle, different perception, and the > objects are not moving farther away in reality. That is why the objects > appear as if they are moving farther away to those facing forwards. Of > course, I may be wrong, does anyone else have an opinion? > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From M.Burchett@m.cc.utah.edu Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:02:49 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:02:49 -0600 (MDT) From: M.Burchett@m.cc.utah.edu M.Burchett@m.cc.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] motion parallax, note to Marsha Hey Marsha (and anyone else who is interested), This is in response to your question about how to find the stereogram information. All you have to do is Go to the class website (www.psych.utah.edu/psych3120) Click on "Class Materials" Click on "Build Your Own Random Dot Stereogram" There are several stereogram entries under the class materials, but this seems to be the one you are looking for. I didn't personally explore it. It popped up some prompt that asked me to log in. If you decide to explore it, let me know how it works for you. Good luck and I hope this helps. Quoting Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu: > > I have a comment about motion parallax. A few weeks ago > my friend and I were driving to the Mendocino Woodlands > in California. We took a less than agreeable route near > the end of our journey--the road wasn't paved and the > switch-backs were so bad that we could only go about 20 > mph. I was on the passenger side and wasn't really > paying much attention to what I was looking at as my > friend and I were having a great conversation. After a > half an hour I was so queezy that we had to stop the > car. I got out and was very dizzy and proceeded to do > what you would think I would do--I won't go into > details. When I felt better, we started again, but I > got sick a second time. My friend finally told me to > look at the furthest object I could find and just focus > on it. I did that the rest of the way to our > destination and , walla! no more sickness! > > Thursday in class Dr. Strayer mentioned that there was a > place on the class website that we could make our own > random dot stereograms. I can't seem to find it. Does > anyone know where it is? I've done a search on the > internet and a bizillion entries come up for random dot > stereograms so I'd like to be able to narrow it down > some. Thanks! > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From jefbruwid@excite.com Fri, 1 Sep 2000 12:33:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 12:33:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Widdison jefbruwid@excite.com Subject: [Psych3120] Margarat Thatcher I found very interesting the part of the lecture with the two pictures of Ms. Thatcher (one with the eyes and lips reversed, and the other not. I once took a beginning drawing course and our professor had us actual turn a picture of an object upside down, and draw the picture at this position. When we were done drawing, he had us flip the picture over and almost everyone in the class had drawn better than they had of any picture they had ever drawn. That amazed me at that time. I now realize why it was easier to draw upside down. Instead of trying to rely on what we "thought" was how an object should be drawn, we were not able to recognize what part of the picture we were drawing and we drew just what we saw. If we had drawn it right side up, we wouldn't have paid as close attention to the object at hand as much as what we thought was how it should be. I do believe thought that if we began to view the world from an upside down view, we would soon familiar ourselves with it and we would be able to distinguish photos, objects, etc from an upside down angle. But I don't want to be the subject in an experiment like that, I think I would constantly have a runny nose. _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From wilson624@hotmail.com Fri, 01 Sep 2000 13:54:10 MDT Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 13:54:10 MDT From: alanna wilson wilson624@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] attention Attention is the mental process of concentrating effort on a stimulus or a mental event. Specifically selective attention is used to filter out surrounding distractions and focusing on the one important thing we've chosen. I personally have a weakness when it comes to selective attention. I seem to only pay attention to those things that I have a high interest in. I tend to choose what is more interesting at the time or what I'm in the mood for and that is what I listen to. When you are exercising selective attention are you still hearing what is being said or completely ignoring it? Is you subconcious taking over? Do we really have the control over what we listen to or don't listen to? In my opinion, everyone, to one degree or another exercises selective attention (particularly at school) :) If we don't think something will benefit us at a specific time then we don't listen. Do you think this is by our own free choice or is our mind taking over? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From mattdhubby@hotmail.com Fri, 01 Sep 2000 14:09:35 MDT Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 14:09:35 MDT From: matt wilson mattdhubby@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] laws of grouping If you really think about it, you've probably known about Gesalt's laws of grouping your entire life. They are just so basic that you've probably never taken the time to analize why things appear to you the way they do. For exaple, do remember playing hide and go seek when you were younger? I remember being very proud of myself because I discovered that I could hide in a fairly obvious place without being seen. How did I do this? By simply not moving. I found out that movement of an object is much more attractive to the eye than the object itself. And why is this? I guess that's why we're in this class. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Jlkirkley26@aol.com Fri, 1 Sep 2000 18:09:16 EDT Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 18:09:16 EDT From: Jlkirkley26@aol.com Jlkirkley26@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) While on the subject of photoreceptors, can noctornal animals see in complete darkness? From artemishae@yahoo.com Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:31:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:31:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Kelly Symes artemishae@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] Child w/disability Do you know how his vision looked to him prior to this surgery? and how was the man diagnosed? --- Jon Lindberg wrote: > Hi everyone! > > I currently work with a young man who has a very > rare syndrome known as Lowe's > syndrome. A component of this syndrome is the > development of scar tissue (type > of cataract, i think...) across the individuals > eyes. To correct this problem, > this little boy recently underwent a procedure known > as "keyhole" surgery, where > the doctor cuts small slats in the scar tissue on > his cornea to allow light to > pass through the pupil. The results were > astonishing! Before the surgery, he > could see enough to walk and manipulate his > environment, but now, WOW! He is > now able to discern soap bubbles that we blow at > about eight feet away and can > now see objects in his path that may trip him up. > The downside to this surgery > is that it needs to be performed every few years, as > the scar tissue grows over > the keyhole sites on his cornea. All in all, its > pretty cool, eh? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From artemishae@yahoo.com Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:47:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:47:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Kelly Symes artemishae@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] eyes Whether or not glasses are payed for would depend entirely on your insurance policy. As for the most basic, they are not, but usually people have more updated policies that allow for that. --- CatherineW123@aol.com wrote: > Do insurance companies cover glasses and contacts? > If they do you think doing > a one time surgery would be less expensive than > paying for new glasses and > contacts many times. > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From marcisparks@hotmail.com Fri, 01 Sep 2000 17:16:46 MDT Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 17:16:46 MDT From: Marci Sparks marcisparks@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Through someone elses eyes The concept of seeing differently through someone elses eyes is very interesting, I think it must be true, as has been stated according to our perceptual abilities we may see different things. Just as the cat that was raised in a room consisting of only horizontal lines, when released, all he could see were horizontal lines. I think according to the visual experiences that occur throughout our lives different things are perceived or possibly even seen differently. In Neuropsych. it is discussed that there is neural activity for some people when they see certain faces that is not there for others, perhaps indicating a predisposition for seeing certain things that others cannot see or at least see differently. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Fri, 01 Sep 2000 18:17:29 -700 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 18:17:29 -700 From: Kristin Ward kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Nocturnal animals cannot see in complete darkness. While their eyes are far more sensitive to light than ours are, they still need at least some light to see. For a discussion on this, look at the postings from Tuesday and Wednesday. The postings related to this are marked "no subject" Kristin While on the subject of photoreceptors, can noctornal animals see in > complete darkness? > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Fri, 01 Sep 2000 18:22:49 -700 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 18:22:49 -700 From: Kristin Ward kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] work tests As far as I know, an employer is not allowed to discriminate on the basis of color vision (or anything else) for that matter unless it has a direct impact on job performance. I worked at the Department of Workforce Services for a while and I never had any difficulty in finding a job for someone who was colorblind. Kristin I have been reading many of the messages posted about color > blindness why people have it, why males have it more often > than females, and my question concerning colorblindness is: > Why is it important for employers to have there new hires > take color blindness tests? I can understand it maybe if > the person applying for the job is completely colorblind, > in that they only see black and white. But why does it > matter if you can determine between a dark navy blue and a > black. Is that really going to affect your job performance > that much? Anyone with answers to this question I would > really appreciate it. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From Mad4madimac@aol.com Fri, 1 Sep 2000 20:51:01 EDT Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 20:51:01 EDT From: Mad4madimac@aol.com Mad4madimac@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] attention Alan, I just read chapter 3 in our textbook on accident, I don't read textbooks for fun, I didn't notice our reading assignment this week was on the Internet, but it was on attention and it was very interesting. It was about research they did on Attention, where they had people listen to different tapes in each ear and tell them to pay attention to one ear only. They came up with all different results from different things that they did, but the main thing I found fascinating, is that they found we pay attention to what we are familiar with or peaks our interest. I may be simplifying but that was the result of combining odd sentences that came in one ear and, the similar idea ending in the second ear. The person listening, couldn't keep their attention on the first ear. In other words, because the sentences coming in the first ear didn't make sense unless you listened to the similar ideas coming from the second ear, the person couldn't keep their focus. That's why at a party, our attention to the person we are talking to changes when we hear our name spoken across the room. Is this clear as mud? Madison McAllister #00155404 From Thurie@aol.com Fri, 1 Sep 2000 20:51:10 EDT Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 20:51:10 EDT From: Thurie@aol.com Thurie@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] eyes My insurance does cover glasses and contacts. I did a little math and figured out that by the time I am 70, I will have spent about $4,200 on glasses. I have had three pairs of glasses in seven years. They are about $150 - $200 a pair. It would probably be cheaper for insurance companies just to pay for the one time expensive surgery than to pay all the smaller claims. From Mad4madimac@aol.com Fri, 1 Sep 2000 20:56:34 EDT Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 20:56:34 EDT From: Mad4madimac@aol.com Mad4madimac@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] attention My last message was for Alanna, my spell checker corrected it for me. Madison From viper@xmission.com Fri, 01 Sep 2000 21:42:16 -0600 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 21:42:16 -0600 From: Corey Raemer viper@xmission.com Subject: [Psych3120] Laser Eye Surgery I recall and article which was featured in the Salt Lake Tribune quite a few # of months ago. There was research which was done on the eyesight of older individuals. What they found was that even though we keep on increasing eye glass prescriptions to correct vision what actually is happening is as we age our visual cortex loses its ability to translate the images. It was interesting because it showed that the problem wasn't always our eye sight, it was our visual cortex's ability to interpret what our eyes are seeing. From kmarc1@yahoo.com Sat, 2 Sep 2000 07:49:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 07:49:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Marcus Kimsey kmarc1@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] Margaret Thatcher I do believe thought > that if we began to view the world from an upside > down view, we would soon > familiar ourselves with it and we would be able to > distinguish photos, > objects, etc from an upside down angle. But I don't > want to be the subject > in an experiment like that, I think I would > constantly have a runny nose. Actually a group of psychologists did do an experiment on perception like that. The had a few subjects wear glasses that inverted the image they saw so that everything was upside down. They did this basically to see how flexible the brain is, since the image our brain recieves is inverted and the visual cortex puts it right side up during processing. What they found is that after a few difficult days the subjects could see normally again, the brain simply adapted to conditions and they once again percieved the world right side up. Then when they removed the glasses and could see normally the subjects brains continued to invert images and they had to go through a day or so of akwardness again before their vision returned to normal. So if you spent enough time looking at things upside down, you would regcognize them, but then you'd probably have difficulty with things that are right side up. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Sat, 2 Sep 2000 15:02:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 15:02:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Karen Griffin kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] Do you See What I see? I believe that perception is a tremendous part of what we see. Because the eyes are only the sensory mechanism used to provide input into the brain, how each of our brains uses that information is very different based on past experience. One way to show that we each see things differently is to use color as an example. As we get older, we learn the subtlety of colors. The first time you see maroon, you will probably think "red." But once someone identifies the color as something other than a simple red, you store that information for later retrieval. Then, the next time you see the color, you identify it slightly different; your preception has changed, and therfore, what you "see" has changed. Also perception changes as you learn new things. Take for instance the drawing of the young/old woman. The first time I saw that all I could see was the young woman. Now that I know there is another image in the drawing, my perception of all drawings has changed. I often look for hidden meanings. Escher had a similar effect on me. Beliefs and values can change over time causing us to "see" things differently. As you get older, you might better appreciate things you take for granted as a child - a beautiful sunset, seeing an old friend, the beginning of spring. Your perception and what is important to you changes the way you view the world and allows you "see" things in a new light. Karen Griffin 00069957 --- Derrel and Magen Grappendorf wrote: > Have you ever wondered what it would be like looking > through someone > elses eyes? Would you see people and objects the > same way as you see > them with your own eyes? Maybe I am wrong, but I > think things would look > different, not totally different. Each of our eyes > have unique flaws and > qualities; some things may appear darker or lighter, > or even clear or > blury. I think things would look different also > because of our > perceptions. For example, we don't always pay > attention to all the > details as we observe someone's face. We can > percieve what they look > like, but if we were to look through someone elses > eyes, we might see the > same person in a different way. Does that make > sense? > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Sat, 2 Sep 2000 15:06:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 15:06:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Karen Griffin kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] eyes However, by the time you are 70 you will probably have changed jobs anywhere from 10 to 25 times (every two to five years). With each of the job changes, you will probably change insurance companies. So from the individual insurance companies' perspective, it would be cheaper to pay the individual claims for glasses than to pay the one-time laser surgery claim. Just a thought as to why they won't cover it. Karen Griffin --- Thurie@aol.com wrote: > My insurance does cover glasses and contacts. I did > a little math and figured > out that by the time I am 70, I will have spent > about $4,200 on glasses. I > have had three pairs of glasses in seven years. They > are about $150 - $200 a > pair. It would probably be cheaper for insurance > companies just to pay for > the one time expensive surgery than to pay all the > smaller claims. > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Sat, 2 Sep 2000 15:15:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 15:15:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Karen Griffin kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] attention Alanna, Our short-term memory can only process a limited amount of information (7 +/- 2 items), so in some respects the mind forces us to focus on a limited number of things. However, I do believe that it is a conscious choice as to what gets "tuned" out. A personal example for this is driving. When the road conditions are good and there isn't a lot of traffic, I can drive home and sing along to every song and sometimes arrive without remembering where I've been (scary I know, but I guess I'm paying enough attention to get home safely!). But my attention changes dramatically when it's snowing. I find that I can't stand to have the radio on because I don't feel like I can pay total attention to the road and the way the car is responding. Another personal example has to do with math. I hate math--anything mathematical! One interesting way I've found to study it though is to have a sports game (football, basketball, etc.) on the TV while I'm doing my homework. I'm not sure why, but I can process the information more easily if I have a side distraction. Maybe it's that I don't want math to have my total attention because I hate it so much! --- alanna wilson wrote: > Attention is the mental process of concentrating > effort on a stimulus or a > mental event. Specifically selective attention is > used to filter out > surrounding distractions and focusing on the one > important thing we've > chosen. > > I personally have a weakness when it comes to > selective attention. I seem to > only pay attention to those things that I have a > high interest in. I tend to > choose what is more interesting at the time or what > I'm in the mood for and > that is what I listen to. When you are exercising > selective attention are > you still hearing what is being said or completely > ignoring it? Is you > subconcious taking over? Do we really have the > control over what we listen > to or don't listen to? In my opinion, everyone, to > one degree or another > exercises selective attention (particularly at > school) :) If we don't think > something will benefit us at a specific time then we > don't listen. Do you > think this is by our own free choice or is our mind > taking over? > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own > public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From must_09@hotmail.com Sun, 03 Sep 2000 10:53:55 MDT Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 10:53:55 MDT From: mike brooks must_09@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] A little confused I need to know how to go back in and use the "digest" version of the e-mail posts, I don't want to read over 100 e-mails a day. I am also confused about all of the readings, for example: the "visual system" reading is broken down into 3 readings, are we expected to read them all as one or are they listed separately? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jsd1022@yahoo.com Sun, 3 Sep 2000 14:42:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 14:42:58 -0700 (PDT) From: J Doonan jsd1022@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] Color vision Has anybody read "The Case of the Colorblind Painter?" I was wondering if anybody who is color blind, either born that way or acquired it, could shed some personal light on what it is like? My father was born color blind, but it never bothered him because he didn't know anything else. In fact he was so indifferent to the fact that his own father still to this day believes that he makes it up. Is it true that it is inherited from your mother and that it is extremely rare for women to have the disorder? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From sailoruranus@altavista.net Sun, 3 Sep 2000 20:00:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 20:00:48 -0400 (EDT) From: sailoruranus@altavista.net sailoruranus@altavista.net Subject: [Psych3120] dark adaptation While I am an optician, and apply the prinicples of refraction and the biology of the eye to my everyday life, I had the pleasure of experiencing the concepts of dark adaptation last night. While driving up the canyon with my boyfriend last night I wasn't paying much attention to the stars. When we arrived at the top of the mountain and opened the sun roof I was greeted with an astonishly brilliant vision of the heavens. I had recently taken the same trip with one of my friends, but our view was marred by the full moon. What I saw when I first looked towards the sky was a clarity I have not experienced before. My eyes had been in the dark long enough to fully allow my sensitivity to light to take effect, and I could see more (dimly lit) stars than I had ever seen. In contrast to this, when we needed to illuminate the car -- and experienced the subsequent blinding -- my ability to see the most dimly lit stars was replaced with my regular ability to star-gaze. I also experimented with a red light in order to validate the scientific principle that our rods are incapable of registering red light, so their function is not inhibited. Even though I had a thorough knowledge of the eye's functioning, this was a new experience for me. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Get your free email from AltaVista at http://altavista.iname.com From becky@lumintech.com Mon, 4 Sep 2000 13:13:17 -0600 Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 13:13:17 -0600 From: Becky Alder becky@lumintech.com Subject: [Psych3120] A little confused Hey what password did you use to get into the reading materials? I keep getting a Java box asking for a password. Can you help? thanks Becky Alder ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike brooks" To: Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 10:53 AM Subject: [Psych3120] A little confused > I need to know how to go back in and use the "digest" version of the e-mail > posts, I don't want to read over 100 e-mails a day. I am also confused > about all of the readings, for example: the "visual system" reading is > broken down into 3 readings, are we expected to read them all as one or are > they listed separately? > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 From becky@lumintech.com Mon, 4 Sep 2000 13:15:56 -0600 Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 13:15:56 -0600 From: Becky Alder becky@lumintech.com Subject: [Psych3120] Color vision Were you able to get into the course readings? What did you use for the password? Thanks Becky Alder ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Doonan" To: Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 3:42 PM Subject: [Psych3120] Color vision > Has anybody read "The Case of the Colorblind Painter?" > I was wondering if anybody who is color blind, either > born that way or acquired it, could shed some personal > light on what it is like? My father was born color > blind, but it never bothered him because he didn't > know anything else. In fact he was so indifferent to > the fact that his own father still to this day > believes that he makes it up. Is it true that it is > inherited from your mother and that it is extremely > rare for women to have the disorder? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 From ilikeduplos@hotmail.com Mon, 04 Sep 2000 13:46:43 MDT Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 13:46:43 MDT From: Erica Fleming ilikeduplos@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) I thought it was really interesting that we don't just see from one part of the brain (like the visual cortex) but from many. I actually never knew that. I think the readings said like 36 areas are affected by our vision. Wow, that's alot! In the next readings, on color, I enjoyed the part that talked about why sometimes it's hard to distinguish between black and navy. This is my problem sometimes, you see a car and you think, that's black, no wait maybe it's dark navy. It seems like it would be an easy task to differentiate between two colors but apparently it's not that easy. The readings said that sometimes it's hard to choose which it is, black or navy because one reason could be that the reflectance of the blue is low (the lightness of the color makes it hard to detect the color). Also, the color can be too dark, which is when the mix up occurs (is it black or navy) I also think that it's really neat that when you look at a something blue for a while (stare at it) and then look to a white piece of paper, you will see the opposite color, Yellow. How does this happen? I still don't understand why. It is a little confusing because it is the complete opposite of blue so why do you not see blue? Anyone know? Erica _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jsd1022@yahoo.com Mon, 4 Sep 2000 13:22:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 13:22:50 -0700 (PDT) From: J Doonan jsd1022@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] A little confused Professor Strayer said the password was "open sesame," but I still had problems accessing the e-reserve readings so what I did was download them at the Marriott Library, you don't need the password there. --- Becky Alder wrote: > Hey what password did you use to get into the > reading materials? I keep > getting a Java box asking for a password. Can you > help? > thanks > > Becky Alder > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mike brooks" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 10:53 AM > Subject: [Psych3120] A little confused > > > > I need to know how to go back in and use the > "digest" version of the > e-mail > > posts, I don't want to read over 100 e-mails a > day. I am also confused > > about all of the readings, for example: the > "visual system" reading is > > broken down into 3 readings, are we expected to > read them all as one or > are > > they listed separately? > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own > public profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Psych3120 mailing list > > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From david.strayer@psych.utah.edu Mon, 04 Sep 2000 16:09:42 -0600 Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 16:09:42 -0600 From: David Strayer david.strayer@psych.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] Guest lecturer This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------3FFAFD1BA7868244C5951C11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a reminder that Dr. Sarah Creem will be guest lecturing this week on the neuropsychology of vision. Please give her a warm reception. --Dave --------------3FFAFD1BA7868244C5951C11 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="ds2144.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for David Strayer Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ds2144.vcf" begin:vcard n:Strayer;David tel;fax:(801) 581-5841 tel;home:(801) 364-0654 tel;work:(801) 581-5037 x-mozilla-html:TRUE adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:strayer@psych.utah.edu fn:Dave Strayer end:vcard --------------3FFAFD1BA7868244C5951C11-- From leximonroe@hotmail.com Mon, 04 Sep 2000 23:22:08 GMT Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 23:22:08 GMT From: Lexi Monroe leximonroe@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Lexi Monroe Psych 3120 When I think of Cognitive psychology, I think of learning. I found an interesting article in the USA Today on August 31. It was titled "Laptops are no longer a luxury for students". This brought to my attention that many schools now are requiring laptops in the classroom to increase learning. A school in New Hampshire had a rise in S.A.T. scores of 90 points since reequiring laptops. The issue is whether effective learning is achieived because of the attention and immediate feedback that a laptop provides or does it provide easier access to more material. Have we reached a point where real effective learning requires excitement? Can we not learn as effectively anymore in the schools through listenening and just taking notes? To me, what it comes down to is much of learning is dependent on the attention that one gives the learning material. So, laptops are going to tend to grab people's attention more effectively than listening and writing everything down. Are laptops more effective teachers than actual teachers? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Norrisrachel@aol.com Mon, 04 Sep 2000 19:26:39 EDT Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 19:26:39 EDT From: Norrisrachel@aol.com Norrisrachel@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] Color vision the password is open sesame From mismash1@hotmail.com Mon, 04 Sep 2000 19:22:22 MDT Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 19:22:22 MDT From: chris mismash mismash1@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Im sure this question has been asked and answered a 1000 times, but never to me. I have, in many a classes, been given the example of the man who was a nice steel worker, and then one day, whap! a metal pole through the middle of the head. From then on he had a whole new personality, and saw the world from what could truly be though of as new eyes. My question is this, im not so concerned if he has a sole, and if so why does the brain affect it... im much more interested in how much effect massive brain trauma can have on the congnitive process. If some one is brain damaged, do the actually, cognitivly, process the world different, or are they merely less able to express how they process it. If the latter, then why would their entire view points change. If the former, what parts of the body are the most influenced by physical trauma (not to mention emotional). Are their studies showing brain activity to lend to a conclusion, one way or the other? CM _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jjfoust@ix.netcom.com Mon, 04 Sep 2000 19:57:34 -0600 Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 19:57:34 -0600 From: Jaime C. Foust jjfoust@ix.netcom.com Subject: [Psych3120] Blind Spot I tried the blind spot experiment myself, as well as with a few family members and friends. It seems that everyone has always believed we are capable of seeing objects clearly from the sides of our eyes, and it was not until I tried this experiment with people they actually believed me when I told them they would not be able to clearly see the number and suit on the card until it was almost straight in front of them. It is interesting to think that it has taken me 22 years to figure that out! Jaime From jasonwlogsdon@hotmail.com Mon, 04 Sep 2000 20:14:22 MDT Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 20:14:22 MDT From: Jason Logsdon jasonwlogsdon@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) I believe that you see the opposite color because all of the blue pigment gets depleted, so when you look at white light, your eyes don't produce the blue, just the yellow. Jason From: "Erica Fleming" Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 13:46:43 MDT I thought it was really interesting that we don't just see from one part of the brain (like the visual cortex) but from many. I actually never knew that. I think the readings said like 36 areas are affected by our vision. Wow, that's alot! In the next readings, on color, I enjoyed the part that talked about why sometimes it's hard to distinguish between black and navy. This is my problem sometimes, you see a car and you think, that's black, no wait maybe it's dark navy. It seems like it would be an easy task to differentiate between two colors but apparently it's not that easy. The readings said that sometimes it's hard to choose which it is, black or navy because one reason could be that the reflectance of the blue is low (the lightness of the color makes it hard to detect the color). Also, the color can be too dark, which is when the mix up occurs (is it black or navy) I also think that it's really neat that when you look at a something blue for a while (stare at it) and then look to a white piece of paper, you will see the opposite color, Yellow. How does this happen? I still don't understand why. It is a little confusing because it is the complete opposite of blue so why do you not see blue? Anyone know? Erica _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jjfoust@ix.netcom.com Mon, 04 Sep 2000 20:21:00 -0600 Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 20:21:00 -0600 From: Jaime C. Foust jjfoust@ix.netcom.com Subject: [Psych3120] work tests I am just curious... I have never been given a colorblind test at a place of employment, nor can I see how that would have any relevance to the jobs I have worked at. What types of jobs would this be an critical and important factor? Kristin Ward kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Fri, 01 Sep 2000 18:22:49 -700 As far as I know, an employer is not allowed to discriminate on the basis of color vision (or anything else) for that matter unless it has a direct impact on job performance. I worked at the Department of Workforce Services for a while and I never had any difficulty in finding a job for someone who was colorblind. Kristin I have been reading many of the messages posted about color > blindness why people have it, why males have it more often > than females, and my question concerning colorblindness is: > Why is it important for employers to have there new hires > take color blindness tests? I can understand it maybe if > the person applying for the job is completely colorblind, > in that they only see black and white. But why does it > matter if you can determine between a dark navy blue and a > black. Is that really going to affect your job performance > that much? Anyone with answers to this question I would > really appreciate it. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From sweetfogs@hotmail.com Tue, 05 Sep 2000 03:11:35 GMT Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 03:11:35 GMT From: Jaimie Cogswell sweetfogs@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] work tests I would think that employers that might consider color blindness when looking at applicants would include those in the business of painting, interior design, fashion design, seamstress, etc. Correct color vision would be crucial in order to have things, say for instance, painted the right color (I guess you could always read the label) or when decorating a room in a specific color scheme. I'm sure that being color blind would be a huge challenge in these kinds of jobs. Does that make sense? It probably would have a direct impact on job performance, in these kinds of employment. I am just curious... I have never been given a colorblind test at a place of employment, nor can I see how that would have any relevance to the jobs I have worked at. What types of jobs would this be an critical and important factor? Kristin Ward kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Fri, 01 Sep 2000 18:22:49 -700 As far as I know, an employer is not allowed to discriminate on the basis of color vision (or anything else) for that matter unless it has a direct impact on job performance. I worked at the Department of Workforce Services for a while and I never had any difficulty in finding a job for someone who was colorblind. Kristin I have been reading many of the messages posted about color > blindness why people have it, why males have it more often > than females, and my question concerning colorblindness is: > Why is it important for employers to have there new hires > take color blindness tests? I can understand it maybe if > the person applying for the job is completely colorblind, > in that they only see black and white. But why does it > matter if you can determine between a dark navy blue and a > black. Is that really going to affect your job performance > that much? Anyone with answers to this question I would > really appreciate it. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From becky@lumintech.com Mon, 4 Sep 2000 21:22:32 -0600 Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 21:22:32 -0600 From: Becky Alder becky@lumintech.com Subject: [Psych3120] Vision This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C016B6.3CED56A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was just thinking about the whole tea cup lecture. It (simply = explained) is that you see the tea cup, then it turns upside down when = it hits your retina, then your brain turns it back to right-side-up. = How does the brain know that what it is seeing is really upside down and = that it needs to turn it right-side-up?=20 Thanks Becky=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C016B6.3CED56A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C016B6.3CED56A0-- From becky@lumintech.com Mon, 4 Sep 2000 21:24:25 -0600 Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 21:24:25 -0600 From: Becky Alder becky@lumintech.com Subject: [Psych3120] A little confused thank you !!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Doonan" To: Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [Psych3120] A little confused > Professor Strayer said the password was "open sesame," > but I still had problems accessing the e-reserve > readings so what I did was download them at the > Marriott Library, you don't need the password there. > > > > --- Becky Alder wrote: > > Hey what password did you use to get into the > > reading materials? I keep > > getting a Java box asking for a password. Can you > > help? > > thanks > > > > Becky Alder > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "mike brooks" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 10:53 AM > > Subject: [Psych3120] A little confused > > > > > > > I need to know how to go back in and use the > > "digest" version of the > > e-mail > > > posts, I don't want to read over 100 e-mails a > > day. I am also confused > > > about all of the readings, for example: the > > "visual system" reading is > > > broken down into 3 readings, are we expected to > > read them all as one or > > are > > > they listed separately? > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own > > public profile at > > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Psych3120 mailing list > > > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Psych3120 mailing list > > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 From rstormy@hotmail.com Mon, 04 Sep 2000 21:46:51 MDT Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 21:46:51 MDT From: randon storms rstormy@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Carolyn Storms Psych3120 My husband is color blind with regards to red and greens. Every time he approaches a traffic light, I get nervous. Even though he knows the configuration of the light, he does not have an automatic reaction. He has to slow down and think through the process of whether he can go or not. Also interesting, is that his 2 favorite colors are red and green. Although he doesn't see them as a trichromatic person does, he sees some kind of color. Red is especially his favorite. He says that there is a fuzzy glow that emanates from red. I wish I could see through his eyes for only a moment to understand what he sees. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From gsl9@hotmail.com Mon, 04 Sep 2000 21:54:42 MDT Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 21:54:42 MDT From: Greg Leigh gsl9@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] work tests I have never been given a colorblind test for employment either and, although I am colorblind, have never been affected by it in a job situation. I would agree that it could affect performance in areas of painting, etc but I wouldn't apply for a job such as that where my skills aren't in use either. Why make life harder on yourself? So, mandatory tests don't really make sense to me. I also wondered if staring into red for a while, then at a white surface makes it green has anything to do with the way some colorblind people mix up red and green. Also, do colorblind people tend to have problems seeing the dot pictures that jump out at you? I can see some, but really have a hard time with others, and I wondered if it has anything to do with colorblindness, and my not being able to make patterns out of certain color mixtures. Greg >From: "Jaimie Cogswell" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] work tests >Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 03:11:35 GMT > > > > >I would think that employers that might consider color blindness when >looking at applicants would include those in the business of painting, >interior design, fashion design, seamstress, etc. Correct color vision >would be crucial in order to have things, say for instance, painted the >right color (I guess you could always read the label) or when decorating a >room in a specific color scheme. I'm sure that being color blind would be >a >huge challenge in these kinds of jobs. Does that make sense? It probably >would have a direct impact on job performance, in these kinds of >employment. > > > > >I am just curious... > >I have never been given a colorblind test at a place of employment, nor >can I see how that would have any relevance to the jobs I have worked >at. What types of jobs would this be an critical and important factor? > > >Kristin Ward kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu >Fri, 01 Sep 2000 18:22:49 -700 > >As far as I know, an employer is not allowed to discriminate on the >basis of color vision (or anything else) for that matter unless it has >a direct impact on job performance. I worked at the Department of >Workforce Services for a while and I never had any difficulty in finding >a job for someone who was colorblind. > >Kristin > >I have been reading many of the messages posted about color > > blindness why people have it, why males have it more often > > than females, and my question concerning colorblindness is: > > Why is it important for employers to have there new hires > > take color blindness tests? I can understand it maybe if > > the person applying for the job is completely colorblind, > > in that they only see black and white. But why does it > > matter if you can determine between a dark navy blue and a > > black. Is that really going to affect your job performance > > that much? Anyone with answers to this question I would > > really appreciate it. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Psych3120 mailing list > > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From laurielallatin@hotmail.com Tue, 05 Sep 2000 02:11:45 GMT Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 02:11:45 GMT From: Laurie Lallatin laurielallatin@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] study guide 1 question: HELP Dr. Strayer describes a question as follows: A yellow butterfly that swoops by the left side of your head then lands on a green plant in front of you. Describe in detail how this information is processed by the visual system. I am having difficulty putting this into words. Can someone help me? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Tue, 05 Sep 2000 01:28:40 -700 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 01:28:40 -700 From: Kristin Ward kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] A little confused Hello, In order to use the digest version of the email posts, please go to the following URL: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options.cgi/psych3120/YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS!! (make sure to fill in your email address after the backslash at the end of this URL; I tried it without and there's no sign in or default setting so it won't work). This will take you to a page where you can change your list options. Click on the "On" button under the "Set Digest Mode" heading, enter your password at the bottom and click on the "Submit My Changes" button. In answer to your question about the readings, the assignment for "Matlin & Fowley, Chapter 3" refers to all 3 sections of the information about the visual system. My guess is that they are broken into parts to make them easier to download. If you have any further questions or concerns, please feel free to email me at kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu. Kristin I need to know how to go back in and use the "digest" version of the e-mail > posts, I don't want to read over 100 e-mails a day. I am also confused > about all of the readings, for example: the "visual system" reading is > broken down into 3 readings, are we expected to read them all as one or are > they listed separately? > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Tue, 05 Sep 2000 01:47:48 -700 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 01:47:48 -700 From: Kristin Ward kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] attention You may be able to find more information on selective attention by looking for information on The Cocktail Party Phenomenon. This is the name for the situation you described in which you are able to hear your name spoken, even when you are paying attention to something else. Kristin > Alan, > I just read chapter 3 in our textbook on accident, I don't read textbooks > for fun, I didn't notice our reading assignment this week was on the > Internet, but it was on attention and it was very interesting. It was about > research they did on Attention, where they had people listen to different > tapes in each ear and tell them to pay attention to one ear only. They came > up with all different results from different things that they did, but the > main thing I found fascinating, is that they found we pay attention to what > we are familiar with or peaks our interest. I may be simplifying but that > was the result of combining odd sentences that came in one ear and, the > similar idea ending in the second ear. The person listening, couldn't keep > their attention on the first ear. In other words, because the sentences > coming in the first ear didn't make sense unless you listened to the similar > ideas coming from the second ear, the person couldn't keep their focus. > That's why at a party, our attention to the person we are talking to changes > when we hear our name spoken across the room. > Is this clear as mud? > Madison McAllister > #00155404 > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Tue, 05 Sep 2000 01:51:21 -700 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 01:51:21 -700 From: Kristin Ward kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] work tests I have never been given one either. An earlier post mentioned that you are unable to be a pilot if you are colorblind. Perhaps other positions that involve extremely exacting sight require color vision as well. I am just curious... > > I have never been given a colorblind test at a place of employment, nor > can I see how that would have any relevance to the jobs I have worked > at. What types of jobs would this be an critical and important factor? > > > Kristin Ward kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu > Fri, 01 Sep 2000 18:22:49 -700 > > As far as I know, an employer is not allowed to discriminate on the > basis of color vision (or anything else) for that matter unless it has > a direct impact on job performance. I worked at the Department of > Workforce Services for a while and I never had any difficulty in finding > a job for someone who was colorblind. > > Kristin > > I have been reading many of the messages posted about color > > blindness why people have it, why males have it more often > > than females, and my question concerning colorblindness is: > > Why is it important for employers to have there new hires > > take color blindness tests? I can understand it maybe if > > the person applying for the job is completely colorblind, > > in that they only see black and white. But why does it > > matter if you can determine between a dark navy blue and a > > black. Is that really going to affect your job performance > > that much? Anyone with answers to this question I would > > really appreciate it. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Psych3120 mailing list > > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From mikebaker13@yahoo.com Tue, 5 Sep 2000 09:21:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 09:21:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Baker mikebaker13@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] Vision??? What is it really? Wow, reading these last few readings have really taught me a lot about what I am seeing, but I am a little confused about something? If anyone can help I'd really appreciate it. So everything that we see is just the effects of electromagnetic reactions right? So is color a physical thing or just a perception? If I toch a blue shirt am I in reality just touching some blank material and I only think or perceieve that I am touching something that is blue?? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From falsecents@hotmail.com Tue, 05 Sep 2000 18:04:07 GMT Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 18:04:07 GMT From: F.C.S. S.L.C. falsecents@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Achromatopsia If someone has a brain injury and becomes colorblind (like the colorblind painter), will they still be able to see color in their dreams, memories. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From lauraebarron@hotmail.com Tue, 05 Sep 2000 12:33:02 MDT Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 12:33:02 MDT From: laura barron lauraebarron@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] color blind i have a friend that is color blind, but cna't see any difference between blue and purple. are the blue cones missing that cause the vision problem? -laura barron 00037675 From: "F.C.S. S.L.C." Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] Achromatopsia Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 18:04:07 GMT If someone has a brain injury and becomes colorblind (like the colorblind painter), will they still be able to see color in their dreams, memories. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kvrennie@hotmail.com Tue, 05 Sep 2000 12:50:53 MDT Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 12:50:53 MDT From: Kelly Rennie kvrennie@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] color blind Can Your friend still see reds? If so, then the red component of the purple color is intact and it would, by default, have to be the blue cones that were missing. I have a question, if anyone is familiar with genetics. Could the red/green color blindness be the most common of the deficiencies due to probability? What I mean is, there are only three kinds of cones, and either one of two of those cones needs to be affected for red/green color blindness, which would give a 2/3 chance of color blindness, if you were just randomly choosing cones. Does that make sense? Any comments? >From: "laura barron" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] color blind >Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 12:33:02 MDT > >i have a friend that is color blind, but cna't see any difference between >blue and purple. are the blue cones missing that cause the vision problem? > >-laura barron 00037675 > > >From: "F.C.S. S.L.C." >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] Achromatopsia >Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 18:04:07 GMT > >If someone has a brain injury and becomes colorblind (like the colorblind >painter), will they still be able to see color in their dreams, memories. >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From mobiaz@excite.com Tue, 5 Sep 2000 12:12:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 12:12:01 -0700 (PDT) From: mobiaz@excite.com mobiaz@excite.com Subject: [Psych3120] work tests I agree that it isn't necessary to give potential employees color blind tests unless perception of color is a vital part of the job. It would prove to be otherwise a waste of time for the companies that the test would be irrelevant to and might raise issues of discrimination of individuals on these grounds. Thus I think that it isn't really necessary and by implementing these tests it will serve to potentially create more problems than it might solve. Tyler Burnett _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:16:16 -0600 Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:16:16 -0600 From: Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com Subject: [Psych3120] Nonspectral hues In the readings for this week, nonspectral hues are colors that cannot be described in terms of a single wavelength from a part of a spectrum. Instead, these hues are produced by combining other hues. Purple is a combination of blue and red. Similarly, studies show that when asked to choose one hue as the best example of red, people choose a red that contains a little touch of blue. I have just recently painted my living room orange, yet when people come to visit, they call it yellow? Is this an example of nonspectral hues? or is it based on people's perception of what they see? Why are we not all able to see the same color? Leonard Cancel #00180520 From alexispaulos@hotmail.com Tue, 05 Sep 2000 14:17:40 MDT Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 14:17:40 MDT From: Alexis Paulos alexispaulos@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] laser surgery About six months ago my mom had laser eye surgery. This surgery allowed for her vision to be corrected at long distances. However, after having the surgery she is now unable to see close up. Her whole perception has changed. She has had to "relearn" tasks that require close up vision, as well as replace her old glasses with reading glasses to aid her in seeing these small tasks. For a little while after the surgery she had headaches and felt generally disoriented. She now has become use to the changes but some days her vision goes cloudy and other days she can see relatively well close up and faraway My question is. . .is this normal for laser eye surgery? And if so why is this corrective surgery so inconsistent? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com Tue, 5 Sep 2000 15:09:55 -0600 Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 15:09:55 -0600 From: Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com Subject: [Psych3120] Vision??? What is it really? This is a great question! Based on the readings, Preceptual Properties of Color (Hue, Saturation, Lightness and Brightness), these 3 primary and interacting dimensions combine to define our "perception" of color. Are we really seeing the actual color of that object? >---------- >From: Mike Baker[SMTP:mikebaker13@yahoo.com] >Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 10:21 AM >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] Vision??? What is it really? > >Wow, reading these last few readings have really >taught me a lot about what I am seeing, but I am a >little confused about something? If anyone can help >I'd really appreciate it. >So everything that we see is just the effects of >electromagnetic reactions right? So is color a >physical thing or just a perception? If I toch a blue >shirt am I in reality just touching some blank >material and I only think or perceieve that I am >touching something that is blue?? > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! >http://mail.yahoo.com/ > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From CatherineW123@aol.com Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:25:58 EDT Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:25:58 EDT From: CatherineW123@aol.com CatherineW123@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] Achromatopsia From CatherineW123@aol.com Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:27:18 EDT Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:27:18 EDT From: CatherineW123@aol.com CatherineW123@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] Achromatopsia Ooopppss my computer sent a half finished message. Anyways, I think the guest speaker talked about that today. I think she said that people can remember and imagine colors for a while after the accident, but then the memories began to fade. I think it could be different with each individual though. From CatherineW123@aol.com Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:29:31 EDT Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:29:31 EDT From: CatherineW123@aol.com CatherineW123@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] work tests I worked in retail for a long time and did display's for store windows and I never was given a color blindness test. I also had a friend who was colorblind and he never realized it until he was older and started to think that maybe he was seeing things different from other people. From cgshupe@hotmail.com Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:16:56 -0600 Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:16:56 -0600 From: Casey Shupe cgshupe@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] 3120 lasik answer, Casey Shupe This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C0175D.17AD3AC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable About a week ago there was a post asking how successful the lasik = procedures have been my uncle just recently underwent this procedure = within the last month and this question was asked in the literature they = gave him.=20 How effective is LASIK or laser eye surgery for the correction of = nearsightedness? What are the risks?=20 Laser vision correction today is a very effective procedure for reducing = myopia (nearsightedness). It is estimated that over 800,000 people will = have laser vision correction in the United States during 1999. There are = two main procedures: PRK and LASIK. Both use a cool laser beam that = reshapes the surface of the eye. Both take approximately 10 minutes per = eye and are generally safe procedures, but like any surgical procedure, = they both involve risks.=20 PRK stands for photo refractive keratectomy. This procedure uses an = excimer laser to precisely reshape the surface of the cornea (the = transparent, dome-shaped lens on the front of the eye). Since people who = are nearsighted generally have steep corneas, the laser flattens the = cornea, changing the angle of the lens to reduce or eliminate the = myopia. Vision slowly improves over three to four days.=20 LASIK stands for laser-assisted in-situ keratomileusis. This surgery = begins by making a flap in the cornea. The thin corneal flap is opened = to reveal the "bed" of the cornea. The excimer laser than reshapes the = corneal bed, and the flap is brought back into place. The flap seals = down tightly without the need for stitches. Although the eye may feel = scratchy over the first few hours after LASIK, patients generally do not = complain of any further discomfort. Recovery time is faster than with = PRK.=20 These two approaches produce similar results at three months and one = year after surgery. Ninety-five percent of patients end up able to drive = a car legally without glasses (20/40 vision), and 65-75 percent of = patients gain even better improvement, to 20/20 vision.=20 Laser vision correction does have risks. Many patients will develop a = "dry eye" condition that lasts weeks or months. The symptoms of dry eye = include a scratchy feeling and mild blurring of vision. Dry eye is = easily treated with artificial tears, and it improves over time. A small = percentage of patients report a more bothersome condition -- a worsening = of vision as well as ghosting or glare symptoms while driving at night. = Most of these symptoms will gradually fade over many months, but some = patients will have permanent changes in their vision. The most serious = complication is fortunately the most uncommon -- infection or severe = inflammation of the cornea. Both the infection and inflammation are = treatable, but some patients experience permanent loss of vision.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C0175D.17AD3AC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

About a week ago there was a post asking how successful the lasik = procedures=20 have been my uncle just recently underwent this procedure within the = last month=20 and this question was asked in the literature they gave him.

 

How effective is LASIK or laser eye surgery for the correction of=20 nearsightedness? What are the risks?

Laser vision correction today is a very effective = procedure=20 for reducing myopia (nearsightedness). It is estimated that over 800,000 = people=20 will have laser vision correction in the United States during 1999. = There are=20 two main procedures: PRK and LASIK. Both use a cool laser beam that = reshapes the=20 surface of the eye. Both take approximately 10 minutes per eye and are = generally=20 safe procedures, but like any surgical procedure, they both involve = risks.=20

PRK stands for photo refractive keratectomy. This = procedure=20 uses an excimer laser to precisely reshape the surface of the cornea = (the=20 transparent, dome-shaped lens on the front of the eye). Since people who = are=20 nearsighted generally have steep corneas, the laser flattens the cornea, = changing the angle of the lens to reduce or eliminate the myopia. Vision = slowly=20 improves over three to four days.

LASIK stands for laser-assisted in-situ = keratomileusis. This=20 surgery begins by making a flap in the cornea. The thin corneal flap is = opened=20 to reveal the "bed" of the cornea. The excimer laser than reshapes the = corneal=20 bed, and the flap is brought back into place. The flap seals down = tightly=20 without the need for stitches. Although the eye may feel scratchy over = the first=20 few hours after LASIK, patients generally do not complain of any further = discomfort. Recovery time is faster than with PRK.

These two approaches produce similar results at = three months=20 and one year after surgery. Ninety-five percent of patients end up able = to drive=20 a car legally without glasses (20/40 vision), and 65-75 percent of = patients gain=20 even better improvement, to 20/20 vision.

Laser vision correction does have risks. Many = patients will=20 develop a "dry eye" condition that lasts weeks or months. The symptoms = of dry=20 eye include a scratchy feeling and mild blurring of vision. Dry eye is = easily=20 treated with artificial tears, and it improves over time. A small = percentage of=20 patients report a more bothersome condition -- a worsening of vision as = well as=20 ghosting or glare symptoms while driving at night. Most of these = symptoms will=20 gradually fade over many months, but some patients will have permanent = changes=20 in their vision. The most serious complication is fortunately the most = uncommon=20 -- infection or severe inflammation of the cornea. Both the infection = and=20 inflammation are treatable, but some patients experience permanent loss = of=20 vision.

------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C0175D.17AD3AC0-- From listonbr@yahoo.com Tue, 5 Sep 2000 16:15:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 16:15:44 -0700 (PDT) From: s.brandon liston listonbr@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] color blind world After the class on colorblindness I developed some pretty interesting thoughts. First I began to wonder how hard it must be to do the simplest of tasks, such as looking at a computer screen. It must be so tedious and plain. I decided to see what was out there for people with this problem. One of the most interesting sites while I was searching, is called WHAT COLOR. The purpose of this site, is to make the colorblind no longer colorblind. You can subscribe to this, WHAT COLOR, identifies a color of the pixel on the screen of your PC, What color not only tells you the RGB values, but also the name of the color of the point. ZDNet rated it 4 stars and the same with YIPPEE. I find this very interesting, the site was created by someone that has first hand experience with this. 00154324 Liston __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cgshupe@hotmail.com Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:30:25 -0600 Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:30:25 -0600 From: Casey Shupe cgshupe@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] achromatopsia {3120} Casey Shupe This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C0175E.FA2B99E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The disorder also illustrates quite nicely the problem of different = minds. We cannot know what it is like to have achromatopia, and neither = can individuals afflicted with achromatopia know what it is like to live = in a world of colors. In some information I have looked at on the web = say that even those who are achromatic who arrived at the condition = through accident or disease cannot know what it is like to see in = color.(IS this true?) If it was then it would seem that the ways in = which we perceive the world are connected with the ways in which we = remember it. This makes memory more than a passive reviewing of stored = information, and more of a phenomenal reconstruction.=20 It would be interesting to determine what the extent of the similarities = between congenital and accidental cases is. In accidental cases = involving neural damage, information is still being passed to the brain = that isn't getting there in congenital cases. An analysis of the = different capabilities of congenital and accidental (neurological) = achromatopia could provide insight into what role, if any, that = information plays - beyond constructing our color consciousness. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C0175E.FA2B99E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The disorder also illustrates quite nicely the problem = of different=20 minds. We cannot know what it is like to have achromatopia, and neither = can=20 individuals afflicted with achromatopia know what it is like to live in = a world=20 of colors. In some information I have looked at on the web say that even = those=20 who are achromatic who arrived at the condition through accident or = disease=20 cannot know what it is like to see in color.(IS this true?) If it was = then it=20 would seem that the ways in which we perceive the world are connected = with the=20 ways in which we remember it. This makes memory more than a passive = reviewing of=20 stored information, and more of a phenomenal reconstruction.

It would be interesting to determine what the extent of the = similarities=20 between congenital and accidental cases is. In accidental cases = involving neural=20 damage, information is still being passed to the brain that isn't = getting there=20 in congenital cases. An analysis of the different capabilities of = congenital and=20 accidental (neurological) achromatopia could provide insight into what = role, if=20 any, that information plays - beyond constructing our color=20 consciousness.

------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C0175E.FA2B99E0-- From artemishae@yahoo.com Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:03:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:03:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Kelly Symes artemishae@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) That guy was named funius Gage and he acted differently because the rod gave him a frontal lobotomy so he no longer had the decision process before he acted. His emotions were truley unleashed. I don't know that he necessarily saws the world any different, unless maybe people acted differently towards him because of it and that cause him to see his environment and self-worth differently --- chris mismash wrote: > Im sure this question has been asked and answered a > 1000 times, but never to > me. I have, in many a classes, been given the > example of the man who was a > nice steel worker, and then one day, whap! a metal > pole through the middle > of the head. From then on he had a whole new > personality, and saw the world > from what could truly be though of as new eyes. My > question is this, im not > so concerned if he has a sole, and if so why does > the brain affect it... im > much more interested in how much effect massive > brain trauma can have on the > congnitive process. If some one is brain damaged, > do the actually, > cognitivly, process the world different, or are they > merely less able to > express how they process it. If the latter, then > why would their entire > view points change. If the former, what parts of > the body are the most > influenced by physical trauma (not to mention > emotional). Are their > studies showing brain activity to lend to a > conclusion, one way or the > other? > CM > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own > public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From artemishae@yahoo.com Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:06:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:06:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Kelly Symes artemishae@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) I do like laptops and I think that they might be a good idea, but then you get into the economic issues, and what people want to pay attention to. I don't think that a computer should ever take the place of a teacher though. Why wouldn't somebody just take internet classes or learn on their own? --- Lexi Monroe wrote: > Lexi Monroe > Psych 3120 > > When I think of Cognitive psychology, I think of > learning. I found an > interesting article in the USA Today on August 31. > It was titled "Laptops > are no longer a luxury for students". This brought > to my attention that > many schools now are requiring laptops in the > classroom to increase > learning. A school in New Hampshire had a rise in > S.A.T. scores of 90 > points since reequiring laptops. The issue is > whether effective learning is > achieived because of the attention and immediate > feedback that a laptop > provides or does it provide easier access to more > material. Have we reached > a point where real effective learning requires > excitement? Can we not learn > as effectively anymore in the schools through > listenening and just taking > notes? To me, what it comes down to is much of > learning is dependent on the > attention that one gives the learning material. So, > laptops are going to > tend to grab people's attention more effectively > than listening and writing > everything down. Are laptops more effective > teachers than actual teachers? > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own > public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From artemishae@yahoo.com Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:06:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:06:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Kelly Symes artemishae@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] A little confused Did you click on the reserved reading button again, after entering the password? --- J Doonan wrote: > Professor Strayer said the password was "open > sesame," > but I still had problems accessing the e-reserve > readings so what I did was download them at the > Marriott Library, you don't need the password there. > > > > --- Becky Alder wrote: > > Hey what password did you use to get into the > > reading materials? I keep > > getting a Java box asking for a password. Can you > > help? > > thanks > > > > Becky Alder > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "mike brooks" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 10:53 AM > > Subject: [Psych3120] A little confused > > > > > > > I need to know how to go back in and use the > > "digest" version of the > > e-mail > > > posts, I don't want to read over 100 e-mails a > > day. I am also confused > > > about all of the readings, for example: the > > "visual system" reading is > > > broken down into 3 readings, are we expected to > > read them all as one or > > are > > > they listed separately? > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail > at > > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > Share information about yourself, create your > own > > public profile at > > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Psych3120 mailing list > > > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Psych3120 mailing list > > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from > anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From viper@xmission.com Tue, 05 Sep 2000 19:03:52 -0600 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 19:03:52 -0600 From: Corey Raemer viper@xmission.com Subject: [Psych3120] Finius Cage When the railroad spike passed through Finius Cage it severed the connection between his limbic system and his prefrontal cortex. The spike passed through at about his cheek area and came out on top of his head. (the smithsonian has his skull and the spike) It was unfortunate for him but for science he was a walking model of what happens when the prefrontal cortex is not functioning properly in everyday life. The limbic system is a area of the brain which is very old and is not much more evolved than that of a lizard brain. What scientist learned from Cage was that the prefrontal cortex controls our impulses. Without this control the simplist thing would upset cage or cause him to go into a rage which he never used to do. The limbic system would send out signals of emotional rage and anger and Cage had no logic in whether or not to act on these impulses so he suffered from emotional outbursts which were not logical. I saw a documentry on current research which is being done to determine the functioning of the prefrontal cortex in murderers and serial killers. What they have found from MRI and other scans is that people who are convicted killers seem to have lower activity in their prefrontal cortical regions. Without its control telling the Limbic systems impulses "No" these impulses are more easily acted upon. There has also been research done on young kids in early teen years to determine the level of there prefrontal cortical functions and they have found that this region is still developing into teen years. This may explain the impulsivity of teenagers to engage in certain activities which are unsafe or dangerous to themselves or others. From gsl9@hotmail.com Tue, 05 Sep 2000 19:11:37 MDT Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 19:11:37 MDT From: Greg Leigh gsl9@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] color blind As far as being colorblind, I have been tested as red/green colorblind and/or all colors, all hues colorblind (I'm not quite sure which is more accurate, it's been a while), but I can't see the difference between blue and purple either. Keep in mind, however, that just because someone is red/green colorblind, doesn't mean that they don't have problems with other colors. In fact, I can see a basic red and a basic green. I only have problems when colors are close in shade to other colors. The only color I can't see is purple. It looks blue to me as well. Also, as far as what I know from genetics, and I could be wrong, since colorblindness is a disorder passed from grandfather through the mother to the son (on the X chromosome), the recipient will get whatever disorder the grandfather had. So, it would seem to me that the absence of either of the red or green cones (which lead to red/green colorblindness) are either dominant or more frequently passed on. It would seem possible, though unlikely, that if people with that disorder didn't have any kids, and those who had an absence of the blue cone passed it on more, it would be more common. I would think that because the absence of either of the first two lead to the colorblindness, that particular disorder becomes more commonly passed along, but not necessarily by probability. In other words, there probably isn't an even distribution of colorblindness with respect to the three cones to make a probability statement, or whatever caused the disorder in the first place affected the other two more often. Does that make any sense? Greg >From: "Kelly Rennie" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] color blind >Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 12:50:53 MDT > >Can Your friend still see reds? If so, then the red component of the >purple >color is intact and it would, by default, have to be the blue cones that >were missing. > >I have a question, if anyone is familiar with genetics. Could the >red/green >color blindness be the most common of the deficiencies due to probability? >What I mean is, there are only three kinds of cones, and either one of two >of those cones needs to be affected for red/green color blindness, which >would give a 2/3 chance of color blindness, if you were just randomly >choosing cones. Does that make sense? Any comments? > > >>From: "laura barron" >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>Subject: [Psych3120] color blind >>Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 12:33:02 MDT >> >>i have a friend that is color blind, but cna't see any difference between >>blue and purple. are the blue cones missing that cause the vision >>problem? >> >>-laura barron 00037675 >> >> >>From: "F.C.S. S.L.C." >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>Subject: [Psych3120] Achromatopsia >>Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 18:04:07 GMT >> >>If someone has a brain injury and becomes colorblind (like the colorblind >>painter), will they still be able to see color in their dreams, memories. >>_________________________________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >> >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>http://profiles.msn.com. >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Psych3120 mailing list >>Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 >> >>_________________________________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >> >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>http://profiles.msn.com. >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Psych3120 mailing list >>Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From rlovat2@hotmail.com Wed, 06 Sep 2000 03:47:39 GMT Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 03:47:39 GMT From: Rachel Marie Lovato rlovat2@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] laser surgery This is in response to Alexis's question regarding lasik surgery. I had an eye appointment last month and out of curiosity I asked my doctor about lasik surgery. He was very open and honest about the whole procedure. He told me that someone at my age (22) would be the perfect candidate because I would get the benefits of the surgery for a long amount of time. He explained to me however that I would be able to see far-away for a long time but eventually I would have trouble seeing close-up. It was something about your eyes losing their flexibility. I am not sure if he meant because of the surgery, or if he meant due to the aging process. He described many of the symptoms that you (Alexis) described below happening once reaching a certain age. Now my doctor doesn't do the process, but he does refer people to certain doctors. He has said that he has seen very few side-effects and most people come out with better than 20/20 vision, a miracle in his opinion--but it wouldn't stop the eventual loss of vision. That is why at 22 I would benefit because I would be glasses free for many years. I hope this answers your questions. Rachel Lovato ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Alexis Paulos" Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] laser surgery Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 14:17:40 MDT About six months ago my mom had laser eye surgery. This surgery allowed for her vision to be corrected at long distances. However, after having the surgery she is now unable to see close up. Her whole perception has changed. She has had to "relearn" tasks that require close up vision, as well as replace her old glasses with reading glasses to aid her in seeing these small tasks. For a little while after the surgery she had headaches and felt generally disoriented. She now has become use to the changes but some days her vision goes cloudy and other days she can see relatively well close up and faraway My question is. . .is this normal for laser eye surgery? And if so why is this corrective surgery so inconsistent? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From rlovat2@hotmail.com Wed, 06 Sep 2000 04:08:55 GMT Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 04:08:55 GMT From: Rachel Marie Lovato rlovat2@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] color blind This is in response to Greg's posting about color blindness. My husbands brother is colorblind. We are all great friends and we get together a lot. One of our favorite activities is playing a Nintendo game called Mario Party, anyway it is quite humorous to me because he is red/green colorblind and he has trouble distinguishing between Mario who is red, and Luigi who is green. There are many boards that depend on color that he struggles with those as well. He is quite a good sport about it all, and he usually ends up winning anyway..but we enjoy giving him a hard time about it. (His mother's father is colorblind and that is where he probably inherited it.) He does have a problem with some purples as well--they look blue to him and consequentially he sometimes needs help dressing, because he sometimes can't tell when things match or not. He will sometimes argue about what color something is..and I can't even imagine not being able to see the full spectrum....just one of those things that we take for granted. Rachel Lovato ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Greg Leigh" Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: Re: [Psych3120] color blind Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 19:11:37 MDT As far as being colorblind, I have been tested as red/green colorblind and/or all colors, all hues colorblind (I'm not quite sure which is more accurate, it's been a while), but I can't see the difference between blue and purple either. Keep in mind, however, that just because someone is red/green colorblind, doesn't mean that they don't have problems with other colors. In fact, I can see a basic red and a basic green. I only have problems when colors are close in shade to other colors. The only color I can't see is purple. It looks blue to me as well. Also, as far as what I know from genetics, and I could be wrong, since colorblindness is a disorder passed from grandfather through the mother to the son (on the X chromosome), the recipient will get whatever disorder the grandfather had. So, it would seem to me that the absence of either of the red or green cones (which lead to red/green colorblindness) are either dominant or more frequently passed on. It would seem possible, though unlikely, that if people with that disorder didn't have any kids, and those who had an absence of the blue cone passed it on more, it would be more common. I would think that because the absence of either of the first two lead to the colorblindness, that particular disorder becomes more commonly passed along, but not necessarily by probability. In other words, there probably isn't an even distribution of colorblindness with respect to the three cones to make a probability statement, or whatever caused the disorder in the first place affected the other two more often. Does that make any sense? Greg >From: "Kelly Rennie" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] color blind >Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 12:50:53 MDT > >Can Your friend still see reds? If so, then the red component of the >purple >color is intact and it would, by default, have to be the blue cones that >were missing. > >I have a question, if anyone is familiar with genetics. Could the >red/green >color blindness be the most common of the deficiencies due to probability? >What I mean is, there are only three kinds of cones, and either one of two >of those cones needs to be affected for red/green color blindness, which >would give a 2/3 chance of color blindness, if you were just randomly >choosing cones. Does that make sense? Any comments? > > >>From: "laura barron" >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>Subject: [Psych3120] color blind >>Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 12:33:02 MDT >> >>i have a friend that is color blind, but cna't see any difference between >>blue and purple. are the blue cones missing that cause the vision >>problem? >> >>-laura barron 00037675 >> >> >>From: "F.C.S. S.L.C." >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>Subject: [Psych3120] Achromatopsia >>Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 18:04:07 GMT >> >>If someone has a brain injury and becomes colorblind (like the colorblind >>painter), will they still be able to see color in their dreams, memories. >>_________________________________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >> >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>http://profiles.msn.com. >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Psych3120 mailing list >>Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 >> >>_________________________________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >> >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>http://profiles.msn.com. >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Psych3120 mailing list >>Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jjfoust@ix.netcom.com Tue, 05 Sep 2000 22:16:57 -0600 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 22:16:57 -0600 From: Jaime C. Foust jjfoust@ix.netcom.com Subject: [Psych3120] Laptop Computers While laptop computers may make taking notes in class easier, aid in research, and perhaps extend learning beyond what is taught inside the classroom, I do not feel they can successfully replace the one-on-one interaction between teachers and students. Laptops should not be required, because in a sense, you are trying to replace teaching and preparing lessons, and students who cannot afford to acquire a laptop may be excluded from a class. Jaime Foust Kelly Symes artemishae@yahoo.com Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:06:03 -0700 (PDT) I do like laptops and I think that they might be a good idea, but then you get into the economic issues, and what people want to pay attention to. I don't think that a computer should ever take the place of a teacher though. Why wouldn't somebody just take internet classes or learn on their own? --- Lexi Monroe wrote: > Lexi Monroe > Psych 3120 > > When I think of Cognitive psychology, I think of > learning. I found an > interesting article in the USA Today on August 31. > It was titled "Laptops > are no longer a luxury for students". This brought > to my attention that > many schools now are requiring laptops in the > classroom to increase > learning. A school in New Hampshire had a rise in > S.A.T. scores of 90 > points since reequiring laptops. The issue is > whether effective learning is > achieived because of the attention and immediate > feedback that a laptop > provides or does it provide easier access to more > material. Have we reached > a point where real effective learning requires > excitement? Can we not learn > as effectively anymore in the schools through > listenening and just taking > notes? To me, what it comes down to is much of > learning is dependent on the > attention that one gives the learning material. So, > laptops are going to > tend to grab people's attention more effectively > than listening and writing > everything down. Are laptops more effective > teachers than actual teachers? From rlovat2@hotmail.com Wed, 06 Sep 2000 04:17:03 GMT Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 04:17:03 GMT From: Rachel Marie Lovato rlovat2@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) This is in response to Kelly's message: I just have to throw my 2 cents in about internet classes. This semester I am taking my second internet class and I really enjoy them. I would take more classes online if I could. I enjoy these classes because I can do the work when it is convenient for me, if I get tired--I can stop when I am ready. I can contact the teacher easily through e-mail if I have any questions or comments..to me they are more accessible then other teachers that I have had. Both of these classes have interesting "online" chats and easy to follow outlines to aid in learning. I am not saying that laptops should replace teachers because these classes are successful due to the teachers behind them. Rachel Lovato ----Original Message Follows---- From: Kelly Symes Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: Re: [Psych3120] (no subject) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:06:03 -0700 (PDT) I do like laptops and I think that they might be a good idea, but then you get into the economic issues, and what people want to pay attention to. I don't think that a computer should ever take the place of a teacher though. Why wouldn't somebody just take internet classes or learn on their own? --- Lexi Monroe wrote: > Lexi Monroe > Psych 3120 > > When I think of Cognitive psychology, I think of > learning. I found an > interesting article in the USA Today on August 31. > It was titled "Laptops > are no longer a luxury for students". This brought > to my attention that > many schools now are requiring laptops in the > classroom to increase > learning. A school in New Hampshire had a rise in > S.A.T. scores of 90 > points since reequiring laptops. The issue is > whether effective learning is > achieived because of the attention and immediate > feedback that a laptop > provides or does it provide easier access to more > material. Have we reached > a point where real effective learning requires > excitement? Can we not learn > as effectively anymore in the schools through > listenening and just taking > notes? To me, what it comes down to is much of > learning is dependent on the > attention that one gives the learning material. So, > laptops are going to > tend to grab people's attention more effectively > than listening and writing > everything down. Are laptops more effective > teachers than actual teachers? > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own > public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From GloriaR@vmh.com Tue, 5 Sep 2000 22:39:09 -0600 Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 22:39:09 -0600 From: Gloria Ruiz GloriaR@vmh.com Subject: [Psych3120] Achromatopsia I agreed with you but she did not mentioned anything about dreaming. When you are dreaming you are not really consciously remembering, are you? I will like some opinions...Gloria Ruiz -----Original Message----- From: CatherineW123@aol.com [mailto:CatherineW123@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday September 05, 2000 4:27 PM To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Achromatopsia Ooopppss my computer sent a half finished message. Anyways, I think the guest speaker talked about that today. I think she said that people can remember and imagine colors for a while after the accident, but then the memories began to fade. I think it could be different with each individual though. _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 From stephenmadsen@hotmail.com Wed, 06 Sep 2000 04:42:36 GMT Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 04:42:36 GMT From: stephen madsen stephenmadsen@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] black nights in white satin The question of what really is the color of an object is very interesting indeed. All matter is made up of atoms, molecules, etc. Does matter even have a color or is all of it just a result of this bending of light to produce hues and "color". Another thought I have is why do we not see more of the spectrum. It is as if in the evolution of things we picked this small slice of the spectrum versus another. Why? Could it be that if we really did take in more and had less of a filtration system that our brains could not process all of the information. Any thoughts on this? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From GloriaR@vmh.com Tue, 5 Sep 2000 22:47:10 -0600 Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 22:47:10 -0600 From: Gloria Ruiz GloriaR@vmh.com Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) As for me this is my first time, I haven't be at school in the last two years. All this is pretty new to me. I am really confused and it is kind of difficult to get use to this new era of technology, I like talking to the teacher face to face, but at the same time we need to go on otherwise we are left behind. I am getting use to these classes on line, and if I am honest I am kind of enjoying it!!Gloria Ruiz -----Original Message----- From: Rachel Marie Lovato [mailto:rlovat2@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday September 05, 2000 10:17 PM To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: Re: [Psych3120] (no subject) This is in response to Kelly's message: I just have to throw my 2 cents in about internet classes. This semester I am taking my second internet class and I really enjoy them. I would take more classes online if I could. I enjoy these classes because I can do the work when it is convenient for me, if I get tired--I can stop when I am ready. I can contact the teacher easily through e-mail if I have any questions or comments..to me they are more accessible then other teachers that I have had. Both of these classes have interesting "online" chats and easy to follow outlines to aid in learning. I am not saying that laptops should replace teachers because these classes are successful due to the teachers behind them. Rachel Lovato ----Original Message Follows---- From: Kelly Symes Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: Re: [Psych3120] (no subject) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:06:03 -0700 (PDT) I do like laptops and I think that they might be a good idea, but then you get into the economic issues, and what people want to pay attention to. I don't think that a computer should ever take the place of a teacher though. Why wouldn't somebody just take internet classes or learn on their own? --- Lexi Monroe wrote: > Lexi Monroe > Psych 3120 > > When I think of Cognitive psychology, I think of > learning. I found an > interesting article in the USA Today on August 31. > It was titled "Laptops > are no longer a luxury for students". This brought > to my attention that > many schools now are requiring laptops in the > classroom to increase > learning. A school in New Hampshire had a rise in > S.A.T. scores of 90 > points since reequiring laptops. The issue is > whether effective learning is > achieived because of the attention and immediate > feedback that a laptop > provides or does it provide easier access to more > material. Have we reached > a point where real effective learning requires > excitement? Can we not learn > as effectively anymore in the schools through > listenening and just taking > notes? To me, what it comes down to is much of > learning is dependent on the > attention that one gives the learning material. So, > laptops are going to > tend to grab people's attention more effectively > than listening and writing > everything down. Are laptops more effective > teachers than actual teachers? > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own > public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 From kwan_carrie@hotmail.com Wed, 06 Sep 2000 00:10:36 MDT Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 00:10:36 MDT From: Carrie Kwan kwan_carrie@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] color vision The lecture in class today was most interesting. Learning about color vision is fascinating, exciting, and scary at the same time. Although cases like Mr. I are rare. It is scary to think that a minor accident can render a person colorless in their vision. Some questions I have as I read "The Case of the Colorblind Painter," are what other explainations are there for Mr. I's increased sharpess of focus and night vision? If Mr. I went to the hospital and stayed there after his accident, under careful monitoring, could it have been possible for doctors to physically see the changes in his brain? Although Mr. I came out of the situation with a new perspective of the world and thinks of his experience a strange gift, I still wonder what if he was stablized physically after the accident insteading of moving around as usual, if that would have prevented his lost of color vision. I wonder about that because I hear stories about people who proceed on moving after an accident without knowing they are injured. In one case, a man turned around casually and broke his neck and died. He may have survived if he stayed still and received medical attention but since he didn't know any better, he moved when he shouldn't have, and it costed his life. These are just some of my questions, I know there are no definite answers to many of them at this point, but I still wonder. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From garffdog@hotmail.com Wed, 06 Sep 2000 00:26:15 MDT Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 00:26:15 MDT From: matt garff garffdog@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] visual system During the lecture today I was reminded of how complex and specialized the visual system is. When a person has a stroke and it affects their speech, different parts of the brain can pick up the slack and compensate for the part of the brain that is affected. Learning and reading about the colorblind painter made me realize that when the visual system is damaged, that's it. There is no "back-up" system. I guess the visual processing system takes up too much space for there to be a redundant system. MATT GARFF 00144838 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From mkarni@hotmail.com Wed, 06 Sep 2000 01:25:19 MDT Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 01:25:19 MDT From: melissa karnik mkarni@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] color perception deficits Todays lecture was very interesting to me. It doesn't happen very often that individuals take the time to think about what it would really be like to have a color deficit (retinal/cortical). I can't imagine losing what seems to be such a necessary tool for day to day life. I know that having color deficit doesn't make an individual's world completely dysfunctional, however, it would be very traumatic to lose color vision in way that the color blind painter did. I have an uncle who became color blind completely in his early thirties due to an accident. It was quite an adjustment for him, to say the least. My aunt helped him adjust in many ways. She had read a book many years ago about a person with a color deficit, before this happened to my uncle, and followed the ideas in the novel to help him distinguish objects (e.g. clothing). This involved great organization on behalf of my aunt and uncle, but most importantly, my uncle felt more independent and regained his confidence about himself and his life. Similar to the color blind painter, I remember him talking a great deal about trying to force himself to see the blue sky or his red house and becoming so frustrated. Today, he is quite stable and has adapted to the change that he involuntarily endured. It's hard to imagine what this would be like to have to experience such a loss. It also makes you consider what it would be like to see through someone else's eyes and how perception would play a role but wouldn't seem to pull through in such a case. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jsd1022@yahoo.com Wed, 6 Sep 2000 06:40:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 06:40:40 -0700 (PDT) From: J Doonan jsd1022@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) We talked in class on Tuesday a little about the opponent processing theory. This reminds me of a story I read or heard somewhere. Apparently a popular butcher shop remodeled the building and with that came a new paint job inside. There after the business experience a sharp decline in business. Someone speculated the reason why is that the walls were painted such a color that after staring at the walls while in line and then getting up to the counter to make the purchase the meat then suddenly looked a repulsivke color, it had a greenish hue. The problem was apparently recognized and the walls were repainted. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From mkarni@hotmail.com Wed, 06 Sep 2000 09:48:53 MDT Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 09:48:53 MDT From: melissa karnik mkarni@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Color Anomia & Color-Object Associations Yesterday lecture by Dr. Sarah Creem was excellent. I found a great deal of interest in it probably because I know someone personally who deals with Achromatopsia (complete loss of color). However, I'm not sure if I'm confused about the last two deficits she talked about... Color Anomia and Impaired Color-Object Associations. From what I understand, Color Anomia is a deficit in naming colors. A person suffering from this would be able see a color but wouldn't be able to give it the right name. Right? Is that individual actually seeing the correct color? And an individual with Impaired Color-Object Associations would also be able to look at an object and give the right color name, but later on a written test wouldn't be able to determine the correct color. Is this right? Just a thought...it seems like Impaired Color-Object Assoc. is almost a learning/memory deficit if the individual can see an object and give it the correct name, but later can't. If I am totally off, or misunderstanding everything please let me know. #00154462 M.Karnik _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From ham070@hotmail.com Wed, 06 Sep 2000 10:45:19 MDT Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 10:45:19 MDT From: amber kresser ham070@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] losing color after the guest lecture i was thinking about what it would be like to not see color again. but mostly about how wierd it would be to lose the memory of what orange or blue actually looks like. i was thinking that if i were to ever lose my color vision, i would try to write down something about every color i could remember and try to somehow retain it that way. it is crazy how much we rely on our sense of vision to help us get by, i wonder if you lost color vision, if other senses become more specialized to compensate for the loss?? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From viper@xmission.com Wed, 06 Sep 2000 11:32:29 -0600 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 11:32:29 -0600 From: Corey Raemer viper@xmission.com Subject: [Psych3120] Color Blindness As I confirmed yesterday I am red green colorblind. When I looked at the pattern I didn't see an 8 but I clearly saw a three. the other test where others saw a number I couldn't make out anything. What does this mean. I clearly now what color red is and what color green is. Tomatos are red, grass is green. I have no problems finding a red or green crayon in a bucket. Is it because I have been conditioned by society to know that the tomatos are red and grass is green or does this mean that I just can't distinquish those colors as clearly as somebody with normal color vision. when Sara presented the slide which was backwards so that those of us with red green colorblindness could make out a number and those you with normal color vision couldn't, I didn't see a thing. Is this pretty normal? Anybody have any ideas on the subject, I am just curios as to why I am color deficient but when she gave us the other test which only red green colorblind people could detect I detected nothing. From must_09@hotmail.com Wed, 06 Sep 2000 12:40:59 MDT Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 12:40:59 MDT From: mike brooks must_09@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] night vision I was reading through last weeks readings and had an interesting thought, th readig was talking about when driving down a road at night and seeing the cats reflective eyes, they called it the "tapetum" And if any of you have seen the movie "pitch black" one of the characters had a surgery to implant a tapetum. My questuion is if anyone has read any literature about any attempts to actually perform this surgery on a human or even if it was possible. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From alexispaulos@hotmail.com Wed, 06 Sep 2000 14:49:01 MDT Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 14:49:01 MDT From: Alexis Paulos alexispaulos@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Colorblind Painter In the story about the colorblind painter it talks about how the painter lost his color vision completely as well as his ability to mentally imagine colors. I do not understand this. . .how can he remember everything else about his life, yet have lost the ability to recall color when color was his livelihood. In the reading it also said he could not imagine things in their actual color he could only remember them in what his new vision would see it as. For example when he tried to imagine a tomato he could picture the shape, but the color was black. I don't understand this. Does anyone else have a clue about this? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kimcrocheron@mail.com Wed, 6 Sep 2000 16:57:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 16:57:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Kim Crocheron kimcrocheron@mail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Laptop Computers I like the idea of laptops in the classroom. If it replaced having to purchase books I would be in. It seems as though you can buy something like a laptop for as much as we are charged for textbooks. I don't think it seems very realistic though. ------Original Message------ From: "Jaime C. Foust" To: "Class Message Board (Psychology)" Sent: September 6, 2000 4:16:57 AM GMT Subject: [Psych3120] Laptop Computers While laptop computers may make taking notes in class easier, aid in research, and perhaps extend learning beyond what is taught inside the classroom, I do not feel they can successfully replace the one-on-one interaction between teachers and students. Laptops should not be required, because in a sense, you are trying to replace teaching and preparing lessons, and students who cannot afford to acquire a laptop may be excluded from a class. Jaime Foust Kelly Symes artemishae@yahoo.com Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:06:03 -0700 (PDT) I do like laptops and I think that they might be a good idea, but then you get into the economic issues, and what people want to pay attention to. I don't think that a computer should ever take the place of a teacher though. Why wouldn't somebody just take internet classes or learn on their own? --- Lexi Monroe wrote: > Lexi Monroe > Psych 3120 > > When I think of Cognitive psychology, I think of > learning. I found an > interesting article in the USA Today on August 31. > It was titled "Laptops > are no longer a luxury for students". This brought > to my attention that > many schools now are requiring laptops in the > classroom to increase > learning. A school in New Hampshire had a rise in > S.A.T. scores of 90 > points since reequiring laptops. The issue is > whether effective learning is > achieived because of the attention and immediate > feedback that a laptop > provides or does it provide easier access to more > material. Have we reached > a point where real effective learning requires > excitement? Can we not learn > as effectively anymore in the schools through > listenening and just taking > notes? To me, what it comes down to is much of > learning is dependent on the > attention that one gives the learning material. So, > laptops are going to > tend to grab people's attention more effectively > than listening and writing > everything down. Are laptops more effective > teachers than actual teachers? _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 ........................................................ iWon.com http://www.iwon.com why wouldn't you? ........................................................ From stephenmadsen@hotmail.com Wed, 06 Sep 2000 21:05:06 GMT Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 21:05:06 GMT From: stephen madsen stephenmadsen@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Mr. I and rods and cones If I am not mistaken it is the cones that detect color. In response to a question posted here, Mr. I seemed to have lost his use of cones. Rods in general are more contrast oriented. Remember the example in class about looking at stars at night? If you look directly at the star, there is less contrast than if you look slightly off of center from the star. This is where most of the rods lye. On the subject of Mr. I. What a tragic case indeed. I can't imagine a world with out color after spending my life so far knowing color. It would especially be difficult if one was a painter. Stephen _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From AnnieJ312@aol.com Wed, 6 Sep 2000 19:34:10 EDT Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 19:34:10 EDT From: AnnieJ312@aol.com AnnieJ312@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] colorblindness This message is in response to J Doonans questions about colorblindness. While I can't shed any personal light on the subject, since I'm not colorblind myself...I do know some of the other answers to your questions. We're talking about this very thing in another one of my classes and it is in fact true that colorblindness is usually inherited from the mother. The gene for colorblindness is a sex-linked recessive gene that is found on the 23rd chromosome and it's usually an X. Since women have 2 X's it's usually just recessive, but if they pass it on to a son...the gene is expressed by him since he's a Y. It gets kind of technical, but there is a way for women to be colorblind, but it would be really hard to get genes to match up the right way for that gene to be expressed. So it would seem that a lot of women actually have the gene for colorblindness...but because it's recessive, it doesn't show up. Men on the other hand get it as a dominant gene and so it affects their vision. Hope that helps. 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------=_NextPart_000_00A6_01C0182E.25603C40-- From jjfoust@ix.netcom.com Wed, 06 Sep 2000 19:17:17 -0600 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 19:17:17 -0600 From: Jaime C. Foust jjfoust@ix.netcom.com Subject: [Psych3120] Colorblind Painter Alexis, I am with you. It is difficult for us to fathom this situation because we live in a world where we see color. No matter where we look it is there. I would be very interested to hear comments from anyone who does understand this. I can't image what it would feel like to look at a tomato and not see red. What does it feel like to look at something and not even be able to imagine that it has a color? If he is so depressed that his whole world is gray, wouldn't he have to have some recollection of colors existing? Alexis Paulos alexispaulos@hotmail.com Wed, 06 Sep 2000 14:49:01 MDT In the story about the colorblind painter it talks about how the painter lost his color vision completely as well as his ability to mentally imagine colors. I do not understand this. . .how can he remember everything else about his life, yet have lost the ability to recall color when color was his livelihood. In the reading it also said he could not imagine things in their actual color he could only remember them in what his new vision would see it as. For example when he tried to imagine a tomato he could picture the shape, but the color was black. I don't understand this. Does anyone else have a clue about this? From jonnyutah@mindspring.com Wed, 06 Sep 2000 20:04:29 -0600 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 20:04:29 -0600 From: Jon Lindberg jonnyutah@mindspring.com Subject: [Psych3120] Timpanogas Vertigo Hi All! Okay, can someone please explain this to me!!! My wife and I hiked to the summit of Mt. Timpanogas in Utah county this weekend, and at the top we both experienced something I have never really experienced before. While walking along the summit ridge, when our heads were down looking on the trail the sky and landscape in our peripheral vision was moving quite fast. In fact, it became nauseating and we had to slow our descent and remain as focused on the trail as possible, while attempting to ignore what was happening in our periphery. Any thoughts? From jjfoust@ix.netcom.com Wed, 06 Sep 2000 22:28:00 -0600 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 22:28:00 -0600 From: Jaime C. Foust jjfoust@ix.netcom.com Subject: [Psych3120] Is my blue your green? I was thinking about colorblindness tonight, and it is such an unimaginable thing for me. I have no idea what it would be like to be colorblind. But while thinking about this, I started to think that when I look at grass, I see green; however, someone else may look at grass and see what I know as yellow, but they call it green also. So basically we see the same object, and call it the same color, but we may see two completely different colors. So essentially, my green may be your blue. Does that make even an ounce of sense? Jaime From salari_ali@hotmail.com Thu, 07 Sep 2000 00:54:36 MDT Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 00:54:36 MDT From: Ali Salari salari_ali@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Is my blue your green? Along this line of thinking. About the color blind painter. Since he did at one point have normal color vision, is it possible for him to eventually begin to adapt to experiencing the normal color range. For example, if he perceived a banana as blue and he knew it was actually yellow, could he assume that everything he sees as blue now is actually yellow for normal color vision. Or would blue be a different color to him depending on what he was looking at? >From: "Jaime C. Foust" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: "Class Message Board (Psychology)" >Subject: [Psych3120] Is my blue your green? >Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 22:28:00 -0600 > >I was thinking about colorblindness tonight, and it is such an >unimaginable thing for me. I have no idea what it would be like to be >colorblind. But while thinking about this, I started to think that when >I look at grass, I see green; however, someone else may look at grass >and see what I know as yellow, but they call it green also. So >basically we see the same object, and call it the same color, but we may >see two completely different colors. So essentially, my green may be >your blue. Does that make even an ounce of sense? > >Jaime > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From mismash1@hotmail.com Thu, 07 Sep 2000 08:07:27 MDT Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 08:07:27 MDT From: chris mismash mismash1@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Vision??? What is it really? I dont think this is the case. What your eyes percievee as blue is actually a meterial that absorbes curtain wavelengths in the electromagnetic spectrum. So the color really exists, it just might not be the one your eyes percieve... >From: Mike Baker >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] Vision??? What is it really? >Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 09:21:27 -0700 (PDT) > >Wow, reading these last few readings have really >taught me a lot about what I am seeing, but I am a >little confused about something? If anyone can help >I'd really appreciate it. >So everything that we see is just the effects of >electromagnetic reactions right? So is color a >physical thing or just a perception? If I toch a blue >shirt am I in reality just touching some blank >material and I only think or perceieve that I am >touching something that is blue?? > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! >http://mail.yahoo.com/ > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From mismash1@hotmail.com Thu, 07 Sep 2000 08:13:52 MDT Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 08:13:52 MDT From: chris mismash mismash1@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Is my blue your green? Funny thing is I was also thinking about being color blind yesterday night. This thougt crossed my mind for the reading "Rods provide us with achromatic vision rather than color vision" this quote came after showing that in very low light levels only rods can respond with an image. So late last night i tested it, all the lights were out and I sat on my bed. Sure enough after a moment i could see the stuff in my room, but it was all in greyscale. For the first time I realized what black and white vision is like. My question is this, am i seeing black and white in the dark because i am only able to use my achromatic rods to see in low light, or because there is not enough light present to refract back from colored surfaces for me to see them. CM >From: "Ali Salari" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Is my blue your green? >Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 00:54:36 MDT > >Along this line of thinking. About the color blind painter. Since he did >at one point have normal color vision, is it possible for him to eventually >begin to adapt to experiencing the normal color range. For example, if he >perceived a banana as blue and he knew it was actually yellow, could he >assume that everything he sees as blue now is actually yellow for normal >color vision. Or would blue be a different color to him depending on what >he was looking at? > > >>From: "Jaime C. Foust" >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>To: "Class Message Board (Psychology)" >>Subject: [Psych3120] Is my blue your green? >>Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 22:28:00 -0600 >> >>I was thinking about colorblindness tonight, and it is such an >>unimaginable thing for me. I have no idea what it would be like to be >>colorblind. But while thinking about this, I started to think that when >>I look at grass, I see green; however, someone else may look at grass >>and see what I know as yellow, but they call it green also. So >>basically we see the same object, and call it the same color, but we may >>see two completely different colors. So essentially, my green may be >>your blue. Does that make even an ounce of sense? >> >>Jaime >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Psych3120 mailing list >>Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From mismash1@hotmail.com Thu, 07 Sep 2000 08:18:04 MDT Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 08:18:04 MDT From: chris mismash mismash1@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Colorblind Painter Have you ever known someone for a long time, but not seen them for months. Try remembering exact detail about their face, how did the look exactly? I never can do it, my brain skewes their face..id imagine it would be somthing like that. Why that happens at all I'm not sure. CM >From: "Alexis Paulos" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] Colorblind Painter >Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 14:49:01 MDT > >In the story about the colorblind painter it talks about how the painter >lost his color vision completely as well as his ability to mentally imagine >colors. I do not understand this. . .how can he remember everything else >about his life, yet have lost the ability to recall color when color was >his >livelihood. In the reading it also said he could not imagine things in >their >actual color he could only remember them in what his new vision would see >it >as. For example when he tried to imagine a tomato he could picture the >shape, but the color was black. I don't understand this. Does anyone else >have a clue about this? >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From A.Cahoon@m.cc.utah.edu Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:11:55 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:11:55 -0600 (MDT) From: A Cahoon A.Cahoon@m.cc.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) I finally got around to reading chapter 3, the visual system and I found a few things that were really fascinating. I never thought of color as a psychological reaction. I never thought of amplitude and brightness as the same thing, but they are, only one we experience and the other we don't. I also thought it was interesting that darker pigmentation is more effective in restricting the incoming light than lighter pigmentation. It almost makes me wish my eyes were brown instead of blue. One more thing I found interesting was that horses have two fovea in each eye and can see directly ahead and at the ground at the same time. Life must be a very different experience looking through an animal's eye. Amy Cahoon #00077943 From kmarc1@yahoo.com Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:43:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:43:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Marcus Kimsey kmarc1@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] Colorblind Painter In regards to how the Mr. I could no longer picture color, my understanding is that the part of his brain that processes colors was damaged, simply for him there were no more colors. He had memory of colors but could not form those colors even internally, becuase the processing center responsible for doing that was no longer functioning. So while he could remember that a tomato is red he couldn't see or picture a red tomato, only the black one. Our reading has also talked about the reconstructive nature of memory. . . some cues are stored, then we put the rest of the scene, object, or situation together based on other stored and current information. After a time of all of Mr. I's visual information coming in as black and white the monochromatic images began to overlay even his memories so that the very memory of color, undamged as it was, began to fade. Of course this is just my interpretation of the information presented in the reading, if I'm wrong let me know, if I'm right, I hope this helps to clarify the issue. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From mismash1@hotmail.com Thu, 07 Sep 2000 12:10:07 MDT Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 12:10:07 MDT From: chris mismash mismash1@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Color Anomia & Color-Object Associations Ya I also thought that the latter (non retnal) forms of color impairment seemed to be very non sight related. Both seemed more related to language issues in my opinion (any quite odd if you ask me) CM >From: "melissa karnik" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] Color Anomia & Color-Object Associations >Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 09:48:53 MDT > >Yesterday lecture by Dr. Sarah Creem was excellent. I found a great deal >of >interest in it probably because I know someone personally who deals with >Achromatopsia (complete loss of color). However, I'm not sure if I'm >confused about the last two deficits she talked about... Color Anomia and >Impaired Color-Object Associations. From what I understand, Color Anomia >is >a deficit in naming colors. A person suffering from this would be able see >a color but wouldn't be able to give it the right name. Right? Is that >individual actually seeing the correct color? And an individual with >Impaired Color-Object Associations would also be able to look at an object >and give the right color name, but later on a written test wouldn't be able >to determine the correct color. Is this right? > >Just a thought...it seems like Impaired Color-Object Assoc. is almost a >learning/memory deficit if the individual can see an object and give it the >correct name, but later can't. If I am totally off, or misunderstanding >everything please let me know. > >#00154462 >M.Karnik >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kmarc1@yahoo.com Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:50:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:50:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Marcus Kimsey kmarc1@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] Mr. I and rods and cones > If I am not mistaken it is the cones that > detect color. In response to > a question posted here, Mr. I seemed to have lost > his use of cones. Actually, Mr. I's cones were working just fine, nothing had happened to his retinas. He could distinguish different wavelengths of light as qualites and textures of gray, and as the illumination on an object changed his rods reacted appropriately to the alteration proportions of incoming wavelengths. What he lost was his brain's ability to translate that wavelength information into colors. This is why the green glasses helped him to see in regular daylight or in watching TV, they turned all incoming information into essetially one wavelength so that his cones were no longer sending his brain information that was in essence confusing and nonsensical. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From jasonwlogsdon@hotmail.com Thu, 07 Sep 2000 13:04:12 MDT Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 13:04:12 MDT From: Jason Logsdon jasonwlogsdon@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] laser surgery I had vision correction surgery too. I love it. I've had no problems and I have better than 20/20 vision. I think sometimes problems can develope but I've heard it is in only about 5 to 10% of the cases. If you go with a good doctor you greatly reduce your risk. Jason Logsdon From: "Alexis Paulos" Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] laser surgery Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 14:17:40 MDT About six months ago my mom had laser eye surgery. This surgery allowed for her vision to be corrected at long distances. However, after having the surgery she is now unable to see close up. Her whole perception has changed. She has had to "relearn" tasks that require close up vision, as well as replace her old glasses with reading glasses to aid her in seeing these small tasks. For a little while after the surgery she had headaches and felt generally disoriented. She now has become use to the changes but some days her vision goes cloudy and other days she can see relatively well close up and faraway My question is. . .is this normal for laser eye surgery? And if so why is this corrective surgery so inconsistent? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kmarc1@yahoo.com Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:10:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:10:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Marcus Kimsey kmarc1@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] Timpanogas Vertigo --- Jon Lindberg wrote: > Hi All! > > Okay, can someone please explain this to me!!! My > wife and I hiked to the > summit of Mt. Timpanogas in Utah county this > weekend, and at the top we both > experienced something I have never really > experienced before. While walking > along the summit ridge, when our heads were down > looking on the trail the sky > and landscape in our peripheral vision was moving > quite fast. In fact, it > became nauseating and we had to slow our descent and > remain as focused on the > trail as possible, while attempting to ignore what > was happening in our > periphery. Any thoughts? > The vertigo you experienced was the result of your eyes disagreeing with your inner ear. You peripheral vision sees clouds, etc, moving by quicly and concludes that you are moving fast. The motion of the fluids in the semi-circular canals of your inner ear tells your brain that you are actually only moving at a walking pace. The confusion caused by conflicting information results in the feeling of vertigo. You can have fun with this effect, lie down at the foot of a sheer cliff or the wall of a relatively tall building on a day when high level winds are strong. The cliff or wall restricts your vision so that mostly you see the quickly moving clouds, a visual cue that you are moving fast, meanwhile your inner ear tells your brain the real story, in attempting to reconcile the information your brain does some odd things. You may experience vertigo or a falling sensation, but to most people it appears as though the cliff or building is moving. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From trichardson@acs.utah.edu Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:16:39 -0600 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:16:39 -0600 From: Richardson, Tim trichardson@acs.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] Blindsight In class it showed a person with blindsight able to reach for the object in his blind spot and touch or grasp the object with his hand in the shape of the object. Had he already touched the object? and was the sound coming from where the object was? Or does the person know where his/her blind spot is and reaches for that spot? From JRWoods@aol.com Thu, 07 Sep 2000 15:14:53 EDT Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 15:14:53 EDT From: JRWoods@aol.com JRWoods@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] Blindsight Today's lecture on vision (9/7) cleared up a number of misconceptions that I and others seem to have held concerning blindsight. I now understand that it is damage or trauma to the primary visual cortex that causes the deficit in visual awareness, but does not completely impede the individuals ability to direct action toward an object within the damaged field. I would like to know if it is necessary to know all the names and connections between the areas of the brain or is it more important to know the diseases and how they effect us? Chris F. From gleim@uswest.net Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:46:07 -0600 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:46:07 -0600 From: The Gleim's gleim@uswest.net Subject: [Psych3120] Thursday lecture This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C018D1.F92BC280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The lecture today was extremely interesting. =20 I had no idea what a complex pathway our vision actually takes. The deficits that=20 she mentioned were so strange to grasp. The fact that you can visually see something yet be unable to identify it is mind boggling,=20 especially in respect to the man in the video who couldn't recognize his wife. Although, if you really think about it, with such a complex and intricate system with so many=20 area's of the eye and brain working together, it is amazing that more people don't have deficits. There are just so many places and ways that something can=20 go wrong. 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------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C018D1.F92BC280-- From garffdog@hotmail.com Thu, 07 Sep 2000 14:21:30 MDT Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 14:21:30 MDT From: matt garff garffdog@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] mr i's cones In response to a message posted, If I recall correctly, Mr I's cones worked. The problem was in the brain. The information made it to the brain, but the brain could not code it with the color information. MATT GARFF 00144838 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From CatherineW123@aol.com Thu, 7 Sep 2000 18:03:55 EDT Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 18:03:55 EDT From: CatherineW123@aol.com CatherineW123@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] Blindsight >From my impression I do not think the subject had previously touched the object and like it was mentioned in class people are not aware of their blind spot (I think). Even if they knew where their blind spot was they would not be able to position their hand at the correct angle and size for gripping the object. I don't think the sound was coming from that way, but even if it was they would have no idea as to the size of the object or if the object was round, flat, vertical etc. The subject they showed seemed perfectly able to judge how small or large they should position their hand and what shape the object was. From Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:12:57 -0600 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:12:57 -0600 From: Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com Subject: [Psych3120] Thursday lecture I too found that phenomenon very interesting, but something puzzled me about it. If he can see objects but not recognize them, how come he could recognize his wife by the shoes she was wearing? He definitely new it was her, once she spoke, but he had some idea that it was her by her shoes. This made me think. Could they be conditioned to remember objects through therapy? Leonard Cancel #00180520 >---------- >From: The Gleim's[SMTP:gleim@uswest.net] >Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 1:46 PM >To: Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] Thursday lecture > >The lecture today was extremely interesting. >I had no idea what a complex pathway >our vision actually takes. The deficits that >she mentioned were so strange to grasp. >The fact that you can visually see something >yet be unable to identify it is mind boggling, >especially in respect to the man in the video >who couldn't recognize his wife. > >Although, if you really think about it, with >such a complex and intricate system with so many >area's of the eye and brain working together, >it is amazing that more people >don't have deficits. There are just so >many places and ways that something can >go wrong. > >Heather Gleim #00067221 > > > > > > >
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> From jameshaymond@hotmail.com Thu, 07 Sep 2000 18:22:10 EDT Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 18:22:10 EDT From: james haymond jameshaymond@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] visual agnosia The video clip we watched today in class of the man with visual agnosia intregued me. I didn't know that there are two systems for vision, one for recognizing "what" as well as one for the "where and "how". Perhaps further research will reveal that there are more than two systems. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Norrisrachel@aol.com Thu, 7 Sep 2000 19:52:50 EDT Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 19:52:50 EDT From: Norrisrachel@aol.com Norrisrachel@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] Achromatopsia I don't think if someone is colorblind they can see color in their dreams because it mentioned in the colorblind painter that when he closed his eyes that he saw everything in black and white. I don't know if this is because he just remembers what he saw that day, or if he can go back in his mind and remember what it used to be like to see color? From Ryanjg76@cs.com Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:22:46 EDT Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:22:46 EDT From: Ryanjg76@cs.com Ryanjg76@cs.com Subject: [Psych3120] visual agnosia In response to your statement, I would just like to agree with you. I too learned a great deal about the "Where/How" which is the Dorsal upper part of the brain and the "What" which is the Ventral lower part of the brain. The video was indeed interesting, however, someone in class asked if the person could simply use the process of elimination to find the object in the blindspot since he knew that he had the problem before the experiment began. I felt unsatisfied with the instructors answer to the question. During the video I noticed that the man reached in the same direction and in doing so found the objects in the blindspot every time. Why couldn't he have used the process of elimination or at least learned where to reach/grab through simply the process of repetition (grabbing in the same area frequently)? He had a number of different shapes, but they were in the same place every time. Am I wrong to assume such a thing? Ryan G. From M.Burchett@m.cc.utah.edu Thu, 07 Sep 2000 18:12:17 -0600 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 18:12:17 -0600 From: Michele Burchett M.Burchett@m.cc.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] Color Blindness Hey Corey, Here are my thoughts on this issue you presented. Possibly where you were sitting in the room and the lighting of the "Test" influenced what you saw. If you couldn't see the second image (of the 73), it probably means you are not truly red-green colorblind. As for the "3"/"8" dilemma, the part of the 8 that made it an 8 and not a 3 was tricky to detect. Especially given the lighting of the area where the test occured. It was a different shade of the same color that made up the rest of the 8. My suggestion would be for you to take a real color blind test (I know they have them somewhere in the Beh Science tower, go ask the PAC office, maybe they can help.) I'm sure if you take a real test under the actual condition they are intended to be administered, it will clear up a lot for you. After all, everything we see is being filtered through a bluish light in that classroom because of the computer projector. It's not an accurate test. Don't worry about anything until you take an accurate test. Corey Raemer wrote: > As I confirmed yesterday I am red green colorblind. When I looked at > the pattern I didn't see an 8 but I clearly saw a three. the other > test > where others saw a number I couldn't make out anything. What does > this > mean. I clearly now what color red is and what color green is. > Tomatos > are red, grass is green. I have no problems finding a red or green > crayon in a bucket. Is it because I have been conditioned by society > to > know that the tomatos are red and grass is green or does this mean > that > I just can't distinquish those colors as clearly as somebody with > normal > color vision. when Sara presented the slide which was backwards so > that > those of us with red green colorblindness could make out a number and > those you with normal color vision couldn't, I didn't see a thing. Is > > this pretty normal? Anybody have any ideas on the subject, I am just > curios as to why I am color deficient but when she gave us the other > test which only red green colorblind people could detect I detected > nothing. > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 From M.Burchett@m.cc.utah.edu Thu, 07 Sep 2000 18:27:29 -0600 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 18:27:29 -0600 From: Michele Burchett M.Burchett@m.cc.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] Is my blue your green? I think it's both. There isn't enough light at night to activate the cones which means there is very little light reflecting off the surfaces for the cones to detect even if they were activated. Since there is little light reflecting off the objects, there is no color (or little color) to detect. It's an interesting thought to contemplate what the world would look like if the cones only needed a low amount of light to become activated. After all, a low amount of light wouldn't reflect much color and everything would appear differently. Kinda like things appear differently in the shade or by candlelight. In these cases there is enough light to activate the cones, but not enough light reflecting off the object to give us a true idea of its color. Any thoughts on this? chris mismash wrote: > Funny thing is I was also thinking about being color blind yesterday > night. > This thougt crossed my mind for the reading "Rods provide us with > achromatic > vision rather than color vision" this quote came after showing that in > very > low light levels only rods can respond with an image. So late last > night i > tested it, all the lights were out and I sat on my bed. Sure enough > after a > moment i could see the stuff in my room, but it was all in greyscale. > For > the first time I realized what black and white vision is like. My > question > is this, am i seeing black and white in the dark because i am only > able to > use my achromatic rods to see in low light, or because there is not > enough > light present to refract back from colored surfaces for me to see > them. > > CM > > >From: "Ali Salari" > >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Is my blue your green? > >Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 00:54:36 MDT > > > >Along this line of thinking. About the color blind painter. Since > he did > >at one point have normal color vision, is it possible for him to > eventually > >begin to adapt to experiencing the normal color range. For example, > if he > >perceived a banana as blue and he knew it was actually yellow, could > he > >assume that everything he sees as blue now is actually yellow for > normal > >color vision. Or would blue be a different color to him depending on > what > >he was looking at? > > > > > >>From: "Jaime C. Foust" > >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >>To: "Class Message Board (Psychology)" > > >>Subject: [Psych3120] Is my blue your green? > >>Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 22:28:00 -0600 > >> > >>I was thinking about colorblindness tonight, and it is such an > >>unimaginable thing for me. I have no idea what it would be like to > be > >>colorblind. But while thinking about this, I started to think that > when > >>I look at grass, I see green; however, someone else may look at > grass > >>and see what I know as yellow, but they call it green also. So > >>basically we see the same object, and call it the same color, but we > may > >>see two completely different colors. So essentially, my green may > be > >>your blue. Does that make even an ounce of sense? > >> > >>Jaime > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Psych3120 mailing list > >>Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >>http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Psych3120 mailing list > >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 From gleim@uswest.net Thu, 7 Sep 2000 19:42:20 -0600 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 19:42:20 -0600 From: The Gleim's gleim@uswest.net Subject: [Psych3120] Thursday lecture I hadn't thought of that. But you're right it would make sense that through therapy they could be conditioned to remember objects. I had forgotten that the man was able to remember her shoes, why wouldn't he have recognized her dress, purse, or hair? Is it possible that his deficit could be that descriminating? Or did he just remember her putting those shoes on that morning? Heather Gleim 00067221 -----Original Message----- From: Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Date: Thursday, September 07, 2000 4:10 PM Subject: RE: [Psych3120] Thursday lecture >I too found that phenomenon very interesting, but something puzzled me >about it. If he can see objects but not recognize them, how come he >could recognize his wife by the shoes she was wearing? He definitely >new it was her, once she spoke, but he had some idea that it was her by >her shoes. This made me think. Could they be conditioned to remember >objects through therapy? > >Leonard Cancel #00180520 > >>---------- From klmacurdy@hotmail.com Fri, 08 Sep 2000 03:06:37 GMT Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 03:06:37 GMT From: Karen Macurdy klmacurdy@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Achromatopsia I have a brother-in-law who is blind. He used to have partial vision, but now he is total (completely blind, not even light and dark vision). He has been total for more than five years now, and most of his dreams are without pictures. But every once in awhile, he will dream about people the way he used to be able to see them. However, I don't know if this would also be the case for people who acquired achromatopsia suddenly because my brother-in-law's shift to total blindness was a problem with the eye and the optic nerve, not with the visual processing, no there wasn't brain damage involved. So he does dream in pictures still, but the pictures are blurry, like they were to him when he had partial vision. Karen Leishman >From: Norrisrachel@aol.com >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Achromatopsia >Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 19:52:50 EDT > >I don't think if someone is colorblind they can see color in their dreams >because it mentioned in the colorblind painter that when he closed his eyes >that he saw everything in black and white. I don't know if this is because >he just remembers what he saw that day, or if he can go back in his mind >and >remember what it used to be like to see color? > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Mad4madimac@aol.com Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:50:15 EDT Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:50:15 EDT From: Mad4madimac@aol.com Mad4madimac@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] Achromatopsia I don't know if this is what you were saying, but I thought that Pro. Strayer said that people who had this condition could remember colors for a while, but after a time, colors left them completely, he couldn't keep the colors in his memory. Madison #00155404 From Mad4madimac@aol.com Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:57:55 EDT Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:57:55 EDT From: Mad4madimac@aol.com Mad4madimac@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] visual agnosia Ryan, I thought that the objects were in the same place every time as well. But as I kept looking for them to change, I thought that they were put a little to the left and to the right also, a little higher. I guess this may be as you say, that the objects had to be in his blind spot each time. I had a feeling for the Prof. answer to this today. I think that what she was trying to say was that although they have a blind spot, they are not aware of it. Like we are not aware of our blind spot because our mind fills it in. I was thinking that the blind spot is not significant to him until he cannot see an object that is plain to everyone else. Am I far off? Madison #00155404 From rebeccareed@netzero.net Fri, 08 Sep 2000 00:31:12 -0600 Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 00:31:12 -0600 From: Rebecca Reed rebeccareed@netzero.net Subject: [Psych3120] agnosia I thought it was absolutely amazing that someone can have damage to the brain and agnosia be the only result. I think that guy on the video we watched today in class was very lucky that that is all that happened to him. I'd be interested in knowing exactly what happened in his accident. 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Kristin From mismash1@hotmail.com Fri, 08 Sep 2000 00:43:23 MDT Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 00:43:23 MDT From: chris mismash mismash1@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] RE: Thursday lecture From: "The Gleim's" Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Subject: [Psych3120] Thursday lecture Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:46:07 -0600 Ya i was blown away by this when i was doing my reading. The most amazing thing I saw was that a person could see the image of a shape in their hear, draw that shape on a piece of paper, then look at what they drew and not know what it is. I wonder if makes those that suffer from this nauseous, I often feel sick when i get disoriented .. this has got to drive them nuts! The thing i don't get is do they have any real long/short term association memory.. i mean show a dog a ball a few times and it will know what its looking at (proof would be using a specific item for a specific trick)... so i wonder if re-training the brain could help some of these people... ************************************* The lecture today was extremely interesting. I had no idea what a complex pathway our vision actually takes. The deficits that she mentioned were so strange to grasp. The fact that you can visually see something yet be unable to identify it is mind boggling, especially in respect to the man in the video who couldn't recognize his wife. Although, if you really think about it, with such a complex and intricate system with so many area's of the eye and brain working together, it is amazing that more people don't have deficits. There are just so many places and ways that something can go wrong. Heather Gleim #00067221 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From sweetfogs@hotmail.com Fri, 08 Sep 2000 06:48:36 GMT Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 06:48:36 GMT From: Jaimie Cogswell sweetfogs@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] ugly food I was thinking about this week's lecture and how difficult it might be for someone to eat if all they saw was black, grays, and white. The colorblind painter obviously found it difficult to eat. My friend was making velveeta macaroni and cheese and her boyfriend put food coloring in the cheese when she was not looking. The entire meal ended up a puke green color and they found it very hard to eat (and to stop laughing). It is surprising how much color can influence our perception, especially on something like food. It's weird that one wouldn't be able to put the fact that the food wasn't the "right" color and just enjoy the food, but I guess eating is a total sensory event. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From mismash1@hotmail.com Fri, 08 Sep 2000 00:54:07 MDT Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 00:54:07 MDT From: chris mismash mismash1@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Cones Rods & Black white Hmm good question. My guess is this, in the immediate area of the candle the cones are activated, thus showing the yellow flame. As the light is diffused through out the room most objects don't get enough to reflect back to our eye, thus the cones do not activate when looking at these objects. So im luminous areas color may be visible, but in lees luminous areas (even if just a few cm off) color may not be visible, relying on rods to interpret the object. I want to try testing it, i wonder if you had a candle and had an apple and put the apple very close to the candle if you could see the color. Then slowly move the apple away until you could not longer perceive its color... could make some nifty color vs luminosity index...(graph) CM ******************************************** From: Michele Burchett Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Is my blue your green? Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 18:27:29 -0600 I think it's both. There isn't enough light at night to activate the cones which means there is very little light reflecting off the surfaces for the cones to detect even if they were activated. Since there is little light reflecting off the objects, there is no color (or little color) to detect. It's an interesting thought to contemplate what the world would look like if the cones only needed a low amount of light to become activated. After all, a low amount of light wouldn't reflect much color and everything would appear differently. Kinda like things appear differently in the shade or by candlelight. In these cases there is enough light to activate the cones, but not enough light reflecting off the object to give us a true idea of its color. Any thoughts on this? chris mismash wrote: >Funny thing is I was also thinking about being color blind yesterday >night. >This thougt crossed my mind for the reading "Rods provide us with >achromatic >vision rather than color vision" this quote came after showing that in >very >low light levels only rods can respond with an image. So late last >night i >tested it, all the lights were out and I sat on my bed. Sure enough >after a >moment i could see the stuff in my room, but it was all in greyscale. >For >the first time I realized what black and white vision is like. My >question >is this, am i seeing black and white in the dark because i am only >able to >use my achromatic rods to see in low light, or because there is not >enough >light present to refract back from colored surfaces for me to see >them. > >CM > > >From: "Ali Salari" > >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Is my blue your green? > >Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 00:54:36 MDT > > > >Along this line of thinking. About the color blind painter. Since >he did > >at one point have normal color vision, is it possible for him to >eventually > >begin to adapt to experiencing the normal color range. For example, >if he > >perceived a banana as blue and he knew it was actually yellow, could >he > >assume that everything he sees as blue now is actually yellow for >normal > >color vision. Or would blue be a different color to him depending on >what > >he was looking at? > > > > > >>From: "Jaime C. Foust" > >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >>To: "Class Message Board (Psychology)" > > >>Subject: [Psych3120] Is my blue your green? > >>Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 22:28:00 -0600 > >> > >>I was thinking about colorblindness tonight, and it is such an > >>unimaginable thing for me. I have no idea what it would be like to >be > >>colorblind. But while thinking about this, I started to think that >when > >>I look at grass, I see green; however, someone else may look at >grass > >>and see what I know as yellow, but they call it green also. So > >>basically we see the same object, and call it the same color, but we >may > >>see two completely different colors. So essentially, my green may >be > >>your blue. Does that make even an ounce of sense? > >> > >>Jaime _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From mikebaker13@yahoo.com Fri, 8 Sep 2000 08:35:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 08:35:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Baker mikebaker13@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] Dreaming in color In my dreams and others that I have spoken with think that our dreams are in color. I remember vividly a dream the other night that was in color. Is our brain creating the colors out of memory? Obviously we are asleep and are not physically experiencing the dream and our eyes are not open and seeing things. Where does this come from does anybody know? How does our perception of color effect our dreams>Mike Baker __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From mikebaker13@yahoo.com Fri, 8 Sep 2000 08:41:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 08:41:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Baker mikebaker13@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] Dreaming in color In my dreams and others that I have spoken with think that our dreams are in color. I remember vividly a dream the other night that was in color. Is our brain creating the colors out of memory? Obviously we are asleep and are not physically experiencing the dream and our eyes are not open and seeing things. Where does this come from does anybody know? How does our perception of color effect our dreams>Mike Baker __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From amark2@uswest.net Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:45:30 -0600 Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:45:30 -0600 From: mark archibald amark2@uswest.net Subject: [Psych3120] blindsight This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C01981.E8717880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fascinating, I don't think the researchers would have motive to deceive = the viewers. It did seem that the objects were in close proximity each = time but, when their grip changed to the shape of the object, that = pretty much erased my doubts. M A ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C01981.E8717880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Fascinating, I don't think the = researchers would=20 have motive to deceive the viewers. It did seem that the objects were in = close=20 proximity each time but, when their grip changed to the shape of the = object,=20 that pretty much erased my doubts. M A
------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C01981.E8717880-- From ethanfinley@hotmail.com Fri, 08 Sep 2000 10:57:37 MDT Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 10:57:37 MDT From: Ethan Finley ethanfinley@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Development of Color Vision I had a question that sort of integrates the material from this course, and the material from another course I am taking, Psychology of Childhood and Adolescent Development. We talked today in my development course about the idea of a Genotypic potential for a range of developmental responses. We also discussed how some developmental responses (i.e. a baby's sucking response, babbling, etc.) are more ingrained than others, and are harder for environmental factors to divert. My question is this: If an infant was placed in an environment which was not nourishing to their ability to percieve color, (i.e. a black-and-white environment), would their ability to see color be impaired, even though they may have been born with healthy eyes and visual-neural pathways??? Would such early sensory deprivation permanently impaire their ability to perceive color? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Thurie@aol.com Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:03:30 EDT Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:03:30 EDT From: Thurie@aol.com Thurie@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] Am I color blind? I am kind of slow sending this message, but on Tuesday when the guest speaker put up those dot pictures where we were supposed to see certain numbers within them, I didn't do so well. The one that was an 8, I could see as a 3, but know way a 8. The one that was a 7, I could barely see any differences between the colors of the picture, but the test to see if you were color blind I failed. I didn't see the 73 at all. I know that I am not totally colorblind and as far as I know my clothes always match, but do I have some sort of partial color blindness maybe? From E.J.Dickerson@m.cc.utah.edu Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:36:52 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:36:52 -0600 (MDT) From: E.J.Dickerson@m.cc.utah.edu E.J.Dickerson@m.cc.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] Photoreceptors I find is amazing that our eyes see color that ours brains actually perceive. The three different photoreceptors or photopigments which are ultimately responsible for recognizing wavelengths specific for their type allow us to see color. What happens when wavelengths which may be shorter or longer than what the photoreceptor can handle hit the photopigment. For example, when a short wavelength hits a medium wavelength photoreceptor ? Does it simulate the photoreceptor at all or just not enough to cause hyperpolarization? Also, how would photoreceptors see fast moving obejects? How does speed effect how we see color? From amark2@uswest.net Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:45:46 -0600 Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:45:46 -0600 From: mark archibald amark2@uswest.net Subject: [Psych3120] Am I color blind? could be Dichromatism, though mainly in males, can't believe you had'nt noticed before. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 11:03 AM Subject: [Psych3120] Am I color blind? > I am kind of slow sending this message, but on Tuesday when the guest > speaker put up those dot pictures where we were supposed to see certain > numbers within them, I didn't do so well. The one that was an 8, I could see > as a 3, but know way a 8. The one that was a 7, I could barely see any > differences between the colors of the picture, but the test to see if you > were color blind I failed. I didn't see the 73 at all. I know that I am not > totally colorblind and as far as I know my clothes always match, but do I > have some sort of partial color blindness maybe? > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From marcisparks@hotmail.com Fri, 08 Sep 2000 12:11:59 MDT Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 12:11:59 MDT From: Marci Sparks marcisparks@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Sensitivity of the brain Throughout the things that people keep discussing regarding Finius Cage and Mr. I, I can't help but think of other people who have had problems because of damage to certain areas of the brain. Boxers and football players for example, my father was a semi professional boxer for many years, and now suffers from MS. No correlation has ever been made to brain damage in people who have MS, but, there have been speculations that because of the breakdown of the blood brain barrier when they were hit in the head, certain toxins got into the brain, and may cause the neural problems that they now have. It is purely speculation at this point, but, I do find it interesting, because, I could see toxins entering through the blood brain barrier being the cause of many unexplainable neurological disorders. Look at Mohammad Ali for example, studies have been conducted with football players and boxers, that have shown that they are affected in more ways than was realized a few years ago because of being hit in the head. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From rosemary420@hotmail.com Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:55:48 GMT Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:55:48 GMT From: Rosemary Russo rosemary420@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Face Recognition I found a research article from the Massachusetts General Hospital about new information on how our brain reacts when we see faces of people. In the article it says that they used an fMRI to analyze areas of brain activity when participants would look at pictures of different people and say what gender the person was. They found that activity in the amygdla increased when participants saw pictures of people from a different race then they were themselves. They haven't concluded anything from the study, but it seems rather interesting to me that brain activity increased within an area of the brain that has been connected to fear and alarm. This might begin to provide a biological basis for irrational prejudice, or maybe explain some other things related to social psych. ~Rosemary Russo~ #00086213 P.S. If anyone wants to read the article its at: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2000/08/000825081924.htm _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jlallatin@yahoo.com Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:20:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:20:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Jon Lallatin jlallatin@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] Finius Cage --- Corey Raemer wrote: > When the railroad spike passed through Finius Cage > it severed the > connection between his limbic system and his > prefrontal cortex. The > spike passed through at about his cheek area and > came out on top of his > head. (the smithsonian has his skull and the spike) > It was unfortunate > for him but for science he was a walking model of > what happens when the > prefrontal cortex is not functioning properly in > everyday life. The > limbic system is a area of the brain which is very > old and is not much > more evolved than that of a lizard brain. What > scientist learned from > Cage was that the prefrontal cortex controls our > impulses. Without this > control the simplist thing would upset cage or cause > him to go into a > rage which he never used to do. The limbic system > would send out > signals of emotional rage and anger and Cage had no > logic in whether or > not to act on these impulses so he suffered from > emotional outbursts > which were not logical. I saw a documentry on > current research which is > being done to determine the functioning of the > prefrontal cortex in > murderers and serial killers. What they have found > from MRI and other > scans is that people who are convicted killers seem > to have lower > activity in their prefrontal cortical regions. > Without its control > telling the Limbic systems impulses "No" these > impulses are more easily > acted upon. There has also been research done on > young kids in early > teen years to determine the level of there > prefrontal cortical functions > and they have found that this region is still > developing into teen > years. This may explain the impulsivity of > teenagers to engage in > certain activities which are unsafe or dangerous to > themselves or > others. > >Because I find this subject very interesting I would like to make a comment to Corey. (In fact I find it so interesting that the name of the band that I make music with is called "Phineas Gage"). His story is just a glimpse into an understanding of what the human body really is and what its purpose is. First of all, imagine having a car that works so well that you never have to fix it. Soon you begin to forget that it needs taking care of and eventually neglect it all together. On some future day it breaks down. Sure it still works but it is now unreliable. Why? What went wrong? The possibilities are endless from the head gasket to no gass! Yes it can be fixed(hopefully) by someone who knows how. But it can be simply explained just by saying the car was not taken care of(accidently or purposely). If anyone were to accidently or purposely disturb the processes of the body, especially the brain, the evidence has shown that control of those processes goes down in correspondence with the level of injury. In the case of Phineas Gage, he had little to no control of his emotions. So what does this tell us about the purpose of the body? In short, the body is a vehicle that needs taken care of so that it responds how we want it to respond. BUT, is the car to blame for its condition when it breaks down? Nah. I'd say it's the person behind the wheel who is responsible. The some goes for the body(excluding an accident of course). _____________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 From jlallatin@yahoo.com Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:26:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:26:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Jon Lallatin jlallatin@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] work tests --- CatherineW123@aol.com wrote: > I worked in retail for a long time and did display's > for store windows and I > never was given a color blindness test. I also had a > friend who was > colorblind and he never realized it until he was > older and started to think > that maybe he was seeing things different from other > people. > > _I worked in retail too. Why would they give you a colorblind test? Maybe we are all colorblind and people that are labeled as such are the normal ones. Hmmmm.______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 From kimcrocheron@mail.com Fri, 8 Sep 2000 16:57:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 16:57:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Kim Crocheron kimcrocheron@mail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Thursday's lecture The guy in the video was able to recognize his wife's shoes, and so maybe they can be trained to remember certain things. He also could make associations, which I thought was interesting. He knew that if he could find a sign that said in or out that he would probably be able to find the taxi line. I think this is so interesting. I am also curious about what part of the brain he had a stroke in, I would assume it was near the occipital lobe. ........................................................ iWon.com http://www.iwon.com why wouldn't you? ........................................................ From wilson624@hotmail.com Fri, 08 Sep 2000 15:38:53 MDT Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 15:38:53 MDT From: alanna wilson wilson624@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] color blindness So Dichromatism is a color definciency at the retina level. Why is it more common in males than in females? Why, in general, do males suffer from color blindness more than females? In the case of this one photopigment is missing and the most common color blindness in red/green. The cones that are absent are the medium (green) and the long (red) ones. If someone has this type of colorblindness what does the person actually see since they can't see red or green? Do they see black, grey, or a mixture of colors? Take for example a fire truck. Now everyone knows that fire trucks are red. Since a person with dichromatism can't see red what color do they see? In other words, do they know the truck is red and just can't see the color? Does anyone have the answer to this question? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From CatherineW123@aol.com Fri, 8 Sep 2000 23:18:35 EDT Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 23:18:35 EDT From: CatherineW123@aol.com CatherineW123@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] Thursday lecture I am thinking he probably just remembered her putting on her shoes, or that is the one thing he mentioned remembering. From CatherineW123@aol.com Fri, 8 Sep 2000 23:20:00 EDT Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 23:20:00 EDT From: CatherineW123@aol.com CatherineW123@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] visual agnosia Like you I also thought that the man in the video was unaware of is blind spot. From CatherineW123@aol.com Fri, 8 Sep 2000 23:23:05 EDT Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 23:23:05 EDT From: CatherineW123@aol.com CatherineW123@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] Dreaming in color Someone once told me that some people dream in black and white while other people dream in color. Does anyone know if this is true? From CatherineW123@aol.com Fri, 8 Sep 2000 23:27:57 EDT Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 23:27:57 EDT From: CatherineW123@aol.com CatherineW123@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] Development of Color Vision I think that if a baby was placed in a room with only black and white for the first few years of their life, later in life they might not be able to see color. In one psychology class they talked about a young girl who was severely abused and she had been locked in a basement and had no interaction with others. When someone finally found out about this and removed her from the basement she never learned to speak fully and after extensive therapy could only string together three words. Maybe color vision would be similar to this? From jonnyutah@mindspring.com Sat, 09 Sep 2000 00:01:10 -0600 Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 00:01:10 -0600 From: Jon Lindberg jonnyutah@mindspring.com Subject: [Psych3120] Cool new technology I tried sending this from another location than my home, so if this is the second time you have seen it, please forgive me. I was reading through my new issue of Popular Mechanics for 10/00 today and came across something that is rather applicable to our discussion of the eye. Evidently, scientists in Brussels have created a new type of visual assistance device for the blind. This device is a camera, which is mounted on a pair of glasses. This camera transmits the image it sees to via a short range radio transmitter to a surgically implanted receiver. The neat thing about the receiver is that rather than connecting it to the patients visual cortex, it is connected to the patiens optical nerve. Pretty neat, eh? I have one question though. Do you think the reason that they connected the receiver to the optical nerve rather than the visual cortex is because of the complexity and delicate nature of the visual cortex? The article didn't say, but I thought it was worth mentioning here anyway. Hopefully some of the visually impaired people I work with can be fitted with this device in the next ten to fifteen years. If anyone is interested in the article, its on page 22 of the October 2000 Popular Mechanics. From jefbruwid@excite.com Sat, 9 Sep 2000 08:47:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 08:47:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Widdison jefbruwid@excite.com Subject: [Psych3120] RE: Thursday lecture I agree with Heather on this one. It is amazing why people don't have more problems with their visual sytstem, especially since there is so much involved. One thing that this made me think was that even in such a complex process, the visual reaction is such a quick process. I would think to judge it's response you would messure in miliseconds. Does anyone know for sure how long the whole response takes? I am also an exercise and sports science major and one class that I took involved reactions and how long reactions take. I believe that the fastest human reaction timed in at .25 seconds. (that is hand response). The fastest human reaction is sight which on average takes about .18 seconds. Does anyone else have any stats that they could add? Or maybe corrections to what I have said? Jeff Widdison #00153153 > ************************************* > The lecture today was extremely interesting. > I had no idea what a complex pathway > our vision actually takes. The deficits that > she mentioned were so strange to grasp. > The fact that you can visually see something > yet be unable to identify it is mind boggling, > especially in respect to the man in the video > who couldn't recognize his wife. > > Although, if you really think about it, with > such a complex and intricate system with so many > area's of the eye and brain working together, > it is amazing that more people > don't have deficits. There are just so > many places and ways that something can > go wrong. > > Heather Gleim #00067221 > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From viper@xmission.com Sat, 09 Sep 2000 10:57:40 -0600 Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 10:57:40 -0600 From: Corey Raemer viper@xmission.com Subject: [Psych3120] Split brain Patients I am not sure if I am right but in regards to Kristins question "how would a severed corpus collosum effect and individual". I would imagine that this person would not be able to associate what they processed. For example if the smell of a fruit was stored on one side of the brain, and the shape and taste of the fruit was stored on the other, the patient would not be able to associate that information together to come to conclusion of what fruit was in front of them. Is this correct? Corey From mattdhubby@hotmail.com Sat, 09 Sep 2000 12:54:16 MDT Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 12:54:16 MDT From: matt wilson mattdhubby@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] psych3120 Have you ever wondered what life would be like if you were color blind? Not even completely color blind, just partially. Have you ever asked someone who is color blind to describe what it's like? They can't,it's all they've ever known. If you've never tasted an apple can you describe what an apple tastes like? Of course not. It is the same for them. What they see is normal to them. But can you imagine the problems that would result from being even partially color blind? My brother-in-law is partially color blind. He can't tell the difference between red and green or blue and purple. This presented a real problem for him while he was living in Japan because the way their stop lights are arranged is completely different. In America he had memorized the position of the lights, so it wasn't a problem, but when he first got to Japan he almost killed himself several times because he was confused as to which light was which. When you hear about cases like this it makes you far more appreciative of the gift of perfect eyesight. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From garffdog@hotmail.com Sat, 09 Sep 2000 13:57:59 MDT Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 13:57:59 MDT From: matt garff garffdog@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) The following is an interesting question. I don't have the answer but I know that babies born deaf will make noise up to a certain age, and then because of lack of stimuli they stop.(They don't hear any noises so they can't attempt to mimick them, and that portion of their brain doesn't develop). I would imagine that it would be similar for babies that are deprived of visual information. I can't say for sure, but atrophy seems to take it's toll on all of our systems. MATT GARFF 00144838 From: "Ethan Finley" To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 10:57:37 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Development of Color Vision Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu I had a question that sort of integrates the material from this course, and the material from another course I am taking, Psychology of Childhood and Adolescent Development. We talked today in my development course about the idea of a Genotypic potential for a range of developmental responses. We also discussed how some developmental responses (i.e. a baby's sucking response, babbling, etc.) are more ingrained than others, and are harder for environmental factors to divert. My question is this: If an infant was placed in an environment which was not nourishing to their ability to percieve color, (i.e. a black-and-white environment), would their ability to see color be impaired, even though they may have been born with healthy eyes and visual-neural pathways??? Would such early sensory deprivation permanently impaire their ability to perceive color? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dgrappe@bitcorp.net Sat, 9 Sep 00 15:34:34 -0600 Date: Sat, 9 Sep 00 15:34:34 -0600 From: Derrel and Magen Grappendorf dgrappe@bitcorp.net Subject: [Psych3120] Billboards & Magazines are made of dots I think I have a good example of an additive mixture. If you look at magzine pictures with a magnify glass you can see that they are made up of little dots (Cyan, Yellow, Blue, Black- I think). Without the magnifying glass all you see is a regular picture. Instead of mixing colors (like the subtractive mixtures), they use the lights from different parts of the spectrum to reflect the desired colors. Billboards, cereal boxes, news papers are all done in the same manner. Dot-Matrix printers print in the same manner. Does that make sense? I thought it was pretty cool. From tkulio@hotmail.com Sat, 09 Sep 2000 16:05:00 MDT Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 16:05:00 MDT From: Theresa Kulikowski tkulio@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) >From: Kristin Ward >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) >Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:38:12 -700 > >Random question of the day: Why do the eyes of some nocturnal animals >(housecats, for example) reflect light while ours do not? > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 I wonder if cat's eyes reflect light b/c they see black and white and don't have cones to absorb the initial light. It is not absorbed by the rods, and so it is just reflected back. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From ilikeduplos@hotmail.com Sun, 10 Sep 2000 09:05:05 MDT Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 09:05:05 MDT From: Erica Fleming ilikeduplos@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] blind spot I thought the lecture on Thurs. about the Blind spot was very interesting. The video that we say amazed me and make me really begin to wonder why people have such problems. It seems that it is psychological because they can see everything else but just one spot. But then at the same time perhaps there is just one small thing wrong in one section of their brain. The whole this is truly new to me because I have heard about blind spots but only when it came to the blind spot of a car. You know, when your driving and you have a certain spot in your car that makes it hard to see another car. But to have a real blind spot in life is really unfortunate. Once again going back to the man in the video (you know the one who couldn't recognize his wife, faces, words an so on) that was so sad to see. I know that his condition was far beyond a blind spot, but I just can't imagine not being able to recall such essential things in life. For instance, he couldn't even recognize his own face! How can that be? Do you just completely forgett who you are and what you look like? Is it like amnesia to the eyes or what? It was also very sad to see him trying to get out of the stainstation. How confusing and frustrating and scary life must be when you just walk around wondering if your going the right way and just hoping to make it home. I'll bet it's almost worse than being blind because your in a sort of middle stage where things are even more difficult because you can see but you just don't understand what exactly it is that you see. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From ethanfinley@hotmail.com Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:21:53 MDT Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:21:53 MDT From: Ethan Finley ethanfinley@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Re: Cool new technology I was very interested in this message. It seems to me that it would make sense for the radio receiver to be attached to the optic nerve. This mechanism would accomplish the same "sensory" part of the visual experience that the eye does. It feeds sensory information (light) into the primary neural network. One problem with this system, however, is that, as far as I can see, it would be of no help to those with V1 (primary visual cortex) damage. It would only help people who are blind due to an occular problem. Still, this technology is fascinating! I particularly like the idea of using short wave radio to transmit the sensory information, as opposed to some wire-based system. I have a feeling that this type of technology could perhaps someday be used to provide primary sensory information for people who are deaf as well? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From candyphi@hotmail.com Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:02:36 GMT Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:02:36 GMT From: candyphi nguyen candyphi@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Thursday's lecture I think that's it amazing to see the different between visual agnosia and blindsight. For visual agnosia, you are aware of things but you could not see very well. The guy showed for visual agnosia can read each individual letter but can not read the whole word, or he aware of the location of the building, and the exit but he couldn't not see the taxi line. People with blindsight can touch the tennis ball with awareness that it's round but they see things unconsciously. Like if you are thirsty and see a glass of beer, may be you will pick it up and drink it but people with blindsight won't do that because they don't know for sure if that's a glass of beer or not. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kmarc1@yahoo.com Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:01:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:01:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Marcus Kimsey kmarc1@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] Split-Brain Patients I've seen some stuff on split brain patients, and it was very interesting. Apparently most of the time they function like everyone else, because they can see things with both eyes at once, so that both halves of their brian are engaged. If I remember correctly things get strange when one eye is covered. For example they could see something with just one eye and recognize it but not be able to say what it is because the name is stored on the other side of their brain. Or they might see something and know what to call it, but not know what to do with it for the same reason. Further this same deficit happens if they can only touch an object with one hand, with the opposite eye covered. Basically, it seems that is both halves of the brain are stimulated independently then almost everything functions normally, it's only when one half is stimulated at a time that their brain's inability to communicate between hemispheres is obvious. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From amberbarker@hotmail.com Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:45:34 GMT Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:45:34 GMT From: amber barker amberbarker@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Color Vision I suppose that if someone says they are "colorblind", it doesn't have to mean they cannot see any color at all, maybe just a few colors, or they get colors mixed up. For example, I knew a guy that was proclaimed colorblind, but now as we have talked about the color deficiencies in class, I think he may have had some specific colors he could not see. As with Dichromatism where one of the three pigments is missing and you can be red-green color blind and see the other colors. It is so interesting to note how they perceive the world in color, say how they see the colors that are combined with red or green. When we were doing the color tests in class, it sure made me realize how much I take for granted. I can see the full spectrum of color, I sure am lucky. But I would like to see, just for maybe an hour one day, how it is to see only certain colors and see in black and white. Wow, it must make quite the difference. Amber Barker 00067868 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From rstormy@hotmail.com Sun, 10 Sep 2000 16:08:51 MDT Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 16:08:51 MDT From: randon storms rstormy@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Depth Perception My nephew has a condition called strabismus which is a disorder of the muscles of the eyes in which both eyes cannot be focused on the same point at the same time. This can be corrected by glasses. Without his glasses on, it causes his eyes to lose their focus on the same point. His left eye floats over to his periphery which can cause dizziness and depth perception problems because he is not able to use his binocular cues of convergence and binocular parallax. Because he cannot focus on one focal point, his eyes focus on two points at one time where each eye is looking at or focusing at. His glasses correct this by one side on his glasses have a stronger prescription than the other side since this is a muscular imbalance. Carolyn Storms 00040181 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:19:43 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:19:43 -0600 (MDT) From: Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] Color stuff I browsed the internet looking for info about our perception of color as it applies to marketing and found some interesting stuff. How does color affect our buying behavior? Colors are psychological, influencing us to choose one product over another. Basically, in North American mainstream culture, the following qualities are associated with color: 7 Red: excitement, strength, sex, passion, speed, danger. 7 Blue: (listed as the most popular color) trust, reliability, belonging, coolness. 7 Yellow: warmth, sunshine, cheer, happiness 7 Orange: playfulness, warmth, vibrant 7 Green: nature, fresh, cool, growth, abundance 7 Purple: royal, spirituality, dignity 7 Pink: soft, sweet, nurture, security 7 White: pure, virginal, clean, youthful, mild. 7 Black: sophistication, elegant, seductive, mystery 7 Gold: prestige, expensive 7 Silver: prestige, cold, scientific Impulse shoppers respond best to red-orange, black and royal blue. Shoppers who plan and stick to budgets respond best to pink, teal, light blue and navy. Traditionalists respond to pastels - pink, rose, sky blue. One website advertized a book that tells the secrets behind: - Why fast food businesses use basically the same color scheme - Why red is the wrong color to use in ads targeting men It gave the example of a business that manufactured chocolates, sweets or anything edible with a sweet taste, that they should ideally have blue or mauve somewhere on the packet. It said that, psychologically, blue is the colour of sweetness. On the other hand you should never use green on the packet, [or in the advertising] because the mind perceives green as an astringent taste. From RGeofam06@cs.com Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:58:10 EDT Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:58:10 EDT From: RGeofam06@cs.com RGeofam06@cs.com Subject: [Psych3120] visual agnosia Are conditions such as visual agnosia caused only by an injury to the brain, or are such conditions caused by a number of things, such as heredity? How common are they? From kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:11:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:11:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Karen Griffin kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] Achromatopsia I'm not actually in your class (I'm taking another 3120), so I don't have the benefit of the lectures, but I was surprised to see that someone who once saw color could eventually lose the ability to remember the color. My reasoning is that my father died over 15 years ago, and yet I still have dreams about him. In those dreams my memory of him is very vivid. I remember exactly what he looked like and how he sounded. You would think that after 15 years some of the memory would have faded, but it hasn't. I would think that the same would be true for other visual perceptions, such as color. I'm not second-guessing Prof. Strayer, I'm just saying this surprised me. --- Mad4madimac@aol.com wrote: > I don't know if this is what you were saying, but I > thought that Pro. Strayer > said that people who had this condition could > remember colors for a while, > but after a time, colors left them completely, he > couldn't keep the colors in > his memory. > > Madison > #00155404 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:33:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:33:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Karen Griffin kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] 3D Images I have a question. I have never been able to distinguish 3D images. Others will look at the posters or photos and see what they're supposed to see, but I just don't get it. Is this because of a color perception problem, or is it an image perception problem? I'm not sure why my brain doesn't register these images. Any thoughts? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From leximonroe@hotmail.com Mon, 11 Sep 2000 03:55:30 GMT Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 03:55:30 GMT From: Lexi Monroe leximonroe@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Since education is such a huge topic right now in the Presidential elections, I thought this idea should be brought up. Many of the candidates are talking about ways to improve education in America. Many individuals think they should begin testing individuals as early as third grade. Teachers in Utah are questioning whether you can accurately test their skills. For example, can they truly pay attention for that long of time, or even sit still? Will they have to change the testing format? Maybe they should be tested for shorter periods of time. For example, when you look at developmental psychology and Piaget's theory, can kids that young pay attention to really get accurate results on their educational progress? Are they measuring what they think they are measuring? I don't know. This controversial idea on having third graders take mandatory S.A.T.'s, I thought was interesting... since especially right now since education in America is such a hot political topic. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From tarahdavis@yahoo.com Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:42:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:42:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Tarah davis tarahdavis@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] Migraines Footnote 19 in the reading "The Case of the Colorblind painter" had a few sentences about visual migraines. I myself have experienced visual migraines and wonder about the cause. According to the text, the flash like light causing loss of vision is referred to as chromatophenes. This intrigued my interest on causes of chromatophenes. I searched the internet with that specific word, but had no positive results. I did find a really helpful sight with information about headaches and migraines. This site takes a multiple cause approach in the cause of migraines(food, stress, eye problems, etc). But if you want to know about a specific area of the head and it's relation to headache and migraine cause, all you do is click on that area. So if anyone else suffers like myself, check out this site: www.headache.com.au __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From ham070@hotmail.com Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:40:31 MDT Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:40:31 MDT From: amber kresser ham070@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Migraines just curious if anyone knows why light is so blinding during a migraine, and also why sudden movements (ie. turning your head fast) tend to cause pain right behind the eye?? this could just be my symptoms. but ive noticed the most severe pain in the case of a migraine is always in my eyes, it also makes it very painful to drive at night. >From: Tarah davis >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] Migraines >Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:42:28 -0700 (PDT) > >Footnote 19 in the reading "The Case of the Colorblind >painter" had a few sentences about visual migraines. >I myself have experienced visual migraines and wonder >about the cause. According to the text, the flash >like light causing loss of vision is referred to as >chromatophenes. This intrigued my interest on causes >of chromatophenes. I searched the internet with that >specific word, but had no positive results. I did >find a really helpful sight with information about >headaches and migraines. This site takes a multiple >cause approach in the cause of migraines(food, stress, >eye problems, etc). But if you want to know about a >specific area of the head and it's relation to >headache and migraine cause, all you do is click on >that area. So if anyone else suffers like myself, >check out this site: www.headache.com.au > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! >http://mail.yahoo.com/ > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From sailoruranus@altavista.net Mon, 11 Sep 2000 04:27:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 04:27:34 -0400 (EDT) From: sailoruranus@altavista.net sailoruranus@altavista.net Subject: [Psych3120] monocular vision I found the information on depth perception and the utilization of monocular and binocular vision to be fascisnating. One thing that the chapter didn't discuss, however, was the subject of epilepsy. One of the therapies for severe epileptic seizures is to sever the corpus callosum (I have no idea if I spelled that correctly). What this means, is they sever the hemispheres of the brain directly down the middle. This therapy is very effective, as long as the patient is never placed into a situation where each hemisphere receives information completely seperate from the other hemisphere. In other words, each eye would have to be singled out and see a different object. I am unaware of what EXACTLY happens when the eyes are singled out this way. Does anyone have any information about what the ramifications of this are? Aaron Davies ---------------------------------------------------------------- Get your free email from AltaVista at http://altavista.iname.com From kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:02:26 -700 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:02:26 -700 From: Kristin Ward kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] The Amygdala The amygdala is linked to fear and alarm responses as Rosemary mentioned in her Friday posts. However, it has also been theorized that it is linked to other emotional responses as well. How could this affect other types of human interaction? From kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:09:25 -700 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:09:25 -700 From: Kristin Ward kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] Re: Cool New Technology For more information about electronic sight for the blind, see the article titled "Blind Man Perceives Objects with Camera Wired to Brain" on the online class materials. Kristin From A.Cahoon@m.cc.utah.edu Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:48:06 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:48:06 -0600 (MDT) From: A Cahoon A.Cahoon@m.cc.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) I don't know if this is a stupid question but I was wondering something. When one of your cones are damaged, you can't see color, right. So what if one of your rods are damaged, can you still see black and white? And are there any known cases of this? Amy Cahoon #00077943 From A.Cahoon@m.cc.utah.edu Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:56:00 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:56:00 -0600 (MDT) From: A Cahoon A.Cahoon@m.cc.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) I just had another question to add on to the last one. The colorblind painter couldn't distinguish between red and black, right. So I was wondering if someone couldn't see black or white, what color would they see? Amy Cahoon #00077943 From alexispaulos@hotmail.com Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:36:16 MDT Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:36:16 MDT From: Alexis Paulos alexispaulos@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Face Recognition In regard to the research which found brain activity in the amygdule when subjects looked at pictures of people of different races and sex, I think it's not a safe bet to say this explains a biological basis of irrational prejudice because it is likely that people learn these fears from society or their family environments. Thus, in some cases the brain has been conditioned to see ethnic differences as bad or something to be feared. Or possibly the lack of exposure to different ethnic people causes this reaction in the amygdule because humans have a tendency to fear what they do not know. Maybe the unfamiliar faces in itself causes fear at some level and that is why the amygdule shows activity. Who really knows?. . . but it would be a really interesting study to follow up on. >From: "Rosemary Russo" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] Face Recognition >Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:55:48 GMT > >I found a research article from the Massachusetts General Hospital about >new >information on how our brain reacts when we see faces of people. In the >article it says that they used an fMRI to analyze areas of brain activity >when participants would look at pictures of different people and say what >gender the person was. They found that activity in the amygdla increased >when participants saw pictures of people from a different race then they >were themselves. They haven't concluded anything from the study, but it >seems rather interesting to me that brain activity increased within an area >of the brain that has been connected to fear and alarm. This might begin >to >provide a biological basis for irrational prejudice, or maybe explain some >other things related to social psych. >~Rosemary Russo~ >#00086213 > >P.S. If anyone wants to read the article its at: >http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2000/08/000825081924.htm >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From alexispaulos@hotmail.com Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:44:14 MDT Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:44:14 MDT From: Alexis Paulos alexispaulos@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) The color blind painter lost all ability to see color. His world was a boring dull grey and black, but even at that, in the story he said that the grey and black he did see still did not look right. So maybe it is a black and grey that people who are not colorblind cant see or even imagine. >From: A Cahoon >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych 3120 >Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) >Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:56:00 -0600 (MDT) > >I just had another question to add on to the last one. The colorblind >painter couldn't distinguish between red and black, right. So I was >wondering if someone couldn't see black or white, what color would they >see? >Amy Cahoon #00077943 > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From david.strayer@psych.utah.edu Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:07:06 -0600 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:07:06 -0600 From: David Strayer david.strayer@psych.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] [Fwd: [INFOVIZ] Fwd: Chicago Tribune | Nation World -- Nursing mistakes kill,injure t housands (fwd)] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C143F0E1297DC9938CEDDD51 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Below is an excerpt from an article discussing real-world about issues of perception, attention, and human factors engineering that is relevant to the upcoming class lectures. --Dave > >"To compensate for understaffing, hospitals often rely on machines with > >warning alarms to help monitor patients' vital signs. At least 216 patient > >deaths and 429 injuries have occurred in hospitals where registered nurses > >failed to hear alarms built into lifesaving equipment, such as respirators > >and blood-oxygen monitors. At a New York hospital in September last year, a patient died unnoticed of a heart attack even though a respiratory alarm sounded. A sole > nurse assigned to monitor 10 patients told federal > >investigators she did not hear the alarm because she was attending to > >another patient in distress." > > > > > >http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/article/0,2669,ART-46844,FF.h > >tml > > > > < >thousands.htm>> > > > > --------------C143F0E1297DC9938CEDDD51 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="ds2144.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for David Strayer Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ds2144.vcf" begin:vcard n:Strayer;David tel;fax:(801) 581-5841 tel;home:(801) 364-0654 tel;work:(801) 581-5037 x-mozilla-html:TRUE adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:strayer@psych.utah.edu fn:Dave Strayer end:vcard --------------C143F0E1297DC9938CEDDD51-- From marcisparks@hotmail.com Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:19:04 MDT Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:19:04 MDT From: Marci Sparks marcisparks@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] color blindness For many years, I wondered if I was color blind, I had a hard time distinguishing reds and greens, especially when they were near other colors, but, I was always told that I could not be color blind because I am female. Finally a couple of months ago I was tested, and told that I am red/green color blind, but, it is borderline, not as drastic as others. Maybe because it isn't as severe as others, but, I know that fire engines are red, or stop lights, but, when red and green are together, or next to other colors is when I have problems, people say that something is one color, while to me, it appears different. Marci Sparks #00183759 >From: "alanna wilson" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] color blindness >Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 15:38:53 MDT > >So Dichromatism is a color definciency at the retina level. Why is it more >common in males than in females? Why, in general, do males suffer from >color >blindness more than females? In the case of this one photopigment is >missing >and the most common color blindness in red/green. The cones that are absent >are the medium (green) and the long (red) ones. If someone has this type of >colorblindness what does the person actually see since they can't see red >or >green? Do they see black, grey, or a mixture of colors? Take for example a >fire truck. Now everyone knows that fire trucks are red. Since a person >with >dichromatism can't see red what color do they see? In other words, do they >know the truck is red and just can't see the color? Does anyone have the >answer to this question? >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From becky@lumintech.com Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:54:28 -0600 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:54:28 -0600 From: Becky Alder becky@lumintech.com Subject: [Psych3120] The colorblind painter I finished reading the colorblind painter this weekend and found the story really interesting but not surprising. I was thinking about how at first he was really upset about loosing his color vision and toward the end was no longer dreaming in color and no longer frustrated about the loss. He had just learned to adapt. In fact when the option arose for him to possibly receive his color sight back he turned down the opportunity. I believe we are all creatures of adaptation. When I went to live in a foreign country I was at first really frustrated that I didn't understand the language and culture. I was upset that I was there, and that nothing was making any sense. I lived in this country on two separate occasions and toward the end of my second stay and after two years of being there I was reading, writing, speaking, and dreaming at night in this other language. In fact I had fears of changing my lifestyle and moving back to the USA as my English speech began to waver and my grammar and spelling was atrocious. I think that it is amazing that can adapt so well to survive most circumstances. From amberbarker@hotmail.com Tue, 12 Sep 2000 01:45:30 GMT Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 01:45:30 GMT From: amber barker amberbarker@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] V1 How interesting it is that vision is split between two different pathways. It is amazing that the primary visual cortex properties are for the simple properties of objects such as lines, edges, orientation. The example given was if you had a dog in front of you and you only had access to your V1 pathway, that you wouldn't be able to tell it was a dog, but you could see it's lines, edges, and outline. If you were only able to see from that view how the world would be a tangled mess of lines and shapes, but nothing would come together or make sense. Amber Barker 00067868 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From hansen86@freeport.com Tue, 12 Sep 2000 03:41:29 GMT Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 03:41:29 GMT From: Kyle Hansen hansen86@freeport.com Subject: [Psych3120] interesting i found tuesday's guest leture to be very interesting. Mostly what i liked was the explaining of the differences between additive and subtractive color mixing. How yellow and blue when added together creates white, but when it's in a subtractive context the new color is green. I also was interested to her about Dichromatism. I know that my grandfather had this disease and I am wondering is it genetically inherent? I know that it is more common in males than females but I am wondering if my risk for having this disease is any greater because of grandfather. any response would be appreciated. From JRWoods@aol.com Tue, 12 Sep 2000 03:33:25 EDT Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 03:33:25 EDT From: JRWoods@aol.com JRWoods@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] [Fwd: [INFOVIZ] Fwd: Chicago Tribune | Nation World -- Nursing mistakes kill,injure t housands (fwd)] Good Evening, I am responding to Dr. Strayer's article exerp from the Thoracic ICU at LDS Hospital. I would like to let it be known that perception and attention changes do occur in humans, especially those of us who work around alarms and electronic beeps. When I initially began working here I jumped at every alarm, which is what most of our visiting family members do. But now I have become desensitized, to a degree, and now rarely take alarm when a machine has sensed that a patients parameters have exceeded a minimum or maximum level. Also a respirator alarm is rarely congrouous with a heart attack, and if the patient in question was known to have heart problems other forms of measuring heart activity would have been much more effective. In closing, I do agree that we all become accustomed to certain sounds, i.e. the hum of a refrigerator, the sound of a fish tank, cars driving by, and that our levels of attention and perception can be greatly effected by this acclamating effect. But I wo! uld question the accuracy of the numbers of accidents and deaths in connection with nurse error due to said acclamation. Chris. From mismash1@hotmail.com Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:12:51 MDT Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:12:51 MDT From: chris mismash mismash1@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Achromatopsia The reading on the color blind painter made it sound like he quickly forget color... and even the concept of what color was, like a person who had never seen color. They even said the idea of grey (what we would consider what he saw in) was lost on him. I wonder if the brain does this as an adaptation to survive (i.e. stay sane). I wonder if it has information(memory) on color, but disregards it so that the world is consistent... CM ******************************** From: Mad4madimac@aol.com Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Achromatopsia Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:50:15 EDT I don't know if this is what you were saying, but I thought that Pro. Strayer said that people who had this condition could remember colors for a while, but after a time, colors left them completely, he couldn't keep the colors in his memory. Madison #00155404 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From mismash1@hotmail.com Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:19:30 MDT Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:19:30 MDT From: chris mismash mismash1@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Sensitivity of the brain Mr. I was a big sport fan. It said he spent a lot of time talking to boxers. He found, and it is known, for boxers to go through periods of brief to extended color blindness. I would agree that those kind of jarring injuries probably do cause a lot of subtle brain damage. CM ****************************************** From: "Marci Sparks" Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] Sensitivity of the brain Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 12:11:59 MDT Throughout the things that people keep discussing regarding Finius Cage and Mr. I, I can't help but think of other people who have had problems because of damage to certain areas of the brain. Boxers and football players for example, my father was a semi professional boxer for many years, and now suffers from MS. No correlation has ever been made to brain damage in people who have MS, but, there have been speculations that because of the breakdown of the blood brain barrier when they were hit in the head, certain toxins got into the brain, and may cause the neural problems that they now have. It is purely speculation at this point, but, I do find it interesting, because, I could see toxins entering through the blood brain barrier being the cause of many unexplainable neurological disorders. Look at Mohammad Ali for example, studies have been conducted with football players and boxers, that have shown that they are affected in more ways than was realized a few years ago because of being hit in the head. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From mismash1@hotmail.com Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:31:32 MDT Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:31:32 MDT From: chris mismash mismash1@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Cool new technology That's pretty exciting. I was watching a program on discovery called the real million dollar man. In that multi-episode show they went over implanted chips to the optical nerve that allowed not only for "normal" vision, but vision of more of the color spectrum (infra and UV). In addition they we allowing for features like zoom and record. They also had similar implants for the ear. I used to wonder what would happen to someone who was exposed to all that extra input at once, but our discussion of Mr.. I has given me a clue. Like him, im sure their whole world would be upside down for a year or so, but after time they would not be able to see the world the way it was before. Our brains seem to be able to adapt under very dynamic requirements. Mr. I felt he had a gift. His night vision was remarkable, and when a partial "cure" for his condition was offered he scoffed at the idea. It makes me wonder how far the use of the brain and its inputs could be extended... CM ********************************************** From: Jon Lindberg Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] Cool new technology Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 00:01:10 -0600 I tried sending this from another location than my home, so if this is the second time you have seen it, please forgive me. I was reading through my new issue of Popular Mechanics for 10/00 today and came across something that is rather applicable to our discussion of the eye. Evidently, scientists in Brussels have created a new type of visual assistance device for the blind. This device is a camera, which is mounted on a pair of glasses. This camera transmits the image it sees to via a short range radio transmitter to a surgically implanted receiver. The neat thing about the receiver is that rather than connecting it to the patients visual cortex, it is connected to the patiens optical nerve. Pretty neat, eh? I have one question though. Do you think the reason that they connected the receiver to the optical nerve rather than the visual cortex is because of the complexity and delicate nature of the visual cortex? The article didn't say, but I thought it was worth mentioning here anyway. Hopefully some of the visually impaired people I work with can be fitted with this device in the next ten to fifteen years. If anyone is interested in the article, its on page 22 of the October 2000 Popular Mechanics. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From mismash1@hotmail.com Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:46:52 MDT Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:46:52 MDT From: chris mismash mismash1@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Achromatopsia My guess on this one is that a loss of a loved one does not change the consistency of our "sensed" reality. Our brain can accept te concept of someone existing without being in eyesight, therefore when someone is permanently gone reality is maintained. Im sure the exactness of the memory will become blurred over time though (it does for me). On the other hand the loss of color resulted in a total switch in reality. There were no traces of color. Mr. I felt this change and inconsistency for the first year of so (according to the reading) then his body adapted to the changes. So, for him, and his brain, color never existed, the idea of color didn't even exist... the concept of grey was even forin to him. ******************************************** From: Karen Griffin Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Achromatopsia Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:11:23 -0700 (PDT) I'm not actually in your class (I'm taking another 3120), so I don't have the benefit of the lectures, but I was surprised to see that someone who once saw color could eventually lose the ability to remember the color. My reasoning is that my father died over 15 years ago, and yet I still have dreams about him. In those dreams my memory of him is very vivid. I remember exactly what he looked like and how he sounded. You would think that after 15 years some of the memory would have faded, but it hasn't. I would think that the same would be true for other visual perceptions, such as color. I'm not second-guessing Prof. Strayer, I'm just saying this surprised me. --- Mad4madimac@aol.com wrote: >I don't know if this is what you were saying, but I >thought that Pro. Strayer >said that people who had this condition could >remember colors for a while, >but after a time, colors left them completely, he >couldn't keep the colors in >his memory. > > Madison >#00155404 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From suzylin@uswest.net Fri, 08 Sep 2000 16:05:08 +0000 Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 16:05:08 +0000 From: Susan Lindberg suzylin@uswest.net Subject: [Psych3120] New Technology- Jon Lindberg Hi all, I was reading through my issue of Popular Mechanics for the 10/00 p. 22 and I came across something that is very applicable to our current discussion of the eye. Evidently, an artificial vision device is gaining quite a bit of attention in Brussels. This device uses a small video camera to capture images and uses a short range radio transmitter, mounted on glasses, to transmit the camera image to a surgically implanted receiving antenna. The antenna's output is not connected to the patients visual cortex, rather the scientists have created the device to attach to the patients optic nerve. The article doesn't say much more than that, but I was wondering if they were connecting the antenna to the patients optic nerve rather than the visual cortex becuase it is easier to "deal with". Incidentally, and off topic, this is Jon Lindberg and I am trying to send this message from my parents home, so I really hope this works! From refertofriend@reply.yahoo.com Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:29:54 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:29:54 -0600 (MDT) From: Yahoo! News refertofriend@reply.yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] Yahoo! 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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republican presidential candidate George W. Bush (news - web sites) said on Tuesday his campaign had dropped a television ad in which the word ``RATS'' flashes across the screen in an apparent subliminal message attacking his opponent.

In the advertisement, an image of Democratic presidential candidate Vice President Al Gore (news - web sites) is followed by fragments of the words ``Bureaucrats decide'', with the word ``RATS'' flashing on the screen before the entire word ``bureaucrats'' appears.

Speaking to reporters in Orlando, Florida, Bush said he was convinced the inclusion of the word ``RATS'' was not intentional, but said the advertisement would no longer be used.

``This ad is coming out of rotation, it turns out any way,'' said Bush. ``In other words, it is not going to be played any more.''

``Conspiracy theories abound in America's politics. I don't think we need to be subliminal about the differences between our views on prescription drugs. That's where the debate ought to be,'' he added.

Earlier, Bush said on ABC's ``Good Morning America'' program that he first heard about the advertisement when he woke up on Tuesday.

``Campaigns take bizarre twists and this has to be one of the more bizarre accusations,'' the Texas governor said. ``We don't need to be manufacturing subliminal messages to get my message across.''

Gore spokesman Chris Lehane said the Gore camp was disappointed by the advertisement. ``We have never seen anything like this. The ad speaks for itself,'' Lehane said, without commenting further.

The New York Times carried a front-page story on Tuesday under the banner headline ``Democrats See, and Smell, Rats in G.O.P. Ad.''

The Times said an eagle-eyed Democrat in Seattle had examined the advertisement frame-by-frame and spotted the word ''RATS'' appearing on the screen.

Alex Castellanos, who produced the advertisement for the Republican National Committee, told the New York Times the use of the word ``RATS'' was ``purely accidental.''

``We don't play ball that way. I'm not that clever,'' he said.

Bush told reporters that he did not think the people who produced the ad should be fired as he had accepted their word that the word ``RATS'' had not appeared on purpose.

It was the second publicity gaffe to hit the Bush campaign in a week.

Last week Bush also got himself into trouble when he was overheard using an expletive in taking about a New York Times reporter that was caught on a live microphone.

The Texas governor was unaware his microphone was live when he leaned over to his running mate, Dick Cheney (news - web sites), at a Labor Day rally and said: ``There's Adam Clymer, major league asshole from the New York Times.''

Cheney replied ``Oh yeah, he is, big time.''

Later Bush said he regretted everyone heard his comment but sidestepped a question about whether he would apologize to the journalist.

Bush, who has said on several occasions he wants to change the tone in Washington to one of ``civility and respect,'' was unhappy with a series of articles by Clymer who was critical of his record as governor.

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Tuesday September 12 10:23 AM ET
Bush Says Ad in Rat Flap Will Be Changed Bush Says Ad in Rat Flap Will Be Changed

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republican presidential candidate George W. Bush (news - web sites) said on Tuesday his campaign had dropped a television ad in which the word ``RATS'' flashes across the screen in an apparent subliminal message attacking his opponent.

In the advertisement, an image of Democratic presidential candidate Vice President Al Gore (news - web sites) is followed by fragments of the words ``Bureaucrats decide'', with the word ``RATS'' flashing on the screen before the entire word ``bureaucrats'' appears.

Speaking to reporters in Orlando, Florida, Bush said he was convinced the inclusion of the word ``RATS'' was not intentional, but said the advertisement would no longer be used.

``This ad is coming out of rotation, it turns out any way,'' said Bush. ``In other words, it is not going to be played any more.''

``Conspiracy theories abound in America's politics. I don't think we need to be subliminal about the differences between our views on prescription drugs. That's where the debate ought to be,'' he added.

Earlier, Bush said on ABC's ``Good Morning America'' program that he first heard about the advertisement when he woke up on Tuesday.

``Campaigns take bizarre twists and this has to be one of the more bizarre accusations,'' the Texas governor said. ``We don't need to be manufacturing subliminal messages to get my message across.''

Gore spokesman Chris Lehane said the Gore camp was disappointed by the advertisement. ``We have never seen anything like this. The ad speaks for itself,'' Lehane said, without commenting further.

The New York Times carried a front-page story on Tuesday under the banner headline ``Democrats See, and Smell, Rats in G.O.P. Ad.''

The Times said an eagle-eyed Democrat in Seattle had examined the advertisement frame-by-frame and spotted the word ''RATS'' appearing on the screen.

Alex Castellanos, who produced the advertisement for the Republican National Committee, told the New York Times the use of the word ``RATS'' was ``purely accidental.''

``We don't play ball that way. I'm not that clever,'' he said.

Bush told reporters that he did not think the people who produced the ad should be fired as he had accepted their word that the word ``RATS'' had not appeared on purpose.

It was the second publicity gaffe to hit the Bush campaign in a week.

Last week Bush also got himself into trouble when he was overheard using an expletive in taking about a New York Times reporter that was caught on a live microphone.

The Texas governor was unaware his microphone was live when he leaned over to his running mate, Dick Cheney (news - web sites), at a Labor Day rally and said: ``There's Adam Clymer, major league asshole from the New York Times.''

Cheney replied ``Oh yeah, he is, big time.''

Later Bush said he regretted everyone heard his comment but sidestepped a question about whether he would apologize to the journalist.

Bush, who has said on several occasions he wants to change the tone in Washington to one of ``civility and respect,'' was unhappy with a series of articles by Clymer who was critical of his record as governor.

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The lines in the square did appear to bend. It was fascinating to see that happen, but could you see were you can pull back and see the square not bend? We are able to manipulate our perception of what we are seeing and not allow the lines in the square to bend. On the squares, there was always fussy, greyish, little squares in between the black squares. Even when you covered one of the rows. I wonder if there are some perceptual constancies that can not be manipulated? Leonard Cancel #00180520 >---------- >From: Casey Shupe[SMTP:cgshupe@hotmail.com] >Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 3:26 PM >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] illusions > ><><><> >I was surfing the internet and saw some more optical illusions these just >illustrate some perceptual constancies. enjoy! > > > > > >do the lines appear to bend inward? But it is a square, take a ruler to find >out > > > > > >does it appear when you first look at the object above that there are some >fuzzy marks imbetween the black squares? cover one row of the squares and see >if it is still fuzzy > > >of > >Are the purple lines bent? take a ruler to find out > >Casey Shupe 00084664 > > > > > > > > > > >
I was surfing the internet and saw >some >more optical illusions these just illustrate some perceptual constancies. >enjoy!
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> From klmacurdy@hotmail.com Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:41:33 GMT Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:41:33 GMT From: Karen Macurdy klmacurdy@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) I have read some biographies of people who regained their sight after having been blind from birth. One in particular was about a woman who was in her early forties when she had the successful operation. Her eyes registered color, but it took her quite a while to organize it properly so that it had a logical place in her world. She saw patches of green and blue and gray outside her window, but didn't understand that they were grass and water and her driveway. My hypothesis would be that such a child (who had been deprived of color stimuli since birth) would be able to sense color, but may not be able to interpret the stimulus. Karen Leishman >From: "matt garff" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) >Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 13:57:59 MDT > >The following is an interesting question. I don't have the answer but I >know that babies born deaf will make noise up to a certain age, and then >because of lack of stimuli they stop.(They don't hear any noises so they >can't attempt to mimick them, and that portion of their brain doesn't >develop). I would imagine that it would be similar for babies that are >deprived of visual information. I can't say for sure, but atrophy seems to >take it's toll on all of our systems. > >MATT GARFF 00144838 > >From: "Ethan Finley" >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 10:57:37 MDT >Subject: [Psych3120] Development of Color Vision >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >I had a question that sort of integrates the material from this course, and >the material from another course I am taking, Psychology of Childhood and >Adolescent Development. > >We talked today in my development course about the idea of a Genotypic >potential for a range of developmental responses. We also discussed how >some developmental responses (i.e. a baby's sucking response, babbling, >etc.) are more ingrained than others, and are harder for environmental >factors to divert. > >My question is this: If an infant was placed in an environment which was >not nourishing to their ability to percieve color, (i.e. a black-and-white >environment), would their ability to see color be impaired, even though >they >may have been born with healthy eyes and visual-neural pathways??? > >Would such early sensory deprivation permanently impaire their ability to >perceive color? > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From klmacurdy@hotmail.com Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:55:49 GMT Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:55:49 GMT From: Karen Macurdy klmacurdy@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) If decisions about a child's future education were based solely on his or her raw score, then I think this would be a potentially disasterous system without the modifications mentioned by Lexi. However, the SATs taken in grade school right now are scored on the curve. The scores reveal how a child is doing in a particular subject compared to other children the same age. As a tracking system, I think standardized testing is legitimate. Karen Leishman >From: "Lexi Monroe" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) >Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 03:55:30 GMT > >Since education is such a huge topic right now in the Presidential >elections, I thought this idea should be brought up. Many of the >candidates >are talking about ways to improve education in America. Many individuals >think they should begin testing individuals as early as third grade. >Teachers in Utah are questioning whether you can accurately test their >skills. For example, can they truly pay attention for that long of time, >or even sit still? Will they have to change the testing format? Maybe they >should be tested for shorter periods of time. For example, when you look at >developmental psychology and Piaget's theory, can kids that young pay >attention to really get accurate results on their educational progress? >Are >they measuring what they think they are measuring? I don't know. This >controversial idea on having third graders take mandatory S.A.T.'s, I >thought was interesting... since especially right now since education in >America is such a hot political topic. >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From klmacurdy@hotmail.com Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:02:25 GMT Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:02:25 GMT From: Karen Macurdy klmacurdy@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Well, if someone couldn't distinguish black and white--that would be essentially the same thing as not being able to distinguish light and dark. The rods do stop giving information when the retina detaches, and blindness results. When someone is completely blind, which includes not being able to distinguish light and dark, the color they see is black--which is, of course, essentially the absence of all colors and shading. I have never heard of someone having functioning cones, but not rods. Because rods are located throughout the retina, it seems like a very unlikely occurence. But I'm certainly not an expert, and that doesn't mean it has never happened. Karen Leishman >From: A Cahoon >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych 3120 >Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) >Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:56:00 -0600 (MDT) > >I just had another question to add on to the last one. The colorblind >painter couldn't distinguish between red and black, right. So I was >wondering if someone couldn't see black or white, what color would they >see? >Amy Cahoon #00077943 > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From klmacurdy@hotmail.com Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:20:39 GMT Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:20:39 GMT From: Karen Macurdy klmacurdy@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] 3D Images I have never been able to see them either. And often I don't see the optical illusions that require focusing for long periods of time. I have been told this is because I blink too much, which is probably at least partly related to wearing contacts. Do you have trouble focusing for a long time? Or do you wear contacts? These seem like more likely reasons, or at least easier to remedy, than problems with color perception. Can you see in 3D when you look at the 3D pictures while wearing the funky glasses? Karen Leishman >From: Karen Griffin >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] 3D Images >Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:33:55 -0700 (PDT) > >I have a question. I have never been able to >distinguish 3D images. Others will look at the >posters or photos and see what they're supposed to >see, but I just don't get it. Is this because of a >color perception problem, or is it an image perception >problem? I'm not sure why my brain doesn't register >these images. Any thoughts? > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! >http://mail.yahoo.com/ > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From klmacurdy@hotmail.com Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:48:26 GMT Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:48:26 GMT From: Karen Macurdy klmacurdy@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] color blind Just a note on how color blindness is inherited: color blindness is a recessive gene sometimes present on the X chromosome. Because males have one X and one Y chromosome, they will be color blind if the that gene is present. However, because women have two X chromosomes, they will only be color blind if both X's have the color blind gene. If only one X has it, they will only be a carrier. If a male is colorblind, he definitely inherited it from his mother. However, his mother may have inherited from her father (who would have been color blind) OR from her mother, who may have just been a carrier. If a female is color blind, then her father must have been color blind and her mother must have been a carrier (or color blind as well). So. Color blindness is always inherited through the mother, but not necessarily through the maternal grandfather. Karen Leishman >From: "Rachel Marie Lovato" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] color blind >Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 04:08:55 GMT > >This is in response to Greg's posting about color blindness. My husbands >brother is colorblind. We are all great friends and we get together a lot. >One of our favorite activities is playing a Nintendo game called Mario >Party, anyway it is quite humorous to me because he is red/green colorblind >and he has trouble distinguishing between Mario who is red, and Luigi who >is >green. There are many boards that depend on color that he struggles with >those as well. He is quite a good sport about it all, and he usually ends >up winning anyway..but we enjoy giving him a hard time about it. (His >mother's father is colorblind and that is where he probably inherited it.) >He does have a problem with some purples as well--they look blue to him and >consequentially he sometimes needs help dressing, because he sometimes >can't >tell when things match or not. He will sometimes argue about what color >something is..and I can't even imagine not being able to see the full >spectrum....just one of those things that we take for granted. > >Rachel Lovato > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "Greg Leigh" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] color blind >Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 19:11:37 MDT > >As far as being colorblind, I have been tested as red/green colorblind >and/or all colors, all hues colorblind (I'm not quite sure which is more >accurate, it's been a while), but I can't see the difference between blue >and purple either. Keep in mind, however, that just because someone is >red/green colorblind, doesn't mean that they don't have problems with other >colors. In fact, I can see a basic red and a basic green. I only have >problems when colors are close in shade to other colors. The only color I >can't see is purple. It looks blue to me as well. > >Also, as far as what I know from genetics, and I could be wrong, since >colorblindness is a disorder passed from grandfather through the mother to >the son (on the X chromosome), the recipient will get whatever disorder the >grandfather had. So, it would seem to me that the absence of either of the >red or green cones (which lead to red/green colorblindness) are either >dominant or more frequently passed on. It would seem possible, though >unlikely, that if people with that disorder didn't have any kids, and those >who had an absence of the blue cone passed it on more, it would be more >common. I would think that because the absence of either of the first two >lead to the colorblindness, that particular disorder becomes more commonly >passed along, but not necessarily by probability. In other words, there >probably isn't an even distribution of colorblindness with respect to the >three cones to make a probability statement, or whatever caused the >disorder >in the first place affected the other two more often. Does that make any >sense? > >Greg > >>From: "Kelly Rennie" >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>Subject: Re: [Psych3120] color blind >>Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 12:50:53 MDT >> >>Can Your friend still see reds? If so, then the red component of the >>purple >>color is intact and it would, by default, have to be the blue cones that >>were missing. >> >>I have a question, if anyone is familiar with genetics. Could the >>red/green >>color blindness be the most common of the deficiencies due to probability? >>What I mean is, there are only three kinds of cones, and either one of two >>of those cones needs to be affected for red/green color blindness, which >>would give a 2/3 chance of color blindness, if you were just randomly >>choosing cones. Does that make sense? Any comments? >> >> >>>From: "laura barron" >>>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>>Subject: [Psych3120] color blind >>>Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 12:33:02 MDT >>> >>>i have a friend that is color blind, but cna't see any difference between >>>blue and purple. are the blue cones missing that cause the vision >>>problem? >>> >>>-laura barron 00037675 >>> >>> >>>From: "F.C.S. S.L.C." >>>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>>Subject: [Psych3120] Achromatopsia >>>Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 18:04:07 GMT >>> >>>If someone has a brain injury and becomes colorblind (like the colorblind >>>painter), will they still be able to see color in their dreams, memories. >>>_________________________________________________________________________ >>>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >>> >>>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>>http://profiles.msn.com. >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Psych3120 mailing list >>>Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>>http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 >>> >>>_________________________________________________________________________ >>>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >>> >>>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>>http://profiles.msn.com. >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Psych3120 mailing list >>>Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>>http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 >> >>_________________________________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >> >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>http://profiles.msn.com. >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Psych3120 mailing list >>Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Mad4madimac@aol.com Tue, 12 Sep 2000 19:53:16 EDT Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 19:53:16 EDT From: Mad4madimac@aol.com Mad4madimac@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] [Fwd: [INFOVIZ] Fwd: Chicago Tribune | Nation World -- Nursin... Another opinion on the article.... My husband is a physician and questioned whether the numbers in this article are high enough. He works with these types of machines, the ones with bells and whistles, as he is an Anesthesiologist. He pointed out that the nursing staff is overworked and given to much to do, too many patients. This makes it difficult for them to be in so many places at one time and to meet the needs of their patients. Also, there are so many false alarms with these machines that they get used to hearing them and may not respond immediately. Madison #00155404 From artemishae@yahoo.com Tue, 12 Sep 2000 16:54:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 16:54:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Kelly Symes artemishae@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] interesting when Sarah said that blue is opposite yellow and green is opposite red, did she really mean green or did she mean cyan. I don't know how 2 of the main 3 colors of light can be complementary pairs. Doesn't it have to be a primary color and then the combination of the other two two make the primary's complimentary? --- Kyle Hansen wrote: > i found tuesday's guest leture to be very > interesting. > Mostly what i liked was the explaining of the > differences > between additive and subtractive color mixing. How > yellow > and blue when added together creates white, but when > it's > in a subtractive context the new color is green. I > also > was interested to her about Dichromatism. I know > that my > grandfather had this disease and I am wondering is > it > genetically inherent? I know that it is more > common in > males than females but I am wondering if my risk for > having > this disease is any greater because of grandfather. > > any response would be appreciated. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From klmacurdy@hotmail.com Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:59:48 GMT Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:59:48 GMT From: Karen Macurdy klmacurdy@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Color stuff what are the addresses of these web sites? I would like to check some of them out. >From: Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] Color stuff >Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:19:43 -0600 (MDT) > > >I browsed the internet looking for info about our >perception of color as it applies to marketing and found >some interesting stuff. How does color affect our buying >behavior? Colors are psychological, influencing us to >choose one product over another. >Basically, in North American mainstream culture, the >following qualities are associated with color: >7 Red: excitement, strength, sex, passion, speed, >danger. >7 Blue: (listed as the most popular color) trust, >reliability, belonging, coolness. >7 Yellow: warmth, sunshine, cheer, happiness >7 Orange: playfulness, warmth, vibrant >7 Green: nature, fresh, cool, growth, abundance >7 Purple: royal, spirituality, dignity >7 Pink: soft, sweet, nurture, security >7 White: pure, virginal, clean, youthful, mild. >7 Black: sophistication, elegant, seductive, mystery >7 Gold: prestige, expensive >7 Silver: prestige, cold, scientific >Impulse shoppers respond best to red-orange, black and >royal blue. Shoppers who plan and stick to budgets >respond best to pink, teal, light blue and navy. >Traditionalists respond to pastels - pink, rose, sky >blue. > >One website advertized a book that tells the secrets >behind: >- Why fast food businesses use basically the same color >scheme >- Why red is the wrong color to use in ads targeting men > >It gave the example of a business that manufactured >chocolates, sweets or anything edible with a sweet >taste, that they should ideally have blue or mauve >somewhere on the packet. It said that, psychologically, >blue is the colour of sweetness. On the other hand you >should never use green on the packet, [or in the >advertising] because the mind perceives green as an >astringent taste. > > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From artemishae@yahoo.com Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:06:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:06:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Kelly Symes artemishae@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] monocular vision >From any of the things i have heard, it sounds like Each hemisphere has a different task ability as far as being able to name what is seen. So if someone with this leision has put infront of a screen where only one eye could see at a time and a word was flashed into each eye separatedly, one of the eyes works to the point where the person can say what it is, the other eye(side) will not be able to say what it is but will be able to write it. I don't know how accurate this is, but that is what I was told. Also the person may have problems deciding on things (ie someone picking out a shirt may pick out a white shirt with one hand and a black with the other and then be boggled as to what to wear) --- sailoruranus@altavista.net wrote: > I found the information on depth perception and the > utilization of monocular and binocular vision to be > fascisnating. One thing that the chapter didn't > discuss, however, was the subject of epilepsy. One > of the therapies for severe epileptic seizures is to > sever the corpus callosum (I have no idea if I > spelled that correctly). What this means, is they > sever the hemispheres of the brain directly down the > middle. This therapy is very effective, as long as > the patient is never placed into a situation where > each hemisphere receives information completely > seperate from the other hemisphere. In other words, > each eye would have to be singled out and see a > different object. I am unaware of what EXACTLY > happens when the eyes are singled out this way. > Does anyone have any information about what the > ramifications of this are? > > Aaron Davies > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Get your free email from AltaVista at > http://altavista.iname.com > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From artemishae@yahoo.com Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:11:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:11:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Kelly Symes artemishae@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] Depth Perception Can people with a lazy eye see out of the lazy eye? I know this may sound mean, I mean nothing offensive. But, I have always had a problem of knowing which eye to look into when you are taking to them --- randon storms wrote: > My nephew has a condition called strabismus which is > a disorder of the > muscles of the eyes in which both eyes cannot be > focused on the same point > at the same time. This can be corrected by glasses. > Without his glasses on, > it causes his eyes to lose their focus on the same > point. His left eye > floats over to his periphery which can cause > dizziness and depth perception > problems because he is not able to use his binocular > cues of convergence and > binocular parallax. Because he cannot focus on one > focal point, his eyes > focus on two points at one time where each eye is > looking at or focusing at. > His glasses correct this by one side on his glasses > have a stronger > prescription than the other side since this is a > muscular imbalance. > > Carolyn Storms > 00040181 > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own > public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From artemishae@yahoo.com Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:15:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:15:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Kelly Symes artemishae@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] Dreaming in color I don't know, I dream in color, how about you? --- CatherineW123@aol.com wrote: > Someone once told me that some people dream in black > and white while other > people dream in color. Does anyone know if this is > true? > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From kwan_carrie@hotmail.com Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:34:22 MDT Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:34:22 MDT From: Carrie Kwan kwan_carrie@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] perception During class today, as we witnessed many of our limitations in our visual perception, I thought that this theory also applies very well in other aspects of our lives. It is true that we physically see things that we are conditioned to see or expect to see. But I think that is also true that we live like that in other aspects of our lives. For instance, with the prejudice issue, if a hispanic person grew up in a primarily caucasian neighborhood where all of the people were mean and aggressive, the hispanic person may feel threatened whenever they encounter a white person, even though they may not have a reason to feel that way. They may even logically think that they are in a different environment now and people are much friendlier, but subconsciously still feel tension. Context colors our perception is a clear concept that we learned today. I think as humans, we are all conditioned with specific cues by our individual culture, background, and experiences. We react to people and situations and make our judgements a lot of times without consciously thinking. We are able to judge good or bad, right or wrong, beautiful or ugly, smart or dumb in matter of seconds. And a lot of times, we fail to see through someone else's eyes or context. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Norrisrachel@aol.com Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:18:32 EDT Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:18:32 EDT From: Norrisrachel@aol.com Norrisrachel@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] Yahoo! News Story - Bush Says Ad in Rat Flap Will Be Changed I don't know that this is the best example, as I saw the ad and you can't even see the word "rat" unless it is slowed down. I don't know that hardly anyone would really notice this attempt at subliminal messaging unless they knew about it beforehand and watched for it. From Norrisrachel@aol.com Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:26:33 EDT Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:26:33 EDT From: Norrisrachel@aol.com Norrisrachel@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] perception I was also very amazed by today's lecture. I thought how interesting it is that we think that we perceive things how they really are, but actually, we perceive things based on what we know and what we expect. I am excited to learn more about the eyewitness testimony as I agree that it should not be allowed in courts as people may perceive things differently in a situation that causes shock or stress. From sjboyer23@hotmail.com Tue, 12 Sep 2000 19:45:23 MDT Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 19:45:23 MDT From: Seth Boyer sjboyer23@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] In the field of paint I work at a paint store and last Tuesdays lecture and this Tuesdays lecture got me to think a lot about context as well as color. In my work we get to match a lot of paint to specific colors, needless to say you need to be able to match colors very well. I have struggled with this and I think it is because I am slightly color blind. But the amazing thing is that people will come in and get some paint and the come back saying that we mixed up the wrong color. This is because of the context that they are looking at it in. Because of the different color tones in a persons house the color will end up looking different then what they expected! So that the other colors and the lighting in the room make a hugh difference in what is seen. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Mexpebbles@aol.com Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:20:52 EDT Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:20:52 EDT From: Mexpebbles@aol.com Mexpebbles@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] Opponent-process theory The only thing that I understood from the Opponent-process theory was that you could not look at two colors at the same time. For example, your eyes will not let you look at red and green at the same time...and the same goes for Blue and Yellow. When one color's visibility increases, the other color decreases. I don't know if this helps or not, but I did not see anyone else responding. Hopefully someone will add to this if need be. Thanks! From Mexpebbles@aol.com Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:27:51 EDT Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:27:51 EDT From: Mexpebbles@aol.com Mexpebbles@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] 3D Images I've heard that if you have problems with your vision, whether it be nearsighted or farsighted, that you will have a hard time seeing the 3D Images. I personally can't see them either, but I also wear contacts and have to blink too much. That might be the problem as Karen was mentioning. From Mexpebbles@aol.com Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:39:56 EDT Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:39:56 EDT From: Mexpebbles@aol.com Mexpebbles@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] September 12th class... I found today's class very beneficial. I enjoy classes where we have visuals to go along with what we are learning. It helps me understand the concepts better. It was fun to learn about perception and realize that what we see may not really be what is there, but what we "think" is there. It blows my mind to think about it! Anyway, I just wanted to say that. Does anyone else agree? From ham070@hotmail.com Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:47:23 MDT Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:47:23 MDT From: amber kresser ham070@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] September 12th class... why yes ang, i too agree. but seriously it was nice to have examples to go with the lecture. i like learning about this stuff and i have happy to be done with the eye. amber >From: Mexpebbles@aol.com >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] September 12th class... >Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:39:56 EDT > >I found today's class very beneficial. I enjoy classes where we have >visuals >to go along with what we are learning. It helps me understand the concepts >better. It was fun to learn about perception and realize that what we see >may not really be what is there, but what we "think" is there. It blows my >mind to think about it! Anyway, I just wanted to say that. Does anyone >else >agree? > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From ham070@hotmail.com Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:58:24 MDT Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:58:24 MDT From: amber kresser ham070@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Color stuff, i have a friend who is working in industrial psychology, and part of what she does is help provide positive working environments. so she deals a lot with colors and how different colors create certain moods. for example, white is supposed to promote productivity and greater attention span. that is part of the reason schools usually have white walls. there are a lot more examples but i just dont know them right now, sorry. not along the same lines really, but has anyone taken the color test? its supposed to group you into a certain category for personality and stuff. red meaning dominant, white submissive or peacemaker...etc. anyways, just curious. thanks >From: "Karen Macurdy" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Color stuff >Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:59:48 GMT > >what are the addresses of these web sites? I would like to check some of >them out. > > >>From: Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>Subject: [Psych3120] Color stuff >>Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:19:43 -0600 (MDT) >> >> >>I browsed the internet looking for info about our >>perception of color as it applies to marketing and found >>some interesting stuff. How does color affect our buying >>behavior? Colors are psychological, influencing us to >>choose one product over another. >>Basically, in North American mainstream culture, the >>following qualities are associated with color: >>7 Red: excitement, strength, sex, passion, speed, >>danger. >>7 Blue: (listed as the most popular color) trust, >>reliability, belonging, coolness. >>7 Yellow: warmth, sunshine, cheer, happiness >>7 Orange: playfulness, warmth, vibrant >>7 Green: nature, fresh, cool, growth, abundance >>7 Purple: royal, spirituality, dignity >>7 Pink: soft, sweet, nurture, security >>7 White: pure, virginal, clean, youthful, mild. >>7 Black: sophistication, elegant, seductive, mystery >>7 Gold: prestige, expensive >>7 Silver: prestige, cold, scientific >>Impulse shoppers respond best to red-orange, black and >>royal blue. Shoppers who plan and stick to budgets >>respond best to pink, teal, light blue and navy. >>Traditionalists respond to pastels - pink, rose, sky >>blue. >> >>One website advertized a book that tells the secrets >>behind: >>- Why fast food businesses use basically the same color >>scheme >>- Why red is the wrong color to use in ads targeting men >> >>It gave the example of a business that manufactured >>chocolates, sweets or anything edible with a sweet >>taste, that they should ideally have blue or mauve >>somewhere on the packet. It said that, psychologically, >>blue is the colour of sweetness. On the other hand you >>should never use green on the packet, [or in the >>advertising] because the mind perceives green as an >>astringent taste. >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Psych3120 mailing list >>Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jjfoust@ix.netcom.com Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:26:01 -0600 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:26:01 -0600 From: Jaime C. Foust jjfoust@ix.netcom.com Subject: [Psych3120] Optical Illusions I was very interested in the class lecture today. It is so amazing to learn how much our eyes can incorrectly perceive things. I found this web site on the internet which contains some of the illusions covered in class as well as some additional ones. http://www.funkypages.com/hahaha.php?page=/index.php From jjfoust@ix.netcom.com Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:21:26 -0600 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:21:26 -0600 From: Jaime C. Foust jjfoust@ix.netcom.com Subject: [Psych3120] Oscillating Window Out of all the illusions we saw in class today, the oscillating window was one of the most bizarre. Some of the illusions you can train your eye to see, however, with the oscillating window, I noticed the only time I could bring my eyes back to the reality of the fan turning in a circle was when I focused on the top corner of the larger end. I tried to focus on the smaller end, and follow it around the circle, but no matter how many times I tried, this didn't work. I just thought this was really interesting. I have previously seen a few of the illusions shown, but today was the first time I saw the window illusion. I also want to add that I agree with everyone who mentioned how much the visuals aid in learning and understanding. The lecture today was outstanding and interesting. Jaime Foust From garffdog@hotmail.com Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:42:17 MDT Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:42:17 MDT From: matt garff garffdog@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] color constancy I had an interesting experience more than a few years ago relating to color constancy. I remember the basics of the story but not the specifics. Anyway, as I was walking into the kitchen I saw an object on the table that had the oddest color. For a few moments I could not identify it. After looking at it intently, I recognised it as a piece of fruit and at that very same moment the color changed to the appropriate color of the fruit, and I could not get it to return to the color I had seen. The blinds were closed, allowing very little light to come in, and the lights were off. Apparently, the wavelengths reflecting off the fruit were different than what I was used to, which made it so hard to identify, but once I recognized it my brain "fixed" the image in my head and would not allow me to see it "as it was" again. What an amazing tool the brain is. MATT GARFF 00144838 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From rlovat2@hotmail.com Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:31:09 GMT Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:31:09 GMT From: Rachel Marie Lovato rlovat2@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Color stuff, This is in response to Amber Kresser's message: I know of an online site that you can go to to take a color test if anyone is interested: http://www.emode.com/ There is one called "what's your true color" which is kinda what Amber is talking about. There are also a lot of other silly tests that I enjoy taking, between studying. Rachel Lovato ----Original Message Follows---- From: "amber kresser" Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Color stuff, Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:58:24 MDT i have a friend who is working in industrial psychology, and part of what she does is help provide positive working environments. so she deals a lot with colors and how different colors create certain moods. for example, white is supposed to promote productivity and greater attention span. that is part of the reason schools usually have white walls. there are a lot more examples but i just dont know them right now, sorry. not along the same lines really, but has anyone taken the color test? its supposed to group you into a certain category for personality and stuff. red meaning dominant, white submissive or peacemaker...etc. anyways, just curious. thanks >From: "Karen Macurdy" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Color stuff >Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:59:48 GMT > >what are the addresses of these web sites? I would like to check some of >them out. > > >>From: Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>Subject: [Psych3120] Color stuff >>Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:19:43 -0600 (MDT) >> >> >>I browsed the internet looking for info about our >>perception of color as it applies to marketing and found >>some interesting stuff. How does color affect our buying >>behavior? Colors are psychological, influencing us to >>choose one product over another. >>Basically, in North American mainstream culture, the >>following qualities are associated with color: >>7 Red: excitement, strength, sex, passion, speed, >>danger. >>7 Blue: (listed as the most popular color) trust, >>reliability, belonging, coolness. >>7 Yellow: warmth, sunshine, cheer, happiness >>7 Orange: playfulness, warmth, vibrant >>7 Green: nature, fresh, cool, growth, abundance >>7 Purple: royal, spirituality, dignity >>7 Pink: soft, sweet, nurture, security >>7 White: pure, virginal, clean, youthful, mild. >>7 Black: sophistication, elegant, seductive, mystery >>7 Gold: prestige, expensive >>7 Silver: prestige, cold, scientific >>Impulse shoppers respond best to red-orange, black and >>royal blue. Shoppers who plan and stick to budgets >>respond best to pink, teal, light blue and navy. >>Traditionalists respond to pastels - pink, rose, sky >>blue. >> >>One website advertized a book that tells the secrets >>behind: >>- Why fast food businesses use basically the same color >>scheme >>- Why red is the wrong color to use in ads targeting men >> >>It gave the example of a business that manufactured >>chocolates, sweets or anything edible with a sweet >>taste, that they should ideally have blue or mauve >>somewhere on the packet. It said that, psychologically, >>blue is the colour of sweetness. On the other hand you >>should never use green on the packet, [or in the >>advertising] because the mind perceives green as an >>astringent taste. >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Psych3120 mailing list >>Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From neomorpheus9@hotmail.com Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:16:57 EDT Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:16:57 EDT From: Dan Felts neomorpheus9@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Color stuff, Amber, I know what you mean about the color schemes in work environments. Often times green is used, especially with industrial machinery. People I have spoken to about it mention research which supposedly shows that green makes people's eyes relax more, especially if they have to work in the same room all day long. As far as color personality tests, I have no idea. >From: "amber kresser" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Color stuff, >Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:58:24 MDT > >i have a friend who is working in industrial psychology, and part of what >she does is help provide positive working environments. so she deals a lot >with colors and how different colors create certain moods. for example, >white is supposed to promote productivity and greater attention span. that >is part of the reason schools usually have white walls. there are a lot >more >examples but i just dont know them right now, sorry. not along the same >lines really, but has anyone taken the color test? its supposed to group >you >into a certain category for personality and stuff. red meaning dominant, >white submissive or peacemaker...etc. anyways, just curious. thanks > > >>From: "Karen Macurdy" >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Color stuff >>Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:59:48 GMT >> >>what are the addresses of these web sites? I would like to check some of >>them out. >> >> >>>From: Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu >>>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>>Subject: [Psych3120] Color stuff >>>Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:19:43 -0600 (MDT) >>> >>> >>>I browsed the internet looking for info about our >>>perception of color as it applies to marketing and found >>>some interesting stuff. How does color affect our buying >>>behavior? Colors are psychological, influencing us to >>>choose one product over another. >>>Basically, in North American mainstream culture, the >>>following qualities are associated with color: >>>7 Red: excitement, strength, sex, passion, speed, >>>danger. >>>7 Blue: (listed as the most popular color) trust, >>>reliability, belonging, coolness. >>>7 Yellow: warmth, sunshine, cheer, happiness >>>7 Orange: playfulness, warmth, vibrant >>>7 Green: nature, fresh, cool, growth, abundance >>>7 Purple: royal, spirituality, dignity >>>7 Pink: soft, sweet, nurture, security >>>7 White: pure, virginal, clean, youthful, mild. >>>7 Black: sophistication, elegant, seductive, mystery >>>7 Gold: prestige, expensive >>>7 Silver: prestige, cold, scientific >>>Impulse shoppers respond best to red-orange, black and >>>royal blue. Shoppers who plan and stick to budgets >>>respond best to pink, teal, light blue and navy. >>>Traditionalists respond to pastels - pink, rose, sky >>>blue. >>> >>>One website advertized a book that tells the secrets >>>behind: >>>- Why fast food businesses use basically the same color >>>scheme >>>- Why red is the wrong color to use in ads targeting men >>> >>>It gave the example of a business that manufactured >>>chocolates, sweets or anything edible with a sweet >>>taste, that they should ideally have blue or mauve >>>somewhere on the packet. It said that, psychologically, >>>blue is the colour of sweetness. On the other hand you >>>should never use green on the packet, [or in the >>>advertising] because the mind perceives green as an >>>astringent taste. >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Psych3120 mailing list >>>Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>>http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 >> >>_________________________________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >> >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>http://profiles.msn.com. >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Psych3120 mailing list >>Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From lauraebarron@hotmail.com Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:47:52 MDT Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:47:52 MDT From: laura barron lauraebarron@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Dreaming in color it is my understanding that people dream in both black and white and color, each about 50% of the time. From: Kelly Symes Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Dreaming in color Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:15:34 -0700 (PDT) I don't know, I dream in color, how about you? --- CatherineW123@aol.com wrote: > Someone once told me that some people dream in black > and white while other > people dream in color. Does anyone know if this is > true? > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jpix@networld.com Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:50:27 -0600 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:50:27 -0600 From: Jeffrey Pixton jpix@networld.com Subject: [Psych3120] perception I thought this was a very thoughtful analogy. I just think that I might add that although we are conditioned to see or expect to see things, we still have this idea of normalcy (How people should see) that interferes with our ability to understand the other person's context. However, I think it is very worthwhile to try to view things through various contexts. Natalie Janovak -----Original Message----- From: "Carrie Kwan" To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:34:22 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] perception >During class today, as we witnessed many of our limitations in our >visual >perception, I thought that this theory also applies very well in other >aspects of our lives. It is true that we physically see things that we >are >conditioned to see or expect to see. But I think that is also true >that we >live like that in other aspects of our lives. >For instance, with the prejudice issue, if a hispanic person grew up >in a >primarily caucasian neighborhood where all of the people were mean and >aggressive, the hispanic person may feel threatened whenever they >encounter >a white person, even though they may not have a reason to feel that >way. >They may even logically think that they are in a different environment >now >and people are much friendlier, but subconsciously still feel tension. >Context colors our perception is a clear concept that we learned >today. I >think as humans, we are all conditioned with specific cues by our >individual >culture, background, and experiences. We react to people and >situations and >make our judgements a lot of times without consciously thinking. We >are able >to judge good or bad, right or wrong, beautiful or ugly, smart or dumb >in >matter of seconds. And a lot of times, we fail to see through someone >else's >eyes or context. >______________________________________________________________________ >___ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 ********************************* Get your free E-Mail and Homepage Go to http://www.networld.com ********************************* From jpix@networld.com Wed, 13 Sep 2000 09:05:42 -0600 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 09:05:42 -0600 From: Jeffrey Pixton jpix@networld.com Subject: [Psych3120] 3D Images I wear glasses for distance reading (including driving) and I have an impossible time finding patterns in random dot stereograms, yet I can see other 3D images with ease. Maybe It has to do with focusing too much on the stimulus? Natalie Janovak -----Original Message----- From: Mexpebbles@aol.com To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:27:51 EDT Subject: Re: [Psych3120] 3D Images >I've heard that if you have problems with your vision, whether it be >nearsighted or farsighted, that you will have a hard time seeing the >3D >Images. I personally can't see them either, but I also wear contacts >and >have to blink too much. That might be the problem as Karen was >mentioning. > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 ********************************* Get your free E-Mail and Homepage Go to http://www.networld.com ********************************* From jsd1022@yahoo.com Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:12:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:12:06 -0700 (PDT) From: J Doonan jsd1022@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] Tuesdays lecture I thought this lecture was one of the more interesting I've had. Professor Strayer did a great job of using the visual demonstrations to make his point. It's amazing how our perceptual process works. The visual process is an amazing thing. The most interesting illusions of the day were the trapazoid window and the table illusion (Why do the tables look so different anyway?). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From jsd1022@yahoo.com Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:20:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:20:26 -0700 (PDT) From: J Doonan jsd1022@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) In response to George W. Bush's recent advertisements using subliminal messages. I think according to what we have learned in class that such attempts to influence the public with subliminal messages is a hopeless by the Bush committee. These subliminal messages, it seems, would occur below the threshold of our conscious awareness and therefor not be processed into our memory. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From M.Burchett@m.cc.utah.edu Wed, 13 Sep 2000 09:35:58 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 09:35:58 -0600 (MDT) From: M.Burchett@m.cc.utah.edu M.Burchett@m.cc.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] Dreaming in color I'm intrigued as to where you came to this figure. Is it just by word of mouth or have you read some research on the topic? It seems to me that this would be something that would be difficult to accurately assess. It would almost necessitate individual reports regarding the amount of time an individual dreams in color or does not. It seems to me that the more likely scenario is that regardless of whether we actually dream in color or not is not the issue. The issue is whether we remember the dream in color or not. As we all know, what we actually see and what we remember seeing can be different things (think of eye witness testimony or illusions.) However if anyone knows about scientific evidence of the nature of our dreams, I would be interested in that. But my opinion is that this would be difficult to assess. Quoting laura barron : > it is my understanding that people dream in both black and white and color, > > each about 50% of the time. > > > From: Kelly Symes > Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Dreaming in color > Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:15:34 -0700 (PDT) > > I don't know, I dream in color, how about you? > --- CatherineW123@aol.com wrote: > > Someone once told me that some people dream in black > > and white while other > > people dream in color. Does anyone know if this is > > true? From jlallatin@yahoo.com Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:57:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:57:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Jon Lallatin jlallatin@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) --- J Doonan wrote: > In response to George W. Bush's recent > advertisements > using subliminal messages. > > I think according to what we have learned in class > that such attempts to influence the public with > subliminal messages is a hopeless by the Bush > committee. > > These subliminal messages, it seems, would occur > below > the threshold of our conscious awareness and > therefor > not be processed into our memory. > > _What? Ok here is another question from the study guide for the test: Contrast the symptoms of apperseptive agnosia and associative agnosia. What seems to be the major problem in each,and how might you test whether a person as one or the other? Ok. I really need to join a study group. Is there one out there? Please reply.____ _______________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from > anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 From amark2@uswest.net Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:01:03 -0600 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:01:03 -0600 From: mark archibald amark2@uswest.net Subject: [Psych3120] [Fwd: [INFOVIZ] Fwd: Chicago Tribune | Nation World -- Nursing mistakes kill,injure t housands (fwd)] That is a horrible reality, I have found the section on illusions quite fascinating. The wand circulating threw the window Paine has made me question several things I' ve thought I saw recently. Playing golf yesterday a put broke completely the opposite way it looked after inspection I concluded that it was an illusion. (I can't be that wrong) ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Strayer" To: Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 4:07 PM Subject: [Psych3120] [Fwd: [INFOVIZ] Fwd: Chicago Tribune | Nation World -- Nursing mistakes kill,injure t housands (fwd)] > Below is an excerpt from an article discussing real-world about issues of perception, attention, and human factors engineering that is relevant to the upcoming class > lectures. > --Dave > > > >"To compensate for understaffing, hospitals often rely on machines with > > >warning alarms to help monitor patients' vital signs. At least 216 patient > > >deaths and 429 injuries have occurred in hospitals where registered nurses > > >failed to hear alarms built into lifesaving equipment, such as respirators > > >and blood-oxygen monitors. At a New York hospital in September last year, a patient died unnoticed of a heart attack even though a respiratory alarm sounded. A sole > > nurse assigned to monitor 10 patients told federal > > >investigators she did not hear the alarm because she was attending to > > >another patient in distress." > > > > > > > > >http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/article/0,2669,ART-46844,FF. h > > >tml > > > > > > < > >thousands.htm>> > > > > > > > > > From amark2@uswest.net Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:03:20 -0600 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:03:20 -0600 From: mark archibald amark2@uswest.net Subject: [Psych3120] illusions This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C01D72.3A580C60 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_002D_01C01D72.3A580C60" ------=_NextPart_001_002D_01C01D72.3A580C60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable facinating ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Casey Shupe=20 To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 3:26 PM Subject: [Psych3120] illusions I was surfing the internet and saw some more optical illusions these = just illustrate some perceptual constancies. enjoy! =20 =20 do the lines appear to bend inward? 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But I had always considered the colors to be somewhat arbitrary. Personalities are separated into types, but I did not see any direct relation to the color designated for each type. Perhaps white as peacemaker is related to "waving a white flag" to call truce or surrender, but that still seems pretty arbitrary to me. The funny thing is, in the other color test I took, the colors were all different. They were blue, green, gold, and orange. Again, I thought the colors were pretty arbitrary. Karen Leishman >From: "amber kresser" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Color stuff, >Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:58:24 MDT > >i have a friend who is working in industrial psychology, and part of what >she does is help provide positive working environments. so she deals a lot >with colors and how different colors create certain moods. for example, >white is supposed to promote productivity and greater attention span. that >is part of the reason schools usually have white walls. there are a lot >more >examples but i just dont know them right now, sorry. not along the same >lines really, but has anyone taken the color test? its supposed to group >you >into a certain category for personality and stuff. red meaning dominant, >white submissive or peacemaker...etc. anyways, just curious. thanks > > >>From: "Karen Macurdy" >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Color stuff >>Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:59:48 GMT >> >>what are the addresses of these web sites? I would like to check some of >>them out. >> >> >>>From: Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu >>>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>>Subject: [Psych3120] Color stuff >>>Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:19:43 -0600 (MDT) >>> >>> >>>I browsed the internet looking for info about our >>>perception of color as it applies to marketing and found >>>some interesting stuff. How does color affect our buying >>>behavior? Colors are psychological, influencing us to >>>choose one product over another. >>>Basically, in North American mainstream culture, the >>>following qualities are associated with color: >>>7 Red: excitement, strength, sex, passion, speed, >>>danger. >>>7 Blue: (listed as the most popular color) trust, >>>reliability, belonging, coolness. >>>7 Yellow: warmth, sunshine, cheer, happiness >>>7 Orange: playfulness, warmth, vibrant >>>7 Green: nature, fresh, cool, growth, abundance >>>7 Purple: royal, spirituality, dignity >>>7 Pink: soft, sweet, nurture, security >>>7 White: pure, virginal, clean, youthful, mild. >>>7 Black: sophistication, elegant, seductive, mystery >>>7 Gold: prestige, expensive >>>7 Silver: prestige, cold, scientific >>>Impulse shoppers respond best to red-orange, black and >>>royal blue. Shoppers who plan and stick to budgets >>>respond best to pink, teal, light blue and navy. >>>Traditionalists respond to pastels - pink, rose, sky >>>blue. >>> >>>One website advertized a book that tells the secrets >>>behind: >>>- Why fast food businesses use basically the same color >>>scheme >>>- Why red is the wrong color to use in ads targeting men >>> >>>It gave the example of a business that manufactured >>>chocolates, sweets or anything edible with a sweet >>>taste, that they should ideally have blue or mauve >>>somewhere on the packet. It said that, psychologically, >>>blue is the colour of sweetness. On the other hand you >>>should never use green on the packet, [or in the >>>advertising] because the mind perceives green as an >>>astringent taste. >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Psych3120 mailing list >>>Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>>http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 >> >>_________________________________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >> >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>http://profiles.msn.com. >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Psych3120 mailing list >>Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:30:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:30:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Karen Griffin kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] September 12th class... I find it very interesting to read the comments on yesterday's lecture about how "visuals" help us learn. Considering that we've all been talking for a couple of weeks now about our eyes and how we use them to perceive our world, I thought these comments were fitting! In some respects it also drives home the points that have been made in past postings. What we see can very easily become engrained in our minds and thus much easier to recall in the future. So whether it colors, optical illusions, or even beliefs about the world around us, the visual aspect of perception is very strong! --- Mexpebbles@aol.com wrote: > I found today's class very beneficial. I enjoy > classes where we have visuals > to go along with what we are learning. It helps me > understand the concepts > better. It was fun to learn about perception and > realize that what we see > may not really be what is there, but what we "think" > is there. It blows my > mind to think about it! Anyway, I just wanted to > say that. Does anyone else > agree? > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:31:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:31:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Karen Griffin kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] 3D Images I didn't realize that vision problems were a factor in not being able to see 3D images. I do wear glasses, so maybe that's it! Thanks for sharing that with me. Karen --- Mexpebbles@aol.com wrote: > I've heard that if you have problems with your > vision, whether it be > nearsighted or farsighted, that you will have a hard > time seeing the 3D > Images. I personally can't see them either, but I > also wear contacts and > have to blink too much. That might be the problem > as Karen was mentioning. > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From must_09@hotmail.com Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:32:02 MDT Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:32:02 MDT From: mike brooks must_09@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Des anyone out there know why we perceive dreams the same as we do reality? It seems to me that we will act as if we would in the real world as when we are dreaming, I suppose logically, if it looks, acts, and alks like a duck, it is. Please send feedback _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:44:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:44:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Karen Griffin kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] 3D Images I can't really see the 3D images even when wearing the funky glasses. The vision problem scenario makes sense to me, though. I also have a hard time "visualizing." Whenever I try to do something creative, like decorating or garden design, I have to use pictures or crude drawings to be able to "see" what the outcome is going to be. I have often wondered if the two go together - do you need to have a more "creative" mind than I have to be able to visualize and to see 3D images? Perhaps (hopefully) they can both be learned. --- Karen Macurdy wrote: > I have never been able to see them either. And > often I don't see the > optical illusions that require focusing for long > periods of time. I have > been told this is because I blink too much, which is > probably at least > partly related to wearing contacts. Do you have > trouble focusing for a > long time? Or do you wear contacts? These seem > like more likely reasons, > or at least easier to remedy, than problems with > color perception. Can you > see in 3D when you look at the 3D pictures while > wearing the funky glasses? > > Karen Leishman > > > >From: Karen Griffin > >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >Subject: [Psych3120] 3D Images > >Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:33:55 -0700 (PDT) > > > >I have a question. I have never been able to > >distinguish 3D images. Others will look at the > >posters or photos and see what they're supposed to > >see, but I just don't get it. Is this because of a > >color perception problem, or is it an image > perception > >problem? I'm not sure why my brain doesn't > register > >these images. Any thoughts? > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from > anywhere! > >http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Psych3120 mailing list > >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own > public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From falsecents@hotmail.com Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:50:08 GMT Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:50:08 GMT From: F.C.S. S.L.C. falsecents@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] September 12th class... >From: Mexpebbles@aol.com >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] September 12th class... >Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:39:56 EDT > >I found today's class very beneficial. I enjoy classes where we have >visuals >to go along with what we are learning. It helps me understand the concepts >better. It was fun to learn about perception and realize that what we see >may not really be what is there, but what we "think" is there. It blows my >mind to think about it! Anyway, I just wanted to say that. Does anyone >else >agree? > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 I agree the lecture was great. The examples and visuals helped me to understand these concepts much better. I felt a little lost on a few things, but the lecture cured my problems. I have enjoyed learning about perception. I find it especially interesting the way our mind fills in visual stimulus that is not there (like the example with the triangles). _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:10:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:10:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Karen Griffin kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] Yahoo! News Story - Bush Says Ad in Rat Flap Will Be Changed I think Bush's ad will be either effective or ineffective depending on which side of the fence you sit. For those who perceive the democrats, and particularly Al Gore and Bill Clinton, as the bad guys, the reference to them as "rats" will hit home. Their perception of the democrats be reinforced. For those who like the democrats, the ad will reinforce their beliefs as well by ignoring the reference as just being political. However, this is all dependent on whether or not your mind picks up the message in the first place. Like Sperling's tests showed (I don't know if you've covered these in you class yet or not), the mind may see the entire image (the message), but I believe that unless you pay attention to it and deem it to be important, it may never get processed in the first place. Karen Griffin --- Yahoo! News wrote:
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Based on what we've discussed in class (and will discuss in the next few weeks) was Bush's attempt at subliminal advertising worth the effort? That is, based on what you know about perception and attention, is this an effective way to influence public opinion?

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republican presidential candidate George W. Bush (news - web sites) said on Tuesday his campaign had dropped a television ad in which the word ``RATS'' flashes across the screen in an apparent subliminal message attacking his opponent.

In the advertisement, an image of Democratic presidential candidate Vice President Al Gore (news - web sites) is followed by fragments of the words ``Bureaucrats decide'', with the word ``RATS'' flashing on the screen before the entire word ``bureaucrats'' appears.

Speaking to reporters in Orlando, Florida, Bush said he was convinced the inclusion of the word ``RATS'' was not intentional, but said the advertisement would no longer be used.

``This ad is coming out of rotation, it turns out any way,'' said Bush. ``In other words, it is not going to be played any more.''

``Conspiracy theories abound in America's politics. I don't think we need to be subliminal about the differences between our views on prescription drugs. That's where the debate ought to be,'' he added.

Earlier, Bush said on ABC's ``Good Morning America'' program that he first heard about the advertisement when he woke up on Tuesday.

``Campaigns take bizarre twists and this has to be one of the more bizarre accusations,'' the Texas governor said. ``We don't need to be manufacturing subliminal messages to get my message across.''

Gore spokesman Chris Lehane said the Gore camp was disappointed by the advertisement. ``We have never seen anything like this. The ad speaks for itself,'' Lehane said, without commenting further.

The New York Times carried a front-page story on Tuesday under the banner headline ``Democrats See, and Smell, Rats in G.O.P. Ad.''

The Times said an eagle-eyed Democrat in Seattle had examined the advertisement frame-by-frame and spotted the word ''RATS'' appearing on the screen.

Alex Castellanos, who produced the advertisement for the Republican National Committee, told the New York Times the use of the word ``RATS'' was ``purely accidental.''

``We don't play ball that way. I'm not that clever,'' he said.

Bush told reporters that he did not think the people who produced the ad should be fired as he had accepted their word that the word ``RATS'' had not appeared on purpose.

It was the second publicity gaffe to hit the Bush campaign in a week.

Last week Bush also got himself into trouble when he was overheard using an expletive in taking about a New York Times reporter that was caught on a live microphone.

The Texas governor was unaware his microphone was live when he leaned over to his running mate, Dick Cheney (news - web sites), at a Labor Day rally and said: ``There's Adam Clymer, major league asshole from the New York Times.''

Cheney replied ``Oh yeah, he is, big time.''

Later Bush said he regretted everyone heard his comment but sidestepped a question about whether he would apologize to the journalist.

Bush, who has said on several occasions he wants to change the tone in Washington to one of ``civility and respect,'' was unhappy with a series of articles by Clymer who was critical of his record as governor.

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_______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From A.Cahoon@m.cc.utah.edu Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:12:53 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:12:53 -0600 (MDT) From: A Cahoon A.Cahoon@m.cc.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) I thought one of the most interesting illusions on Tuesday was the pinwheel illusion. It was pretty weird to see the surface of my hand moving like that. It made me realize that we take for granted what we see as true way too often. It looked so real. I was wondering if that's the kind of effect people have when they take hallucinogenic or psychodellic drugs. Does anyone have any insight on what it is like and if it is similar to the illusion I saw on my hand? Amy Cahoon #00077943 From kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:33:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:33:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Karen Griffin kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] Color and Perception As I've read through the various postings about color and how we see it, I continued to think about the linguistic-relativity hypothesis. While I understand that cognitive psychologists don't put a lot of faith in this hypothesis, I do think that some things about perception can be drawn from it. I'm sure we've all heard about the number of words that the Inuit people have for snow and that the need for this arises from their environment. As I was reading further I discovered that the Dani of New Guinea only have two words to describe color - mola for warm and mili for cool. Testing was done to show that the individuals can actually see the full spectrum of color, but in their environment there is no need to use the words that describe multiple colors. What I am drawing from this for the current discussion is that while light and electromagnetic energy provide the visual sensations (except for those who are blind or colorblind)it is our knowledge and motivations that cause us to see the colors. Some of the work that was done by the Gestalt psychologists found that we try to take bits and pieces of information that we are provided and try to put these bits and pieces together to make sense of our world. The development of the Gestalt heuristics, or rules of thumb, that have to do with perception make a lot of sense when you understand that we learn from experience that two images go together, or that a tomato is red, or the grass is green. If we can very quickly look at grass and know that it is green, that is one less thing that we have to consciously process; one less thing that we have to make sense out of in our ever complicated world. It's like reading this page. If we had to stop and analyze each letter and then each word, we would never get through anything. But, because we've acquired knowledge and understanding of how things go together, we can apply that knowledge to what we see and hear to help us keep our world from being total chaos. Perhaps this also helps explain why we adapt to changes in vision and other change. If we continued to see things in a novel way and had to consciously process first how things are and then try to attach that to how things were, it would take us too long to process everyday information and we would not be able to function in a fast-paced world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From mobiaz@excite.com Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:19:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:19:32 -0700 (PDT) From: mobiaz@excite.com mobiaz@excite.com Subject: [Psych3120] Sight. Can individuals who are blind, but have blind sight get motion sickness with respect to their sight. I know that some aspects of this phenomenon deal with choclear orientation and movement, but I also know that someof it deals with sight and the inability to focuss. Thus because of some portion of the visual system that is still intact could it cause motion sickness? _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From mobiaz@excite.com Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:12:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:12:27 -0700 (PDT) From: mobiaz@excite.com mobiaz@excite.com Subject: [Psych3120] Various Wavelengths. So do animals that can see some of the lower wavelenths such as Infrared see things such as heat signitures or breath. Our bodies are giving off heat all the time and I beleive that this electromagnetic radiation is within this spectrum of light. Thus by seeing this are they at any special advantage or is it just that they see the other spectrum and there is no other advantage other than that is what evolution has selected for them. Tyler Burnett _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From gleim@uswest.net Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:52:47 -0600 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:52:47 -0600 From: The Gleim's gleim@uswest.net Subject: [Psych3120] September 12th class... I totally agree with your point of view. It is certainly mind blowing that what we are percieving may not be what we are actually seeing. The fact that our brain is capable of altering what we see in order to make it fit within our knowledge and experiences of how things should be is a very exciting concept. If you stop to think about it, the implications are phenomenal. We really cannot trust our visual system as the final word or decision on anything. I can't wait to hear about the evidence on eye-witness accounts because from what we have already learned, it's obviously not fool-proof. Heather Gleim 00067221 -----Original Message----- From: Mexpebbles@aol.com To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Date: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 9:40 PM Subject: [Psych3120] September 12th class... >I found today's class very beneficial. I enjoy classes where we have visuals >to go along with what we are learning. It helps me understand the concepts >better. It was fun to learn about perception and realize that what we see >may not really be what is there, but what we "think" is there. It blows my >mind to think about it! Anyway, I just wanted to say that. Does anyone else >agree? > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From ilikeduplos@hotmail.com Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:49:36 MDT Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:49:36 MDT From: Erica Fleming ilikeduplos@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Dreaming in color I have to say that I definately dream in color. My dreams are usually so vivid and real that sometimes when I wake up it's hard to shake myself from that dream world. I think that it's amazing that we feel, percieve, see (in depth, color, sizes, shapes and so on) in color. Erica >From: "laura barron" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Dreaming in color >Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:47:52 MDT > >it is my understanding that people dream in both black and white and color, >each about 50% of the time. > > >From: Kelly Symes >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Dreaming in color >Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:15:34 -0700 (PDT) > >I don't know, I dream in color, how about you? >--- CatherineW123@aol.com wrote: > > Someone once told me that some people dream in black > > and white while other > > people dream in color. Does anyone know if this is > > true? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Psych3120 mailing list > > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! 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From ilikeduplos@hotmail.com Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:52:57 MDT Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:52:57 MDT From: Erica Fleming ilikeduplos@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) I also remember that in class that we were told that subliminal messages were useless and wouldn't do a thing. But, if that is the true case then why has it been such an issue in the past? For instance, there have been recorded subliminal messages on t.v. in commercials, cartoons and so on. Also, why has it been a very talked about topic in the court room? Especially in the area of music (subliminal messages that perhaps the band members are trying to display?) If it does have no effect then what's the big deal with having it there? Not to say that I am for it....but do you get where I'm going with this. Erica >From: J Doonan >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) >Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:20:26 -0700 (PDT) > >In response to George W. Bush's recent advertisements >using subliminal messages. > >I think according to what we have learned in class >that such attempts to influence the public with >subliminal messages is a hopeless by the Bush >committee. > >These subliminal messages, it seems, would occur below >the threshold of our conscious awareness and therefor >not be processed into our memory. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! >http://mail.yahoo.com/ > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From ilikeduplos@hotmail.com Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:01:53 MDT Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:01:53 MDT From: Erica Fleming ilikeduplos@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] movies and perception I think that it's really interesting that movies/the camera, has the ability to create such realistic and visually stimulating pictures for us. Not only does it project a three dimensional scene on a two dimensional surface (the tv screen) but it also has the ability to use almost all of the size, depth perception and visual illusions. For instance, when the camera moves back and forth the viewers follows these movements with the eye and this can help to create a more realistic picture. Also the camera is able to zoom in and out like the eye. It seems that the camera works like an eye in order to relate to the audience. But what is also amazing is that the camera can create such strong messages and feelings just by placing the lens a little higher in some situations or lower in others. Angles, Close-ups and so on are also clever little techniques to trick the eye and also arouse a feeling or emotion. erica _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Thurie@aol.com Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:14:46 EDT Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:14:46 EDT From: Thurie@aol.com Thurie@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] Re: Bush's Advertising From what I have heard subliminal messages aren't really effective. I haven't heard us talk too much about it in class yet, but it will be interesting to learn more about it. I don't think Bush really did this on purpose, I thought I read somewhere that it was illegal to try and use subliminal advertising in political campaigns anyway. Is that true? From Mexpebbles@aol.com Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:50:50 EDT Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:50:50 EDT From: Mexpebbles@aol.com Mexpebbles@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] movies and perception I agree with you on movies! It's amazing what they can do on the big screen these days. They can create so many feelings and make you actually feel like you are in the movie. I am especially amazed by the IMAC films (is that what they are called?), where they can actually make you feel like you are doing something, for example riding a rollercoaster. It's strange because you know you are sitting in your seat watching the scene, but your body feels like it's riding this rollercoaster and you really want to get off or you might lose your lunch. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? If not, you need to go to Jordan Commons and watch one. Thanks! From salari_ali@hotmail.com Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:47:25 MDT Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:47:25 MDT From: Ali Salari salari_ali@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] [Fwd: [INFOVIZ] Fwd: Chicago Tribune | Nation World -- Nursing mistakes kill,injure t housands (fwd)] You here about stories like these all of the time. The disturbing thing is it seems to be getting worse instead of better. How much and what sort of evidence concerning perception and attention is best to strengthen the arguement that these facilities are compramising care and endangering lives? Can you claim this as a perception or attention problem if the nurse was truly that overwhelmed with work, or is it a flaw in this whole cost cutting trend. >From: David Strayer >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] [Fwd: [INFOVIZ] Fwd: Chicago Tribune | Nation World -- >Nursing mistakes kill,injure t housands (fwd)] >Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:07:06 -0600 > >Below is an excerpt from an article discussing real-world about issues of >perception, attention, and human factors engineering that is relevant to >the upcoming class >lectures. >--Dave > > > >"To compensate for understaffing, hospitals often rely on machines with > > >warning alarms to help monitor patients' vital signs. At least 216 >patient > > >deaths and 429 injuries have occurred in hospitals where registered >nurses > > >failed to hear alarms built into lifesaving equipment, such as >respirators > > >and blood-oxygen monitors. At a New York hospital in September last >year, a patient died unnoticed of a heart attack even though a respiratory >alarm sounded. A sole > > nurse assigned to monitor 10 patients told federal > > >investigators she did not hear the alarm because she was attending to > > >another patient in distress." > > > > > > > > > >http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/article/0,2669,ART-46844,FF.h > > >tml > > > > > > < > >thousands.htm>> > > > > > > > > ><< ds2144.vcf >> _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From listonbr@yahoo.com Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:51:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:51:33 -0700 (PDT) From: s.brandon liston listonbr@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] FYI Illusions Just for your information, This helped me be able to understand the concept of how illusions actually process throughout your brain. In the 1970's psychologists Robert Sekular and Eugene Levinson, wrote in the Scientific American, an article on "perception of Moving targets," With a psychological explanation. "The brain has seperate motion detectors for different directions of motion. The motion detectors produce a stronger signal when there is motion and a weaker(but nonzero) signal when there is no motion, so as long as all the motion detectors are in balance with each other, you don't perceive any motion. When strongly stimulated by motion in a particular direction, the subset of detecters that respond to that motion become fatigued. When the stimulus is removed, the motion detectors for the opposite direction produce a stronger signal for a few seconds, until the fatigued motion detectors recover. This is thought to be the source or the motion afrereffect. Liston __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From kwan_carrie@hotmail.com Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:57:58 MDT Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:57:58 MDT From: Carrie Kwan kwan_carrie@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] personality colors In reponse to the person who wanted to know more about the personality color test. I have the book "The Color Code" by Taylor Hartman. I took the test which is contained in the book. And I am a white personality. I find the information in the book very accurate in many ways. Another person that I know took the test and came out to be yellow. And the descriptions for both of our personalities are quite precise. The book helps a person figure out their true inner motives, what drives them in their actions. It also helps people see their strengths and weaknesses in themselves and also how their personality match/conflict with others. It is a fun book with good insight, it even helps one to be a better person. I highly recommend it. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From ham070@hotmail.com Wed, 13 Sep 2000 23:11:02 MDT Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 23:11:02 MDT From: amber kresser ham070@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] personality colors thanks for the info. i actually know a kid who is very in to all this color and personality tests. he groups people into a color as soon as he meets them. he had me pegged after about 20 min, he was pretty acurate however. i will have to check out more of this stuff. there is a website that has more info on this subject, check the psych website for a response to a letter about color stuff, the address is listed. >From: "Carrie Kwan" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] personality colors >Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:57:58 MDT > >In reponse to the person who wanted to know more about the personality >color >test. I have the book "The Color Code" by Taylor Hartman. I took the test >which is contained in the book. And I am a white personality. I find the >information in the book very accurate in many ways. Another person that I >know took the test and came out to be yellow. And the descriptions for both >of our personalities are quite precise. The book helps a person figure out >their true inner motives, what drives them in their actions. It also helps >people see their strengths and weaknesses in themselves and also how their >personality match/conflict with others. It is a fun book with good insight, >it even helps one to be a better person. I highly recommend it. >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Mad4madimac@aol.com Thu, 14 Sep 2000 01:30:33 EDT Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 01:30:33 EDT From: Mad4madimac@aol.com Mad4madimac@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] personality colors I am was trained with the color code this summer and just taught my first seminar tonight. It is an amazing way to understand and see yourself. It has helped me to accept my own strengths and limitations, as well as see others in a more accepting light. The book is wonderful as was said here, but Taylor Hartman's second book "Color your Future," is equally great in understanding how to speak the languages of those around you that you do not understand. Great stuff! Madison McAllister #00155404 From Ryanjg76@cs.com Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:54:26 EDT Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:54:26 EDT From: Ryanjg76@cs.com Ryanjg76@cs.com Subject: [Psych3120] Various Wavelengths. This is just in response to your question regaurding infrared wavelenthgs (long wavelength). In chapter 3, which is off the internet, they describe the differences between inrared and ultraviolet rays and give examples of animals which can see these different wavelengths. The chapter explains that boa constrictors and pit vipers see these wavelenthgs and can form heat-sensitive images of their potential prey. That example makes me believe that those things that can see inrared rays do have an advantage over those things that can not. So I think that these animals can see heat signitures and breath from their potential prey. Ryan G. From yellekb@yahoo.com Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:32:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:32:38 -0700 (PDT) From: kelly stucki yellekb@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] personality colors --- Carrie Kwan wrote: > In reponse to the person who wanted to know more > about the personality color > test. I have the book "The Color Code" by Taylor > Hartman. I took the test > which is contained in the book. And I am a white > personality. I find the > information in the book very accurate in many ways. > Another person that I > know took the test and came out to be yellow. And > the descriptions for both > of our personalities are quite precise. The book > helps a person figure out > their true inner motives, what drives them in their > actions. It also helps > people see their strengths and weaknesses in > themselves and also how their > personality match/conflict with others. It is a fun > book with good insight, > it even helps one to be a better person. I highly > recommend it. > I also recommend the personality color test. My first psychology class, which was 101, the teacher actually gave us a sample of it. Out of the entire class the test was 3/4ths acurate on detecting the personalities. I am the color blue, which was right on. I keep on taking it about every year to see if I have change. This test is a good way to self examine. It points out your strengths and weaknesses and also it also gives you ideas on what careers you would be good at. kelly 00165065 _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own > public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 ===== STUCKI POWER!!!!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From klmacurdy@hotmail.com Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:40:18 GMT Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:40:18 GMT From: Karen Macurdy klmacurdy@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Sight. I'm not sure what you mean by "blind, but have blind sight." However, I have heard from someone about amusement park rides from a man who went blind as an adult. He said that as a teenager, he could go on any ride at Lagoon, but now that he can't see anything, he gets motion sickness really easily and can't ride any of the roller coasters. (On the other hand, I have heard similar reports from people who became more prone to motion sickness as they got older, without any indication that it was because of changes in vision.) Anybody else know anything about how or why that changes? How much does sight have to do with it? Karen Leishman >From: mobiaz@excite.com >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] Sight. >Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:19:32 -0700 (PDT) > >Can individuals who are blind, but have blind sight get motion sickness >with >respect to their sight. I know that some aspects of this phenomenon deal >with choclear orientation and movement, but I also know that someof it >deals >with sight and the inability to focuss. Thus because of some portion of >the >visual system that is still intact could it cause motion sickness? > > > > > >_______________________________________________________ >Say Bye to Slow Internet! >http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kimcrocheron@mail.com Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:58:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Kim Crocheron kimcrocheron@mail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Thursday Lecture I don't really understand a lot of what we talked about in class today. Especially the equations and charts, does anybody know what all of that business was? Help! ........................................................ iWon.com http://www.iwon.com why wouldn't you? ........................................................ From Melissa.Lemon@m.cc.utah.edu Tue, 12 Sep 2000 12:11:58 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 12:11:58 -0600 (MDT) From: Melissa.Lemon@m.cc.utah.edu Melissa.Lemon@m.cc.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] The Ripple Effect Something in that I read in the first chapter of our text book has really made me think. It is how when driving in a car or just moving at any pace, things that are closest to us seem to go by faster than things that are far away. Obviously this has to do with distance and how up close, we can see things in great detail. Because of our incredible abilities to see detail, things that are close up have more to them. However, our limited vision (we can't zoom in like a camera can,) makes things that are far away almost dull in color, texture, and contrast. It is almost as if we live in the ripple effect. Things that surround us closely we are able to see in great detail. Too many things to ever notice while moving at great speen. The farther and farther things get away, the more broad the circles are, and it is easy to see things at a distance when you're moving, even though you can't see in great detail. Our near vision and far vision therefore tend to compliment each other. On the one hand you can't see everything, but what you do see is in great detail. On the other hand, you can see everything, only in a broader sense. Our visual system is amazing! From Elizabeth.Gardner@m.cc.utah.edu Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:04:31 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:04:31 -0600 (MDT) From: Elizabeth Gardner Elizabeth.Gardner@m.cc.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] Migraines Sorry to digress back to the topic of vision, but since starting this class I have been curious about the role that vision and perception plays in my experience as a chronic migraine sufferer. I don't know if anyone else has experienced this, but when I used to suffer migraines I would notice spots or colors in my vision before a migraine began. SOmetimes this would appear as a blind spot in my vision, or a bright metallic looking spot, or often I would see scattered dots of color. I know that this is a common symptom of migraines, often thought of as a signal that one is going to start. DOes anyone know how the brain sends signals to your visual system and how the beginning of a migraine relates to your vision? This is something I've always wondered! From Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:08:41 -0600 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:08:41 -0600 From: Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) The example in class in regards to Bush's promo was amazing to witness, but to be quite honest, I would have never caught it if it wasn't presented in this fashion (slow motion). This verifies to me that subliminal messages are useless because people are incapable of catching them. In regards to TV. Music, Movies, etc....the reason why it has been a big issue, has to do more with grassroot organizations validating their existence. Not that I'm against it, but some actually do accomplish change, and others are either trying to get rid of some personal guilt or just need to find another hobby. Leonard Cancel #00180520 >---------- >From: Erica Fleming[SMTP:ilikeduplos@hotmail.com] >Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 7:52 PM >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] (no subject) > >I also remember that in class that we were told that subliminal messages >were useless and wouldn't do a thing. But, if that is the true case then >why has it been such an issue in the past? For instance, there have been >recorded subliminal messages on t.v. in commercials, cartoons and so on. >Also, why has it been a very talked about topic in the court room? >Especially in the area of music (subliminal messages that perhaps the band >members are trying to display?) If it does have no effect then what's the >big deal with having it there? Not to say that I am for it....but do you get >where I'm going with this. > >Erica > > >>From: J Doonan >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) >>Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:20:26 -0700 (PDT) >> >>In response to George W. Bush's recent advertisements >>using subliminal messages. >> >>I think according to what we have learned in class >>that such attempts to influence the public with >>subliminal messages is a hopeless by the Bush >>committee. >> >>These subliminal messages, it seems, would occur below >>the threshold of our conscious awareness and therefor >>not be processed into our memory. >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! >>http://mail.yahoo.com/ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Psych3120 mailing list >>Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From candyphi@hotmail.com Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:43:23 GMT Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:43:23 GMT From: candyphi nguyen candyphi@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] confuse We are using the method of asking true and false question today to eliminate half of the wrong answer. Most of the time, we always use the even number of choices (like number from 1-8 or A,B,C,D). What if we have the answer in odd # like 1-9, how will we know which one is the right number? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From sweetfogs@hotmail.com Fri, 15 Sep 2000 00:04:15 GMT Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 00:04:15 GMT From: Jaimie Cogswell sweetfogs@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] personality perceptions I was reading about the color personality tests and how they can tell you your strengths and weaknesses and what job you might be good in. I was wondering if because in your personality color, it says you tend to have a certain weakness, if that will induce you to not try as hard when it comes to that certain aspect because you can just pigeon hole it and say, "Oh, I suck at that because I'm a green so I'm not going to even try." Do you think that these personality tests affect people and how they precieve themselves, prior to taking the test versus after taking the test? Or do you think that these personality tests are pretty accurate and my point may play some role, but not significantly? I was just wondering what other poeple thought about such tests and if I was just being too skeptical. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Mad4madimac@aol.com Thu, 14 Sep 2000 22:01:21 EDT Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 22:01:21 EDT From: Mad4madimac@aol.com Mad4madimac@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] personality perceptions In reply to your question about the color code tests, I know of the "Color Code" by Taylor Hartman, but am not familiar with any others, I can at least tell you about that one. People definitely take thing the way they want to. I have heard of people taking the "Color Code" and using it as an excuse for who they are or what they do. But the test is designed to teach us about what drives us and also to understand ourselves and others better. The second book that is a companion to the "Color Code" is "Color your future." It speaks about how to become charactered, in other words, speaking the language of others that are driven by a totally different motive than you are. If you try to incorporate others natural strengths into your personality, then you learn to speak their language. If I being a yellow, am driven by fun, try to understand the white that is driven by peace, try become more patient, since this is one of their natural strengths, then I can relate to them, and overcome one of my limitation. The one where I try to run people of the road because they are too slow. Accepting yourself first and then learning to overcome your nature limitations, is the ultimate goal in this system. Madison #00155404 From gsl9@hotmail.com Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:41:29 MDT Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:41:29 MDT From: Greg Leigh gsl9@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] confuse Candyphi, In response to your question, you would use the same method. If you have numbers 1-8, you start off with four. If you have numbers 1-9, you would start at five, which is exactly in the middle. Then, if it's higher, you would guess 7 and if it's lower, you would go to 3. Then, if it's still higher than 7, you could guess 8, and if it's not 8, it's 9, and so forth. It would be the same process. Furthermore, it's actually easier, because the number you would guess on an odd number of answers would be exactly in the middle, whereas with even numbers, you actually start closer to one side or another. Greg >From: "candyphi nguyen" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] confuse >Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:43:23 GMT > >We are using the method of asking true and false question today to >eliminate >half of the wrong answer. Most of the time, we always use the even number >of choices (like number from 1-8 or A,B,C,D). What if we have the answer >in >odd # like 1-9, how will we know which one is the right number? >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jjfoust@ix.netcom.com Thu, 14 Sep 2000 23:04:47 -0600 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 23:04:47 -0600 From: Jaime C. Foust jjfoust@ix.netcom.com Subject: [Psych3120] Dreaming in color I know people don't usually remember dreams, however thinking back to bits and pieces I do remember, I do not recall ever dreaming in black and white, only color. Does any one else? That is a really interesting point. I would be interested if anyone has experienced this. laura barron lauraebarron@hotmail.com Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:47:52 MDT it is my understanding that people dream in both black and white and color, each about 50% of the time. From: Kelly Symes Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Dreaming in color Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:15:34 -0700 (PDT) I don't know, I dream in color, how about you? --- CatherineW123@aol.com wrote: > Someone once told me that some people dream in black > and white while other > people dream in color. Does anyone know if this is > true? > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jpix@networld.com Fri, 15 Sep 2000 08:48:25 -0600 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 08:48:25 -0600 From: Jeffrey Pixton jpix@networld.com Subject: [Psych3120] subliminal messages During yesterday's lecture which touched on subliminal messaging, I was reminded of a character on Saturday Night Live who used it in his skits. I believe it was the newscaster Tom Nealon and as he discussed the news he would make one-word comments in response to the story and make it sound like it was part of the news story. Does anyone remember this? I just thought it was interesting as an exxagerated example of subliminal messaging. Natalie Janovak ********************************* Get your free E-Mail and Homepage Go to http://www.networld.com ********************************* From Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com Fri, 15 Sep 2000 09:13:52 -0600 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 09:13:52 -0600 From: Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com Subject: [Psych3120] Stereoscopic Pictures >From the readings...Stereoscopic pictures consist of two pictures, one for the right eye and one for the left eye. When the two picitures are seen at the same time in the stereoscope, they combine to make a three-dimensional scene. The example they give us in the readings to try, I have tried, but can not fuse them together? The readings state that it takes a while for some to accomplish this and eventually you will achieve the three dimensional image, but I have tried for several days and have not. Not being able to do it now, made me wonder if their are individuals who "can not" accomplish three dimensional images at all? Or are we all able to do this? Leonard Cancel #00180520 From jpix@networld.com Fri, 15 Sep 2000 09:15:00 -0600 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 09:15:00 -0600 From: Jeffrey Pixton jpix@networld.com Subject: [Psych3120] confuse I believe that if you have an odd number of choices, you can utilize other equations to eliminate answers. Dr. Strayer did say that the formula could get a lot more complex than it was in the lecture. Hope this helps. -----Original Message----- From: "candyphi nguyen" To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:43:23 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] confuse >We are using the method of asking true and false question today to >eliminate >half of the wrong answer. Most of the time, we always use the even >number >of choices (like number from 1-8 or A,B,C,D). What if we have the >answer in >odd # like 1-9, how will we know which one is the right number? >______________________________________________________________________ >___ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 ********************************* Get your free E-Mail and Homepage Go to http://www.networld.com ********************************* From D.K.Nelson@m.cc.utah.edu Fri, 15 Sep 2000 09:33:50 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 09:33:50 -0600 (MDT) From: D.K.Nelson@m.cc.utah.edu D.K.Nelson@m.cc.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] migraine Elizabeth, I also suffer from migraine and here is what I have heard regarding visual spots, or auras. Migraine is an organic neeurological disease with headache pain caused by vasodilation (expansion of vessels) in cranial blood vessels. Some doctors believe the auras are caused by some local effect on a nerve that has connections in the brain because in the hospital they have seen cases where the haedache goes away but the aura persists for up to 10 minutes. I know it's not much info but there just isn't much out there. From kvrennie@hotmail.com Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:37:45 MDT Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:37:45 MDT From: Kelly Rennie kvrennie@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Attention I was thinking about the lecture on 9/14 and I remembered that I once read that men and women have differences in their attention abilities. The article had said that men had evolved to only be able to pay attention to one thing at a time, and that this could be traced to caveman days when men went out to hunt. Their primary focus was to kill an animal and they needed to focus all their attention on one task. Women, on the other hand, being the gatherer of other food and the child care giver, had to focus attention on several tasks simultaneously. What does this say about the selective attention we were talking about? Does this mean that selective attention varies, not only from person to person, but within genders as well? I know my husband cannot do more than one thing at a time, but can that be blamed on his gender as a whole, or just him as a person? I would really like a male perspective on this. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kvrennie@hotmail.com Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:43:08 MDT Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:43:08 MDT From: Kelly Rennie kvrennie@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] sight Going back to Ethan's question last week, about if a child was raised in a solely black and white environment, could they still see color. You may have heard about a psychological experiment involving kittens raised in an environment consisting entirely of vertical lines. The kittens were later moved to a normal environment, and they were unable to comprehend horizontal lines. They could not jump onto tables, couches, anything with a flat surface because they just didn't see it. I figure babies would be similar to this. This also leads me to another question..Has anyone ever read anywhere how they KNOW that cats (or dogs or any other animal for that matter) can ONLY see in black and white? I have heard it stated as a fact, but I have never heard the evidence. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From gsl9@hotmail.com Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:02:07 MDT Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:02:07 MDT From: Greg Leigh gsl9@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Attention This is in response to Kelly Rennie. I will tell you what I think. My girlfriend always tells me that I can't do two things at once. She will sit and eat dinner at a restaurant, listen to what I'm saying and at the same time, be listening to two other tables' conversations as well. I don't know how she does it. So, though I have never heard any evidence of it, I would tend to agree that females are better at doing simultaneous things at the same time. Also, I'm even worse if I'm watching TV. I don't hear a thing if someone starts to talk to me, and if I do, I lose my attention span on the TV. In order to not be distracted, I have to focus on just one thing. I would be interested to hear if anyone else has a different take. Greg >From: "Kelly Rennie" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] Attention >Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:37:45 MDT > >I was thinking about the lecture on 9/14 and I remembered that I once read >that men and women have differences in their attention abilities. The >article had said that men had evolved to only be able to pay attention to >one thing at a time, and that this could be traced to caveman days when men >went out to hunt. Their primary focus was to kill an animal and they >needed >to focus all their attention on one task. Women, on the other hand, being >the gatherer of other food and the child care giver, had to focus attention >on several tasks simultaneously. What does this say about the selective >attention we were talking about? Does this mean that selective attention >varies, not only from person to person, but within genders as well? I know >my husband cannot do more than one thing at a time, but can that be blamed >on his gender as a whole, or just him as a person? I would really like a >male perspective on this. >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From E.J.Dickerson@m.cc.utah.edu Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:26:30 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:26:30 -0600 (MDT) From: E.J.Dickerson@m.cc.utah.edu E.J.Dickerson@m.cc.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] Attention Is it possible to really focus on more than one skill at a time? It seems that the more experienced you are at preforming an activity the easier it is to preform that activity while doing something else. For example, whistling while working, or talking while driving. These are activities that most people are capable of doing at the same time. However, it seems impossible to preform more than one skill at a time, when one of those skills is a newly learned skill. For example, learning how to drive while talking on a cell phone. Our attention must select a specific activity to focus on in order preform the activity at an acceptable level of performance. From Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:31:43 -0600 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:31:43 -0600 From: Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com Subject: [Psych3120] Attention Additional response to this e--I tend to believe the opposite. Males can do several things at once. At work, I wear many different hats and need to be responsive at a moments notice. I am also going to school full time and renovating a house. The only problem I have in doing many things at one time is running out of time (the need to sleep and all). I believe we choose when, where and what, we pay attention too. Which is why it's selective attention. Leonard Cancel >---------- >From: Greg Leigh[SMTP:gsl9@hotmail.com] >Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 11:02 AM >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention > >This is in response to Kelly Rennie. I will tell you what I think. My >girlfriend always tells me that I can't do two things at once. She will sit >and eat dinner at a restaurant, listen to what I'm saying and at the same >time, be listening to two other tables' conversations as well. I don't know >how she does it. So, though I have never heard any evidence of it, I would >tend to agree that females are better at doing simultaneous things at the >same time. Also, I'm even worse if I'm watching TV. I don't hear a thing >if someone starts to talk to me, and if I do, I lose my attention span on >the TV. In order to not be distracted, I have to focus on just one thing. >I would be interested to hear if anyone else has a different take. > >Greg > > >>From: "Kelly Rennie" >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>Subject: [Psych3120] Attention >>Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:37:45 MDT >> >>I was thinking about the lecture on 9/14 and I remembered that I once read >>that men and women have differences in their attention abilities. The >>article had said that men had evolved to only be able to pay attention to >>one thing at a time, and that this could be traced to caveman days when men >>went out to hunt. Their primary focus was to kill an animal and they >>needed >>to focus all their attention on one task. Women, on the other hand, being >>the gatherer of other food and the child care giver, had to focus attention >>on several tasks simultaneously. What does this say about the selective >>attention we were talking about? Does this mean that selective attention >>varies, not only from person to person, but within genders as well? I know >>my husband cannot do more than one thing at a time, but can that be blamed >>on his gender as a whole, or just him as a person? I would really like a >>male perspective on this. >>_________________________________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >> >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>http://profiles.msn.com. >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Psych3120 mailing list >>Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From rosemary420@hotmail.com Fri, 15 Sep 2000 18:39:52 GMT Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 18:39:52 GMT From: Rosemary Russo rosemary420@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] hallucinogenics In response to Amy's question about the pinwheel illusion, you're definately on the right track as to how hallucinogenic drugs change one's perception. The pinwheel illusion is probably one of the most effective ways to expereince the effects of an hallucinogen without actually ingesting one. It seems to me, that when on an hallucionogen, it's as though your own perception no longer is guided by experience and what you expect the world to look like. Shape constancy, color constancy, and almost all of the other aspects of perception that we have been learning about seem to be no longer controlling perception. Its as though a whole new set of rules comes into play and the one experiencing the 'trip' is generally confused and scared or just plain enjoying the ride. I've also heard that use of heavy hallucinogenic drugs can put in a person in a schizophrenic-like state, where their entire basis of reality has been changed and they're no longer sure where they are or who they are. I don't know any schiziophrenics so I'm not too sure about how the experiences differ....I do however know, that both schizophrenics and persons being treated for an halluciongenic drug overdose are given the same type of medication in a hospital setting, which is generally an anti-psychotic drug of some sort... Anyways, hope that sort of answers your question... ~Rosemary Russo~ #00086213 >>Message: 7 >>Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:12:53 -0600 (MDT) >>From: A Cahoon >>To: psych 3120 >>Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>I thought one of the most interesting illusions on Tuesday was the >>pinwheel illusion. It was pretty weird to see the surface of my hand >>moving like that. It made me realize that we take for granted what >>we >>see as true way too often. It looked so real. I was wondering if >> >>that's the kind of effect people have when they take hallucinogenic >> >>or psychodellic drugs. Does anyone have any insight on what it is >> >>like and if it is similar to the illusion I saw on my hand? >>Amy Cahoon #00077943 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jpix@networld.com Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:43:48 -0600 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:43:48 -0600 From: Jeffrey Pixton jpix@networld.com Subject: [Psych3120] hallucinogenics I just wanted to add that I know a guy who is diagnosed with drug induced schizophrenia. He is treated with antipsychotics and what he has told me falls right in line with what you are explaining here. Natalie Janovak -----Original Message----- From: "Rosemary Russo" To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 18:39:52 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] hallucinogenics >In response to Amy's question about the pinwheel illusion, you're >definately >on the right track as to how hallucinogenic drugs change one's >perception. >The pinwheel illusion is probably one of the most effective ways to >expereince the effects of an hallucinogen without actually ingesting >one. >It seems to me, that when on an hallucionogen, it's as though your own >perception no longer is guided by experience and what you expect the >world >to look like. Shape constancy, color constancy, and almost all of the >other >aspects of perception that we have been learning about seem to be no >longer >controlling perception. Its as though a whole new set of rules comes >into >play and the one experiencing the 'trip' is generally confused and >scared or >just plain enjoying the ride. I've also heard that use of heavy >hallucinogenic drugs can put in a person in a schizophrenic-like >state, >where their entire basis of reality has been changed and they're no >longer >sure where they are or who they are. I don't know any schiziophrenics >so >I'm not too sure about how the experiences differ....I do however >know, that >both schizophrenics and persons being treated for an halluciongenic >drug >overdose are given the same type of medication in a hospital setting, >which >is generally an anti-psychotic drug of some sort... >Anyways, hope that sort of answers your question... >~Rosemary Russo~ #00086213 > > > >>>Message: 7 >>>Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:12:53 -0600 (MDT) >>>From: A Cahoon >>>To: psych 3120 >>>Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) >>>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >>>I thought one of the most interesting illusions on Tuesday was the >>>pinwheel illusion. It was pretty weird to see the surface of my >hand >>>moving like that. It made me realize that we take for granted what >>>we >>>see as true way too often. It looked so real. I was wondering if >>> >>that's the kind of effect people have when they take >hallucinogenic >>> >>or psychodellic drugs. Does anyone have any insight on what it >is >>> >>like and if it is similar to the illusion I saw on my hand? >>>Amy Cahoon #00077943 > > >______________________________________________________________________ >___ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 ********************************* Get your free E-Mail and Homepage Go to http://www.networld.com ********************************* From yellekb@yahoo.com Fri, 15 Sep 2000 15:33:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 15:33:17 -0700 (PDT) From: kelly stucki yellekb@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] subliminal messages I remember it. I loved that particular skit. If i remember right, he would rip on people under his breath with a one word response. Yesterday's lecture on subliminal messages made me think on how many advertising companies have been misinformed on how subliminal messages do not work. I had to laugh at that ad for george bush's campaign. In all honesty, i would not have even noticed it, if it weren't for the slow motion and someone telling me what to look for. Kelly Stucki 00165065 --- Jeffrey Pixton wrote: > During yesterday's lecture which touched on > subliminal messaging, I was > reminded of a character on Saturday Night Live who > used it in his > skits. I believe it was the newscaster Tom Nealon > and as he discussed > the news he would make one-word comments in response > to the story and > make it sound like it was part of the news story. > Does anyone remember > this? I just thought it was interesting as an > exxagerated example of > subliminal messaging. > Natalie Janovak > > > > > ********************************* > Get your free E-Mail and Homepage > Go to http://www.networld.com > ********************************* > > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From alexispaulos@hotmail.com Fri, 15 Sep 2000 17:27:13 MDT Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 17:27:13 MDT From: Alexis Paulos alexispaulos@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Attention >From: "Kelly Rennie" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] Attention >Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:37:45 MDT > >I was thinking about the lecture on 9/14 and I remembered that I once read >that men and women have differences in their attention abilities. The >article had said that men had evolved to only be able to pay attention to >one thing at a time, and that this could be traced to caveman days when men >went out to hunt. Their primary focus was to kill an animal and they >needed >to focus all their attention on one task. Women, on the other hand, being >the gatherer of other food and the child care giver, had to focus attention >on several tasks simultaneously. What does this say about the selective >attention we were talking about? Does this mean that selective attention >varies, not only from person to person, but within genders as well? I know >my husband cannot do more than one thing at a time, but can that be blamed >on his gender as a whole, or just him as a person? I would really like a >male perspective on this. >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 I have actually heard the same thing. I think that it is very possible that men and women have different types of attention. Not necessarily that men cant remember more than one thing at a time, but more along the lines that males and females possibly have different directions there attention goes. I also think that is is quite possible that we once had more divergent attentions, but now that the male/female roles are being shared more often, I would think we are moving out of those differences. Also I was thinking that maybe attention is also a learned thing. For instance, my father and mother think a million miles per hour and there attention is always shifting from one thing to another. I have been just like that my whole life too. It's not like we are scatter brained but we just think quickly and move on. Anyway when my boyfriend and I first started dating he could not stand going to dinner with my parents because our conversations jumped around from topic to topic. Well when I went to his parents house for dinner I could not stand it because we would talk about the same thing FOREVER. Any way to make this long point even longer, I think that it is possible to have your attention influenced by the environment you were raised in. So maybe your husbands family is just real laid back and focuses on one thing at a time, and maybe you are more like me and notice a hundred things all the time. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From AnnieJ312@aol.com Fri, 15 Sep 2000 21:28:27 EDT Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 21:28:27 EDT From: AnnieJ312@aol.com AnnieJ312@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] color tests and attention This message is in response to Jamies and Kellys. First of all, I totally get what you're saying about color tests Jamie. It seems to me that I do it myself all the time. That is - justify something I do because I think that since I'm a yellow...I can't help it. I hadn't thought about this until I read your message. But now I keep thinking of all the times I do things like that. Also in response to Kelly Rennie's message about girls vs. guys attention spans, I think there is atleast some legitimacy to that idea. My boyfriend is constantly in awe over how many things I can do at once. I can talk to him on the phone and he would never know that I'm deeply involved in a tv show at the same time, whereas he can't make a phone call on his cell phone while he's driving without slowing down to almost a complete stop because he can't pay attention to his speed. I'm sure that gender has to have something to do with it. From jonnyutah@mindspring.com Sat, 16 Sep 2000 00:08:56 -0600 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 00:08:56 -0600 From: Jon Lindberg jonnyutah@mindspring.com Subject: [Psych3120] Sensitivity of the brain Hi all, Wasn't the tuesday lecture cool? Anyway, I am writng in reference to the readings for this week. I found that the different theories of distance perception were quite intriguing. I couldn't quite pin-point to which I would subscribe to exclusively; however, I find a bit of truth to each. For example, empiricism states essentially that we are not born with the ability to perceive distance, rather, it is a learned concept. I buy that. As with Gibson, lets face it, his theory is strange and I find myself unable to agree entirely with him. He stated essentially that perceptual cues were not essential for understanding the world around us, that each stimuli contained the all the information necessary for perceiving distance. Yeah, stimuli contain a great deal of information, but I think we rely on various stimuli to determine distance. And finally, the computational approach essentially states that knowledge is essential to perception and is an indirect, low level process. In other words, a combination of experience and information from processing nodules (low level processor with limited function...for example, one module detects motion, one detects size, etc.) gives rise to perception. I buy that. Perhaps there are "modules" that perform these types of tasks, and that vision isn't totally localized in the LGN or the visual cortex. As I stated earlier, I find all of this terribly fascinating, however, I think they all touch on some truth of the whole picture. From kmarc1@yahoo.com Sat, 16 Sep 2000 07:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 07:00:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Marcus Kimsey kmarc1@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] subliminal messages In reference to SNL and the RATS ad, I think the biggest joke is that someone bought into the subliminal hype and made that ad at all. What an embarassmet for Bush. I'm certain that if that ad has had an effect on Al Gore's campaign it has been to make it stronger. It makes me wonder, is there someone formerly with an ad agency out looking for work now? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Mexpebbles@aol.com Sat, 16 Sep 2000 12:09:57 EDT Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 12:09:57 EDT From: Mexpebbles@aol.com Mexpebbles@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] Dreaming in color I don't think I have ever dreamed in black and white either. But I might have, it's hard to say. Anyone else? From tarahdavis@yahoo.com Sat, 16 Sep 2000 18:19:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 18:19:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Tarah davis tarahdavis@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] Information Theory I have a question in regards to the lecture about information theory. Does the noise varible vary according to situation, person, or both? Is there an average amount of noise in every information transmission? I did not remember hearing anything about this in the lecture, did anyone else? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From CatherineW123@aol.com Sun, 17 Sep 2000 12:50:14 EDT Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 12:50:14 EDT From: CatherineW123@aol.com CatherineW123@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] 3D Images In response to the posting about the 3D pictures I can't seen them either and I don't wear contacts. I believe that I can focus for long periods of time though. From CatherineW123@aol.com Sun, 17 Sep 2000 12:51:41 EDT Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 12:51:41 EDT From: CatherineW123@aol.com CatherineW123@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] Depth Perception My friend's sister has a lazy eye and she says that she can see out of it just fine. This may be just her. Maybe different people can or cannot. From CatherineW123@aol.com Sun, 17 Sep 2000 12:52:51 EDT Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 12:52:51 EDT From: CatherineW123@aol.com CatherineW123@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] Yahoo! News Story - Bush Says Ad in Rat Flap Will Be Changed Why do people still believe so much in subliminal messages? There is not a lot of evidence for it, but many people believe it as working. From CatherineW123@aol.com Sun, 17 Sep 2000 12:54:43 EDT Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 12:54:43 EDT From: CatherineW123@aol.com CatherineW123@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] 3D Images Maybe you have to train your eyes to see the dot pictures. From CatherineW123@aol.com Sun, 17 Sep 2000 13:04:20 EDT Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 13:04:20 EDT From: CatherineW123@aol.com CatherineW123@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] Attention There was a story about a year ago on a show like Twenty/Twenty and they said that males can only do two things at once because of the way their brain works and females can do more than one thing simultaneously because their brain functions differently than male brains. I don't know how much research there is supporting this. From norrisrachel@freeport.com Sun, 17 Sep 2000 19:41:29 GMT Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 19:41:29 GMT From: Rachel Norris norrisrachel@freeport.com Subject: [Psych3120] 3D Images I can't see them either. I do wear glasses, but only to see far distances. I'm not sure why? > In response to the posting about the 3D pictures I can't seen them either and > I don't wear contacts. I believe that I can focus for long periods of time > though. > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From norrisrachel@freeport.com Sun, 17 Sep 2000 19:47:28 GMT Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 19:47:28 GMT From: Rachel Norris norrisrachel@freeport.com Subject: [Psych3120] Attention I think that it is possible to do two different things at once, but it all depends on what the two tasks are. I think that there are many things that come so natural to us (like riding a bike) that we can do some other tasks along with it because we don't have to pay a lot (if any) attention to the task that comes naturally. > > Is it possible to really focus on more than one skill at > a time? It seems that the more experienced you are at > preforming an activity the easier it is to preform that > activity while doing something else. For example, > whistling while working, or talking while driving. These > are activities that most people are capable of doing at > the same time. However, it seems impossible to preform > more than one skill at a time, when one of those skills > is a newly learned skill. For example, learning how to > drive while talking on a cell phone. Our attention must > select a specific activity to focus on in order preform > the activity at an acceptable level of performance. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From tarahdavis@yahoo.com Sun, 17 Sep 2000 16:01:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 16:01:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Tarah davis tarahdavis@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] Color deficiencies and driving. I think it should be mandatory that people take color vision tests, or specify eye color deficiency at the DMV before obtaining a driver's license. It should be specified under restrictions (just like corrective lens'). It would not hurt to be informed of a person's color deficiency, especially if could prevent an accident. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From jlallatin@yahoo.com Sun, 17 Sep 2000 16:21:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 16:21:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Jon Lallatin jlallatin@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] Yahoo! News Story - Bush Says Ad in Rat Flap Will Be Changed --- CatherineW123@aol.com wrote: > Why do people still believe so much in subliminal > messages? There is not a > lot of evidence for it, but many people believe it > as working. > > _________I agree. What I don't get is that whole RAT thing. Wasn't the word Bureaucrat? Doesn't that imply all individuals associated with the government? I didn't see the word Democrat but maybe it was there.______________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 From CatherineW123@aol.com Sun, 17 Sep 2000 19:22:42 EDT Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 19:22:42 EDT From: CatherineW123@aol.com CatherineW123@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] Color deficiencies and driving. I think that having mandatory color blindness test at the DMV would also be a good idea. This could prevent accidents where people are not aware of the fact that they are colorblind. From jefbruwid@excite.com Sun, 17 Sep 2000 16:33:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 16:33:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Widdison jefbruwid@excite.com Subject: [Psych3120] Attention I don't believe that attention has any gender reliance. Just as something can be evolved into the gene pool, it can also become extinct from the gene pool. If at one time attention could be attributed to gender, it is not so now. I have a job that requires me to attend to 3 or even 4 tasks at the same time, and I do it quite successfully. I believe that this is a case of nurture and not nature. As little girls, the females are generally taught to occupy themselves with different domestic tasks and they see mothers doing just that (i.e. cook, answer the telephone and tend to small children all at once). I don't me to be stereotypical, but that is what society teaches. Males on the other hand, usually are given one task that require maximal attention or close to that. So the "Cave Man" example just may be a good example of how environment can have similar effects as genetics. Those are my thoughts on that question. Jeff Widdison #00153153 _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From ethanfinley@hotmail.com Sun, 17 Sep 2000 17:53:10 MDT Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 17:53:10 MDT From: Ethan Finley ethanfinley@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] The "moon" illusion After the lecture last Tuesday, I just had to test out the moon illusion myself, so this weekend some friends and I actually tried measuring the moon against the field of the sky, both near the horizon and higher in the sky. Saturday night, (when we tried this), the moon looked QUITE large against the horizon. While all of my friends believed me when I said that it really would be the same measurements, they were all as amazed as I to see that it truly turned out that way, even though we could "see" that the moon was smaller!! Try this for yourself, it is quite fun! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From RGeofam06@cs.com Sun, 17 Sep 2000 22:45:06 EDT Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 22:45:06 EDT From: RGeofam06@cs.com RGeofam06@cs.com Subject: [Psych3120] Attention As a male, I agree with the idea that it is easier for women to focus on many things at once. It seems that the women I know are a lot more organized than I am; I like to get one thing completely finished before I start any others. From leximonroe@hotmail.com Mon, 18 Sep 2000 03:31:41 GMT Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 03:31:41 GMT From: Lexi Monroe leximonroe@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Lexi Monroe Psych 3120 I was just looking through the paper and I found an article dealing with just what we talked about the other day in class, about subliminal messages. It was talking about the Bush campaign that showed RATS on the screen real quickly during one of their commercials. The newspaper says that it was "denigrating" Vice President Gore. The article in case anybody wants to see it was in the Sept. 14th issue of the Salt Lake Tribune. Anyway, in the article it again reitterated however that subliminal messages in advertising doesn't seem to be effective. I guess what baffles me is if studies have shown that subliminal advertising doesn't work, then why do advertisements still use it? For example, how songs use subliminal messages also, I mean, no subliminal messaging is effective right? I don't know, the mind is such a complex thing, that maybe if it was done differently, it could be effective. Who knows? I just thought that was interesting that there was a big article talking about what we just talked about in lecture the other day. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From sailoruranus@altavista.net Sun, 17 Sep 2000 23:54:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 23:54:20 -0400 (EDT) From: sailoruranus@altavista.net sailoruranus@altavista.net Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) In relation to the topic brought up in class on Friday (concerning the television ad endorsing George W. Bush), Dr. Strayer discussed subconscious programming and whether or not we were subjugated to our unconscious mind. There is something called 'partial reinforcement' that causes us to become accustomed to a stimulus. What partial reinforcement is, as the name implies, is reinforcement that is present only some of the time. While this type of conditioning takes longer to be programmed into us than something that is continuously reinforced, the results stay with us longer. For instance, gambling falls under this category. Somebody who gambles will usually win only on occassion. This occasional winning is enough to keep some people gambling, despite how much money they lose. It is fascinating to me that something that is reinforced only some of the time has a longer lasting effect than something I was exposed to on a regular basis. Aaron Davies ---------------------------------------------------------------- Get your free email from AltaVista at http://altavista.iname.com From kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Mon, 18 Sep 2000 06:29:57 (GMT) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 06:29:57 (GMT) From: Kristin Ward kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] Salt Lake Tribune Article This article discusses a teacher who instructs students in ASL by the "total immersion" method. She cannot speak or hear so students are forced to learn entirely by communicating in ASL. This is another interesting alternative way of learning in keeping with the earlier discussion about online courses. Salt Lake Tribune Article: Learning To Speak In Silence, Eager students expand horizons in signing class http://www.sltrib.com/2000/Sep/09172000/utah/23036.htm From: Kristin Ward From kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Mon, 18 Sep 2000 01:59:29 -700 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 01:59:29 -700 From: Kristin Ward kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] Computers and the Human Mind Here's a link to an interesting web-site involving the use of computers to attempt to simulate functions of the human mind: http://www.cs.bham.ac.uk/~axs/cogaff.html Kristin From kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Mon, 18 Sep 2000 04:20:03 -0400 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 04:20:03 -0400 From: Kristin Ward kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] Road_Accident_Error Hi Human Cognition List! Here is an interesting web page on human error and car accidents. In many ways this is similar to the human factor errors discussed in class: http://www.ergogero.com/pages/roadaccidents.html Regards, Kristin Ward From viper@xmission.com Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:40:57 -0600 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:40:57 -0600 From: Corey Raemer viper@xmission.com Subject: [Psych3120] Subliminal Advertising I have a quick question and wanted to know what you all thought about this. As we heard Dr. Strayer tell us that the effects of subliminal messages are non existant or so small that they aren't even worth mentioning. I am also taking a social psychology class this semester and we talked about that particular add and my teacher stated that these messages influence peoples behavior. Not wanting to point fingers at anybody but whos right and who doesn't have all the information. Anybody know of any current research on the subject. From ham070@hotmail.com Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:22:25 MDT Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:22:25 MDT From: amber kresser ham070@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] rats a lot of people have been discussing the effects of subliminal advertising. i dont really have an answer to whether it works or does not, but just an opinion. allthough it is usually obvious enough for someone to catch it, i dont think it has the effect that most would hope for. i am just guessing that it does not have a great enough effect to change ones opinion. it just seems like a clever thing to throw into the advertisment. i doubt that seeing the word coke or candy flash across the screen during a movie would give me the sudden urge to have a coke. however, visual cues are usually more effective. for example, showing a cold coke with ice dripping off the side or warm popcorn with lots of butter, could incline someone to buy a coke or popcorn. but i think that just throwing in the word "rats" into a commercial probably wouldnt have any effect on someones opinon. but who knows, i could be wrong. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From neomorpheus9@hotmail.com Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:38:08 EDT Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:38:08 EDT From: Dan Felts neomorpheus9@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] rats I think that subliminal messages do more to raise curiosity than anything else. Movies like "Fight Club" used it (in an interesting way)and I think if just makes people curious as to what it was. Once that is satisfied, the effect is minimal. For instance, how many of you can imagine having gone to dinner with friends and being very full and suddenly see the word "candy" flash accross the screen. Most likely none of us would possess a desire for candy since we had already had so much to eat. Same thing with politics. If we hold strong opinions and feelings toward certain things, they are very unlikely to be changed or influenced after one or two commercials with subliminals in them. I think it boils down to this...subliminal messages comparable to being hypnotized...it works well for those who believe it will and has little effect upon those who think it doesn't work. >From: "amber kresser" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] rats >Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:22:25 MDT > >a lot of people have been discussing the effects of subliminal advertising. >i dont really have an answer to whether it works or does not, but just an >opinion. allthough it is usually obvious enough for someone to catch it, i >dont think it has the effect that most would hope for. i am just guessing >that it does not have a great enough effect to change ones opinion. it just >seems like a clever thing to throw into the advertisment. i doubt that >seeing the word coke or candy flash across the screen during a movie would >give me the sudden urge to have a coke. however, visual cues are usually >more effective. for example, showing a cold coke with ice dripping off the >side or warm popcorn with lots of butter, could incline someone to buy a >coke or popcorn. but i think that just throwing in the word "rats" into a >commercial probably wouldnt have any effect on someones opinon. but who >knows, i could be wrong. > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From neomorpheus9@hotmail.com Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:40:17 EDT Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:40:17 EDT From: Dan Felts neomorpheus9@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Subliminal Advertising Another thought. I think I would be more influenced by watching an entire action (i.e., a murder, stealing, fighting, etc.), than just a blip of something on the screen. Those things that demand attention, rather than distract from the main point of interest, will have the most potent effect. >From: Corey Raemer >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: Cognitive Psychology List >Subject: [Psych3120] Subliminal Advertising >Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:40:57 -0600 > >I have a quick question and wanted to know what you all thought about >this. As we heard Dr. Strayer tell us that the effects of subliminal >messages are non existant or so small that they aren't even worth >mentioning. I am also taking a social psychology class this semester >and we talked about that particular add and my teacher stated that these >messages influence peoples behavior. Not wanting to point fingers at >anybody but whos right and who doesn't have all the information. >Anybody know of any current research on the subject. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From A.Cahoon@m.cc.utah.edu Mon, 18 Sep 2000 12:22:48 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 12:22:48 -0600 (MDT) From: A Cahoon A.Cahoon@m.cc.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Hi all, Thank you Rosemary and Jeffrey for answering my question about hallucinogens. It was very helpful. I read something that I think might be relevant to the class that I'd like to share, althought we aren't talking about it now. In last Sunday's addition of the Parade in Ask Marilyn, Diane Lizotte of Pascoag, R.I. wrote "We've all heard the comment, 'It's like riding a bike: You never forget.' How can a person 'remember' the task of balancing while riding a bike?" In response, Marilyn Vos Savant wrote, "Have you ever heard of 'motor memory'? This is what helps keep us typing, brushing our teeth and running to catch a bus so effortlessly. Repeated behaviors are 'learned' by the development of pathways through which environmental signals- like seeing the sky above and the ground below- more rapidly reach the motor nerves. These nerves are coordinated in the spinal cord, not the brain. (Amazingly, many animals can run around even when much of their brains are missing. Remember the comment, 'He ran around like a chicken with its head cut off'?!) With time, your pathways become fixed. This is one reason it's so difficult to change your handwriting style, even when you try hard. As far as balancing is concerned, you need to balance even when you walk down the stairs. Riding a bike is trickier, all right- but with enough practice, the memory becomes just as fixed". I found it interesting that those motor nerves are coordinated in the spinal cord and not the brain. I didn't know that. Amy Cahoon #00077943 From trichardson@acs.utah.edu Mon, 18 Sep 2000 12:40:15 -0600 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 12:40:15 -0600 From: Richardson trichardson@acs.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] Subliminal Messages Ever since the "RATS" class lecture, the subliminal thing has been on my mind. I am trying to be more aware of the decisions I make and why I make them. For instance why I all of a sudden want a "Coke" or a certain type of food. Did something happen subconsciously to provoke that craving? So far there has been one time that I realized that a TV commercial had that affect on me. And it was a Sizzler commercial and in the background it showed shrimp being poured into a bowl. Later that night my wife asked where we should go for dinner. And I immediately thought of shrimp, which was odd because I have not eaten for a probably a year. I dont know if that was a subliminal craving or subconscious craving or not, but I cant help but think that commercial had something to do with my decision. From CatherineW123@aol.com Mon, 18 Sep 2000 15:20:08 EDT Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 15:20:08 EDT From: CatherineW123@aol.com CatherineW123@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] Subliminal Messages I don't think that subliminal messages are very effective. I don't think seeing one word like rats can change your view. Everyday people argue with you openly about your opinion and for the majority of the time your opinion stays the same. Someone earlier posted about how one teacher said they weren't effective and another said they were and asked if anyone knew about current experiments. I think that Dr. Strayer said the guy who originally conducted the experiment at the movie theaters later came out and said he had made up results. I got the idea that this experiment made people really start to think about subliminal messages. I don't understand why people continue to view subliminal messages as being so effective when there is not evidence supporting them being effective. From gtalebreza@shoutmail.com Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:22:26 -0700 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:22:26 -0700 From: Gloria Talebreza gtalebreza@shoutmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Dog vision So can dogs see color or not? My dog does not respond to its reflection in the mirror either. Any insights on this stuff? ______________________________________________________________________ Shoutmail.com - Send a voice email, go to http://shoutmail.com/instant From amberbarker@hotmail.com Tue, 19 Sep 2000 01:34:16 GMT Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 01:34:16 GMT From: amber barker amberbarker@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From amberbarker@hotmail.com Tue, 19 Sep 2000 01:40:32 GMT Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 01:40:32 GMT From: amber barker amberbarker@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Perceptual Constancies Perceptual constancies must make up so much of what we see everyday. I wonder what we would see if we didn't have something making up for the changes in our viewing conditions, our view of the world at each time of the day would be so different. Not only things with light, but things according to size and shape also. I never imagined that our view of the world wasn't how it was really portrayed in nature. I realized our perception of how we viewed the world played an important role in our attitudes towards other people, etc. But our perception in how we actually see the world really gives also affects us in a similar way. Your perception of reading these words could be completely different than mine, it could look completely different. 00067868 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From CatherineW123@aol.com Tue, 19 Sep 2000 02:11:03 EDT Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 02:11:03 EDT From: CatherineW123@aol.com CatherineW123@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] Dog vision Someone told me that their dog preferred a certain color and could pick out different colored objects. This could just be a fluke though. From artemishae@yahoo.com Tue, 19 Sep 2000 07:07:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 07:07:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Kelly Symes artemishae@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] Attention I don't feel that it is very hard to do most things at once. I am horrible for this. It may just be the ADHD coming out, but I would rather do more than one thing at once. It keeps my mind focused on the things I am doing as opposed to leaving all the time. I almost have to have the TV on or talk to someone on the phone while I do my homework so that my mind doesn't get too bored and wander off. I don't know if anybody else is like that. I also find (Contrary to what D. Strayer might say) that I am actually more focused while driving with a cell phone, don't get me wrong, most people should hang up and drive, but I don't know if that is the case for everybody. The only time the cell phone impaires my driving is while I am dialing --- E.J.Dickerson@m.cc.utah.edu wrote: > > Is it possible to really focus on more than one > skill at > a time? It seems that the more experienced you are > at > preforming an activity the easier it is to preform > that > activity while doing something else. For example, > whistling while working, or talking while driving. > These > are activities that most people are capable of doing > at > the same time. However, it seems impossible to > preform > more than one skill at a time, when one of those > skills > is a newly learned skill. For example, learning how > to > drive while talking on a cell phone. Our attention > must > select a specific activity to focus on in order > preform > the activity at an acceptable level of performance. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From mismash1@hotmail.com Tue, 19 Sep 2000 08:53:29 MDT Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 08:53:29 MDT From: chris mismash mismash1@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Power of suggestion I know this is not being discussed in class right now, but I thought it was interesting. A few days ago i was thinking about a meeting I had for work coming up. It was a Tuesday. I asked my boss if I was supposed to go to the meeting tomorrow. He said he was not sure, but I had better plan on it. To make sure, he suggested I call the the organizer of the meeting. I did so. I asked her if I was to come to the meeting on wednesday, and if so what i was supposed to talk about. She said that I was to come, but was surprised when I said wednesday. This particular meeting happens every month (and has for quite a while) and always on a Thursday. She was a bit stricken stating "if the meeting is today then im not going to be ready!". She asked how I heard it was today, and I told her that it was what I had remembered. The Power of sugestion. Eventually she called my boss and a few other people to confirm the that the meeting was indeed Thursday. The point of all this? well I found it amazing that from one suggestion to my boss he assumed that the meeting was Wednesday. From one suggestion to the meeting organizer (who ill mention is a senior vp of our large company) her confidence was shaken about this meeting she had been running for months, enough so that she had to check with multiple sources to reassure her that her memory was correct. All of this from a very low level meeting attendee's misplacement of the meeting time. I sounded confident in my conversation with my boss and the organizer, and that was all it took. With out conformation from outside sources, can memory be bent to the views of whom ever has the most confidence and strongest will? Can this apply to our lives on a daily basis, like in court, or even something as minor as job recommendations? How many of my personal memories have been affected in this fashion, memories I assume to be accurate and true... Anyway, I know is not a in class topic, but I did find it pretty prolific :) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From garffdog@hotmail.com Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:05:59 MDT Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:05:59 MDT From: matt garff garffdog@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Attention I read in our text today something that is related to the following comment. On pages 82-83, it talks about people that had read stories and also listen to a tape recorder and write down the words that they hear. This would be impossible for me, I'm myopic as hell, but it said that with massive practice, the individuals could actually do both write the words and read at normal rates with high comprehension. So I figure that the differences between women and men in the ability to do more than one task is primarily because of practice. As for the cell phone and driving, I'm not so sure. I always get uneasy when I'm notice someone driving and talking on a cell. MATT GARFF >From: Kelly Symes >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention >Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 07:07:01 -0700 (PDT) > >I don't feel that it is very hard to do most things at >once. I am horrible for this. It may just be the ADHD >coming out, but I would rather do more than one thing >at once. It keeps my mind focused on the things I am >doing as opposed to leaving all the time. I almost >have to have the TV on or talk to someone on the phone >while I do my homework so that my mind doesn't get too >bored and wander off. I don't know if anybody else is >like that. I also find (Contrary to what D. Strayer >might say) that I am actually more focused while >driving with a cell phone, don't get me wrong, most >people should hang up and drive, but I don't know if >that is the case for everybody. The only time the >cell phone impaires my driving is while I am dialing >--- E.J.Dickerson@m.cc.utah.edu wrote: > > > > Is it possible to really focus on more than one > > skill at > > a time? It seems that the more experienced you are > > at > > preforming an activity the easier it is to preform > > that > > activity while doing something else. For example, > > whistling while working, or talking while driving. > > These > > are activities that most people are capable of doing > > at > > the same time. However, it seems impossible to > > preform > > more than one skill at a time, when one of those > > skills > > is a newly learned skill. For example, learning how > > to > > drive while talking on a cell phone. Our attention > > must > > select a specific activity to focus on in order > > preform > > the activity at an acceptable level of performance. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Psych3120 mailing list > > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > >_________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From listonbr@yahoo.com Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:17:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:17:24 -0700 (PDT) From: s.brandon liston listonbr@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) I found today to be a very interesting class, I had never really thought about two types of attention. I guess in a way I just figured you either paid attention or didn't. Now that we discussed it and read about it, I am noticing times when my mind is going through these different types of attention. I find that my mind is very selective as to what I actually pay attention to, vs. what I listen to but do not actually compute in my mind. Who knows, being aware might actually help people in school. This also brings a whole new meaning to the phrase, "I am so broke I can't even afford to pay attention", which type of attention are they reffering too, and how much does each cost? I was also curious on some input on what people thought about the first study guide question and some possible ways to go about answering it? I am aware that you have to go through the process from the photoreceptors on up to the optic nerve, but do we need to explain from the right visual field or from right in front of you were the butterfly landed, thanks for any feedback 00154324 Liston __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From marcisparks@hotmail.com Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:27:06 MDT Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:27:06 MDT From: Marci Sparks marcisparks@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Attention I have done a few studies here about attention that I found very interesting. One was related to what Dr. Strayer discussed in class today. I had to listen to words in a headphone, while looking at different words on a screen, then write down the words that I remembered. The words that I remembered were almost always those that related to each other or had some sort of semantic connection. Then I did the different message into different ears, it really surprised me how I found it impossible to block one of the ears completely, I always came up with words from both, with again some sort of semantic connection. It is really interesting how much we can block out, but, that for some reason certain words cannot be blocked out, at least for me. Marci Sparks >From: "matt garff" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention >Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:05:59 MDT > >I read in our text today something that is related to the following >comment. > On pages 82-83, it talks about people that had read stories and also >listen to a tape recorder and write down the words that they hear. This >would be impossible for me, I'm myopic as hell, but it said that with >massive practice, the individuals could actually do both write the words >and >read at normal rates with high comprehension. So I figure that the >differences between women and men in the ability to do more than one task >is >primarily because of practice. As for the cell phone and driving, I'm not >so sure. I always get uneasy when I'm notice someone driving and talking >on >a cell. > >MATT GARFF >>From: Kelly Symes >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention >>Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 07:07:01 -0700 (PDT) >> >>I don't feel that it is very hard to do most things at >>once. I am horrible for this. It may just be the ADHD >>coming out, but I would rather do more than one thing >>at once. It keeps my mind focused on the things I am >>doing as opposed to leaving all the time. I almost >>have to have the TV on or talk to someone on the phone >>while I do my homework so that my mind doesn't get too >>bored and wander off. I don't know if anybody else is >>like that. I also find (Contrary to what D. Strayer >>might say) that I am actually more focused while >>driving with a cell phone, don't get me wrong, most >>people should hang up and drive, but I don't know if >>that is the case for everybody. The only time the >>cell phone impaires my driving is while I am dialing >>--- E.J.Dickerson@m.cc.utah.edu wrote: >> > >> > Is it possible to really focus on more than one >> > skill at >> > a time? It seems that the more experienced you are >> > at >> > preforming an activity the easier it is to preform >> > that >> > activity while doing something else. For example, >> > whistling while working, or talking while driving. >> > These >> > are activities that most people are capable of doing >> > at >> > the same time. However, it seems impossible to >> > preform >> > more than one skill at a time, when one of those >> > skills >> > is a newly learned skill. For example, learning how >> > to >> > drive while talking on a cell phone. Our attention >> > must >> > select a specific activity to focus on in order >> > preform >> > the activity at an acceptable level of performance. >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Psych3120 mailing list >> > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >> > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 >> >> >>_________________________________________________ > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From mkarni@hotmail.com Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:30:18 MDT Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:30:18 MDT From: melissa karnik mkarni@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Re: Attention This is just a quick reply to the message I read about being "more" focused when doing more than one thing at a time. I don't think it's cognitively possible to be "more" focused when you have to concentrate on more than one thing (eg. driving and talking on the phone). As far as studying/working/etc. with a television on, I believe it's just an individual difference in their study environment preference. I don't believe that an individual could possibly absorb all the information in front of them if they are trying to focus on both homework and a television show. However, when considering Selective Attention, a task that does not involve much absorption/thought process might enable an individual to do more than one thing at a time. I think the individual's focus would be more directed towards one of the two tasks. Who knows though, I could be totally off. If anyone else has a comment on this, please reply. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From gsl9@hotmail.com Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:41:41 MDT Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:41:41 MDT From: Greg Leigh gsl9@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Attention I have a question about driving and talking on cell phones and maybe Dr.Strayer will answer it later on, but I wondered if anyone had any ideas in the meantime. I'm not saying that it's good or bad to talk and drive, and I realize that it could distract people while driving by switching their attention and furthermore, you would only have one free hand. However, is talking on a cell phone while driving that much different than eating while driving or doing related things? If not, then where do you draw the line? What about switching radio stations, or trying to find something in the car? If anyone has any thoughts, please let me know. Greg >From: "matt garff" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention >Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:05:59 MDT > >I read in our text today something that is related to the following >comment. > On pages 82-83, it talks about people that had read stories and also >listen to a tape recorder and write down the words that they hear. This >would be impossible for me, I'm myopic as hell, but it said that with >massive practice, the individuals could actually do both write the words >and >read at normal rates with high comprehension. So I figure that the >differences between women and men in the ability to do more than one task >is >primarily because of practice. As for the cell phone and driving, I'm not >so sure. I always get uneasy when I'm notice someone driving and talking >on >a cell. > >MATT GARFF >>From: Kelly Symes >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention >>Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 07:07:01 -0700 (PDT) >> >>I don't feel that it is very hard to do most things at >>once. I am horrible for this. It may just be the ADHD >>coming out, but I would rather do more than one thing >>at once. It keeps my mind focused on the things I am >>doing as opposed to leaving all the time. I almost >>have to have the TV on or talk to someone on the phone >>while I do my homework so that my mind doesn't get too >>bored and wander off. I don't know if anybody else is >>like that. I also find (Contrary to what D. Strayer >>might say) that I am actually more focused while >>driving with a cell phone, don't get me wrong, most >>people should hang up and drive, but I don't know if >>that is the case for everybody. The only time the >>cell phone impaires my driving is while I am dialing >>--- E.J.Dickerson@m.cc.utah.edu wrote: >> > >> > Is it possible to really focus on more than one >> > skill at >> > a time? It seems that the more experienced you are >> > at >> > preforming an activity the easier it is to preform >> > that >> > activity while doing something else. For example, >> > whistling while working, or talking while driving. >> > These >> > are activities that most people are capable of doing >> > at >> > the same time. However, it seems impossible to >> > preform >> > more than one skill at a time, when one of those >> > skills >> > is a newly learned skill. For example, learning how >> > to >> > drive while talking on a cell phone. Our attention >> > must >> > select a specific activity to focus on in order >> > preform >> > the activity at an acceptable level of performance. >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Psych3120 mailing list >> > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >> > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 >> >> >>_________________________________________________ > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Mad4madimac@aol.com Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:54:13 EDT Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:54:13 EDT From: Mad4madimac@aol.com Mad4madimac@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] Power of suggestion Chris, I find your comment very interesting. I think that it does have to do with what we have been discussing at times, when he speaks of eyewitness testimony. Maybe it's not the same thing, but I think that our minds are very susceptible to even slight suggestions, as you say, from maybe someone who has a stronger will, or what we want to see or perceive that may not be based on reality. It makes me wonder whether our basic views, of our childhood for instance, have any basis in reality or are they just our perceptions of what happened to us. And like you said, how often are we persuaded by our environment, or our perceptions from within? Madison #00155404 From klmacurdy@hotmail.com Wed, 20 Sep 2000 01:01:17 GMT Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 01:01:17 GMT From: Karen Macurdy klmacurdy@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Attention I went to a children's science museum a couple of years ago (not here in Utah) with some kids I was baby-sitting. The museum had the same sort of experiment where you pick up two different phones and put one to each ear. Then you were supposed to report what each message had been about. What amazed me was that I could only concentrate on one conversation at a time. No matter how hard I tried I could not tell what both speakers were saying at the same time. If I listened to one ear, the other ear just turned to background noise, and if I transferred my attention, the first voice became nonsense. It really frustrated me so I tried for a long time. I thought this was pretty typical, but from the thoughts posted here, it doesn't sound like it. Has anyone else done this sort of experiment? >From: "Marci Sparks" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention >Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:27:06 MDT > >I have done a few studies here about attention that I found very >interesting. One was related to what Dr. Strayer discussed in class today. >I >had to listen to words in a headphone, while looking at different words on >a >screen, then write down the words that I remembered. The words that I >remembered were almost always those that related to each other or had some >sort of semantic connection. Then I did the different message into >different >ears, it really surprised me how I found it impossible to block one of the >ears completely, I always came up with words from both, with again some >sort >of semantic connection. It is really interesting how much we can block out, >but, that for some reason certain words cannot be blocked out, at least for >me. >Marci Sparks > > >>From: "matt garff" >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention >>Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:05:59 MDT >> >>I read in our text today something that is related to the following >>comment. >> On pages 82-83, it talks about people that had read stories and also >>listen to a tape recorder and write down the words that they hear. This >>would be impossible for me, I'm myopic as hell, but it said that with >>massive practice, the individuals could actually do both write the words >>and >>read at normal rates with high comprehension. So I figure that the >>differences between women and men in the ability to do more than one task >>is >>primarily because of practice. As for the cell phone and driving, I'm not >>so sure. I always get uneasy when I'm notice someone driving and talking >>on >>a cell. >> >>MATT GARFF >>>From: Kelly Symes >>>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>>Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention >>>Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 07:07:01 -0700 (PDT) >>> >>>I don't feel that it is very hard to do most things at >>>once. I am horrible for this. It may just be the ADHD >>>coming out, but I would rather do more than one thing >>>at once. It keeps my mind focused on the things I am >>>doing as opposed to leaving all the time. I almost >>>have to have the TV on or talk to someone on the phone >>>while I do my homework so that my mind doesn't get too >>>bored and wander off. I don't know if anybody else is >>>like that. I also find (Contrary to what D. Strayer >>>might say) that I am actually more focused while >>>driving with a cell phone, don't get me wrong, most >>>people should hang up and drive, but I don't know if >>>that is the case for everybody. The only time the >>>cell phone impaires my driving is while I am dialing >>>--- E.J.Dickerson@m.cc.utah.edu wrote: >>> > >>> > Is it possible to really focus on more than one >>> > skill at >>> > a time? It seems that the more experienced you are >>> > at >>> > preforming an activity the easier it is to preform >>> > that >>> > activity while doing something else. For example, >>> > whistling while working, or talking while driving. >>> > These >>> > are activities that most people are capable of doing >>> > at >>> > the same time. However, it seems impossible to >>> > preform >>> > more than one skill at a time, when one of those >>> > skills >>> > is a newly learned skill. For example, learning how >>> > to >>> > drive while talking on a cell phone. Our attention >>> > must >>> > select a specific activity to focus on in order >>> > preform >>> > the activity at an acceptable level of performance. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Psych3120 mailing list >>> > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>> > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 >>> >>> >>>_________________________________________________ >> >>_________________________________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >> >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>http://profiles.msn.com. >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Psych3120 mailing list >>Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Thurie@aol.com Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:32:29 EDT Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:32:29 EDT From: Thurie@aol.com Thurie@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] Re: Male Attention When we say that boys can't do two tasks at once what are we talking about. Not like chewing gum and walking at the same time, right? I personally think that I can do two things at once. I can read and listen to music at the same time and stuff like that. Can anyone give me some examples of tasks that would be considered hard for a male to both at the same time? Also, I have noticed that when I am talking on my cell phone while I 'm driving, time seems to go by much faster. All of a sudden I am at the place I was driving to and can't really remember how I got their or anything about the drive. So do females do better talking on phones and driving than males do? I have never crashed or anything close to that, so obviously I am paying pretty good attention to the road, maybe more subconsciously than normal though. Clinton From norrisrachel@freeport.com Wed, 20 Sep 2000 02:32:48 GMT Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 02:32:48 GMT From: Rachel Norris norrisrachel@freeport.com Subject: [Psych3120] Attention I do think that doing any other task while driving is very dangerous. I notice that if I try to eat my breakfast while driving to school, I don't pay very good attention to the road and I'm more careless. Like someone else mentioned, all of the sudden I'm to my destination and I have no idea how I got there. Very scary. > I have a question about driving and talking on cell phones and maybe > Dr.Strayer will answer it later on, but I wondered if anyone had any ideas > in the meantime. I'm not saying that it's good or bad to talk and drive, > and I realize that it could distract people while driving by switching their > attention and furthermore, you would only have one free hand. However, is > talking on a cell phone while driving that much different than eating while > driving or doing related things? If not, then where do you draw the line? > What about switching radio stations, or trying to find something in the car? > If anyone has any thoughts, please let me know. > > Greg > > >From: "matt garff" > >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention > >Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:05:59 MDT > > > >I read in our text today something that is related to the following > >comment. > > On pages 82-83, it talks about people that had read stories and also > >listen to a tape recorder and write down the words that they hear. This > >would be impossible for me, I'm myopic as hell, but it said that with > >massive practice, the individuals could actually do both write the words > >and > >read at normal rates with high comprehension. So I figure that the > >differences between women and men in the ability to do more than one task > >is > >primarily because of practice. As for the cell phone and driving, I'm not > >so sure. I always get uneasy when I'm notice someone driving and talking > >on > >a cell. > > > >MATT GARFF > >>From: Kelly Symes > >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >>Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention > >>Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 07:07:01 -0700 (PDT) > >> > >>I don't feel that it is very hard to do most things at > >>once. I am horrible for this. It may just be the ADHD > >>coming out, but I would rather do more than one thing > >>at once. It keeps my mind focused on the things I am > >>doing as opposed to leaving all the time. I almost > >>have to have the TV on or talk to someone on the phone > >>while I do my homework so that my mind doesn't get too > >>bored and wander off. I don't know if anybody else is > >>like that. I also find (Contrary to what D. Strayer > >>might say) that I am actually more focused while > >>driving with a cell phone, don't get me wrong, most > >>people should hang up and drive, but I don't know if > >>that is the case for everybody. The only time the > >>cell phone impaires my driving is while I am dialing > >>--- E.J.Dickerson@m.cc.utah.edu wrote: > >> > > >> > Is it possible to really focus on more than one > >> > skill at > >> > a time? It seems that the more experienced you are > >> > at > >> > preforming an activity the easier it is to preform > >> > that > >> > activity while doing something else. For example, > >> > whistling while working, or talking while driving. > >> > These > >> > are activities that most people are capable of doing > >> > at > >> > the same time. However, it seems impossible to > >> > preform > >> > more than one skill at a time, when one of those > >> > skills > >> > is a newly learned skill. For example, learning how > >> > to > >> > drive while talking on a cell phone. Our attention > >> > must > >> > select a specific activity to focus on in order > >> > preform > >> > the activity at an acceptable level of performance. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Psych3120 mailing list > >> > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >> > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > >> > >> > >>_________________________________________________ > > > >___________________________________________________________ ______________ > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Psych3120 mailing list > >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > ____________________________________________________________ _____________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From sjboyer23@hotmail.com Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:32:19 MDT Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:32:19 MDT From: Seth Boyer sjboyer23@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Cards, ears, and eyes Ok the card trick was pretty cool! I just tried it on my wife and it took her two times to figure it out. I have become curious as to how in detail this does work? Also the experiment in class Dr. Stayer talked about, the one about the headphones and the two messages, did they do a study to see if there was a dominant ear? also about dominance, is perception affected by which of your eyes is dominant? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jjfoust@ix.netcom.com Tue, 19 Sep 2000 23:04:39 -0600 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 23:04:39 -0600 From: Jaime C. Foust jjfoust@ix.netcom.com Subject: [Psych3120] Re: Subliminal Advertising In response to this... I don't see how the particular ad would have much, if any, effect on a person's choice of candidate; however, in class today, Dr. Strayer explained how certain words can influence the way we look at something else. Such as with the example of the "bank." Depending on what word you were given, "bank" meant two different things. It is possible that both are right because even though there may not be much evidence supporting the successfulness of subliminal messages, they can influence the way people act and view certain things. Does that make it any more clear? Jaime Foust Corey Raemer viper@xmission.com Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:40:57 -0600 I have a quick question and wanted to know what you all thought about this. As we heard Dr. Strayer tell us that the effects of subliminal messages are non existant or so small that they aren't even worth mentioning. I am also taking a social psychology class this semester and we talked about that particular add and my teacher stated that these messages influence peoples behavior. Not wanting to point fingers at anybody but whos right and who doesn't have all the information. Anybody know of any current research on the subject. From SilAcciardi@aol.com Wed, 20 Sep 2000 01:48:54 EDT Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 01:48:54 EDT From: SilAcciardi@aol.com SilAcciardi@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] Attention I am sorry to say that I am one of those dreaded people who occasionally drives while talking on my cell phone. As far as only being left with one hand to drive, I am always driving with one hand anyway, with the other relaxing on the gear shift, so there is no effect on me in that respect. I have never found it particularly more difficult to focus on driving and I think that is because I talk in other situations when I am driving as well. For instance when I have friends in the car, I will engage in conversation the entire time that I am driving from point A to B. Basically, what I am trying to say, is that I find it no more distracting being on my cell phone than I do when there is actually someone in the car with me. The only problem that I can see is with having to dial the number you are calling before making a call. That is just what I think. Silvana Acciardi From SilAcciardi@aol.com Wed, 20 Sep 2000 01:58:28 EDT Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 01:58:28 EDT From: SilAcciardi@aol.com SilAcciardi@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] Emotion Maybe I just didn't pay enough attention (hee hee) in class today, so tell me if I am being an idiot. Throughout the lecture I couldn't help but wounder if the tone of voice used in the two messages made any difference. For example, if the voice in message one was calm and relaxed and the one in message two sounded distressed and almost on the verge of tears, would that effect the amount of attention paid to either. Maybe I am just a really sensitive person, but I would be more inclined to listen to the person who was upset, even if they were speaking complete nonsense. Any thoughts??????? Silvana Acciardi From jlallatin@yahoo.com Wed, 20 Sep 2000 08:03:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 08:03:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Jon Lallatin jlallatin@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] Attention This ha happened to me too. I will be driving and come to a stop light. Before I know it I amdriving down the road but i don't remember the light turning green. --- Rachel Norris wrote: > I do think that doing any other task while driving > is very > dangerous. I notice that if I try to eat my > breakfast > while driving to school, I don't pay very good > attention to > the road and I'm more careless. Like someone else > mentioned, all of the sudden I'm to my destination > and I > have no idea how I got there. Very scary. > > > I have a question about driving and talking on > cell > phones and maybe > > Dr.Strayer will answer it later on, but I wondered > if > anyone had any ideas > > in the meantime. I'm not saying that it's good or > bad to > talk and drive, > > and I realize that it could distract people while > driving > by switching their > > attention and furthermore, you would only have one > free > hand. However, is > > talking on a cell phone while driving that much > different > than eating while > > driving or doing related things? If not, then > where do > you draw the line? > > What about switching radio stations, or trying to > find > something in the car? > > If anyone has any thoughts, please let me know. > > > > Greg > > > > >From: "matt garff" > > >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention > > >Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:05:59 MDT > > > > > >I read in our text today something that is > related to > the following > > >comment. > > > On pages 82-83, it talks about people that had > read > stories and also > > >listen to a tape recorder and write down the > words that > they hear. This > > >would be impossible for me, I'm myopic as hell, > but it > said that with > > >massive practice, the individuals could actually > do both > write the words > > >and > > >read at normal rates with high comprehension. So > I > figure that the > > >differences between women and men in the ability > to do > more than one task > > >is > > >primarily because of practice. As for the cell > phone > and driving, I'm not > > >so sure. I always get uneasy when I'm notice > someone > driving and talking > > >on > > >a cell. > > > > > >MATT GARFF > > >>From: Kelly Symes > > >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > >>Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention > > >>Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 07:07:01 -0700 (PDT) > > >> > > >>I don't feel that it is very hard to do most > things at > > >>once. I am horrible for this. It may just be > the ADHD > > >>coming out, but I would rather do more than one > thing > > >>at once. It keeps my mind focused on the things > I am > > >>doing as opposed to leaving all the time. I > almost > > >>have to have the TV on or talk to someone on the > phone > > >>while I do my homework so that my mind doesn't > get too > > >>bored and wander off. I don't know if anybody > else is > > >>like that. I also find (Contrary to what D. > Strayer > > >>might say) that I am actually more focused while > > >>driving with a cell phone, don't get me wrong, > most > > >>people should hang up and drive, but I don't > know if > > >>that is the case for everybody. The only time > the > > >>cell phone impaires my driving is while I am > dialing > > >>--- E.J.Dickerson@m.cc.utah.edu wrote: > > >> > > > >> > Is it possible to really focus on more than > one > > >> > skill at > > >> > a time? It seems that the more experienced > you are > > >> > at > > >> > preforming an activity the easier it is to > preform > > >> > that > > >> > activity while doing something else. For > example, > > >> > whistling while working, or talking while > driving. > > >> > These > > >> > are activities that most people are capable > of doing > > >> > at > > >> > the same time. However, it seems impossible > to > > >> > preform > > >> > more than one skill at a time, when one of > those > > >> > skills > > >> > is a newly learned skill. For example, > learning how > > >> > to > > >> > drive while talking on a cell phone. Our > attention > > >> > must > > >> > select a specific activity to focus on in > order > > >> > preform > > >> > the activity at an acceptable level of > performance. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > >> > Psych3120 mailing list > > >> > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > >> > > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > >> > > >> > > > >>_________________________________________________ > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________ > ______________ > > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > >Share information about yourself, create your own > public > profile at > > >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Psych3120 mailing list > > >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > _____________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own > public > profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Psych3120 mailing list > > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > === message truncated === From Mexpebbles@aol.com Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:10:10 EDT Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:10:10 EDT From: Mexpebbles@aol.com Mexpebbles@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] rats Amber....I agree with your logic on subliminal messages. I do, however, think that these "words passed in front of us" could be working without us even being aware of it. We could be storing these in our memory without us realizing it. I do agree with the fact that we are probably more likely to buy a coke when you see the coke instead of just the word, but it's hard to say whether or not these subliminal messages are really working. That's just my opinion though... Any others? From lauraebarron@hotmail.com Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:14:17 MDT Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:14:17 MDT From: laura barron lauraebarron@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Attention i have to agree with everyone that thinks driving while trying to do something else is dangerous. i know that i come much closer to getting into accidents and i am much more careless when i am eating, looking for something, or even engaged in conversation while driving. i think that driving is a task that requires so much attention, any time we detract some of that attention, we are jeopardizing our safety From: Jon Lallatin Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: Re: Re: [Psych3120] Attention Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 08:03:32 -0700 (PDT) This ha happened to me too. I will be driving and come to a stop light. Before I know it I am driving down the road but i don't remember the light turning green. --- Rachel Norris wrote: > I do think that doing any other task while driving > is very > dangerous. I notice that if I try to eat my > breakfast > while driving to school, I don't pay very good > attention to > the road and I'm more careless. Like someone else > mentioned, all of the sudden I'm to my destination > and I > have no idea how I got there. Very scary. > > > I have a question about driving and talking on > cell > phones and maybe > > Dr.Strayer will answer it later on, but I wondered > if > anyone had any ideas > > in the meantime. I'm not saying that it's good or > bad to > talk and drive, > > and I realize that it could distract people while > driving > by switching their > > attention and furthermore, you would only have one > free > hand. However, is > > talking on a cell phone while driving that much > different > than eating while > > driving or doing related things? If not, then > where do > you draw the line? > > What about switching radio stations, or trying to > find > something in the car? > > If anyone has any thoughts, please let me know. > > > > Greg > > > > >From: "matt garff" > > >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention > > >Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:05:59 MDT > > > > > >I read in our text today something that is > related to > the following > > >comment. > > > On pages 82-83, it talks about people that had > read > stories and also > > >listen to a tape recorder and write down the > words that > they hear. This > > >would be impossible for me, I'm myopic as hell, > but it > said that with > > >massive practice, the individuals could actually > do both > write the words > > >and > > >read at normal rates with high comprehension. So > I > figure that the > > >differences between women and men in the ability > to do > more than one task > > >is > > >primarily because of practice. As for the cell > phone > and driving, I'm not > > >so sure. I always get uneasy when I'm notice > someone > driving and talking > > >on > > >a cell. > > > > > >MATT GARFF > > >>From: Kelly Symes > > >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > >>Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention > > >>Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 07:07:01 -0700 (PDT) > > >> > > >>I don't feel that it is very hard to do most > things at > > >>once. I am horrible for this. It may just be > the ADHD > > >>coming out, but I would rather do more than one > thing > > >>at once. It keeps my mind focused on the things > I am > > >>doing as opposed to leaving all the time. I > almost > > >>have to have the TV on or talk to someone on the > phone > > >>while I do my homework so that my mind doesn't > get too > > >>bored and wander off. I don't know if anybody > else is > > >>like that. I also find (Contrary to what D. > Strayer > > >>might say) that I am actually more focused while > > >>driving with a cell phone, don't get me wrong, > most > > >>people should hang up and drive, but I don't > know if > > >>that is the case for everybody. The only time > the > > >>cell phone impaires my driving is while I am > dialing > > >>--- E.J.Dickerson@m.cc.utah.edu wrote: > > >> > > > >> > Is it possible to really focus on more than > one > > >> > skill at > > >> > a time? It seems that the more experienced > you are > > >> > at > > >> > preforming an activity the easier it is to > preform > > >> > that > > >> > activity while doing something else. For > example, > > >> > whistling while working, or talking while > driving. > > >> > These > > >> > are activities that most people are capable > of doing > > >> > at > > >> > the same time. However, it seems impossible > to > > >> > preform > > >> > more than one skill at a time, when one of > those > > >> > skills > > >> > is a newly learned skill. For example, > learning how > > >> > to > > >> > drive while talking on a cell phone. Our > attention > > >> > must > > >> > select a specific activity to focus on in > order > > >> > preform > > >> > the activity at an acceptable level of > performance. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > >> > Psych3120 mailing list > > >> > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > >> > > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > >> > > >> > > > >>_________________________________________________ > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________ > ______________ > > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > >Share information about yourself, create your own > public > profile at > > >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Psych3120 mailing list > > >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > _____________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own > public > profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Psych3120 mailing list > > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > === message truncated === _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From CatherineW123@aol.com Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:25:06 EDT Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:25:06 EDT From: CatherineW123@aol.com CatherineW123@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] Attention I think that talking on a cell phone is as distracting as doing other things while driving. I think the reason talking on cell phones is more dangerous than doing other things is because people do it for longer periods of time. It takes me only ten seconds to change the radio station, but maybe twenty minutes talk with someone on the phone. From Mexpebbles@aol.com Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:25:14 EDT Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:25:14 EDT From: Mexpebbles@aol.com Mexpebbles@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] Re: Attention I agree with you on the fact that it is not likely you can focus better when you are trying to do two things at once. That really just doesn't seem possible. You would have to be focusing on one of the things more or not absorbing all the information from both of them like you had mentioned. From trichardson@acs.utah.edu Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:32:27 -0600 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:32:27 -0600 From: Richardson, Tim trichardson@acs.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] Attention I have done that same thing except the scary part is that I went through the light and then a few hundred feet down the road I don't have any recollection of the light being green or any color. I hope that checking the light is such a mundane thing that I don't spend much time thinking about it, I just check it and go... -----Original Message----- From: Jon Lallatin [mailto:jlallatin@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 9:04 AM To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: Re: Re: [Psych3120] Attention This ha happened to me too. I will be driving and come to a stop light. Before I know it I amdriving down the road but i don't remember the light turning green. --- Rachel Norris wrote: > I do think that doing any other task while driving > is very > dangerous. I notice that if I try to eat my > breakfast > while driving to school, I don't pay very good > attention to > the road and I'm more careless. Like someone else > mentioned, all of the sudden I'm to my destination > and I > have no idea how I got there. Very scary. > > > I have a question about driving and talking on > cell > phones and maybe > > Dr.Strayer will answer it later on, but I wondered > if > anyone had any ideas > > in the meantime. I'm not saying that it's good or > bad to > talk and drive, > > and I realize that it could distract people while > driving > by switching their > > attention and furthermore, you would only have one > free > hand. However, is > > talking on a cell phone while driving that much > different > than eating while > > driving or doing related things? If not, then > where do > you draw the line? > > What about switching radio stations, or trying to > find > something in the car? > > If anyone has any thoughts, please let me know. > > > > Greg > > > > >From: "matt garff" > > >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention > > >Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:05:59 MDT > > > > > >I read in our text today something that is > related to > the following > > >comment. > > > On pages 82-83, it talks about people that had > read > stories and also > > >listen to a tape recorder and write down the > words that > they hear. This > > >would be impossible for me, I'm myopic as hell, > but it > said that with > > >massive practice, the individuals could actually > do both > write the words > > >and > > >read at normal rates with high comprehension. So > I > figure that the > > >differences between women and men in the ability > to do > more than one task > > >is > > >primarily because of practice. As for the cell > phone > and driving, I'm not > > >so sure. I always get uneasy when I'm notice > someone > driving and talking > > >on > > >a cell. > > > > > >MATT GARFF > > >>From: Kelly Symes > > >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > >>Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention > > >>Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 07:07:01 -0700 (PDT) > > >> > > >>I don't feel that it is very hard to do most > things at > > >>once. I am horrible for this. It may just be > the ADHD > > >>coming out, but I would rather do more than one > thing > > >>at once. It keeps my mind focused on the things > I am > > >>doing as opposed to leaving all the time. I > almost > > >>have to have the TV on or talk to someone on the > phone > > >>while I do my homework so that my mind doesn't > get too > > >>bored and wander off. I don't know if anybody > else is > > >>like that. I also find (Contrary to what D. > Strayer > > >>might say) that I am actually more focused while > > >>driving with a cell phone, don't get me wrong, > most > > >>people should hang up and drive, but I don't > know if > > >>that is the case for everybody. The only time > the > > >>cell phone impaires my driving is while I am > dialing > > >>--- E.J.Dickerson@m.cc.utah.edu wrote: > > >> > > > >> > Is it possible to really focus on more than > one > > >> > skill at > > >> > a time? It seems that the more experienced > you are > > >> > at > > >> > preforming an activity the easier it is to > preform > > >> > that > > >> > activity while doing something else. For > example, > > >> > whistling while working, or talking while > driving. > > >> > These > > >> > are activities that most people are capable > of doing > > >> > at > > >> > the same time. However, it seems impossible > to > > >> > preform > > >> > more than one skill at a time, when one of > those > > >> > skills > > >> > is a newly learned skill. For example, > learning how > > >> > to > > >> > drive while talking on a cell phone. Our > attention > > >> > must > > >> > select a specific activity to focus on in > order > > >> > preform > > >> > the activity at an acceptable level of > performance. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > >> > Psych3120 mailing list > > >> > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > >> > > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > >> > > >> > > > >>_________________________________________________ > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________ > ______________ > > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > >Share information about yourself, create your own > public > profile at > > >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Psych3120 mailing list > > >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > _____________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own > public > profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Psych3120 mailing list > > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > === message truncated === _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 From CatherineW123@aol.com Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:27:11 EDT Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:27:11 EDT From: CatherineW123@aol.com CatherineW123@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] Re: Male Attention In the study I saw it said that males have a hard time watching TV and talking on the phone at once or playing Playstation and talking on the phone. From Mexpebbles@aol.com Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:39:06 EDT Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:39:06 EDT From: Mexpebbles@aol.com Mexpebbles@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] Cell phones.... Can I just make a recommendation?!? If you have to talk on your phone while driving, get one of those hands-free things that you put in your ear. They allow you to talk and still have your attention on the road (which is more important). I started using mine about a month ago and I don't like to drive without it now. I am more aware of my surroundings while I'm using it instead of holding the phone. They are not very much money and some phone packages give them to you free with your phone. Just a suggestion though...but let's all try and make our roads a little safer. Thanks! From amark2@uswest.net Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:56:50 -0600 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:56:50 -0600 From: mark archibald amark2@uswest.net Subject: [Psych3120] Attention I watched a woman plow right in the back of another driver yesterday, she was on a cell phone. ----- Original Message ----- From: "laura barron" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 9:14 AM Subject: Re: Re: [Psych3120] Attention > i have to agree with everyone that thinks driving while trying to do > something else is dangerous. i know that i come much closer to getting into > accidents and i am much more careless when i am eating, looking for > something, or even engaged in conversation while driving. i think that > driving is a task that requires so much attention, any time we detract some > of that attention, we are jeopardizing our safety > > > From: Jon Lallatin > Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > Subject: Re: Re: [Psych3120] Attention > Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 08:03:32 -0700 (PDT) > > This ha happened to me too. I will be driving and > come to a stop light. Before I know it I am driving > down the road but i don't remember the light turning > green. > > --- Rachel Norris wrote: > > I do think that doing any other task while driving > > is very > > dangerous. I notice that if I try to eat my > > breakfast > > while driving to school, I don't pay very good > > attention to > > the road and I'm more careless. Like someone else > > mentioned, all of the sudden I'm to my destination > > and I > > have no idea how I got there. Very scary. > > > > > I have a question about driving and talking on > > cell > > phones and maybe > > > Dr.Strayer will answer it later on, but I wondered > > if > > anyone had any ideas > > > in the meantime. I'm not saying that it's good or > > bad to > > talk and drive, > > > and I realize that it could distract people while > > driving > > by switching their > > > attention and furthermore, you would only have one > > free > > hand. However, is > > > talking on a cell phone while driving that much > > different > > than eating while > > > driving or doing related things? If not, then > > where do > > you draw the line? > > > What about switching radio stations, or trying to > > find > > something in the car? > > > If anyone has any thoughts, please let me know. > > > > > > Greg > > > > > > >From: "matt garff" > > > >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention > > > >Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:05:59 MDT > > > > > > > >I read in our text today something that is > > related to > > the following > > > >comment. > > > > On pages 82-83, it talks about people that had > > read > > stories and also > > > >listen to a tape recorder and write down the > > words that > > they hear. This > > > >would be impossible for me, I'm myopic as hell, > > but it > > said that with > > > >massive practice, the individuals could actually > > do both > > write the words > > > >and > > > >read at normal rates with high comprehension. So > > I > > figure that the > > > >differences between women and men in the ability > > to do > > more than one task > > > >is > > > >primarily because of practice. As for the cell > > phone > > and driving, I'm not > > > >so sure. I always get uneasy when I'm notice > > someone > > driving and talking > > > >on > > > >a cell. > > > > > > > >MATT GARFF > > > >>From: Kelly Symes > > > >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > >>Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention > > > >>Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 07:07:01 -0700 (PDT) > > > >> > > > >>I don't feel that it is very hard to do most > > things at > > > >>once. I am horrible for this. It may just be > > the ADHD > > > >>coming out, but I would rather do more than one > > thing > > > >>at once. It keeps my mind focused on the things > > I am > > > >>doing as opposed to leaving all the time. I > > almost > > > >>have to have the TV on or talk to someone on the > > phone > > > >>while I do my homework so that my mind doesn't > > get too > > > >>bored and wander off. I don't know if anybody > > else is > > > >>like that. I also find (Contrary to what D. > > Strayer > > > >>might say) that I am actually more focused while > > > >>driving with a cell phone, don't get me wrong, > > most > > > >>people should hang up and drive, but I don't > > know if > > > >>that is the case for everybody. The only time > > the > > > >>cell phone impaires my driving is while I am > > dialing > > > >>--- E.J.Dickerson@m.cc.utah.edu wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > Is it possible to really focus on more than > > one > > > >> > skill at > > > >> > a time? It seems that the more experienced > > you are > > > >> > at > > > >> > preforming an activity the easier it is to > > preform > > > >> > that > > > >> > activity while doing something else. For > > example, > > > >> > whistling while working, or talking while > > driving. > > > >> > These > > > >> > are activities that most people are capable > > of doing > > > >> > at > > > >> > the same time. However, it seems impossible > > to > > > >> > preform > > > >> > more than one skill at a time, when one of > > those > > > >> > skills > > > >> > is a newly learned skill. For example, > > learning how > > > >> > to > > > >> > drive while talking on a cell phone. Our > > attention > > > >> > must > > > >> > select a specific activity to focus on in > > order > > > >> > preform > > > >> > the activity at an acceptable level of > > performance. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > >> > Psych3120 mailing list > > > >> > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > >> > > > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >>_________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________ > > ______________ > > > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > > > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > > >Share information about yourself, create your own > > public > > profile at > > > >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >Psych3120 mailing list > > > >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > _____________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own > > public > > profile at > > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Psych3120 mailing list > > > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > === message truncated === > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From amark2@uswest.net Wed, 20 Sep 2000 10:08:41 -0600 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 10:08:41 -0600 From: mark archibald amark2@uswest.net Subject: [Psych3120] rats Most studies say no, If that is the case why would the Bush people take such a risk? Oh! I forgot it was an accident! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [Psych3120] rats > Amber....I agree with your logic on subliminal messages. I do, however, think that these "words passed in front of us" could be working without us even being aware of it. We could be storing these in our memory without us realizing it. I do agree with the fact that we are probably more likely to buy a coke when you see the coke instead of just the word, but it's hard to say whether or not these subliminal messages are really working. That's just my opinion though... > Any others? > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From amark2@uswest.net Wed, 20 Sep 2000 10:11:02 -0600 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 10:11:02 -0600 From: mark archibald amark2@uswest.net Subject: [Psych3120] Emotion Great question, after thinking about it how could it not effect it (tone) or loudness for tha matter. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 11:58 PM Subject: [Psych3120] Emotion > Maybe I just didn't pay enough attention (hee hee) in class today, so tell me > if I am being an idiot. Throughout the lecture I couldn't help but wounder > if the tone of voice used in the two messages made any difference. For > example, if the voice in message one was calm and relaxed and the one in > message two sounded distressed and almost on the verge of tears, would that > effect the amount of attention paid to either. Maybe I am just a really > sensitive person, but I would be more inclined to listen to the person who > was upset, even if they were speaking complete nonsense. Any thoughts??????? > > Silvana Acciardi > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From kmarc1@yahoo.com Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:48:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:48:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Marcus Kimsey kmarc1@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] cell phones Accidents often happen when people take their attention off the road, frequently when changing radio stations, looking for directions, etc. The main difference between cell phones and other distractors in a car is, in my opinion, the amount of time spent on it. Changing the radio station dosen't take long, so hopefully a person checks the road makes sure that the situation is safe and looks at the radio. Usually the situation won't change much while their attention is away from the road. Talking on the phone takes longer, but you can watch the road while you do it. If you have a hands-free phone I don't imagine that using it is much more distracting that talking to someone in the car would be (how much that is varies from person to person though.) However, if you are holding your phone that adds one more factor to be juggled if you suddenly have to respond to quickly to something, which could be dangerous. I belive the state legislature is considering a law to ban mobile phone use while driving in the name of safety. I don't have a cell phone but to me that seems excessive. Still, I doubt that such a law would ever pass, I bet every one of our legislators has a mobile phone. Any thoughts? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From ham070@hotmail.com Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:25:10 MDT Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:25:10 MDT From: amber kresser ham070@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] cell phones i have some friends from austrailia and from what they told me, it is against the law to drive while talking on a cell phone. if you are pulled over for using one on the road, you are given some sort of a ticket or a fine. i think that law makes sense, however i am guilty of talking and driving almost every day. i agree with the attention part, i dont think that its the talking that gets people into accidents, i think its the juggling of too many devices. as for myself, i have a stick shift and i have to sit the phone down to make a left hand turn or sometimes shift. but i dont feel it distracts my attention, i also sing a lot (by myself) in the car and i dont think that comprimsises my attention. the only thing i see as a hazard would be the juggling of the phone and the wheel. im sure many would disagree. >From: Marcus Kimsey >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] cell phones >Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:48:14 -0700 (PDT) > >Accidents often happen when people take their >attention off the road, frequently when changing radio >stations, looking for directions, etc. The main >difference between cell phones and other distractors >in a car is, in my opinion, the amount of time spent >on it. Changing the radio station dosen't take long, >so hopefully a person checks the road makes sure that >the situation is safe and looks at the radio. Usually >the situation won't change much while their attention >is away from the road. Talking on the phone takes >longer, but you can watch the road while you do it. >If you have a hands-free phone I don't imagine that >using it is much more distracting that talking to >someone in the car would be (how much that is varies >from person to person though.) However, if you are >holding your phone that adds one more factor to be >juggled if you suddenly have to respond to quickly to >something, which could be dangerous. > I belive the state legislature is considering a law >to ban mobile phone use while driving in the name of >safety. I don't have a cell phone but to me that >seems excessive. Still, I doubt that such a law would >ever pass, I bet every one of our legislators has a >mobile phone. Any thoughts? > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com/ > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From mobiaz@excite.com Wed, 20 Sep 2000 10:30:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 10:30:38 -0700 (PDT) From: mobiaz@excite.com mobiaz@excite.com Subject: [Psych3120] Selective attention of sight. The explanation of how we could get computers to recognize letters with the deamon explanation parallels the example of the grandmother cells that were introduced within the visual system. The thought is that within the visual system that there aren't any cells that could respond to a specific object. For instance your grandmothers face. However there are cells that respond to given features and their differences. These features put together are what makes certain areas of the brain fire and can be perceived as recognition. Thus the familiar combination of firing that is triggered by a familiar face or object is the ultimate grounding behind the perception of familiarity of that object. There is not a given cell that is responsible for this. This is basically my understanding. However, I would like to hear others thoughts on this because if I am wrong I would like to know. Tyler Burnett _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:05:55 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:05:55 -0600 (MDT) From: Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] attention while driving There have been numerous times that I have been listening to NPR (or some other news show on the radio) while driving, and I will be so absorbed in the show that I miss my exit or street or forget completely where I was going. This either says alot about the excellent quality of the news programming, or my lack of intelligence... From Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:13:15 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:13:15 -0600 (MDT) From: Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] color websites I thought this message got sent last week, but apparently I dropped a letter off of the address. Sorry this is so late... This is in response to Karen's posting as well as anyone else interested in more information on color psychology. I browsed the web using "color psychology" and "color psychology marketing" and found the following sites interesting: http://www.aaaimg.com/Colbook/ http://www.alleykatt.com/colors/colorlnk.htm http://www.eboz.com/articles/design/229.shtml http://www.shibuya.com/garden/colorpsycho.html http://www.losaltosonline.com/latc/arch/9637/FallFash/8c olor/8color.html http://www.colormatters.com/entercolormatters.html http://www.he.net/~image/nwm/iminart/art0070.html http://www.notorioustech.com/art_d2.htm http://www.americashmall.com/Adornments/colortest.htm From jonnyutah@mindspring.com Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:05:55 -0600 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:05:55 -0600 From: Jon Lindberg jonnyutah@mindspring.com Subject: [Psych3120] Attention Well, Kelly, you're not the only one who needs to have other things going on in the background while studying. If I don't have the TV on, or some other "noise" in the background while I am studying, I find it harder to focus on my studies. Right now while I am writing this, I have my amateur radio on listening to a gentlemen in Bozeman, Montana, and I also have the television on watching the news. I was studying my abnormal psychology text book before I replied to you, and I could rehash the last ten pages that i just read without looking at them. Maybe its because since we were kids we did our homework in front of the TV or stereo and don't really know any other way. It drives me nuts to study in the library because I just fall asleep and end up drooling on my book-not a pretty picture. Jon From marisamarston@hotmail.com Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:22:53 MDT Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:22:53 MDT From: Marisa Marston marisamarston@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] color code I just read an e-mail about the color code and was wondering if I could get some more information on it. That sounds amazing. Does your color reflect your personality? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:38:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:38:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Karen Griffin kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] Attention I have heard that if you are doing something other than watching the road and you get in an accident, you will get a ticket, even if the accident was the fault of the other driver. So, from the way I understand it, if you get hit by another car, but you were putting on makeup (lipstick), fooling with the radio, had your cell phone out, eating, etc., you would get some sort of ticket - not necessarily the ticket for causing the accident, but I guess the thought is that you could have avoided the accident if you had been paying complete attention. I was also thinking about smokers - their car insurance premiums are higher. I assume this is not because of any risk of lung cancer, but that lighting a cigarette, or putting one out could be a distraction. There may be statistics to support this. I'm not a smoker, so I've never checked into it, but I've always thought it was interesting. Karen Griffin --- "Richardson, Tim" wrote: > I have done that same thing except the scary part is > that I went through the > light and then a few hundred feet down the road I > don't have any > recollection of the light being green or any color. > I hope that checking > the light is such a mundane thing that I don't spend > much time thinking > about it, I just check it and go... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Lallatin [mailto:jlallatin@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 9:04 AM > To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > Subject: Re: Re: [Psych3120] Attention > > This ha happened to me too. I will be driving and > come to a stop light. Before I know it I amdriving > down the road but i don't remember the light turning > green. > > --- Rachel Norris wrote: > > I do think that doing any other task while driving > > is very > > dangerous. I notice that if I try to eat my > > breakfast > > while driving to school, I don't pay very good > > attention to > > the road and I'm more careless. Like someone else > > > mentioned, all of the sudden I'm to my destination > > and I > > have no idea how I got there. Very scary. > > > > > I have a question about driving and talking on > > cell > > phones and maybe > > > Dr.Strayer will answer it later on, but I > wondered > > if > > anyone had any ideas > > > in the meantime. I'm not saying that it's good > or > > bad to > > talk and drive, > > > and I realize that it could distract people > while > > driving > > by switching their > > > attention and furthermore, you would only have > one > > free > > hand. However, is > > > talking on a cell phone while driving that much > > different > > than eating while > > > driving or doing related things? If not, then > > where do > > you draw the line? > > > What about switching radio stations, or trying > to > > find > > something in the car? > > > If anyone has any thoughts, please let me > know. > > > > > > Greg > > > > > > >From: "matt garff" > > > >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention > > > >Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:05:59 MDT > > > > > > > >I read in our text today something that is > > related to > > the following > > > >comment. > > > > On pages 82-83, it talks about people that > had > > read > > stories and also > > > >listen to a tape recorder and write down the > > words that > > they hear. This > > > >would be impossible for me, I'm myopic as hell, > > but it > > said that with > > > >massive practice, the individuals could > actually > > do both > > write the words > > > >and > > > >read at normal rates with high comprehension. > So > > I > > figure that the > > > >differences between women and men in the > ability > > to do > > more than one task > > > >is > > > >primarily because of practice. As for the cell > > phone > > and driving, I'm not > > > >so sure. I always get uneasy when I'm notice > > someone > > driving and talking > > > >on > > > >a cell. > > > > > > > >MATT GARFF > > > >>From: Kelly Symes > > > >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > >>Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention > > > >>Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 07:07:01 -0700 (PDT) > > > >> > > > >>I don't feel that it is very hard to do most > > things at > > > >>once. I am horrible for this. It may just be > > the ADHD > > > >>coming out, but I would rather do more than > one > > thing > > > >>at once. It keeps my mind focused on the > things > > I am > > > >>doing as opposed to leaving all the time. I > > almost > > > >>have to have the TV on or talk to someone on > the > > phone > > > >>while I do my homework so that my mind doesn't > > get too > > > >>bored and wander off. I don't know if anybody > > else is > > > >>like that. I also find (Contrary to what D. > > Strayer > > > >>might say) that I am actually more focused > while > > > >>driving with a cell phone, don't get me wrong, > > most > > > >>people should hang up and drive, but I don't > > know if > > > >>that is the case for everybody. The only time > > the > > > >>cell phone impaires my driving is while I am > > dialing > > > >>--- E.J.Dickerson@m.cc.utah.edu wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > Is it possible to really focus on more than > > one > > > >> > skill at > > > >> > a time? It seems that the more experienced > > you are > > > >> > at > > > >> > preforming an activity the easier it is to > > preform > > > >> > that > > > >> > activity while doing something else. For > > example, > > > >> > whistling while working, or talking while > > driving. > > > >> > These > > > >> > are activities that most people are capable > > of doing > > > >> > at > > > >> > the same time. However, it seems impossible > > to > > > >> > preform > > > >> > more than one skill at a time, when one of > > those > > > >> > skills > > > >> > is a newly learned skill. For example, > > learning how > > > >> > to > > > >> > drive while talking on a cell phone. Our > > attention > > > >> > must > > > >> > select a specific activity to focus on in > > order > > > >> > preform > > > >> > the activity at an acceptable level of > > performance. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > >> > Psych3120 mailing list > > > >> > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > >> > > > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>_________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:43:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:43:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Karen Griffin kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] Re: Attention >From what I understand (and from personal experience) it is easy to do two things at once if one of the things is automatic. So, it's easy to carry on a conversation and walk at the same time because you don't have to concentrate on walking. It becomes harder when both things require concentration, or you have not practiced one or both of the items a lot. I do think the ability to multi-task is a learned behavior, however, and I do think that women have been conditioned to be better at it than men. As someone mentioned earlier, because of traditional responsibilities in a home, it would difficult to accomplish all that needs to be done if a woman was not adept at doing more than one thing at a time. In fact, I know very few women who can just sit and watch TV. Most have to be doing something with their hands, or it drives them crazy! Most men (I won't say all), on the other hand have learned to focus and concentrate on one task. I don't think it's genetic, I think it's learned. Karen Griffin --- Mexpebbles@aol.com wrote: > I agree with you on the fact that it is not likely > you can focus better when you are trying to do two > things at once. That really just doesn't seem > possible. You would have to be focusing on one of > the things more or not absorbing all the information > from both of them like you had mentioned. > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From wilson624@hotmail.com Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:45:12 MDT Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:45:12 MDT From: alanna wilson wilson624@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] depth perception Depth perception is something of interest to me. How many of you pay attention at how far something is or how close for that matter? Do we do it in our daily lives without realizing how much? Depth perception is very important when driving a car for instance. If you are not accurate on your interpretation then you are likely to get in an accident. I personally don't have very good depth perception when driving, particularly at night. I think I am a pretty good distance away from an object when the person in the passenger seat might be gripping the handle on the door because I'm so close. We don't always judge correctly the depth of an object. Maybe this is why baby's are often afraid of their crib. They are standing inside but if young are afraid to climb out due to a lack of development of the depth perception. Often times they might become very afraid whereas, older baby's have no problem climbing out because they are a little bit more developed. Of course this doesn't help my problem with the lack of a good depth perception while driving. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:50:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:50:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Karen Griffin kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] Power of suggestion I was reading in the textbook I'm using where the author talked about his young daughter who is convinced that she can remember her birth. He is surmising that what she "remembers" is a combination of the events surrounding her birth that she's heard her parents talk about over the years and the things she actually remembers about the birth of her younger sister. Karen Griffin --- Mad4madimac@aol.com wrote: > Chris, > I find your comment very interesting. I think > that it does have to do > with what we have been discussing at times, when he > speaks of eyewitness > testimony. Maybe it's not the same thing, but I > think that our minds are > very susceptible to even slight suggestions, as you > say, from maybe someone > who has a stronger will, or what we want to see or > perceive that may not be > based on reality. It makes me wonder whether our > basic views, of our > childhood for instance, have any basis in reality or > are they just our > perceptions of what happened to us. And like you > said, how often are we > persuaded by our environment, or our perceptions > from within? > Madison > #00155404 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:09:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:09:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Karen Griffin kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) I've even been wondering how effective any advertising is - subliminal or otherwise. I was walking around my house the other night singing the "Zoom-zoom" song from the car commercial that's out right now. Then I realized I didn't even know which car they were advertising! It was the same way with most of the ads during this past Superbowl. Then the other day I was listening to NPR and heard someone's explanation that a song or a jingle is more effective in advertising because people will remember the song and repeat it more than they'll remember and repeat the spoken word. I think this is true. How many of us can sing the Burger King jingle (maybe you are all too young, but I've heard it recently with the Back Street Boys singing it--"hold the pickles, hold the lettuce...")? Or the Band-aid, or Oscar Meyer songs? So, I guess the lesson here is if you're going to write a television ad, make sure you include your company's name in the song you put with the ad - not just "Zoom-Zoom!" Karen Griffin --- Lexi Monroe wrote: > Lexi Monroe > Psych 3120 > > I was just looking through the paper and I found > an article dealing with > just what we talked about the other day in class, > about subliminal messages. > It was talking about the Bush campaign that showed > RATS on the screen real > quickly during one of their commercials. The > newspaper says that it was > "denigrating" Vice President Gore. The article in > case anybody wants to see > it was in the Sept. 14th issue of the Salt Lake > Tribune. Anyway, in the > article it again reitterated however that subliminal > messages in advertising > doesn't seem to be effective. I guess what baffles > me is if studies have > shown that subliminal advertising doesn't work, then > why do advertisements > still use it? For example, how songs use subliminal > messages also, I mean, > no subliminal messaging is effective right? I don't > know, the mind is such > a complex thing, that maybe if it was done > differently, it could be > effective. Who knows? I just thought that was > interesting that there was a > big article talking about what we just talked about > in lecture the other > day. > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own > public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:18:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:18:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Karen Griffin kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] Split-Brain Patients I just ran across some information on this recently. It talked about the experiments that were done where objects were placed behind a piece of paper and then words were put on both the right and left side. When the objects were on the left side, the subjects were able to not only identify the object, but were also able to verbally communicate what the object was. If, however, the object and the word were placed on the right side, the subjects were able to identify the object, but they were unable to communicate it. It also talked that when the objects and the words were mixed up, e.g., the object on the right, but a different word on the left, the subjects would communicate the word on the left, not the object. I thought this would be interesting in the case of not only epileptics who had their corpus callosum severed, but also stroke patients. It would be very frustrating to have the language portion of the brain basically separate from the visual part of the brain and try to communicate with someone. You would have to learn to transfer things to the left side of your body to be able to effectively communicate what you were trying to say. Karen Griffin --- Kristin Ward wrote: > Sometimes, in severe cases of epilepsy, it becomes > necessary to sever the corpus callosum (the bridge > between brain hemispheres). This effectively makes > the left and right brain into two separate systems. > The patient still receives all of the visual > information from both visual fields because the > optic chiasm (which is in front of the corpus > callosum) remains intact, but can no longer share > the information between hemispheres after processing > has occured. What effect do you think this has on > visual perception and the individual's interaction > with his or her visual environment? > > Kristin > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From jpix@networld.com Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:34:32 -0600 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:34:32 -0600 From: Jeffrey Pixton jpix@networld.com Subject: [Psych3120] Attention I just wanted to go back to that idea of automaticity in regards to smoking while driving. Smoking is a habit and many times you are unaware that you are even holding a cigarette. It does not take much concentration to light a cigarette while driving because of the habituality of it. I also wanted to add that my insurance premiums are not higher because I am a smoker. I was unaware of this potential clause, but like you, I would be interested in understanding their logic on that one. Natalie Janovak -----Original Message----- From: Karen Griffin To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:38:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: Re: [Psych3120] Attention >I have heard that if you are doing something other >than watching the road and you get in an accident, you >will get a ticket, even if the accident was the fault >of the other driver. So, from the way I understand >it, if you get hit by another car, but you were >putting on makeup (lipstick), fooling with the radio, >had your cell phone out, eating, etc., you would get >some sort of ticket - not necessarily the ticket for >causing the accident, but I guess the thought is that >you could have avoided the accident if you had been >paying complete attention. > >I was also thinking about smokers - their car >insurance premiums are higher. I assume this is not >because of any risk of lung cancer, but that lighting >a cigarette, or putting one out could be a >distraction. There may be statistics to support this. > I'm not a smoker, so I've never checked into it, but >I've always thought it was interesting. > >Karen Griffin >--- "Richardson, Tim" >wrote: >> I have done that same thing except the scary part is >> that I went through the >> light and then a few hundred feet down the road I >> don't have any >> recollection of the light being green or any color. >> I hope that checking >> the light is such a mundane thing that I don't spend >> much time thinking >> about it, I just check it and go... >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jon Lallatin [mailto:jlallatin@yahoo.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 9:04 AM >> To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >> Subject: Re: Re: [Psych3120] Attention >> >> This ha happened to me too. I will be driving and >> come to a stop light. Before I know it I amdriving >> down the road but i don't remember the light turning >> green. >> >> --- Rachel Norris wrote: >> > I do think that doing any other task while driving >> > is very >> > dangerous. I notice that if I try to eat my >> > breakfast >> > while driving to school, I don't pay very good >> > attention to >> > the road and I'm more careless. Like someone else >> >> > mentioned, all of the sudden I'm to my destination >> > and I >> > have no idea how I got there. Very scary. >> > >> > > I have a question about driving and talking on >> > cell >> > phones and maybe >> > > Dr.Strayer will answer it later on, but I >> wondered >> > if >> > anyone had any ideas >> > > in the meantime. I'm not saying that it's good >> or >> > bad to >> > talk and drive, >> > > and I realize that it could distract people >> while >> > driving >> > by switching their >> > > attention and furthermore, you would only have >> one >> > free >> > hand. However, is >> > > talking on a cell phone while driving that much >> > different >> > than eating while >> > > driving or doing related things? If not, then >> > where do >> > you draw the line? >> > > What about switching radio stations, or trying >> to >> > find >> > something in the car? >> > > If anyone has any thoughts, please let me >> know. >> > > >> > > Greg >> > > >> > > >From: "matt garff" >> > > >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >> > > >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >> > > >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention >> > > >Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:05:59 MDT >> > > > >> > > >I read in our text today something that is >> > related to >> > the following >> > > >comment. >> > > > On pages 82-83, it talks about people that >> had >> > read >> > stories and also >> > > >listen to a tape recorder and write down the >> > words that >> > they hear. This >> > > >would be impossible for me, I'm myopic as hell, >> > but it >> > said that with >> > > >massive practice, the individuals could >> actually >> > do both >> > write the words >> > > >and >> > > >read at normal rates with high comprehension. >> So >> > I >> > figure that the >> > > >differences between women and men in the >> ability >> > to do >> > more than one task >> > > >is >> > > >primarily because of practice. As for the cell >> > phone >> > and driving, I'm not >> > > >so sure. I always get uneasy when I'm notice >> > someone >> > driving and talking >> > > >on >> > > >a cell. >> > > > >> > > >MATT GARFF >> > > >>From: Kelly Symes >> > > >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >> > > >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >> > > >>Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention >> > > >>Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 07:07:01 -0700 (PDT) >> > > >> >> > > >>I don't feel that it is very hard to do most >> > things at >> > > >>once. I am horrible for this. It may just be >> > the ADHD >> > > >>coming out, but I would rather do more than >> one >> > thing >> > > >>at once. It keeps my mind focused on the >> things >> > I am >> > > >>doing as opposed to leaving all the time. I >> > almost >> > > >>have to have the TV on or talk to someone on >> the >> > phone >> > > >>while I do my homework so that my mind doesn't >> > get too >> > > >>bored and wander off. I don't know if anybody >> > else is >> > > >>like that. I also find (Contrary to what D. >> > Strayer >> > > >>might say) that I am actually more focused >> while >> > > >>driving with a cell phone, don't get me wrong, >> > most >> > > >>people should hang up and drive, but I don't >> > know if >> > > >>that is the case for everybody. The only time >> > the >> > > >>cell phone impaires my driving is while I am >> > dialing >> > > >>--- E.J.Dickerson@m.cc.utah.edu wrote: >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Is it possible to really focus on more than >> > one >> > > >> > skill at >> > > >> > a time? It seems that the more experienced >> > you are >> > > >> > at >> > > >> > preforming an activity the easier it is to >> > preform >> > > >> > that >> > > >> > activity while doing something else. For >> > example, >> > > >> > whistling while working, or talking while >> > driving. >> > > >> > These >> > > >> > are activities that most people are capable >> > of doing >> > > >> > at >> > > >> > the same time. However, it seems impossible >> > to >> > > >> > preform >> > > >> > more than one skill at a time, when one of >> > those >> > > >> > skills >> > > >> > is a newly learned skill. For example, >> > learning how >> > > >> > to >> > > >> > drive while talking on a cell phone. Our >> > attention >> > > >> > must >> > > >> > select a specific activity to focus on in >> > order >> > > >> > preform >> > > >> > the activity at an acceptable level of >> > performance. >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > > >> > Psych3120 mailing list >> > > >> > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >> > > >> > >> > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > >> >>_________________________________________________ >> > > > >> > > >> >=== message truncated === > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com/ > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 ********************************* Get your free E-Mail and Homepage Go to http://www.networld.com ********************************* From jpix@networld.com Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:56:58 -0600 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:56:58 -0600 From: Jeffrey Pixton jpix@networld.com Subject: [Psych3120] attention while driving You're not alone there. I think those news reporters are hypnotic and I think that's what they want them to be. It is easy to take your attention off of the road to imagine what it would be like to be eating bugs in the jungle. I think that conversations or stories while driving are right up there with cell phones and danger, based on research that I have read which supports the idea that its not the physical handling of cell phones that is distracting. It is the actual conversation and involvement in the conversation that is distracting. I believe that it is Dr. Strayer who is very involved in this research. Natalie Janovak -----Original Message----- From: Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:05:55 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Psych3120] attention while driving > >There have been numerous times that I have been >listening to NPR (or some other news show on the >radio) while driving, and I will be so absorbed in the >show that I miss my exit or street or forget completely >where I was going. This either says alot about the >excellent quality of the news programming, or my lack of >intelligence... > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 ********************************* Get your free E-Mail and Homepage Go to http://www.networld.com ********************************* From artemishae@yahoo.com Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:15:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:15:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Kelly Symes artemishae@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] Attention This is in reguards to Karen's comment, How do the police know if someone is doing something else when the accident happened? --- Karen Griffin wrote: > I have heard that if you are doing something other > than watching the road and you get in an accident, > you > will get a ticket, even if the accident was the > fault > of the other driver. So, from the way I understand > it, if you get hit by another car, but you were > putting on makeup (lipstick), fooling with the > radio, > had your cell phone out, eating, etc., you would get > some sort of ticket - not necessarily the ticket for > causing the accident, but I guess the thought is > that > you could have avoided the accident if you had been > paying complete attention. > > I was also thinking about smokers - their car > insurance premiums are higher. I assume this is not > because of any risk of lung cancer, but that > lighting > a cigarette, or putting one out could be a > distraction. There may be statistics to support > this. > I'm not a smoker, so I've never checked into it, > but > I've always thought it was interesting. > > Karen Griffin > --- "Richardson, Tim" > wrote: > > I have done that same thing except the scary part > is > > that I went through the > > light and then a few hundred feet down the road I > > don't have any > > recollection of the light being green or any > color. > > I hope that checking > > the light is such a mundane thing that I don't > spend > > much time thinking > > about it, I just check it and go... > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jon Lallatin [mailto:jlallatin@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 9:04 AM > > To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > Subject: Re: Re: [Psych3120] Attention > > > > This ha happened to me too. I will be driving and > > come to a stop light. Before I know it I > amdriving > > down the road but i don't remember the light > turning > > green. > > > > --- Rachel Norris > wrote: > > > I do think that doing any other task while > driving > > > is very > > > dangerous. I notice that if I try to eat my > > > breakfast > > > while driving to school, I don't pay very good > > > attention to > > > the road and I'm more careless. Like someone > else > > > > > mentioned, all of the sudden I'm to my > destination > > > and I > > > have no idea how I got there. Very scary. > > > > > > > I have a question about driving and talking on > > > cell > > > phones and maybe > > > > Dr.Strayer will answer it later on, but I > > wondered > > > if > > > anyone had any ideas > > > > in the meantime. I'm not saying that it's > good > > or > > > bad to > > > talk and drive, > > > > and I realize that it could distract people > > while > > > driving > > > by switching their > > > > attention and furthermore, you would only have > > one > > > free > > > hand. However, is > > > > talking on a cell phone while driving that > much > > > different > > > than eating while > > > > driving or doing related things? If not, then > > > where do > > > you draw the line? > > > > What about switching radio stations, or trying > > to > > > find > > > something in the car? > > > > If anyone has any thoughts, please let me > > know. > > > > > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > >From: "matt garff" > > > > >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > > >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > > >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention > > > > >Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:05:59 MDT > > > > > > > > > >I read in our text today something that is > > > related to > > > the following > > > > >comment. > > > > > On pages 82-83, it talks about people that > > had > > > read > > > stories and also > > > > >listen to a tape recorder and write down the > > > words that > > > they hear. This > > > > >would be impossible for me, I'm myopic as > hell, > > > but it > > > said that with > > > > >massive practice, the individuals could > > actually > > > do both > > > write the words > > > > >and > > > > >read at normal rates with high comprehension. > > > So > > > I > > > figure that the > > > > >differences between women and men in the > > ability > > > to do > > > more than one task > > > > >is > > > > >primarily because of practice. As for the > cell > > > phone > > > and driving, I'm not > > > > >so sure. I always get uneasy when I'm notice > > > someone > > > driving and talking > > > > >on > > > > >a cell. > > > > > > > > > >MATT GARFF > > > > >>From: Kelly Symes > > > > >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > > >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > > >>Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention > > > > >>Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 07:07:01 -0700 (PDT) > > > > >> > > > > >>I don't feel that it is very hard to do most > > > things at > > > > >>once. I am horrible for this. It may just > be > > > the ADHD > > > > >>coming out, but I would rather do more than > > one > > > thing > > > > >>at once. It keeps my mind focused on the > > things > > > I am > > > > >>doing as opposed to leaving all the time. I > > > almost > > > > >>have to have the TV on or talk to someone on > > the > > > phone > > > > >>while I do my homework so that my mind > doesn't > > > get too > > > > >>bored and wander off. I don't know if > anybody > > > else is > > > > >>like that. I also find (Contrary to what D. > > > Strayer > > > > >>might say) that I am actually more focused > > while > > > > >>driving with a cell phone, don't get me > wrong, > > > most > > > > >>people should hang up and drive, but I don't > > > know if > > > > >>that is the case for everybody. The only > time > > > the > > > > >>cell phone impaires my driving is while I am > > > dialing > > > > >>--- E.J.Dickerson@m.cc.utah.edu wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Is it possible to really focus on more > than > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From artemishae@yahoo.com Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:25:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:25:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Kelly Symes artemishae@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] cell phones This is to Marcus. I don't feel that the cell phone is a distraction the whole time you are on it. It is kind of like your radio analogy. Sure you are distracted by changing the stations. This would be the same as dialing the phone, you have to look and concentrate. I think the phone is also like the radio in the idea that you don't have to concentrate to listen to the radio, and by the same token, I don't think you really need to concentrate to talk on the phone. You listen and sometimes sing along with the radio all the time, so it isn't like you just don't have to pay attention to it. I do think that maybe it distracts some people and if it is noticably distracting (ie swerveing, too fast or too slow of driving etc) but I don't think this applies to everyone. --- Marcus Kimsey wrote: > Accidents often happen when people take their > attention off the road, frequently when changing > radio > stations, looking for directions, etc. The main > difference between cell phones and other distractors > in a car is, in my opinion, the amount of time spent > on it. Changing the radio station dosen't take > long, > so hopefully a person checks the road makes sure > that > the situation is safe and looks at the radio. > Usually > the situation won't change much while their > attention > is away from the road. Talking on the phone takes > longer, but you can watch the road while you do it. > If you have a hands-free phone I don't imagine that > using it is much more distracting that talking to > someone in the car would be (how much that is varies > from person to person though.) However, if you are > holding your phone that adds one more factor to be > juggled if you suddenly have to respond to quickly > to > something, which could be dangerous. > I belive the state legislature is considering a > law > to ban mobile phone use while driving in the name of > safety. I don't have a cell phone but to me that > seems excessive. Still, I doubt that such a law > would > ever pass, I bet every one of our legislators has a > mobile phone. Any thoughts? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! > Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Mad4madimac@aol.com Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:39:17 EDT Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:39:17 EDT From: Mad4madimac@aol.com Mad4madimac@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] The color code For more information about the color code, go to www.thecolorcode.com it has all the info that you would need to get a hold of the book or get an outline of the system. It is an incredible way to see yourself and others around you. Madison #00155404 From ksheffield@sisna.com Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:35:10 -0600 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:35:10 -0600 From: Kelly R. Sheffield ksheffield@sisna.com Subject: [Psych3120] Attention This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C02268.57D08380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just wanted to comment on the discussion that's been going on = about the difference in the way that males and females direct their = attention. I don't know if I support the idea that women are more = likely to split their attention between multiple tasks. I think that = one indicator of whether a person will multi-task or not is certainly = their personality type. I, for example, am kind of a type "A" = personality. I tend to get stressed easily and I'm always thinking = about what I need to get done or should be doing. FOr this reason, I = can usually be found doing multiple things at once. If I talk on the = phone, I'm always doing something else at the same time, like cleaning = my house or folding laundry, etc. On the other hand, my husband is a = very calm and relaxed person. He is more likely to concentrate on doing = one thing at a time. So, I'd be interested to know whether some of you = think this is a gender difference or a personality difference that can = explain our behaviors. -Liz Gardner=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C02268.57D08380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    I just wanted to = comment on the=20 discussion that's been going on about the difference in the way that = males and=20 females direct their attention.  I don't know if I support the idea = that=20 women are more likely to split their attention between multiple = tasks.  I=20 think that one indicator of whether a person will multi-task or not is = certainly=20 their personality type.  I, for example, am kind of a type "A"=20 personality.  I tend to get stressed easily and I'm always = thinking=20 about what I need to get done or should be doing.  = FOr this=20 reason, I can usually be found doing multiple things at once.  If I = talk on=20 the phone, I'm always doing something else at the same time, like = cleaning my=20 house or folding laundry, etc.  On the other hand, my husband is a = very=20 calm and relaxed person.  He is more likely to concentrate on doing = one=20 thing at a time.  So, I'd be interested to know whether = some of=20 you think this is a gender difference or a personality difference that=20 can explain our behaviors.
 
-Liz = Gardner 
------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C02268.57D08380-- From Melissa.Lemon@m.cc.utah.edu Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:56:45 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:56:45 -0600 (MDT) From: Melissa.Lemon@m.cc.utah.edu Melissa.Lemon@m.cc.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] Attention/Vision In reading people's comments about attention and gender differences, I do not think that gender is all that you have to take into account. My husband and I are very different when it comes to attention. When I am doing something, anything in fact, I like to have 100% attention so I can get whatever it is I am doing, done quickly and accurately. For example, when I am at work performing a task, the radio could be on and someone could be talking to me and I would tune them both out almost completely to focus on what I am doing. This has earned me the nickname of "focused" at work. My husband on the other hand will do more than one thing at a time. I can do more than one thing at a time, I just choose not to. Perhaps personality has something to do with it then. Also, in reguards to people's questions about infants not being exposed to color, in Romanian orphanages children have been left in cribs of rooms that have plain white walls. Most of the time these children become blind. From becky@lumintech.com Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:12:58 -0600 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:12:58 -0600 From: Becky Alder becky@lumintech.com Subject: [Psych3120] Attention I was reading through some of the emails that came in since the lecture on Tuesday. I find the ability to direct attention very fascinating. It is ironic how when I need to read a text book I come up with every excuse to put it down. Then I have to force myself to pay attention, even then my mind wanders everywhere. On the other hand I can pick up a good fiction novel and read it all weekend, stay up until the ungodly hours of the night/morning, and even call in sick to work the next day just to finish the book. I even have to restrict my reading venues until I have a long weekend coming with nothing on the agenda! I also wanted to comment on the subliminal message idea. I believe that subliminal is any message that is trying to "sneak" into the line of ones attention. Therefore when one is watching a movie and the subjects are always standing next to a Pepsi machine or truck, that would also be a subliminal message. I know if I see that enough I start to crave a Pepsi! From garffdog@hotmail.com Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:21:16 MDT Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:21:16 MDT From: matt garff garffdog@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Re: Male Attention Actually, I have a hard time listening to the TV and talking on the phone at the same time. If I turn the TV down, I do ok, but I can't speak for all men. MATT GARFF 00144838 >From: CatherineW123@aol.com >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Re: Male Attention >Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:27:11 EDT > > In the study I saw it said that males have a hard time watching TV and >talking on the phone at once or playing Playstation and talking on the >phone. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kmarc1@yahoo.com Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:34:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:34:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Marcus Kimsey kmarc1@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] smoker's insurance Insurance companies collect collect incredible volumes of information on everyone that they can and see what is correlated with accidents and what is correlated with accident-free driving. One of the companies did a statistical analysis a while back (I think it was the late 70s) and found that smokers statistically got into more accidents than non-smokers, for whatever reason. They began to offer a non-smoker discount in order to attract more of these "safer" drivers (and have to make fewer payouts.) I don't know if anyone has ever tried to establish a causal relationship between smoking and accidents, or even if the discount is even offered anymore. I'm a non-smoker and I haven't got one. Anyway maybe the accident rates have changed, we all know that correlation does not prove causation. Really, back in the seventies almost everyone smoked, so maybe the non-smokers were all really anal retentive or something and thus avoided accidents by being at home obsessing about how their lawn was cut. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From jefbruwid@excite.com Wed, 20 Sep 2000 19:43:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 19:43:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Widdison jefbruwid@excite.com Subject: [Psych3120] Music; does it stimulate or limit attention I have always understood that you are not suppose to listen to music while you study because of limited capacity. I absolutely agree, to a point. Whenever I am trying to read, write, or analyze a particular problem, I need almost complete silence. I've tried with music before, and I find that I either concentrate on my studies and next thing I know, the CD ends, or else I listen to the music and stay on the same reading page for 30 minutes. Now, with other sorts of activities, music almost inspires me and it stimulates my capabilities. For example, when I had a drawing class, I couldn't do any art, unless I had some headphones on. Same with mathematics, I do so much better with music of any type. Then of course with athletic performances, such as working out in a weight room, music is so much more of an aid, and does not damage any attention. My question to this is the following: Instead of seeing limited capacity as one big tank that can be filled all at once, can we seperate it into two segments? Perhaps left side of brain vs. right side? Or maybe comprehensive thinking vs. artistic thinking? I would predict that our comprehensive attention would be a lot more limited than anything else. Jeff Widdison #00153153 _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From mattdhubby@hotmail.com Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:38:09 MDT Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:38:09 MDT From: matt wilson mattdhubby@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] psych3120 The concept of selective attention is a very interesting one. The idea that we can actually "tune out" the sounds that we don't want to hear. We have all experienced selective attention; when we are at a concert talking to some friends, at a football game, or any other time when we have a thousand sounds and other noises around that we don't necessarily want to listen to. I suppose the downside to our power of selective attention is when that power is used against us. I have a friend who I can talk to for several minutes without her realizing I'm actually talking. She can be looking right at me, but her focus will be in a completely different place. I call it her blackout mode. It completely fascinates me how she can be looking right in my eyes, yet not be hearing a word I'm saying. I suppose you could just call her the superwoman of selective attention. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kwan_carrie@hotmail.com Wed, 20 Sep 2000 22:58:57 MDT Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 22:58:57 MDT From: Carrie Kwan kwan_carrie@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] selective attention I have a question about selective attention. When we performed the exercises in class that showed us how limited our perceptual scope is, I wondered how that works with say like special agents or detectives. I once heard that when a normal person walk in a room and leave after a little while, that person would have difficulty giving detail descriptions of everything in the room. For example, most people wouldn't be able to tell you what color the vase was, the texture of the curtains, what direction the telephone was facing, if there was a pen on the table, and so on. However, a person after considerable training, would be able to give precise detail of everything in a given setting, even if they were talking to someone or doing something that may require their attention. How does the selective attention theory explain this pheonomenon? Can training compensate for our selective attention limitations? Or does special training simply allow a person to focus object to object at an incredible speed? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From ethanfinley@hotmail.com Thu, 21 Sep 2000 07:30:03 MDT Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 07:30:03 MDT From: Ethan Finley ethanfinley@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Attention models I'm very interested in the models of attention discussed in our book. As Dr. Strayer has mentioned in class, a lot of these models of cognition are steeped very much in an engineering tradition (that is to say, take on a very schematic, mechanical nature). I quite like how the book summarized the history of the development of our current models of attention. From the filter theory all the way up to very refined ideas of attenuation, I found this explanation to be very asthetically pleasing. What I mean by this is that it has simplicity, it is quite clear, and it accounts for all aspects of our attentional processes. I guess that is what makes a good theory or model. Here is the crux of my message though, and I hate to play the devil's advocate on this one, but I know this is the very kind of question which gets tossed around in academic and clinical circles: when we speak of some mental "energy", some "fuel", or some "limited potential", WHAT exactly are we speaking of? What constitutes this idea in the material world. Essentially, what is attention besides the concept of attention? I hope that made sense. I'm just asking from the perspective of a hard scientist, an empiricist, who would want proof of this construct's existence. I recall that, while Freud's ideas if the Id, Ego, and Superego might have accounted for many aspects of personality, behavior, and even pathology, these and many others of his ideas were pummeled by scientists because they COULDN'T be substantiated in a labaratory setting. Still, something like the partical-wave theory of light, while obviously not what is actually happening in reality, is a useful MODEL because it helps us UNDERSTAND the phenomenon of light. I think that this Attenuation Model similarly helps us understand this idea of "attention"......whatever IT is! :) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From CatherineW123@aol.com Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:04:45 EDT Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:04:45 EDT From: CatherineW123@aol.com CatherineW123@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] Attention I guess the police would know if you were doing something else when the accident happened if there was a witness to the accident or if you admitted what you were doing. From CatherineW123@aol.com Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:07:23 EDT Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:07:23 EDT From: CatherineW123@aol.com CatherineW123@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] smoker's insurance I am a nonsmoker and my insurance company still gives me the discount. From M.Burchett@m.cc.utah.edu Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:53:44 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:53:44 -0600 (MDT) From: M.Burchett@m.cc.utah.edu M.Burchett@m.cc.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] selective attention Quoting Carrie Kwan : > I have a question about selective attention. When we performed the > exercises > in class that showed us how limited our perceptual scope is, I wondered how > > that works with say like special agents or detectives. I once heard that > when a normal person walk in a room and leave after a little while, that > person would have difficulty giving detail descriptions of everything in > the > room. For example, most people wouldn't be able to tell you what color the > vase was, the texture of the curtains, what direction the telephone was > facing, if there was a pen on the table, and so on. However, a person after > > considerable training, would be able to give precise detail of everything > in > a given setting, even if they were talking to someone or doing something > that may require their attention. How does the selective attention theory > explain this pheonomenon? Can training compensate for our selective > attention limitations? Or does special training simply allow a person to > focus object to object at an incredible speed? Though I am not familiar with the phenomenon you describe here, I believe that detectives are more aware of their surroundings than typical people. I think you are correct about this being due to their special training in that area, not to mention their continual practice in the field. The section in the book on automaticity would explain this in more detail than I would be able to relate here. Any of us find certain things more interesting than others and are therefore more likely to aattend to these things. Our textbook author gives the example of psychology for himself. Whenever he hears the words "psychology" in a conversation, he is likely to attend to that conversation. Therefore, he is more likely to walk away from that conversation with a more detailed knowledge of hte parts of the conversation that pertained to psychology than a lay person would. The same is true fo rthe detective. A detective would be interested in "clues" from the environment. Their mind would be drawn to these aspects of the environment and they would be able to describe the environment in more detail later. It is simply because the environment captures their interest and holds their attention. But, I doubt they would be able to tell you about their conversation with another person in the same amount of detail (unless it pertained to the situation and provided more "clues".) It is amazing to us because the environment simply doesn't capture our attention the same way. I'm sure the detective would be amazed at the clarity with which we can recall the things that do capture our attention though. From lauraebarron@hotmail.com Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:55:22 MDT Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:55:22 MDT From: laura barron lauraebarron@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] selective attention from what understood in the lecture about selective attention, the major problem with it is that it doesn't explain how that can be. it suggests that we are only able to focus on one thing at a time, but we can be trained for focus on more than one thing at a time, and pay equal attention to both of them. it doesn't explain how we can know what is going on around us when we are focusing on one thing in particular. there are come holes in the theory, but i suppose that's why it is just a theory. -laura barron From: "Carrie Kwan" Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] selective attention Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 22:58:57 MDT I have a question about selective attention. When we performed the exercises in class that showed us how limited our perceptual scope is, I wondered how that works with say like special agents or detectives. I once heard that when a normal person walk in a room and leave after a little while, that person would have difficulty giving detail descriptions of everything in the room. For example, most people wouldn't be able to tell you what color the vase was, the texture of the curtains, what direction the telephone was facing, if there was a pen on the table, and so on. However, a person after considerable training, would be able to give precise detail of everything in a given setting, even if they were talking to someone or doing something that may require their attention. How does the selective attention theory explain this pheonomenon? Can training compensate for our selective attention limitations? Or does special training simply allow a person to focus object to object at an incredible speed? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From ilikeduplos@hotmail.com Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:04:20 MDT Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:04:20 MDT From: Erica Fleming ilikeduplos@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] attention I think that it totally depends on the task that you are doing on whether or not you can do two or more things at once. For instance if you are talking and walking, usually this is not too difficult. Verses if you were to be writing a paper and listening to punk music, that might be a bit more difficult. Also in class today I enjoyed hearing the lecture on cellular phones and driving. I think that talking on the phone and driving is very dangerous. I know this because I tried it once or twice this summer and I had a lot of trouble trying to focus on the road and the persons conversation. Also, dialing the numbers, remembering the message or a phone number is hard enough to do when your just sitting on your couch. But adding driving to this equation makes it almost impossible for me. I actually get upset when I see other people talking on their cellular phones when they are driving because usually they just end up cutting me off or doing something very choppy and impulsive on the road. It also makes sense that some parents don't allow their teenage kids (who just got their license) to ride around with friends. I think that the friends and that sort of talking and yelling, listening to music can be just as distracting as the phone is. erica _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From ilikeduplos@hotmail.com Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:08:45 MDT Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:08:45 MDT From: Erica Fleming ilikeduplos@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) I agree, I would definitely perk my ears up if I heard someone change their tone of voice from sad to happy or the other way around. erica From: SilAcciardi@aol.com Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 01:58:28 EDT To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] Emotion Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Maybe I just didn't pay enough attention (hee hee) in class today, so tell me if I am being an idiot. Throughout the lecture I couldn't help but wounder if the tone of voice used in the two messages made any difference. For example, if the voice in message one was calm and relaxed and the one in message two sounded distressed and almost on the verge of tears, would that effect the amount of attention paid to either. Maybe I am just a really sensitive person, but I would be more inclined to listen to the person who was upset, even if they were speaking complete nonsense. Any thoughts??????? Silvana Acciardi _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From falsecents@hotmail.com Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:10:04 GMT Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:10:04 GMT From: F.C.S. S.L.C. falsecents@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] subliminal messages >From: "Jeffrey Pixton" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] subliminal messages >Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 08:48:25 -0600 > >During yesterday's lecture which touched on subliminal messaging, I was >reminded of a character on Saturday Night Live who used it in his >skits. I believe it was the newscaster Tom Nealon and as he discussed >the news he would make one-word comments in response to the story and >make it sound like it was part of the news story. Does anyone remember >this? I just thought it was interesting as an exxagerated example of >subliminal messaging. >Natalie Janovak > > > > >********************************* >Get your free E-Mail and Homepage >Go to http://www.networld.com >********************************* > > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 The other day I saw a news program on Fox News Channel. A panel was discussing the "rats" commercial made by the Republicans. There were two psychologists arguing over the effects of subliminal messages on peoples behavior. In classes we have been told that there is minimal effect with the use of subliminal messages, yet this guy named several studies that say the opposite. He was convinced that this commercial would change peoples votes. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:58:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:58:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Karen Griffin kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] selective attention >From what I understand about selective attention, we filter out those things that we hear and see and only focus on what is important to us. That might be a conversation we're engaged it, or it might be hearing our name at a party (the cocktail party phenomenon). If what we hear or see, as is stated below, is important to us we will focus on it. But I was also thinking about not being able to focus on something because of a distraction. It is so annoying to me when someone talks during a movie. The interesting thing is that I often cannot tell what they're talking about, but I also can't fully concentrate on the movie because they're talking. I'm not sure if the theories would apply to this or not, but it would seem that the volume of the soundtrack and the fact that I want to enjoy the movie would be enough to be able to filter the talking out, but it isn't. Any thoughts? --- M.Burchett@m.cc.utah.edu wrote: > > Quoting Carrie Kwan : > > > I have a question about selective attention. When > we performed the > > exercises > > in class that showed us how limited our perceptual > scope is, I wondered how > > > > that works with say like special agents or > detectives. I once heard that > > when a normal person walk in a room and leave > after a little while, that > > person would have difficulty giving detail > descriptions of everything in > > the > > room. For example, most people wouldn't be able to > tell you what color the > > vase was, the texture of the curtains, what > direction the telephone was > > facing, if there was a pen on the table, and so > on. However, a person after > > > > considerable training, would be able to give > precise detail of everything > > in > > a given setting, even if they were talking to > someone or doing something > > that may require their attention. How does the > selective attention theory > > explain this pheonomenon? Can training compensate > for our selective > > attention limitations? Or does special training > simply allow a person to > > focus object to object at an incredible speed? > > Though I am not familiar with the phenomenon you > describe > here, I believe that detectives are more aware of > their > surroundings than typical people. I think you are > correct about this being due to their special > training in > that area, not to mention their continual practice > in the > field. The section in the book on automaticity > would > explain this in more detail than I would be able to > relate here. > Any of us find certain things more interesting than > > others and are therefore more likely to aattend to > these > things. Our textbook author gives the example of > psychology for himself. Whenever he hears the words > > "psychology" in a conversation, he is likely to > attend to > that conversation. Therefore, he is more likely to > walk > away from that conversation with a more detailed > knowledge of hte parts of the conversation that > pertained > to psychology than a lay person would. The same is > true > fo rthe detective. A detective would be interested > in > "clues" from the environment. Their mind would be > drawn > to these aspects of the environment and they would > be > able to describe the environment in more detail > later. > It is simply because the environment captures their > interest and holds their attention. But, I doubt > they > would be able to tell you about their conversation > with > another person in the same amount of detail (unless > it > pertained to the situation and provided more > "clues".) > It is amazing to us because the environment simply > doesn't capture our attention the same way. I'm > sure the > detective would be amazed at the clarity with which > we > can recall the things that do capture our attention > though. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From klmacurdy@hotmail.com Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:11:21 GMT Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:11:21 GMT From: Karen Macurdy klmacurdy@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Attention I had the same thought during class today as Silvana when Dr. Strayer said that the "hands free" phones didn't decrease how much people were distracted. If that is the case, then having a conversation with someone who is in the car with you should have the same effect. Yet, it does not seem like it would be very practical to try to dissuade people from carrying on conversations with a passenger while they're driving, and even less practical to try to persuade people not to drive with others in the car. We would have to discourage, rather than encourage, carpooling and such. I have also been guilty of talking on a cell phone while driving. I did notice that it was difficult. However, my greatest difficulty was not having both hands free. My car is a stick shift without power steering, driving is a two-handed job. But I didn't notice much difference between talking to someone sitting next to me and talking on the phone when I was using the "hands free" feature. Anybody else experience this sort of difference? Karen Leishman >From: SilAcciardi@aol.com >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention >Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 01:48:54 EDT > >I am sorry to say that I am one of those dreaded people who occasionally >drives while talking on my cell phone. As far as only being left with one >hand to drive, I am always driving with one hand anyway, with the other >relaxing on the gear shift, so there is no effect on me in that respect. I >have never found it particularly more difficult to focus on driving and I >think that is because I talk in other situations when I am driving as well. >For instance when I have friends in the car, I will engage in conversation >the entire time that I am driving from point A to B. Basically, what I am >trying to say, is that I find it no more distracting being on my cell phone >than I do when there is actually someone in the car with me. The only >problem that I can see is with having to dial the number you are calling >before making a call. That is just what I think. > >Silvana Acciardi > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:37:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:37:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Karen Griffin kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] Music; does it stimulate or limit attention I have often wondered if the left brain / right brain theory comes in to play with what you're talking about. When I'm doing something that is left brain (I think I have this correct)like math, then a distraction, such as music helps. I think this may be because it turns my right brain off, or allows my right brain to focus on the music, and allows me to think more logically with my left brain. It seems that I remember discussing this in another psychology class that you can do this if you listen to music that is familiar. This makes sense given the attention discussion that you can do more than one thing at a time if at least one of the things is more practiced. --- Jeff Widdison wrote: > I have always understood that you are not suppose to > listen to music while > you study because of limited capacity. I absolutely > agree, to a point. > Whenever I am trying to read, write, or analyze a > particular problem, I need > almost complete silence. I've tried with music > before, and I find that I > either concentrate on my studies and next thing I > know, the CD ends, or else > I listen to the music and stay on the same reading > page for 30 minutes. > Now, with other sorts of activities, music almost > inspires me and it > stimulates my capabilities. For example, when I had > a drawing class, I > couldn't do any art, unless I had some headphones > on. Same with > mathematics, I do so much better with music of any > type. Then of course > with athletic performances, such as working out in a > weight room, music is > so much more of an aid, and does not damage any > attention. > My question to this is the following: Instead of > seeing limited capacity as > one big tank that can be filled all at once, can we > seperate it into two > segments? Perhaps left side of brain vs. right > side? Or maybe > comprehensive thinking vs. artistic thinking? I > would predict that our > comprehensive attention would be a lot more limited > than anything else. > Jeff Widdison #00153153 > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Say Bye to Slow Internet! > http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:43:22 -0600 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:43:22 -0600 From: Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com Subject: [Psych3120] Attention Yes, I find that even with having a conversation in the car with a passenger, I tend to miss the exit we are suppose to get off on, due to focusing on the conversation. My attention is totally selective because I am only focusing on that conversation. Leonard Cancel 00180520 >---------- >From: Karen Macurdy[SMTP:klmacurdy@hotmail.com] >Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 1:11 PM >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention > >I had the same thought during class today as Silvana when Dr. Strayer said >that the "hands free" phones didn't decrease how much people were >distracted. If that is the case, then having a conversation with someone >who is in the car with you should have the same effect. Yet, it does not >seem like it would be very practical to try to dissuade people from carrying >on conversations with a passenger while they're driving, and even less >practical to try to persuade people not to drive with others in the car. We >would have to discourage, rather than encourage, carpooling and such. I >have also been guilty of talking on a cell phone while driving. I did >notice that it was difficult. However, my greatest difficulty was not >having both hands free. My car is a stick shift without power steering, >driving is a two-handed job. But I didn't notice much difference between >talking to someone sitting next to me and talking on the phone when I was >using the "hands free" feature. Anybody else experience this sort of >difference? > >Karen Leishman > > >>From: SilAcciardi@aol.com >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention >>Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 01:48:54 EDT >> >>I am sorry to say that I am one of those dreaded people who occasionally >>drives while talking on my cell phone. As far as only being left with one >>hand to drive, I am always driving with one hand anyway, with the other >>relaxing on the gear shift, so there is no effect on me in that respect. I >>have never found it particularly more difficult to focus on driving and I >>think that is because I talk in other situations when I am driving as well. >>For instance when I have friends in the car, I will engage in conversation >>the entire time that I am driving from point A to B. Basically, what I am >>trying to say, is that I find it no more distracting being on my cell phone >>than I do when there is actually someone in the car with me. The only >>problem that I can see is with having to dial the number you are calling >>before making a call. That is just what I think. >> >>Silvana Acciardi >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Psych3120 mailing list >>Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From yellekb@yahoo.com Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:44:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:44:51 -0700 (PDT) From: kelly stucki yellekb@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] Re: Male Attention I know that when i am talking on a phone to a guy that is watching the TV, i am basically talking to myself. I don't know if it is just males, but i know that i have trouble paying attention to someone when I am watching a show that i am interested in. That is why i get so frustrated when i talk to a guy and he is paying attention to the tv and not to me. because i know that if i can't pay attention to both, than i know that he can't. kelly stucki #0065165 --- matt garff wrote: > Actually, I have a hard time listening to the TV and > talking on the phone at > the same time. If I turn the TV down, I do ok, but > I can't speak for all > men. > > MATT GARFF 00144838 > > > >From: CatherineW123@aol.com > >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Re: Male Attention > >Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:27:11 EDT > > > > In the study I saw it said that males have a > hard time watching TV and > >talking on the phone at once or playing Playstation > and talking on the > >phone. > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Psych3120 mailing list > >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own > public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 ===== STUCKI POWER!!!!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:53:59 -0600 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:53:59 -0600 From: Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com Subject: [Psych3120] selective attention I find that I do this all the time. I am a customer service trainer at a call center. I find that when I am on the phone dealing with a particular situation, I can filter out other conversations, but when I hear something being said incorrectly, I can hear it clearly. Yes, I do filter what the person on the phone was saying to me (I don't recall the last thing they said) and focus on the the other conversation. My position has forced me to train myself to listen and filter noise in matter of seconds thoughtout my shift. Yet, having a conversation in a car with a passenger makes me (not all the time) miss an exit? Leonard Cancel #00180520 >---------- >From: Karen Griffin[SMTP:kgriffin2001@yahoo.com] >Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 12:58 PM >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] selective attention > >From what I understand about selective attention, we >filter out those things that we hear and see and only >focus on what is important to us. That might be a >conversation we're engaged it, or it might be hearing >our name at a party (the cocktail party phenomenon). >If what we hear or see, as is stated below, is >important to us we will focus on it. > >But I was also thinking about not being able to focus >on something because of a distraction. It is so >annoying to me when someone talks during a movie. The >interesting thing is that I often cannot tell what >they're talking about, but I also can't fully >concentrate on the movie because they're talking. I'm >not sure if the theories would apply to this or not, >but it would seem that the volume of the soundtrack >and the fact that I want to enjoy the movie would be >enough to be able to filter the talking out, but it >isn't. Any thoughts? >--- M.Burchett@m.cc.utah.edu wrote: >> >> Quoting Carrie Kwan : >> >> > I have a question about selective attention. When >> we performed the >> > exercises >> > in class that showed us how limited our perceptual >> scope is, I wondered how >> > >> > that works with say like special agents or >> detectives. I once heard that >> > when a normal person walk in a room and leave >> after a little while, that >> > person would have difficulty giving detail >> descriptions of everything in >> > the >> > room. For example, most people wouldn't be able to >> tell you what color the >> > vase was, the texture of the curtains, what >> direction the telephone was >> > facing, if there was a pen on the table, and so >> on. However, a person after >> > >> > considerable training, would be able to give >> precise detail of everything >> > in >> > a given setting, even if they were talking to >> someone or doing something >> > that may require their attention. How does the >> selective attention theory >> > explain this pheonomenon? Can training compensate >> for our selective >> > attention limitations? Or does special training >> simply allow a person to >> > focus object to object at an incredible speed? >> >> Though I am not familiar with the phenomenon you >> describe >> here, I believe that detectives are more aware of >> their >> surroundings than typical people. I think you are >> correct about this being due to their special >> training in >> that area, not to mention their continual practice >> in the >> field. The section in the book on automaticity >> would >> explain this in more detail than I would be able to >> relate here. >> Any of us find certain things more interesting than >> >> others and are therefore more likely to aattend to >> these >> things. Our textbook author gives the example of >> psychology for himself. Whenever he hears the words >> >> "psychology" in a conversation, he is likely to >> attend to >> that conversation. Therefore, he is more likely to >> walk >> away from that conversation with a more detailed >> knowledge of hte parts of the conversation that >> pertained >> to psychology than a lay person would. The same is >> true >> fo rthe detective. A detective would be interested >> in >> "clues" from the environment. Their mind would be >> drawn >> to these aspects of the environment and they would >> be >> able to describe the environment in more detail >> later. >> It is simply because the environment captures their >> interest and holds their attention. But, I doubt >> they >> would be able to tell you about their conversation >> with >> another person in the same amount of detail (unless >> it >> pertained to the situation and provided more >> "clues".) >> It is amazing to us because the environment simply >> doesn't capture our attention the same way. I'm >> sure the >> detective would be amazed at the clarity with which >> we >> can recall the things that do capture our attention >> though. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Psych3120 mailing list >> Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >> http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com/ > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From garffdog@hotmail.com Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:51:24 MDT Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:51:24 MDT From: matt garff garffdog@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Attention I asked Dr Strayer about this after class. Basically he said that when someone is in the car, they are aware of the Driving conditions and variables(red lights, cars cutting you off) so the conversation waxes and wanes by both parties because of that, allowing the driver to focus on things other than the conversation. With a cell phone, the other person is not aware of those things, and therefore, the driver has to use more of their attentional capacity to carry on a cell phone conversation, leaving less for driving. MATT GARFF 00144838 >From: "Karen Macurdy" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention >Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:11:21 GMT > >I had the same thought during class today as Silvana when Dr. Strayer said >that the "hands free" phones didn't decrease how much people were >distracted. If that is the case, then having a conversation with someone >who is in the car with you should have the same effect. Yet, it does not >seem like it would be very practical to try to dissuade people from >carrying >on conversations with a passenger while they're driving, and even less >practical to try to persuade people not to drive with others in the car. >We >would have to discourage, rather than encourage, carpooling and such. I >have also been guilty of talking on a cell phone while driving. I did >notice that it was difficult. However, my greatest difficulty was not >having both hands free. My car is a stick shift without power steering, >driving is a two-handed job. But I didn't notice much difference between >talking to someone sitting next to me and talking on the phone when I was >using the "hands free" feature. Anybody else experience this sort of >difference? > >Karen Leishman > > >>From: SilAcciardi@aol.com >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention >>Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 01:48:54 EDT >> >>I am sorry to say that I am one of those dreaded people who occasionally >>drives while talking on my cell phone. As far as only being left with one >>hand to drive, I am always driving with one hand anyway, with the other >>relaxing on the gear shift, so there is no effect on me in that respect. >>I >>have never found it particularly more difficult to focus on driving and I >>think that is because I talk in other situations when I am driving as >>well. >>For instance when I have friends in the car, I will engage in conversation >>the entire time that I am driving from point A to B. Basically, what I am >>trying to say, is that I find it no more distracting being on my cell >>phone >>than I do when there is actually someone in the car with me. The only >>problem that I can see is with having to dial the number you are calling >>before making a call. That is just what I think. >> >>Silvana Acciardi >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Psych3120 mailing list >>Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:01:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:01:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Karen Griffin kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] Attention I based my earlier comment on remembering that a co-worker got a ticket from an accident even though he didn't cause the accident. I thought I had been told that the ticket was for not paying complete attention. So, today I called the Highway Patrol just to clarify this and what you've said is correct. If they don't know that something else was going on, you won't get a ticket. I was also told that if what you are doing is not against the law, i.e., eating in the car, then you won't get a ticket. However, if what you are doing contributes to the accident, and/or is against the law (i.e., speeding) then you may get ticketed. The officer I spoke with gave me two examples. A few years ago there was a major accident caused when a young woman was fooling with her handbag on the floor. She was speeding and changing lanes and ran under a semi-truck. She was ticketed for causing the accident. She had also admitted that she was distracted by trying to get in her purse, so they knew that was what had happened. The officer also told me about someone that he arrested a few weeks ago who was swerving into another lane and traveling at a high rate of speed and when this person passed the trooper he saw that the driver was reading a book. He pulled him over and charged him with reckless driving. So, a long way around to say that my memory was faulty (I wasn't even an eyewitness!). There must have been something illegal that my friend was doing to get a ticket for an accident that he didn't cause. Sorry for the bad info! Karen G. --- Kelly Symes wrote: > This is in reguards to Karen's comment, How do the > police know if someone is doing something else when > the accident happened? > --- Karen Griffin wrote: > > I have heard that if you are doing something other > > than watching the road and you get in an accident, > > you > > will get a ticket, even if the accident was the > > fault > > of the other driver. So, from the way I > understand > > it, if you get hit by another car, but you were > > putting on makeup (lipstick), fooling with the > > radio, > > had your cell phone out, eating, etc., you would > get > > some sort of ticket - not necessarily the ticket > for > > causing the accident, but I guess the thought is > > that > > you could have avoided the accident if you had > been > > paying complete attention. > > > > I was also thinking about smokers - their car > > insurance premiums are higher. I assume this is > not > > because of any risk of lung cancer, but that > > lighting > > a cigarette, or putting one out could be a > > distraction. There may be statistics to support > > this. > > I'm not a smoker, so I've never checked into it, > > but > > I've always thought it was interesting. > > > > Karen Griffin > > --- "Richardson, Tim" > > wrote: > > > I have done that same thing except the scary > part > > is > > > that I went through the > > > light and then a few hundred feet down the road > I > > > don't have any > > > recollection of the light being green or any > > color. > > > I hope that checking > > > the light is such a mundane thing that I don't > > spend > > > much time thinking > > > about it, I just check it and go... > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Jon Lallatin [mailto:jlallatin@yahoo.com] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 9:04 AM > > > To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > Subject: Re: Re: [Psych3120] Attention > > > > > > This ha happened to me too. I will be driving > and > > > come to a stop light. Before I know it I > > amdriving > > > down the road but i don't remember the light > > turning > > > green. > > > > > > --- Rachel Norris > > wrote: > > > > I do think that doing any other task while > > driving > > > > is very > > > > dangerous. I notice that if I try to eat my > > > > breakfast > > > > while driving to school, I don't pay very good > > > > attention to > > > > the road and I'm more careless. Like someone > > else > > > > > > > mentioned, all of the sudden I'm to my > > destination > > > > and I > > > > have no idea how I got there. Very scary. > > > > > > > > > I have a question about driving and talking > on > > > > cell > > > > phones and maybe > > > > > Dr.Strayer will answer it later on, but I > > > wondered > > > > if > > > > anyone had any ideas > > > > > in the meantime. I'm not saying that it's > > good > > > or > > > > bad to > > > > talk and drive, > > > > > and I realize that it could distract people > > > while > > > > driving > > > > by switching their > > > > > attention and furthermore, you would only > have > > > one > > > > free > > > > hand. However, is > > > > > talking on a cell phone while driving that > > much > > > > different > > > > than eating while > > > > > driving or doing related things? If not, > then > > > > where do > > > > you draw the line? > > > > > What about switching radio stations, or > trying > > > to > > > > find > > > > something in the car? > > > > > If anyone has any thoughts, please let me > > > know. > > > > > > > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > > > >From: "matt garff" > > > > > >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > > > >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > > > >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention > > > > > >Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:05:59 MDT > > > > > > > > > > > >I read in our text today something that is > > > > related to > > > > the following > > > > > >comment. > > > > > > On pages 82-83, it talks about people > that > > > had > > > > read > > > > stories and also > > > > > >listen to a tape recorder and write down > the > > > > words that > > > > they hear. This > > > > > >would be impossible for me, I'm myopic as > > hell, > > > > but it > > > > said that with > > > > > >massive practice, the individuals could > > > actually > > > > do both > > > > write the words > > > > > >and > > > > > >read at normal rates with high > comprehension. > > > > > So > > > > I > > > > figure that the > > > > > >differences between women and men in the > > > ability > > > > to do > > > > more than one task > > > > > >is > > > > > >primarily because of practice. As for the > > cell > > > > phone > > > > and driving, I'm not > > > > > >so sure. I always get uneasy when I'm > notice > > > > someone > > > > driving and talking > > > > > >on > > > > > >a cell. > > > > > > > > > > > >MATT GARFF > > > > > >>From: Kelly Symes > > > > > >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > > > >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > > > >>Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention > > > > > >>Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 07:07:01 -0700 > (PDT) > > > > > >> > > > > > >>I don't feel that it is very hard to do > most > > > > things at > > > > > >>once. I am horrible for this. It may just > > be > > > > the ADHD > > > > > >>coming out, but I would rather do more > than > > > one > > > > thing > > > > > >>at once. It keeps my mind focused on the > > > things > > > > I am > > > > > >>doing as opposed to leaving all the time. > I > > > > almost > > > > > >>have to have the TV on or talk to someone > on > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From candyphi@hotmail.com Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:12:37 GMT Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:12:37 GMT From: candyphi nguyen candyphi@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] STUDY GUIDE 1 I'm passing this around so everyone will have a chance to fill in the answer. Just put down what you know and we will have the complete information for the up comming test. I already answer #5, please read the answer and add on to it if you see anything's missng. Thank you! Study Guide I The study questions below constitute a subset of the information which is required for the first exam. Four of these questions will appear as "short answer" questions on the exam (you can use up to one full page for each answer). Many of the questions have multiple parts -- make sure you read and answer all parts of each question. Be advised that advanced preparation will facilitate your performance on the exam. Feel free to work with others on your answers (including the class message board). 1.A yellow butterfly swoops past the left side of your head and lands on a green plant in front of you. Describe in detail how this information is processed by the visual system. 2.Discuss the importance of Gestalt organizational principles in perception. Why are these ideas important? 3.The perception of depth is important for navigation in the world. Describe the sources of information which aid in depth perception. 4.What are constancies and illusions. Why are they important and what do they tell us about perception? 5.Briefly describe the two theories of color vision. How do they account for the perception of color? Answer: 1)Trichromatic theory (Young-Helmholtz) Cones = color vision Three types of cones All cones are active but to different levels (more sensetive to different wavelengths) Blue cone : short wavelength, green cone: medium wave length, red cone: long wave length. EX: high active in blue: minimum in green and red Purple: high active in blue, minimum in green, high in red 2)Opponent process theory "lateral nucleus" higher level than cone. Between green-red, when red shine will increase activity and when green shine, decrease activity. Between Blue-Yellow, blue shine will increase activity and yellow will decrease activity. From that point, we can see that red will pair with blue and green pair with yellow. 6.Briefly describe Selfridge's pandemonium model of pattern recognition. How does the model account for the difference in visual search performance Neisser observed when subjects search for a curved target a) in a field of curved distractors or b) in a field of angular distractors? 7.Explain the difference between data-driven (or bottom-up) processing and conceptually driven (or top-down) processing. Describe the role each plays in processing a) novel information and b) familiar information. 8.Contrast the symptoms of apperceptive agnosia and associative agnosia. What seems to be the major problem in each, and how might you test whether a person as one or the other? 9.Describe the difference between selective and divided attention. Provide a description of how these two forms of attention are studied and provide a real-world example of each. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Masterit77@cs.com Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:45:57 EDT Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:45:57 EDT From: Masterit77@cs.com Masterit77@cs.com Subject: [Psych3120] cell phone driving I try not to talk on the phone when I am driving, but when I do I have big problems shifting, turning down the radio, and rolling up the windows. It seems to me that doing these things while talking on the phone might be a little more distracting than the conversation itlelf. From CatherineW123@aol.com Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:18:46 EDT Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:18:46 EDT From: CatherineW123@aol.com CatherineW123@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] attention I totally agree with you about how distracting cell phones can be! I don't think that people who are talking on them realize how badly they are driving. When he compared talking on a cell phone to driving drunk that amazed me. From tarahdavis@yahoo.com Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:33:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:33:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Tarah davis tarahdavis@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] Cell phones..... Nothing irritates me more than......people that have loud conversations on their cell phones to make sure everyone can hear them, cell phones ringing during class, people driving and talking on their cell phone, and most of all people having two conversations, with someone in person and with someone on their phone. Anyway, there are good reasons to have cell phones (emergencies), but I think the use of cell phones has gone way too far. For those of you that think cell phones don't interfere with your driving, I found a web site for you (and anyone else). Type in http://www.insweb.com/learningcenter/specialreports/default.htm I know, I know, it is a long address. Open the link titled "Cell Phones and Driving: A Deadly Mix?" and read away. There are tips on how to "minimize" your risks while talking on a cell phone and driving (is that possible?!) and you can even take a customized test to see how your driving may be affected while talking on a cell phone. Fun!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From sweetfogs@hotmail.com Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:59:29 GMT Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:59:29 GMT From: Jaimie Cogswell sweetfogs@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] attention Comparing driving while talking on a cell phone with driving drunk brought to mind a segment I saw on one of those tv magazine programs. They did a study to compare the effects of driving drunk to driving tired. The drivers who were tired actually did worse than the drunk drivers. (of course it all depends on how much alcohol was consumed and how much sleep was deprived etc.) But the point is, is that driving becomes so automatic sometimes that people forget that it requires our full attention. No alcohol, no cell phones, no sleepiness. Life is precious and why increase our chances of mortality by engaging in one of these activities while driving? It's not worth it. Driving needs our full attention, period. ----Original Message Follows---- From: CatherineW123@aol.com Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: Re: [Psych3120] attention Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:18:46 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [128.110.112.11] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBB93C66D00AC40042A1B806E700B85E41; Thu Sep 21 14:19:56 2000 Received: from lists (localhost [127.0.0.1])by jafo.csbs.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17162;Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:16:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.6])by jafo.csbs.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17134for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:16:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CatherineW123@aol.comby imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id a.5f.ab74971 (5727) for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:18:46 -0400 (EDT) >From psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu Thu Sep 21 14:24:34 2000 Message-ID: <5f.ab74971.26fbd536@aol.com> X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 Sender: psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu Errors-To: psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Cognitive Psychology Message Board X-BeenThere: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu I totally agree with you about how distracting cell phones can be! I don't think that people who are talking on them realize how badly they are driving. When he compared talking on a cell phone to driving drunk that amazed me. _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Ryanjg76@cs.com Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:04:00 EDT Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:04:00 EDT From: Ryanjg76@cs.com Ryanjg76@cs.com Subject: [Psych3120] STUDY GUIDE 1 Thank you for the tips on number 5. Here is the answer I came up with for number 6. If I left anything out, please add on. Selfridge's pandemonium model contains four different stages, each stage is represented by a type of demon. The first stage is called "image demons" where an image is encoded and passed onto the next level. Level two is called "feature demons" where there is one feature demon for each simple feature that can be contained in a letter....one for a vertical line, one for horizontal bar, etc. Feature demons compare itself to the image that was forwarded to it. If it matches, it shouts. The better the match, the louder the shouting. Cognitive demons (third level) are in charge of listening to all the shouting. There is one demon for a capital G, one for capital H, etc. Since these demons only have one pattern they are responsible for, that is the only patter they listen for. For example the capital H demon listens for shouting that deals with horizontal and vertical bars. When Demon "H" hears these shouts it begins to shout too, but very loud. The fourth level is the decision demon who listens to the loudest shouts from a cognitive demon, and decides that it is a perfect match based on the evidence "heard" from the lowest to the highest levels. When compared to Neisser's study, it was difficult to find the curved target in a field of curved distracters because there were a lot a demons shouting. So it took longer to find the "match." When the curved target was in a field of angular distracters, there was almost no shouting except for the demons who matched the curved target. So finding the target was much easier. Ryan G. From sweetfogs@hotmail.com Fri, 22 Sep 2000 01:13:24 GMT Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 01:13:24 GMT From: Jaimie Cogswell sweetfogs@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] depth perception I have a friend who mountain bikes. Last summer she rode with perscription sunglasses. This summer she rode with contacts and bike goggles, because she said the goggles stay on better. Well, she also complained that it seemed like she has been having poor depth perception because she'd be cruising on her bike and misjudge a bump, dip, turn in the path and she'd wreck. It has discouraged her and she kind of said down heartedly that she wasn't going to ride for the rest of the season because she'd taked so many falls. That puts into perspective how important depth perception is and how it affects day to day life. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "alanna wilson" Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] depth perception Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:45:12 MDT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [38.27.95.92] Received: from [128.110.112.11] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBB926CFC0036D82197EC806E700BF84E1; Wed Sep 20 13:46:29 2000 Received: from lists (localhost [127.0.0.1])by jafo.csbs.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19664;Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:43:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f217.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.217])by jafo.csbs.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19634for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:42:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:45:12 -0700 Received: from 38.27.95.92 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:45:12 GMT >From psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu Wed Sep 20 13:48:00 2000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Sep 2000 20:45:12.0791 (UTC) FILETIME=[AC5CAE70:01C02343] Sender: psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu Errors-To: psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Cognitive Psychology Message Board X-BeenThere: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Depth perception is something of interest to me. How many of you pay attention at how far something is or how close for that matter? Do we do it in our daily lives without realizing how much? Depth perception is very important when driving a car for instance. If you are not accurate on your interpretation then you are likely to get in an accident. I personally don't have very good depth perception when driving, particularly at night. I think I am a pretty good distance away from an object when the person in the passenger seat might be gripping the handle on the door because I'm so close. We don't always judge correctly the depth of an object. Maybe this is why baby's are often afraid of their crib. They are standing inside but if young are afraid to climb out due to a lack of development of the depth perception. Often times they might become very afraid whereas, older baby's have no problem climbing out because they are a little bit more developed. Of course this doesn't help my problem with the lack of a good depth perception while driving. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From alexispaulos@hotmail.com Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:35:15 MDT Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:35:15 MDT From: Alexis Paulos alexispaulos@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Attention >From: SilAcciardi@aol.com >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention >Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 01:48:54 EDT > >I am sorry to say that I am one of those dreaded people who occasionally >drives while talking on my cell phone. As far as only being left with one >hand to drive, I am always driving with one hand anyway, with the other >relaxing on the gear shift, so there is no effect on me in that respect. I >have never found it particularly more difficult to focus on driving and I >think that is because I talk in other situations when I am driving as well. >For instance when I have friends in the car, I will engage in conversation >the entire time that I am driving from point A to B. Basically, what I am >trying to say, is that I find it no more distracting being on my cell phone >than I do when there is actually someone in the car with me. The only >problem that I can see is with having to dial the number you are calling >before making a call. That is just what I think. > >Silvana Acciardi > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 I also am a cell phone person, but I can say that cell phones are about the most horrible thing ever. I try not to use mine when I drive because I can tell I don't pay as much attention to details on the road. after class today I talked on my cell phone while I was driving and after I tried to imagine if a dog ran out into the road if I would have seen it. My answer was no. I just think it lowers everyone's ability to be aggressive drivers or if you are paying attention to driving then you're probably not a good conversationalist. Also I've noticed that when girls have a conversation with someone in the car they spend more time looking at the person that at the road. That really scares me! I don't understand why when someone's in the car and you are having a conversation it does not seem as hard to drive, yet the cell phone seems hard? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From mikebaker13@yahoo.com Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:00:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:00:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Baker mikebaker13@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] Test Anxiety?? Is anyone else with me and the few peopel taht I have talked to that this test coming up deserves some serious attention. We have discussed the mechanisms of the eyes, how color works, illusions and many other things. How detailed do we need to get in our answers? The study guide that we received was a help but what about the multiple choice section. Does anyone have any ideas. I am very interested in this subject and I can see where it can be applied in life, I just need a bit of help getting ready for the test? Good luck everyone!!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:30:39 -700 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:30:39 -700 From: Kristin Ward kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] Review Session - LOCATION! Hi everyone, I have just received the room assignments for the review session. The first review will be on Friday (9/22) at 5:00. It will be held in Beh. Sci Room 101 (The behavioral science building is the big, tall, ugly building across from the social work building) The second review will be on Monday (9/25) at 1:30. It will be held in Beh. Sci rm. 114). These reviews will cover essentially the same material. I am running two sessions so that more people will be able to attend a review. These are not mandatory and attendance will not be taken, but hopefully these reviews will help you to better understand the material that will be on the test. Again, the times and locations are: Fri. 9/22 5:00 Beh. Sci Rm. 101 Mon. 9/25 1:20 Beh. Sci Rm. 114 Kristin From SilAcciardi@aol.com Thu, 21 Sep 2000 23:17:07 EDT Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 23:17:07 EDT From: SilAcciardi@aol.com SilAcciardi@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] Smoking Attention I second the motion about smoking while driving. I am a smoker as well and I have no trouble at all lighing a cigarette while I have my eyes on the road. I don't even have to look at the cigarette. That probably says something sad about how much I smoke. Needless to say, there is no break in my concentration on the road at any time when I am smoking. I also do not pay a higher insurance premium either and I was unaware that other people might. Silvana Acciardi From jjfoust@ix.netcom.com Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:24:01 -0600 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:24:01 -0600 From: Jaime C. Foust jjfoust@ix.netcom.com Subject: [Psych3120] Yet more on cell phones... This topic has been beaten to death, but I decided to put my 2 cents in anyway. I will admit I have a cell phone, and frequently I talk on it while driving. And I am not saying that my driving may not be suffering as a result, however, I have noticed that I pay more attention to my driving then the phone conversation. I find myself asking the person to repeat something they said, or even just saying the basis "uh huh" even though I have no idea what they said. I recently got a new cell phone for work, and it has a speaker phone button on the phone. If I put a call on speaker, I can lay my phone down next to me on the seat and carry on a conversation without having to hold the phone. I have found this does help me pay more attention to the road. In class today, Dr. Strayer said that even a hands free function does not improve driving, I would like to know how this differs from a conversation with a passenger in the car? I see it as virtually the same thing. From sailoruranus@altavista.net Fri, 22 Sep 2000 02:01:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 02:01:22 -0400 (EDT) From: sailoruranus@altavista.net sailoruranus@altavista.net Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) I don't know your name, but this is directed to the person who feels it is his responsibility to interrupt the professor every three minutes to offer his inane observations on unrelated topics: SHUT THE HELL UP!! YOU ARE WASTING MY CLASS TIME, AND YOU HAVE NOTHING RELEVANT OR INTERESTING TO ADD! YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE, YOU ARE THE MALE WHO ALWAYS SITS IN THE MIDDLE SECTION, IN THE SECOND ROW, TOWARDS THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. YOU ARE PISSING ME AND EVERYBODY ELSE OFF. DO YOU HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO THAN TO TRY (UNSUCCESSFULLY) TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK MORE INTELLIGENT? SHUT YOUR MOUTH AND STOP WASTING MY TIME. IF THIS CONTINUES, I WILL PETITION THE CLASS TO HAVE YOU REMOVED FOR DISRUPTING THE LECTURES. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Get your free email from AltaVista at http://altavista.iname.com From ham070@hotmail.com Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:02:15 MDT Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:02:15 MDT From: amber kresser ham070@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Test Anxiety?? i totally agree. the online readings were so huge and covered a lot of material, i took notes while reading but i dont want to waste my time reading over notes i dont need. we have covered a lot of info and i really hope we narrow in on some of what we need to know for the test. if anyone has any advice i will gladly take it. good luck everyone. >From: Mike Baker >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] Test Anxiety?? >Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:00:56 -0700 (PDT) > >Is anyone else with me and the few peopel taht I have >talked to that this test coming up deserves some >serious attention. We have discussed the mechanisms of >the eyes, how color works, illusions and many other >things. How detailed do we need to get in our answers? >The study guide that we received was a help but what >about the multiple choice section. Does anyone have >any ideas. >I am very interested in this subject and I can see >where it can be applied in life, I just need a bit of >help getting ready for the test? Good luck everyone!!! > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com/ > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From sailoruranus@altavista.net Fri, 22 Sep 2000 02:08:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 02:08:08 -0400 (EDT) From: sailoruranus@altavista.net sailoruranus@altavista.net Subject: [Psych3120] cell phones Along the lines of what was discussed today in class, I have a personal note to add. I was slammed into by somebody talking on a cell phone on Monday night. I was very lucky. Because he had directed his attention to the oh-so-important conversation on his portable carcinogen box, he hit me full force, and drove me into the car in front of me. The only part of the car that wasn't completely (and I stress the word very strongly) mangled and twisted was the drivers seat. If there had been anybody else in my car, they would be dead now, and given the circumstances, I should be too. People are not capable of dividing their attention when one of the tasks is as important as driving a car. It is foolish to believe that you can, and anyone who says otherwise is deluding himself. We've all seen those people blabbering away while they swerve in and out of their lane, and do their best to wreak havoc with other drivers. I laude our professor for acknowledging that cell phones an! d driving are dangerous. Aaron Davies ---------------------------------------------------------------- Get your free email from AltaVista at http://altavista.iname.com From sweetfogs@hotmail.com Fri, 22 Sep 2000 06:48:07 GMT Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 06:48:07 GMT From: Jaimie Cogswell sweetfogs@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] class disruption Whoever wrote this: I don't know your name, but this is directed to the person who feels it is his responsibility to interrupt the professor every three minutes to offer his inane observations on unrelated topics: SHUT THE HELL UP!! YOU ARE WASTING MY CLASS TIME, AND YOU HAVE NOTHING RELEVANT OR INTERESTING TO ADD! YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE, YOU ARE THE MALE WHO ALWAYS SITS IN THE MIDDLE SECTION, IN THE SECOND ROW, TOWARDS THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. YOU ARE PISSING ME AND EVERYBODY ELSE OFF. DO YOU HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO THAN TO TRY (UNSUCCESSFULLY) TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK MORE INTELLIGENT? SHUT YOUR MOUTH AND STOP WASTING MY TIME. IF THIS CONTINUES, I WILL PETITION THE CLASS TO HAVE YOU REMOVED FOR DISRUPTING THE LECTURES. I found it very interesting. In fact, I was talking to my mother this very evening about the same thing, except in regards to another class. I was ranting and raving how I can't stand how people ask dumb questions, statements that seem to have no point, or talk about personal issues during class and how i feel that it wastes class time and frustrates me a helluva lot. And with a little bit of motherly advice and a tip I got from a friend I've come to two conclusions. 1) My mother pointed out to me that people learn in different ways and of course there is no dumb question no matter how irritated I get with the imbicility that I tend to hear in class from time to time. I am a psychology student and must learn the art of patience and grasp onto that with all of my might. Why else am I in this major? I want to understand people and behavior. This requires patience. Because not all people and their behaviors are lovely. And I'm not necessarily trying to stick up for those un-named annoyances, but I'm just trying to not let it bother me so much and just work on patience since it is definitely a skill I need to aquire. So, I see them as a test of patience. (trying to find the positive side of everything, the key word here is "trying") 2) For those of you who like to speak alot in class, a friend once told me that she saves all of her comments and questions for the TA/professor's office hours to speak to them about her thoughts, that way she doesn't waste class time and she starts building a relationship with these key figures, they start to remember her and then all of a sudden she has another reference for grad school. Everyone wins. RAH!!! So, I hope that these words might help out the situation a little bit and everyone can enjoy class a little more. Thanks. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kvrennie@hotmail.com Fri, 22 Sep 2000 08:45:05 MDT Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 08:45:05 MDT From: Kelly Rennie kvrennie@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Re: Male Attention I have the same problem with cell phones and driving. I don't know about other females, but when I am on the cell phone, I can't remember what was happening while I was driving, other than I didn't get into an accident, and I don't think I have ever caused an accident. But sometimes I find myself wondering if the lights were green or not. Kelly >From: Thurie@aol.com >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] Re: Male Attention >Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:32:29 EDT > > When we say that boys can't do two tasks at once what are we talking >about. Not like chewing gum and walking at the same time, right? I >personally >think that I can do two things at once. I can read and listen to music at >the >same time and stuff like that. Can anyone give me some examples of tasks >that >would be considered hard for a male to both at the same time? Also, I have >noticed that when I am talking on my cell phone while I 'm driving, time >seems to go by much faster. All of a sudden I am at the place I was driving >to and can't really remember how I got their or anything about the drive. >So >do females do better talking on phones and driving than males do? I have >never crashed or anything close to that, so obviously I am paying pretty >good >attention to the road, maybe more subconsciously than normal though. > Clinton > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kvrennie@hotmail.com Fri, 22 Sep 2000 08:59:59 MDT Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 08:59:59 MDT From: Kelly Rennie kvrennie@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Attention I would have a tendancy to agree with the idea that personalities affect attention My husband and I are the same way- I am an uptight type A who needs to be doing something to relieve the anxiety. However, my father-in-law is also a type A personality, very high stressed, and he can't focus his attention on more than one thing at a time. He does know that there is something else he needs to focus on AFTER he is done with the task at hand, which is more then I can say for my husband. Perhaps he is not as much of a type A as I am. Also, here is something to ponder. My father-in-law was raised in Ireland and the moved to South Africa, where my husband was raised. Both of them lived through extremely violent times, to the point that there was so many gun shot outside their homes that they became "immune" to the noise and were able to ignore it. Does anyone have any ideas on how someone becomes immune to such a life threatening situation? Kelly >From: "Kelly R. Sheffield" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: >Subject: [Psych3120] Attention >Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:35:10 -0600 > > I just wanted to comment on the discussion that's been going on about >the difference in the way that males and females direct their attention. I >don't know if I support the idea that women are more likely to split their >attention between multiple tasks. I think that one indicator of whether a >person will multi-task or not is certainly their personality type. I, for >example, am kind of a type "A" personality. I tend to get stressed easily >and I'm always thinking about what I need to get done or should be doing. >FOr this reason, I can usually be found doing multiple things at once. If >I talk on the phone, I'm always doing something else at the same time, like >cleaning my house or folding laundry, etc. On the other hand, my husband >is a very calm and relaxed person. He is more likely to concentrate on >doing one thing at a time. So, I'd be interested to know whether some of >you think this is a gender difference or a personality difference that can >explain our behaviors. > >-Liz Gardner _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From salari_ali@hotmail.com Fri, 22 Sep 2000 09:08:41 MDT Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 09:08:41 MDT From: Ali Salari salari_ali@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Cell Phones I don't understand this cell phone issue. When I had a cell phone and pager I was being harrassed 24-7 by friends. I had no time for myself. Why has it become so important to be talking to people all of the time. My life must be incredibly dull because I don't have that much to say to so many people. It is common sense that talking on a cell phone and driving is dangerous, but people are willing to put their lives and others lives in danger to engage in superficial banter with their friends. This behavior alone justifies a psychological study to determine why people would endanger their lives so they can be accessible 24 hours a day. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:09:16 -0600 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:09:16 -0600 From: Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com Subject: [Psych3120] Review Session - LOCATION! Kristin, I work til 5pm today and won't probably get there til 5:30pm. How long are you looking at being there? Leonard Cancel >---------- >From: Kristin Ward[SMTP:kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu] >Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 2:30 PM >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] Review Session - LOCATION! > >Hi everyone, > >I have just received the room assignments for the review session. The first >review will be on Friday (9/22) at 5:00. It will be held in Beh. Sci Room >101 (The behavioral science building is the big, tall, ugly building across >from the social work building) > >The second review will be on Monday (9/25) at 1:30. It will be held in Beh. >Sci rm. 114). > >These reviews will cover essentially the same material. I am running two >sessions so that more people will be able to attend a review. These are not >mandatory and attendance will not be taken, but hopefully these reviews will >help you to better understand the material that will be on the test. > >Again, the times and locations are: > >Fri. 9/22 5:00 Beh. Sci Rm. 101 >Mon. 9/25 1:20 Beh. Sci Rm. 114 > >Kristin > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From jpix@networld.com Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:20:49 -0600 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:20:49 -0600 From: Jeffrey Pixton jpix@networld.com Subject: [Psych3120] Yet more on cell phones... In regards to your question, I don't blieve that there would be much of a difference between a phone conversation and a passanger conversation. I think that the attention that any conversation takes away from the road will affect your performance. I was reminded of a time when I was downtown with my sister and we got in an arguement. The entire drive home to Sandy was filled with bantering back and forth. I did not realize that I did not remember a thing about the drive home until I pulled into the driveway and finally stopped talking and started to relax. Pretty frightening, considering how many people you see on the road screaming at each other! Natalie Janovak -----Original Message----- From: "Jaime C. Foust" To: "Class Message Board (Psychology)" Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:24:01 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Yet more on cell phones... >This topic has been beaten to death, but I decided to put my 2 cents >in >anyway. I will admit I have a cell phone, and frequently I talk on it >while driving. And I am not saying that my driving may not be >suffering >as a result, however, I have noticed that I pay more attention to my >driving then the phone conversation. I find myself asking the person >to >repeat something they said, or even just saying the basis "uh huh" >even >though I have no idea what they said. I recently got a new cell phone >for work, and it has a speaker phone button on the phone. If I put a >call on speaker, I can lay my phone down next to me on the seat and >carry on a conversation without having to hold the phone. I have >found >this does help me pay more attention to the road. In class today, Dr. >Strayer said that even a hands free function does not improve driving, >I >would like to know how this differs from a conversation with a >passenger >in the car? I see it as virtually the same thing. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 ********************************* Get your free E-Mail and Homepage Go to http://www.networld.com ********************************* From sweetfogs@hotmail.com Fri, 22 Sep 2000 16:36:10 GMT Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 16:36:10 GMT From: Jaimie Cogswell sweetfogs@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] my donation to the cause: study question #4 This is with regard to study question #4. Again, if there are any descrepencies or any needed additions, I won't be offended. Illusions: The perceptual/psychological processes that operate on the image falling upon the retina are incorrect. Illusions are important because they reveal important properties about perceptual processing; examining the failures of the visual system tells us alot baou thterules that govern normal behavior; there are important implications for art, architecture, human features etc. Contancies: The tendencies for qualities of objects o seem to stay the same, despite changes in the viewing field. Constancies are important because it keeps objects constant even though they don't look the same on the retina. These two factors tell us alot about perception. 1) Perceptions are not absolute. 2) Perception is influenced by context. 3) Perceptions are influenced by experience and prior knowledge. 4) Perceptioin is created inside our heads. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jbabygirlr@hotmail.com Fri, 22 Sep 2000 11:15:41 MDT Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 11:15:41 MDT From: jessica rembowski jbabygirlr@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] attention and driving Last night as I was reading, I started thinking about attention and driving. I have this friend that is a horrible driver. One day I was riding in the car with him and he was not paying any attention to the task at hand which happened to be driving the car. He started to smoke as he was driving and when he had finished smoking, it was incredible to see the change in his driving. For some werid reason, smoking helped him to focus. I was also thinking about myself and when I drive for long periods of time, I have to be eating sunflower seeds. My mind doesn't wander nearly as much when I eat sunflower seeds and drive. When I don't eat sunflower seeds, I notice that my mind wanders and I realize that I have been driving but have not really paid any attention to the road at all. I was just curious to see if this happened to anyone else or if anyone can tell me why doing more than one thing at a time helps to foucs at the task at hand. _Jessica _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From falsecents@hotmail.com Fri, 22 Sep 2000 18:03:01 GMT Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 18:03:01 GMT From: F.C.S. S.L.C. falsecents@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] cell phones Yesterday, while driving home I received a call on my cell phone from a friend. We talked for about 20 minutes until I got home. When I hung up I could remember very little from my drive, I don't remember being at stop lights, or even how the traffic was. I can't believe any one would say that this distraction does not effect their driving. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jjfoust@ix.netcom.com Fri, 22 Sep 2000 12:49:06 -0600 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 12:49:06 -0600 From: Jaime C. Foust jjfoust@ix.netcom.com Subject: [Psych3120] Help with question #1 Could someone either help with question 1 from the study guide, or point me in the direction to find the answer? I know someone asked about this before, but I never saw an answer posted. Thanks!! Jaime Foust From jjfoust@ix.netcom.com Fri, 22 Sep 2000 12:50:23 -0600 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 12:50:23 -0600 From: Jaime C. Foust jjfoust@ix.netcom.com Subject: [Psych3120] Help with question #1 Could someone either help with question 1 from the study guide, or point me in the direction to find the answer? I know someone asked about this before, but I never saw an answer posted. By the way, thanks to everyone who has helped contribute answers to the other questions. I am also very concerned about what to expect as far as multiple choice answers. Perhaps Dr. Strayer or Kristin could give us a sample multiple choice question???? Thanks!! Jaime Foust From jjfoust@ix.netcom.com Fri, 22 Sep 2000 12:56:07 -0600 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 12:56:07 -0600 From: Jaime C. Foust jjfoust@ix.netcom.com Subject: [Psych3120] cell phones I would like to respond to this comment by saying that not everyone has a cell phone for the purpose of engaging in "superficial banter" with friends. Many people carry cell phones or pagers for work purposes. Also people may carry them if they have children who may need to reach them in the case of an emergency, or if they them self experience an emergency and need to call for help. We have pretty much covered the cell phone issue to death, and how this compares to a passenger in the car, but what about day dreaming or thinking about an upcoming exam or assignment? When you day dream you are not exactly 100% focused on driving...... Jaime Foust Ali Salari salari_ali@hotmail.com Fri, 22 Sep 2000 09:08:41 MDT I don't understand this cell phone issue. When I had a cell phone and pager I was being harrassed 24-7 by friends. I had no time for myself. Why has it become so important to be talking to people all of the time. My life must be incredibly dull because I don't have that much to say to so many people. It is common sense that talking on a cell phone and driving is dangerous, but people are willing to put their lives and others lives in danger to engage in superficial banter with their friends. This behavior alone justifies a psychological study to determine why people would endanger their lives so they can be accessible 24 hours a day. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From AnnieJ312@aol.com Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:01:41 EDT Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:01:41 EDT From: AnnieJ312@aol.com AnnieJ312@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] number 9 Here's my contribution to the study guide answers...This will just give you an outline to build your actual answer on.... 9) Selective Attention is attention that involves filtering (eliminating distractions) from incoming information. This occurs when we focus on one thing and get rid of the rest. Selective Attention has been studied using the Stroop Color Word Task. (we did this in class thursday) Words are given in one color of ink but spell out another color and subjects are asked to say only the color of the ink. In this case you are forced to pay attention to (select) the color of the ink while trying to ignore what color the word actually spells. We see selective attention in the real world by what is commonly called the "cocktail-party effect." When you're at a party and there's music and a bunch of conversations going on around you, you have to filter out the "noise" in order to pay better attention to the conversation that you're having with someone. Divided attention is when you are paying atleast some attention to more than one thing at the same time. (Typically more attention to one than the other) (I'm having a hard time finding how this has been studied besides the studies similar to Pro Strayers research on cell phones, so you could use that I guess) A real world example could be driving while talking to a passenger in the car (instead of someone on the phone). You are paying attention not only to the conversation, but also to traffic signs and speed limits while driving (hopefully.) You may be paying more attention to one than the other, but you're still paying some attention to both. (there's tons of real world examples for divided attention obviously...talking on the phone while watching tv...etc.) I'm sure there's more to add to this...so please post it if you get there before I do. From sweetfogs@hotmail.com Fri, 22 Sep 2000 21:13:28 GMT Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 21:13:28 GMT From: Jaimie Cogswell sweetfogs@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] cell phones Okay, cell phones. Again. Dang, I apologize. Yes of course there are legitimate reasons why people carry cell phones, Jaime has a point. But I also think that Ali also has a point. I spent the last little while in Europe where it seems like a lot more people have cell phones, or mobile phones as they like to call them. My Finnish friend (Finland is the headquarters of Nokia) says that 50% of the population in Finland has at least one or more cell phones. She said it's getting kind of sad because no one actually talks to each other anymore face to face. (We we also talking about this in the context of email and chat rooms). As we discussed about this alternate way of communicating, it was brought up that sometimes it's easier to talk to someone and say how you really feel without actually having to look them in the eye. Yeah, it might be easier, but as far as communication and relationships go, shouldn't we be able to look each other in the eye? It seems that these other ways of communicating is actually distancing people. My friend said that it seemed like no one could even talk to each other any more. I hate it when my friends go out to dinner with me and have their cell phones on the table. How rude is it to answer the phone when you're out with friends? SO, not only does it give a mask to communication, it interupts real communication with people you are with. I find it that people tend to abuse their cell phone privileges and they end up being very very rude, without even realizing it. I'm beginning to wonder if we even need to see each other anymore, because we can just call. I wonder if the advance of all this technology is ruining social skills. I do have a cell phone too, so I'm not trying to be too harsh, but I still think that we should keep things in perspective. But yeah, enough of cell phones, it's getting irritating. Jaime Foust wrote: I would like to respond to this comment by saying that not everyone has a cell phone for the purpose of engaging in "superficial banter" with friends. Many people carry cell phones or pagers for work purposes. Also people may carry them if they have children who may need to reach them in the case of an emergency, or if they them self experience an emergency and need to call for help. We have pretty much covered the cell phone issue to death, and how this compares to a passenger in the car, but what about day dreaming or thinking about an upcoming exam or assignment? When you day dream you are not exactly 100% focused on driving...... Jaime Foust Ali Salari salari_ali@hotmail.com Fri, 22 Sep 2000 09:08:41 MDT I don't understand this cell phone issue. When I had a cell phone and pager I was being harrassed 24-7 by friends. I had no time for myself. Why has it become so important to be talking to people all of the time. My life must be incredibly dull because I don't have that much to say to so many people. It is common sense that talking on a cell phone and driving is dangerous, but people are willing to put their lives and others lives in danger to engage in superficial banter with their friends. This behavior alone justifies a psychological study to determine why people would endanger their lives so they can be accessible 24 hours a day. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From trichardson@acs.utah.edu Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:27:19 -0600 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:27:19 -0600 From: Richardson trichardson@acs.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] Cell story This past Wednesday I was crossing the street at 100 South right by the physics building. Anyway there was construction on 100 South with a lot of flashing barricades to form two lanes. I was telling my friend about our class discussion on attention, when I was interrupted by a loud noise of a lady in a very large vehicle hitting a barricade turning left on 1st South and talking on the cell phone. After she realized she hit the barricade she dropped the phone and needed two hands to make the left turn. How funny and ironic!! From kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:17:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:17:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Karen Griffin kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] Road_Accident_Error Kristin, I have a question about something that was raised on this Web page. In the article talking about road accidents and attention the author talked about things that attract a driver's attention. It talked about things that "pop out and automatically attract attention" such as when the object is large, high contrast, moves rapidly or is familiar. My question is whether or not the "pop out" theory would more closely match Broadbent's early selection theory (attention is focused on the conversation that is closest, loudest, etc.) or if it would match Treisman's attenuated model - the object becomes semantically important because of its size, movement, etc. Can you please clarify? Thanks. --- Kristin Ward wrote: > Hi Human Cognition List! > > Here is an interesting web page on human error and > car accidents. In many ways this is similar to the > human factor errors discussed in class: > http://www.ergogero.com/pages/roadaccidents.html > > Regards, > > Kristin Ward > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From E.J.Dickerson@m.cc.utah.edu Fri, 22 Sep 2000 16:21:12 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 16:21:12 -0600 (MDT) From: E.J.Dickerson@m.cc.utah.edu E.J.Dickerson@m.cc.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] NINE Divided attention can be described as a system that deals with the problem of dividing one's attention between two tasks. Everybody has an attentional capacity which is limited to a certain extent, as a result, an allocation policy is used to balance the amount attention that either task demands. However, the intention function of this system will strongly effect the allocation of attention depending on one's personal intentions. There is also an evaluation mechanism of this system which severs to mediated the allocation of attention between the two tasks. Evaluation is used to ensure an acceptable level of performance is being meet on both tasks. The cell phone while driving issue is an example of how divided attention works. People who talk on their cell phone while driving will pay attention to the cell conversation until they almost get into an accident or something and then they'll pay more attention to driving. Selective attention refers to the selective processing of task relevant info. And successfully ignoring task irrelevant info.. Broadbent's Model is one way in which selective attention is described. Input or information from the environment is constantly being taken in by our perceptual system, this information is sent through an attentional filtering system that separates the task relevant info from the irrelevant, next the central processing channel takes the relevant information and spits out a response to the incoming info. An example of this could be your T.V. only tuning into one channel at a time. I'm not sure how divided attention is studied, but I think Dr. Strayer said that selective attention could be studied using headphones and playing different messages in each ear. Please correct me if these answers are wrong or need additonal help. From alexispaulos@hotmail.com Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:03:19 MDT Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:03:19 MDT From: Alexis Paulos alexispaulos@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] music and attention In response to the guy that wrote about divided attention and listening to music, I just wanted to say that I use to have this math teacher who would always play classical music during exams. He said he did this because there was a study that said that math students who listened to classical music while taking an exam performed better than students that had no music or music of a different nature. Well I am not the best math student to begin with and this music totally distracted me, but he would not stop playing it. Eventually it got to the point were I could take the tests and not notice the music. So I think that attention [focus] can in a way be learned and that as far a divided attention and focus it is probbably very individual. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:33:07 -0600 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:33:07 -0600 From: Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com Subject: [Psych3120] Today's lecture I found the Stroop interference "color game" really amazing. No matter how hard I tried to focus on just the color, I couldn't. I almost got to the end but would say the word. Great example. On the other trial of looking for "K", I did find "K" in both examples, but saw the second one much clearer. Even though this was due to features being angular vs curved features, I still was able to see the other letters like W. Was I not being selective or is this an example of attention being more than just moving your eyes? Leonard Cancel #00180520 From thesaint@networld.com Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:53:17 -0600 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:53:17 -0600 From: Fred DeSanto thesaint@networld.com Subject: [Psych3120] colorblindness A reply to the question, "If the lights are out and a light keeps blinking, can a colorblind person see this? I would answer yes. I can't see why they wouldn't. They are colorblind, not blind to light. They should be able to see anything that is illuminated just like a person with "normal" sight. The colorblindness would only effect their ability to see certain colors. From thesaint@networld.com Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:59:45 -0600 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:59:45 -0600 From: Fred DeSanto thesaint@networld.com Subject: [Psych3120] Car-phones I agree with Dr. Strayer on the issue of divide attention with the use of driving and talking on a car phone. There is no way that most people can talk on the phone and be able to drive defensively. Several times I have been driving on the freeway and come up behind a person that was going too slow or having trouble staying within their lane and sure enough they often have a phone to their ear. I have almost been hit by people talking on their phones and not paying attention to their surroundings. I know it can be difficult to drive and talk to another person in the same car as yourself when ingrossed in a conversation. You must use divided attention to do this and both talking and driving is not getting the amount of attention that is needed to do either of these well. D. Hutchins 00078355 From jonnyutah@mindspring.com Fri, 22 Sep 2000 21:16:26 -0600 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 21:16:26 -0600 From: Jon Lindberg jonnyutah@mindspring.com Subject: [Psych3120] ADHD So how do we explain people with short attention spans? I work with a little boy who has an older brother diagnosed with ADHD. I don't claim to know everything about his diagnosis, but I am aware of his inability to maintain his attention on almost any task ( ranging from college to work, which has cost him his grades and employment). He and I will be talking for a little while and he starts to get anxious and needs to move on to some other activity. Is the attention deficit component of ADHD (Attention Deficit and Hyperactivity Disorder) due to a problem with some of the attention processes we have discussed in class, or is the deficit due to the hyperactivity and the need to expel energy by engaging in different activities in a short time? I really haven't studied ADHD and maybe my observations of his behavior may be inaccurate, but does anybody have experience with this ADHD that could enlighten/correct me? From jonnyutah@mindspring.com Fri, 22 Sep 2000 21:24:38 -0600 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 21:24:38 -0600 From: Jon Lindberg jonnyutah@mindspring.com Subject: [Psych3120] Attention Okay, all you people who talk on the cell phones while driving aren't as bad as some of us in the amateur radio community. Once an amateur radio operator achieves a certain license class (General), they can operate on HF (High Frequencies) rather than VHF or UHF. A somewhat antiquated, and yet fun mode of communication is CW, a.k.a. Morse Code. Well, it just so happens that they make the devices with which you can tap-out code (known as "keys" or "paddles") fairly small and with thigh straps. Its pretty fun to be tapping out code to someone on the other side of the continent while driving, but its not too bright. Whats even more fun is to try and copy their code while driving. Some people can just do it mentally, others of us have to use a pen and paper. You can imagine how this looked on the freeway. I haven't done it in a while, mainly cuz I received a ticket for wreckless driving. Anyway, it NOW amazes me how people feel that they can do two or three tasks in the car at once. My personal favorite are those people who strategically place their food around in their car while they drive (fries in the door pocket, chicken nuggets on the seat, dipping sauce in the door handle, etc.), and ooops, their food spills and they attend to that and not their driving. McCrash!!!!! From garffdog@hotmail.com Sat, 23 Sep 2000 01:25:23 MDT Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 01:25:23 MDT From: matt garff garffdog@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Questions about sources of depth information There are three sources for depth information. The first is pictoral cues. These are cues that can be seen with one eye. They consist of (from what I could find) 1.Accomadation-the eyes focusing on objects at different distances(not a big cue) 2.Interposition-objects closer to us will cover objects further from us. 3.Size-smaller objects are perceived as further away. 4.Texture Gradients-closer objects have more definition, and further objecst tend to blend together. 5.Linear perspective-parallel lines seem to draw closer together as they travel towards the horizon or focal point. 6.Atmospheric perspective-air particles blur an object more as it gets further from us. 7.Shading-shows contours and angles of an object. 8.Height-closer objects seem taller. The second source is motion parallax. Objects at different distances move in different directions as we watch them and move through space. The third source is binocular disparity. Our eyes are offset by about 3" which gives us a 3-dimensional view of the world, which is an excellent source of depth information and the one we use the most. MATT GARFF 00144838 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From garffdog@hotmail.com Sat, 23 Sep 2000 01:35:40 MDT Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 01:35:40 MDT From: matt garff garffdog@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Gestalt Organizational principles The first part of the Gestalt organizational principles is the law of Pragnanz which states that out of all the configurations we can see, the simplest and the most stable is the one that we see. This means that when we look at a square, we see a unit and not 4 equadistant lines places on top of each other at right angles. The next part are the laws of grouping: 1. Proximity-units near each other are processed as a unit. 2. Similarity-objects that appear the same are processed as a unit(circles with circles and squares with squares) 3. Good continuation-Objects arranged in a line are seen as a unit. Also continuous lines or curves are seen as a unit. 4. Closure-if there are gaps in a familiar object, we tend to fill in those gaps. 5. Common Fate-objects moving in the same direction at the same rate are seen as a unit. These ideas are important because they help us make sense of the world, and they are usually correct. MATT GARFF 00144838 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Mad4madimac@aol.com Sat, 23 Sep 2000 12:38:41 EDT Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 12:38:41 EDT From: Mad4madimac@aol.com Mad4madimac@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] ADHD What I have heard about ADHD, I've read some books, is that they have heightened sensitivity to stimulus around them. In fact in class, when he mentioned autism, it sounded the same to me as what I had heard about ADHD. I was wondering if this is different and just a matter of degree, or not at all the same. Any one know the difference? Madison McAllister #00155404 From jlallatin@yahoo.com Sat, 23 Sep 2000 10:54:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 10:54:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Jon Lallatin jlallatin@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] Dog vision I think that dogs can perceive differences in color-for example colors will look warm or cold. They can do much more than some people give them credit for. --- CatherineW123@aol.com wrote: > Someone told me that their dog preferred a certain > color and could pick out > different colored objects. This could just be a > fluke though. > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 From jsd1022@yahoo.com Sat, 23 Sep 2000 12:21:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 12:21:32 -0700 (PDT) From: J Doonan jsd1022@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] Help with question #1 --- "Jaime C. Foust" wrote: > Could someone either help with question 1 from the > study guide, or point > me in the direction to find the answer? I know > someone asked about this > before, but I never saw an answer posted. By the > way, thanks to > everyone who has helped contribute answers to the > other questions. I am > also very concerned about what to expect as far as > multiple choice > answers. Perhaps Dr. Strayer or Kristin could give > us a sample multiple > choice question???? > > Thanks!! > Jaime Foust > > I'm still working on number 1 myself. I don't understand exactly what type of answer Dr. Strayer is looking for. I was thinking something along the lines of this. As the butterfly swoops past the left side of your head the information enters the right visual field(the right side of left eye and the right side of right eye). The image the falls upon the retina is upside down and inverted. The yellow color of the butterfly and the green color of the plant are processed by the cones. Once the information is recieved by the cones it travels through the horizontal, bipolar, amacrine, and ganglion cells, which form the optic nerve. From there the information travels through the optic nerve and half of the optic nerve from each eye cross over at the optic chiasm. From here the information continues along various pathways eventually reaching the visual cortex. I don't know how much detail needs to be in our answers. I hope this gives you a little help though :) _____________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From rlovat2@hotmail.com Sat, 23 Sep 2000 19:46:46 GMT Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 19:46:46 GMT From: Rachel Marie Lovato rlovat2@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Cell phones.... Okay, I can't stand it anymore..I have to throw my 2 cents in. I talk on my cell phone while driving EVERYDAY. On my way home from work I call my mom and I talk to her until I reach my home which is about 20 minutes. This is the only chance we get to talk and so everyday without fail I call her and we talk, and I drive the whole time. I do not consider myself impaired at all. I can recall things that I saw on my drive home and report it to my husband. The other day I slammed on my brakes in plenty of time to miss a skunk. I feel like I am very alert, maybe even more so if I was just driving because I am more active. ----Original Message Follows---- From: Mexpebbles@aol.com Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Subject: [Psych3120] Cell phones.... Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:39:06 EDT Can I just make a recommendation?!? If you have to talk on your phone while driving, get one of those hands-free things that you put in your ear. They allow you to talk and still have your attention on the road (which is more important). I started using mine about a month ago and I don't like to drive without it now. I am more aware of my surroundings while I'm using it instead of holding the phone. They are not very much money and some phone packages give them to you free with your phone. Just a suggestion though...but let's all try and make our roads a little safer. Thanks! _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jsd1022@yahoo.com Sat, 23 Sep 2000 13:08:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 13:08:34 -0700 (PDT) From: J Doonan jsd1022@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) In regards to question 1 on the study guide. I don't know how detailed the information has to be. But, I'll share the answer I came up with for that one. As the butterfly swoops past the left side of your head it will enter the right visual field (right side of your left eye and right side of your right eye).The immage that falls upon the retina is upside down and inverted. The yellow color of the butterfly and the green color of the plant will be processed by cones. Once the information is recieved by the cones it travels through the horizontal, bipolar, amacrine and ganglion cells, which form the optic nerve. From there the information travels through the optic nerve and half of the optic nerve from each eye crosses over at the optic chiasm. From there the information travels along various pathways and eventually makes it's way to the visual cortex. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From tkulio@hotmail.com Sat, 23 Sep 2000 15:41:58 MDT Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 15:41:58 MDT From: Theresa Kulikowski tkulio@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Test Anxiety?? >From: Mike Baker >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] Test Anxiety?? >Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:00:56 -0700 (PDT) > >Is anyone else with me and the few peopel taht I have >talked to that this test coming up deserves some >serious attention. We have discussed the mechanisms of >the eyes, how color works, illusions and many other >things. How detailed do we need to get in our answers? >The study guide that we received was a help but what >about the multiple choice section. Does anyone have >any ideas. >I am very interested in this subject and I can see >where it can be applied in life, I just need a bit of >help getting ready for the test? Good luck everyone!!! > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com/ > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 I am kind of in the same boat with the test. I have read everything and attended every class. I did all of the study questions, but I wonder how much of the readings we have to remember and how much detail we have to go into with the study questions. I also don't remember going over #8, dealing with apperceptive and associative agnosia. I remember visual agnosia but neither of the others. I looked in the Ashcraft book, through my notes and couldn't find it. Does anyone remember? Theresa K _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Thurie@aol.com Sat, 23 Sep 2000 22:16:14 EDT Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 22:16:14 EDT From: Thurie@aol.com Thurie@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] Re: Answer to Study Question #1 I went to the review on friday and this is what I got. She told us we didn't need to be that detailed in our answer. 1. light waves bounce off the object, the mixture of the waves gives us the color of the object. ( we don't see the waves that are absorbed by the object). 2. The image goes through our pupil and is focused by the lens, then back to the retina. 3. The cones then turn the light into a neural impulse that goes to the bipolar cells and then to the ganglion cells. 4. The ganglion cells transport the image across the optic chiasm to the right hemisphere of the brain to be processed. ( the left visual field near the nose is processed by the right side of the brain). 5. It then goes back to the visual cortex, and then onto the M layer and the P layer. The M layer distinguishes movement, and the P layer deals with fine detail. That is as detailed as we need to be I think, I hope I got everything right. She was talking pretty fast. Clinton From kwan_carrie@hotmail.com Sun, 24 Sep 2000 00:34:20 MDT Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 00:34:20 MDT From: Carrie Kwan kwan_carrie@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] divided attention with practice? The chapter on attention states that with practice, a person is able to learn to do two things at the same time. It states that although a person beginning with two tasks would unavoidably focus more on one task and do less well on the other; there comes a point that with sufficient practice, one can achieve a level of efficiency on both tasks simultously that is almost automatic. As I was reading that section of the chapter, I wondered how that relates to this cell phone issue that everyone is so concerned about. It seems like most people think driving and talking on the cell phone is dangerous. Perhaps it is more precise to say that it is dangerous for people without sufficient practice at doing these two tasks simultanously, but not for some others who are so experienced with doing these two things at the same time, that it has become automatic for them. Then of course, another argument would be, people may cause many accidents before they ever reach that level of automaticity. Perhaps in the future, regulations will be made that in order for people to talk on the cell phone and drive at the same time, they must take certain practice lessons, and take some sort of exam (maybe during the driving test), and if they past the examination, they will receive a sticker on their driver's license that allow them to do so. Who knows? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From mattdhubby@hotmail.com Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:01:32 MDT Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:01:32 MDT From: matt wilson mattdhubby@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] depth perception Isn't it amazing the way our brain is programmed? If you think about it, if our brain wasn't programmed the way it is, how would could we ever know that a balloon that looks a little blurry is closer than one that is clearer. Our brain is programmed to make automatic assumptions that aid us in our judgement of depth perception. Our brains are programmed so perfectly, it's almost like someone went through and found out all the rules of depth perception, then programmed our brains with them. Is that the case, or is it that through years of experience we slowly learned these rules and unconciously programmed ourselves. I don't really have an answer to that because I don't remember ever not having any depth perception. I do, however, remember when I couldn't hit a baseball or shoot a ball into a hoop. But is this a matter of depth perception or is it a matter of coordination? I guess that's the reason why we're in this class. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From cstorms29@hotmail.com Sun, 24 Sep 2000 15:35:39 GMT Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 15:35:39 GMT From: CAROLYN STORMS cstorms29@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Selective Attention My husband and I are opposite when it comes to studying and our selective attention. He needs noise in the background like music, the radio or TV. I, on the other hand, have to have complete quiet. Any noise is a distraction to me. About half my kids are like my husband and half are like me which makes me think there must be some genetic thing going on. Does anyone have any idea why some people's performance is enhanced with background noise and other's is hampered by background noise? Carolyn Storms 00040181 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From neomorpheus9@hotmail.com Sun, 24 Sep 2000 15:21:55 EDT Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 15:21:55 EDT From: Dan Felts neomorpheus9@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Selective Attention I think with selective attention and studying, it might be more a matter of personal preference or habit than anything else (of course I'm open to being wrong). Like, for instance...sometimes when I put a certain song on "repeat" on my cd player and study just listening to that song, whenever I have been confused on a test question I have been able to remember that song playing and reading certain information during a certain part of the song, so it was like a retrieval cue for me. Other times, dead quiet has been more appealing. those are my thoughts so far. >From: "CAROLYN STORMS" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] Selective Attention >Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 15:35:39 GMT > >My husband and I are opposite when it comes to studying and our selective >attention. He needs noise in the background like music, the radio or TV. >I, on the other hand, have to have complete quiet. Any noise is a >distraction to me. About half my kids are like my husband and half are like >me which makes me think there must be some genetic thing going on. Does >anyone have any idea why some people's performance is enhanced with >background noise and other's is hampered by background noise? > >Carolyn Storms >00040181 >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From gtalebreza@shoutmail.com Sun, 24 Sep 2000 17:25:16 -0700 Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 17:25:16 -0700 From: Gloria Talebreza gtalebreza@shoutmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Re: Sample multiple choice? It would be great to have some sample multiple choice questions considering the amount of info we could potentially be tested on! HINT HINT!!! Also could anyone expound on the importance of illusions and what they tell us about perceptions? I have a little bit, but I could use some clarification. Thanks & good luck on the test! ______________________________________________________________________ Shoutmail.com - Send a voice email, go to http://shoutmail.com/instant From wilson624@hotmail.com Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:26:23 MDT Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:26:23 MDT From: alanna wilson wilson624@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] cell phone use and attention How much attention do we really have on the road when using a cell phone? Are our motor reflexes impaired during the use of cell phones? Too much multi-tasking can cause impairment in most of us. Most of us can only focus on one or two things not several. Especially when it comes to cell phone use while driving. Driving itself takes a lot of attention and if we are not completely aware of our surroundings and every situation we are at risk or we are putting other drivers at risk. Conversation itself takes our complete attention away. I know that when I have people in my car I am not completely paying attention to my driving because I am so focused on the conversation I'm having. I have found that when I use an earpiece my attention on the road is better but still not what it should be. I have two hands of the wheel when I do this but my mind is somewhere else. Attention is very easy to take away because a lot of times there are much more interesting things going on then what we should be focusing on. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From garffdog@hotmail.com Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:26:48 MDT Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:26:48 MDT From: matt garff garffdog@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Re: Sample multiple choice? This may be what you already have, but illusions are failures in the visual perceptive system. These failures demonstrate that perception is not absolute, but a construct. It takes all the information given and instantly interperets that information for us, and it doesn't always do it correctly. I hope that helps. MATT GARFF 00144838 >From: Gloria Talebreza >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] Re: Sample multiple choice? >Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 17:25:16 -0700 > >It would be great to have some sample multiple choice questions >considering the amount of info we could potentially be tested on! >HINT HINT!!! >Also could anyone expound on the importance of illusions and what >they tell us about perceptions? I have a little bit, but I could >use some clarification. Thanks & good luck on the test! > > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Shoutmail.com - Send a voice email, go to http://shoutmail.com/instant > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From cstorms29@hotmail.com Sat, 23 Sep 2000 20:51:30 GMT Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 20:51:30 GMT From: CAROLYN STORMS cstorms29@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Selective Attention My husband and I are opposite when it comes to selective attention. He studies much better when there is background noise like music, the radio or the TV. I, on the other hand, am totally distracted by any noise. I have to have total quiet. Half of my kids are like my husband and half are like me which makes me think there are some genetics going on here. Does anyone have an idea why some people's performance is hampered by noise and other's enhanced? Carolyn Storms 00040181 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From david.strayer@psych.utah.edu Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:42:33 -0600 Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:42:33 -0600 From: David Strayer david.strayer@psych.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] Preparing for the exam This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C87A4EC7C6C02989DFA03408 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As you all know, the exam will be on Tuesday. As a heads up, there will be 38 multiple choice questions and four short answer questions, the latter taken directly from the study guide. Remember that the maximum you can write for each short answer question is one (1) single-sided page. This means that you need to structure your answer so that you hit the major points in the page limit. Of course, you need not use the entire page if you can fully answer the question in less space. You will have 65 minutes to take the exam. --------------C87A4EC7C6C02989DFA03408 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="ds2144.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for David Strayer Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ds2144.vcf" begin:vcard n:Strayer;David tel;fax:(801) 581-5841 tel;home:(801) 364-0654 tel;work:(801) 581-5037 x-mozilla-html:TRUE adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:strayer@psych.utah.edu fn:Dave Strayer end:vcard --------------C87A4EC7C6C02989DFA03408-- From tarahdavis@yahoo.com Sun, 24 Sep 2000 23:01:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 23:01:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Tarah davis tarahdavis@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] number three According to my notes and ch. 6 (in Matlin and Foley), there are three main cues that aid in depth perception: pictoral, movement, and binocular. Pictoral cues include the following: interposition-what is closer will obscure things that are farther away size-an object's size influences distance estimates texture gradients-the texture of surfaces becomes denser as the distance increases, if we are viewing those surfaces from a slant linear perspective-parallel lines appear to meet in the distance atmospheric perspective-distant objects often look blurry and bluish, in contrast to nearby objects shading-a cue provided by the pattern of light and shadows height-objects near the horizon appear to be farther away from us than objects far from the horizon Movement cues include the following: motion parallax-as you move your head sideways, objects at different distances appear to move in different directions and at different speeds kinetic depth effect-(this involves the motion of objects rather than observer) a figure that looks flat when stationary appears to have depth once it moves Binocular cues include the following: convergence-means that the eyes converge, or move together to look at nearby objects binocular disparity-this refers to the different info that arises at the two eyes Does this sound correct? Any feedback is great. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From brockbeattie@yahoo.com Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:32:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:32:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Brock Beattie brockbeattie@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] Attention There has been a lot written about the use of cell phones and driving. I wanted to add a comment on the lack of sleep and driving. I have read and seen on tv that people who are sleep deprived are just as dangerous behind the wheel as someone who is drunk. This leads me to believe that the lack of sleep will cause us to loose the ability to pay attention to something much like talking on the cell phone. Also I wanted to wish everyone good luck on the test. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From kmarc1@yahoo.com Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:56:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:56:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Marcus Kimsey kmarc1@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] Re: Sample multiple choice? Furthermore the errors made by our brains while constructing an illusion tell us what rules the brain uses to organize the visual information we recieve all the time. --- matt garff wrote: > This may be what you already have, but illusions are > failures in the visual > perceptive system. These failures demonstrate that > perception is not > absolute, but a construct. It takes all the > information given and instantly > interperets that information for us, and it doesn't > always do it correctly. > I hope that helps. > > MATT GARFF 00144838 > > > >From: Gloria Talebreza > >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >Subject: [Psych3120] Re: Sample multiple choice? > >Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 17:25:16 -0700 > > > >It would be great to have some sample multiple > choice questions > >considering the amount of info we could potentially > be tested on! > >HINT HINT!!! > >Also could anyone expound on the importance of > illusions and what > >they tell us about perceptions? I have a little > bit, but I could > >use some clarification. Thanks & good luck on the > test! > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From kmarc1@yahoo.com Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:19:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:19:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Marcus Kimsey kmarc1@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] question 8 Here's what I remember for #8, please correct me if there are any errors. Apperceptive agnosia is the inability to percieve informationt that is being recieved. Blindsight is an example of this, people who have blindsight cannot see what is in an area. They are not aware of it even though they can reach out and touch the object if instructed to and their eyes are working fine. Associative agnosia is the inability to relate (associate) objects or features. The man who couldn't recognize his wife or his own face had this. He could recognize features, eyes, ears, shoes, letters, but he could not recognize people by their faces or assemble the letters to read a word. You test whether a person had one or the other by putting objects in front of them and asking them to describe them, to determine whether or not they had a blind spot, and you could have them perform recognition tasks on any objects they could describe to see if they could assemble letters to read large words or recognize familiar faces. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From ilikeduplos@hotmail.com Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:04:02 MDT Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:04:02 MDT From: Erica Fleming ilikeduplos@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Question 88 Ok can someone make sure that this answer for number 8 is correct. Here is what I came up with.... Appreciative agnosia is when you have a blind spot and can not see the object in your blindspot but you can accurately reach out to the object and grab or grasp it. An example of this being tested is to put an object like a can in front of a persons blindspot and see how they reach out to it and if they can grab it correctly. Having appreciative agnosia would be difficult because you first of all have a blind spot that hinders your eye performance and also are not able to see things clearly even though your body knows how to react to them. and then.... Associative agnosia is when you can see objects in space but you do not know what they are. For instance in the video where the man couldn't find the Exit, or the ticket line...he also didn't even recognize his wife. So he was aware of the objects around him but didn't know what they meant. And the difficult thing about this would be not knowing how to function because nothing has meaning for you. erica _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From ilikeduplos@hotmail.com Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:04:09 MDT Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:04:09 MDT From: Erica Fleming ilikeduplos@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Question 8 Ok can someone make sure that this answer for number 8 is correct. Here is what I came up with.... Appreciative agnosia is when you have a blind spot and can not see the object in your blindspot but you can accurately reach out to the object and grab or grasp it. An example of this being tested is to put an object like a can in front of a persons blindspot and see how they reach out to it and if they can grab it correctly. Having appreciative agnosia would be difficult because you first of all have a blind spot that hinders your eye performance and also are not able to see things clearly even though your body knows how to react to them. and then.... Associative agnosia is when you can see objects in space but you do not know what they are. For instance in the video where the man couldn't find the Exit, or the ticket line...he also didn't even recognize his wife. So he was aware of the objects around him but didn't know what they meant. And the difficult thing about this would be not knowing how to function because nothing has meaning for you. erica _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jasonwlogsdon@hotmail.com Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:37:23 MDT Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:37:23 MDT From: Jason Logsdon jasonwlogsdon@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] depth perception I would have to say that the reason our brains are programmed is through evolution. Our ancestors that had better depth perception would most likely live longer and have a better chance of reproducing and passing on their genes. Those that had poor depth perception couldn't avoid danger as well and would end up getting killed before passing on their genes. Jason From: "matt wilson" Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] depth perception Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:01:32 MDT Isn't it amazing the way our brain is programmed? If you think about it, if our brain wasn't programmed the way it is, how would could we ever know that a balloon that looks a little blurry is closer than one that is clearer. Our brain is programmed to make automatic assumptions that aid us in our judgement of depth perception. Our brains are programmed so perfectly, it's almost like someone went through and found out all the rules of depth perception, then programmed our brains with them. Is that the case, or is it that through years of experience we slowly learned these rules and unconciously programmed ourselves. I don't really have an answer to that because I don't remember ever not having any depth perception. I do, however, remember when I couldn't hit a baseball or shoot a ball into a hoop. But is this a matter of depth perception or is it a matter of coordination? I guess that's the reason why we're in this class. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jasonwlogsdon@hotmail.com Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:43:06 MDT Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:43:06 MDT From: Jason Logsdon jasonwlogsdon@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] colorblindness I would agree. If it was a green light, a color blind person might see it as red, but they would definetly see it because the light is still taken in by the eyes, it is just processed wrong. Jason From: Fred DeSanto Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] colorblindness Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:53:17 -0600 A reply to the question, "If the lights are out and a light keeps blinking, can a colorblind person see this? I would answer yes. I can't see why they wouldn't. They are colorblind, not blind to light. They should be able to see anything that is illuminated just like a person with "normal" sight. The colorblindness would only effect their ability to see certain colors. _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jpix@networld.com Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:39:40 -0600 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:39:40 -0600 From: Jeffrey Pixton jpix@networld.com Subject: [Psych3120] Selective Attention I agree with your method of studying. I listen to Bach while I study and I can remember the information by association with the chorus or a certain note was reached while I was studying the material. It is a really useful way of studying, in my opinion. -----Original Message----- From: "Dan Felts" To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 15:21:55 EDT Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Selective Attention >I think with selective attention and studying, it might be more a >matter of >personal preference or habit than anything else (of course I'm open to >being >wrong). Like, for instance...sometimes when I put a certain song on >"repeat" >on my cd player and study just listening to that song, whenever I have >been >confused on a test question I have been able to remember that song >playing >and reading certain information during a certain part of the song, so >it was >like a retrieval cue for me. Other times, dead quiet has been more >appealing. those are my thoughts so far. > > >>From: "CAROLYN STORMS" >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>Subject: [Psych3120] Selective Attention >>Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 15:35:39 GMT >> >>My husband and I are opposite when it comes to studying and our >selective >>attention. He needs noise in the background like music, the radio or >TV. >>I, on the other hand, have to have complete quiet. Any noise is a >>distraction to me. About half my kids are like my husband and half >are like >>me which makes me think there must be some genetic thing going on. >Does >>anyone have any idea why some people's performance is enhanced with >>background noise and other's is hampered by background noise? >> >>Carolyn Storms >>00040181 >>_____________________________________________________________________ >____ >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. >> >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>http://profiles.msn.com. >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Psych3120 mailing list >>Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > >______________________________________________________________________ >___ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 ********************************* Get your free E-Mail and Homepage Go to http://www.networld.com ********************************* From amberbarker@hotmail.com Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:34:36 GMT Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:34:36 GMT From: amber barker amberbarker@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Number 8 question Can anyone refresh my memory what appreceptive agnosia and associative agnosia is? I can't find it in my notes or in the book. What are the problems with each and how can you test for it? I would appreciate it very much. Thanks, Amber Barker _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From tkulio@hotmail.com Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:40:40 MDT Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:40:40 MDT From: Theresa Kulikowski tkulio@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] question 8 >From: Marcus Kimsey >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] question 8 >Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:19:35 -0700 (PDT) > >Here's what I remember for #8, please correct me if >there are any errors. > Apperceptive agnosia is the inability to percieve >informationt that is being recieved. Blindsight is an >example of this, people who have blindsight cannot see >what is in an area. They are not aware of it even >though they can reach out and touch the object if >instructed to and their eyes are working fine. > Associative agnosia is the inability to relate >(associate) objects or features. The man who couldn't >recognize his wife or his own face had this. He could >recognize features, eyes, ears, shoes, letters, but he >could not recognize people by their faces or assemble >the letters to read a word. > You test whether a person had one or the other by >putting objects in front of them and asking them to >describe them, to determine whether or not they had a >blind spot, and you could have them perform >recognition tasks on any objects they could describe >to see if they could assemble letters to read large >words or recognize familiar faces. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com/ > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 Thanks to those who helped on #8. I think I understand it now. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From viper@xmission.com Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:39:44 -0600 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:39:44 -0600 From: Corey Raemer viper@xmission.com Subject: [Psych3120] Tribune Article A few weeks ago when some of us were discussing Finius Cage and the prefrontal cortex regions of the brain I mentioned the hypothesis that under developed prefrontal cortical regions could lead to irrational judgements and acting on other impulses which may cause harm to ones self or others. The article featured on the front page of the Salt Lake Tribune explains how teen brains don't have fully develeoped prefrontal cortical regions. This research explains why teens (even very bright ones) engage in very risky and impulsive behaviors. Before I mentioned that scientist were imaging the brains of serial killers and finding that the prefrontal cortex regions of the brain are not fully developed and this could be one of the reasons these people can engage in these behaviors vs. somebody like you and me. Yes it is true that we are responsible for what we and I am not in anyway saying we should release the Ted Bundy's of the world because of this research. This is a very interesting article (Its in todays Salt Lake Tribune paper, monday sept 25, front page) and there are many articles published on the subject (I have found some in the journal of neuropsychology) I'm sure all of us have teen experiences we look back on and say "why did I do that, and I would never do that again." Maybe we were just young and dumb or our brains weren't able to interpret things properly at that age. From marcisparks@hotmail.com Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:44:43 MDT Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:44:43 MDT From: Marci Sparks marcisparks@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] ADHD My parents are both school teachers, my mom working with children with learning disabilities. They are currently doing research specifically with children with ADD and ADHD. They have created a computer program which is like a video game, but, it slowly increases the amount of time that the children must focus on one object. They have said that at the beginning the kids with ADD and ADHD could only focus for a couple of seconds at a time, but, over time it is increasing. This is still very much in the experimental phase, but, they are having great sucess with it, and hope that it can help them to focus their attention on other things as well. In response to the person who asked if Autism is similar to ADHD, there are many different types of Autism, but, most are much more severe than ADHD, Attention is not the only deficits that are shown with Autism. My uncle is an Autistic Sevant, he seems to pay attention to what he wants to pay attention to. He can become absorbed in the same action for hours at a time, like counting or doing math problems, so, I don't think with Autism it is an all around attentional deficit, it is what ever they choose to pay attention to at that moment. At times he is easily distracted, other times you cannot pull him away from what he is doing. He loves encyclopedias of trivia and has memorized quite a few. He knows every college football game ever played it seems, who played, their number, their stats, how many yards they ran, what high school they went to, what their stats were there, etc. He is really amazing, and a fascinating person to talk to, but, he has no social skills whatsoever, he will bust into reciting facts while you are trying to ask him what he wants to eat for dinner. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From david.strayer@psych.utah.edu Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:42:45 -0600 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:42:45 -0600 From: David Strayer david.strayer@psych.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] Apperceptive vs Associative Agnosia This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------69A4D5F6AAB06FCF8D44FB80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Apperceptive agnostics lack the perceptual ability for successful object perception. If you gave an apperceptive agnosiac a picture of a cup and ask them to copy it, they couldn't do it. On the other hand, if you put the cup into their hand they could tell you what it was. By contrast, associative agnostics lack the ability to assign meaning to objects. If you gave an associative agnostic a picture of a cup and ask them to copy it, they could draw it just fine, but they couldn't tell you what it was. The former is indicative of perceptual problems in object formation, whereas the latter is indicative of assigning meaning to the perceptual objects. --------------69A4D5F6AAB06FCF8D44FB80 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="ds2144.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for David Strayer Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ds2144.vcf" begin:vcard n:Strayer;David tel;fax:(801) 581-5841 tel;home:(801) 364-0654 tel;work:(801) 581-5037 x-mozilla-html:TRUE adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:strayer@psych.utah.edu fn:Dave Strayer end:vcard --------------69A4D5F6AAB06FCF8D44FB80-- From tkulio@hotmail.com Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:50:32 MDT Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:50:32 MDT From: Theresa Kulikowski tkulio@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] number three >From: Tarah davis >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: Psych3120 >Subject: [Psych3120] number three >Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 23:01:08 -0700 (PDT) > >According to my notes and ch. 6 (in Matlin and Foley), >there are three main cues that aid in depth >perception: pictoral, movement, and binocular. > >Pictoral cues include the following: >interposition-what is closer will obscure things that >are farther away > >size-an object's size influences distance estimates > >texture gradients-the texture of surfaces becomes >denser as the distance increases, if we are viewing >those surfaces from a slant > >linear perspective-parallel lines appear to meet in >the distance > >atmospheric perspective-distant objects often look >blurry and bluish, in contrast to nearby objects > >shading-a cue provided by the pattern of light and >shadows > >height-objects near the horizon appear to be farther >away from us than objects far from the horizon > >Movement cues include the following: >motion parallax-as you move your head sideways, >objects at different distances appear to move in >different directions and at different speeds > >kinetic depth effect-(this involves the motion of >objects rather than observer) a figure that looks flat >when stationary appears to have depth once it moves > >Binocular cues include the following: >convergence-means that the eyes converge, or move >together to look at nearby objects > >binocular disparity-this refers to the different info >that arises at the two eyes > >Does this sound correct? Any feedback is great. > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com/ > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 This is the exact info that I had in my notes, too. I also had that a movement cue is motion perspective: when we move in the world, things are viewed differently. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From must_09@hotmail.com Mon, 25 Sep 2000 13:03:07 MDT Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 13:03:07 MDT From: mike brooks must_09@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) I have found everything in my notes or in the readings except for #6, I was there for the lecture on the jumping demons but missed the next lecture I need to know the a), b), and c) partd of the question about neissers' observations please respond if you know the answer thanks mike _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From candyphi@hotmail.com Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:15:15 GMT Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:15:15 GMT From: candyphi nguyen candyphi@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] plz help with # 7 so far, #7 is the only question that haven't have the answer yet. I will appreciate if anyone help me to answer this question, thank you, good luck on the test. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:52:27 -700 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:52:27 -700 From: Kristin Ward kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] Use of the Class Message Board Psych 3120 students, I appreciate most of the posts on the class message board and have been pleased with most of the comments that have been made. Many good points have been made and some solid issues have been discussed. However, some of the messages are not appropriate to this forum. The class message board is intended for discussion of class-related issues. Personal attacks, swearing or other inappropriate comments will not be tolerated on this board. The bottom line is, use common sense when posting your messages. Please be polite and respectful of the other members of this board when posting messages. Regards, Kristin Ward (TF, Human Cognition) Good posts include: Outside information or news stories that relate to this class. Thought questions or ideas about the field of human cognition in general. Questions or ideas about course content or about the lectures and readings. Responses to another classmate's posts about the above topics. From amberbarker@hotmail.com Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:05:57 GMT Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:05:57 GMT From: amber barker amberbarker@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] #7 Well, I have the information about bottom-up processing and top down processing, but I am a little lost about the second part of the question...how each of these play a role in novel and familiar processing. I understand that with top down processing, familiar information is processed differently because this is the whole idea behind this top down idea. If you recognize it, you put it in a specific context and interpret it according to that context. And with novel information, if the context is unfamiliar, the interpretation will not depend on that specific context. And with bottom-up processing, novel information should be treated as would familiar information, although it may be quicker and easier if the info is already known, but since it is working its way up to figure out what it is,...well this is where I get a little confused. If someone could fill in the rest...? Thank you. Amber _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From SilAcciardi@aol.com Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:27:24 EDT Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:27:24 EDT From: SilAcciardi@aol.com SilAcciardi@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] plz help with # 7 Here is a little bit of help on #7 for you. I just went to the review and this is what I got out of it, if anyone wants to add, please do so: Data driven or bottom up processing is just that. There is no influence on the processing of the incoming information from outside knowledge. It is a purely heirarchical process that moves logically from one step to another. For example, imagine that you are reading a book. If you were to read in a bottom up fasion, you would break down every word letter by letter, first recognizing the first letter, then the second, third and so on, until your brain recognizes a complete word. Then you move on to the next word and so on. In contrast, conceptually driven or top down processing is when someting that you already know about the world influences what you percieve. Taking the same example, instead of going letter by letter on every word, you would automatically recognize certain words that you are already familiar with like "the, and, dog, etc" hence negating the need to figure it out letter by letter. As far as novel information processing goes, I see this as having more of a need for bottom up processing because it is information that you are not yet familiar with and you more than likely would not have prior knowledge of. With familiar information, I think that it would be much more of a top down process since it is or relates to something that you already know or can relate to. From must_09@hotmail.com Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:40:27 MDT Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:40:27 MDT From: mike brooks must_09@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] #5  would someone please enlighten me to the answer to #6, the later portion of it, and #5 with respect to the opponent processing theory thanks _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dwg4@utah.edu Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:21:54 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:21:54 -0600 (MDT) From: dwg4@utah.edu dwg4@utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] Combined Answers to Study Guide I combined all the answers for the study guide that you all posted on the board. I realized after that I didn't copy each of the names that posted the answers. I am very sorry, please forgive me. If I hadn't ran out of time, I would have went back. Sorry!!!! The only answers not here are 7 and 8. #9 has two answers. #1 I went to the review on friday and this is what I got. She told us we didn't need to be that detailed in our answer. 1. light waves bounce off the object, the mixture of the waves gives us the color of the object. ( we don't see the waves that are absorbed by the object). 2. The image goes through our pupil and is focused by the lens, then back to the retina. 3. The cones then turn the light into a neural impulse that goes to the bipolar cells and then to the ganglion cells. 4. The ganglion cells transport the image across the optic chiasm to the right hemisphere of the brain to be processed. ( the left visual field near the nose is processed by the right side of the brain). 5. It then goes back to the visual cortex, and then onto the M layer and the P layer. The M layer distinguishes movement, and the P layer deals with fine detail. 2# The first part of the Gestalt organizational principles is the law of Pragnanz which states that out of all the configurations we can see, the simplest and the most stable is the one that we see. This means that when we look at a square, we see a unit and not 4 equadistant lines places on top of each other at right angles. The next part are the laws of grouping: 1. Proximity-units near each other are processed as a unit. 2. Similarity-objects that appear the same are processed as a unit(circles with circles and squares with squares) 3. Good continuation-Objects arranged in a line are seen as a unit. Also continuous lines or curves are seen as a unit. 4. Closure-if there are gaps in a familiar object, we tend to fill in those gaps. 5. Common Fate-objects moving in the same direction at the same rate are seen as a unit. 3# According to my notes and ch. 6 (in Matlin and Foley), there are three main cues that aid in depth perception: pictoral, movement, and binocular. Pictoral cues include the following: interposition-what is closer will obscure things that are farther away size-an object's size influences distance estimates texture gradients-the texture of surfaces becomes denser as the distance increases, if we are viewing those surfaces from a slant linear perspective-parallel lines appear to meet in the distance atmospheric perspective-distant objects often look blurry and bluish, in contrast to nearby objects shading-a cue provided by the pattern of light and shadows height-objects near the horizon appear to be farther away from us than objects far from the horizon Movement cues include the following: motion parallax-as you move your head sideways, objects at different distances appear to move in different directions and at different speeds kinetic depth effect-(this involves the motion of objects rather than observer) a figure that looks flat when stationary appears to have depth once it moves Binocular cues include the following: convergence-means that the eyes converge, or move together to look at nearby objects binocular disparity-this refers to the different info that arises at the two eyes Does this sound correct? Any feedback is great. 4# Illusions: The perceptual/psychological processes that operate on the image falling upon the retina are incorrect. Illusions are important because they reveal important properties about perceptual processing; examining the failures of the visual system tells us alot baou thterules that govern normal behavior; there are important implications for art, architecture, human features etc. Contancies: The tendencies for qualities of objects o seem to stay the same, despite changes in the viewing field. Constancies are important because it keeps objects constant even though they don't look the same on the retina. These two factors tell us alot about perception. 1) Perceptions are not absolute. 2) Perception is influenced by context. 3) Perceptions are influenced by experience and prior knowledge. 4) Perceptioin is created inside our heads. 5# 5.Briefly describe the two theories of color vision. How do they account for the perception of color? Answer: 1)Trichromatic theory (Young-Helmholtz) Cones = color vision Three types of cones All cones are active but to different levels (more sensetive to different wavelengths) Blue cone : short wavelength, green cone: medium wave length, red cone: long wave length. EX: high active in blue: minimum in green and red Purple: high active in blue, minimum in green, high in red 2)Opponent process theory "lateral nucleus" higher level than cone. Between green-red, when red shine will increase activity and when green shine, decrease activity. Between Blue-Yellow, blue shine will increase activity and yellow will decrease activity. From that point, we can see that red will pair with blue and green pair with yellow. 6# Selfridge's pandemonium model contains four different stages, each stage is represented by a type of demon. The first stage is called "image demons" where an image is encoded and passed onto the next level. Level two is called "feature demons" where there is one feature demon for each simple feature that can be contained in a letter....one for a vertical line, one for horizontal bar, etc. Feature demons compare itself to the image that was forwarded to it. If it matches, it shouts. The better the match, the louder the shouting. Cognitive demons (third level) are in charge of listening to all the shouting. There is one demon for a capital G, one for capital H, etc. Since these demons only have one pattern they are responsible for, that is the only patter they listen for. For example the capital H demon listens for shouting that deals with horizontal and vertical bars. When Demon "H" hears these shouts it begins to shout too, but very loud. The fourth level is the decision demon who listens to the loudest shouts from a cognitive demon, and decides that it is a perfect match based on the evidence "heard" from the lowest to the highest levels. When compared to Neisser's study, it was difficult to find the curved target in a field of curved distracters because there were a lot a demons shouting. So it took longer to find the "match." When the curved target was in a field of angular distracters, there was almost no shouting except for the demons who matched the curved target. So finding the target was much easier. 9# Divided attention can be described as a system that deals with the problem of dividing one's attention between two tasks. Everybody has an attentional capacity which is limited to a certain extent, as a result, an allocation policy is used to balance the amount attention that either task demands. However, the intention function of this system will strongly effect the allocation of attention depending on one's personal intentions. There is also an evaluation mechanism of this system which severs to mediated the allocation of attention between the two tasks. Evaluation is used to ensure an acceptable level of performance is being meet on both tasks. The cell phone while driving issue is an example of how divided attention works. People who talk on their cell phone while driving will pay attention to the cell conversation until they almost get into an accident or something and then they'll pay more attention to driving. Selective attention refers to the selective processing of task relevant info. And uccessfully ignoring task irrelevant info.. Broadbent's Model is one way in which selective attention is described. Input or information from the environment is constantly being taken in by our perceptual system, this information is sent through an attentional filtering system that separates the task relevant info from the irrelevant, next the central processing channel takes the relevant information and spits out a response to the incoming info. An example of this could be your T.V. only tuning into one channel at a time. I'm not sure how divided attention is studied, but I think Dr. Strayer said that selective attention could be studied using headphones and playing different messages in each ear. Please correct me if these answers are wrong or need additonal help. Here's my contribution to the study guide answers...This will just give you an outline to build your actual answer on.... 9) Selective Attention is attention that involves filtering (eliminating distractions) from incoming information. This occurs when we focus on one thing and get rid of the rest. Selective Attention has been studied using the Stroop Color Word Task. (we did this in class thursday) Words are given in one color of ink but spell out another color and subjects are asked to say only the color of the ink. In this case you are forced to pay attention to (select) the color of the ink while trying to ignore what color the word actually spells. We see selective attention in the real world by what is commonly called the "cocktail-party effect." When you're at a party and there's music and a bunch of conversations going on around you, you have to filter out the "noise" in order to pay better attention to the conversation that you're having with someone. Divided attention is when you are paying atleast some attention to more than one thing at the same time. (Typically more attention to one than the other) (I'm having a hard time finding how this has been studied besides the studies similar to Pro Strayers research on cell phones, so you could use that I guess) A real world example could be driving while talking to a passenger in the car (instead of someone on the phone). You are paying attention not only to the conversation, but also to traffic signs and speed limits while driving (hopefully.) You may be paying more attention to one than the other, but you're still paying some attention to both. (there's tons of real world examples for divided attention obviously...talking on the phone while watching tv...etc.) I'm sure there's more to add to this...so please post it if you get there before I do. From lauraebarron@hotmail.com Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:12:59 MDT Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:12:59 MDT From: laura barron lauraebarron@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] the first test i just wanted to thank everyone that has helped out with explaining the questions on the study guide. its great that everyone is so willing to help the other students understand things better. you have all really helped me out in my review of the class for this test. good luck tomorrow! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kimcrocheron@mail.com Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:15:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:15:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Kim Crocheron kimcrocheron@mail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Modes of Learning Credit I have posted something on our class site every week, but I forgot to last week. Does this mean that I will not get the modes of learning credit? I hope not. I hope everyone does well on the test tomorrow! ........................................................ iWon.com http://www.iwon.com why wouldn't you? ........................................................ From jlallatin@yahoo.com Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:30:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:30:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Jon Lallatin jlallatin@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Oh yeah. Can someone explain #6 in detail? That would be great. --- mike brooks wrote: > I have found everything in my notes or in the > readings except for #6, I was > there for the lecture on the jumping demons but > missed the next lecture I > need to know the a), b), and c) partd of the > question about neissers' > observations please respond if you know the answer > thanks mike > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own > public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 From ethanfinley@hotmail.com Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:59:15 MDT Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:59:15 MDT From: Ethan Finley ethanfinley@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Study Question #8 I don't even know if this will be posted in time for anyone to correct me before the exam, but maybe answering this will serve the purpose of getting it straight in my own mind. Anyway, if I miss something, please let me know: Apperceptive agnosia, as the name implies, involves an error in object perception. That is to say, while an individual with this could probably tell you "what" an object is (that is a can of Coke), he or she could not describe (or draw) the object. The error then, in this case, is one of perceiving accurately the features of the specified object. Associative agnosia, on the other hand, is a semantic deficit. A person with this condition could draw or accurately describe an object (that is a small cylinder colored silver and red) to you, but they could not tell you exactly what it is (a Coke can). This, then, is primarily a language deficit, one which impairs the "association" of an object's features with it's name. It is however different from general aphasia in that the deficit is only in recognizing visual stimuli. I hope this accurately and concisely answers the question (especially since, I imagine, this will be more or less the answer I'll give on the exam!!) If anyone can correct me on anything, please do so! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From must_09@hotmail.com Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:29:19 MDT Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:29:19 MDT From: mike brooks must_09@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Combined Answers to Study Guide thanks for answering the questions, it really helped me out >From: dwg4@utah.edu >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] Combined Answers to Study Guide >Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:21:54 -0600 (MDT) > > >I combined all the answers for the study guide that you >all posted on the board. I realized after that I didn't >copy each of the names that posted the answers. I am >very sorry, please forgive me. If I hadn't ran out of >time, I would have went back. Sorry!!!! The only >answers not here are 7 and 8. #9 has two answers. > >#1 I went to the review on friday and this is what >I got. She told us we didn't need to be that detailed in >our answer. > 1. light waves bounce off the object, the mixture of >the waves gives us the color of the object. ( we don't >see the waves that are absorbed by the object). > 2. The image goes through our pupil and is focused >by the lens, then back to the retina. > 3. The cones then turn the light into a neural >impulse that goes to the bipolar cells and then to the >ganglion cells. > 4. The ganglion cells transport the image across >the optic chiasm to the right hemisphere of the brain to >be processed. ( the left visual field near the nose is >processed by the right side of the brain). > 5. It then goes back to the visual cortex, and then >onto the M layer and the P layer. The M layer >distinguishes movement, and the P layer deals with fine >detail. > >2# The first part of the Gestalt organizational >principles is the law of Pragnanz which states that out >of all the configurations we can see, the simplest and >the most stable is the one that we see. This means that >when we look at a square, we see a unit and not 4 >equadistant lines places on top of each other at right >angles. The next part are the laws of grouping: >1. Proximity-units near each other are processed as a >unit. >2. Similarity-objects that appear the same are processed >as a unit(circles with circles and squares with squares) >3. Good continuation-Objects arranged in a line are seen >as a unit. Also continuous lines or curves are seen as >a unit. >4. Closure-if there are gaps in a familiar object, we >tend to fill in those gaps. >5. Common Fate-objects moving in the same direction at >the same rate are seen as a unit. > >3# According to my notes and ch. 6 (in Matlin and >Foley), there are three main cues that aid in depth >perception: pictoral, movement, and binocular. >Pictoral cues include the following: >interposition-what is closer will obscure things that >are farther away size-an object's size influences >distance estimates texture gradients-the texture of >surfaces becomes denser as the distance increases, if we >are viewing those surfaces from a slant linear >perspective-parallel lines appear to meet in the >distance atmospheric perspective-distant objects often >look blurry and bluish, in contrast to nearby objects >shading-a cue provided by the pattern of light and >shadows height-objects near the horizon appear to be >farther away from us than objects far from the horizon > >Movement cues include the following: >motion parallax-as you move your head sideways, objects >at different distances appear to move in different >directions and at different speeds kinetic depth >effect-(this involves the motion of objects rather than >observer) a figure that looks flat >when stationary appears to have depth once it moves > >Binocular cues include the following: >convergence-means that the eyes converge, or move >together to look at nearby objects >binocular disparity-this refers to the different info >that arises at the two eyes > >Does this sound correct? Any feedback is great. > > >4# Illusions: The perceptual/psychological >processes that operate on the image >falling upon the retina are incorrect. Illusions are >important because they reveal important properties about >perceptual processing; examining the failures of the >visual system tells us alot baou thterules that govern >normal behavior; there are important implications for >art, architecture, human features etc. >Contancies: The tendencies for qualities of objects o >seem to stay the same, despite changes in the viewing >field. Constancies are important because it keeps >objects constant even though they don't look the same on >the retina. These two factors tell us alot about >perception. 1) Perceptions are not absolute. 2) >Perception is influenced by context. 3) Perceptions are >influenced by experience and prior knowledge. 4) >Perceptioin is created >inside our heads. > >5# 5.Briefly describe the two theories of color >vision. How do they >account for the perception of color? > >Answer: 1)Trichromatic theory (Young-Helmholtz) > Cones = color vision > Three types of cones > All cones are active but to different >levels (more sensetive to different >wavelengths) > Blue cone : short wavelength, green >cone: medium wave length, red cone: >long wave length. > EX: high active in blue: minimum in >green and red > Purple: high active in blue, >minimum in green, high in >red > 2)Opponent process theory "lateral >nucleus" higher level than cone. > Between green-red, when red shine will >increase activity and when green >shine, decrease activity. > Between Blue-Yellow, blue shine will >increase activity and yellow will >decrease activity. > From that point, we can see that red >will pair with blue and green pair >with yellow. > > >6# Selfridge's pandemonium model contains four >different stages, each stage is represented by a type of >demon. The first stage is called "image demons" where >an image is encoded and passed onto the next level. >Level two is called "feature demons" where there is one >feature demon for each simple feature that can be >contained in a letter....one for a vertical line, one >for horizontal bar, etc. Feature demons compare itself >to the image that was forwarded to it. If it matches, >it shouts. The better the match, the louder the >shouting. Cognitive demons (third level) are in charge >of listening to all the shouting. There is one demon >for a capital G, one for capital H, etc. Since these >demons only have one pattern they are responsible for, >that is the only patter they listen for. For example >the capital H demon listens for shouting that deals with >horizontal and vertical bars. When Demon "H" hears >these shouts it begins to shout too, but very loud. The >fourth level is the decision demon who listens to the >loudest shouts from a cognitive >demon, and decides that it is a perfect match based on >the evidence "heard" from the lowest to the highest >levels. When compared to Neisser's study, it was >difficult to find the curved target in a field of curved >distracters because there were a lot a demons >shouting. So it took longer to find the "match." When >the curved target was in a field of angular distracters, >there was almost no shouting except for the demons who >matched the curved target. So finding the target was >much easier. > >9# Divided attention can be described as a system >that deals with the problem of dividing one's attention >between two tasks. Everybody has an attentional >capacity which is limited to a certain extent, as a >result, an allocation policy is used to balance the >amount attention that either task demands. However, the >intention function of this system will strongly effect >the allocation of attention depending on one's personal >intentions. There is also an evaluation mechanism of >this system which severs to mediated the allocation of >attention between the two tasks. Evaluation is used to >ensure an acceptable level of performance is being meet >on both tasks. The cell phone while driving issue is an >example of how divided attention works. People who talk >on their cell phone while driving will pay attention to >the cell conversation until they almost get into an >accident or something and then they'll pay more >attention to driving. > >Selective attention refers to the selective processing >of task relevant info. And uccessfully ignoring task >irrelevant info.. Broadbent's Model is one way in which >selective attention is described. Input or information >from the environment is constantly being taken in by our >perceptual system, this information is sent through an >attentional filtering system that separates the task >relevant info from the irrelevant, next the central >processing channel takes the relevant information and >spits out a response to the incoming info. An example >of this could be your T.V. only tuning into one channel >at a time. I'm not sure how divided attention is >studied, but I think Dr. Strayer said that selective >attention could be >studied using headphones and playing different messages >in each ear. > Please correct me if these answers are wrong or >need additonal help. > Here's my contribution to the study guide >answers...This will just give you >an outline to build your actual answer on.... > >9) >Selective Attention is attention that involves filtering >(eliminating distractions) from incoming information. >This occurs when we focus on one thing and get rid of >the rest. >Selective Attention has been studied using the Stroop >Color Word Task. (we did this in class thursday) Words >are given in one color of ink but spell out another >color and subjects are asked to say only the color of >the ink. In this case you are forced to pay attention >to (select) the color of the ink while trying to ignore >what color the word actually spells. We see selective >attention in the real world by what is commonly called >the "cocktail-party effect." When you're at a party and >there's music and a bunch of conversations going on >around you, you have to filter out the "noise" in order >to pay better attention to the conversation that you're >having with someone. > >Divided attention is when you are paying atleast some >attention to more than one thing at the same time. >(Typically more attention to one than the other) (I'm >having a hard time finding how this has been studied >besides the studies similar to Pro Strayers research on >cell phones, so you could use that I guess) A real >world example could be driving while talking to a >passenger in the car (instead of someone on the phone). >You are paying attention not only to the conversation, >but also to traffic signs and speed limits while driving >(hopefully.) You may be paying more attention to one >than the other, but >you're still paying some attention to both. (there's >tons of real world examples for divided attention >obviously...talking on the phone while watching >tv...etc.) >I'm sure there's more to add to this...so please post it >if you get there >before I do. > > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:16:17 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:16:17 -0600 (MDT) From: Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] multi-tasking I hope I'm remembering correctly, but I think I read somewhere that people who have more connections between hemispheres of the brain (accross the corpus colosium) have an easier time multi-tasking or thinking in a global way rather than only being able to focus on one thing. I wonder if it has to do with the way each of us is stimulated from birth--the more we are stimulated in a particular way, the more connections we acquire? From Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:22:58 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:22:58 -0600 (MDT) From: Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] test questions To all of you who are responding with info about the study questions: I've heard it said that you don't REALLY understand a subject until you can explain it to someone else so they can understand it. I know that you have at least helped ME to understand better. Those of you who have done this should do really well on the exam. THANK YOU!!! From Mexpebbles@aol.com Mon, 25 Sep 2000 23:30:01 EDT Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 23:30:01 EDT From: Mexpebbles@aol.com Mexpebbles@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] the first test I would also like to say thanks to everyone for helping with the study guide. It was very helpful to have this message board. Best of luck to everyone tomorrow on the test!! From jjfoust@ix.netcom.com Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:37:32 -0600 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:37:32 -0600 From: Jaime C. Foust jjfoust@ix.netcom.com Subject: [Psych3120] GoOd LuCk!! Just wanted to send a BIG thank you to everyone who has been a part of the message board study group. You have all been a tremendous help to me, and many others. Good luck to everyone!! Jaime Foust From mikebaker13@yahoo.com Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:09:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:09:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Baker mikebaker13@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] Good Luck On The Test!! 1. A yellow butterfly swoops past the left side of your head and lands on a green plant in front of you. Describe in detail how this information is processed in the visual system. As the butterfly swoops past you, you will first notice that movement has taken place, your eyes will seek out the movement and begin to try to interpret the image. The light that is reflected off of the image goes through your pupil and is focused by the lens onto the retina. The image is upside down on the retina. The cones that are receptive to these colors are activated and they turn the image into a neural impulse that passes through the bipolar cells to the ganglion cells. The ganglion cells will transport the impulse to the optic nerve. From there it will cross through the optic chiasm and will head to the right hemisphere of the brain to be processed and passed onto the visual cortex. At the visual cortex, the impulse will be taken to the M level that detects motion and the P level that detects fine details. This process produces the yellow butterfly on the green plant. 2 Discuss the importance of Gestalt organizational principles in perception. Why are these ideas important? Gestalt organizational principles are important because they help us understand how we see the world and why we interpret it to be as it is. Gestalt principles state that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. We see images as complete units, and not just lines and angles that turn into something. One of the first principles is the law of pragnanz, this law states that when we see an image we are seeing the simplest explanation of something. This law of pragnance states that we will perceive the most stable and simple explanation for something. Other Gestalt organizational principles help to explain the world around us. The first one is the law of Proximity; this law states that objects will be processed as a unit if they are perceived to be near each other. Another principle is the principle of similarity. This states that objects that are similar to each other will be processed as one unit. The next principle is the principle of good continuation. This principle states that objects will be perceived as one object if they are in lines. The principle of closure states that if there is a gap in an object that is familiar our visual system will fill in the gaps and perceive the object as one unit. The last principle is the principle of common fate. This principle states that objects that are moving together at the same rate in the same direction will be processed as one unit. 3. The perception of depth is important for navigation in the world. Describe the sources of information, which aid in depth perception. Depth perception is achieved by three types of cues that are found in the world that surrounds us. These are visual cues, motion cues and binocular cues. Visual cues are made up by the things that can be perceived by one eye. These cues include things like linear perspective, height, size, atmospheric perspective, shading, texture interposition and accommodation. Each of these cues have a trait that shows the eye the proper place in a three dimensional perspective. This aids in the perception of depth. The second cues are motion cues; this can be described by the motion parallax. The motion parallax occurs when we see objects in the distance move in different directions as we travel through space. This is common to us when we are traveling in our vehicles and we see the sun traveling a different direction as we are. The third cue that aids us in our perception of depth is our binocular disparity. Our eyes are set apart by about 2 ½ -3 inches. This provides us with a way of combining two flat images into one 3 dimensional object. 4. What are constancies and illusions? Why are they important and what do they tell us about perception? Illusions are psychological/perceptual errors that occur when we view objects. The object is following all of the natural laws, but our visual system cannot interpret them correctly. Illusions are important because as we see our visual system making errors we can better understand how our visual system should work normally. Constancies are caused by our visual systems need for things to remain constant. Our mind will perceive familiar objects to be the same even though they are in actuality very different. An example of this is when we are able to perceive our clothing as being the same color in different conditions. Indoors our clothing reflects much less light back to our eyes, but our eyes will see a green shirt as being green indoors and also outdoors where the illumination is much, much greater. These two principles aid us by teaching us that our perceptions are formed in our minds and that we do not always perceive thing correctly. 5. Briefly describe the two theories of color vision. How do they account for the perception of color? The two theories of color vision are the Trichromatic theory and the opponent process theory. The Trichromatic theory states that we have three types of cones. These cones are constantly active but at different levels. Each of these cones is more receptive to certain colors or wavelengths. Color is produced by each of these cones reacting to a certain color at different levels at the same time. The three types of cones are known as the Blue cones, which are reactive to short wavelengths, the Green cones that reactive to medium wavelengths and the red cones that are reactive to long wavelengths. The Opponent Process theory states that cells that perceive color are only active when they are stimulated by a specific color. Cells are excited by the presence of a certain color and quieted when different colors are present. The Opponent process theory claims that color is perceived at the receptor levels and not at higher levels in the visual system. Color is produced by each of these cells being active at certain times. 6. Briefly describe Selfridges pandemonium model of pattern recognition. How does the model account for the difference in visual search performance Nessier observed when subjects searched for a curved target a) in a field of curved distracters or b) in a field of angular distracters? Selfridge's pandemonium model states that images are processed in a hierarchical process. This process has four levels, each of these levels having specific duties. Each of these levels are represented by the use of "Demons" The first level of Demons are the Image Demons, these demons see a piece of a pattern and begin to yell. Each demon is excited by a specific type of line or part of a pattern. These demons yell as loud as they can as they try to convince the next level of demons of their accuracy. The second level of demons are the feature demons. These demons hear the yelling of the image demons and they, being excited by certain features of the image demons, begin to shout as loud as they can. These image demons are trying to convince the next level of demons of their accuracy. The third level of demons are the cognitive demons. These demons evaluate the screaming and yelling and begin to narrow down the field of contenders. They make their choices and scream them out at the last level of demons, the decision demons. The decision demons make an accurate interpretation and they pick the winner of the yelling contest. Nessier's findings can be explained by this theory. In the search for the target letter there were many demons screaming and yelling, this slows down the process of the decision demons. When an object is distinct in a group their will be less demons fighting to be right and the decision demons get their information much more rapidly. 7. Explain the differences between data-driven (bottom-up) processing and conceptually driven (top-down) processing. Describe the role each plays in processing a) novel information and b) familiar information. Data driven or bottom up processing occurs at the lower levels of the visual system. It comes to a decision about an object through a system of levels. Each level leading to the next until an object can be recognized. Conceptual driven or top down processing occurs in the higher levels of the visual system. These decisions are based upon prior knowledge. Perception is based upon experience. Novel information and familiar information is processed in a similar way by the data driven process. Familiar items will be processed much more rapidly. Conceptually driven processing will interpret familiar data by seeing the object and placing it in the context that is most appropriate and then a decision will be made. Novel information is logged as an unfamiliar context and will be stored until it can be recalled again. 8. Contrast symptoms of apperceptive agnosia and associative agnosia. What seems to be the major problem in each, and how might you test whether a person has one or the other? Apperceptive agnosia occurs when a person has problems perceiving an object. This person would know what the object was if it was held in the hand, but they could not draw the object. Associative agnosia occurs when the person can draw the object but does not know what they drew. These could be tested by giving the patient an object and asking them to perform a task that would be indicative of the specific disorder. The main problem appears to be in the fact that the person can see the object but it is not getting processed correctly by the visual system. 9. Describe the differences between selective and divided attention. Provide a description of how these two forms of attention are studied and provide real-world examples of each. Divided attention is when a person divides attention between multiple tasks. People have a limited amount of attention that they can use, so divided attention must be regulated by a system that spreads needed attention to one task by taking it away from another task. Divided attention can become second nature to many people. Many simple tasks can be combined with very little attention needed. This is a learned behavior. Studying for an exam while watching the television is a real world example of divided attention. Attention must be shared between the two activities and one of the activities may suffer from the lack of attention. Divided attention can be studied by measuring the outcomes of performing multiple tasks at the same time. Selective attention is when a person pays attention to just one task by filtering out the other stimuli that are coming in. Tasks are given priority and they receive attention when that task needs to be performed. Shutting off the television and talking with a friend with no other distractions is a real world example of this. Selective attention has been studied in many ways. One of the studies done by Broadbent listed different colors in three possible schemes. One scheme was black and white; one had the color written in the color of ink corresponding to that color and the third scheme mixed the colors and names of the words. The subject was to say all three lists accurately. The third list gave most people trouble because it required divided attention and not selective attention. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From A.Cahoon@m.cc.utah.edu Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:30:38 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:30:38 -0600 (MDT) From: A Cahoon A.Cahoon@m.cc.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) I too would like to say how much I appreciated all the help on the study guide. It was helpful to have the questions answered in different ways and with different insights. It helps to have things repeated, so it gets drilled into my brain. Thank you very much. Amy From jpix@networld.com Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:34:13 -0600 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:34:13 -0600 From: Jeffrey Pixton jpix@networld.com Subject: [Psych3120] Thanks I also wanted to thank everyone for their contributions to this message board. Collaboration of ideas and trivia within a subject really makes the class come alive to me, as well as aids my understanding and recollection. Because of everyone's help, I feel much more confident going into this exam today. Thanks again and good luck! Natalie Janovak ********************************* Get your free E-Mail and Homepage Go to http://www.networld.com ********************************* From sweet_sun_nymph@yahoo.com Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:26:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:26:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Turpin sweet_sun_nymph@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] Thanks! I, too, would like to thank all those that helped me understand these concepts through the message board. You've been a tremendous help. I'm sure you all will do well on the test. Good luck! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From mobiaz@excite.com Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:17:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:17:57 -0700 (PDT) From: mobiaz@excite.com mobiaz@excite.com Subject: [Psych3120] Divided attention In looking at the aspect of male vs. female and the difference in their ability to successfully complete multitasking situations, what role does individual ability play in this aspect. I am thinking that with the various cognitive levels such a I.Q. and others, is it really feasable to divide the population in this manner? However, the thought crossed my mind is that if the comparison was reletive to the opposite gender with comparative cognitive abilities that the hypothesis might ring true. I was just wondering if anyone who posted those messages could shed some light on this for me. Thanks, Tyler Burnett _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From becky@lumintech.com Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:36:31 -0600 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:36:31 -0600 From: Becky Alder becky@lumintech.com Subject: [Psych3120] Time and attention I know that I have not put the time into the message board as I would have liked. I hope that in increasing my efforts I can still become eligiable for the modes of learning credit. I wanted to also note a special thanks to all that helped with study questions and reply's in getting ready for the exam. It is so neat to see classmates pull together to help each other out. My addition to the board is the one for divided attention. I know the subject has been beaten to death but....I agree with the cell phone being a diversion when driving. However, what do you think about the new ear pieces that you wear and instead of having to pick up the phone and fiddle with the on switch it just comes on and you just start talking. What would be the difference between that and having a conversation with someone sitting in your car? Also are there any stats about mothers with a heard of noisey kids in the back. I would think that more distracting then a cell phone. Anyway just curious. From gleim@uswest.net Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:53:16 -0600 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:53:16 -0600 From: The Gleim's gleim@uswest.net Subject: [Psych3120] Modes of Learning Credit I didn't post last week either, but I really appreciated those who did help out with the study guide. Having students who had a solid grasp on the material share their knowledge on the class bulletin board was a huge study aid for everyone. I would also like to let anyone know who didn't attend the review session that it was one of the best reviews that I have ever had. So, if you didn't make it this time I would recommend it for the next exam. Heather Gleim -----Original Message----- From: Kim Crocheron To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Date: Monday, September 25, 2000 6:15 PM Subject: [Psych3120] Modes of Learning Credit >I have posted something on our class site every week, but I forgot to last >week. Does this mean that I will not get the modes of learning credit? I >hope not. I hope everyone does well on the test tomorrow! > > >........................................................ >iWon.com http://www.iwon.com why wouldn't you? >........................................................ > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From CatherineW123@aol.com Tue, 26 Sep 2000 18:49:29 EDT Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 18:49:29 EDT From: CatherineW123@aol.com CatherineW123@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] Divided attention I posted a message about gender and the ability to multi task. I saw a show on television that said structurally male and female brains were set up differently and this made it harder for males to multi task or divide their attention. I do not know whether this is true or not since this is the only example or study I have heard about done on this subject. I wonder if any other studies have been done about this issue and what the results were. You talked about the ability to multi task depending upon the person's cognitive abilities etc. To add to this I think it also depends on the tasks at hand. Catherine From A.Cahoon@m.cc.utah.edu Tue, 26 Sep 2000 16:50:37 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 16:50:37 -0600 (MDT) From: A Cahoon A.Cahoon@m.cc.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] Time and attention I don't know what the statistics are on mothers with noisy kids in the back, but I do know that their attention to driving is very bad because a few years ago I got rear-ended in a parking lot by a mother that was backing out of her spot and was paying attention to her children and didn't see me. I also know that having a conversation while driving is equally dangerous. A couple of weeks ago my mom was backing out of the parking lot and talking to me and almost hit a car. Later on that same night, she was talking to me and went through a red light and almost got in a wreck. They say you shouldn't drive when you're upset and they're right. Her mind was not on the road at all that night, because she was upset about something. She also didn't realize that we were coming up to the street we needed to turn on to go home. She shouldn't have driven at all! I even told her to stop talking to me and pay attention to the road but she still was driving poorly because she was upset. Also, I think that those new ear pieces aren't any better because you are still directing your attention to the conversation. It's not the actual phone that is causing your attention to be diverted, although the ear pieces probably helps somewhat. I don't really know, just my opinion. Amy Cahoon #00077943 On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, Becky Alder wrote: > I know that I have not put the time into the message board as I would have > liked. I hope that in increasing my efforts I can still become eligiable for > the modes of learning credit. > > I wanted to also note a special thanks to all that helped with study > questions and reply's in getting ready for the exam. It is so neat to see > classmates pull together to help each other out. > > My addition to the board is the one for divided attention. I know the > subject has been beaten to death but....I agree with the cell phone being a > diversion when driving. However, what do you think about the new ear pieces > that you wear and instead of having to pick up the phone and fiddle with the > on switch it just comes on and you just start talking. What would be the > difference between that and having a conversation with someone sitting in > your car? Also are there any stats about mothers with a heard of noisey kids > in the back. I would think that more distracting then a cell phone. > > Anyway just curious. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From listonbr@yahoo.com Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:19:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:19:35 -0700 (PDT) From: s.brandon liston listonbr@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] Input Thanks everyone that posted a question it was a big help on the essay portion of the test. I was just wondering how everyone felt about the test, For example I felt very prepared for the essay part, but on the (MC) I don't feel as good, I was just curious if anyone else found a few of the questions to be very challenging, some of the questions at the end had me confused. Thanks for your Feedback Today in another one of my classes we were studying the cockpit of an airplane and with my knowledge and experience I began to develop a rather simple question? I asked my instructor why over the years, with as much technology as we have developed, and the digital products available for the inside of the cock pit, why are still some of the most important instruments that a pilot uses still analog? He answered me two reasons one because those instruments go out on you and two that is how it's been for years, the location of the instruments and the function. So than I said does that have anything to do with the cognition of the human mind, do you think that we arranged the instruments in a certain way so that the mind could process it much easier? He answered me with a definite yes. Liston 00154324 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Mexpebbles@aol.com Wed, 27 Sep 2000 01:54:41 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 01:54:41 EDT From: Mexpebbles@aol.com Mexpebbles@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] Input I also felt good about the essay part of the exam, but the multiple choice threw me off. I liked the fact that knew what to expect with the essay questions, but I thought we should have been given a little more information on what to expect for the MC. Does anyone feel the same way? From jlallatin@yahoo.com Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:12:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:12:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Jon Lallatin jlallatin@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] Thanks! I would like to thank everyone as well. But I guess I won't know how thankful until the results are out. I hope everyone does well. --- Kris Turpin wrote: > I, too, would like to thank all those that helped me > understand these concepts through the message board. > > You've been a tremendous help. I'm sure you all > will > do well on the test. Good luck! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! > Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 From becky@lumintech.com Wed, 27 Sep 2000 10:17:23 -0600 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 10:17:23 -0600 From: Becky Alder becky@lumintech.com Subject: [Psych3120] Divided attention I was reading one of the other emails in regards to divided attention. In a developemental class I once took I recall the debate of Nature vs Nuture. I am taking an educated guess when I say I think that divided attention is more a learned thing than a genetic issue. Little girls will watch their mother be the family: cook, nurse, grocery shopper, bill payer, work a job/career, etc., etc. They will then immatate this behavior in their play. Thus they grow up being very multi-task oriented. Boys on the other hand for a long time were "not expected" to play multiple rolls. How often do you hear a man as how he is going to balance his career with his marriage? I also want to point out that from this state of mind less then 10 years ago, we have also since evolved. Men have become more intergrated in a multi-task world as women are more into full time careers. My GM is a part time student, the bill payer, the laundry doer, and still runs a multimillion dollar company. Men "have" become very multi-task oreinted. If this were a genetic thing, how can this behavior be so modified in one generation? My final comment is that even though in some respects women still can have a dozen projects going at once, and men are very focused on a single project. I think that we as women need to practice being more focused as I know men are working more toward the multi-task efforts whether they realize it or not. From viper@xmission.com Wed, 27 Sep 2000 10:16:49 -0600 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 10:16:49 -0600 From: Corey Raemer viper@xmission.com Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) I can't remember the name of who put up the study guide but thanks, It made this test a lot easier to study for. From what I heard from people whom have taken this class they say it only gets harder. From kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Wed, 27 Sep 2000 09:32:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 09:32:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Karen Griffin kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] Eyewitness Testimony There have been a few postings in the past about how faulty eye-witness testimony can be. Proof of this was stated in an article in Sunday's Salt Lake Tribune. A woman who was raped in the mid 1980s and had been what the police and prosecutors called "the perfect witness." She never faltered in any of her testimony and had positively identified a man as her attacker. This man had even been successful in getting a second trial and in the second trial she was confronted with her actual assailant and the man she had acused earlier. She continued to stand behind her testimony and the guilty person went free (on this particular rape anyway). The police also had some circumstantial evidence that pointed to the innocent man. Putting this information with a very firm victim's eye-witness testimony, the guy didn't stand a chance. 11 years after the fact DNA evidence proved that she had been wrong. Now she actively speaks out about the problems with eye-witness testimony. This subject is particularly interesting to me as I spent about 8 years working in a courtroom as a court clerk. I sat through many trials where witnesses would tell their story of what happened. Now I'm really wondering how our judicial system can work. If you can't rely on what someone sees to try to understand what happened in a crime, how do we ever solve crimes and make sure the right person is behind bars? I don't fully understand why eyewitness testimony is so faulty. I can understand it as time degrades the memory, but when an initial statement is taken, how can the memory be so faulty? Is it because a victim is trying to make sense of what happened to them, and so they're not thinking straight? Or, does each of our schemas taint reality for us that nothing that we see is total "reality" and what is actually happening? Any thoughts on this? Karen Griffin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From becky@lumintech.com Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:27:54 -0600 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:27:54 -0600 From: Becky Alder becky@lumintech.com Subject: [Psych3120] Input I really struggled with the MC too. I would really like to have that better covered in the study sessions next time. As for the Essay I was really pleased. I felt well prepared for that too. Especially for the amount of time given to do the exam, any less preparation would have been death! -----Original Message----- From: psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu [mailto:psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu]On Behalf Of Mexpebbles@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 11:55 PM To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Input I also felt good about the essay part of the exam, but the multiple choice threw me off. I liked the fact that knew what to expect with the essay questions, but I thought we should have been given a little more information on what to expect for the MC. Does anyone feel the same way? _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 From trichardson@acs.utah.edu Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:27:52 -0600 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:27:52 -0600 From: Richardson, Tim trichardson@acs.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] Input I spent too much time on the essays and ended up hurrying through the multiple choice questions. I had to pick the first answer that sounded correct on three questions because of time. Maybe I just write slow or something?? -----Original Message----- From: Becky Alder [mailto:becky@lumintech.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 11:28 AM To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: RE: [Psych3120] Input I really struggled with the MC too. I would really like to have that better covered in the study sessions next time. As for the Essay I was really pleased. I felt well prepared for that too. Especially for the amount of time given to do the exam, any less preparation would have been death! -----Original Message----- From: psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu [mailto:psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu]On Behalf Of Mexpebbles@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 11:55 PM To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Input I also felt good about the essay part of the exam, but the multiple choice threw me off. I liked the fact that knew what to expect with the essay questions, but I thought we should have been given a little more information on what to expect for the MC. Does anyone feel the same way? _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 From JRWoods@aol.com Wed, 27 Sep 2000 13:39:41 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 13:39:41 EDT From: JRWoods@aol.com JRWoods@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] Divided attention I enjoy reading everyone's questions and comments. I just read one about divided attention that attempted to classify it as a possibly learned trait that has, in the past, been atributed mostly to women. The argument states that women emulate their mothers as they balance a home, family and careers and then follow suit. And that men are have been soley focused on their occupations. I must say that I very much disagree with this theory. Being male of female does not change our basic neural structures and thinking patterns. I feel that divided attention, or the ability to participate in multiple learned tasks simultaneously is a direct product of higher brain function found in higher order animal species. To be able to walk, carry on an intelligent conversation, and be thinking about your stockmarket portfolio simultaneously is not just a female or male trait, but a human trait that enables us to utilize the precious time we have to maximize our chances of survival. Divided attention is most definitely a learned ability that has it's roots in our genetic make-up as human beings. Thanks for listening, Chris From tkulio@hotmail.com Wed, 27 Sep 2000 12:19:55 MDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 12:19:55 MDT From: Theresa Kulikowski tkulio@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Eyewitness Testimony >From: Karen Griffin >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] Eyewitness Testimony >Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 09:32:29 -0700 (PDT) > >There have been a few postings in the past about how >faulty eye-witness testimony can be. Proof of this >was stated in an article in Sunday's Salt Lake >Tribune. A woman who was raped in the mid 1980s and >had been what the police and prosecutors called "the >perfect witness." She never faltered in any of her >testimony and had positively identified a man as her >attacker. This man had even been successful in >getting a second trial and in the second trial she was >confronted with her actual assailant and the man she >had acused earlier. She continued to stand behind her >testimony and the guilty person went free (on this >particular rape anyway). The police also had some >circumstantial evidence that pointed to the innocent >man. Putting this information with a very firm >victim's eye-witness testimony, the guy didn't stand a >chance. > >11 years after the fact DNA evidence proved that she >had been wrong. Now she actively speaks out about the >problems with eye-witness testimony. > >This subject is particularly interesting to me as I >spent about 8 years working in a courtroom as a court >clerk. I sat through many trials where witnesses >would tell their story of what happened. Now I'm >really wondering how our judicial system can work. If >you can't rely on what someone sees to try to >understand what happened in a crime, how do we ever >solve crimes and make sure the right person is behind >bars? > >I don't fully understand why eyewitness testimony is >so faulty. I can understand it as time degrades the >memory, but when an initial statement is taken, how >can the memory be so faulty? Is it because a victim >is trying to make sense of what happened to them, and >so they're not thinking straight? Or, does each of >our schemas taint reality for us that nothing that we >see is total "reality" and what is actually happening? > Any thoughts on this? > > >Karen Griffin > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com/ > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 I really don't understand what goes on to create such false eye-witness testimonies, but I do realize that the mind has many ways of protecting us from things that we may not be able to handle. We are learning of how perception can create illusions and how we fill in for missing data; it's possible that we use similar mechanisms for accounting for what we saw during a traumatic period. Physiologically, things are occurring and we are attending more to our fear responses than to the actual situation. As with divided attention, it is hard to perform well on two non-automatic tasks. I think our perception fills in for some information that we then missed due to our poor attention. Sometimes, I also believe that our defense mechanisms kick in and we may repress memories or relate images to previous experiences that create a bias in our recall. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jonnyutah@mindspring.com Wed, 27 Sep 2000 12:58:45 -0600 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 12:58:45 -0600 From: Jon Lindberg jonnyutah@mindspring.com Subject: [Psych3120] Here's a novel thought.... On the first day of class I went to the course website and printed up all of the study guides. To my surprise, the study guide I printed up on that first day of class was the exact same study guide handed to us in class. Anyway, I used that first study guide I printed as a guide throughout the first module for the test, and felt pretty prepared for the test yesterday, including the multiple choice (I admit though that some of the mc threw me off!). It stands to reason that if the study guide for the first test wasn't any different from what I initially printed up, the others will be the same way. So, here's what I suggest: print up the second study guide ASAP and lets start working on it now, rather than waiting the week before the test to hammer out the questions. At the end of each week, we'll go over our notes and readings collectively and answer the questions, similar to what was done this last week. And, oh yes, thanks to all those who posted their answers for the essays! It was a great help! Team work really pays off. From ham070@hotmail.com Wed, 27 Sep 2000 13:29:47 MDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 13:29:47 MDT From: amber kresser ham070@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Thanks! I WOULD JUST LIKE TO GIVE A HUGE THANKS TO EVERYONE WHO WAS WILLING TO SHARE INFO ON THE MESSAGE BOARD. THE EMAILS I PRINTED OUT FROM THE STUDENTS WERE ALMOST MORE HELPFUL THAN ANYTHING ELSE. THANK YOU AND LETS KEEP UP THE TEAMWORK. >From: Kris Turpin >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] Thanks! >Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:26:11 -0700 (PDT) > >I, too, would like to thank all those that helped me >understand these concepts through the message board. >You've been a tremendous help. I'm sure you all will >do well on the test. Good luck! > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com/ > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From marisamarston@hotmail.com Wed, 27 Sep 2000 13:32:28 MDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 13:32:28 MDT From: Marisa Marston marisamarston@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) I am sitting here reading all of your messages and kicking myself at the same time. I did not like many others use the message board to my advantage in preparing for the exam. After reading the many e-mails I suddenly understand the things I was having a hard time with. Any way I would just like to say that I think it is great the way that students are helping fellow students, and I hope it continues. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From norrisrachel@freeport.com Thu, 28 Sep 2000 01:41:30 GMT Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 01:41:30 GMT From: Rachel Norris norrisrachel@freeport.com Subject: [Psych3120] thanks! I also wanted to thank everyone that posted answers to the study guide questions. I would not have done well on the test if it weren't for other's imput. Thanks so much! From norrisrachel@freeport.com Thu, 28 Sep 2000 01:46:06 GMT Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 01:46:06 GMT From: Rachel Norris norrisrachel@freeport.com Subject: [Psych3120] multi-tasks I meant to post this last week, but I was too busy studying for the test! Anyways, I had a thought about doing more than one task at once. Since this issue has been brought up, I have been paying closer attention to the number of tasks I am doing at the same time, and I have noticed that it's not the number of tasks I'm performing at the same time, but their level of complexity. For instance, I noticed that I was talking on the phone and making dinner at the same time while listening to music. I concluded that it doesn't require much thought to talk on the phone or listen to music because they are tasks that are very familiar to us and don't require much thought. I can see both sides of driving while talking on the cell phone. I think that if I were talking while driving home from work, it wouldn't effect my level of attention too much because I know that route home so well, but if I had to go somewhere different after work, that my be a different story. From viper@xmission.com Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:35:11 -0600 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:35:11 -0600 From: Corey Raemer viper@xmission.com Subject: [Psych3120] Cell phones and driving In regards to the post on ear piece for the cell phones I recall Dr. Strayer saying that it didn't make a difference on attention if you used an ear piece or not. Although those ear pieces would seem to take away the distraction of having to look away and dial and all that stuff I guess from what Strayer has told us that is not what causes the distraction. The research, which I believe he is doing, shows that it is the act of actually holding a conversation with somebody and trying to drive. Can you all imagine what the road will be like in 2-3 years when people are drivng down the road trading stocks while sending an email from their in dash computer. From david.strayer@psych.utah.edu Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:54:57 -0600 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:54:57 -0600 From: David Strayer david.strayer@psych.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------031321485D4217B482941DA1 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------8731B5BD6EC0510C00E28A67" --------------8731B5BD6EC0510C00E28A67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is a current topic that anticipates an issue that we will be discussing in a couple of weeks. Do you support the death penalty? If so, what evidence would lead you to recommend the death penalty? Texas's death penalty law has become an issue in the presidential campaign. Both Bush, the Republican nominee, and Vice President Al Gore support capital punishment. But Bush, who denies that Texas has executed an innocent person under current law, also says that state law guarantees fair trials for defendants in capital cases and an adequate review by appeals courts and the Board of Pardons and Paroles. James Harrington, the civil rights project's executive director, said the system is focused on "technical compliance" with procedures. The question of guilt or innocence often gets lost, he said. In a recent controversial case, Gary Graham was put to death for a murder during an armed robbery after a conviction based on testimony from a single witness. Critics said that she was steered into her identification of Graham by investigators who showed her a photo array that included Graham's picture shortly before she picked him from a lineup. --------------8731B5BD6EC0510C00E28A67 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is a current topic that anticipates an issue that we will be discussing in a couple of weeks.

Do you support the death penalty?  If so, what evidence would lead you to recommend the death penalty?

      Texas's death penalty law has become an issue in the presidential campaign. Both Bush, the Republican
      nominee, and Vice President Al Gore support capital punishment. But Bush, who denies that Texas has
      executed an innocent person under current law, also says that state law guarantees fair trials for defendants in
      capital cases and an adequate review by appeals courts and the Board of Pardons and Paroles.

      James Harrington, the civil rights project's executive director, said the system is focused on "technical
      compliance" with procedures. The question of guilt or innocence often gets lost, he said.

      In a recent controversial case, Gary Graham was put to death for a murder during an armed robbery after a
      conviction based on testimony from a single witness. Critics said that she was steered into her identification of
      Graham by investigators who showed her a photo array that included Graham's picture shortly before she
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Leonard Cancel 00180520 >---------- >From: Becky Alder[SMTP:becky@lumintech.com] >Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 11:27 AM >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: RE: [Psych3120] Input > >I really struggled with the MC too. I would really like to have that better >covered in the study sessions next time. As for the Essay I was really >pleased. I felt well prepared for that too. Especially for the amount of >time given to do the exam, any less preparation would have been death! > >-----Original Message----- >From: psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu >[mailto:psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu]On Behalf Of >Mexpebbles@aol.com >Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 11:55 PM >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Input > > >I also felt good about the essay part of the exam, but the multiple choice >threw me off. I liked the fact that knew what to expect with the essay >questions, but I thought we should have been given a little more information >on what to expect for the MC. Does anyone feel the same way? > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:29:27 -0600 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:29:27 -0600 From: Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com Subject: [Psych3120] Reserve Readings Hello All! Has anyone had a chance to read the reserve readings yet? I have read a couple and they make for great reading. They are not lengthy and the stories are entertaining. My question or curiousity is, what are we suppose to figure out here? I guess Dr Strayer will go over this in class, but I was trying to find the link to cognitive psych in the stories. Does anyone have a clue? Leonard Cancel 00180520 From jasonwlogsdon@hotmail.com Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:04:08 MDT Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:04:08 MDT From: Jason Logsdon jasonwlogsdon@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Cell phones and driving I've heard that some phone companies are talking to the states to have cell phones banned while driving. Apparently the companies are being held liable for the accidents that have occured so they are trying to ban them. While this would be an inconvience to business people, it would definetly make the roads a lot safer. Jason From: Corey Raemer Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Cognitive Psychology List Subject: [Psych3120] Cell phones and driving Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:35:11 -0600 In regards to the post on ear piece for the cell phones I recall Dr. Strayer saying that it didn't make a difference on attention if you used an ear piece or not. Although those ear pieces would seem to take away the distraction of having to look away and dial and all that stuff I guess from what Strayer has told us that is not what causes the distraction. The research, which I believe he is doing, shows that it is the act of actually holding a conversation with somebody and trying to drive. Can you all imagine what the road will be like in 2-3 years when people are drivng down the road trading stocks while sending an email from their in dash computer. _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jasonwlogsdon@hotmail.com Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:11:58 MDT Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:11:58 MDT From: Jason Logsdon jasonwlogsdon@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony I agree with the death penalty but I think it should only be used when there is a lot of evidence supporting it. It is too easy to lead eye witnesses through suggestive questions. Our minds are so flexible that if questioned enough, we will start to see the event differently, based on the questions asked. Our memories can also be influenced by tramatic events. In the past, some victims of violent crimes have associated their attacker with who ever their focus was on the time. For example, one woman was convinced that a man running for the government raped her. It turned out that as she was being raped, he was doing a press conference on TV. Her TV was on that station while she was being raped, and she was convinced he raped her. It reasons like this that eye witness testimony should be scrutinized and not taken at face value. There should always be collaborating facts to back it up. Jason From: David Strayer Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:54:57 -0600 Here is a current topic that anticipates an issue that we will be discussing in a couple of weeks. Do you support the death penalty? If so, what evidence would lead you to recommend the death penalty? Texas's death penalty law has become an issue in the presidential campaign. Both Bush, the Republican nominee, and Vice President Al Gore support capital punishment. But Bush, who denies that Texas has executed an innocent person under current law, also says that state law guarantees fair trials for defendants in capital cases and an adequate review by appeals courts and the Board of Pardons and Paroles. James Harrington, the civil rights project's executive director, said the system is focused on "technical compliance" with procedures. The question of guilt or innocence often gets lost, he said. In a recent controversial case, Gary Graham was put to death for a murder during an armed robbery after a conviction based on testimony from a single witness. Critics said that she was steered into her identification of Graham by investigators who showed her a photo array that included Graham's picture shortly before she picked him from a lineup. << ds2144.vcf >> _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From becky@lumintech.com Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:43:20 -0600 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:43:20 -0600 From: Becky Alder becky@lumintech.com Subject: [Psych3120] Cell phones and driving Just a thought then, if they are to ban cell phones because of those reasons, what is the difference then of holding a conversation with a fellow car mate, or having a van full of kids? Where do you draw the line on a banning like that? Just curious? -----Original Message----- From: psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu [mailto:psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu]On Behalf Of Corey Raemer Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 10:35 PM To: Cognitive Psychology List Subject: [Psych3120] Cell phones and driving In regards to the post on ear piece for the cell phones I recall Dr. Strayer saying that it didn't make a difference on attention if you used an ear piece or not. Although those ear pieces would seem to take away the distraction of having to look away and dial and all that stuff I guess from what Strayer has told us that is not what causes the distraction. The research, which I believe he is doing, shows that it is the act of actually holding a conversation with somebody and trying to drive. Can you all imagine what the road will be like in 2-3 years when people are drivng down the road trading stocks while sending an email from their in dash computer. _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 From gleim@uswest.net Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:19:12 -0600 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:19:12 -0600 From: The Gleim's gleim@uswest.net Subject: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony I agree with you Jason that our minds are flexible enough to start to see an event differently. I think it is kind of crazy that to this day the general public views eyewitness testimony as almost infallable. I wonder how much longer it will be used to incriminate people unjustly. It really seems ridiculous that so many studies have disproved the effectiveness of eyewitness testimony, yet it's not only still used, but often revered as the most important evidence in a case. Heather Gleim 00067221 -----Original Message----- From: Jason Logsdon To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Date: Thursday, September 28, 2000 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony >I agree with the death penalty but I think it should only be used when there >is a lot of evidence supporting it. It is too easy to lead eye witnesses >through suggestive questions. Our minds are so flexible that if questioned >enough, we will start to see the event differently, based on the questions >asked. Our memories can also be influenced by tramatic events. In the >past, some victims of violent crimes have associated their attacker with who >ever their focus was on the time. For example, one woman was convinced that >a man running for the government raped her. It turned out that as she was >being raped, he was doing a press conference on TV. Her TV was on that >station while she was being raped, and she was convinced he raped her. It >reasons like this that eye witness testimony should be scrutinized and not >taken at face value. There should always be collaborating facts to back it >up. >Jason > > >From: David Strayer >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony >Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:54:57 -0600 > >Here is a current topic that anticipates an issue that we will be >discussing in a couple of weeks. > >Do you support the death penalty? If so, what evidence would lead you >to recommend the death penalty? > > Texas's death penalty law has become an issue in the presidential >campaign. Both Bush, the Republican > nominee, and Vice President Al Gore support capital punishment. >But Bush, who denies that Texas has > executed an innocent person under current law, also says that >state law guarantees fair trials for defendants in > capital cases and an adequate review by appeals courts and the >Board of Pardons and Paroles. > > James Harrington, the civil rights project's executive director, >said the system is focused on "technical > compliance" with procedures. The question of guilt or innocence >often gets lost, he said. > > In a recent controversial case, Gary Graham was put to death for a >murder during an armed robbery after a > conviction based on testimony from a single witness. Critics said >that she was steered into her identification of > Graham by investigators who showed her a photo array that included >Graham's picture shortly before she > picked him from a lineup. > > ><< ds2144.vcf >> > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From jpix@networld.com Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:06:55 -0600 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:06:55 -0600 From: Jeffrey Pixton jpix@networld.com Subject: [Psych3120] court testimony I just wanted to say that I was recently a witness for the state. The situation that went to court occurred more than a year ago, yet I was called to the stand and asked to testify to certain specific details in the case. Although I was directly involved as a victim, I found it extremely hard to remember these details, given that so much time had gone by. I found myself persuaded by the attorney's "jogging" of my memory and relayed the details as best remembered, but I still think that I could have done a better job if court occurred more closely to the time of the occurance of the situation. I think details tend to fade as time passes. How reliable is that in court, in general? ********************************* Get your free E-Mail and Homepage Go to http://www.networld.com ********************************* From sweetfogs@hotmail.com Thu, 28 Sep 2000 20:42:15 GMT Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 20:42:15 GMT From: Jaimie Cogswell sweetfogs@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] eyewitness testimony I've done a bit of research concerning this topic and of course have read a few articles by Elizabeth Loftus who has done tons of research concerning this issue. These are some of the reasons I found that eyewitness testimony isn't that great. 1. How much attention was the eyewintessing actually using? When they saw the event, crime, etc, what else were they doing? Talking on the cell phone? Driving? REading? Balancing their checkbook? etc 2. How stressful was the event? Was it a simple candy bar being shoplifted or was it a high drama, dangerous, gun-in-the-head event that may affect the eyewitness emotionally? 3. Questioning style by interviewer. Were leading questions used? Did they fill out a questionairre? Were open-ended questions used? These have huge influence on eyewitness answers. Loftus studied this in great detail. 4. How much time delay was there between the initial event and the initial questioning, or how much time delay was there between initial questioning and then re-questioning? Research done by Brewer et al. 1999 (sorry, I can't remember the other authors off the top of my head at the moment) did a study concerning this effect and found that time delay influences the accuracy of memory in eyewitnesses tremendously...someone mentioned that this happened to him on the message board. 5. Personal biases of the eyewitness can influence their perception of the event. Is this person a "drama queen" or does this eyewitness tend to underplay events. My mother has told me that I tend to downplay how sick I am when I'm actually really sick...these factors matter. There are several other minute little details that can influence an eyewitness's perception of the event, recall of the event, accuracy of their memory. It's a huge topic and until we understand it better, it's scary to think that we can execute people on the basis of one eyewitness. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From yellekb@yahoo.com Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:11:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:11:29 -0700 (PDT) From: kelly stucki yellekb@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony My thoughts on the death penalty are that i am for it. Yes I agree that sometimes people are found guilty when in actuality they are innocent. I am taking a criminology class this semester and it has some interesting insights on the death penalty. We watched a film called murder one and one of the inmates on death row was talking about dying as a punishment. He had murdered 6 people and had raped a girl repeatedly and then killed her too. His thoughts were that death did not deter crime. But death penalty to me is not just about detering crime, but also about punishment. If someone does something wrong then they need to be punished. The problem is, is that the american judicial system is not fast enough. Most death penalty inmates are on death row for at leat 12 years. If this kind of punishment is going to work then it needs to be swift and just. Kelly Stucki #00165065 --- Jason Logsdon wrote: > I agree with the death penalty but I think it should > only be used when there > is a lot of evidence supporting it. It is too easy > to lead eye witnesses > through suggestive questions. Our minds are so > flexible that if questioned > enough, we will start to see the event differently, > based on the questions > asked. Our memories can also be influenced by > tramatic events. In the > past, some victims of violent crimes have associated > their attacker with who > ever their focus was on the time. For example, one > woman was convinced that > a man running for the government raped her. It > turned out that as she was > being raped, he was doing a press conference on TV. > Her TV was on that > station while she was being raped, and she was > convinced he raped her. It > reasons like this that eye witness testimony should > be scrutinized and not > taken at face value. There should always be > collaborating facts to back it > up. > Jason > > > From: David Strayer > Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > Subject: [Psych3120] The death penalty and > eyewitness testimony > Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:54:57 -0600 > > Here is a current topic that anticipates an issue > that we will be > discussing in a couple of weeks. > > Do you support the death penalty? If so, what > evidence would lead you > to recommend the death penalty? > > Texas's death penalty law has become an issue > in the presidential > campaign. Both Bush, the Republican > nominee, and Vice President Al Gore support > capital punishment. > But Bush, who denies that Texas has > executed an innocent person under current > law, also says that > state law guarantees fair trials for defendants in > capital cases and an adequate review by > appeals courts and the > Board of Pardons and Paroles. > > James Harrington, the civil rights project's > executive director, > said the system is focused on "technical > compliance" with procedures. The question of > guilt or innocence > often gets lost, he said. > > In a recent controversial case, Gary Graham > was put to death for a > murder during an armed robbery after a > conviction based on testimony from a single > witness. Critics said > that she was steered into her identification of > Graham by investigators who showed her a > photo array that included > Graham's picture shortly before she > picked him from a lineup. > > > << ds2144.vcf >> > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own > public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 ===== STUCKI POWER!!!!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From artemishae@yahoo.com Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:19:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:19:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Kelly Symes artemishae@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony This may sound really shallow and maybe even psychopathical in a way but I am totally for capital punishment. I don't feel I as a taxpayer and law abiding citizen need to help contribute the millions of dollars per person, per year to keep some psycho alive so that he can someday get out of prison and commit crimes again. I don't want to have to be responsible, and co-sponsor their lovely lifelong stay at the state pen either. I think people need to be punished for wrong doing and punished severely. Maybe then we wouldn't be such a crime ridden country. Lets make the country a better place for the "good" guys instead of supporting the "bad" ones. --- David Strayer wrote: > Here is a current topic that anticipates an issue > that we will be > discussing in a couple of weeks. > > Do you support the death penalty? If so, what > evidence would lead you > to recommend the death penalty? > > Texas's death penalty law has become an issue > in the presidential > campaign. Both Bush, the Republican > nominee, and Vice President Al Gore support > capital punishment. > But Bush, who denies that Texas has > executed an innocent person under current law, > also says that > state law guarantees fair trials for defendants in > capital cases and an adequate review by > appeals courts and the > Board of Pardons and Paroles. > > James Harrington, the civil rights project's > executive director, > said the system is focused on "technical > compliance" with procedures. The question of > guilt or innocence > often gets lost, he said. > > In a recent controversial case, Gary Graham > was put to death for a > murder during an armed robbery after a > conviction based on testimony from a single > witness. Critics said > that she was steered into her identification of > Graham by investigators who showed her a photo > array that included > Graham's picture shortly before she > picked him from a lineup. > > > > begin:vcard > n:Strayer;David > tel;fax:(801) 581-5841 > tel;home:(801) 364-0654 > tel;work:(801) 581-5037 > x-mozilla-html:TRUE > adr:;;;;;; > version:2.1 > email;internet:strayer@psych.utah.edu > fn:Dave Strayer > end:vcard > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From kw3217@csbs.utah.edu Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:02:08 -700 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:02:08 -700 From: Kristin Ward kw3217@csbs.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] Future Review Sessions Human Cognition Students: Thank you very much for your feedback involving the review session. I will be happy to cover the multiple choice stuff as much as I can at our next review session. I haven't graded the tests yet, but I hope to get them back to you by Tuesday. When I do, I will also look at which area (the multiple choice or essay section) seemed to be more difficult and that's what I'll try to focus on at the next review. If you have any further suggestions, please feel free to email me at kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu. Thanks! Kristin From M.Burchett@m.cc.utah.edu Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:04:50 -0600 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:04:50 -0600 From: Michele Burchett M.Burchett@m.cc.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony Personally, I am opposed to the death penalty. First of all, it does not deter crime. No criminal commits a crime thinking he or she will be caught. So, any possible punishment for the crime (e.g., the death penalty) is meaningless to them. Second, it does not save money. There are costs associated with keeping them on death row. This can't be cheap. Think of all the extra precautions that must be taken with someone on death row versus a regular, less dangerous criminal. You need higher security, more resources, etc. Not to mention the court costs. Everyone on death row will go through a lengthy appeals process. We typically pay their attorney fees because if you are on death row you are likely to be too poor to pay those fees yourself. Third it is discriminatory. As I said, if you are on death row, you are likely to be poor. You are also likely to be a minority and be male. The same violent offender, if white or wealthy, is less likely to end up on death row. On logical grounds, it doesn't make sense to argue that in order to demonstrate that killing is wrong, we as a society will kill all those who kill. On moral grounds, it is just plain wrong to kill. I can't think of a single religion which doesn't have a prohibition against killing. Even if you aren't a member of a particular religion, you are a member of a society which adheres to this principle. (And, yes, I will concede that there are exceptions--such as war, or self-defense-- to this, but we won't explore them now as this is not an ethics class) Not to mention the fact that most people end up on death row thanks to eye witness testimony. As we discussed, this testimony is likely to be inaccurate, but it is so emotionally compelling that it is taken as the truth. Who knows how many people are on death row thanks to flawed, if not downright incorrect, testimony? How can we justify taking an innocent life? Would we really rather see an innocent person die than a guilty one live? Well, I'm sure you've had enough by now, so I will get off my soap box. But, I will say that until we solve the myriad of problems with the death penalty, we should think long and hard before using it. From listonbr@yahoo.com Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:32:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:32:43 -0700 (PDT) From: s.brandon liston listonbr@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony --0-1597322404-970191163=:15464 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In my research methods class I took the oppertunity to do my RX on project on The accuracy and recall of eyewitness testimony. I learned in almost every article and study that the accuracy dealing with violent crimes depending on the degree and the type of crime, that accuracy as average was no greater than a combined 17% again this varies, and the type of crime that I am reffering to is homicide. There was a lot of influence in most of the testimonies that interigators and police actually influence, by using very subtle sayings, such as now he had a black shirt on right, all this plays into the recall of a witnesses testimony. Since the event was probably bad enough for the person recalling it is not easy either, and often times our own thoughts and desires play a dangerous role in eyewitness testimony. liston 00154324 The Gleim's wrote: I agree with you Jason that our minds are flexible enough to start to see an event differently. I think it is kind of crazy that to this day the general public views eyewitness testimony as almost infallable. I wonder how much longer it will be used to incriminate people unjustly. It really seems ridiculous that so many studies have disproved the effectiveness of eyewitness testimony, yet it's not only still used, but often revered as the most important evidence in a case. Heather Gleim 00067221 -----Original Message----- From: Jason Logsdon To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Date: Thursday, September 28, 2000 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony >I agree with the death penalty but I think it should only be used when there >is a lot of evidence supporting it. It is too easy to lead eye witnesses >through suggestive questions. Our minds are so flexible that if questioned >enough, we will start to see the event differently, based on the questions >asked. Our memories can also be influenced by tramatic events. In the >past, some victims of violent crimes have associated their attacker with who >ever their focus was on the time. For example, one woman was convinced that >a man running for the government raped her. It turned out that as she was >being raped, he was doing a press conference on TV. Her TV was on that >station while she was being raped, and she was convinced he raped her. It >reasons like this that eye witness testimony should be scrutinized and not >taken at face value. There should always be collaborating facts to back it >up. >Jason > > >From: David Strayer >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony >Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:54:57 -0600 > >Here is a current topic that anticipates an issue that we will be >discussing in a couple of weeks. > >Do you support the death penalty? If so, what evidence would lead you >to recommend the death penalty? > > Texas's death penalty law has become an issue in the presidential >campaign. Both Bush, the Republican > nominee, and Vice President Al Gore support capital punishment. >But Bush, who denies that Texas has > executed an innocent person under current law, also says that >state law guarantees fair trials for defendants in > capital cases and an adequate review by appeals courts and the >Board of Pardons and Paroles. > > James Harrington, the civil rights project's executive director, >said the system is focused on "technical > compliance" with procedures. The question of guilt or innocence >often gets lost, he said. > > In a recent controversial case, Gary Graham was put to death for a >murder during an armed robbery after a > conviction based on testimony from a single witness. Critics said >that she was steered into her identification of > Graham by investigators who showed her a photo array that included >Graham's picture shortly before she > picked him from a lineup. > > ><< ds2144.vcf >> > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! --0-1597322404-970191163=:15464 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

In my research methods class I took the oppertunity to do my RX on project on The accuracy and recall of eyewitness testimony. I learned in almost every article and study that the accuracy dealing with violent crimes depending on the degree and the type of crime, that accuracy as average was no greater than a combined 17% again this varies, and the type of crime that I am reffering to is homicide. There was a lot of influence in most of the testimonies that interigators and police actually influence, by using very subtle sayings, such as now he had a black shirt on right, all this plays into the recall of a witnesses testimony. Since the event was probably bad enough for the person recalling it is not easy either, and often times our own thoughts and desires play a dangerous role in eyewitness testimony.

liston 00154324 

 

 


 

  The Gleim's <gleim@uswest.net> wrote:

I agree with you Jason that our minds are flexible enough to start to see
an event differently. I think it is kind of crazy that to this day the
general
public views eyewitness testimony as almost infallable.
I wonder how much longer it will be used to incriminate people
unjustly. It really seems ridiculous that so many studies have
disproved the effectiveness of eyewitness testimony, yet it's not only
still used, but often revered as the most important evidence in a case.

Heather Gleim 00067221


-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Logsdon
To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu
Date: Thursday, September 28, 2000 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony


>I agree with the death penalty but I think it should only be used when
there
>is a lot of evidence supporting it. It is too easy to lead eye witnesses
>through suggestive questions. Our minds are so flexible that if questioned
>enough, we will start to see the event differently, based on the questions
>asked. Our memories can also be influenced by tramatic events. In the
>past, some victims of violent crimes have associated their attacker with
who
>ever their focus was on the time. For example, one woman was convinced
that
>a man running for the government raped her. It turned out that as she was
>being raped, he was doing a press conference on TV. Her TV was on that
>station while she was being raped, and she was convinced he raped her. It
>reasons like this that eye witness testimony should be scrutinized and not
>taken at face value. There should always be collaborating facts to back it
>up.
>Jason
>
>
>From: David Strayer
>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu
>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu
>Subject: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony
>Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:54:57 -0600
>
>Here is a current topic that anticipates an issue that we will be
>discussing in a couple of weeks.
>
>Do you support the death penalty? If so, what evidence would lead you
>to recommend the death penalty?
>
> Texas's death penalty law has become an issue in the presidential
>campaign. Both Bush, the Republican
> nominee, and Vice President Al Gore support capital punishment.
>But Bush, who denies that Texas has
> executed an innocent person under current law, also says that
>state law guarantees fair trials for defendants in
> capital cases and an adequate review by appeals courts and the
>Board of Pardons and Paroles.
>
> James Harrington, the civil rights project's executive director,
>said the system is focused on "technical
> compliance" with procedures. The question of guilt or innocence
>often gets lost, he said.
>
> In a recent controversial case, Gary Graham was put to death for a
>murder during an armed robbery after a
> conviction based on testimony from a single witness. Critics said
>that she was steered into her identification of
> Graham by investigators who showed her a photo array that included
>Graham's picture shortly before she
> picked him from a lineup.
>
>
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>
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Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! --0-1597322404-970191163=:15464-- From lauraebarron@hotmail.com Fri, 29 Sep 2000 09:10:21 MDT Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 09:10:21 MDT From: laura barron lauraebarron@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony i agree with the opinion that the death penalty is a good thing. i think that if a person has proven to be a nuisance to society and if they feel that they have the right to take another life, they deserve capital punishment. i would rather see them be taken out of society than pay for them to live in prison for the rest of their life. From: Kelly Symes Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: Re: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:19:34 -0700 (PDT) This may sound really shallow and maybe even psychopathical in a way but I am totally for capital punishment. I don't feel I as a taxpayer and law abiding citizen need to help contribute the millions of dollars per person, per year to keep some psycho alive so that he can someday get out of prison and commit crimes again. I don't want to have to be responsible, and co-sponsor their lovely lifelong stay at the state pen either. I think people need to be punished for wrong doing and punished severely. Maybe then we wouldn't be such a crime ridden country. Lets make the country a better place for the "good" guys instead of supporting the "bad" ones. --- David Strayer wrote: > Here is a current topic that anticipates an issue > that we will be > discussing in a couple of weeks. > > Do you support the death penalty? If so, what > evidence would lead you > to recommend the death penalty? > > Texas's death penalty law has become an issue > in the presidential > campaign. Both Bush, the Republican > nominee, and Vice President Al Gore support > capital punishment. > But Bush, who denies that Texas has > executed an innocent person under current law, > also says that > state law guarantees fair trials for defendants in > capital cases and an adequate review by > appeals courts and the > Board of Pardons and Paroles. > > James Harrington, the civil rights project's > executive director, > said the system is focused on "technical > compliance" with procedures. The question of > guilt or innocence > often gets lost, he said. > > In a recent controversial case, Gary Graham > was put to death for a > murder during an armed robbery after a > conviction based on testimony from a single > witness. Critics said > that she was steered into her identification of > Graham by investigators who showed her a photo > array that included > Graham's picture shortly before she > picked him from a lineup. > > > > begin:vcard > n:Strayer;David > tel;fax:(801) 581-5841 > tel;home:(801) 364-0654 > tel;work:(801) 581-5037 > x-mozilla-html:TRUE > adr:;;;;;; > version:2.1 > email;internet:strayer@psych.utah.edu > fn:Dave Strayer > end:vcard > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From amark2@uswest.net Fri, 29 Sep 2000 10:15:13 -0600 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 10:15:13 -0600 From: mark archibald amark2@uswest.net Subject: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C029FE.27F259C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am against the death penalty, my position has changed over the years. = I do feel that some murderers deserve to die but it is impossible for = the current system to be equitable to everyone across the board. This = class has shown that even with a good eyewitness mistakes are made, not = to mention race, socioeconomic status, gender. 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Subject: [Psych3120] The death = penalty=20 and eyewitness testimony

Here is a current topic that anticipates an issue that = we will=20 be discussing in a couple of weeks.=20

Do you support the death penalty?  If so, what evidence = would lead=20 you to recommend the death penalty?=20

      Texas's death penalty law has become = an=20 issue in the presidential campaign. Both Bush, the Republican=20
      nominee, and Vice President Al Gore = support=20 capital punishment. But Bush, who denies that Texas has=20
      executed an innocent person under = current=20 law, also says that state law guarantees fair trials for defendants in =
      capital cases and an adequate = review by=20 appeals courts and the Board of Pardons and Paroles.=20

      James Harrington, the civil rights = project's=20 executive director, said the system is focused on "technical=20
      compliance" with procedures. The = question=20 of guilt or innocence often gets lost, he said.=20

      In a recent controversial case, = Gary=20 Graham was put to death for a murder during an armed robbery after = a=20
      conviction based on testimony = from a=20 single witness. Critics said that she was steered into her = identification=20 of
      Graham by investigators = who=20 showed her a photo array that included Graham's picture shortly before = she=20
      picked him from a lineup.=20

------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C029FE.27F259C0-- From Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com Fri, 29 Sep 2000 10:18:23 -0600 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 10:18:23 -0600 From: Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com Subject: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony Answering this question is very difficult. My opinion on the dealth penalty has become ambivalent due to recent knowledge of innocent individuals being executed in the past several years. In most of those instantances, they were based on questionable or cohearsed testimony from eye witnesses, which is really frightening! Bush not recognizing that it occurs in Texas exemplifies his lack of talent in dealing honestly with issues. Texas, by far, has executed more humans than any other state in this country and that number continues to increase. This example (and many others) makes me question his capabilities as President. If he refuses to acknowledge facts, will he respond in similar fashion on serious issues, while being President? Leonard Cancel #00180520 >---------- >From: kelly stucki[SMTP:yellekb@yahoo.com] >Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 5:11 PM >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony > >My thoughts on the death penalty are that i am for it. > Yes I agree that sometimes people are found guilty >when in actuality they are innocent. I am taking a >criminology class this semester and it has some >interesting insights on the death penalty. We watched >a film called murder one and one of the inmates on >death row was talking about dying as a punishment. He >had murdered 6 people and had raped a girl repeatedly >and then killed her too. His thoughts were that death >did not deter crime. But death penalty to me is not >just about detering crime, but also about punishment. >If someone does something wrong then they need to be >punished. The problem is, is that the american >judicial system is not fast enough. Most death >penalty inmates are on death row for at leat 12 years. > If this kind of punishment is going to work then it >needs to be swift and just. >Kelly Stucki >#00165065 >--- Jason Logsdon wrote: >> I agree with the death penalty but I think it should >> only be used when there >> is a lot of evidence supporting it. It is too easy >> to lead eye witnesses >> through suggestive questions. Our minds are so >> flexible that if questioned >> enough, we will start to see the event differently, >> based on the questions >> asked. Our memories can also be influenced by >> tramatic events. In the >> past, some victims of violent crimes have associated >> their attacker with who >> ever their focus was on the time. For example, one >> woman was convinced that >> a man running for the government raped her. It >> turned out that as she was >> being raped, he was doing a press conference on TV. >> Her TV was on that >> station while she was being raped, and she was >> convinced he raped her. It >> reasons like this that eye witness testimony should >> be scrutinized and not >> taken at face value. There should always be >> collaborating facts to back it >> up. >> Jason >> >> >> From: David Strayer >> Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >> To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >> Subject: [Psych3120] The death penalty and >> eyewitness testimony >> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:54:57 -0600 >> >> Here is a current topic that anticipates an issue >> that we will be >> discussing in a couple of weeks. >> >> Do you support the death penalty? If so, what >> evidence would lead you >> to recommend the death penalty? >> >> Texas's death penalty law has become an issue >> in the presidential >> campaign. Both Bush, the Republican >> nominee, and Vice President Al Gore support >> capital punishment. >> But Bush, who denies that Texas has >> executed an innocent person under current >> law, also says that >> state law guarantees fair trials for defendants in >> capital cases and an adequate review by >> appeals courts and the >> Board of Pardons and Paroles. >> >> James Harrington, the civil rights project's >> executive director, >> said the system is focused on "technical >> compliance" with procedures. The question of >> guilt or innocence >> often gets lost, he said. >> >> In a recent controversial case, Gary Graham >> was put to death for a >> murder during an armed robbery after a >> conviction based on testimony from a single >> witness. Critics said >> that she was steered into her identification of >> Graham by investigators who showed her a >> photo array that included >> Graham's picture shortly before she >> picked him from a lineup. >> >> >> << ds2144.vcf >> >> >> >_________________________________________________________________________ >> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >> http://www.hotmail.com. >> >> Share information about yourself, create your own >> public profile at >> http://profiles.msn.com. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Psych3120 mailing list >> Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >> http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > >===== >STUCKI POWER!!!!! > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! >http://photos.yahoo.com/ > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From jsd1022@yahoo.com Fri, 29 Sep 2000 11:48:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 11:48:51 -0700 (PDT) From: J Doonan jsd1022@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony I have had the opportunity in other classes to read several articles by Elizabeth Loftus, who has studied reconstructive memory extensively. I believe based on the information I've learned that the human mind is not always very accurate, especially is someone has been exposed to leading questions. I support the death penalty and I think that there are too many people who have been sitting on death row too long awaiting execution, but I do not believe life or death decisions should solely be based on a person's memory. --- David Strayer wrote: > Here is a current topic that anticipates an issue > that we will be > discussing in a couple of weeks. > > Do you support the death penalty? If so, what > evidence would lead you > to recommend the death penalty? > > Texas's death penalty law has become an issue > in the presidential > campaign. Both Bush, the Republican > nominee, and Vice President Al Gore support > capital punishment. > But Bush, who denies that Texas has > executed an innocent person under current law, > also says that > state law guarantees fair trials for defendants in > capital cases and an adequate review by > appeals courts and the > Board of Pardons and Paroles. > > James Harrington, the civil rights project's > executive director, > said the system is focused on "technical > compliance" with procedures. The question of > guilt or innocence > often gets lost, he said. > > In a recent controversial case, Gary Graham > was put to death for a > murder during an armed robbery after a > conviction based on testimony from a single > witness. Critics said > that she was steered into her identification of > Graham by investigators who showed her a photo > array that included > Graham's picture shortly before she > picked him from a lineup. > > > > begin:vcard > n:Strayer;David > tel;fax:(801) 581-5841 > tel;home:(801) 364-0654 > tel;work:(801) 581-5037 > x-mozilla-html:TRUE > adr:;;;;;; > version:2.1 > email;internet:strayer@psych.utah.edu > fn:Dave Strayer > end:vcard > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From CatherineW123@aol.com Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:47:45 EDT Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:47:45 EDT From: CatherineW123@aol.com CatherineW123@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] multi-tasks From CatherineW123@aol.com Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:49:33 EDT Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:49:33 EDT From: CatherineW123@aol.com CatherineW123@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] multi-tasks Oooppss I just sent a half finished message...sorry. Anyways even if you know the route home from work very well there are always un-predicted things like a child running in the road, a traffic jam or someone slamming on their brakes that you have to respond to. From CatherineW123@aol.com Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:53:37 EDT Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:53:37 EDT From: CatherineW123@aol.com CatherineW123@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony I am totally against the death penalty...so I cannot think of any evidence for it. From jpix@networld.com Fri, 29 Sep 2000 15:51:06 -0600 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 15:51:06 -0600 From: Jeffrey Pixton jpix@networld.com Subject: [Psych3120] death penalty Has anyone ever heard that the death penalty actually influences an increase in crime? In a sociology class I took this spring, the professor said that a study was conducted in California (?) over seven years which examined what happened in society as the result of executions. It turns out that the Saturdays after the executions recorded the highest crime rates all year long. If the death penalty is supposed to be a deterrent of crime, then why does the crime rate increase sharply immediately after an execution? I am a bit off of the subject, but I thought this was an interesting fact. Natalie Janovak ********************************* Get your free E-Mail and Homepage Go to http://www.networld.com ********************************* From CatherineW123@aol.com Fri, 29 Sep 2000 18:01:49 EDT Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 18:01:49 EDT From: CatherineW123@aol.com CatherineW123@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony I don't think that the death penalty is a good form of "punishment" as you suggested. I think it is hypocritical to sentence someone to death because they killed someone else. I think killing is morally wrong for any reason (war, death penalty etc.). It costs just as much money to keep someone in prison for life as to put them to death. By keeping them in prison for life we can make them do community service and labor which helps give something back to the community. Putting them to death does not punish them at all, living in jail with all the horrors of jail is a better punishment I think. From CatherineW123@aol.com Fri, 29 Sep 2000 18:02:57 EDT Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 18:02:57 EDT From: CatherineW123@aol.com CatherineW123@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony Its costs just as much money to put someone to death as it does to keep them in prison for their entire life. From CatherineW123@aol.com Fri, 29 Sep 2000 18:07:00 EDT Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 18:07:00 EDT From: CatherineW123@aol.com CatherineW123@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] death penalty I have heard this in another class also. I do not think that the death penalty is a good deterrent of crime because it does not act swiftly. From Mad4madimac@aol.com Fri, 29 Sep 2000 19:25:11 EDT Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 19:25:11 EDT From: Mad4madimac@aol.com Mad4madimac@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony It is interesting to me to think that someone costs as much to put to death as to keep them alive. Are their statistics to show this or is this just a guess? Prisons are very expensive to keep going. Madison From Mad4madimac@aol.com Fri, 29 Sep 2000 19:27:48 EDT Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 19:27:48 EDT From: Mad4madimac@aol.com Mad4madimac@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony I agree with you Jason. I think there are crimes that should be dealt with in this way. Madison #00155404 From Mad4madimac@aol.com Fri, 29 Sep 2000 19:29:22 EDT Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 19:29:22 EDT From: Mad4madimac@aol.com Mad4madimac@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony I meant to add also that other evidence is very important in these cases. There is so many more powerful tools that they can use today. Madison #00155404 From Mad4madimac@aol.com Fri, 29 Sep 2000 19:32:11 EDT Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 19:32:11 EDT From: Mad4madimac@aol.com Mad4madimac@aol.com Subject: [Psych3120] Cell phones and driving I agree, I get so tired of all the regulations we have forced on use today. The children around the neighborhood where helmets and knee guards for everything, pretty soon we'll have to wear them in our cars. Madison #00155404 From alexispaulos@hotmail.com Fri, 29 Sep 2000 18:21:20 MDT Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 18:21:20 MDT From: Alexis Paulos alexispaulos@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Death Penalty I personally do not agree with the death penalty. It actually costs more money than keeping prisoners in a jail. I also think that eye witness is a horrible way to identify criminals, how accurate can our memories actually be during a traumatic and terrifying event plus adding on the factor of time. I just don't think it can be accurate enough and it is a horrible thing when an innocent person is put in prison. However I do understand how people who have had family or friends murdered, they could desire retaliation. In fact last semester I had a criminology class and we were debating the death penalty issue; a girl in the class sister was murdered by her boy friend and she was explaining how badly she wanted him killed for taking her sisters life. I guess you cant actually know until you are there, meaning that for many people it is more than an economic issue it is a personal issue. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From gtalebreza@shoutmail.com Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:52:17 -0700 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:52:17 -0700 From: Gloria Talebreza gtalebreza@shoutmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Death penalty It is interesting how inmates on death row in our country often claim that death as a punishment does not deter crime. Someone commented that the reason for this is the slow process of carrying out the punishment. In other countries, for example, the punishment follows immediately after the verdict, and the method they use to put the criminal to death can be just a grusome as the crime committed. Not to mention that many times it is done in public arenas. This has been shown to have an effect on crime rate. Just a thought, do we give to many "rights" to criminals? ______________________________________________________________________ Shoutmail.com - Send a voice email, go to http://shoutmail.com/instant From garffdog@hotmail.com Fri, 29 Sep 2000 20:15:48 MDT Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 20:15:48 MDT From: matt garff garffdog@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] death penalty The Death Penalty may not deter crime in others, but to the guy in the chair, it IS a deterrent MATT GARFF 00144838 >From: "Jeffrey Pixton" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] death penalty >Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 15:51:06 -0600 > >Has anyone ever heard that the death penalty actually influences an >increase in crime? In a sociology class I took this spring, the >professor said that a study was conducted in California (?) over seven >years which examined what happened in society as the result of >executions. It turns out that the Saturdays after the executions >recorded the highest crime rates all year long. If the death penalty >is supposed to be a deterrent of crime, then why does the crime rate >increase sharply immediately after an execution? I am a bit off of the >subject, but I thought this was an interesting fact. >Natalie Janovak > > > > >********************************* >Get your free E-Mail and Homepage >Go to http://www.networld.com >********************************* > > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jonnyutah@mindspring.com Fri, 29 Sep 2000 21:37:23 -0600 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 21:37:23 -0600 From: Jon Lindberg jonnyutah@mindspring.com Subject: [Psych3120] Court Testimony I, too was called as a witness to testify in a trial where I witnessed three individuals breaking into cars in my complex parking lot stealing stereo systems and CD's. Now, this occurred in the late evening, and I could only make out three figures breaking into my car. Although they were convicted, the defense attorney asked me straight out "Are these the the individuals that you saw breaking into your car?" and I answered that I couldn't make out facial features due to the darkness. He asked me the same question once again and I could only answer yes or no and not provide specifics. I had to answer no because I couldn't actually SEE them, only the three silhouettes. Thank heavens they had twenty stereos and roughly four hundred CD's in their car, or else my testimony would have caused these guys to walk. Also, in the time that it took for the case to go to trial, one of them had lost weight, the other grew out his hair, and the other shaved his head, thereby throwing off any details that may have been remembered by any witnesses called to the stand. Jeffrey Pixton wrote: > I just wanted to say that I was recently a witness for the state. The > situation that went to court occurred more than a year ago, yet I was > called to the stand and asked to testify to certain specific details in > the case. Although I was directly involved as a victim, I found it > extremely hard to remember these details, given that so much time had > gone by. I found myself persuaded by the attorney's "jogging" of my > memory and relayed the details as best remembered, but I still think > that I could have done a better job if court occurred more closely to > the time of the occurance of the situation. I think details tend to > fade as time passes. How reliable is that in court, in general? > > ********************************* > Get your free E-Mail and Homepage > Go to http://www.networld.com > ********************************* > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 From garffdog@hotmail.com Fri, 29 Sep 2000 22:52:44 MDT Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 22:52:44 MDT From: matt garff garffdog@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] new study guide I found some of the response to question 4 in the text book beginning on page 104. Brown and Peterson would have subjects try and remember a 3 letter stimulus, then had the subjects count backwords by threes, starting with a certain #. The longer the person counted the less accuracy he had in remembering the 3 letter stimulus. Brown and Peterson concluded that because the distractor exercise was so different than the stimulus(letters vs #s) that it would interfere very little. He concluded that the longer a stimulus stayed in the Short Term memory the more it was forgotten due to decay. Waugh and Norman would have participants listen to a list of 16 digits at various intervals. At the end the subjects would hear a repeat of a previous # which was a cue to list the # that followed it in the original sequence. They found little or no difference between the subjects that heard the list quickly(less time in short term memory) and the ones that heard the list at a slower rate(more time in the short term memory. From this they concluded that it was not the time a stimulus remained in the Short-Term Memory that caused it to be forgotten, it was a function of the number of intervening items competing in the memory system. Or to quote the book "forgeting from short term memory was cused by interference, not simple decay"(105). MATT GARFF 00144838 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From garffdog@hotmail.com Fri, 29 Sep 2000 22:56:04 MDT Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 22:56:04 MDT From: matt garff garffdog@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] question 5 on the study guide I found information about serial position effects(referring to question 5 on the new study guide) on page 109 of the text. As of yet, I don't understand it well enough to make an interpretation, but I thought I'd give y'all a heads up. MATT GARFF 00144838 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From gleim@uswest.net Fri, 29 Sep 2000 22:53:11 -0600 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 22:53:11 -0600 From: The Gleim's gleim@uswest.net Subject: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony I agree with you that it's hypocrytical to sentence someone to death for killing someone else. That logic is like a parent spanking their child and yelling at them to be nice. It just doesn't work to preach against something and then do it yourself. In regard to eyewitness testimony, this vicious cycle could go out of control as people tend to percieve the "bad guys" as a certain stereotype. We could be inadvertantly sentencing innocent individuals because we expect them to have done something wrong. Not to spark a sociological debate but.... I think we are more likely to "remember" seeing, for example, a minority in a criminal act than a member of the majority. Heather Gleim 00067221 -----Original Message----- From: CatherineW123@aol.com To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Date: Friday, September 29, 2000 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony >I don't think that the death penalty is a good form of "punishment" as you >suggested. I think it is hypocritical to sentence someone to death because >they killed someone else. I think killing is morally wrong for any reason >(war, death penalty etc.). It costs just as much money to keep someone in >prison for life as to put them to death. By keeping them in prison for life >we can make them do community service and labor which helps give something >back to the community. Putting them to death does not punish them at all, >living in jail with all the horrors of jail is a better punishment I think. > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From cstorms29@hotmail.com Sat, 30 Sep 2000 11:05:57 GMT Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 11:05:57 GMT From: CAROLYN STORMS cstorms29@hotmail.com Subject: [Psych3120] Reading Articles I would just like to say that I found the readings for next week upsetting, to say the least. I hope I never have to do radiation therapy, and I've always been very much against nuclear power plants. Now I have graphic information to back up why. Any other thoughts on those articles? Carolyn Storms 00040181 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From brockbeattie@yahoo.com Sat, 30 Sep 2000 07:47:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 07:47:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Brock Beattie brockbeattie@yahoo.com Subject: [Psych3120] Cell Phones and ksl On Thursday I was driving home from class and on the radio they were talking about cell phones and the possible laws restricting its use while driving. There are a lot of people really passionate about the use of cell phones. It seemed the overall consensus was that it would be alright to have a law requesting the use of the hands off phone. Most people believe that this will help but from what has been said in class this is really not the answer. It seems we are not the only ones interested in this topic. It will interesting to see what happens this next legislative session. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Fri Sep 1 02:46:42 2000 From: kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu (Kristin Ward) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 18:46:42 -700 Subject: [Psych3120] Do you See What I see? Message-ID: <200009010046.SAA07535@meretrix.csbs.utah.edu> Definitely an interesting question! In some ways, the idea that your personality influences your perceptions is simlar to the concept of top-down processing. Today Dr. Strayer pointed out in class that you are more likely to see the young woman than the old lady in one of the ambiguous figures he presented if you have been discussing something related to young women or young people in general before you view the picture. Since your personality will affect the general trend of your thoughts, it is possible that your personality, like your knowledge, will affect the way you perceive the world. > I think it's an interesting topic that you bring up, "looking through > someone else's eyes." I just wanted to add a little something to what you > said..... besides having sight in another persons or pair of eyes, I think > that not only the eyes change (meaning their capabilities such as > farsighted, nearsighted, flaws and so on...) but I also think that the > person controlling the "power" of the eyes brings distinction and > personality to the eye sight. For instance, when some of us meet a new > person in life one person may focus on the face of the person while another > person may just focus on the lips, or the eyes, forehead and so on. So I > guess what I am trying to say is that our eyes are also an extension of our > personalities. Do you agree? > > Erica > > > >From: Derrel and Magen Grappendorf > >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >To: > >Subject: [Psych3120] Do you See What I see? > >Date: Wed, 30 Aug 00 21:50:36 -0600 > > > >Have you ever wondered what it would be like looking through someone > >elses eyes? Would you see people and objects the same way as you see > >them with your own eyes? Maybe I am wrong, but I think things would look > >different, not totally different. Each of our eyes have unique flaws and > >qualities; some things may appear darker or lighter, or even clear or > >blury. I think things would look different also because of our > >perceptions. For example, we don't always pay attention to all the > >details as we observe someone's face. We can percieve what they look > >like, but if we were to look through someone elses eyes, we might see the > >same person in a different way. Does that make sense? > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Psych3120 mailing list > >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Fri Sep 1 03:04:06 2000 From: kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu (Kristin Ward) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 19:04:06 -700 Subject: [Psych3120] Psych3120 Message-ID: <200009010104.TAA07549@meretrix.csbs.utah.edu> From the information I have found so far, most of the research on MS is being done by physicians. However, perceptual problems of any kind are frequently studied by cognitive psychologists. For more information on Multiple Sclerosis and it's effects on vision, you may want to look at the National Multiple Sclerosis Society Webpage (http://www.nmss.org). Kristin I have a question about depth perception and multiple sclerosis. I watched a > movie the other day and in it they said one of the symptoms of multiple > sclerosis was loosing depth perception and having accidents (bumping into > things, falling downstairs, etc.) because of this. How does multiple > sclerosis affect depth perception and is this something that cognitive > psychologists study? > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Fri Sep 1 03:06:53 2000 From: kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu (Kristin Ward) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 19:06:53 -700 Subject: [Psych3120] eyes Message-ID: <200009010106.TAA07555@meretrix.csbs.utah.edu> We'll actually be talking about LASIK surgery later this semester. For more information about it, look on the Class Materials section of the class website. There is an article there titled Information about LASIK surgery that you might find helpful. > > > >From: Mad4madimac@aol.com > >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] eyes > >Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:11:36 EDT > > > >My husband had the surgery about 2 years ago and he saw with 20/25 vision > >the > >next day and has been very happy since. Over the next week it got even > >better. He was extremely blind since 3rd grade. He had 20/400 vision > >before > >the surgery, plus a significant astigmatism. What they explained before > >the > >surgery was that they take a thin layer of the cornea, peel back the flap > >and > >reshape the eye underneath, then replace the flap back onto the eye. It > >takes about 5 minutes. It was amazing. > > > >Also, did you try the test that was in the readings? It has you cover one > >eye while staring at an x as you move closer to the page the dot next to > >the > >x disappears, it was strange to find a blind spot in my vision. > > > > Madison #00155404 > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Psych3120 mailing list > >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > > > In refernce to the eye surguries and what exactly they do, I know that the > type of the surgery uusually dignifies what the problem of the eye is. My > friends sister just recently had corrective eye surgery and was very pleased > with the results. Some procedures only allow for you to have one eye done at > a time but the procedure she had done, they were able to do both eyes the > same day. In her procudre she was awake the whole time and they actually > took her eyeball out of socket to work on it. I believe they used some type > of vaccum that actually lifts it out of scoket. She felt no pain except for > a little pressure. I'm thinking about getting it down because I am > nearsighted and my vision in just getting worse. I saw on TV that there are > also procedures that they actaully implant a permant contact underneath the > lens. I believe that the shape of the eye does not allow you to have some of > these procedures so implanting a permanent contact might be a nice > alternative for those who have different shaped eyes. Has anyone heard about > the implanting of a permanet contact lens as a corrective surgery? > > Jessica-jbabygirlr@hotmail.com > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From tarahdavis@yahoo.com Fri Sep 1 02:15:12 2000 From: tarahdavis@yahoo.com (Tarah davis) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 18:15:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] motion parallax Message-ID: <20000901011512.18546.qmail@web1002.mail.yahoo.com> okay, so here is my deep thought (maybe to some)...... motion parallax was defined as the following: as you move, ojects at different distances move in different directions and at different speeds. Dr. Strayer gave the example that when you are riding in a car objects close to you seem to be moving in the opposite direction and objects farther away seem to be moving in the same direction (I hope I got that right). Anyway, so if you are sitting on a subway car facing backwards (you know, like on one of the seats that face opposite of everyone else) does this motion cue still apply? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dgrappe@bitcorp.net Fri Sep 1 02:15:54 2000 From: dgrappe@bitcorp.net (Derrel and Magen Grappendorf) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 00 19:15:54 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] glaucoma Message-ID: <200009010109.TAA22062@bitcorp.net> My mom has glaucoma. She had it for several years before the doctors discovered it. Not only do they blow air into your eyes (the old way of testing), they alos touch your eye with a sort of pressure gauge. People with glaucoma, have a gradual loss of vision, especially preferal vision. It's like they their eyes gradually go into a tunnel vision. From tarahdavis@yahoo.com Fri Sep 1 02:14:25 2000 From: tarahdavis@yahoo.com (Tarah davis) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 18:14:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Migraine Message-ID: <20000901011425.10947.qmail@web1004.mail.yahoo.com> okay, one other thought.... I get migraine headaches that begin with loss of vision. It is like someone flashed a camera in my eyes a few times. Does anyone know why this happens? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Fri Sep 1 03:21:11 2000 From: kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu (Kristin Ward) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 19:21:11 -700 Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: <200009010121.TAA07574@meretrix.csbs.utah.edu> We'll actually be looking at Color Vision (and color blindness along with it) later in the semester. The color vision section in the online readings discusses color deficiencies. To sum it up, here's the 30-second version of color deficiencies: Color blindness is more usually a color deficiency; that is, the individual can still perceive some color, but has trouble with a particular wavelength of color. People who have the most common type of color blindness (anomolous trichromats) possess the usual three types of cones (red, green, and blue), but one set of these has an abnormal absorption spectrum. If one set of cones has an abnormal absorption spectrum, the system will still function, but the individual will have difficulty perceiving colors normally handled by that set of cones (for example, a person who's red cones had an abnormal absorption spectrum would have difficulties perceiving red) Other, less common, types of colorblindness occur when one of the types of cones is missing altogether. The individual will still have the normal number of cones, but they will only have one or two of the types of cones. A dichromat has two of the cone types and a monochromat has only one. (For example, a dichromat might possess only green and blue cones and be missing red cones and a monochromat might have only green cones and be missing blue and red). Kristin > I have taken a few classes that have discussed color blindness so I will try > to offer what I know. > > In the eye there are the cones and rods. The cones are what is responsible > for color vision. Furthermore, there are three types of cones each with a > different pigment. These pigments allow different cones to respond to > different wavelengths of light. For example, there is a red, green and I > think a blue pigment. These pigments either excite or inhibit the ganglion > nerves and allow us to see the spectrum of colors. Now when there is a > genetic defect in the pigments it can result in color blindness. Therefore, > Your dad probably has a defect in the gene that encodes for the red pigment > that would allow him to see the color, but not defective with respect to the > blue pigment which is involved with seeing yellow. Thus, people who are > color blind most deffinitly have cones within the fovea, however, some of > them are defective due to their faulty pigments. With respect to color > blindness coming from the mothers side, The gene for color blindness is > probably an X linked gene which would make it more prevelent in males. I am > not sure if it is exclusive to males though. I think that because males > only have one X chromosome that it probably is just much more frequent in > males than in females. > > > > On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:58:38 -0600 (MDT), psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > wrote: > > > My dad is colorblind. He can see yellow but not red, which makes it > > difficult at traffic stoplights. In the lecture on Tuesday, we discussed > > the opponent process and the color circle. I was wondering, if people > > with color vision get the color circle, what do people who are colorblind > > have and why are they able to see some colors but not others? I was also > > wondering, do people who are colorblind have any cones in the fovea? I > > heard that colorblindness is due to heredity from the mother and that > only > > males get it. Is this true? > > Amy Cahoon 00077943 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Psych3120 mailing list > > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Say Bye to Slow Internet! > http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Fri Sep 1 03:50:04 2000 From: kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu (Kristin Ward) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 19:50:04 -700 Subject: [Psych3120] The man and the hat (visual agnosia) Message-ID: <200009010150.TAA07602@meretrix.csbs.utah.edu> Here's a little bit about visual agnosia for those who haven't yet had Brain and Behavior. Agnosia is a failure of recognition that is not attributable to sensory, verbal or intellectual impairment. This impairment is usually limited to one sensory system. In visual agnosia is agnosia for visual stimuli. Basically, a visual agnosic will see the visual stimuli but fail to recognize it. For example, a patient might see a chair and be able to navigate around it, etc. but wouldn't be able to tell that it is a chair. This impairment can even be limited to a specific visual system. For example, movement agnosia is the inability to recognize movement and color agnosia is the inability to recognize color. Visual agnosia results from damage to the secondary visual cortex. The specific area of damage determines which particular aspect of visual input is impaired. For more information see "Brain and Behavior" Chaoter 8, by Pinel. Kristin That story of "the man which mistook his wife for a hat" is good > reading. If I recall from my Brain and Behavior class (psych 3711, > highly suggested to all interested in this type of stuff) It is usually > due to damage in secondary visual cortex regions of the brain. I think > it is called visual agnosia or something like that. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From listonbr@yahoo.com Fri Sep 1 03:37:57 2000 From: listonbr@yahoo.com (s.brandon liston) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 19:37:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] eyes Message-ID: <20000901023757.26432.qmail@web218.mail.yahoo.com> INFRA-RED, I know this is a past topic but I thought it would be interesting to share and also receive feedback on. Recently I had the oppertunity to experience an altitude chamber through the Air Force. What we did was enter a pressurized silo where they train pilots so that they can measure succeptibility to such things as the bends. Although the most fascinating thing that we experienced was, when we were told to stare at a specific point on a map, they then turned out the lights and the area we were staring at began to glow in a bright red, we were able to see that as clear as when the lights where on. I know this had to do a little with the oxygen bubbles in our bodies, but I am curious as to how we were able to see in an IFRA-RED setting. 00154324 Liston __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From CatherineW123@aol.com Fri Sep 1 04:07:31 2000 From: CatherineW123@aol.com (CatherineW123@aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:07:31 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] eyes Message-ID: <12.1c3320d.26e07773@aol.com> I heard on the radio that they now even have laser eye surgery places in malls. How amazing! My cousin and uncle both had it done and said the surgery worked great. From CatherineW123@aol.com Fri Sep 1 04:10:38 2000 From: CatherineW123@aol.com (CatherineW123@aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:10:38 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] eyes Message-ID: While reading everyone's postings about the corrective eye laser surgery I was wondering if people still believe it is bad for you to read in the dark. Does this really damage your eye sight? From CatherineW123@aol.com Fri Sep 1 04:12:38 2000 From: CatherineW123@aol.com (CatherineW123@aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:12:38 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: <47.4efc87.26e078a6@aol.com> I thought that females could also be colorblind, but were less likely. I could be wrong though. From CatherineW123@aol.com Fri Sep 1 04:15:17 2000 From: CatherineW123@aol.com (CatherineW123@aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:15:17 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] eyes Message-ID: Do insurance companies cover glasses and contacts? If they do you think doing a one time surgery would be less expensive than paying for new glasses and contacts many times. From hansen86@freeport.com Fri Sep 1 04:34:45 2000 From: hansen86@freeport.com (Kyle Hansen) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 03:34:45 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] work tests Message-ID: <200009010331.VAA18948@jafo.csbs.utah.edu> I have been reading many of the messages posted about color blindness why people have it, why males have it more often than females, and my question concerning colorblindness is: Why is it important for employers to have there new hires take color blindness tests? I can understand it maybe if the person applying for the job is completely colorblind, in that they only see black and white. But why does it matter if you can determine between a dark navy blue and a black. Is that really going to affect your job performance that much? Anyone with answers to this question I would really appreciate it. From garffdog@hotmail.com Fri Sep 1 04:36:03 2000 From: garffdog@hotmail.com (matt garff) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:36:03 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] eyes Message-ID: That surgery costs about $2000 per eye, and insurance companies will gernerally look at the one time cost, because the less they pay out at once, the more time they have to collect from everyone else. It's not right, but it's how they make money. Glasses are about 10-15% of the single eye charge, and I don't know, but I don't think many people have to replace their glasses enough to equal $4000 dollars. MATT GARFF 00144838 >From: CatherineW123@aol.com >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] eyes >Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:15:17 EDT > >Do insurance companies cover glasses and contacts? If they do you think >doing >a one time surgery would be less expensive than paying for new glasses and >contacts many times. > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jonnyutah@mindspring.com Fri Sep 1 06:24:16 2000 From: jonnyutah@mindspring.com (Jon Lindberg) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:24:16 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Child w/disability References: Message-ID: <39AF3D80.4370297E@mindspring.com> Hi everyone! I currently work with a young man who has a very rare syndrome known as Lowe's syndrome. A component of this syndrome is the development of scar tissue (type of cataract, i think...) across the individuals eyes. To correct this problem, this little boy recently underwent a procedure known as "keyhole" surgery, where the doctor cuts small slats in the scar tissue on his cornea to allow light to pass through the pupil. The results were astonishing! Before the surgery, he could see enough to walk and manipulate his environment, but now, WOW! He is now able to discern soap bubbles that we blow at about eight feet away and can now see objects in his path that may trip him up. The downside to this surgery is that it needs to be performed every few years, as the scar tissue grows over the keyhole sites on his cornea. All in all, its pretty cool, eh? From kimcrocheron@mail.com Fri Sep 1 06:52:36 2000 From: kimcrocheron@mail.com (Kim Crocheron) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 01:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: <383328651.967787556475.JavaMail.root@web193-iw> My insurance covers any type of eye exam, glasses, contacts, or even cleaning solution up to $250. every two years. I think it just depends on the insurance. I know that this is less expensive for me than covering the remaining amount for eye surgery. ........................................................ iWon.com http://www.iwon.com why wouldn't you? ........................................................ From Ryanjg76@cs.com Fri Sep 1 15:50:04 2000 From: Ryanjg76@cs.com (Ryanjg76@cs.com) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:50:04 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] motion parallax Message-ID: <7f.925d9dc.26e11c1c@cs.com> You asked the question that if one faces the opposite direction on a subway (that is backwards) from everyone else, would the movement parallax still apply? I think it would not apply to those who face backwards. The closer an object is in this instance (backwards) the direction of objects would go in the same direction as the person facing backwards, because he/she is already facing the direction that the close objects would be moving. So if you looked out the window of the subway objects would pass by. When the objects begin to move farther away they will look as if they are getting farther. The difference lies in the fact that if you face backwards you are not tricking your perception, the objects are moving farther away. Those who are facing forwards have a different angle, different perception, and the objects are not moving farther away in reality. That is why the objects appear as if they are moving farther away to those facing forwards. Of course, I may be wrong, does anyone else have an opinion? From jameshaymond@hotmail.com Fri Sep 1 17:40:15 2000 From: jameshaymond@hotmail.com (james haymond) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 12:40:15 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: During the last lecture we learned that the brain will fire specific neurons according to the image projected on the retina. I found the example of Margaret Thather very interesting. I have done some drawing before and as an artist it is often necessary to break down each line and shape disregarding the image as a whole in order to replicate the image accuratly. I however didn't notice that the mouth and eyes were upside-down, until the image was shown to us right side up. The example was effective. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu Fri Sep 1 18:25:40 2000 From: Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu (Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:25:40 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Psych3120] motion parallax Message-ID: <20000901172540.CBA3D52929@dorothy.ks.cc.utah.edu> I have a comment about motion parallax. A few weeks ago my friend and I were driving to the Mendocino Woodlands in California. We took a less than agreeable route near the end of our journey--the road wasn't paved and the switch-backs were so bad that we could only go about 20 mph. I was on the passenger side and wasn't really paying much attention to what I was looking at as my friend and I were having a great conversation. After a half an hour I was so queezy that we had to stop the car. I got out and was very dizzy and proceeded to do what you would think I would do--I won't go into details. When I felt better, we started again, but I got sick a second time. My friend finally told me to look at the furthest object I could find and just focus on it. I did that the rest of the way to our destination and , walla! no more sickness! Thursday in class Dr. Strayer mentioned that there was a place on the class website that we could make our own random dot stereograms. I can't seem to find it. Does anyone know where it is? I've done a search on the internet and a bizillion entries come up for random dot stereograms so I'd like to be able to narrow it down some. Thanks! From jbabygirlr@hotmail.com Fri Sep 1 18:44:04 2000 From: jbabygirlr@hotmail.com (jessica rembowski) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 11:44:04 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] work tests Message-ID: >From: Kyle Hansen >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] work tests >Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 03:34:45 GMT > >I have been reading many of the messages posted about color >blindness why people have it, why males have it more often >than females, and my question concerning colorblindness is: >Why is it important for employers to have there new hires >take color blindness tests? I can understand it maybe if >the person applying for the job is completely colorblind, >in that they only see black and white. But why does it >matter if you can determine between a dark navy blue and a >black. Is that really going to affect your job performance >that much? Anyone with answers to this question I would >really appreciate it. > >In reference to you question, I agree with why must an employeer make >someone take these tests? My brother is colorblind and the only problem >that he has is sometimes his matching skills, like picking out something to >wear. He was interest in becoming a pilot in the airforce and was told that >the pilots must have perfect vision and no colorblindness. I understand it >in the case of being a pilot but why must an employeer know if one is >colorblind or not if its a trivial job? -Jessica >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Smth995@cs.com Fri Sep 1 18:46:04 2000 From: Smth995@cs.com (Smth995@cs.com) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:46:04 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] eyes Message-ID: I was under the impression that the saying that reading in the dark is bad for your eyes is just an old wives tale. It's like taking a picture in low light. The picture doesn't come out very good, but it doesn't hurt the camera. I've noticed that my eyes do get 'tired' when when I'm reading at night though. From Smth995@cs.com Fri Sep 1 18:51:14 2000 From: Smth995@cs.com (Smth995@cs.com) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:51:14 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: <18.1c38b7f.26e14692@cs.com> I always thought that the reason people said animals see in black and white was because animals just have rods (not cones) in their eyes. I'm not sure if that's true though. I'm assuming that's only true for certain animals. From M.Burchett@m.cc.utah.edu Fri Sep 1 19:22:51 2000 From: M.Burchett@m.cc.utah.edu (M.Burchett@m.cc.utah.edu) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 12:22:51 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Psych3120] motion parallax In-Reply-To: <7f.925d9dc.26e11c1c@cs.com> References: <7f.925d9dc.26e11c1c@cs.com> Message-ID: <20000901182251.15CEE5323B@dorothy.ks.cc.utah.edu> I guess I was a little unclear on the nature of the question (regarding the applicability of the motion parallax to an individual facing backward on a subway), but it would still seem to apply to such an individual if that individual looks perpendicular to their direction of travel (i.e., out the window to either side). If he or she is facing out the back window the motion parallax probably would not apply, just as it doesn't apply to the person who only faces forward in a forward moving vehicle. Everything would appear to be moving in the same direction at the same speed when you look in the same (or opposite) direction of travel. The motion parallax only becomes evident when you look to either side. As for which direction these objects would appear to move (the original question), I think their perceived motion would be reversed. The things that would appear to move forward when you face forward would appear to move backward when you face backward. The direction would still be the same, just the label you give to it would be differnt. Does that make sense? Any other ideas? Quoting Ryanjg76@cs. > You asked the question that if one faces the opposite direction on a subway > > (that is backwards) from everyone else, would the movement parallax still > apply? I think it would not apply to those who face backwards. The > closer > an object is in this instance (backwards) the direction of objects would go > > in the same direction as the person facing backwards, because he/she is > already facing the direction that the close objects would be moving. So if > > you looked out the window of the subway objects would pass by. When the > objects begin to move farther away they will look as if they are getting > farther. The difference lies in the fact that if you face backwards you > are > not tricking your perception, the objects are moving farther away. Those > who > are facing forwards have a different angle, different perception, and the > objects are not moving farther away in reality. That is why the objects > appear as if they are moving farther away to those facing forwards. Of > course, I may be wrong, does anyone else have an opinion? > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From M.Burchett@m.cc.utah.edu Fri Sep 1 20:02:49 2000 From: M.Burchett@m.cc.utah.edu (M.Burchett@m.cc.utah.edu) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:02:49 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Psych3120] motion parallax, note to Marsha In-Reply-To: <20000901172540.CBA3D52929@dorothy.ks.cc.utah.edu> References: <20000901172540.CBA3D52929@dorothy.ks.cc.utah.edu> Message-ID: <20000901190249.28391533E1@dorothy.ks.cc.utah.edu> Hey Marsha (and anyone else who is interested), This is in response to your question about how to find the stereogram information. All you have to do is Go to the class website (www.psych.utah.edu/psych3120) Click on "Class Materials" Click on "Build Your Own Random Dot Stereogram" There are several stereogram entries under the class materials, but this seems to be the one you are looking for. I didn't personally explore it. It popped up some prompt that asked me to log in. If you decide to explore it, let me know how it works for you. Good luck and I hope this helps. Quoting Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu: > > I have a comment about motion parallax. A few weeks ago > my friend and I were driving to the Mendocino Woodlands > in California. We took a less than agreeable route near > the end of our journey--the road wasn't paved and the > switch-backs were so bad that we could only go about 20 > mph. I was on the passenger side and wasn't really > paying much attention to what I was looking at as my > friend and I were having a great conversation. After a > half an hour I was so queezy that we had to stop the > car. I got out and was very dizzy and proceeded to do > what you would think I would do--I won't go into > details. When I felt better, we started again, but I > got sick a second time. My friend finally told me to > look at the furthest object I could find and just focus > on it. I did that the rest of the way to our > destination and , walla! no more sickness! > > Thursday in class Dr. Strayer mentioned that there was a > place on the class website that we could make our own > random dot stereograms. I can't seem to find it. Does > anyone know where it is? I've done a search on the > internet and a bizillion entries come up for random dot > stereograms so I'd like to be able to narrow it down > some. Thanks! > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From jefbruwid@excite.com Fri Sep 1 20:33:17 2000 From: jefbruwid@excite.com (Jeff Widdison) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 12:33:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Margarat Thatcher Message-ID: <16878532.967836797210.JavaMail.imail@prickles> I found very interesting the part of the lecture with the two pictures of Ms. Thatcher (one with the eyes and lips reversed, and the other not. I once took a beginning drawing course and our professor had us actual turn a picture of an object upside down, and draw the picture at this position. When we were done drawing, he had us flip the picture over and almost everyone in the class had drawn better than they had of any picture they had ever drawn. That amazed me at that time. I now realize why it was easier to draw upside down. Instead of trying to rely on what we "thought" was how an object should be drawn, we were not able to recognize what part of the picture we were drawing and we drew just what we saw. If we had drawn it right side up, we wouldn't have paid as close attention to the object at hand as much as what we thought was how it should be. I do believe thought that if we began to view the world from an upside down view, we would soon familiar ourselves with it and we would be able to distinguish photos, objects, etc from an upside down angle. But I don't want to be the subject in an experiment like that, I think I would constantly have a runny nose. _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From wilson624@hotmail.com Fri Sep 1 20:54:10 2000 From: wilson624@hotmail.com (alanna wilson) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 13:54:10 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] attention Message-ID: Attention is the mental process of concentrating effort on a stimulus or a mental event. Specifically selective attention is used to filter out surrounding distractions and focusing on the one important thing we've chosen. I personally have a weakness when it comes to selective attention. I seem to only pay attention to those things that I have a high interest in. I tend to choose what is more interesting at the time or what I'm in the mood for and that is what I listen to. When you are exercising selective attention are you still hearing what is being said or completely ignoring it? Is you subconcious taking over? Do we really have the control over what we listen to or don't listen to? In my opinion, everyone, to one degree or another exercises selective attention (particularly at school) :) If we don't think something will benefit us at a specific time then we don't listen. Do you think this is by our own free choice or is our mind taking over? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From mattdhubby@hotmail.com Fri Sep 1 21:09:35 2000 From: mattdhubby@hotmail.com (matt wilson) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 14:09:35 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] laws of grouping Message-ID: If you really think about it, you've probably known about Gesalt's laws of grouping your entire life. They are just so basic that you've probably never taken the time to analize why things appear to you the way they do. For exaple, do remember playing hide and go seek when you were younger? I remember being very proud of myself because I discovered that I could hide in a fairly obvious place without being seen. How did I do this? By simply not moving. I found out that movement of an object is much more attractive to the eye than the object itself. And why is this? I guess that's why we're in this class. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Jlkirkley26@aol.com Fri Sep 1 23:09:16 2000 From: Jlkirkley26@aol.com (Jlkirkley26@aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 18:09:16 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: <60.68d619a.26e1830c@aol.com> While on the subject of photoreceptors, can noctornal animals see in complete darkness? From artemishae@yahoo.com Fri Sep 1 23:31:23 2000 From: artemishae@yahoo.com (Kelly Symes) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:31:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Child w/disability Message-ID: <20000901223123.6486.qmail@web4205.mail.yahoo.com> Do you know how his vision looked to him prior to this surgery? and how was the man diagnosed? --- Jon Lindberg wrote: > Hi everyone! > > I currently work with a young man who has a very > rare syndrome known as Lowe's > syndrome. A component of this syndrome is the > development of scar tissue (type > of cataract, i think...) across the individuals > eyes. To correct this problem, > this little boy recently underwent a procedure known > as "keyhole" surgery, where > the doctor cuts small slats in the scar tissue on > his cornea to allow light to > pass through the pupil. The results were > astonishing! Before the surgery, he > could see enough to walk and manipulate his > environment, but now, WOW! He is > now able to discern soap bubbles that we blow at > about eight feet away and can > now see objects in his path that may trip him up. > The downside to this surgery > is that it needs to be performed every few years, as > the scar tissue grows over > the keyhole sites on his cornea. All in all, its > pretty cool, eh? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From artemishae@yahoo.com Fri Sep 1 23:47:10 2000 From: artemishae@yahoo.com (Kelly Symes) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:47:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] eyes Message-ID: <20000901224710.5987.qmail@web4202.mail.yahoo.com> Whether or not glasses are payed for would depend entirely on your insurance policy. As for the most basic, they are not, but usually people have more updated policies that allow for that. --- CatherineW123@aol.com wrote: > Do insurance companies cover glasses and contacts? > If they do you think doing > a one time surgery would be less expensive than > paying for new glasses and > contacts many times. > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From marcisparks@hotmail.com Sat Sep 2 00:16:46 2000 From: marcisparks@hotmail.com (Marci Sparks) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 17:16:46 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Through someone elses eyes Message-ID: The concept of seeing differently through someone elses eyes is very interesting, I think it must be true, as has been stated according to our perceptual abilities we may see different things. Just as the cat that was raised in a room consisting of only horizontal lines, when released, all he could see were horizontal lines. I think according to the visual experiences that occur throughout our lives different things are perceived or possibly even seen differently. In Neuropsych. it is discussed that there is neural activity for some people when they see certain faces that is not there for others, perhaps indicating a predisposition for seeing certain things that others cannot see or at least see differently. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Sat Sep 2 02:17:29 2000 From: kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu (Kristin Ward) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 18:17:29 -700 Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: <200009020017.SAA09014@meretrix.csbs.utah.edu> Nocturnal animals cannot see in complete darkness. While their eyes are far more sensitive to light than ours are, they still need at least some light to see. For a discussion on this, look at the postings from Tuesday and Wednesday. The postings related to this are marked "no subject" Kristin While on the subject of photoreceptors, can noctornal animals see in > complete darkness? > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Sat Sep 2 02:22:49 2000 From: kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu (Kristin Ward) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 18:22:49 -700 Subject: [Psych3120] work tests Message-ID: <200009020022.SAA09021@meretrix.csbs.utah.edu> As far as I know, an employer is not allowed to discriminate on the basis of color vision (or anything else) for that matter unless it has a direct impact on job performance. I worked at the Department of Workforce Services for a while and I never had any difficulty in finding a job for someone who was colorblind. Kristin I have been reading many of the messages posted about color > blindness why people have it, why males have it more often > than females, and my question concerning colorblindness is: > Why is it important for employers to have there new hires > take color blindness tests? I can understand it maybe if > the person applying for the job is completely colorblind, > in that they only see black and white. But why does it > matter if you can determine between a dark navy blue and a > black. Is that really going to affect your job performance > that much? Anyone with answers to this question I would > really appreciate it. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From Mad4madimac@aol.com Sat Sep 2 01:51:01 2000 From: Mad4madimac@aol.com (Mad4madimac@aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 20:51:01 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] attention Message-ID: <64.6306926.26e1a8f5@aol.com> Alan, I just read chapter 3 in our textbook on accident, I don't read textbooks for fun, I didn't notice our reading assignment this week was on the Internet, but it was on attention and it was very interesting. It was about research they did on Attention, where they had people listen to different tapes in each ear and tell them to pay attention to one ear only. They came up with all different results from different things that they did, but the main thing I found fascinating, is that they found we pay attention to what we are familiar with or peaks our interest. I may be simplifying but that was the result of combining odd sentences that came in one ear and, the similar idea ending in the second ear. The person listening, couldn't keep their attention on the first ear. In other words, because the sentences coming in the first ear didn't make sense unless you listened to the similar ideas coming from the second ear, the person couldn't keep their focus. That's why at a party, our attention to the person we are talking to changes when we hear our name spoken across the room. Is this clear as mud? Madison McAllister #00155404 From Thurie@aol.com Sat Sep 2 01:51:10 2000 From: Thurie@aol.com (Thurie@aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 20:51:10 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] eyes Message-ID: <75.9202c51.26e1a8fe@aol.com> My insurance does cover glasses and contacts. I did a little math and figured out that by the time I am 70, I will have spent about $4,200 on glasses. I have had three pairs of glasses in seven years. They are about $150 - $200 a pair. It would probably be cheaper for insurance companies just to pay for the one time expensive surgery than to pay all the smaller claims. From Mad4madimac@aol.com Sat Sep 2 01:56:34 2000 From: Mad4madimac@aol.com (Mad4madimac@aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 20:56:34 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] attention Message-ID: <82.3057ac.26e1aa42@aol.com> My last message was for Alanna, my spell checker corrected it for me. Madison From viper@xmission.com Sat Sep 2 04:42:16 2000 From: viper@xmission.com (Corey Raemer) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 21:42:16 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Laser Eye Surgery Message-ID: <39B07718.B5C6BD6B@xmission.com> I recall and article which was featured in the Salt Lake Tribune quite a few # of months ago. There was research which was done on the eyesight of older individuals. What they found was that even though we keep on increasing eye glass prescriptions to correct vision what actually is happening is as we age our visual cortex loses its ability to translate the images. It was interesting because it showed that the problem wasn't always our eye sight, it was our visual cortex's ability to interpret what our eyes are seeing. From kmarc1@yahoo.com Sat Sep 2 15:49:58 2000 From: kmarc1@yahoo.com (Marcus Kimsey) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 07:49:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Margaret Thatcher Message-ID: <20000902144958.12004.qmail@web209.mail.yahoo.com> I do believe thought > that if we began to view the world from an upside > down view, we would soon > familiar ourselves with it and we would be able to > distinguish photos, > objects, etc from an upside down angle. But I don't > want to be the subject > in an experiment like that, I think I would > constantly have a runny nose. Actually a group of psychologists did do an experiment on perception like that. The had a few subjects wear glasses that inverted the image they saw so that everything was upside down. They did this basically to see how flexible the brain is, since the image our brain recieves is inverted and the visual cortex puts it right side up during processing. What they found is that after a few difficult days the subjects could see normally again, the brain simply adapted to conditions and they once again percieved the world right side up. Then when they removed the glasses and could see normally the subjects brains continued to invert images and they had to go through a day or so of akwardness again before their vision returned to normal. So if you spent enough time looking at things upside down, you would regcognize them, but then you'd probably have difficulty with things that are right side up. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Sat Sep 2 23:02:15 2000 From: kgriffin2001@yahoo.com (Karen Griffin) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 15:02:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Do you See What I see? Message-ID: <20000902220215.12465.qmail@web4901.mail.yahoo.com> I believe that perception is a tremendous part of what we see. Because the eyes are only the sensory mechanism used to provide input into the brain, how each of our brains uses that information is very different based on past experience. One way to show that we each see things differently is to use color as an example. As we get older, we learn the subtlety of colors. The first time you see maroon, you will probably think "red." But once someone identifies the color as something other than a simple red, you store that information for later retrieval. Then, the next time you see the color, you identify it slightly different; your preception has changed, and therfore, what you "see" has changed. Also perception changes as you learn new things. Take for instance the drawing of the young/old woman. The first time I saw that all I could see was the young woman. Now that I know there is another image in the drawing, my perception of all drawings has changed. I often look for hidden meanings. Escher had a similar effect on me. Beliefs and values can change over time causing us to "see" things differently. As you get older, you might better appreciate things you take for granted as a child - a beautiful sunset, seeing an old friend, the beginning of spring. Your perception and what is important to you changes the way you view the world and allows you "see" things in a new light. Karen Griffin 00069957 --- Derrel and Magen Grappendorf wrote: > Have you ever wondered what it would be like looking > through someone > elses eyes? Would you see people and objects the > same way as you see > them with your own eyes? Maybe I am wrong, but I > think things would look > different, not totally different. Each of our eyes > have unique flaws and > qualities; some things may appear darker or lighter, > or even clear or > blury. I think things would look different also > because of our > perceptions. For example, we don't always pay > attention to all the > details as we observe someone's face. We can > percieve what they look > like, but if we were to look through someone elses > eyes, we might see the > same person in a different way. Does that make > sense? > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Sat Sep 2 23:06:27 2000 From: kgriffin2001@yahoo.com (Karen Griffin) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 15:06:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] eyes Message-ID: <20000902220627.12655.qmail@web4901.mail.yahoo.com> However, by the time you are 70 you will probably have changed jobs anywhere from 10 to 25 times (every two to five years). With each of the job changes, you will probably change insurance companies. So from the individual insurance companies' perspective, it would be cheaper to pay the individual claims for glasses than to pay the one-time laser surgery claim. Just a thought as to why they won't cover it. Karen Griffin --- Thurie@aol.com wrote: > My insurance does cover glasses and contacts. I did > a little math and figured > out that by the time I am 70, I will have spent > about $4,200 on glasses. I > have had three pairs of glasses in seven years. They > are about $150 - $200 a > pair. It would probably be cheaper for insurance > companies just to pay for > the one time expensive surgery than to pay all the > smaller claims. > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Sat Sep 2 23:15:36 2000 From: kgriffin2001@yahoo.com (Karen Griffin) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 15:15:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] attention Message-ID: <20000902221536.13278.qmail@web4901.mail.yahoo.com> Alanna, Our short-term memory can only process a limited amount of information (7 +/- 2 items), so in some respects the mind forces us to focus on a limited number of things. However, I do believe that it is a conscious choice as to what gets "tuned" out. A personal example for this is driving. When the road conditions are good and there isn't a lot of traffic, I can drive home and sing along to every song and sometimes arrive without remembering where I've been (scary I know, but I guess I'm paying enough attention to get home safely!). But my attention changes dramatically when it's snowing. I find that I can't stand to have the radio on because I don't feel like I can pay total attention to the road and the way the car is responding. Another personal example has to do with math. I hate math--anything mathematical! One interesting way I've found to study it though is to have a sports game (football, basketball, etc.) on the TV while I'm doing my homework. I'm not sure why, but I can process the information more easily if I have a side distraction. Maybe it's that I don't want math to have my total attention because I hate it so much! --- alanna wilson wrote: > Attention is the mental process of concentrating > effort on a stimulus or a > mental event. Specifically selective attention is > used to filter out > surrounding distractions and focusing on the one > important thing we've > chosen. > > I personally have a weakness when it comes to > selective attention. I seem to > only pay attention to those things that I have a > high interest in. I tend to > choose what is more interesting at the time or what > I'm in the mood for and > that is what I listen to. When you are exercising > selective attention are > you still hearing what is being said or completely > ignoring it? Is you > subconcious taking over? Do we really have the > control over what we listen > to or don't listen to? In my opinion, everyone, to > one degree or another > exercises selective attention (particularly at > school) :) If we don't think > something will benefit us at a specific time then we > don't listen. Do you > think this is by our own free choice or is our mind > taking over? > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own > public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From must_09@hotmail.com Sun Sep 3 17:53:55 2000 From: must_09@hotmail.com (mike brooks) Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 10:53:55 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] A little confused Message-ID: I need to know how to go back in and use the "digest" version of the e-mail posts, I don't want to read over 100 e-mails a day. I am also confused about all of the readings, for example: the "visual system" reading is broken down into 3 readings, are we expected to read them all as one or are they listed separately? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jsd1022@yahoo.com Sun Sep 3 22:42:58 2000 From: jsd1022@yahoo.com (J Doonan) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 14:42:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Color vision Message-ID: <20000903214258.36049.qmail@web9208.mail.yahoo.com> Has anybody read "The Case of the Colorblind Painter?" I was wondering if anybody who is color blind, either born that way or acquired it, could shed some personal light on what it is like? My father was born color blind, but it never bothered him because he didn't know anything else. In fact he was so indifferent to the fact that his own father still to this day believes that he makes it up. Is it true that it is inherited from your mother and that it is extremely rare for women to have the disorder? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From sailoruranus@altavista.net Mon Sep 4 01:00:48 2000 From: sailoruranus@altavista.net (sailoruranus@altavista.net) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 20:00:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Psych3120] dark adaptation Message-ID: <000903200048CT.15966@weba8.iname.net> While I am an optician, and apply the prinicples of refraction and the biology of the eye to my everyday life, I had the pleasure of experiencing the concepts of dark adaptation last night. While driving up the canyon with my boyfriend last night I wasn't paying much attention to the stars. When we arrived at the top of the mountain and opened the sun roof I was greeted with an astonishly brilliant vision of the heavens. I had recently taken the same trip with one of my friends, but our view was marred by the full moon. What I saw when I first looked towards the sky was a clarity I have not experienced before. My eyes had been in the dark long enough to fully allow my sensitivity to light to take effect, and I could see more (dimly lit) stars than I had ever seen. In contrast to this, when we needed to illuminate the car -- and experienced the subsequent blinding -- my ability to see the most dimly lit stars was replaced with my regular ability to star-gaze. I also experimented with a red light in order to validate the scientific principle that our rods are incapable of registering red light, so their function is not inhibited. Even though I had a thorough knowledge of the eye's functioning, this was a new experience for me. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Get your free email from AltaVista at http://altavista.iname.com From becky@lumintech.com Mon Sep 4 20:13:17 2000 From: becky@lumintech.com (Becky Alder) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 13:13:17 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] A little confused References: Message-ID: <001d01c016a4$312bb710$2dcdbed8@beckster> Hey what password did you use to get into the reading materials? I keep getting a Java box asking for a password. Can you help? thanks Becky Alder ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike brooks" To: Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 10:53 AM Subject: [Psych3120] A little confused > I need to know how to go back in and use the "digest" version of the e-mail > posts, I don't want to read over 100 e-mails a day. I am also confused > about all of the readings, for example: the "visual system" reading is > broken down into 3 readings, are we expected to read them all as one or are > they listed separately? > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 From becky@lumintech.com Mon Sep 4 20:15:56 2000 From: becky@lumintech.com (Becky Alder) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 13:15:56 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Color vision References: <20000903214258.36049.qmail@web9208.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002a01c016a4$8f817ed0$2dcdbed8@beckster> Were you able to get into the course readings? What did you use for the password? Thanks Becky Alder ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Doonan" To: Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 3:42 PM Subject: [Psych3120] Color vision > Has anybody read "The Case of the Colorblind Painter?" > I was wondering if anybody who is color blind, either > born that way or acquired it, could shed some personal > light on what it is like? My father was born color > blind, but it never bothered him because he didn't > know anything else. In fact he was so indifferent to > the fact that his own father still to this day > believes that he makes it up. Is it true that it is > inherited from your mother and that it is extremely > rare for women to have the disorder? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 From ilikeduplos@hotmail.com Mon Sep 4 20:46:43 2000 From: ilikeduplos@hotmail.com (Erica Fleming) Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 13:46:43 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: I thought it was really interesting that we don't just see from one part of the brain (like the visual cortex) but from many. I actually never knew that. I think the readings said like 36 areas are affected by our vision. Wow, that's alot! In the next readings, on color, I enjoyed the part that talked about why sometimes it's hard to distinguish between black and navy. This is my problem sometimes, you see a car and you think, that's black, no wait maybe it's dark navy. It seems like it would be an easy task to differentiate between two colors but apparently it's not that easy. The readings said that sometimes it's hard to choose which it is, black or navy because one reason could be that the reflectance of the blue is low (the lightness of the color makes it hard to detect the color). Also, the color can be too dark, which is when the mix up occurs (is it black or navy) I also think that it's really neat that when you look at a something blue for a while (stare at it) and then look to a white piece of paper, you will see the opposite color, Yellow. How does this happen? I still don't understand why. It is a little confusing because it is the complete opposite of blue so why do you not see blue? Anyone know? Erica _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jsd1022@yahoo.com Mon Sep 4 21:22:50 2000 From: jsd1022@yahoo.com (J Doonan) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 13:22:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] A little confused Message-ID: <20000904202250.17949.qmail@web9204.mail.yahoo.com> Professor Strayer said the password was "open sesame," but I still had problems accessing the e-reserve readings so what I did was download them at the Marriott Library, you don't need the password there. --- Becky Alder wrote: > Hey what password did you use to get into the > reading materials? I keep > getting a Java box asking for a password. Can you > help? > thanks > > Becky Alder > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mike brooks" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 10:53 AM > Subject: [Psych3120] A little confused > > > > I need to know how to go back in and use the > "digest" version of the > e-mail > > posts, I don't want to read over 100 e-mails a > day. I am also confused > > about all of the readings, for example: the > "visual system" reading is > > broken down into 3 readings, are we expected to > read them all as one or > are > > they listed separately? > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own > public profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Psych3120 mailing list > > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From david.strayer@psych.utah.edu Mon Sep 4 23:09:42 2000 From: david.strayer@psych.utah.edu (David Strayer) Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 16:09:42 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Guest lecturer Message-ID: <39B41DA6.4BE96C78@psych.utah.edu> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------3FFAFD1BA7868244C5951C11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a reminder that Dr. Sarah Creem will be guest lecturing this week on the neuropsychology of vision. Please give her a warm reception. --Dave --------------3FFAFD1BA7868244C5951C11 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="ds2144.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for David Strayer Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ds2144.vcf" begin:vcard n:Strayer;David tel;fax:(801) 581-5841 tel;home:(801) 364-0654 tel;work:(801) 581-5037 x-mozilla-html:TRUE adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:strayer@psych.utah.edu fn:Dave Strayer end:vcard --------------3FFAFD1BA7868244C5951C11-- From leximonroe@hotmail.com Tue Sep 5 00:22:08 2000 From: leximonroe@hotmail.com (Lexi Monroe) Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 23:22:08 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: Lexi Monroe Psych 3120 When I think of Cognitive psychology, I think of learning. I found an interesting article in the USA Today on August 31. It was titled "Laptops are no longer a luxury for students". This brought to my attention that many schools now are requiring laptops in the classroom to increase learning. A school in New Hampshire had a rise in S.A.T. scores of 90 points since reequiring laptops. The issue is whether effective learning is achieived because of the attention and immediate feedback that a laptop provides or does it provide easier access to more material. Have we reached a point where real effective learning requires excitement? Can we not learn as effectively anymore in the schools through listenening and just taking notes? To me, what it comes down to is much of learning is dependent on the attention that one gives the learning material. So, laptops are going to tend to grab people's attention more effectively than listening and writing everything down. Are laptops more effective teachers than actual teachers? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Norrisrachel@aol.com Tue Sep 5 00:26:39 2000 From: Norrisrachel@aol.com (Norrisrachel@aol.com) Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 19:26:39 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] Color vision Message-ID: <49.68d8e5.26e589af@aol.com> the password is open sesame From mismash1@hotmail.com Tue Sep 5 02:22:22 2000 From: mismash1@hotmail.com (chris mismash) Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 19:22:22 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: Im sure this question has been asked and answered a 1000 times, but never to me. I have, in many a classes, been given the example of the man who was a nice steel worker, and then one day, whap! a metal pole through the middle of the head. From then on he had a whole new personality, and saw the world from what could truly be though of as new eyes. My question is this, im not so concerned if he has a sole, and if so why does the brain affect it... im much more interested in how much effect massive brain trauma can have on the congnitive process. If some one is brain damaged, do the actually, cognitivly, process the world different, or are they merely less able to express how they process it. If the latter, then why would their entire view points change. If the former, what parts of the body are the most influenced by physical trauma (not to mention emotional). Are their studies showing brain activity to lend to a conclusion, one way or the other? CM _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jjfoust@ix.netcom.com Tue Sep 5 02:57:34 2000 From: jjfoust@ix.netcom.com (Jaime C. Foust) Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 19:57:34 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Blind Spot Message-ID: <39B4530E.74DC150D@ix.netcom.com> I tried the blind spot experiment myself, as well as with a few family members and friends. It seems that everyone has always believed we are capable of seeing objects clearly from the sides of our eyes, and it was not until I tried this experiment with people they actually believed me when I told them they would not be able to clearly see the number and suit on the card until it was almost straight in front of them. It is interesting to think that it has taken me 22 years to figure that out! Jaime From jasonwlogsdon@hotmail.com Tue Sep 5 03:14:22 2000 From: jasonwlogsdon@hotmail.com (Jason Logsdon) Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 20:14:22 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: I believe that you see the opposite color because all of the blue pigment gets depleted, so when you look at white light, your eyes don't produce the blue, just the yellow. Jason From: "Erica Fleming" Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 13:46:43 MDT I thought it was really interesting that we don't just see from one part of the brain (like the visual cortex) but from many. I actually never knew that. I think the readings said like 36 areas are affected by our vision. Wow, that's alot! In the next readings, on color, I enjoyed the part that talked about why sometimes it's hard to distinguish between black and navy. This is my problem sometimes, you see a car and you think, that's black, no wait maybe it's dark navy. It seems like it would be an easy task to differentiate between two colors but apparently it's not that easy. The readings said that sometimes it's hard to choose which it is, black or navy because one reason could be that the reflectance of the blue is low (the lightness of the color makes it hard to detect the color). Also, the color can be too dark, which is when the mix up occurs (is it black or navy) I also think that it's really neat that when you look at a something blue for a while (stare at it) and then look to a white piece of paper, you will see the opposite color, Yellow. How does this happen? I still don't understand why. It is a little confusing because it is the complete opposite of blue so why do you not see blue? Anyone know? Erica _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jjfoust@ix.netcom.com Tue Sep 5 03:21:00 2000 From: jjfoust@ix.netcom.com (Jaime C. Foust) Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 20:21:00 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] work tests Message-ID: <39B4588C.C05A94FA@ix.netcom.com> I am just curious... I have never been given a colorblind test at a place of employment, nor can I see how that would have any relevance to the jobs I have worked at. What types of jobs would this be an critical and important factor? Kristin Ward kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Fri, 01 Sep 2000 18:22:49 -700 As far as I know, an employer is not allowed to discriminate on the basis of color vision (or anything else) for that matter unless it has a direct impact on job performance. I worked at the Department of Workforce Services for a while and I never had any difficulty in finding a job for someone who was colorblind. Kristin I have been reading many of the messages posted about color > blindness why people have it, why males have it more often > than females, and my question concerning colorblindness is: > Why is it important for employers to have there new hires > take color blindness tests? I can understand it maybe if > the person applying for the job is completely colorblind, > in that they only see black and white. But why does it > matter if you can determine between a dark navy blue and a > black. Is that really going to affect your job performance > that much? Anyone with answers to this question I would > really appreciate it. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From sweetfogs@hotmail.com Tue Sep 5 04:11:35 2000 From: sweetfogs@hotmail.com (Jaimie Cogswell) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 03:11:35 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] work tests Message-ID: I would think that employers that might consider color blindness when looking at applicants would include those in the business of painting, interior design, fashion design, seamstress, etc. Correct color vision would be crucial in order to have things, say for instance, painted the right color (I guess you could always read the label) or when decorating a room in a specific color scheme. I'm sure that being color blind would be a huge challenge in these kinds of jobs. Does that make sense? It probably would have a direct impact on job performance, in these kinds of employment. I am just curious... I have never been given a colorblind test at a place of employment, nor can I see how that would have any relevance to the jobs I have worked at. What types of jobs would this be an critical and important factor? Kristin Ward kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Fri, 01 Sep 2000 18:22:49 -700 As far as I know, an employer is not allowed to discriminate on the basis of color vision (or anything else) for that matter unless it has a direct impact on job performance. I worked at the Department of Workforce Services for a while and I never had any difficulty in finding a job for someone who was colorblind. Kristin I have been reading many of the messages posted about color > blindness why people have it, why males have it more often > than females, and my question concerning colorblindness is: > Why is it important for employers to have there new hires > take color blindness tests? I can understand it maybe if > the person applying for the job is completely colorblind, > in that they only see black and white. But why does it > matter if you can determine between a dark navy blue and a > black. Is that really going to affect your job performance > that much? Anyone with answers to this question I would > really appreciate it. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From becky@lumintech.com Tue Sep 5 04:22:32 2000 From: becky@lumintech.com (Becky Alder) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 21:22:32 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Vision Message-ID: <001a01c016e8$a0edb2d0$2acdbed8@beckster> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C016B6.3CED56A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was just thinking about the whole tea cup lecture. It (simply = explained) is that you see the tea cup, then it turns upside down when = it hits your retina, then your brain turns it back to right-side-up. = How does the brain know that what it is seeing is really upside down and = that it needs to turn it right-side-up?=20 Thanks Becky=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C016B6.3CED56A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I was just thinking about the whole tea = cup=20 lecture. It (simply explained) is that you see  the tea cup, then = it turns=20 upside down when it hits your retina, then your brain turns it back to=20 right-side-up.  How does the brain know that what it is seeing is = really=20 upside down and that it needs to turn it right-side-up?
 
Thanks
 
Becky
------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C016B6.3CED56A0-- From becky@lumintech.com Tue Sep 5 04:24:25 2000 From: becky@lumintech.com (Becky Alder) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 21:24:25 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] A little confused References: <20000904202250.17949.qmail@web9204.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002601c016e8$cda796b0$2acdbed8@beckster> thank you !!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Doonan" To: Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [Psych3120] A little confused > Professor Strayer said the password was "open sesame," > but I still had problems accessing the e-reserve > readings so what I did was download them at the > Marriott Library, you don't need the password there. > > > > --- Becky Alder wrote: > > Hey what password did you use to get into the > > reading materials? I keep > > getting a Java box asking for a password. Can you > > help? > > thanks > > > > Becky Alder > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "mike brooks" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 10:53 AM > > Subject: [Psych3120] A little confused > > > > > > > I need to know how to go back in and use the > > "digest" version of the > > e-mail > > > posts, I don't want to read over 100 e-mails a > > day. I am also confused > > > about all of the readings, for example: the > > "visual system" reading is > > > broken down into 3 readings, are we expected to > > read them all as one or > > are > > > they listed separately? > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own > > public profile at > > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Psych3120 mailing list > > > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Psych3120 mailing list > > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 From rstormy@hotmail.com Tue Sep 5 04:46:51 2000 From: rstormy@hotmail.com (randon storms) Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 21:46:51 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: Carolyn Storms Psych3120 My husband is color blind with regards to red and greens. Every time he approaches a traffic light, I get nervous. Even though he knows the configuration of the light, he does not have an automatic reaction. He has to slow down and think through the process of whether he can go or not. Also interesting, is that his 2 favorite colors are red and green. Although he doesn't see them as a trichromatic person does, he sees some kind of color. Red is especially his favorite. He says that there is a fuzzy glow that emanates from red. I wish I could see through his eyes for only a moment to understand what he sees. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From gsl9@hotmail.com Tue Sep 5 04:54:42 2000 From: gsl9@hotmail.com (Greg Leigh) Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 21:54:42 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] work tests Message-ID: I have never been given a colorblind test for employment either and, although I am colorblind, have never been affected by it in a job situation. I would agree that it could affect performance in areas of painting, etc but I wouldn't apply for a job such as that where my skills aren't in use either. Why make life harder on yourself? So, mandatory tests don't really make sense to me. I also wondered if staring into red for a while, then at a white surface makes it green has anything to do with the way some colorblind people mix up red and green. Also, do colorblind people tend to have problems seeing the dot pictures that jump out at you? I can see some, but really have a hard time with others, and I wondered if it has anything to do with colorblindness, and my not being able to make patterns out of certain color mixtures. Greg >From: "Jaimie Cogswell" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] work tests >Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 03:11:35 GMT > > > > >I would think that employers that might consider color blindness when >looking at applicants would include those in the business of painting, >interior design, fashion design, seamstress, etc. Correct color vision >would be crucial in order to have things, say for instance, painted the >right color (I guess you could always read the label) or when decorating a >room in a specific color scheme. I'm sure that being color blind would be >a >huge challenge in these kinds of jobs. Does that make sense? It probably >would have a direct impact on job performance, in these kinds of >employment. > > > > >I am just curious... > >I have never been given a colorblind test at a place of employment, nor >can I see how that would have any relevance to the jobs I have worked >at. What types of jobs would this be an critical and important factor? > > >Kristin Ward kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu >Fri, 01 Sep 2000 18:22:49 -700 > >As far as I know, an employer is not allowed to discriminate on the >basis of color vision (or anything else) for that matter unless it has >a direct impact on job performance. I worked at the Department of >Workforce Services for a while and I never had any difficulty in finding >a job for someone who was colorblind. > >Kristin > >I have been reading many of the messages posted about color > > blindness why people have it, why males have it more often > > than females, and my question concerning colorblindness is: > > Why is it important for employers to have there new hires > > take color blindness tests? I can understand it maybe if > > the person applying for the job is completely colorblind, > > in that they only see black and white. But why does it > > matter if you can determine between a dark navy blue and a > > black. Is that really going to affect your job performance > > that much? Anyone with answers to this question I would > > really appreciate it. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Psych3120 mailing list > > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From laurielallatin@hotmail.com Tue Sep 5 03:11:45 2000 From: laurielallatin@hotmail.com (Laurie Lallatin) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 02:11:45 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] study guide 1 question: HELP Message-ID: Dr. Strayer describes a question as follows: A yellow butterfly that swoops by the left side of your head then lands on a green plant in front of you. Describe in detail how this information is processed by the visual system. I am having difficulty putting this into words. Can someone help me? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Tue Sep 5 09:28:40 2000 From: kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu (Kristin Ward) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 01:28:40 -700 Subject: [Psych3120] A little confused Message-ID: <200009050728.BAA12792@meretrix.csbs.utah.edu> Hello, In order to use the digest version of the email posts, please go to the following URL: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options.cgi/psych3120/YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS!! (make sure to fill in your email address after the backslash at the end of this URL; I tried it without and there's no sign in or default setting so it won't work). This will take you to a page where you can change your list options. Click on the "On" button under the "Set Digest Mode" heading, enter your password at the bottom and click on the "Submit My Changes" button. In answer to your question about the readings, the assignment for "Matlin & Fowley, Chapter 3" refers to all 3 sections of the information about the visual system. My guess is that they are broken into parts to make them easier to download. If you have any further questions or concerns, please feel free to email me at kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu. Kristin I need to know how to go back in and use the "digest" version of the e-mail > posts, I don't want to read over 100 e-mails a day. I am also confused > about all of the readings, for example: the "visual system" reading is > broken down into 3 readings, are we expected to read them all as one or are > they listed separately? > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Tue Sep 5 09:47:48 2000 From: kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu (Kristin Ward) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 01:47:48 -700 Subject: [Psych3120] attention Message-ID: <200009050747.BAA12823@meretrix.csbs.utah.edu> You may be able to find more information on selective attention by looking for information on The Cocktail Party Phenomenon. This is the name for the situation you described in which you are able to hear your name spoken, even when you are paying attention to something else. Kristin > Alan, > I just read chapter 3 in our textbook on accident, I don't read textbooks > for fun, I didn't notice our reading assignment this week was on the > Internet, but it was on attention and it was very interesting. It was about > research they did on Attention, where they had people listen to different > tapes in each ear and tell them to pay attention to one ear only. They came > up with all different results from different things that they did, but the > main thing I found fascinating, is that they found we pay attention to what > we are familiar with or peaks our interest. I may be simplifying but that > was the result of combining odd sentences that came in one ear and, the > similar idea ending in the second ear. The person listening, couldn't keep > their attention on the first ear. In other words, because the sentences > coming in the first ear didn't make sense unless you listened to the similar > ideas coming from the second ear, the person couldn't keep their focus. > That's why at a party, our attention to the person we are talking to changes > when we hear our name spoken across the room. > Is this clear as mud? > Madison McAllister > #00155404 > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Tue Sep 5 09:51:21 2000 From: kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu (Kristin Ward) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 01:51:21 -700 Subject: [Psych3120] work tests Message-ID: <200009050751.BAA12830@meretrix.csbs.utah.edu> I have never been given one either. An earlier post mentioned that you are unable to be a pilot if you are colorblind. Perhaps other positions that involve extremely exacting sight require color vision as well. I am just curious... > > I have never been given a colorblind test at a place of employment, nor > can I see how that would have any relevance to the jobs I have worked > at. What types of jobs would this be an critical and important factor? > > > Kristin Ward kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu > Fri, 01 Sep 2000 18:22:49 -700 > > As far as I know, an employer is not allowed to discriminate on the > basis of color vision (or anything else) for that matter unless it has > a direct impact on job performance. I worked at the Department of > Workforce Services for a while and I never had any difficulty in finding > a job for someone who was colorblind. > > Kristin > > I have been reading many of the messages posted about color > > blindness why people have it, why males have it more often > > than females, and my question concerning colorblindness is: > > Why is it important for employers to have there new hires > > take color blindness tests? I can understand it maybe if > > the person applying for the job is completely colorblind, > > in that they only see black and white. But why does it > > matter if you can determine between a dark navy blue and a > > black. Is that really going to affect your job performance > > that much? Anyone with answers to this question I would > > really appreciate it. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Psych3120 mailing list > > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From mikebaker13@yahoo.com Tue Sep 5 17:21:27 2000 From: mikebaker13@yahoo.com (Mike Baker) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 09:21:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Vision??? What is it really? Message-ID: <20000905162127.10001.qmail@web1609.mail.yahoo.com> Wow, reading these last few readings have really taught me a lot about what I am seeing, but I am a little confused about something? If anyone can help I'd really appreciate it. So everything that we see is just the effects of electromagnetic reactions right? So is color a physical thing or just a perception? If I toch a blue shirt am I in reality just touching some blank material and I only think or perceieve that I am touching something that is blue?? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From falsecents@hotmail.com Tue Sep 5 19:04:07 2000 From: falsecents@hotmail.com (F.C.S. S.L.C.) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 18:04:07 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] Achromatopsia Message-ID: If someone has a brain injury and becomes colorblind (like the colorblind painter), will they still be able to see color in their dreams, memories. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From lauraebarron@hotmail.com Tue Sep 5 19:33:02 2000 From: lauraebarron@hotmail.com (laura barron) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 12:33:02 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] color blind Message-ID: i have a friend that is color blind, but cna't see any difference between blue and purple. are the blue cones missing that cause the vision problem? -laura barron 00037675 From: "F.C.S. S.L.C." Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] Achromatopsia Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 18:04:07 GMT If someone has a brain injury and becomes colorblind (like the colorblind painter), will they still be able to see color in their dreams, memories. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kvrennie@hotmail.com Tue Sep 5 19:50:53 2000 From: kvrennie@hotmail.com (Kelly Rennie) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 12:50:53 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] color blind Message-ID: Can Your friend still see reds? If so, then the red component of the purple color is intact and it would, by default, have to be the blue cones that were missing. I have a question, if anyone is familiar with genetics. Could the red/green color blindness be the most common of the deficiencies due to probability? What I mean is, there are only three kinds of cones, and either one of two of those cones needs to be affected for red/green color blindness, which would give a 2/3 chance of color blindness, if you were just randomly choosing cones. Does that make sense? Any comments? >From: "laura barron" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] color blind >Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 12:33:02 MDT > >i have a friend that is color blind, but cna't see any difference between >blue and purple. are the blue cones missing that cause the vision problem? > >-laura barron 00037675 > > >From: "F.C.S. S.L.C." >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] Achromatopsia >Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 18:04:07 GMT > >If someone has a brain injury and becomes colorblind (like the colorblind >painter), will they still be able to see color in their dreams, memories. >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From mobiaz@excite.com Tue Sep 5 20:12:01 2000 From: mobiaz@excite.com (mobiaz@excite.com) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 12:12:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] work tests Message-ID: <23301193.968181121787.JavaMail.imail@seamore.excite.com> I agree that it isn't necessary to give potential employees color blind tests unless perception of color is a vital part of the job. It would prove to be otherwise a waste of time for the companies that the test would be irrelevant to and might raise issues of discrimination of individuals on these grounds. Thus I think that it isn't really necessary and by implementing these tests it will serve to potentially create more problems than it might solve. Tyler Burnett _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com Tue Sep 5 20:16:16 2000 From: Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com (Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:16:16 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Nonspectral hues Message-ID: In the readings for this week, nonspectral hues are colors that cannot be described in terms of a single wavelength from a part of a spectrum. Instead, these hues are produced by combining other hues. Purple is a combination of blue and red. Similarly, studies show that when asked to choose one hue as the best example of red, people choose a red that contains a little touch of blue. I have just recently painted my living room orange, yet when people come to visit, they call it yellow? Is this an example of nonspectral hues? or is it based on people's perception of what they see? Why are we not all able to see the same color? Leonard Cancel #00180520 From alexispaulos@hotmail.com Tue Sep 5 21:17:40 2000 From: alexispaulos@hotmail.com (Alexis Paulos) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 14:17:40 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] laser surgery Message-ID: About six months ago my mom had laser eye surgery. This surgery allowed for her vision to be corrected at long distances. However, after having the surgery she is now unable to see close up. Her whole perception has changed. She has had to "relearn" tasks that require close up vision, as well as replace her old glasses with reading glasses to aid her in seeing these small tasks. For a little while after the surgery she had headaches and felt generally disoriented. She now has become use to the changes but some days her vision goes cloudy and other days she can see relatively well close up and faraway My question is. . .is this normal for laser eye surgery? And if so why is this corrective surgery so inconsistent? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com Tue Sep 5 22:09:55 2000 From: Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com (Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 15:09:55 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Vision??? What is it really? Message-ID: This is a great question! Based on the readings, Preceptual Properties of Color (Hue, Saturation, Lightness and Brightness), these 3 primary and interacting dimensions combine to define our "perception" of color. Are we really seeing the actual color of that object? >---------- >From: Mike Baker[SMTP:mikebaker13@yahoo.com] >Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 10:21 AM >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] Vision??? What is it really? > >Wow, reading these last few readings have really >taught me a lot about what I am seeing, but I am a >little confused about something? If anyone can help >I'd really appreciate it. >So everything that we see is just the effects of >electromagnetic reactions right? So is color a >physical thing or just a perception? If I toch a blue >shirt am I in reality just touching some blank >material and I only think or perceieve that I am >touching something that is blue?? > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! >http://mail.yahoo.com/ > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From CatherineW123@aol.com Tue Sep 5 23:25:58 2000 From: CatherineW123@aol.com (CatherineW123@aol.com) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:25:58 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] Achromatopsia Message-ID: From CatherineW123@aol.com Tue Sep 5 23:27:18 2000 From: CatherineW123@aol.com (CatherineW123@aol.com) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:27:18 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] Achromatopsia Message-ID: <96.9426bdc.26e6cd46@aol.com> Ooopppss my computer sent a half finished message. Anyways, I think the guest speaker talked about that today. I think she said that people can remember and imagine colors for a while after the accident, but then the memories began to fade. I think it could be different with each individual though. From CatherineW123@aol.com Tue Sep 5 23:29:31 2000 From: CatherineW123@aol.com (CatherineW123@aol.com) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:29:31 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] work tests Message-ID: I worked in retail for a long time and did display's for store windows and I never was given a color blindness test. I also had a friend who was colorblind and he never realized it until he was older and started to think that maybe he was seeing things different from other people. From cgshupe@hotmail.com Wed Sep 6 00:16:56 2000 From: cgshupe@hotmail.com (Casey Shupe) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:16:56 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] 3120 lasik answer, Casey Shupe Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C0175D.17AD3AC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable About a week ago there was a post asking how successful the lasik = procedures have been my uncle just recently underwent this procedure = within the last month and this question was asked in the literature they = gave him.=20 How effective is LASIK or laser eye surgery for the correction of = nearsightedness? What are the risks?=20 Laser vision correction today is a very effective procedure for reducing = myopia (nearsightedness). It is estimated that over 800,000 people will = have laser vision correction in the United States during 1999. There are = two main procedures: PRK and LASIK. Both use a cool laser beam that = reshapes the surface of the eye. Both take approximately 10 minutes per = eye and are generally safe procedures, but like any surgical procedure, = they both involve risks.=20 PRK stands for photo refractive keratectomy. This procedure uses an = excimer laser to precisely reshape the surface of the cornea (the = transparent, dome-shaped lens on the front of the eye). Since people who = are nearsighted generally have steep corneas, the laser flattens the = cornea, changing the angle of the lens to reduce or eliminate the = myopia. Vision slowly improves over three to four days.=20 LASIK stands for laser-assisted in-situ keratomileusis. This surgery = begins by making a flap in the cornea. The thin corneal flap is opened = to reveal the "bed" of the cornea. The excimer laser than reshapes the = corneal bed, and the flap is brought back into place. The flap seals = down tightly without the need for stitches. Although the eye may feel = scratchy over the first few hours after LASIK, patients generally do not = complain of any further discomfort. Recovery time is faster than with = PRK.=20 These two approaches produce similar results at three months and one = year after surgery. Ninety-five percent of patients end up able to drive = a car legally without glasses (20/40 vision), and 65-75 percent of = patients gain even better improvement, to 20/20 vision.=20 Laser vision correction does have risks. Many patients will develop a = "dry eye" condition that lasts weeks or months. The symptoms of dry eye = include a scratchy feeling and mild blurring of vision. Dry eye is = easily treated with artificial tears, and it improves over time. A small = percentage of patients report a more bothersome condition -- a worsening = of vision as well as ghosting or glare symptoms while driving at night. = Most of these symptoms will gradually fade over many months, but some = patients will have permanent changes in their vision. The most serious = complication is fortunately the most uncommon -- infection or severe = inflammation of the cornea. Both the infection and inflammation are = treatable, but some patients experience permanent loss of vision.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C0175D.17AD3AC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

About a week ago there was a post asking how successful the lasik = procedures=20 have been my uncle just recently underwent this procedure within the = last month=20 and this question was asked in the literature they gave him.

 

How effective is LASIK or laser eye surgery for the correction of=20 nearsightedness? What are the risks?

Laser vision correction today is a very effective = procedure=20 for reducing myopia (nearsightedness). It is estimated that over 800,000 = people=20 will have laser vision correction in the United States during 1999. = There are=20 two main procedures: PRK and LASIK. Both use a cool laser beam that = reshapes the=20 surface of the eye. Both take approximately 10 minutes per eye and are = generally=20 safe procedures, but like any surgical procedure, they both involve = risks.=20

PRK stands for photo refractive keratectomy. This = procedure=20 uses an excimer laser to precisely reshape the surface of the cornea = (the=20 transparent, dome-shaped lens on the front of the eye). Since people who = are=20 nearsighted generally have steep corneas, the laser flattens the cornea, = changing the angle of the lens to reduce or eliminate the myopia. Vision = slowly=20 improves over three to four days.

LASIK stands for laser-assisted in-situ = keratomileusis. This=20 surgery begins by making a flap in the cornea. The thin corneal flap is = opened=20 to reveal the "bed" of the cornea. The excimer laser than reshapes the = corneal=20 bed, and the flap is brought back into place. The flap seals down = tightly=20 without the need for stitches. Although the eye may feel scratchy over = the first=20 few hours after LASIK, patients generally do not complain of any further = discomfort. Recovery time is faster than with PRK.

These two approaches produce similar results at = three months=20 and one year after surgery. Ninety-five percent of patients end up able = to drive=20 a car legally without glasses (20/40 vision), and 65-75 percent of = patients gain=20 even better improvement, to 20/20 vision.

Laser vision correction does have risks. Many = patients will=20 develop a "dry eye" condition that lasts weeks or months. The symptoms = of dry=20 eye include a scratchy feeling and mild blurring of vision. Dry eye is = easily=20 treated with artificial tears, and it improves over time. A small = percentage of=20 patients report a more bothersome condition -- a worsening of vision as = well as=20 ghosting or glare symptoms while driving at night. Most of these = symptoms will=20 gradually fade over many months, but some patients will have permanent = changes=20 in their vision. The most serious complication is fortunately the most = uncommon=20 -- infection or severe inflammation of the cornea. Both the infection = and=20 inflammation are treatable, but some patients experience permanent loss = of=20 vision.

------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C0175D.17AD3AC0-- From listonbr@yahoo.com Wed Sep 6 00:15:44 2000 From: listonbr@yahoo.com (s.brandon liston) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 16:15:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] color blind world Message-ID: <20000905231544.6376.qmail@web208.mail.yahoo.com> After the class on colorblindness I developed some pretty interesting thoughts. First I began to wonder how hard it must be to do the simplest of tasks, such as looking at a computer screen. It must be so tedious and plain. I decided to see what was out there for people with this problem. One of the most interesting sites while I was searching, is called WHAT COLOR. The purpose of this site, is to make the colorblind no longer colorblind. You can subscribe to this, WHAT COLOR, identifies a color of the pixel on the screen of your PC, What color not only tells you the RGB values, but also the name of the color of the point. ZDNet rated it 4 stars and the same with YIPPEE. I find this very interesting, the site was created by someone that has first hand experience with this. 00154324 Liston __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cgshupe@hotmail.com Wed Sep 6 00:30:25 2000 From: cgshupe@hotmail.com (Casey Shupe) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:30:25 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] achromatopsia {3120} Casey Shupe Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C0175E.FA2B99E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The disorder also illustrates quite nicely the problem of different = minds. We cannot know what it is like to have achromatopia, and neither = can individuals afflicted with achromatopia know what it is like to live = in a world of colors. In some information I have looked at on the web = say that even those who are achromatic who arrived at the condition = through accident or disease cannot know what it is like to see in = color.(IS this true?) If it was then it would seem that the ways in = which we perceive the world are connected with the ways in which we = remember it. This makes memory more than a passive reviewing of stored = information, and more of a phenomenal reconstruction.=20 It would be interesting to determine what the extent of the similarities = between congenital and accidental cases is. In accidental cases = involving neural damage, information is still being passed to the brain = that isn't getting there in congenital cases. An analysis of the = different capabilities of congenital and accidental (neurological) = achromatopia could provide insight into what role, if any, that = information plays - beyond constructing our color consciousness. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C0175E.FA2B99E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The disorder also illustrates quite nicely the problem = of different=20 minds. We cannot know what it is like to have achromatopia, and neither = can=20 individuals afflicted with achromatopia know what it is like to live in = a world=20 of colors. In some information I have looked at on the web say that even = those=20 who are achromatic who arrived at the condition through accident or = disease=20 cannot know what it is like to see in color.(IS this true?) If it was = then it=20 would seem that the ways in which we perceive the world are connected = with the=20 ways in which we remember it. This makes memory more than a passive = reviewing of=20 stored information, and more of a phenomenal reconstruction.

It would be interesting to determine what the extent of the = similarities=20 between congenital and accidental cases is. In accidental cases = involving neural=20 damage, information is still being passed to the brain that isn't = getting there=20 in congenital cases. An analysis of the different capabilities of = congenital and=20 accidental (neurological) achromatopia could provide insight into what = role, if=20 any, that information plays - beyond constructing our color=20 consciousness.

------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C0175E.FA2B99E0-- From artemishae@yahoo.com Wed Sep 6 01:03:48 2000 From: artemishae@yahoo.com (Kelly Symes) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:03:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: <20000906000348.26704.qmail@web4201.mail.yahoo.com> That guy was named funius Gage and he acted differently because the rod gave him a frontal lobotomy so he no longer had the decision process before he acted. His emotions were truley unleashed. I don't know that he necessarily saws the world any different, unless maybe people acted differently towards him because of it and that cause him to see his environment and self-worth differently --- chris mismash wrote: > Im sure this question has been asked and answered a > 1000 times, but never to > me. I have, in many a classes, been given the > example of the man who was a > nice steel worker, and then one day, whap! a metal > pole through the middle > of the head. From then on he had a whole new > personality, and saw the world > from what could truly be though of as new eyes. My > question is this, im not > so concerned if he has a sole, and if so why does > the brain affect it... im > much more interested in how much effect massive > brain trauma can have on the > congnitive process. If some one is brain damaged, > do the actually, > cognitivly, process the world different, or are they > merely less able to > express how they process it. If the latter, then > why would their entire > view points change. If the former, what parts of > the body are the most > influenced by physical trauma (not to mention > emotional). Are their > studies showing brain activity to lend to a > conclusion, one way or the > other? > CM > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own > public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From artemishae@yahoo.com Wed Sep 6 01:06:03 2000 From: artemishae@yahoo.com (Kelly Symes) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:06:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: <20000906000603.10876.qmail@web4205.mail.yahoo.com> I do like laptops and I think that they might be a good idea, but then you get into the economic issues, and what people want to pay attention to. I don't think that a computer should ever take the place of a teacher though. Why wouldn't somebody just take internet classes or learn on their own? --- Lexi Monroe wrote: > Lexi Monroe > Psych 3120 > > When I think of Cognitive psychology, I think of > learning. I found an > interesting article in the USA Today on August 31. > It was titled "Laptops > are no longer a luxury for students". This brought > to my attention that > many schools now are requiring laptops in the > classroom to increase > learning. A school in New Hampshire had a rise in > S.A.T. scores of 90 > points since reequiring laptops. The issue is > whether effective learning is > achieived because of the attention and immediate > feedback that a laptop > provides or does it provide easier access to more > material. Have we reached > a point where real effective learning requires > excitement? Can we not learn > as effectively anymore in the schools through > listenening and just taking > notes? To me, what it comes down to is much of > learning is dependent on the > attention that one gives the learning material. So, > laptops are going to > tend to grab people's attention more effectively > than listening and writing > everything down. Are laptops more effective > teachers than actual teachers? > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own > public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From artemishae@yahoo.com Wed Sep 6 01:06:47 2000 From: artemishae@yahoo.com (Kelly Symes) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:06:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] A little confused Message-ID: <20000906000647.26974.qmail@web4201.mail.yahoo.com> Did you click on the reserved reading button again, after entering the password? --- J Doonan wrote: > Professor Strayer said the password was "open > sesame," > but I still had problems accessing the e-reserve > readings so what I did was download them at the > Marriott Library, you don't need the password there. > > > > --- Becky Alder wrote: > > Hey what password did you use to get into the > > reading materials? I keep > > getting a Java box asking for a password. Can you > > help? > > thanks > > > > Becky Alder > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "mike brooks" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 10:53 AM > > Subject: [Psych3120] A little confused > > > > > > > I need to know how to go back in and use the > > "digest" version of the > > e-mail > > > posts, I don't want to read over 100 e-mails a > > day. I am also confused > > > about all of the readings, for example: the > > "visual system" reading is > > > broken down into 3 readings, are we expected to > > read them all as one or > > are > > > they listed separately? > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail > at > > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > Share information about yourself, create your > own > > public profile at > > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Psych3120 mailing list > > > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Psych3120 mailing list > > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from > anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From viper@xmission.com Wed Sep 6 02:03:52 2000 From: viper@xmission.com (Corey Raemer) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 19:03:52 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Finius Cage Message-ID: <39B597F8.B6DBB113@xmission.com> When the railroad spike passed through Finius Cage it severed the connection between his limbic system and his prefrontal cortex. The spike passed through at about his cheek area and came out on top of his head. (the smithsonian has his skull and the spike) It was unfortunate for him but for science he was a walking model of what happens when the prefrontal cortex is not functioning properly in everyday life. The limbic system is a area of the brain which is very old and is not much more evolved than that of a lizard brain. What scientist learned from Cage was that the prefrontal cortex controls our impulses. Without this control the simplist thing would upset cage or cause him to go into a rage which he never used to do. The limbic system would send out signals of emotional rage and anger and Cage had no logic in whether or not to act on these impulses so he suffered from emotional outbursts which were not logical. I saw a documentry on current research which is being done to determine the functioning of the prefrontal cortex in murderers and serial killers. What they have found from MRI and other scans is that people who are convicted killers seem to have lower activity in their prefrontal cortical regions. Without its control telling the Limbic systems impulses "No" these impulses are more easily acted upon. There has also been research done on young kids in early teen years to determine the level of there prefrontal cortical functions and they have found that this region is still developing into teen years. This may explain the impulsivity of teenagers to engage in certain activities which are unsafe or dangerous to themselves or others. From gsl9@hotmail.com Wed Sep 6 02:11:37 2000 From: gsl9@hotmail.com (Greg Leigh) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 19:11:37 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] color blind Message-ID: As far as being colorblind, I have been tested as red/green colorblind and/or all colors, all hues colorblind (I'm not quite sure which is more accurate, it's been a while), but I can't see the difference between blue and purple either. Keep in mind, however, that just because someone is red/green colorblind, doesn't mean that they don't have problems with other colors. In fact, I can see a basic red and a basic green. I only have problems when colors are close in shade to other colors. The only color I can't see is purple. It looks blue to me as well. Also, as far as what I know from genetics, and I could be wrong, since colorblindness is a disorder passed from grandfather through the mother to the son (on the X chromosome), the recipient will get whatever disorder the grandfather had. So, it would seem to me that the absence of either of the red or green cones (which lead to red/green colorblindness) are either dominant or more frequently passed on. It would seem possible, though unlikely, that if people with that disorder didn't have any kids, and those who had an absence of the blue cone passed it on more, it would be more common. I would think that because the absence of either of the first two lead to the colorblindness, that particular disorder becomes more commonly passed along, but not necessarily by probability. In other words, there probably isn't an even distribution of colorblindness with respect to the three cones to make a probability statement, or whatever caused the disorder in the first place affected the other two more often. Does that make any sense? Greg >From: "Kelly Rennie" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] color blind >Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 12:50:53 MDT > >Can Your friend still see reds? If so, then the red component of the >purple >color is intact and it would, by default, have to be the blue cones that >were missing. > >I have a question, if anyone is familiar with genetics. Could the >red/green >color blindness be the most common of the deficiencies due to probability? >What I mean is, there are only three kinds of cones, and either one of two >of those cones needs to be affected for red/green color blindness, which >would give a 2/3 chance of color blindness, if you were just randomly >choosing cones. Does that make sense? Any comments? > > >>From: "laura barron" >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>Subject: [Psych3120] color blind >>Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 12:33:02 MDT >> >>i have a friend that is color blind, but cna't see any difference between >>blue and purple. are the blue cones missing that cause the vision >>problem? >> >>-laura barron 00037675 >> >> >>From: "F.C.S. S.L.C." >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>Subject: [Psych3120] Achromatopsia >>Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 18:04:07 GMT >> >>If someone has a brain injury and becomes colorblind (like the colorblind >>painter), will they still be able to see color in their dreams, memories. >>_________________________________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >> >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>http://profiles.msn.com. >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Psych3120 mailing list >>Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 >> >>_________________________________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >> >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>http://profiles.msn.com. >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Psych3120 mailing list >>Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From rlovat2@hotmail.com Wed Sep 6 04:47:39 2000 From: rlovat2@hotmail.com (Rachel Marie Lovato) Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 03:47:39 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] laser surgery Message-ID: This is in response to Alexis's question regarding lasik surgery. I had an eye appointment last month and out of curiosity I asked my doctor about lasik surgery. He was very open and honest about the whole procedure. He told me that someone at my age (22) would be the perfect candidate because I would get the benefits of the surgery for a long amount of time. He explained to me however that I would be able to see far-away for a long time but eventually I would have trouble seeing close-up. It was something about your eyes losing their flexibility. I am not sure if he meant because of the surgery, or if he meant due to the aging process. He described many of the symptoms that you (Alexis) described below happening once reaching a certain age. Now my doctor doesn't do the process, but he does refer people to certain doctors. He has said that he has seen very few side-effects and most people come out with better than 20/20 vision, a miracle in his opinion--but it wouldn't stop the eventual loss of vision. That is why at 22 I would benefit because I would be glasses free for many years. I hope this answers your questions. Rachel Lovato ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Alexis Paulos" Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] laser surgery Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 14:17:40 MDT About six months ago my mom had laser eye surgery. This surgery allowed for her vision to be corrected at long distances. However, after having the surgery she is now unable to see close up. Her whole perception has changed. She has had to "relearn" tasks that require close up vision, as well as replace her old glasses with reading glasses to aid her in seeing these small tasks. For a little while after the surgery she had headaches and felt generally disoriented. She now has become use to the changes but some days her vision goes cloudy and other days she can see relatively well close up and faraway My question is. . .is this normal for laser eye surgery? And if so why is this corrective surgery so inconsistent? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From rlovat2@hotmail.com Wed Sep 6 05:08:55 2000 From: rlovat2@hotmail.com (Rachel Marie Lovato) Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 04:08:55 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] color blind Message-ID: This is in response to Greg's posting about color blindness. My husbands brother is colorblind. We are all great friends and we get together a lot. One of our favorite activities is playing a Nintendo game called Mario Party, anyway it is quite humorous to me because he is red/green colorblind and he has trouble distinguishing between Mario who is red, and Luigi who is green. There are many boards that depend on color that he struggles with those as well. He is quite a good sport about it all, and he usually ends up winning anyway..but we enjoy giving him a hard time about it. (His mother's father is colorblind and that is where he probably inherited it.) He does have a problem with some purples as well--they look blue to him and consequentially he sometimes needs help dressing, because he sometimes can't tell when things match or not. He will sometimes argue about what color something is..and I can't even imagine not being able to see the full spectrum....just one of those things that we take for granted. Rachel Lovato ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Greg Leigh" Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: Re: [Psych3120] color blind Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 19:11:37 MDT As far as being colorblind, I have been tested as red/green colorblind and/or all colors, all hues colorblind (I'm not quite sure which is more accurate, it's been a while), but I can't see the difference between blue and purple either. Keep in mind, however, that just because someone is red/green colorblind, doesn't mean that they don't have problems with other colors. In fact, I can see a basic red and a basic green. I only have problems when colors are close in shade to other colors. The only color I can't see is purple. It looks blue to me as well. Also, as far as what I know from genetics, and I could be wrong, since colorblindness is a disorder passed from grandfather through the mother to the son (on the X chromosome), the recipient will get whatever disorder the grandfather had. So, it would seem to me that the absence of either of the red or green cones (which lead to red/green colorblindness) are either dominant or more frequently passed on. It would seem possible, though unlikely, that if people with that disorder didn't have any kids, and those who had an absence of the blue cone passed it on more, it would be more common. I would think that because the absence of either of the first two lead to the colorblindness, that particular disorder becomes more commonly passed along, but not necessarily by probability. In other words, there probably isn't an even distribution of colorblindness with respect to the three cones to make a probability statement, or whatever caused the disorder in the first place affected the other two more often. Does that make any sense? Greg >From: "Kelly Rennie" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] color blind >Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 12:50:53 MDT > >Can Your friend still see reds? If so, then the red component of the >purple >color is intact and it would, by default, have to be the blue cones that >were missing. > >I have a question, if anyone is familiar with genetics. Could the >red/green >color blindness be the most common of the deficiencies due to probability? >What I mean is, there are only three kinds of cones, and either one of two >of those cones needs to be affected for red/green color blindness, which >would give a 2/3 chance of color blindness, if you were just randomly >choosing cones. Does that make sense? Any comments? > > >>From: "laura barron" >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>Subject: [Psych3120] color blind >>Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 12:33:02 MDT >> >>i have a friend that is color blind, but cna't see any difference between >>blue and purple. are the blue cones missing that cause the vision >>problem? >> >>-laura barron 00037675 >> >> >>From: "F.C.S. S.L.C." >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>Subject: [Psych3120] Achromatopsia >>Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 18:04:07 GMT >> >>If someone has a brain injury and becomes colorblind (like the colorblind >>painter), will they still be able to see color in their dreams, memories. >>_________________________________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >> >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>http://profiles.msn.com. >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Psych3120 mailing list >>Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 >> >>_________________________________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >> >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>http://profiles.msn.com. >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Psych3120 mailing list >>Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jjfoust@ix.netcom.com Wed Sep 6 05:16:57 2000 From: jjfoust@ix.netcom.com (Jaime C. Foust) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 22:16:57 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Laptop Computers Message-ID: <39B5C539.55A2F23F@ix.netcom.com> While laptop computers may make taking notes in class easier, aid in research, and perhaps extend learning beyond what is taught inside the classroom, I do not feel they can successfully replace the one-on-one interaction between teachers and students. Laptops should not be required, because in a sense, you are trying to replace teaching and preparing lessons, and students who cannot afford to acquire a laptop may be excluded from a class. Jaime Foust Kelly Symes artemishae@yahoo.com Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:06:03 -0700 (PDT) I do like laptops and I think that they might be a good idea, but then you get into the economic issues, and what people want to pay attention to. I don't think that a computer should ever take the place of a teacher though. Why wouldn't somebody just take internet classes or learn on their own? --- Lexi Monroe wrote: > Lexi Monroe > Psych 3120 > > When I think of Cognitive psychology, I think of > learning. I found an > interesting article in the USA Today on August 31. > It was titled "Laptops > are no longer a luxury for students". This brought > to my attention that > many schools now are requiring laptops in the > classroom to increase > learning. A school in New Hampshire had a rise in > S.A.T. scores of 90 > points since reequiring laptops. The issue is > whether effective learning is > achieived because of the attention and immediate > feedback that a laptop > provides or does it provide easier access to more > material. Have we reached > a point where real effective learning requires > excitement? Can we not learn > as effectively anymore in the schools through > listenening and just taking > notes? To me, what it comes down to is much of > learning is dependent on the > attention that one gives the learning material. So, > laptops are going to > tend to grab people's attention more effectively > than listening and writing > everything down. Are laptops more effective > teachers than actual teachers? From rlovat2@hotmail.com Wed Sep 6 05:17:03 2000 From: rlovat2@hotmail.com (Rachel Marie Lovato) Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 04:17:03 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: This is in response to Kelly's message: I just have to throw my 2 cents in about internet classes. This semester I am taking my second internet class and I really enjoy them. I would take more classes online if I could. I enjoy these classes because I can do the work when it is convenient for me, if I get tired--I can stop when I am ready. I can contact the teacher easily through e-mail if I have any questions or comments..to me they are more accessible then other teachers that I have had. Both of these classes have interesting "online" chats and easy to follow outlines to aid in learning. I am not saying that laptops should replace teachers because these classes are successful due to the teachers behind them. Rachel Lovato ----Original Message Follows---- From: Kelly Symes Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: Re: [Psych3120] (no subject) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:06:03 -0700 (PDT) I do like laptops and I think that they might be a good idea, but then you get into the economic issues, and what people want to pay attention to. I don't think that a computer should ever take the place of a teacher though. Why wouldn't somebody just take internet classes or learn on their own? --- Lexi Monroe wrote: > Lexi Monroe > Psych 3120 > > When I think of Cognitive psychology, I think of > learning. I found an > interesting article in the USA Today on August 31. > It was titled "Laptops > are no longer a luxury for students". This brought > to my attention that > many schools now are requiring laptops in the > classroom to increase > learning. A school in New Hampshire had a rise in > S.A.T. scores of 90 > points since reequiring laptops. The issue is > whether effective learning is > achieived because of the attention and immediate > feedback that a laptop > provides or does it provide easier access to more > material. Have we reached > a point where real effective learning requires > excitement? Can we not learn > as effectively anymore in the schools through > listenening and just taking > notes? To me, what it comes down to is much of > learning is dependent on the > attention that one gives the learning material. So, > laptops are going to > tend to grab people's attention more effectively > than listening and writing > everything down. Are laptops more effective > teachers than actual teachers? > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own > public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From GloriaR@vmh.com Wed Sep 6 05:39:09 2000 From: GloriaR@vmh.com (Gloria Ruiz) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 22:39:09 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Achromatopsia Message-ID: <8271382AABECD311AAFA000629BEAFAB5111D2@VMHNT01> I agreed with you but she did not mentioned anything about dreaming. When you are dreaming you are not really consciously remembering, are you? I will like some opinions...Gloria Ruiz -----Original Message----- From: CatherineW123@aol.com [mailto:CatherineW123@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday September 05, 2000 4:27 PM To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Achromatopsia Ooopppss my computer sent a half finished message. Anyways, I think the guest speaker talked about that today. I think she said that people can remember and imagine colors for a while after the accident, but then the memories began to fade. I think it could be different with each individual though. _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 From stephenmadsen@hotmail.com Wed Sep 6 05:42:36 2000 From: stephenmadsen@hotmail.com (stephen madsen) Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 04:42:36 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] black nights in white satin Message-ID: The question of what really is the color of an object is very interesting indeed. All matter is made up of atoms, molecules, etc. Does matter even have a color or is all of it just a result of this bending of light to produce hues and "color". Another thought I have is why do we not see more of the spectrum. It is as if in the evolution of things we picked this small slice of the spectrum versus another. Why? Could it be that if we really did take in more and had less of a filtration system that our brains could not process all of the information. Any thoughts on this? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From GloriaR@vmh.com Wed Sep 6 05:47:10 2000 From: GloriaR@vmh.com (Gloria Ruiz) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 22:47:10 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: <8271382AABECD311AAFA000629BEAFAB5111D3@VMHNT01> As for me this is my first time, I haven't be at school in the last two years. All this is pretty new to me. I am really confused and it is kind of difficult to get use to this new era of technology, I like talking to the teacher face to face, but at the same time we need to go on otherwise we are left behind. I am getting use to these classes on line, and if I am honest I am kind of enjoying it!!Gloria Ruiz -----Original Message----- From: Rachel Marie Lovato [mailto:rlovat2@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday September 05, 2000 10:17 PM To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: Re: [Psych3120] (no subject) This is in response to Kelly's message: I just have to throw my 2 cents in about internet classes. This semester I am taking my second internet class and I really enjoy them. I would take more classes online if I could. I enjoy these classes because I can do the work when it is convenient for me, if I get tired--I can stop when I am ready. I can contact the teacher easily through e-mail if I have any questions or comments..to me they are more accessible then other teachers that I have had. Both of these classes have interesting "online" chats and easy to follow outlines to aid in learning. I am not saying that laptops should replace teachers because these classes are successful due to the teachers behind them. Rachel Lovato ----Original Message Follows---- From: Kelly Symes Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: Re: [Psych3120] (no subject) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:06:03 -0700 (PDT) I do like laptops and I think that they might be a good idea, but then you get into the economic issues, and what people want to pay attention to. I don't think that a computer should ever take the place of a teacher though. Why wouldn't somebody just take internet classes or learn on their own? --- Lexi Monroe wrote: > Lexi Monroe > Psych 3120 > > When I think of Cognitive psychology, I think of > learning. I found an > interesting article in the USA Today on August 31. > It was titled "Laptops > are no longer a luxury for students". This brought > to my attention that > many schools now are requiring laptops in the > classroom to increase > learning. A school in New Hampshire had a rise in > S.A.T. scores of 90 > points since reequiring laptops. The issue is > whether effective learning is > achieived because of the attention and immediate > feedback that a laptop > provides or does it provide easier access to more > material. Have we reached > a point where real effective learning requires > excitement? Can we not learn > as effectively anymore in the schools through > listenening and just taking > notes? To me, what it comes down to is much of > learning is dependent on the > attention that one gives the learning material. So, > laptops are going to > tend to grab people's attention more effectively > than listening and writing > everything down. Are laptops more effective > teachers than actual teachers? > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own > public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 From kwan_carrie@hotmail.com Wed Sep 6 07:10:36 2000 From: kwan_carrie@hotmail.com (Carrie Kwan) Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 00:10:36 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] color vision Message-ID: The lecture in class today was most interesting. Learning about color vision is fascinating, exciting, and scary at the same time. Although cases like Mr. I are rare. It is scary to think that a minor accident can render a person colorless in their vision. Some questions I have as I read "The Case of the Colorblind Painter," are what other explainations are there for Mr. I's increased sharpess of focus and night vision? If Mr. I went to the hospital and stayed there after his accident, under careful monitoring, could it have been possible for doctors to physically see the changes in his brain? Although Mr. I came out of the situation with a new perspective of the world and thinks of his experience a strange gift, I still wonder what if he was stablized physically after the accident insteading of moving around as usual, if that would have prevented his lost of color vision. I wonder about that because I hear stories about people who proceed on moving after an accident without knowing they are injured. In one case, a man turned around casually and broke his neck and died. He may have survived if he stayed still and received medical attention but since he didn't know any better, he moved when he shouldn't have, and it costed his life. These are just some of my questions, I know there are no definite answers to many of them at this point, but I still wonder. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From garffdog@hotmail.com Wed Sep 6 07:26:15 2000 From: garffdog@hotmail.com (matt garff) Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 00:26:15 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] visual system Message-ID: During the lecture today I was reminded of how complex and specialized the visual system is. When a person has a stroke and it affects their speech, different parts of the brain can pick up the slack and compensate for the part of the brain that is affected. Learning and reading about the colorblind painter made me realize that when the visual system is damaged, that's it. There is no "back-up" system. I guess the visual processing system takes up too much space for there to be a redundant system. MATT GARFF 00144838 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From mkarni@hotmail.com Wed Sep 6 08:25:19 2000 From: mkarni@hotmail.com (melissa karnik) Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 01:25:19 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] color perception deficits Message-ID: Todays lecture was very interesting to me. It doesn't happen very often that individuals take the time to think about what it would really be like to have a color deficit (retinal/cortical). I can't imagine losing what seems to be such a necessary tool for day to day life. I know that having color deficit doesn't make an individual's world completely dysfunctional, however, it would be very traumatic to lose color vision in way that the color blind painter did. I have an uncle who became color blind completely in his early thirties due to an accident. It was quite an adjustment for him, to say the least. My aunt helped him adjust in many ways. She had read a book many years ago about a person with a color deficit, before this happened to my uncle, and followed the ideas in the novel to help him distinguish objects (e.g. clothing). This involved great organization on behalf of my aunt and uncle, but most importantly, my uncle felt more independent and regained his confidence about himself and his life. Similar to the color blind painter, I remember him talking a great deal about trying to force himself to see the blue sky or his red house and becoming so frustrated. Today, he is quite stable and has adapted to the change that he involuntarily endured. It's hard to imagine what this would be like to have to experience such a loss. It also makes you consider what it would be like to see through someone else's eyes and how perception would play a role but wouldn't seem to pull through in such a case. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jsd1022@yahoo.com Wed Sep 6 14:40:40 2000 From: jsd1022@yahoo.com (J Doonan) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 06:40:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: <20000906134040.38071.qmail@web9209.mail.yahoo.com> We talked in class on Tuesday a little about the opponent processing theory. This reminds me of a story I read or heard somewhere. Apparently a popular butcher shop remodeled the building and with that came a new paint job inside. There after the business experience a sharp decline in business. Someone speculated the reason why is that the walls were painted such a color that after staring at the walls while in line and then getting up to the counter to make the purchase the meat then suddenly looked a repulsivke color, it had a greenish hue. The problem was apparently recognized and the walls were repainted. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From mkarni@hotmail.com Wed Sep 6 16:48:53 2000 From: mkarni@hotmail.com (melissa karnik) Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 09:48:53 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Color Anomia & Color-Object Associations Message-ID: Yesterday lecture by Dr. Sarah Creem was excellent. I found a great deal of interest in it probably because I know someone personally who deals with Achromatopsia (complete loss of color). However, I'm not sure if I'm confused about the last two deficits she talked about... Color Anomia and Impaired Color-Object Associations. From what I understand, Color Anomia is a deficit in naming colors. A person suffering from this would be able see a color but wouldn't be able to give it the right name. Right? Is that individual actually seeing the correct color? And an individual with Impaired Color-Object Associations would also be able to look at an object and give the right color name, but later on a written test wouldn't be able to determine the correct color. Is this right? Just a thought...it seems like Impaired Color-Object Assoc. is almost a learning/memory deficit if the individual can see an object and give it the correct name, but later can't. If I am totally off, or misunderstanding everything please let me know. #00154462 M.Karnik _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From ham070@hotmail.com Wed Sep 6 17:45:19 2000 From: ham070@hotmail.com (amber kresser) Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 10:45:19 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] losing color Message-ID: after the guest lecture i was thinking about what it would be like to not see color again. but mostly about how wierd it would be to lose the memory of what orange or blue actually looks like. i was thinking that if i were to ever lose my color vision, i would try to write down something about every color i could remember and try to somehow retain it that way. it is crazy how much we rely on our sense of vision to help us get by, i wonder if you lost color vision, if other senses become more specialized to compensate for the loss?? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From viper@xmission.com Wed Sep 6 18:32:29 2000 From: viper@xmission.com (Corey Raemer) Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 11:32:29 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Color Blindness Message-ID: <39B67FAD.3C47C1C9@xmission.com> As I confirmed yesterday I am red green colorblind. When I looked at the pattern I didn't see an 8 but I clearly saw a three. the other test where others saw a number I couldn't make out anything. What does this mean. I clearly now what color red is and what color green is. Tomatos are red, grass is green. I have no problems finding a red or green crayon in a bucket. Is it because I have been conditioned by society to know that the tomatos are red and grass is green or does this mean that I just can't distinquish those colors as clearly as somebody with normal color vision. when Sara presented the slide which was backwards so that those of us with red green colorblindness could make out a number and those you with normal color vision couldn't, I didn't see a thing. Is this pretty normal? Anybody have any ideas on the subject, I am just curios as to why I am color deficient but when she gave us the other test which only red green colorblind people could detect I detected nothing. From must_09@hotmail.com Wed Sep 6 19:40:59 2000 From: must_09@hotmail.com (mike brooks) Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 12:40:59 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] night vision Message-ID: I was reading through last weeks readings and had an interesting thought, th readig was talking about when driving down a road at night and seeing the cats reflective eyes, they called it the "tapetum" And if any of you have seen the movie "pitch black" one of the characters had a surgery to implant a tapetum. My questuion is if anyone has read any literature about any attempts to actually perform this surgery on a human or even if it was possible. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From alexispaulos@hotmail.com Wed Sep 6 21:49:01 2000 From: alexispaulos@hotmail.com (Alexis Paulos) Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 14:49:01 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Colorblind Painter Message-ID: In the story about the colorblind painter it talks about how the painter lost his color vision completely as well as his ability to mentally imagine colors. I do not understand this. . .how can he remember everything else about his life, yet have lost the ability to recall color when color was his livelihood. In the reading it also said he could not imagine things in their actual color he could only remember them in what his new vision would see it as. For example when he tried to imagine a tomato he could picture the shape, but the color was black. I don't understand this. Does anyone else have a clue about this? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kimcrocheron@mail.com Wed Sep 6 21:57:22 2000 From: kimcrocheron@mail.com (Kim Crocheron) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 16:57:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Laptop Computers Message-ID: <380261927.968273846271.JavaMail.root@web184-iw> I like the idea of laptops in the classroom. If it replaced having to purchase books I would be in. It seems as though you can buy something like a laptop for as much as we are charged for textbooks. I don't think it seems very realistic though. ------Original Message------ From: "Jaime C. Foust" To: "Class Message Board (Psychology)" Sent: September 6, 2000 4:16:57 AM GMT Subject: [Psych3120] Laptop Computers While laptop computers may make taking notes in class easier, aid in research, and perhaps extend learning beyond what is taught inside the classroom, I do not feel they can successfully replace the one-on-one interaction between teachers and students. Laptops should not be required, because in a sense, you are trying to replace teaching and preparing lessons, and students who cannot afford to acquire a laptop may be excluded from a class. Jaime Foust Kelly Symes artemishae@yahoo.com Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:06:03 -0700 (PDT) I do like laptops and I think that they might be a good idea, but then you get into the economic issues, and what people want to pay attention to. I don't think that a computer should ever take the place of a teacher though. Why wouldn't somebody just take internet classes or learn on their own? --- Lexi Monroe wrote: > Lexi Monroe > Psych 3120 > > When I think of Cognitive psychology, I think of > learning. I found an > interesting article in the USA Today on August 31. > It was titled "Laptops > are no longer a luxury for students". This brought > to my attention that > many schools now are requiring laptops in the > classroom to increase > learning. A school in New Hampshire had a rise in > S.A.T. scores of 90 > points since reequiring laptops. The issue is > whether effective learning is > achieived because of the attention and immediate > feedback that a laptop > provides or does it provide easier access to more > material. Have we reached > a point where real effective learning requires > excitement? Can we not learn > as effectively anymore in the schools through > listenening and just taking > notes? To me, what it comes down to is much of > learning is dependent on the > attention that one gives the learning material. So, > laptops are going to > tend to grab people's attention more effectively > than listening and writing > everything down. Are laptops more effective > teachers than actual teachers? _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 ........................................................ iWon.com http://www.iwon.com why wouldn't you? ........................................................ From stephenmadsen@hotmail.com Wed Sep 6 22:05:06 2000 From: stephenmadsen@hotmail.com (stephen madsen) Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 21:05:06 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] Mr. I and rods and cones Message-ID: If I am not mistaken it is the cones that detect color. In response to a question posted here, Mr. I seemed to have lost his use of cones. Rods in general are more contrast oriented. Remember the example in class about looking at stars at night? If you look directly at the star, there is less contrast than if you look slightly off of center from the star. This is where most of the rods lye. On the subject of Mr. I. What a tragic case indeed. I can't imagine a world with out color after spending my life so far knowing color. It would especially be difficult if one was a painter. Stephen _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From AnnieJ312@aol.com Thu Sep 7 00:34:10 2000 From: AnnieJ312@aol.com (AnnieJ312@aol.com) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 19:34:10 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] colorblindness Message-ID: <84.a71d832.26e82e72@aol.com> This message is in response to J Doonans questions about colorblindness. While I can't shed any personal light on the subject, since I'm not colorblind myself...I do know some of the other answers to your questions. We're talking about this very thing in another one of my classes and it is in fact true that colorblindness is usually inherited from the mother. The gene for colorblindness is a sex-linked recessive gene that is found on the 23rd chromosome and it's usually an X. Since women have 2 X's it's usually just recessive, but if they pass it on to a son...the gene is expressed by him since he's a Y. It gets kind of technical, but there is a way for women to be colorblind, but it would be really hard to get genes to match up the right way for that gene to be expressed. So it would seem that a lot of women actually have the gene for colorblindness...but because it's recessive, it doesn't show up. Men on the other hand get it as a dominant gene and so it affects their vision. Hope that helps. 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------=_NextPart_000_00A6_01C0182E.25603C40-- From jjfoust@ix.netcom.com Thu Sep 7 02:17:17 2000 From: jjfoust@ix.netcom.com (Jaime C. Foust) Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 19:17:17 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Colorblind Painter Message-ID: <39B6EC9D.4AC648BD@ix.netcom.com> Alexis, I am with you. It is difficult for us to fathom this situation because we live in a world where we see color. No matter where we look it is there. I would be very interested to hear comments from anyone who does understand this. I can't image what it would feel like to look at a tomato and not see red. What does it feel like to look at something and not even be able to imagine that it has a color? If he is so depressed that his whole world is gray, wouldn't he have to have some recollection of colors existing? Alexis Paulos alexispaulos@hotmail.com Wed, 06 Sep 2000 14:49:01 MDT In the story about the colorblind painter it talks about how the painter lost his color vision completely as well as his ability to mentally imagine colors. I do not understand this. . .how can he remember everything else about his life, yet have lost the ability to recall color when color was his livelihood. In the reading it also said he could not imagine things in their actual color he could only remember them in what his new vision would see it as. For example when he tried to imagine a tomato he could picture the shape, but the color was black. I don't understand this. Does anyone else have a clue about this? From jonnyutah@mindspring.com Thu Sep 7 03:04:29 2000 From: jonnyutah@mindspring.com (Jon Lindberg) Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 20:04:29 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Timpanogas Vertigo References: Message-ID: <39B6F7AD.D03B808@mindspring.com> Hi All! Okay, can someone please explain this to me!!! My wife and I hiked to the summit of Mt. Timpanogas in Utah county this weekend, and at the top we both experienced something I have never really experienced before. While walking along the summit ridge, when our heads were down looking on the trail the sky and landscape in our peripheral vision was moving quite fast. In fact, it became nauseating and we had to slow our descent and remain as focused on the trail as possible, while attempting to ignore what was happening in our periphery. Any thoughts? From jjfoust@ix.netcom.com Thu Sep 7 05:28:00 2000 From: jjfoust@ix.netcom.com (Jaime C. Foust) Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 22:28:00 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Is my blue your green? Message-ID: <39B71950.38A32ECC@ix.netcom.com> I was thinking about colorblindness tonight, and it is such an unimaginable thing for me. I have no idea what it would be like to be colorblind. But while thinking about this, I started to think that when I look at grass, I see green; however, someone else may look at grass and see what I know as yellow, but they call it green also. So basically we see the same object, and call it the same color, but we may see two completely different colors. So essentially, my green may be your blue. Does that make even an ounce of sense? Jaime From salari_ali@hotmail.com Thu Sep 7 07:54:36 2000 From: salari_ali@hotmail.com (Ali Salari) Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 00:54:36 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Is my blue your green? Message-ID: Along this line of thinking. About the color blind painter. Since he did at one point have normal color vision, is it possible for him to eventually begin to adapt to experiencing the normal color range. For example, if he perceived a banana as blue and he knew it was actually yellow, could he assume that everything he sees as blue now is actually yellow for normal color vision. Or would blue be a different color to him depending on what he was looking at? >From: "Jaime C. Foust" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: "Class Message Board (Psychology)" >Subject: [Psych3120] Is my blue your green? >Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 22:28:00 -0600 > >I was thinking about colorblindness tonight, and it is such an >unimaginable thing for me. I have no idea what it would be like to be >colorblind. But while thinking about this, I started to think that when >I look at grass, I see green; however, someone else may look at grass >and see what I know as yellow, but they call it green also. So >basically we see the same object, and call it the same color, but we may >see two completely different colors. So essentially, my green may be >your blue. Does that make even an ounce of sense? > >Jaime > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From mismash1@hotmail.com Thu Sep 7 15:07:27 2000 From: mismash1@hotmail.com (chris mismash) Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 08:07:27 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Vision??? What is it really? Message-ID: I dont think this is the case. What your eyes percievee as blue is actually a meterial that absorbes curtain wavelengths in the electromagnetic spectrum. So the color really exists, it just might not be the one your eyes percieve... >From: Mike Baker >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] Vision??? What is it really? >Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 09:21:27 -0700 (PDT) > >Wow, reading these last few readings have really >taught me a lot about what I am seeing, but I am a >little confused about something? If anyone can help >I'd really appreciate it. >So everything that we see is just the effects of >electromagnetic reactions right? So is color a >physical thing or just a perception? If I toch a blue >shirt am I in reality just touching some blank >material and I only think or perceieve that I am >touching something that is blue?? > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! >http://mail.yahoo.com/ > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From mismash1@hotmail.com Thu Sep 7 15:13:52 2000 From: mismash1@hotmail.com (chris mismash) Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 08:13:52 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Is my blue your green? Message-ID: Funny thing is I was also thinking about being color blind yesterday night. This thougt crossed my mind for the reading "Rods provide us with achromatic vision rather than color vision" this quote came after showing that in very low light levels only rods can respond with an image. So late last night i tested it, all the lights were out and I sat on my bed. Sure enough after a moment i could see the stuff in my room, but it was all in greyscale. For the first time I realized what black and white vision is like. My question is this, am i seeing black and white in the dark because i am only able to use my achromatic rods to see in low light, or because there is not enough light present to refract back from colored surfaces for me to see them. CM >From: "Ali Salari" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Is my blue your green? >Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 00:54:36 MDT > >Along this line of thinking. About the color blind painter. Since he did >at one point have normal color vision, is it possible for him to eventually >begin to adapt to experiencing the normal color range. For example, if he >perceived a banana as blue and he knew it was actually yellow, could he >assume that everything he sees as blue now is actually yellow for normal >color vision. Or would blue be a different color to him depending on what >he was looking at? > > >>From: "Jaime C. Foust" >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>To: "Class Message Board (Psychology)" >>Subject: [Psych3120] Is my blue your green? >>Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 22:28:00 -0600 >> >>I was thinking about colorblindness tonight, and it is such an >>unimaginable thing for me. I have no idea what it would be like to be >>colorblind. But while thinking about this, I started to think that when >>I look at grass, I see green; however, someone else may look at grass >>and see what I know as yellow, but they call it green also. So >>basically we see the same object, and call it the same color, but we may >>see two completely different colors. So essentially, my green may be >>your blue. Does that make even an ounce of sense? >> >>Jaime >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Psych3120 mailing list >>Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From mismash1@hotmail.com Thu Sep 7 15:18:04 2000 From: mismash1@hotmail.com (chris mismash) Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 08:18:04 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Colorblind Painter Message-ID: Have you ever known someone for a long time, but not seen them for months. Try remembering exact detail about their face, how did the look exactly? I never can do it, my brain skewes their face..id imagine it would be somthing like that. Why that happens at all I'm not sure. CM >From: "Alexis Paulos" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] Colorblind Painter >Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 14:49:01 MDT > >In the story about the colorblind painter it talks about how the painter >lost his color vision completely as well as his ability to mentally imagine >colors. I do not understand this. . .how can he remember everything else >about his life, yet have lost the ability to recall color when color was >his >livelihood. In the reading it also said he could not imagine things in >their >actual color he could only remember them in what his new vision would see >it >as. For example when he tried to imagine a tomato he could picture the >shape, but the color was black. I don't understand this. Does anyone else >have a clue about this? >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From A.Cahoon@m.cc.utah.edu Thu Sep 7 17:11:55 2000 From: A.Cahoon@m.cc.utah.edu (A Cahoon) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:11:55 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: I finally got around to reading chapter 3, the visual system and I found a few things that were really fascinating. I never thought of color as a psychological reaction. I never thought of amplitude and brightness as the same thing, but they are, only one we experience and the other we don't. I also thought it was interesting that darker pigmentation is more effective in restricting the incoming light than lighter pigmentation. It almost makes me wish my eyes were brown instead of blue. One more thing I found interesting was that horses have two fovea in each eye and can see directly ahead and at the ground at the same time. Life must be a very different experience looking through an animal's eye. Amy Cahoon #00077943 From kmarc1@yahoo.com Thu Sep 7 19:43:25 2000 From: kmarc1@yahoo.com (Marcus Kimsey) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:43:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Colorblind Painter Message-ID: <20000907184325.24981.qmail@web204.mail.yahoo.com> In regards to how the Mr. I could no longer picture color, my understanding is that the part of his brain that processes colors was damaged, simply for him there were no more colors. He had memory of colors but could not form those colors even internally, becuase the processing center responsible for doing that was no longer functioning. So while he could remember that a tomato is red he couldn't see or picture a red tomato, only the black one. Our reading has also talked about the reconstructive nature of memory. . . some cues are stored, then we put the rest of the scene, object, or situation together based on other stored and current information. After a time of all of Mr. I's visual information coming in as black and white the monochromatic images began to overlay even his memories so that the very memory of color, undamged as it was, began to fade. Of course this is just my interpretation of the information presented in the reading, if I'm wrong let me know, if I'm right, I hope this helps to clarify the issue. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From mismash1@hotmail.com Thu Sep 7 19:10:07 2000 From: mismash1@hotmail.com (chris mismash) Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 12:10:07 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Color Anomia & Color-Object Associations Message-ID: Ya I also thought that the latter (non retnal) forms of color impairment seemed to be very non sight related. Both seemed more related to language issues in my opinion (any quite odd if you ask me) CM >From: "melissa karnik" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] Color Anomia & Color-Object Associations >Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 09:48:53 MDT > >Yesterday lecture by Dr. Sarah Creem was excellent. I found a great deal >of >interest in it probably because I know someone personally who deals with >Achromatopsia (complete loss of color). However, I'm not sure if I'm >confused about the last two deficits she talked about... Color Anomia and >Impaired Color-Object Associations. From what I understand, Color Anomia >is >a deficit in naming colors. A person suffering from this would be able see >a color but wouldn't be able to give it the right name. Right? Is that >individual actually seeing the correct color? And an individual with >Impaired Color-Object Associations would also be able to look at an object >and give the right color name, but later on a written test wouldn't be able >to determine the correct color. Is this right? > >Just a thought...it seems like Impaired Color-Object Assoc. is almost a >learning/memory deficit if the individual can see an object and give it the >correct name, but later can't. If I am totally off, or misunderstanding >everything please let me know. > >#00154462 >M.Karnik >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kmarc1@yahoo.com Thu Sep 7 19:50:08 2000 From: kmarc1@yahoo.com (Marcus Kimsey) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:50:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Mr. I and rods and cones Message-ID: <20000907185008.14214.qmail@web218.mail.yahoo.com> > If I am not mistaken it is the cones that > detect color. In response to > a question posted here, Mr. I seemed to have lost > his use of cones. Actually, Mr. I's cones were working just fine, nothing had happened to his retinas. He could distinguish different wavelengths of light as qualites and textures of gray, and as the illumination on an object changed his rods reacted appropriately to the alteration proportions of incoming wavelengths. What he lost was his brain's ability to translate that wavelength information into colors. This is why the green glasses helped him to see in regular daylight or in watching TV, they turned all incoming information into essetially one wavelength so that his cones were no longer sending his brain information that was in essence confusing and nonsensical. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From jasonwlogsdon@hotmail.com Thu Sep 7 20:04:12 2000 From: jasonwlogsdon@hotmail.com (Jason Logsdon) Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 13:04:12 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] laser surgery Message-ID: I had vision correction surgery too. I love it. I've had no problems and I have better than 20/20 vision. I think sometimes problems can develope but I've heard it is in only about 5 to 10% of the cases. If you go with a good doctor you greatly reduce your risk. Jason Logsdon From: "Alexis Paulos" Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] laser surgery Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 14:17:40 MDT About six months ago my mom had laser eye surgery. This surgery allowed for her vision to be corrected at long distances. However, after having the surgery she is now unable to see close up. Her whole perception has changed. She has had to "relearn" tasks that require close up vision, as well as replace her old glasses with reading glasses to aid her in seeing these small tasks. For a little while after the surgery she had headaches and felt generally disoriented. She now has become use to the changes but some days her vision goes cloudy and other days she can see relatively well close up and faraway My question is. . .is this normal for laser eye surgery? And if so why is this corrective surgery so inconsistent? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kmarc1@yahoo.com Thu Sep 7 20:10:00 2000 From: kmarc1@yahoo.com (Marcus Kimsey) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:10:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Timpanogas Vertigo Message-ID: <20000907191000.21250.qmail@web209.mail.yahoo.com> --- Jon Lindberg wrote: > Hi All! > > Okay, can someone please explain this to me!!! My > wife and I hiked to the > summit of Mt. Timpanogas in Utah county this > weekend, and at the top we both > experienced something I have never really > experienced before. While walking > along the summit ridge, when our heads were down > looking on the trail the sky > and landscape in our peripheral vision was moving > quite fast. In fact, it > became nauseating and we had to slow our descent and > remain as focused on the > trail as possible, while attempting to ignore what > was happening in our > periphery. Any thoughts? > The vertigo you experienced was the result of your eyes disagreeing with your inner ear. You peripheral vision sees clouds, etc, moving by quicly and concludes that you are moving fast. The motion of the fluids in the semi-circular canals of your inner ear tells your brain that you are actually only moving at a walking pace. The confusion caused by conflicting information results in the feeling of vertigo. You can have fun with this effect, lie down at the foot of a sheer cliff or the wall of a relatively tall building on a day when high level winds are strong. The cliff or wall restricts your vision so that mostly you see the quickly moving clouds, a visual cue that you are moving fast, meanwhile your inner ear tells your brain the real story, in attempting to reconcile the information your brain does some odd things. You may experience vertigo or a falling sensation, but to most people it appears as though the cliff or building is moving. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From trichardson@acs.utah.edu Thu Sep 7 20:16:39 2000 From: trichardson@acs.utah.edu (Richardson, Tim) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:16:39 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Blindsight Message-ID: In class it showed a person with blindsight able to reach for the object in his blind spot and touch or grasp the object with his hand in the shape of the object. Had he already touched the object? and was the sound coming from where the object was? Or does the person know where his/her blind spot is and reaches for that spot? From JRWoods@aol.com Thu Sep 7 20:14:53 2000 From: JRWoods@aol.com (JRWoods@aol.com) Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 15:14:53 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] Blindsight Message-ID: <90.95f129c.26e9432d@aol.com> Today's lecture on vision (9/7) cleared up a number of misconceptions that I and others seem to have held concerning blindsight. I now understand that it is damage or trauma to the primary visual cortex that causes the deficit in visual awareness, but does not completely impede the individuals ability to direct action toward an object within the damaged field. I would like to know if it is necessary to know all the names and connections between the areas of the brain or is it more important to know the diseases and how they effect us? Chris F. From gleim@uswest.net Thu Sep 7 20:46:07 2000 From: gleim@uswest.net (The Gleim's) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:46:07 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Thursday lecture Message-ID: <006101c01904$44541aa0$e869e03f@gliem> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C018D1.F92BC280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The lecture today was extremely interesting. =20 I had no idea what a complex pathway our vision actually takes. The deficits that=20 she mentioned were so strange to grasp. 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------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C018D1.F92BC280-- From garffdog@hotmail.com Thu Sep 7 21:21:30 2000 From: garffdog@hotmail.com (matt garff) Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 14:21:30 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] mr i's cones Message-ID: In response to a message posted, If I recall correctly, Mr I's cones worked. The problem was in the brain. The information made it to the brain, but the brain could not code it with the color information. MATT GARFF 00144838 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From CatherineW123@aol.com Thu Sep 7 23:03:55 2000 From: CatherineW123@aol.com (CatherineW123@aol.com) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 18:03:55 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] Blindsight Message-ID: <94.936fb6e.26e96acb@aol.com> From my impression I do not think the subject had previously touched the object and like it was mentioned in class people are not aware of their blind spot (I think). Even if they knew where their blind spot was they would not be able to position their hand at the correct angle and size for gripping the object. I don't think the sound was coming from that way, but even if it was they would have no idea as to the size of the object or if the object was round, flat, vertical etc. The subject they showed seemed perfectly able to judge how small or large they should position their hand and what shape the object was. From Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com Thu Sep 7 23:12:57 2000 From: Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com (Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:12:57 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Thursday lecture Message-ID: I too found that phenomenon very interesting, but something puzzled me about it. If he can see objects but not recognize them, how come he could recognize his wife by the shoes she was wearing? He definitely new it was her, once she spoke, but he had some idea that it was her by her shoes. This made me think. Could they be conditioned to remember objects through therapy? Leonard Cancel #00180520 >---------- >From: The Gleim's[SMTP:gleim@uswest.net] >Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 1:46 PM >To: Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] Thursday lecture > >The lecture today was extremely interesting. >I had no idea what a complex pathway >our vision actually takes. The deficits that >she mentioned were so strange to grasp. >The fact that you can visually see something >yet be unable to identify it is mind boggling, >especially in respect to the man in the video >who couldn't recognize his wife. > >Although, if you really think about it, with >such a complex and intricate system with so many >area's of the eye and brain working together, >it is amazing that more people >don't have deficits. There are just so >many places and ways that something can >go wrong. > >Heather Gleim #00067221 > > > > > > >
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> From jameshaymond@hotmail.com Thu Sep 7 23:22:10 2000 From: jameshaymond@hotmail.com (james haymond) Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 18:22:10 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] visual agnosia Message-ID: The video clip we watched today in class of the man with visual agnosia intregued me. I didn't know that there are two systems for vision, one for recognizing "what" as well as one for the "where and "how". Perhaps further research will reveal that there are more than two systems. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Norrisrachel@aol.com Fri Sep 8 00:52:50 2000 From: Norrisrachel@aol.com (Norrisrachel@aol.com) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 19:52:50 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] Achromatopsia Message-ID: <9a.9628106.26e98452@aol.com> I don't think if someone is colorblind they can see color in their dreams because it mentioned in the colorblind painter that when he closed his eyes that he saw everything in black and white. I don't know if this is because he just remembers what he saw that day, or if he can go back in his mind and remember what it used to be like to see color? From Ryanjg76@cs.com Fri Sep 8 01:22:46 2000 From: Ryanjg76@cs.com (Ryanjg76@cs.com) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:22:46 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] visual agnosia Message-ID: <5a.a6ca5b3.26e98b56@cs.com> In response to your statement, I would just like to agree with you. I too learned a great deal about the "Where/How" which is the Dorsal upper part of the brain and the "What" which is the Ventral lower part of the brain. The video was indeed interesting, however, someone in class asked if the person could simply use the process of elimination to find the object in the blindspot since he knew that he had the problem before the experiment began. I felt unsatisfied with the instructors answer to the question. During the video I noticed that the man reached in the same direction and in doing so found the objects in the blindspot every time. Why couldn't he have used the process of elimination or at least learned where to reach/grab through simply the process of repetition (grabbing in the same area frequently)? He had a number of different shapes, but they were in the same place every time. Am I wrong to assume such a thing? Ryan G. From M.Burchett@m.cc.utah.edu Fri Sep 8 01:12:17 2000 From: M.Burchett@m.cc.utah.edu (Michele Burchett) Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 18:12:17 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Color Blindness References: <39B67FAD.3C47C1C9@xmission.com> Message-ID: <39B82EE1.9EEB07@m.cc.utah.edu> Hey Corey, Here are my thoughts on this issue you presented. Possibly where you were sitting in the room and the lighting of the "Test" influenced what you saw. If you couldn't see the second image (of the 73), it probably means you are not truly red-green colorblind. As for the "3"/"8" dilemma, the part of the 8 that made it an 8 and not a 3 was tricky to detect. Especially given the lighting of the area where the test occured. It was a different shade of the same color that made up the rest of the 8. My suggestion would be for you to take a real color blind test (I know they have them somewhere in the Beh Science tower, go ask the PAC office, maybe they can help.) I'm sure if you take a real test under the actual condition they are intended to be administered, it will clear up a lot for you. After all, everything we see is being filtered through a bluish light in that classroom because of the computer projector. It's not an accurate test. Don't worry about anything until you take an accurate test. Corey Raemer wrote: > As I confirmed yesterday I am red green colorblind. When I looked at > the pattern I didn't see an 8 but I clearly saw a three. the other > test > where others saw a number I couldn't make out anything. What does > this > mean. I clearly now what color red is and what color green is. > Tomatos > are red, grass is green. I have no problems finding a red or green > crayon in a bucket. Is it because I have been conditioned by society > to > know that the tomatos are red and grass is green or does this mean > that > I just can't distinquish those colors as clearly as somebody with > normal > color vision. when Sara presented the slide which was backwards so > that > those of us with red green colorblindness could make out a number and > those you with normal color vision couldn't, I didn't see a thing. Is > > this pretty normal? Anybody have any ideas on the subject, I am just > curios as to why I am color deficient but when she gave us the other > test which only red green colorblind people could detect I detected > nothing. > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 From M.Burchett@m.cc.utah.edu Fri Sep 8 01:27:29 2000 From: M.Burchett@m.cc.utah.edu (Michele Burchett) Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 18:27:29 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Is my blue your green? References: Message-ID: <39B83270.97CE8362@m.cc.utah.edu> I think it's both. There isn't enough light at night to activate the cones which means there is very little light reflecting off the surfaces for the cones to detect even if they were activated. Since there is little light reflecting off the objects, there is no color (or little color) to detect. It's an interesting thought to contemplate what the world would look like if the cones only needed a low amount of light to become activated. After all, a low amount of light wouldn't reflect much color and everything would appear differently. Kinda like things appear differently in the shade or by candlelight. In these cases there is enough light to activate the cones, but not enough light reflecting off the object to give us a true idea of its color. Any thoughts on this? chris mismash wrote: > Funny thing is I was also thinking about being color blind yesterday > night. > This thougt crossed my mind for the reading "Rods provide us with > achromatic > vision rather than color vision" this quote came after showing that in > very > low light levels only rods can respond with an image. So late last > night i > tested it, all the lights were out and I sat on my bed. Sure enough > after a > moment i could see the stuff in my room, but it was all in greyscale. > For > the first time I realized what black and white vision is like. My > question > is this, am i seeing black and white in the dark because i am only > able to > use my achromatic rods to see in low light, or because there is not > enough > light present to refract back from colored surfaces for me to see > them. > > CM > > >From: "Ali Salari" > >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Is my blue your green? > >Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 00:54:36 MDT > > > >Along this line of thinking. About the color blind painter. Since > he did > >at one point have normal color vision, is it possible for him to > eventually > >begin to adapt to experiencing the normal color range. For example, > if he > >perceived a banana as blue and he knew it was actually yellow, could > he > >assume that everything he sees as blue now is actually yellow for > normal > >color vision. Or would blue be a different color to him depending on > what > >he was looking at? > > > > > >>From: "Jaime C. Foust" > >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >>To: "Class Message Board (Psychology)" > > >>Subject: [Psych3120] Is my blue your green? > >>Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 22:28:00 -0600 > >> > >>I was thinking about colorblindness tonight, and it is such an > >>unimaginable thing for me. I have no idea what it would be like to > be > >>colorblind. But while thinking about this, I started to think that > when > >>I look at grass, I see green; however, someone else may look at > grass > >>and see what I know as yellow, but they call it green also. So > >>basically we see the same object, and call it the same color, but we > may > >>see two completely different colors. So essentially, my green may > be > >>your blue. Does that make even an ounce of sense? > >> > >>Jaime > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Psych3120 mailing list > >>Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >>http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Psych3120 mailing list > >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 From gleim@uswest.net Fri Sep 8 02:42:20 2000 From: gleim@uswest.net (The Gleim's) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 19:42:20 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Thursday lecture Message-ID: <000801c01936$08476940$8969e03f@gliem> I hadn't thought of that. But you're right it would make sense that through therapy they could be conditioned to remember objects. I had forgotten that the man was able to remember her shoes, why wouldn't he have recognized her dress, purse, or hair? Is it possible that his deficit could be that descriminating? Or did he just remember her putting those shoes on that morning? Heather Gleim 00067221 -----Original Message----- From: Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Date: Thursday, September 07, 2000 4:10 PM Subject: RE: [Psych3120] Thursday lecture >I too found that phenomenon very interesting, but something puzzled me >about it. If he can see objects but not recognize them, how come he >could recognize his wife by the shoes she was wearing? He definitely >new it was her, once she spoke, but he had some idea that it was her by >her shoes. This made me think. Could they be conditioned to remember >objects through therapy? > >Leonard Cancel #00180520 > >>---------- From klmacurdy@hotmail.com Fri Sep 8 04:06:37 2000 From: klmacurdy@hotmail.com (Karen Macurdy) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 03:06:37 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] Achromatopsia Message-ID: I have a brother-in-law who is blind. He used to have partial vision, but now he is total (completely blind, not even light and dark vision). He has been total for more than five years now, and most of his dreams are without pictures. But every once in awhile, he will dream about people the way he used to be able to see them. However, I don't know if this would also be the case for people who acquired achromatopsia suddenly because my brother-in-law's shift to total blindness was a problem with the eye and the optic nerve, not with the visual processing, no there wasn't brain damage involved. So he does dream in pictures still, but the pictures are blurry, like they were to him when he had partial vision. Karen Leishman >From: Norrisrachel@aol.com >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Achromatopsia >Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 19:52:50 EDT > >I don't think if someone is colorblind they can see color in their dreams >because it mentioned in the colorblind painter that when he closed his eyes >that he saw everything in black and white. I don't know if this is because >he just remembers what he saw that day, or if he can go back in his mind >and >remember what it used to be like to see color? > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Mad4madimac@aol.com Fri Sep 8 05:50:15 2000 From: Mad4madimac@aol.com (Mad4madimac@aol.com) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:50:15 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] Achromatopsia Message-ID: <68.72009c7.26e9ca07@aol.com> I don't know if this is what you were saying, but I thought that Pro. Strayer said that people who had this condition could remember colors for a while, but after a time, colors left them completely, he couldn't keep the colors in his memory. Madison #00155404 From Mad4madimac@aol.com Fri Sep 8 05:57:55 2000 From: Mad4madimac@aol.com (Mad4madimac@aol.com) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:57:55 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] visual agnosia Message-ID: <81.651437.26e9cbd3@aol.com> Ryan, I thought that the objects were in the same place every time as well. But as I kept looking for them to change, I thought that they were put a little to the left and to the right also, a little higher. I guess this may be as you say, that the objects had to be in his blind spot each time. I had a feeling for the Prof. answer to this today. I think that what she was trying to say was that although they have a blind spot, they are not aware of it. Like we are not aware of our blind spot because our mind fills it in. I was thinking that the blind spot is not significant to him until he cannot see an object that is plain to everyone else. Am I far off? Madison #00155404 From rebeccareed@netzero.net Fri Sep 8 07:31:12 2000 From: rebeccareed@netzero.net (Rebecca Reed) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 00:31:12 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] agnosia Message-ID: <39B887B0.C8B518DD@netzero.net> I thought it was absolutely amazing that someone can have damage to the brain and agnosia be the only result. I think that guy on the video we watched today in class was very lucky that that is all that happened to him. I'd be interested in knowing exactly what happened in his accident. Rebecca Reed ____________NetZero Free Internet Access and Email_________ Download Now http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html Request a CDROM 1-800-333-3633 ___________________________________________________________ From kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Fri Sep 8 08:37:56 2000 From: kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu (Kristin Ward) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 00:37:56 -700 Subject: [Psych3120] Split-Brain Patients Message-ID: <200009080637.AAA18045@meretrix.csbs.utah.edu> Sometimes, in severe cases of epilepsy, it becomes necessary to sever the corpus callosum (the bridge between brain hemispheres). This effectively makes the left and right brain into two separate systems. The patient still receives all of the visual information from both visual fields because the optic chiasm (which is in front of the corpus callosum) remains intact, but can no longer share the information between hemispheres after processing has occured. What effect do you think this has on visual perception and the individual's interaction with his or her visual environment? Kristin From mismash1@hotmail.com Fri Sep 8 07:43:23 2000 From: mismash1@hotmail.com (chris mismash) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 00:43:23 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] RE: Thursday lecture Message-ID: From: "The Gleim's" Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Subject: [Psych3120] Thursday lecture Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:46:07 -0600 Ya i was blown away by this when i was doing my reading. The most amazing thing I saw was that a person could see the image of a shape in their hear, draw that shape on a piece of paper, then look at what they drew and not know what it is. I wonder if makes those that suffer from this nauseous, I often feel sick when i get disoriented .. this has got to drive them nuts! The thing i don't get is do they have any real long/short term association memory.. i mean show a dog a ball a few times and it will know what its looking at (proof would be using a specific item for a specific trick)... so i wonder if re-training the brain could help some of these people... ************************************* The lecture today was extremely interesting. I had no idea what a complex pathway our vision actually takes. The deficits that she mentioned were so strange to grasp. The fact that you can visually see something yet be unable to identify it is mind boggling, especially in respect to the man in the video who couldn't recognize his wife. Although, if you really think about it, with such a complex and intricate system with so many area's of the eye and brain working together, it is amazing that more people don't have deficits. There are just so many places and ways that something can go wrong. Heather Gleim #00067221 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From sweetfogs@hotmail.com Fri Sep 8 07:48:36 2000 From: sweetfogs@hotmail.com (Jaimie Cogswell) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 06:48:36 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] ugly food Message-ID: I was thinking about this week's lecture and how difficult it might be for someone to eat if all they saw was black, grays, and white. The colorblind painter obviously found it difficult to eat. My friend was making velveeta macaroni and cheese and her boyfriend put food coloring in the cheese when she was not looking. The entire meal ended up a puke green color and they found it very hard to eat (and to stop laughing). It is surprising how much color can influence our perception, especially on something like food. It's weird that one wouldn't be able to put the fact that the food wasn't the "right" color and just enjoy the food, but I guess eating is a total sensory event. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From mismash1@hotmail.com Fri Sep 8 07:54:07 2000 From: mismash1@hotmail.com (chris mismash) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 00:54:07 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Cones Rods & Black white Message-ID: Hmm good question. My guess is this, in the immediate area of the candle the cones are activated, thus showing the yellow flame. As the light is diffused through out the room most objects don't get enough to reflect back to our eye, thus the cones do not activate when looking at these objects. So im luminous areas color may be visible, but in lees luminous areas (even if just a few cm off) color may not be visible, relying on rods to interpret the object. I want to try testing it, i wonder if you had a candle and had an apple and put the apple very close to the candle if you could see the color. Then slowly move the apple away until you could not longer perceive its color... could make some nifty color vs luminosity index...(graph) CM ******************************************** From: Michele Burchett Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Is my blue your green? Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 18:27:29 -0600 I think it's both. There isn't enough light at night to activate the cones which means there is very little light reflecting off the surfaces for the cones to detect even if they were activated. Since there is little light reflecting off the objects, there is no color (or little color) to detect. It's an interesting thought to contemplate what the world would look like if the cones only needed a low amount of light to become activated. After all, a low amount of light wouldn't reflect much color and everything would appear differently. Kinda like things appear differently in the shade or by candlelight. In these cases there is enough light to activate the cones, but not enough light reflecting off the object to give us a true idea of its color. Any thoughts on this? chris mismash wrote: >Funny thing is I was also thinking about being color blind yesterday >night. >This thougt crossed my mind for the reading "Rods provide us with >achromatic >vision rather than color vision" this quote came after showing that in >very >low light levels only rods can respond with an image. So late last >night i >tested it, all the lights were out and I sat on my bed. Sure enough >after a >moment i could see the stuff in my room, but it was all in greyscale. >For >the first time I realized what black and white vision is like. My >question >is this, am i seeing black and white in the dark because i am only >able to >use my achromatic rods to see in low light, or because there is not >enough >light present to refract back from colored surfaces for me to see >them. > >CM > > >From: "Ali Salari" > >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Is my blue your green? > >Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 00:54:36 MDT > > > >Along this line of thinking. About the color blind painter. Since >he did > >at one point have normal color vision, is it possible for him to >eventually > >begin to adapt to experiencing the normal color range. For example, >if he > >perceived a banana as blue and he knew it was actually yellow, could >he > >assume that everything he sees as blue now is actually yellow for >normal > >color vision. Or would blue be a different color to him depending on >what > >he was looking at? > > > > > >>From: "Jaime C. Foust" > >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >>To: "Class Message Board (Psychology)" > > >>Subject: [Psych3120] Is my blue your green? > >>Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 22:28:00 -0600 > >> > >>I was thinking about colorblindness tonight, and it is such an > >>unimaginable thing for me. I have no idea what it would be like to >be > >>colorblind. But while thinking about this, I started to think that >when > >>I look at grass, I see green; however, someone else may look at >grass > >>and see what I know as yellow, but they call it green also. So > >>basically we see the same object, and call it the same color, but we >may > >>see two completely different colors. So essentially, my green may >be > >>your blue. Does that make even an ounce of sense? > >> > >>Jaime _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From mikebaker13@yahoo.com Fri Sep 8 16:35:07 2000 From: mikebaker13@yahoo.com (Mike Baker) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 08:35:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Dreaming in color Message-ID: <20000908153507.4270.qmail@web1604.mail.yahoo.com> In my dreams and others that I have spoken with think that our dreams are in color. I remember vividly a dream the other night that was in color. Is our brain creating the colors out of memory? Obviously we are asleep and are not physically experiencing the dream and our eyes are not open and seeing things. Where does this come from does anybody know? How does our perception of color effect our dreams>Mike Baker __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From mikebaker13@yahoo.com Fri Sep 8 16:41:24 2000 From: mikebaker13@yahoo.com (Mike Baker) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 08:41:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Dreaming in color Message-ID: <20000908154124.17990.qmail@web1602.mail.yahoo.com> In my dreams and others that I have spoken with think that our dreams are in color. I remember vividly a dream the other night that was in color. Is our brain creating the colors out of memory? Obviously we are asleep and are not physically experiencing the dream and our eyes are not open and seeing things. Where does this come from does anybody know? How does our perception of color effect our dreams>Mike Baker __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From amark2@uswest.net Fri Sep 8 17:45:30 2000 From: amark2@uswest.net (mark archibald) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:45:30 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] blindsight Message-ID: <001701c019b4$332d7a40$76eaa0d8@0017140944> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C01981.E8717880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fascinating, I don't think the researchers would have motive to deceive = the viewers. It did seem that the objects were in close proximity each = time but, when their grip changed to the shape of the object, that = pretty much erased my doubts. M A ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C01981.E8717880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Fascinating, I don't think the = researchers would=20 have motive to deceive the viewers. It did seem that the objects were in = close=20 proximity each time but, when their grip changed to the shape of the = object,=20 that pretty much erased my doubts. M A
------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C01981.E8717880-- From ethanfinley@hotmail.com Fri Sep 8 17:57:37 2000 From: ethanfinley@hotmail.com (Ethan Finley) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 10:57:37 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Development of Color Vision Message-ID: I had a question that sort of integrates the material from this course, and the material from another course I am taking, Psychology of Childhood and Adolescent Development. We talked today in my development course about the idea of a Genotypic potential for a range of developmental responses. We also discussed how some developmental responses (i.e. a baby's sucking response, babbling, etc.) are more ingrained than others, and are harder for environmental factors to divert. My question is this: If an infant was placed in an environment which was not nourishing to their ability to percieve color, (i.e. a black-and-white environment), would their ability to see color be impaired, even though they may have been born with healthy eyes and visual-neural pathways??? Would such early sensory deprivation permanently impaire their ability to perceive color? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Thurie@aol.com Fri Sep 8 18:03:30 2000 From: Thurie@aol.com (Thurie@aol.com) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:03:30 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] Am I color blind? Message-ID: I am kind of slow sending this message, but on Tuesday when the guest speaker put up those dot pictures where we were supposed to see certain numbers within them, I didn't do so well. The one that was an 8, I could see as a 3, but know way a 8. The one that was a 7, I could barely see any differences between the colors of the picture, but the test to see if you were color blind I failed. I didn't see the 73 at all. I know that I am not totally colorblind and as far as I know my clothes always match, but do I have some sort of partial color blindness maybe? From E.J.Dickerson@m.cc.utah.edu Fri Sep 8 18:36:52 2000 From: E.J.Dickerson@m.cc.utah.edu (E.J.Dickerson@m.cc.utah.edu) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:36:52 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Photoreceptors Message-ID: <20000908173652.1302553AF2@dorothy.ks.cc.utah.edu> I find is amazing that our eyes see color that ours brains actually perceive. The three different photoreceptors or photopigments which are ultimately responsible for recognizing wavelengths specific for their type allow us to see color. What happens when wavelengths which may be shorter or longer than what the photoreceptor can handle hit the photopigment. For example, when a short wavelength hits a medium wavelength photoreceptor ? Does it simulate the photoreceptor at all or just not enough to cause hyperpolarization? Also, how would photoreceptors see fast moving obejects? How does speed effect how we see color? From amark2@uswest.net Fri Sep 8 18:45:46 2000 From: amark2@uswest.net (mark archibald) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:45:46 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Am I color blind? References: Message-ID: <000901c019bc$9f8ae580$76eaa0d8@0017140944> could be Dichromatism, though mainly in males, can't believe you had'nt noticed before. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 11:03 AM Subject: [Psych3120] Am I color blind? > I am kind of slow sending this message, but on Tuesday when the guest > speaker put up those dot pictures where we were supposed to see certain > numbers within them, I didn't do so well. The one that was an 8, I could see > as a 3, but know way a 8. The one that was a 7, I could barely see any > differences between the colors of the picture, but the test to see if you > were color blind I failed. I didn't see the 73 at all. I know that I am not > totally colorblind and as far as I know my clothes always match, but do I > have some sort of partial color blindness maybe? > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From marcisparks@hotmail.com Fri Sep 8 19:11:59 2000 From: marcisparks@hotmail.com (Marci Sparks) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 12:11:59 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Sensitivity of the brain Message-ID: Throughout the things that people keep discussing regarding Finius Cage and Mr. I, I can't help but think of other people who have had problems because of damage to certain areas of the brain. Boxers and football players for example, my father was a semi professional boxer for many years, and now suffers from MS. No correlation has ever been made to brain damage in people who have MS, but, there have been speculations that because of the breakdown of the blood brain barrier when they were hit in the head, certain toxins got into the brain, and may cause the neural problems that they now have. It is purely speculation at this point, but, I do find it interesting, because, I could see toxins entering through the blood brain barrier being the cause of many unexplainable neurological disorders. Look at Mohammad Ali for example, studies have been conducted with football players and boxers, that have shown that they are affected in more ways than was realized a few years ago because of being hit in the head. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From rosemary420@hotmail.com Fri Sep 8 19:55:48 2000 From: rosemary420@hotmail.com (Rosemary Russo) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:55:48 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] Face Recognition Message-ID: I found a research article from the Massachusetts General Hospital about new information on how our brain reacts when we see faces of people. In the article it says that they used an fMRI to analyze areas of brain activity when participants would look at pictures of different people and say what gender the person was. They found that activity in the amygdla increased when participants saw pictures of people from a different race then they were themselves. They haven't concluded anything from the study, but it seems rather interesting to me that brain activity increased within an area of the brain that has been connected to fear and alarm. This might begin to provide a biological basis for irrational prejudice, or maybe explain some other things related to social psych. ~Rosemary Russo~ #00086213 P.S. If anyone wants to read the article its at: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2000/08/000825081924.htm _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jlallatin@yahoo.com Fri Sep 8 20:20:08 2000 From: jlallatin@yahoo.com (Jon Lallatin) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:20:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Finius Cage Message-ID: <20000908192008.2396.qmail@web5204.mail.yahoo.com> --- Corey Raemer wrote: > When the railroad spike passed through Finius Cage > it severed the > connection between his limbic system and his > prefrontal cortex. The > spike passed through at about his cheek area and > came out on top of his > head. (the smithsonian has his skull and the spike) > It was unfortunate > for him but for science he was a walking model of > what happens when the > prefrontal cortex is not functioning properly in > everyday life. The > limbic system is a area of the brain which is very > old and is not much > more evolved than that of a lizard brain. What > scientist learned from > Cage was that the prefrontal cortex controls our > impulses. Without this > control the simplist thing would upset cage or cause > him to go into a > rage which he never used to do. The limbic system > would send out > signals of emotional rage and anger and Cage had no > logic in whether or > not to act on these impulses so he suffered from > emotional outbursts > which were not logical. I saw a documentry on > current research which is > being done to determine the functioning of the > prefrontal cortex in > murderers and serial killers. What they have found > from MRI and other > scans is that people who are convicted killers seem > to have lower > activity in their prefrontal cortical regions. > Without its control > telling the Limbic systems impulses "No" these > impulses are more easily > acted upon. There has also been research done on > young kids in early > teen years to determine the level of there > prefrontal cortical functions > and they have found that this region is still > developing into teen > years. This may explain the impulsivity of > teenagers to engage in > certain activities which are unsafe or dangerous to > themselves or > others. > >Because I find this subject very interesting I would like to make a comment to Corey. (In fact I find it so interesting that the name of the band that I make music with is called "Phineas Gage"). His story is just a glimpse into an understanding of what the human body really is and what its purpose is. First of all, imagine having a car that works so well that you never have to fix it. Soon you begin to forget that it needs taking care of and eventually neglect it all together. On some future day it breaks down. Sure it still works but it is now unreliable. Why? What went wrong? The possibilities are endless from the head gasket to no gass! Yes it can be fixed(hopefully) by someone who knows how. But it can be simply explained just by saying the car was not taken care of(accidently or purposely). If anyone were to accidently or purposely disturb the processes of the body, especially the brain, the evidence has shown that control of those processes goes down in correspondence with the level of injury. In the case of Phineas Gage, he had little to no control of his emotions. So what does this tell us about the purpose of the body? In short, the body is a vehicle that needs taken care of so that it responds how we want it to respond. BUT, is the car to blame for its condition when it breaks down? Nah. I'd say it's the person behind the wheel who is responsible. The some goes for the body(excluding an accident of course). _____________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 From jlallatin@yahoo.com Fri Sep 8 20:26:41 2000 From: jlallatin@yahoo.com (Jon Lallatin) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:26:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] work tests Message-ID: <20000908192641.14698.qmail@web5205.mail.yahoo.com> --- CatherineW123@aol.com wrote: > I worked in retail for a long time and did display's > for store windows and I > never was given a color blindness test. I also had a > friend who was > colorblind and he never realized it until he was > older and started to think > that maybe he was seeing things different from other > people. > > _I worked in retail too. Why would they give you a colorblind test? Maybe we are all colorblind and people that are labeled as such are the normal ones. Hmmmm.______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 From kimcrocheron@mail.com Fri Sep 8 21:57:34 2000 From: kimcrocheron@mail.com (Kim Crocheron) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 16:57:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Thursday's lecture Message-ID: <383284334.968446655872.JavaMail.root@web184-iw> The guy in the video was able to recognize his wife's shoes, and so maybe they can be trained to remember certain things. He also could make associations, which I thought was interesting. He knew that if he could find a sign that said in or out that he would probably be able to find the taxi line. I think this is so interesting. I am also curious about what part of the brain he had a stroke in, I would assume it was near the occipital lobe. ........................................................ iWon.com http://www.iwon.com why wouldn't you? ........................................................ From wilson624@hotmail.com Fri Sep 8 22:38:53 2000 From: wilson624@hotmail.com (alanna wilson) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 15:38:53 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] color blindness Message-ID: So Dichromatism is a color definciency at the retina level. Why is it more common in males than in females? Why, in general, do males suffer from color blindness more than females? In the case of this one photopigment is missing and the most common color blindness in red/green. The cones that are absent are the medium (green) and the long (red) ones. If someone has this type of colorblindness what does the person actually see since they can't see red or green? Do they see black, grey, or a mixture of colors? Take for example a fire truck. Now everyone knows that fire trucks are red. Since a person with dichromatism can't see red what color do they see? In other words, do they know the truck is red and just can't see the color? Does anyone have the answer to this question? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From CatherineW123@aol.com Sat Sep 9 04:18:35 2000 From: CatherineW123@aol.com (CatherineW123@aol.com) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 23:18:35 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] Thursday lecture Message-ID: <96.96665b6.26eb060b@aol.com> I am thinking he probably just remembered her putting on her shoes, or that is the one thing he mentioned remembering. From CatherineW123@aol.com Sat Sep 9 04:20:00 2000 From: CatherineW123@aol.com (CatherineW123@aol.com) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 23:20:00 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] visual agnosia Message-ID: Like you I also thought that the man in the video was unaware of is blind spot. From CatherineW123@aol.com Sat Sep 9 04:23:05 2000 From: CatherineW123@aol.com (CatherineW123@aol.com) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 23:23:05 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] Dreaming in color Message-ID: Someone once told me that some people dream in black and white while other people dream in color. Does anyone know if this is true? From CatherineW123@aol.com Sat Sep 9 04:27:57 2000 From: CatherineW123@aol.com (CatherineW123@aol.com) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 23:27:57 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] Development of Color Vision Message-ID: I think that if a baby was placed in a room with only black and white for the first few years of their life, later in life they might not be able to see color. In one psychology class they talked about a young girl who was severely abused and she had been locked in a basement and had no interaction with others. When someone finally found out about this and removed her from the basement she never learned to speak fully and after extensive therapy could only string together three words. Maybe color vision would be similar to this? From jonnyutah@mindspring.com Sat Sep 9 07:01:10 2000 From: jonnyutah@mindspring.com (Jon Lindberg) Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 00:01:10 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Cool new technology References: Message-ID: <39B9D226.3941919C@mindspring.com> I tried sending this from another location than my home, so if this is the second time you have seen it, please forgive me. I was reading through my new issue of Popular Mechanics for 10/00 today and came across something that is rather applicable to our discussion of the eye. Evidently, scientists in Brussels have created a new type of visual assistance device for the blind. This device is a camera, which is mounted on a pair of glasses. This camera transmits the image it sees to via a short range radio transmitter to a surgically implanted receiver. The neat thing about the receiver is that rather than connecting it to the patients visual cortex, it is connected to the patiens optical nerve. Pretty neat, eh? I have one question though. Do you think the reason that they connected the receiver to the optical nerve rather than the visual cortex is because of the complexity and delicate nature of the visual cortex? The article didn't say, but I thought it was worth mentioning here anyway. Hopefully some of the visually impaired people I work with can be fitted with this device in the next ten to fifteen years. If anyone is interested in the article, its on page 22 of the October 2000 Popular Mechanics. From jefbruwid@excite.com Sat Sep 9 16:47:27 2000 From: jefbruwid@excite.com (Jeff Widdison) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 08:47:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] RE: Thursday lecture Message-ID: <6842668.968514447345.JavaMail.imail@prickles> I agree with Heather on this one. It is amazing why people don't have more problems with their visual sytstem, especially since there is so much involved. One thing that this made me think was that even in such a complex process, the visual reaction is such a quick process. I would think to judge it's response you would messure in miliseconds. Does anyone know for sure how long the whole response takes? I am also an exercise and sports science major and one class that I took involved reactions and how long reactions take. I believe that the fastest human reaction timed in at .25 seconds. (that is hand response). The fastest human reaction is sight which on average takes about .18 seconds. Does anyone else have any stats that they could add? Or maybe corrections to what I have said? Jeff Widdison #00153153 > ************************************* > The lecture today was extremely interesting. > I had no idea what a complex pathway > our vision actually takes. The deficits that > she mentioned were so strange to grasp. > The fact that you can visually see something > yet be unable to identify it is mind boggling, > especially in respect to the man in the video > who couldn't recognize his wife. > > Although, if you really think about it, with > such a complex and intricate system with so many > area's of the eye and brain working together, > it is amazing that more people > don't have deficits. There are just so > many places and ways that something can > go wrong. > > Heather Gleim #00067221 > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From viper@xmission.com Sat Sep 9 17:57:40 2000 From: viper@xmission.com (Corey Raemer) Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 10:57:40 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Split brain Patients Message-ID: <39BA6C04.89312895@xmission.com> I am not sure if I am right but in regards to Kristins question "how would a severed corpus collosum effect and individual". I would imagine that this person would not be able to associate what they processed. For example if the smell of a fruit was stored on one side of the brain, and the shape and taste of the fruit was stored on the other, the patient would not be able to associate that information together to come to conclusion of what fruit was in front of them. Is this correct? Corey From mattdhubby@hotmail.com Sat Sep 9 19:54:16 2000 From: mattdhubby@hotmail.com (matt wilson) Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 12:54:16 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] psych3120 Message-ID: Have you ever wondered what life would be like if you were color blind? Not even completely color blind, just partially. Have you ever asked someone who is color blind to describe what it's like? They can't,it's all they've ever known. If you've never tasted an apple can you describe what an apple tastes like? Of course not. It is the same for them. What they see is normal to them. But can you imagine the problems that would result from being even partially color blind? My brother-in-law is partially color blind. He can't tell the difference between red and green or blue and purple. This presented a real problem for him while he was living in Japan because the way their stop lights are arranged is completely different. In America he had memorized the position of the lights, so it wasn't a problem, but when he first got to Japan he almost killed himself several times because he was confused as to which light was which. When you hear about cases like this it makes you far more appreciative of the gift of perfect eyesight. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From garffdog@hotmail.com Sat Sep 9 20:57:59 2000 From: garffdog@hotmail.com (matt garff) Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 13:57:59 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: The following is an interesting question. I don't have the answer but I know that babies born deaf will make noise up to a certain age, and then because of lack of stimuli they stop.(They don't hear any noises so they can't attempt to mimick them, and that portion of their brain doesn't develop). I would imagine that it would be similar for babies that are deprived of visual information. I can't say for sure, but atrophy seems to take it's toll on all of our systems. MATT GARFF 00144838 From: "Ethan Finley" To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 10:57:37 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Development of Color Vision Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu I had a question that sort of integrates the material from this course, and the material from another course I am taking, Psychology of Childhood and Adolescent Development. We talked today in my development course about the idea of a Genotypic potential for a range of developmental responses. We also discussed how some developmental responses (i.e. a baby's sucking response, babbling, etc.) are more ingrained than others, and are harder for environmental factors to divert. My question is this: If an infant was placed in an environment which was not nourishing to their ability to percieve color, (i.e. a black-and-white environment), would their ability to see color be impaired, even though they may have been born with healthy eyes and visual-neural pathways??? Would such early sensory deprivation permanently impaire their ability to perceive color? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dgrappe@bitcorp.net Sat Sep 9 22:34:34 2000 From: dgrappe@bitcorp.net (Derrel and Magen Grappendorf) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 00 15:34:34 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Billboards & Magazines are made of dots Message-ID: <200009092128.PAA08793@bitcorp.net> I think I have a good example of an additive mixture. If you look at magzine pictures with a magnify glass you can see that they are made up of little dots (Cyan, Yellow, Blue, Black- I think). Without the magnifying glass all you see is a regular picture. Instead of mixing colors (like the subtractive mixtures), they use the lights from different parts of the spectrum to reflect the desired colors. Billboards, cereal boxes, news papers are all done in the same manner. Dot-Matrix printers print in the same manner. Does that make sense? I thought it was pretty cool. From tkulio@hotmail.com Sat Sep 9 23:05:00 2000 From: tkulio@hotmail.com (Theresa Kulikowski) Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 16:05:00 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: >From: Kristin Ward >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) >Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:38:12 -700 > >Random question of the day: Why do the eyes of some nocturnal animals >(housecats, for example) reflect light while ours do not? > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 I wonder if cat's eyes reflect light b/c they see black and white and don't have cones to absorb the initial light. It is not absorbed by the rods, and so it is just reflected back. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From ilikeduplos@hotmail.com Sun Sep 10 16:05:05 2000 From: ilikeduplos@hotmail.com (Erica Fleming) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 09:05:05 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] blind spot Message-ID: I thought the lecture on Thurs. about the Blind spot was very interesting. The video that we say amazed me and make me really begin to wonder why people have such problems. It seems that it is psychological because they can see everything else but just one spot. But then at the same time perhaps there is just one small thing wrong in one section of their brain. The whole this is truly new to me because I have heard about blind spots but only when it came to the blind spot of a car. You know, when your driving and you have a certain spot in your car that makes it hard to see another car. But to have a real blind spot in life is really unfortunate. Once again going back to the man in the video (you know the one who couldn't recognize his wife, faces, words an so on) that was so sad to see. I know that his condition was far beyond a blind spot, but I just can't imagine not being able to recall such essential things in life. For instance, he couldn't even recognize his own face! How can that be? Do you just completely forgett who you are and what you look like? Is it like amnesia to the eyes or what? It was also very sad to see him trying to get out of the stainstation. How confusing and frustrating and scary life must be when you just walk around wondering if your going the right way and just hoping to make it home. I'll bet it's almost worse than being blind because your in a sort of middle stage where things are even more difficult because you can see but you just don't understand what exactly it is that you see. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From ethanfinley@hotmail.com Sun Sep 10 18:21:53 2000 From: ethanfinley@hotmail.com (Ethan Finley) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:21:53 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Re: Cool new technology Message-ID: I was very interested in this message. It seems to me that it would make sense for the radio receiver to be attached to the optic nerve. This mechanism would accomplish the same "sensory" part of the visual experience that the eye does. It feeds sensory information (light) into the primary neural network. One problem with this system, however, is that, as far as I can see, it would be of no help to those with V1 (primary visual cortex) damage. It would only help people who are blind due to an occular problem. Still, this technology is fascinating! I particularly like the idea of using short wave radio to transmit the sensory information, as opposed to some wire-based system. I have a feeling that this type of technology could perhaps someday be used to provide primary sensory information for people who are deaf as well? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From candyphi@hotmail.com Sun Sep 10 19:02:36 2000 From: candyphi@hotmail.com (candyphi nguyen) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:02:36 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] Thursday's lecture Message-ID: I think that's it amazing to see the different between visual agnosia and blindsight. For visual agnosia, you are aware of things but you could not see very well. The guy showed for visual agnosia can read each individual letter but can not read the whole word, or he aware of the location of the building, and the exit but he couldn't not see the taxi line. People with blindsight can touch the tennis ball with awareness that it's round but they see things unconsciously. Like if you are thirsty and see a glass of beer, may be you will pick it up and drink it but people with blindsight won't do that because they don't know for sure if that's a glass of beer or not. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kmarc1@yahoo.com Sun Sep 10 20:01:28 2000 From: kmarc1@yahoo.com (Marcus Kimsey) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:01:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Split-Brain Patients Message-ID: <20000910190128.2807.rocketmail@web221.mail.yahoo.com> I've seen some stuff on split brain patients, and it was very interesting. Apparently most of the time they function like everyone else, because they can see things with both eyes at once, so that both halves of their brian are engaged. If I remember correctly things get strange when one eye is covered. For example they could see something with just one eye and recognize it but not be able to say what it is because the name is stored on the other side of their brain. Or they might see something and know what to call it, but not know what to do with it for the same reason. Further this same deficit happens if they can only touch an object with one hand, with the opposite eye covered. Basically, it seems that is both halves of the brain are stimulated independently then almost everything functions normally, it's only when one half is stimulated at a time that their brain's inability to communicate between hemispheres is obvious. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From amberbarker@hotmail.com Sun Sep 10 21:45:34 2000 From: amberbarker@hotmail.com (amber barker) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:45:34 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] Color Vision Message-ID: I suppose that if someone says they are "colorblind", it doesn't have to mean they cannot see any color at all, maybe just a few colors, or they get colors mixed up. For example, I knew a guy that was proclaimed colorblind, but now as we have talked about the color deficiencies in class, I think he may have had some specific colors he could not see. As with Dichromatism where one of the three pigments is missing and you can be red-green color blind and see the other colors. It is so interesting to note how they perceive the world in color, say how they see the colors that are combined with red or green. When we were doing the color tests in class, it sure made me realize how much I take for granted. I can see the full spectrum of color, I sure am lucky. But I would like to see, just for maybe an hour one day, how it is to see only certain colors and see in black and white. Wow, it must make quite the difference. Amber Barker 00067868 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From rstormy@hotmail.com Sun Sep 10 23:08:51 2000 From: rstormy@hotmail.com (randon storms) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 16:08:51 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Depth Perception Message-ID: My nephew has a condition called strabismus which is a disorder of the muscles of the eyes in which both eyes cannot be focused on the same point at the same time. This can be corrected by glasses. Without his glasses on, it causes his eyes to lose their focus on the same point. His left eye floats over to his periphery which can cause dizziness and depth perception problems because he is not able to use his binocular cues of convergence and binocular parallax. Because he cannot focus on one focal point, his eyes focus on two points at one time where each eye is looking at or focusing at. His glasses correct this by one side on his glasses have a stronger prescription than the other side since this is a muscular imbalance. Carolyn Storms 00040181 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu Mon Sep 11 01:19:43 2000 From: Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu (Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:19:43 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Color stuff Message-ID: <20000911001943.64F94532B7@dorothy.ks.cc.utah.edu> I browsed the internet looking for info about our perception of color as it applies to marketing and found some interesting stuff. How does color affect our buying behavior? Colors are psychological, influencing us to choose one product over another. Basically, in North American mainstream culture, the following qualities are associated with color: 7 Red: excitement, strength, sex, passion, speed, danger. 7 Blue: (listed as the most popular color) trust, reliability, belonging, coolness. 7 Yellow: warmth, sunshine, cheer, happiness 7 Orange: playfulness, warmth, vibrant 7 Green: nature, fresh, cool, growth, abundance 7 Purple: royal, spirituality, dignity 7 Pink: soft, sweet, nurture, security 7 White: pure, virginal, clean, youthful, mild. 7 Black: sophistication, elegant, seductive, mystery 7 Gold: prestige, expensive 7 Silver: prestige, cold, scientific Impulse shoppers respond best to red-orange, black and royal blue. Shoppers who plan and stick to budgets respond best to pink, teal, light blue and navy. Traditionalists respond to pastels - pink, rose, sky blue. One website advertized a book that tells the secrets behind: - Why fast food businesses use basically the same color scheme - Why red is the wrong color to use in ads targeting men It gave the example of a business that manufactured chocolates, sweets or anything edible with a sweet taste, that they should ideally have blue or mauve somewhere on the packet. It said that, psychologically, blue is the colour of sweetness. On the other hand you should never use green on the packet, [or in the advertising] because the mind perceives green as an astringent taste. From RGeofam06@cs.com Mon Sep 11 02:58:10 2000 From: RGeofam06@cs.com (RGeofam06@cs.com) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:58:10 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] visual agnosia Message-ID: <7d.a27336f.26ed9632@cs.com> Are conditions such as visual agnosia caused only by an injury to the brain, or are such conditions caused by a number of things, such as heredity? How common are they? From kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Mon Sep 11 04:11:23 2000 From: kgriffin2001@yahoo.com (Karen Griffin) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:11:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Achromatopsia Message-ID: <20000911031123.27537.qmail@web4901.mail.yahoo.com> I'm not actually in your class (I'm taking another 3120), so I don't have the benefit of the lectures, but I was surprised to see that someone who once saw color could eventually lose the ability to remember the color. My reasoning is that my father died over 15 years ago, and yet I still have dreams about him. In those dreams my memory of him is very vivid. I remember exactly what he looked like and how he sounded. You would think that after 15 years some of the memory would have faded, but it hasn't. I would think that the same would be true for other visual perceptions, such as color. I'm not second-guessing Prof. Strayer, I'm just saying this surprised me. --- Mad4madimac@aol.com wrote: > I don't know if this is what you were saying, but I > thought that Pro. Strayer > said that people who had this condition could > remember colors for a while, > but after a time, colors left them completely, he > couldn't keep the colors in > his memory. > > Madison > #00155404 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Mon Sep 11 04:33:55 2000 From: kgriffin2001@yahoo.com (Karen Griffin) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:33:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] 3D Images Message-ID: <20000911033355.15537.qmail@web4904.mail.yahoo.com> I have a question. I have never been able to distinguish 3D images. Others will look at the posters or photos and see what they're supposed to see, but I just don't get it. Is this because of a color perception problem, or is it an image perception problem? I'm not sure why my brain doesn't register these images. Any thoughts? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From leximonroe@hotmail.com Mon Sep 11 04:55:30 2000 From: leximonroe@hotmail.com (Lexi Monroe) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 03:55:30 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: Since education is such a huge topic right now in the Presidential elections, I thought this idea should be brought up. Many of the candidates are talking about ways to improve education in America. Many individuals think they should begin testing individuals as early as third grade. Teachers in Utah are questioning whether you can accurately test their skills. For example, can they truly pay attention for that long of time, or even sit still? Will they have to change the testing format? Maybe they should be tested for shorter periods of time. For example, when you look at developmental psychology and Piaget's theory, can kids that young pay attention to really get accurate results on their educational progress? Are they measuring what they think they are measuring? I don't know. This controversial idea on having third graders take mandatory S.A.T.'s, I thought was interesting... since especially right now since education in America is such a hot political topic. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From tarahdavis@yahoo.com Mon Sep 11 05:42:28 2000 From: tarahdavis@yahoo.com (Tarah davis) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:42:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Migraines Message-ID: <20000911044228.17623.qmail@web1004.mail.yahoo.com> Footnote 19 in the reading "The Case of the Colorblind painter" had a few sentences about visual migraines. I myself have experienced visual migraines and wonder about the cause. According to the text, the flash like light causing loss of vision is referred to as chromatophenes. This intrigued my interest on causes of chromatophenes. I searched the internet with that specific word, but had no positive results. I did find a really helpful sight with information about headaches and migraines. This site takes a multiple cause approach in the cause of migraines(food, stress, eye problems, etc). But if you want to know about a specific area of the head and it's relation to headache and migraine cause, all you do is click on that area. So if anyone else suffers like myself, check out this site: www.headache.com.au __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From ham070@hotmail.com Mon Sep 11 07:40:31 2000 From: ham070@hotmail.com (amber kresser) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:40:31 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Migraines Message-ID: just curious if anyone knows why light is so blinding during a migraine, and also why sudden movements (ie. turning your head fast) tend to cause pain right behind the eye?? this could just be my symptoms. but ive noticed the most severe pain in the case of a migraine is always in my eyes, it also makes it very painful to drive at night. >From: Tarah davis >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] Migraines >Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:42:28 -0700 (PDT) > >Footnote 19 in the reading "The Case of the Colorblind >painter" had a few sentences about visual migraines. >I myself have experienced visual migraines and wonder >about the cause. According to the text, the flash >like light causing loss of vision is referred to as >chromatophenes. This intrigued my interest on causes >of chromatophenes. I searched the internet with that >specific word, but had no positive results. I did >find a really helpful sight with information about >headaches and migraines. This site takes a multiple >cause approach in the cause of migraines(food, stress, >eye problems, etc). But if you want to know about a >specific area of the head and it's relation to >headache and migraine cause, all you do is click on >that area. So if anyone else suffers like myself, >check out this site: www.headache.com.au > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! >http://mail.yahoo.com/ > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From sailoruranus@altavista.net Mon Sep 11 09:27:34 2000 From: sailoruranus@altavista.net (sailoruranus@altavista.net) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 04:27:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Psych3120] monocular vision Message-ID: <00091104273434.07251@weba4.iname.net> I found the information on depth perception and the utilization of monocular and binocular vision to be fascisnating. One thing that the chapter didn't discuss, however, was the subject of epilepsy. One of the therapies for severe epileptic seizures is to sever the corpus callosum (I have no idea if I spelled that correctly). What this means, is they sever the hemispheres of the brain directly down the middle. This therapy is very effective, as long as the patient is never placed into a situation where each hemisphere receives information completely seperate from the other hemisphere. In other words, each eye would have to be singled out and see a different object. I am unaware of what EXACTLY happens when the eyes are singled out this way. Does anyone have any information about what the ramifications of this are? Aaron Davies ---------------------------------------------------------------- Get your free email from AltaVista at http://altavista.iname.com From kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Mon Sep 11 19:02:26 2000 From: kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu (Kristin Ward) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:02:26 -700 Subject: [Psych3120] The Amygdala Message-ID: <200009111702.LAA22450@meretrix.csbs.utah.edu> The amygdala is linked to fear and alarm responses as Rosemary mentioned in her Friday posts. However, it has also been theorized that it is linked to other emotional responses as well. How could this affect other types of human interaction? From kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Mon Sep 11 19:09:25 2000 From: kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu (Kristin Ward) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:09:25 -700 Subject: [Psych3120] Re: Cool New Technology Message-ID: <200009111709.LAA22457@meretrix.csbs.utah.edu> For more information about electronic sight for the blind, see the article titled "Blind Man Perceives Objects with Camera Wired to Brain" on the online class materials. Kristin From A.Cahoon@m.cc.utah.edu Mon Sep 11 18:48:06 2000 From: A.Cahoon@m.cc.utah.edu (A Cahoon) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:48:06 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: I don't know if this is a stupid question but I was wondering something. When one of your cones are damaged, you can't see color, right. So what if one of your rods are damaged, can you still see black and white? And are there any known cases of this? Amy Cahoon #00077943 From A.Cahoon@m.cc.utah.edu Mon Sep 11 18:56:00 2000 From: A.Cahoon@m.cc.utah.edu (A Cahoon) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:56:00 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: I just had another question to add on to the last one. The colorblind painter couldn't distinguish between red and black, right. So I was wondering if someone couldn't see black or white, what color would they see? Amy Cahoon #00077943 From alexispaulos@hotmail.com Mon Sep 11 19:36:16 2000 From: alexispaulos@hotmail.com (Alexis Paulos) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:36:16 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Face Recognition Message-ID: In regard to the research which found brain activity in the amygdule when subjects looked at pictures of people of different races and sex, I think it's not a safe bet to say this explains a biological basis of irrational prejudice because it is likely that people learn these fears from society or their family environments. Thus, in some cases the brain has been conditioned to see ethnic differences as bad or something to be feared. Or possibly the lack of exposure to different ethnic people causes this reaction in the amygdule because humans have a tendency to fear what they do not know. Maybe the unfamiliar faces in itself causes fear at some level and that is why the amygdule shows activity. Who really knows?. . . but it would be a really interesting study to follow up on. >From: "Rosemary Russo" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] Face Recognition >Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:55:48 GMT > >I found a research article from the Massachusetts General Hospital about >new >information on how our brain reacts when we see faces of people. In the >article it says that they used an fMRI to analyze areas of brain activity >when participants would look at pictures of different people and say what >gender the person was. They found that activity in the amygdla increased >when participants saw pictures of people from a different race then they >were themselves. They haven't concluded anything from the study, but it >seems rather interesting to me that brain activity increased within an area >of the brain that has been connected to fear and alarm. This might begin >to >provide a biological basis for irrational prejudice, or maybe explain some >other things related to social psych. >~Rosemary Russo~ >#00086213 > >P.S. If anyone wants to read the article its at: >http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2000/08/000825081924.htm >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From alexispaulos@hotmail.com Mon Sep 11 19:44:14 2000 From: alexispaulos@hotmail.com (Alexis Paulos) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:44:14 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: The color blind painter lost all ability to see color. His world was a boring dull grey and black, but even at that, in the story he said that the grey and black he did see still did not look right. So maybe it is a black and grey that people who are not colorblind cant see or even imagine. >From: A Cahoon >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych 3120 >Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) >Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:56:00 -0600 (MDT) > >I just had another question to add on to the last one. The colorblind >painter couldn't distinguish between red and black, right. So I was >wondering if someone couldn't see black or white, what color would they >see? >Amy Cahoon #00077943 > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From david.strayer@psych.utah.edu Mon Sep 11 23:07:06 2000 From: david.strayer@psych.utah.edu (David Strayer) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:07:06 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] [Fwd: [INFOVIZ] Fwd: Chicago Tribune | Nation World -- Nursing mistakes kill,injure t housands (fwd)] Message-ID: <39BD578A.3A36E07@psych.utah.edu> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C143F0E1297DC9938CEDDD51 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Below is an excerpt from an article discussing real-world about issues of perception, attention, and human factors engineering that is relevant to the upcoming class lectures. --Dave > >"To compensate for understaffing, hospitals often rely on machines with > >warning alarms to help monitor patients' vital signs. At least 216 patient > >deaths and 429 injuries have occurred in hospitals where registered nurses > >failed to hear alarms built into lifesaving equipment, such as respirators > >and blood-oxygen monitors. At a New York hospital in September last year, a patient died unnoticed of a heart attack even though a respiratory alarm sounded. A sole > nurse assigned to monitor 10 patients told federal > >investigators she did not hear the alarm because she was attending to > >another patient in distress." > > > > > >http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/article/0,2669,ART-46844,FF.h > >tml > > > > < >thousands.htm>> > > > > --------------C143F0E1297DC9938CEDDD51 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="ds2144.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for David Strayer Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ds2144.vcf" begin:vcard n:Strayer;David tel;fax:(801) 581-5841 tel;home:(801) 364-0654 tel;work:(801) 581-5037 x-mozilla-html:TRUE adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:strayer@psych.utah.edu fn:Dave Strayer end:vcard --------------C143F0E1297DC9938CEDDD51-- From marcisparks@hotmail.com Tue Sep 12 00:19:04 2000 From: marcisparks@hotmail.com (Marci Sparks) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:19:04 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] color blindness Message-ID: For many years, I wondered if I was color blind, I had a hard time distinguishing reds and greens, especially when they were near other colors, but, I was always told that I could not be color blind because I am female. Finally a couple of months ago I was tested, and told that I am red/green color blind, but, it is borderline, not as drastic as others. Maybe because it isn't as severe as others, but, I know that fire engines are red, or stop lights, but, when red and green are together, or next to other colors is when I have problems, people say that something is one color, while to me, it appears different. Marci Sparks #00183759 >From: "alanna wilson" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] color blindness >Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 15:38:53 MDT > >So Dichromatism is a color definciency at the retina level. Why is it more >common in males than in females? Why, in general, do males suffer from >color >blindness more than females? In the case of this one photopigment is >missing >and the most common color blindness in red/green. The cones that are absent >are the medium (green) and the long (red) ones. If someone has this type of >colorblindness what does the person actually see since they can't see red >or >green? Do they see black, grey, or a mixture of colors? Take for example a >fire truck. Now everyone knows that fire trucks are red. Since a person >with >dichromatism can't see red what color do they see? In other words, do they >know the truck is red and just can't see the color? Does anyone have the >answer to this question? >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From becky@lumintech.com Tue Sep 12 01:54:28 2000 From: becky@lumintech.com (Becky Alder) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:54:28 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] The colorblind painter Message-ID: I finished reading the colorblind painter this weekend and found the story really interesting but not surprising. I was thinking about how at first he was really upset about loosing his color vision and toward the end was no longer dreaming in color and no longer frustrated about the loss. He had just learned to adapt. In fact when the option arose for him to possibly receive his color sight back he turned down the opportunity. I believe we are all creatures of adaptation. When I went to live in a foreign country I was at first really frustrated that I didn't understand the language and culture. I was upset that I was there, and that nothing was making any sense. I lived in this country on two separate occasions and toward the end of my second stay and after two years of being there I was reading, writing, speaking, and dreaming at night in this other language. In fact I had fears of changing my lifestyle and moving back to the USA as my English speech began to waver and my grammar and spelling was atrocious. I think that it is amazing that can adapt so well to survive most circumstances. From amberbarker@hotmail.com Tue Sep 12 02:45:30 2000 From: amberbarker@hotmail.com (amber barker) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 01:45:30 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] V1 Message-ID: How interesting it is that vision is split between two different pathways. It is amazing that the primary visual cortex properties are for the simple properties of objects such as lines, edges, orientation. The example given was if you had a dog in front of you and you only had access to your V1 pathway, that you wouldn't be able to tell it was a dog, but you could see it's lines, edges, and outline. If you were only able to see from that view how the world would be a tangled mess of lines and shapes, but nothing would come together or make sense. Amber Barker 00067868 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From hansen86@freeport.com Tue Sep 12 04:41:29 2000 From: hansen86@freeport.com (Kyle Hansen) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 03:41:29 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] interesting Message-ID: <200009120338.VAA02392@jafo.csbs.utah.edu> i found tuesday's guest leture to be very interesting. Mostly what i liked was the explaining of the differences between additive and subtractive color mixing. How yellow and blue when added together creates white, but when it's in a subtractive context the new color is green. I also was interested to her about Dichromatism. I know that my grandfather had this disease and I am wondering is it genetically inherent? I know that it is more common in males than females but I am wondering if my risk for having this disease is any greater because of grandfather. any response would be appreciated. From JRWoods@aol.com Tue Sep 12 08:33:25 2000 From: JRWoods@aol.com (JRWoods@aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 03:33:25 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] [Fwd: [INFOVIZ] Fwd: Chicago Tribune | Nation World -- Nursing mistakes kill,injure t housands (fwd)] Message-ID: Good Evening, I am responding to Dr. Strayer's article exerp from the Thoracic ICU at LDS Hospital. I would like to let it be known that perception and attention changes do occur in humans, especially those of us who work around alarms and electronic beeps. When I initially began working here I jumped at every alarm, which is what most of our visiting family members do. But now I have become desensitized, to a degree, and now rarely take alarm when a machine has sensed that a patients parameters have exceeded a minimum or maximum level. Also a respirator alarm is rarely congrouous with a heart attack, and if the patient in question was known to have heart problems other forms of measuring heart activity would have been much more effective. In closing, I do agree that we all become accustomed to certain sounds, i.e. the hum of a refrigerator, the sound of a fish tank, cars driving by, and that our levels of attention and perception can be greatly effected by this acclamating effect. But I wo! uld question the accuracy of the numbers of accidents and deaths in connection with nurse error due to said acclamation. Chris. From mismash1@hotmail.com Tue Sep 12 15:12:51 2000 From: mismash1@hotmail.com (chris mismash) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:12:51 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Achromatopsia Message-ID: The reading on the color blind painter made it sound like he quickly forget color... and even the concept of what color was, like a person who had never seen color. They even said the idea of grey (what we would consider what he saw in) was lost on him. I wonder if the brain does this as an adaptation to survive (i.e. stay sane). I wonder if it has information(memory) on color, but disregards it so that the world is consistent... CM ******************************** From: Mad4madimac@aol.com Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Achromatopsia Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:50:15 EDT I don't know if this is what you were saying, but I thought that Pro. Strayer said that people who had this condition could remember colors for a while, but after a time, colors left them completely, he couldn't keep the colors in his memory. Madison #00155404 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From mismash1@hotmail.com Tue Sep 12 15:19:30 2000 From: mismash1@hotmail.com (chris mismash) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:19:30 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Sensitivity of the brain Message-ID: Mr. I was a big sport fan. It said he spent a lot of time talking to boxers. He found, and it is known, for boxers to go through periods of brief to extended color blindness. I would agree that those kind of jarring injuries probably do cause a lot of subtle brain damage. CM ****************************************** From: "Marci Sparks" Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] Sensitivity of the brain Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 12:11:59 MDT Throughout the things that people keep discussing regarding Finius Cage and Mr. I, I can't help but think of other people who have had problems because of damage to certain areas of the brain. Boxers and football players for example, my father was a semi professional boxer for many years, and now suffers from MS. No correlation has ever been made to brain damage in people who have MS, but, there have been speculations that because of the breakdown of the blood brain barrier when they were hit in the head, certain toxins got into the brain, and may cause the neural problems that they now have. It is purely speculation at this point, but, I do find it interesting, because, I could see toxins entering through the blood brain barrier being the cause of many unexplainable neurological disorders. Look at Mohammad Ali for example, studies have been conducted with football players and boxers, that have shown that they are affected in more ways than was realized a few years ago because of being hit in the head. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From mismash1@hotmail.com Tue Sep 12 15:31:32 2000 From: mismash1@hotmail.com (chris mismash) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:31:32 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Cool new technology Message-ID: That's pretty exciting. I was watching a program on discovery called the real million dollar man. In that multi-episode show they went over implanted chips to the optical nerve that allowed not only for "normal" vision, but vision of more of the color spectrum (infra and UV). In addition they we allowing for features like zoom and record. They also had similar implants for the ear. I used to wonder what would happen to someone who was exposed to all that extra input at once, but our discussion of Mr.. I has given me a clue. Like him, im sure their whole world would be upside down for a year or so, but after time they would not be able to see the world the way it was before. Our brains seem to be able to adapt under very dynamic requirements. Mr. I felt he had a gift. His night vision was remarkable, and when a partial "cure" for his condition was offered he scoffed at the idea. It makes me wonder how far the use of the brain and its inputs could be extended... CM ********************************************** From: Jon Lindberg Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] Cool new technology Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 00:01:10 -0600 I tried sending this from another location than my home, so if this is the second time you have seen it, please forgive me. I was reading through my new issue of Popular Mechanics for 10/00 today and came across something that is rather applicable to our discussion of the eye. Evidently, scientists in Brussels have created a new type of visual assistance device for the blind. This device is a camera, which is mounted on a pair of glasses. This camera transmits the image it sees to via a short range radio transmitter to a surgically implanted receiver. The neat thing about the receiver is that rather than connecting it to the patients visual cortex, it is connected to the patiens optical nerve. Pretty neat, eh? I have one question though. Do you think the reason that they connected the receiver to the optical nerve rather than the visual cortex is because of the complexity and delicate nature of the visual cortex? The article didn't say, but I thought it was worth mentioning here anyway. Hopefully some of the visually impaired people I work with can be fitted with this device in the next ten to fifteen years. If anyone is interested in the article, its on page 22 of the October 2000 Popular Mechanics. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From mismash1@hotmail.com Tue Sep 12 15:46:52 2000 From: mismash1@hotmail.com (chris mismash) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:46:52 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Achromatopsia Message-ID: My guess on this one is that a loss of a loved one does not change the consistency of our "sensed" reality. Our brain can accept te concept of someone existing without being in eyesight, therefore when someone is permanently gone reality is maintained. Im sure the exactness of the memory will become blurred over time though (it does for me). On the other hand the loss of color resulted in a total switch in reality. There were no traces of color. Mr. I felt this change and inconsistency for the first year of so (according to the reading) then his body adapted to the changes. So, for him, and his brain, color never existed, the idea of color didn't even exist... the concept of grey was even forin to him. ******************************************** From: Karen Griffin Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Achromatopsia Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:11:23 -0700 (PDT) I'm not actually in your class (I'm taking another 3120), so I don't have the benefit of the lectures, but I was surprised to see that someone who once saw color could eventually lose the ability to remember the color. My reasoning is that my father died over 15 years ago, and yet I still have dreams about him. In those dreams my memory of him is very vivid. I remember exactly what he looked like and how he sounded. You would think that after 15 years some of the memory would have faded, but it hasn't. I would think that the same would be true for other visual perceptions, such as color. I'm not second-guessing Prof. Strayer, I'm just saying this surprised me. --- Mad4madimac@aol.com wrote: >I don't know if this is what you were saying, but I >thought that Pro. Strayer >said that people who had this condition could >remember colors for a while, >but after a time, colors left them completely, he >couldn't keep the colors in >his memory. > > Madison >#00155404 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From suzylin@uswest.net Fri Sep 8 17:05:08 2000 From: suzylin@uswest.net (Susan Lindberg) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 16:05:08 +0000 Subject: [Psych3120] New Technology- Jon Lindberg Message-ID: <39B90E33.4D9170E0@uswest.net> Hi all, I was reading through my issue of Popular Mechanics for the 10/00 p. 22 and I came across something that is very applicable to our current discussion of the eye. Evidently, an artificial vision device is gaining quite a bit of attention in Brussels. This device uses a small video camera to capture images and uses a short range radio transmitter, mounted on glasses, to transmit the camera image to a surgically implanted receiving antenna. The antenna's output is not connected to the patients visual cortex, rather the scientists have created the device to attach to the patients optic nerve. The article doesn't say much more than that, but I was wondering if they were connecting the antenna to the patients optic nerve rather than the visual cortex becuase it is easier to "deal with". Incidentally, and off topic, this is Jon Lindberg and I am trying to send this message from my parents home, so I really hope this works! From strayer@psych.utah.edu Tue Sep 12 16:29:54 2000 From: strayer@psych.utah.edu (Yahoo! News) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:29:54 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Yahoo! News Story - Bush Says Ad in Rat Flap Will Be Changed Message-ID: <200009121529.JAA14795@jafo.csbs.utah.edu> David Strayer (strayer@psych.utah.edu) has sent you a news article

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republican presidential candidate George W. Bush (news - web sites) said on Tuesday his campaign had dropped a television ad in which the word ``RATS'' flashes across the screen in an apparent subliminal message attacking his opponent.

In the advertisement, an image of Democratic presidential candidate Vice President Al Gore (news - web sites) is followed by fragments of the words ``Bureaucrats decide'', with the word ``RATS'' flashing on the screen before the entire word ``bureaucrats'' appears.

Speaking to reporters in Orlando, Florida, Bush said he was convinced the inclusion of the word ``RATS'' was not intentional, but said the advertisement would no longer be used.

``This ad is coming out of rotation, it turns out any way,'' said Bush. ``In other words, it is not going to be played any more.''

``Conspiracy theories abound in America's politics. I don't think we need to be subliminal about the differences between our views on prescription drugs. That's where the debate ought to be,'' he added.

Earlier, Bush said on ABC's ``Good Morning America'' program that he first heard about the advertisement when he woke up on Tuesday.

``Campaigns take bizarre twists and this has to be one of the more bizarre accusations,'' the Texas governor said. ``We don't need to be manufacturing subliminal messages to get my message across.''

Gore spokesman Chris Lehane said the Gore camp was disappointed by the advertisement. ``We have never seen anything like this. The ad speaks for itself,'' Lehane said, without commenting further.

The New York Times carried a front-page story on Tuesday under the banner headline ``Democrats See, and Smell, Rats in G.O.P. Ad.''

The Times said an eagle-eyed Democrat in Seattle had examined the advertisement frame-by-frame and spotted the word ''RATS'' appearing on the screen.

Alex Castellanos, who produced the advertisement for the Republican National Committee, told the New York Times the use of the word ``RATS'' was ``purely accidental.''

``We don't play ball that way. I'm not that clever,'' he said.

Bush told reporters that he did not think the people who produced the ad should be fired as he had accepted their word that the word ``RATS'' had not appeared on purpose.

It was the second publicity gaffe to hit the Bush campaign in a week.

Last week Bush also got himself into trouble when he was overheard using an expletive in taking about a New York Times reporter that was caught on a live microphone.

The Texas governor was unaware his microphone was live when he leaned over to his running mate, Dick Cheney (news - web sites), at a Labor Day rally and said: ``There's Adam Clymer, major league asshole from the New York Times.''

Cheney replied ``Oh yeah, he is, big time.''

Later Bush said he regretted everyone heard his comment but sidestepped a question about whether he would apologize to the journalist.

Bush, who has said on several occasions he wants to change the tone in Washington to one of ``civility and respect,'' was unhappy with a series of articles by Clymer who was critical of his record as governor.

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From strayer@psych.utah.edu Tue Sep 12 16:30:00 2000 From: strayer@psych.utah.edu (Yahoo! News) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:30:00 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Yahoo! News Story - Bush Says Ad in Rat Flap Will Be Changed Message-ID: <200009121530.JAA14819@jafo.csbs.utah.edu> David Strayer (strayer@psych.utah.edu) has sent you a news article

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Based on what we've discussed in class (and will discuss in the next few weeks) was Bush's attempt at subliminal advertising worth the effort? That is, based on what you know about perception and attention, is this an effective way to influence public opinion?

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republican presidential candidate George W. Bush (news - web sites) said on Tuesday his campaign had dropped a television ad in which the word ``RATS'' flashes across the screen in an apparent subliminal message attacking his opponent.

In the advertisement, an image of Democratic presidential candidate Vice President Al Gore (news - web sites) is followed by fragments of the words ``Bureaucrats decide'', with the word ``RATS'' flashing on the screen before the entire word ``bureaucrats'' appears.

Speaking to reporters in Orlando, Florida, Bush said he was convinced the inclusion of the word ``RATS'' was not intentional, but said the advertisement would no longer be used.

``This ad is coming out of rotation, it turns out any way,'' said Bush. ``In other words, it is not going to be played any more.''

``Conspiracy theories abound in America's politics. I don't think we need to be subliminal about the differences between our views on prescription drugs. That's where the debate ought to be,'' he added.

Earlier, Bush said on ABC's ``Good Morning America'' program that he first heard about the advertisement when he woke up on Tuesday.

``Campaigns take bizarre twists and this has to be one of the more bizarre accusations,'' the Texas governor said. ``We don't need to be manufacturing subliminal messages to get my message across.''

Gore spokesman Chris Lehane said the Gore camp was disappointed by the advertisement. ``We have never seen anything like this. The ad speaks for itself,'' Lehane said, without commenting further.

The New York Times carried a front-page story on Tuesday under the banner headline ``Democrats See, and Smell, Rats in G.O.P. Ad.''

The Times said an eagle-eyed Democrat in Seattle had examined the advertisement frame-by-frame and spotted the word ''RATS'' appearing on the screen.

Alex Castellanos, who produced the advertisement for the Republican National Committee, told the New York Times the use of the word ``RATS'' was ``purely accidental.''

``We don't play ball that way. I'm not that clever,'' he said.

Bush told reporters that he did not think the people who produced the ad should be fired as he had accepted their word that the word ``RATS'' had not appeared on purpose.

It was the second publicity gaffe to hit the Bush campaign in a week.

Last week Bush also got himself into trouble when he was overheard using an expletive in taking about a New York Times reporter that was caught on a live microphone.

The Texas governor was unaware his microphone was live when he leaned over to his running mate, Dick Cheney (news - web sites), at a Labor Day rally and said: ``There's Adam Clymer, major league asshole from the New York Times.''

Cheney replied ``Oh yeah, he is, big time.''

Later Bush said he regretted everyone heard his comment but sidestepped a question about whether he would apologize to the journalist.

Bush, who has said on several occasions he wants to change the tone in Washington to one of ``civility and respect,'' was unhappy with a series of articles by Clymer who was critical of his record as governor.

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From gsl9@hotmail.com Tue Sep 12 17:36:06 2000 From: gsl9@hotmail.com (Greg Leigh) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:36:06 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] color blindness Message-ID: This is in response to Alanna Wilson's question. The reason that dichromatism is more common in males is because the colorblind gene is a recessive trait that is passed on in the X chromosome. So, since it is recessive, a female (XX) with one colorblind X will not be colorblind because the "good X" will dominate. But, since males only have one X (they are XY), they are colorblind. So, normally, the colorblind gene is passed from grandfather, through his daughter (as a carrier only), to, on average, half of her sons because they can either get a "good X" or a "colorblind X" from their mother. However, since females get one bad X from their father, and usually a good X from their mother, they are not colorblind. Now, the reason that females, like Marci Sparks can be colorlind is that they have two "colorblind X's." So, a colorblind male would pass on his "colorblind X" (Marci's father is definately colorblind), and her mother is either a carrier (one good, one bad X), and Marci got the bad one, or her mother is also colorblind in which case either X would make her colorblind. Probably Marci's grandfather on her mother's side is also colorblind, or her grandmother is also a carrier that passed on at least one colorblind gene to her mother. Does that make sense? Greg >From: "alanna wilson" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] color blindness >Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 15:38:53 MDT > >So Dichromatism is a color definciency at the retina level. Why is it more >common in males than in females? Why, in general, do males suffer from >color >blindness more than females? In the case of this one photopigment is >missing >and the most common color blindness in red/green. The cones that are absent >are the medium (green) and the long (red) ones. If someone has this type of >colorblindness what does the person actually see since they can't see red >or >green? Do they see black, grey, or a mixture of colors? Take for example a >fire truck. Now everyone knows that fire trucks are red. Since a person >with >dichromatism can't see red what color do they see? In other words, do they >know the truck is red and just can't see the color? Does anyone have the >answer to this question? >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jefbruwid@excite.com Tue Sep 12 17:46:17 2000 From: jefbruwid@excite.com (Jeff Widdison) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] modern technology Message-ID: <1941420.968777177900.JavaMail.imail@prickles> Nothing seems to surprise me these days with the new technology that is constantly coming out. I am very interesting in knowing about the modern inventions though. In all this talk about vision and light, etc., my attention was caught by an article in the newspaper that dealt with how airports use a new x-ray machine to check the passengers as they pass through the gates. This new machine exposes almost everything beneath the clothing, even the parts of the body that most consider very private. I was interested to know if anyone has any information on this new type of x-ray, and if in the future, people will actually be able to wear those x-ray glasses that children always pretend to wear. _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From brockbeattie@yahoo.com Tue Sep 12 20:44:32 2000 From: brockbeattie@yahoo.com (Brock Beattie) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 12:44:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Opponent-process theory Message-ID: <20000912194432.15208.qmail@web1501.mail.yahoo.com> Last week we discussed color vision. During tuesdays class we talked about two theories. I am hope that someone can explain the Opponent-process theory. I am still a little fuzzy on that. Thanks in advance. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From trichardson@acs.utah.edu Tue Sep 12 20:50:19 2000 From: trichardson@acs.utah.edu (Richardson) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 13:50:19 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Perception Message-ID: <39BE88FB.2B8080B@acs.utah.edu> The illusions that were seen in class, one in particular was the window that was spinning around with the rod through it. It took me until the very end to see the illusion that was happening. At what age would you have to be to only see one option of the illusion? I think Dr. Strayer said that according to our experiences we fill in or infer what is really happening. But when we stare at it long enough without thinking about the process is when the illusion happens. So will a young child always see the illusion? Tim Richardson From cgshupe@hotmail.com Tue Sep 12 22:26:58 2000 From: cgshupe@hotmail.com (Casey Shupe) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 15:26:58 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] illusions Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C01CCD.E3D47940 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0010_01C01CCD.E3D47940" ------=_NextPart_001_0010_01C01CCD.E3D47940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was surfing the internet and saw some more optical illusions these = just illustrate some perceptual constancies. enjoy! =20 =20 do the lines appear to bend inward? 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The lines in the square did appear to bend. It was fascinating to see that happen, but could you see were you can pull back and see the square not bend? We are able to manipulate our perception of what we are seeing and not allow the lines in the square to bend. On the squares, there was always fussy, greyish, little squares in between the black squares. Even when you covered one of the rows. I wonder if there are some perceptual constancies that can not be manipulated? Leonard Cancel #00180520 >---------- >From: Casey Shupe[SMTP:cgshupe@hotmail.com] >Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 3:26 PM >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] illusions > ><><><> >I was surfing the internet and saw some more optical illusions these just >illustrate some perceptual constancies. enjoy! > > > > > >do the lines appear to bend inward? But it is a square, take a ruler to find >out > > > > > >does it appear when you first look at the object above that there are some >fuzzy marks imbetween the black squares? cover one row of the squares and see >if it is still fuzzy > > >of > >Are the purple lines bent? take a ruler to find out > >Casey Shupe 00084664 > > > > > > > > > > >
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> From klmacurdy@hotmail.com Tue Sep 12 23:41:33 2000 From: klmacurdy@hotmail.com (Karen Macurdy) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:41:33 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: I have read some biographies of people who regained their sight after having been blind from birth. One in particular was about a woman who was in her early forties when she had the successful operation. Her eyes registered color, but it took her quite a while to organize it properly so that it had a logical place in her world. She saw patches of green and blue and gray outside her window, but didn't understand that they were grass and water and her driveway. My hypothesis would be that such a child (who had been deprived of color stimuli since birth) would be able to sense color, but may not be able to interpret the stimulus. Karen Leishman >From: "matt garff" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) >Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 13:57:59 MDT > >The following is an interesting question. I don't have the answer but I >know that babies born deaf will make noise up to a certain age, and then >because of lack of stimuli they stop.(They don't hear any noises so they >can't attempt to mimick them, and that portion of their brain doesn't >develop). I would imagine that it would be similar for babies that are >deprived of visual information. I can't say for sure, but atrophy seems to >take it's toll on all of our systems. > >MATT GARFF 00144838 > >From: "Ethan Finley" >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 10:57:37 MDT >Subject: [Psych3120] Development of Color Vision >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >I had a question that sort of integrates the material from this course, and >the material from another course I am taking, Psychology of Childhood and >Adolescent Development. > >We talked today in my development course about the idea of a Genotypic >potential for a range of developmental responses. We also discussed how >some developmental responses (i.e. a baby's sucking response, babbling, >etc.) are more ingrained than others, and are harder for environmental >factors to divert. > >My question is this: If an infant was placed in an environment which was >not nourishing to their ability to percieve color, (i.e. a black-and-white >environment), would their ability to see color be impaired, even though >they >may have been born with healthy eyes and visual-neural pathways??? > >Would such early sensory deprivation permanently impaire their ability to >perceive color? > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From klmacurdy@hotmail.com Tue Sep 12 23:55:49 2000 From: klmacurdy@hotmail.com (Karen Macurdy) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:55:49 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: If decisions about a child's future education were based solely on his or her raw score, then I think this would be a potentially disasterous system without the modifications mentioned by Lexi. However, the SATs taken in grade school right now are scored on the curve. The scores reveal how a child is doing in a particular subject compared to other children the same age. As a tracking system, I think standardized testing is legitimate. Karen Leishman >From: "Lexi Monroe" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) >Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 03:55:30 GMT > >Since education is such a huge topic right now in the Presidential >elections, I thought this idea should be brought up. Many of the >candidates >are talking about ways to improve education in America. Many individuals >think they should begin testing individuals as early as third grade. >Teachers in Utah are questioning whether you can accurately test their >skills. For example, can they truly pay attention for that long of time, >or even sit still? Will they have to change the testing format? Maybe they >should be tested for shorter periods of time. For example, when you look at >developmental psychology and Piaget's theory, can kids that young pay >attention to really get accurate results on their educational progress? >Are >they measuring what they think they are measuring? I don't know. This >controversial idea on having third graders take mandatory S.A.T.'s, I >thought was interesting... since especially right now since education in >America is such a hot political topic. >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From klmacurdy@hotmail.com Wed Sep 13 00:02:25 2000 From: klmacurdy@hotmail.com (Karen Macurdy) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:02:25 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: Well, if someone couldn't distinguish black and white--that would be essentially the same thing as not being able to distinguish light and dark. The rods do stop giving information when the retina detaches, and blindness results. When someone is completely blind, which includes not being able to distinguish light and dark, the color they see is black--which is, of course, essentially the absence of all colors and shading. I have never heard of someone having functioning cones, but not rods. Because rods are located throughout the retina, it seems like a very unlikely occurence. But I'm certainly not an expert, and that doesn't mean it has never happened. Karen Leishman >From: A Cahoon >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych 3120 >Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) >Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:56:00 -0600 (MDT) > >I just had another question to add on to the last one. The colorblind >painter couldn't distinguish between red and black, right. So I was >wondering if someone couldn't see black or white, what color would they >see? >Amy Cahoon #00077943 > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From klmacurdy@hotmail.com Wed Sep 13 00:20:39 2000 From: klmacurdy@hotmail.com (Karen Macurdy) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:20:39 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] 3D Images Message-ID: I have never been able to see them either. And often I don't see the optical illusions that require focusing for long periods of time. I have been told this is because I blink too much, which is probably at least partly related to wearing contacts. Do you have trouble focusing for a long time? Or do you wear contacts? These seem like more likely reasons, or at least easier to remedy, than problems with color perception. Can you see in 3D when you look at the 3D pictures while wearing the funky glasses? Karen Leishman >From: Karen Griffin >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] 3D Images >Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:33:55 -0700 (PDT) > >I have a question. I have never been able to >distinguish 3D images. Others will look at the >posters or photos and see what they're supposed to >see, but I just don't get it. Is this because of a >color perception problem, or is it an image perception >problem? I'm not sure why my brain doesn't register >these images. Any thoughts? > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! >http://mail.yahoo.com/ > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From klmacurdy@hotmail.com Wed Sep 13 00:48:26 2000 From: klmacurdy@hotmail.com (Karen Macurdy) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:48:26 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] color blind Message-ID: Just a note on how color blindness is inherited: color blindness is a recessive gene sometimes present on the X chromosome. Because males have one X and one Y chromosome, they will be color blind if the that gene is present. However, because women have two X chromosomes, they will only be color blind if both X's have the color blind gene. If only one X has it, they will only be a carrier. If a male is colorblind, he definitely inherited it from his mother. However, his mother may have inherited from her father (who would have been color blind) OR from her mother, who may have just been a carrier. If a female is color blind, then her father must have been color blind and her mother must have been a carrier (or color blind as well). So. Color blindness is always inherited through the mother, but not necessarily through the maternal grandfather. Karen Leishman >From: "Rachel Marie Lovato" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] color blind >Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 04:08:55 GMT > >This is in response to Greg's posting about color blindness. My husbands >brother is colorblind. We are all great friends and we get together a lot. >One of our favorite activities is playing a Nintendo game called Mario >Party, anyway it is quite humorous to me because he is red/green colorblind >and he has trouble distinguishing between Mario who is red, and Luigi who >is >green. There are many boards that depend on color that he struggles with >those as well. He is quite a good sport about it all, and he usually ends >up winning anyway..but we enjoy giving him a hard time about it. (His >mother's father is colorblind and that is where he probably inherited it.) >He does have a problem with some purples as well--they look blue to him and >consequentially he sometimes needs help dressing, because he sometimes >can't >tell when things match or not. He will sometimes argue about what color >something is..and I can't even imagine not being able to see the full >spectrum....just one of those things that we take for granted. > >Rachel Lovato > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "Greg Leigh" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] color blind >Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 19:11:37 MDT > >As far as being colorblind, I have been tested as red/green colorblind >and/or all colors, all hues colorblind (I'm not quite sure which is more >accurate, it's been a while), but I can't see the difference between blue >and purple either. Keep in mind, however, that just because someone is >red/green colorblind, doesn't mean that they don't have problems with other >colors. In fact, I can see a basic red and a basic green. I only have >problems when colors are close in shade to other colors. The only color I >can't see is purple. It looks blue to me as well. > >Also, as far as what I know from genetics, and I could be wrong, since >colorblindness is a disorder passed from grandfather through the mother to >the son (on the X chromosome), the recipient will get whatever disorder the >grandfather had. So, it would seem to me that the absence of either of the >red or green cones (which lead to red/green colorblindness) are either >dominant or more frequently passed on. It would seem possible, though >unlikely, that if people with that disorder didn't have any kids, and those >who had an absence of the blue cone passed it on more, it would be more >common. I would think that because the absence of either of the first two >lead to the colorblindness, that particular disorder becomes more commonly >passed along, but not necessarily by probability. In other words, there >probably isn't an even distribution of colorblindness with respect to the >three cones to make a probability statement, or whatever caused the >disorder >in the first place affected the other two more often. Does that make any >sense? > >Greg > >>From: "Kelly Rennie" >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>Subject: Re: [Psych3120] color blind >>Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 12:50:53 MDT >> >>Can Your friend still see reds? If so, then the red component of the >>purple >>color is intact and it would, by default, have to be the blue cones that >>were missing. >> >>I have a question, if anyone is familiar with genetics. Could the >>red/green >>color blindness be the most common of the deficiencies due to probability? >>What I mean is, there are only three kinds of cones, and either one of two >>of those cones needs to be affected for red/green color blindness, which >>would give a 2/3 chance of color blindness, if you were just randomly >>choosing cones. Does that make sense? Any comments? >> >> >>>From: "laura barron" >>>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>>Subject: [Psych3120] color blind >>>Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 12:33:02 MDT >>> >>>i have a friend that is color blind, but cna't see any difference between >>>blue and purple. are the blue cones missing that cause the vision >>>problem? >>> >>>-laura barron 00037675 >>> >>> >>>From: "F.C.S. S.L.C." >>>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>>Subject: [Psych3120] Achromatopsia >>>Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 18:04:07 GMT >>> >>>If someone has a brain injury and becomes colorblind (like the colorblind >>>painter), will they still be able to see color in their dreams, memories. >>>_________________________________________________________________________ >>>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >>> >>>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>>http://profiles.msn.com. >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Psych3120 mailing list >>>Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>>http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 >>> >>>_________________________________________________________________________ >>>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >>> >>>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>>http://profiles.msn.com. >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Psych3120 mailing list >>>Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>>http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 >> >>_________________________________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >> >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>http://profiles.msn.com. >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Psych3120 mailing list >>Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Mad4madimac@aol.com Wed Sep 13 00:53:16 2000 From: Mad4madimac@aol.com (Mad4madimac@aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 19:53:16 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] [Fwd: [INFOVIZ] Fwd: Chicago Tribune | Nation World -- Nursin... Message-ID: <86.903aa6.26f01bec@aol.com> Another opinion on the article.... My husband is a physician and questioned whether the numbers in this article are high enough. He works with these types of machines, the ones with bells and whistles, as he is an Anesthesiologist. He pointed out that the nursing staff is overworked and given to much to do, too many patients. This makes it difficult for them to be in so many places at one time and to meet the needs of their patients. Also, there are so many false alarms with these machines that they get used to hearing them and may not respond immediately. Madison #00155404 From artemishae@yahoo.com Wed Sep 13 00:54:30 2000 From: artemishae@yahoo.com (Kelly Symes) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 16:54:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] interesting Message-ID: <20000912235430.20357.qmail@web4203.mail.yahoo.com> when Sarah said that blue is opposite yellow and green is opposite red, did she really mean green or did she mean cyan. I don't know how 2 of the main 3 colors of light can be complementary pairs. Doesn't it have to be a primary color and then the combination of the other two two make the primary's complimentary? --- Kyle Hansen wrote: > i found tuesday's guest leture to be very > interesting. > Mostly what i liked was the explaining of the > differences > between additive and subtractive color mixing. How > yellow > and blue when added together creates white, but when > it's > in a subtractive context the new color is green. I > also > was interested to her about Dichromatism. I know > that my > grandfather had this disease and I am wondering is > it > genetically inherent? I know that it is more > common in > males than females but I am wondering if my risk for > having > this disease is any greater because of grandfather. > > any response would be appreciated. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From klmacurdy@hotmail.com Wed Sep 13 00:59:48 2000 From: klmacurdy@hotmail.com (Karen Macurdy) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:59:48 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] Color stuff Message-ID: what are the addresses of these web sites? I would like to check some of them out. >From: Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] Color stuff >Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:19:43 -0600 (MDT) > > >I browsed the internet looking for info about our >perception of color as it applies to marketing and found >some interesting stuff. How does color affect our buying >behavior? Colors are psychological, influencing us to >choose one product over another. >Basically, in North American mainstream culture, the >following qualities are associated with color: >7 Red: excitement, strength, sex, passion, speed, >danger. >7 Blue: (listed as the most popular color) trust, >reliability, belonging, coolness. >7 Yellow: warmth, sunshine, cheer, happiness >7 Orange: playfulness, warmth, vibrant >7 Green: nature, fresh, cool, growth, abundance >7 Purple: royal, spirituality, dignity >7 Pink: soft, sweet, nurture, security >7 White: pure, virginal, clean, youthful, mild. >7 Black: sophistication, elegant, seductive, mystery >7 Gold: prestige, expensive >7 Silver: prestige, cold, scientific >Impulse shoppers respond best to red-orange, black and >royal blue. Shoppers who plan and stick to budgets >respond best to pink, teal, light blue and navy. >Traditionalists respond to pastels - pink, rose, sky >blue. > >One website advertized a book that tells the secrets >behind: >- Why fast food businesses use basically the same color >scheme >- Why red is the wrong color to use in ads targeting men > >It gave the example of a business that manufactured >chocolates, sweets or anything edible with a sweet >taste, that they should ideally have blue or mauve >somewhere on the packet. It said that, psychologically, >blue is the colour of sweetness. On the other hand you >should never use green on the packet, [or in the >advertising] because the mind perceives green as an >astringent taste. > > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From artemishae@yahoo.com Wed Sep 13 01:06:37 2000 From: artemishae@yahoo.com (Kelly Symes) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:06:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] monocular vision Message-ID: <20000913000637.28017.qmail@web4205.mail.yahoo.com> From any of the things i have heard, it sounds like Each hemisphere has a different task ability as far as being able to name what is seen. So if someone with this leision has put infront of a screen where only one eye could see at a time and a word was flashed into each eye separatedly, one of the eyes works to the point where the person can say what it is, the other eye(side) will not be able to say what it is but will be able to write it. I don't know how accurate this is, but that is what I was told. Also the person may have problems deciding on things (ie someone picking out a shirt may pick out a white shirt with one hand and a black with the other and then be boggled as to what to wear) --- sailoruranus@altavista.net wrote: > I found the information on depth perception and the > utilization of monocular and binocular vision to be > fascisnating. One thing that the chapter didn't > discuss, however, was the subject of epilepsy. One > of the therapies for severe epileptic seizures is to > sever the corpus callosum (I have no idea if I > spelled that correctly). What this means, is they > sever the hemispheres of the brain directly down the > middle. This therapy is very effective, as long as > the patient is never placed into a situation where > each hemisphere receives information completely > seperate from the other hemisphere. In other words, > each eye would have to be singled out and see a > different object. I am unaware of what EXACTLY > happens when the eyes are singled out this way. > Does anyone have any information about what the > ramifications of this are? > > Aaron Davies > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Get your free email from AltaVista at > http://altavista.iname.com > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From artemishae@yahoo.com Wed Sep 13 01:11:55 2000 From: artemishae@yahoo.com (Kelly Symes) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:11:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Depth Perception Message-ID: <20000913001155.22453.qmail@web4203.mail.yahoo.com> Can people with a lazy eye see out of the lazy eye? I know this may sound mean, I mean nothing offensive. But, I have always had a problem of knowing which eye to look into when you are taking to them --- randon storms wrote: > My nephew has a condition called strabismus which is > a disorder of the > muscles of the eyes in which both eyes cannot be > focused on the same point > at the same time. This can be corrected by glasses. > Without his glasses on, > it causes his eyes to lose their focus on the same > point. His left eye > floats over to his periphery which can cause > dizziness and depth perception > problems because he is not able to use his binocular > cues of convergence and > binocular parallax. Because he cannot focus on one > focal point, his eyes > focus on two points at one time where each eye is > looking at or focusing at. > His glasses correct this by one side on his glasses > have a stronger > prescription than the other side since this is a > muscular imbalance. > > Carolyn Storms > 00040181 > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own > public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From artemishae@yahoo.com Wed Sep 13 01:15:34 2000 From: artemishae@yahoo.com (Kelly Symes) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:15:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Dreaming in color Message-ID: <20000913001534.7167.qmail@web4204.mail.yahoo.com> I don't know, I dream in color, how about you? --- CatherineW123@aol.com wrote: > Someone once told me that some people dream in black > and white while other > people dream in color. Does anyone know if this is > true? > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From kwan_carrie@hotmail.com Wed Sep 13 01:34:22 2000 From: kwan_carrie@hotmail.com (Carrie Kwan) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:34:22 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] perception Message-ID: During class today, as we witnessed many of our limitations in our visual perception, I thought that this theory also applies very well in other aspects of our lives. It is true that we physically see things that we are conditioned to see or expect to see. But I think that is also true that we live like that in other aspects of our lives. For instance, with the prejudice issue, if a hispanic person grew up in a primarily caucasian neighborhood where all of the people were mean and aggressive, the hispanic person may feel threatened whenever they encounter a white person, even though they may not have a reason to feel that way. They may even logically think that they are in a different environment now and people are much friendlier, but subconsciously still feel tension. Context colors our perception is a clear concept that we learned today. I think as humans, we are all conditioned with specific cues by our individual culture, background, and experiences. We react to people and situations and make our judgements a lot of times without consciously thinking. We are able to judge good or bad, right or wrong, beautiful or ugly, smart or dumb in matter of seconds. And a lot of times, we fail to see through someone else's eyes or context. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Norrisrachel@aol.com Wed Sep 13 02:18:32 2000 From: Norrisrachel@aol.com (Norrisrachel@aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:18:32 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] Yahoo! News Story - Bush Says Ad in Rat Flap Will Be Changed Message-ID: <38.b475b09.26f02fe8@aol.com> I don't know that this is the best example, as I saw the ad and you can't even see the word "rat" unless it is slowed down. I don't know that hardly anyone would really notice this attempt at subliminal messaging unless they knew about it beforehand and watched for it. From Norrisrachel@aol.com Wed Sep 13 02:26:33 2000 From: Norrisrachel@aol.com (Norrisrachel@aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:26:33 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] perception Message-ID: I was also very amazed by today's lecture. I thought how interesting it is that we think that we perceive things how they really are, but actually, we perceive things based on what we know and what we expect. I am excited to learn more about the eyewitness testimony as I agree that it should not be allowed in courts as people may perceive things differently in a situation that causes shock or stress. From sjboyer23@hotmail.com Wed Sep 13 02:45:23 2000 From: sjboyer23@hotmail.com (Seth Boyer) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 19:45:23 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] In the field of paint Message-ID: I work at a paint store and last Tuesdays lecture and this Tuesdays lecture got me to think a lot about context as well as color. In my work we get to match a lot of paint to specific colors, needless to say you need to be able to match colors very well. I have struggled with this and I think it is because I am slightly color blind. But the amazing thing is that people will come in and get some paint and the come back saying that we mixed up the wrong color. This is because of the context that they are looking at it in. Because of the different color tones in a persons house the color will end up looking different then what they expected! So that the other colors and the lighting in the room make a hugh difference in what is seen. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Mexpebbles@aol.com Wed Sep 13 04:20:52 2000 From: Mexpebbles@aol.com (Mexpebbles@aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:20:52 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] Opponent-process theory Message-ID: <3d.d34c91.26f04c94@aol.com> The only thing that I understood from the Opponent-process theory was that you could not look at two colors at the same time. For example, your eyes will not let you look at red and green at the same time...and the same goes for Blue and Yellow. When one color's visibility increases, the other color decreases. I don't know if this helps or not, but I did not see anyone else responding. Hopefully someone will add to this if need be. Thanks! From Mexpebbles@aol.com Wed Sep 13 04:27:51 2000 From: Mexpebbles@aol.com (Mexpebbles@aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:27:51 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] 3D Images Message-ID: I've heard that if you have problems with your vision, whether it be nearsighted or farsighted, that you will have a hard time seeing the 3D Images. I personally can't see them either, but I also wear contacts and have to blink too much. That might be the problem as Karen was mentioning. From Mexpebbles@aol.com Wed Sep 13 04:39:56 2000 From: Mexpebbles@aol.com (Mexpebbles@aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:39:56 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] September 12th class... Message-ID: <3d.d34c95.26f0510c@aol.com> I found today's class very beneficial. I enjoy classes where we have visuals to go along with what we are learning. It helps me understand the concepts better. It was fun to learn about perception and realize that what we see may not really be what is there, but what we "think" is there. It blows my mind to think about it! Anyway, I just wanted to say that. Does anyone else agree? From ham070@hotmail.com Wed Sep 13 04:47:23 2000 From: ham070@hotmail.com (amber kresser) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:47:23 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] September 12th class... Message-ID: why yes ang, i too agree. but seriously it was nice to have examples to go with the lecture. i like learning about this stuff and i have happy to be done with the eye. amber >From: Mexpebbles@aol.com >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] September 12th class... >Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:39:56 EDT > >I found today's class very beneficial. I enjoy classes where we have >visuals >to go along with what we are learning. It helps me understand the concepts >better. It was fun to learn about perception and realize that what we see >may not really be what is there, but what we "think" is there. It blows my >mind to think about it! Anyway, I just wanted to say that. Does anyone >else >agree? > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From ham070@hotmail.com Wed Sep 13 04:58:24 2000 From: ham070@hotmail.com (amber kresser) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:58:24 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Color stuff, Message-ID: i have a friend who is working in industrial psychology, and part of what she does is help provide positive working environments. so she deals a lot with colors and how different colors create certain moods. for example, white is supposed to promote productivity and greater attention span. that is part of the reason schools usually have white walls. there are a lot more examples but i just dont know them right now, sorry. not along the same lines really, but has anyone taken the color test? its supposed to group you into a certain category for personality and stuff. red meaning dominant, white submissive or peacemaker...etc. anyways, just curious. thanks >From: "Karen Macurdy" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Color stuff >Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:59:48 GMT > >what are the addresses of these web sites? I would like to check some of >them out. > > >>From: Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>Subject: [Psych3120] Color stuff >>Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:19:43 -0600 (MDT) >> >> >>I browsed the internet looking for info about our >>perception of color as it applies to marketing and found >>some interesting stuff. How does color affect our buying >>behavior? Colors are psychological, influencing us to >>choose one product over another. >>Basically, in North American mainstream culture, the >>following qualities are associated with color: >>7 Red: excitement, strength, sex, passion, speed, >>danger. >>7 Blue: (listed as the most popular color) trust, >>reliability, belonging, coolness. >>7 Yellow: warmth, sunshine, cheer, happiness >>7 Orange: playfulness, warmth, vibrant >>7 Green: nature, fresh, cool, growth, abundance >>7 Purple: royal, spirituality, dignity >>7 Pink: soft, sweet, nurture, security >>7 White: pure, virginal, clean, youthful, mild. >>7 Black: sophistication, elegant, seductive, mystery >>7 Gold: prestige, expensive >>7 Silver: prestige, cold, scientific >>Impulse shoppers respond best to red-orange, black and >>royal blue. Shoppers who plan and stick to budgets >>respond best to pink, teal, light blue and navy. >>Traditionalists respond to pastels - pink, rose, sky >>blue. >> >>One website advertized a book that tells the secrets >>behind: >>- Why fast food businesses use basically the same color >>scheme >>- Why red is the wrong color to use in ads targeting men >> >>It gave the example of a business that manufactured >>chocolates, sweets or anything edible with a sweet >>taste, that they should ideally have blue or mauve >>somewhere on the packet. It said that, psychologically, >>blue is the colour of sweetness. On the other hand you >>should never use green on the packet, [or in the >>advertising] because the mind perceives green as an >>astringent taste. >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Psych3120 mailing list >>Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jjfoust@ix.netcom.com Wed Sep 13 05:26:01 2000 From: jjfoust@ix.netcom.com (Jaime C. Foust) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:26:01 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Optical Illusions Message-ID: <39BF01D9.B719BBAA@ix.netcom.com> I was very interested in the class lecture today. It is so amazing to learn how much our eyes can incorrectly perceive things. I found this web site on the internet which contains some of the illusions covered in class as well as some additional ones. http://www.funkypages.com/hahaha.php?page=/index.php From jjfoust@ix.netcom.com Wed Sep 13 06:21:26 2000 From: jjfoust@ix.netcom.com (Jaime C. Foust) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:21:26 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Oscillating Window Message-ID: <39BF0ED6.FD723D6F@ix.netcom.com> Out of all the illusions we saw in class today, the oscillating window was one of the most bizarre. Some of the illusions you can train your eye to see, however, with the oscillating window, I noticed the only time I could bring my eyes back to the reality of the fan turning in a circle was when I focused on the top corner of the larger end. I tried to focus on the smaller end, and follow it around the circle, but no matter how many times I tried, this didn't work. I just thought this was really interesting. I have previously seen a few of the illusions shown, but today was the first time I saw the window illusion. I also want to add that I agree with everyone who mentioned how much the visuals aid in learning and understanding. The lecture today was outstanding and interesting. Jaime Foust From garffdog@hotmail.com Wed Sep 13 06:42:17 2000 From: garffdog@hotmail.com (matt garff) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:42:17 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] color constancy Message-ID: I had an interesting experience more than a few years ago relating to color constancy. I remember the basics of the story but not the specifics. Anyway, as I was walking into the kitchen I saw an object on the table that had the oddest color. For a few moments I could not identify it. After looking at it intently, I recognised it as a piece of fruit and at that very same moment the color changed to the appropriate color of the fruit, and I could not get it to return to the color I had seen. The blinds were closed, allowing very little light to come in, and the lights were off. Apparently, the wavelengths reflecting off the fruit were different than what I was used to, which made it so hard to identify, but once I recognized it my brain "fixed" the image in my head and would not allow me to see it "as it was" again. What an amazing tool the brain is. MATT GARFF 00144838 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From rlovat2@hotmail.com Wed Sep 13 09:31:09 2000 From: rlovat2@hotmail.com (Rachel Marie Lovato) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:31:09 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] Color stuff, Message-ID: This is in response to Amber Kresser's message: I know of an online site that you can go to to take a color test if anyone is interested: http://www.emode.com/ There is one called "what's your true color" which is kinda what Amber is talking about. There are also a lot of other silly tests that I enjoy taking, between studying. Rachel Lovato ----Original Message Follows---- From: "amber kresser" Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Color stuff, Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:58:24 MDT i have a friend who is working in industrial psychology, and part of what she does is help provide positive working environments. so she deals a lot with colors and how different colors create certain moods. for example, white is supposed to promote productivity and greater attention span. that is part of the reason schools usually have white walls. there are a lot more examples but i just dont know them right now, sorry. not along the same lines really, but has anyone taken the color test? its supposed to group you into a certain category for personality and stuff. red meaning dominant, white submissive or peacemaker...etc. anyways, just curious. thanks >From: "Karen Macurdy" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Color stuff >Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:59:48 GMT > >what are the addresses of these web sites? I would like to check some of >them out. > > >>From: Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>Subject: [Psych3120] Color stuff >>Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:19:43 -0600 (MDT) >> >> >>I browsed the internet looking for info about our >>perception of color as it applies to marketing and found >>some interesting stuff. How does color affect our buying >>behavior? Colors are psychological, influencing us to >>choose one product over another. >>Basically, in North American mainstream culture, the >>following qualities are associated with color: >>7 Red: excitement, strength, sex, passion, speed, >>danger. >>7 Blue: (listed as the most popular color) trust, >>reliability, belonging, coolness. >>7 Yellow: warmth, sunshine, cheer, happiness >>7 Orange: playfulness, warmth, vibrant >>7 Green: nature, fresh, cool, growth, abundance >>7 Purple: royal, spirituality, dignity >>7 Pink: soft, sweet, nurture, security >>7 White: pure, virginal, clean, youthful, mild. >>7 Black: sophistication, elegant, seductive, mystery >>7 Gold: prestige, expensive >>7 Silver: prestige, cold, scientific >>Impulse shoppers respond best to red-orange, black and >>royal blue. Shoppers who plan and stick to budgets >>respond best to pink, teal, light blue and navy. >>Traditionalists respond to pastels - pink, rose, sky >>blue. >> >>One website advertized a book that tells the secrets >>behind: >>- Why fast food businesses use basically the same color >>scheme >>- Why red is the wrong color to use in ads targeting men >> >>It gave the example of a business that manufactured >>chocolates, sweets or anything edible with a sweet >>taste, that they should ideally have blue or mauve >>somewhere on the packet. It said that, psychologically, >>blue is the colour of sweetness. On the other hand you >>should never use green on the packet, [or in the >>advertising] because the mind perceives green as an >>astringent taste. >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Psych3120 mailing list >>Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From neomorpheus9@hotmail.com Wed Sep 13 15:16:57 2000 From: neomorpheus9@hotmail.com (Dan Felts) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:16:57 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] Color stuff, Message-ID: Amber, I know what you mean about the color schemes in work environments. Often times green is used, especially with industrial machinery. People I have spoken to about it mention research which supposedly shows that green makes people's eyes relax more, especially if they have to work in the same room all day long. As far as color personality tests, I have no idea. >From: "amber kresser" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Color stuff, >Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:58:24 MDT > >i have a friend who is working in industrial psychology, and part of what >she does is help provide positive working environments. so she deals a lot >with colors and how different colors create certain moods. for example, >white is supposed to promote productivity and greater attention span. that >is part of the reason schools usually have white walls. there are a lot >more >examples but i just dont know them right now, sorry. not along the same >lines really, but has anyone taken the color test? its supposed to group >you >into a certain category for personality and stuff. red meaning dominant, >white submissive or peacemaker...etc. anyways, just curious. thanks > > >>From: "Karen Macurdy" >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Color stuff >>Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:59:48 GMT >> >>what are the addresses of these web sites? I would like to check some of >>them out. >> >> >>>From: Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu >>>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>>Subject: [Psych3120] Color stuff >>>Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:19:43 -0600 (MDT) >>> >>> >>>I browsed the internet looking for info about our >>>perception of color as it applies to marketing and found >>>some interesting stuff. How does color affect our buying >>>behavior? Colors are psychological, influencing us to >>>choose one product over another. >>>Basically, in North American mainstream culture, the >>>following qualities are associated with color: >>>7 Red: excitement, strength, sex, passion, speed, >>>danger. >>>7 Blue: (listed as the most popular color) trust, >>>reliability, belonging, coolness. >>>7 Yellow: warmth, sunshine, cheer, happiness >>>7 Orange: playfulness, warmth, vibrant >>>7 Green: nature, fresh, cool, growth, abundance >>>7 Purple: royal, spirituality, dignity >>>7 Pink: soft, sweet, nurture, security >>>7 White: pure, virginal, clean, youthful, mild. >>>7 Black: sophistication, elegant, seductive, mystery >>>7 Gold: prestige, expensive >>>7 Silver: prestige, cold, scientific >>>Impulse shoppers respond best to red-orange, black and >>>royal blue. Shoppers who plan and stick to budgets >>>respond best to pink, teal, light blue and navy. >>>Traditionalists respond to pastels - pink, rose, sky >>>blue. >>> >>>One website advertized a book that tells the secrets >>>behind: >>>- Why fast food businesses use basically the same color >>>scheme >>>- Why red is the wrong color to use in ads targeting men >>> >>>It gave the example of a business that manufactured >>>chocolates, sweets or anything edible with a sweet >>>taste, that they should ideally have blue or mauve >>>somewhere on the packet. It said that, psychologically, >>>blue is the colour of sweetness. On the other hand you >>>should never use green on the packet, [or in the >>>advertising] because the mind perceives green as an >>>astringent taste. >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Psych3120 mailing list >>>Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>>http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 >> >>_________________________________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >> >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>http://profiles.msn.com. >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Psych3120 mailing list >>Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From lauraebarron@hotmail.com Wed Sep 13 15:47:52 2000 From: lauraebarron@hotmail.com (laura barron) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:47:52 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Dreaming in color Message-ID: it is my understanding that people dream in both black and white and color, each about 50% of the time. From: Kelly Symes Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Dreaming in color Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:15:34 -0700 (PDT) I don't know, I dream in color, how about you? --- CatherineW123@aol.com wrote: > Someone once told me that some people dream in black > and white while other > people dream in color. Does anyone know if this is > true? > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jpix@networld.com Wed Sep 13 15:50:27 2000 From: jpix@networld.com (Jeffrey Pixton) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:50:27 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] perception In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200009131451.IAA11000@jafo.csbs.utah.edu> I thought this was a very thoughtful analogy. I just think that I might add that although we are conditioned to see or expect to see things, we still have this idea of normalcy (How people should see) that interferes with our ability to understand the other person's context. However, I think it is very worthwhile to try to view things through various contexts. Natalie Janovak -----Original Message----- From: "Carrie Kwan" To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:34:22 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] perception >During class today, as we witnessed many of our limitations in our >visual >perception, I thought that this theory also applies very well in other >aspects of our lives. It is true that we physically see things that we >are >conditioned to see or expect to see. But I think that is also true >that we >live like that in other aspects of our lives. >For instance, with the prejudice issue, if a hispanic person grew up >in a >primarily caucasian neighborhood where all of the people were mean and >aggressive, the hispanic person may feel threatened whenever they >encounter >a white person, even though they may not have a reason to feel that >way. >They may even logically think that they are in a different environment >now >and people are much friendlier, but subconsciously still feel tension. >Context colors our perception is a clear concept that we learned >today. I >think as humans, we are all conditioned with specific cues by our >individual >culture, background, and experiences. We react to people and >situations and >make our judgements a lot of times without consciously thinking. We >are able >to judge good or bad, right or wrong, beautiful or ugly, smart or dumb >in >matter of seconds. And a lot of times, we fail to see through someone >else's >eyes or context. >______________________________________________________________________ >___ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 ********************************* Get your free E-Mail and Homepage Go to http://www.networld.com ********************************* From jpix@networld.com Wed Sep 13 16:05:42 2000 From: jpix@networld.com (Jeffrey Pixton) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 09:05:42 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] 3D Images In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200009131506.JAA11296@jafo.csbs.utah.edu> I wear glasses for distance reading (including driving) and I have an impossible time finding patterns in random dot stereograms, yet I can see other 3D images with ease. Maybe It has to do with focusing too much on the stimulus? Natalie Janovak -----Original Message----- From: Mexpebbles@aol.com To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:27:51 EDT Subject: Re: [Psych3120] 3D Images >I've heard that if you have problems with your vision, whether it be >nearsighted or farsighted, that you will have a hard time seeing the >3D >Images. I personally can't see them either, but I also wear contacts >and >have to blink too much. That might be the problem as Karen was >mentioning. > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 ********************************* Get your free E-Mail and Homepage Go to http://www.networld.com ********************************* From jsd1022@yahoo.com Wed Sep 13 16:12:06 2000 From: jsd1022@yahoo.com (J Doonan) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:12:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Tuesdays lecture Message-ID: <20000913151206.5461.qmail@web9204.mail.yahoo.com> I thought this lecture was one of the more interesting I've had. Professor Strayer did a great job of using the visual demonstrations to make his point. It's amazing how our perceptual process works. The visual process is an amazing thing. The most interesting illusions of the day were the trapazoid window and the table illusion (Why do the tables look so different anyway?). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From jsd1022@yahoo.com Wed Sep 13 16:20:26 2000 From: jsd1022@yahoo.com (J Doonan) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:20:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: <20000913152026.22706.qmail@web9209.mail.yahoo.com> In response to George W. Bush's recent advertisements using subliminal messages. I think according to what we have learned in class that such attempts to influence the public with subliminal messages is a hopeless by the Bush committee. These subliminal messages, it seems, would occur below the threshold of our conscious awareness and therefor not be processed into our memory. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From M.Burchett@m.cc.utah.edu Wed Sep 13 16:35:58 2000 From: M.Burchett@m.cc.utah.edu (M.Burchett@m.cc.utah.edu) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 09:35:58 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Dreaming in color In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20000913153558.31AFB53AA3@dorothy.ks.cc.utah.edu> I'm intrigued as to where you came to this figure. Is it just by word of mouth or have you read some research on the topic? It seems to me that this would be something that would be difficult to accurately assess. It would almost necessitate individual reports regarding the amount of time an individual dreams in color or does not. It seems to me that the more likely scenario is that regardless of whether we actually dream in color or not is not the issue. The issue is whether we remember the dream in color or not. As we all know, what we actually see and what we remember seeing can be different things (think of eye witness testimony or illusions.) However if anyone knows about scientific evidence of the nature of our dreams, I would be interested in that. But my opinion is that this would be difficult to assess. Quoting laura barron : > it is my understanding that people dream in both black and white and color, > > each about 50% of the time. > > > From: Kelly Symes > Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Dreaming in color > Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:15:34 -0700 (PDT) > > I don't know, I dream in color, how about you? > --- CatherineW123@aol.com wrote: > > Someone once told me that some people dream in black > > and white while other > > people dream in color. Does anyone know if this is > > true? From jlallatin@yahoo.com Wed Sep 13 16:57:34 2000 From: jlallatin@yahoo.com (Jon Lallatin) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:57:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: <20000913155734.19904.qmail@web5205.mail.yahoo.com> --- J Doonan wrote: > In response to George W. Bush's recent > advertisements > using subliminal messages. > > I think according to what we have learned in class > that such attempts to influence the public with > subliminal messages is a hopeless by the Bush > committee. > > These subliminal messages, it seems, would occur > below > the threshold of our conscious awareness and > therefor > not be processed into our memory. > > _What? Ok here is another question from the study guide for the test: Contrast the symptoms of apperseptive agnosia and associative agnosia. What seems to be the major problem in each,and how might you test whether a person as one or the other? Ok. I really need to join a study group. Is there one out there? Please reply.____ _______________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from > anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 From amark2@uswest.net Wed Sep 13 18:01:03 2000 From: amark2@uswest.net (mark archibald) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:01:03 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] [Fwd: [INFOVIZ] Fwd: Chicago Tribune | Nation World -- Nursing mistakes kill,injure t housands (fwd)] References: <39BD578A.3A36E07@psych.utah.edu> Message-ID: <001301c01da4$3309dba0$76eaa0d8@0017140944> That is a horrible reality, I have found the section on illusions quite fascinating. The wand circulating threw the window Paine has made me question several things I' ve thought I saw recently. Playing golf yesterday a put broke completely the opposite way it looked after inspection I concluded that it was an illusion. (I can't be that wrong) ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Strayer" To: Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 4:07 PM Subject: [Psych3120] [Fwd: [INFOVIZ] Fwd: Chicago Tribune | Nation World -- Nursing mistakes kill,injure t housands (fwd)] > Below is an excerpt from an article discussing real-world about issues of perception, attention, and human factors engineering that is relevant to the upcoming class > lectures. > --Dave > > > >"To compensate for understaffing, hospitals often rely on machines with > > >warning alarms to help monitor patients' vital signs. At least 216 patient > > >deaths and 429 injuries have occurred in hospitals where registered nurses > > >failed to hear alarms built into lifesaving equipment, such as respirators > > >and blood-oxygen monitors. At a New York hospital in September last year, a patient died unnoticed of a heart attack even though a respiratory alarm sounded. A sole > > nurse assigned to monitor 10 patients told federal > > >investigators she did not hear the alarm because she was attending to > > >another patient in distress." > > > > > > > > >http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/article/0,2669,ART-46844,FF. h > > >tml > > > > > > < > >thousands.htm>> > > > > > > > > > From amark2@uswest.net Wed Sep 13 18:03:20 2000 From: amark2@uswest.net (mark archibald) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:03:20 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] illusions References: Message-ID: <003001c01da4$85140e20$76eaa0d8@0017140944> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C01D72.3A580C60 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_002D_01C01D72.3A580C60" ------=_NextPart_001_002D_01C01D72.3A580C60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable facinating ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Casey Shupe=20 To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 3:26 PM Subject: [Psych3120] illusions I was surfing the internet and saw some more optical illusions these = just illustrate some perceptual constancies. enjoy! =20 =20 do the lines appear to bend inward? 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jfa8sh70oT+86AvP95+T/fV9P3nkp17s8CyP5I6XvfBhbvne4x72sR/+6SUv9a0fH/kmT/7ofc5u 4Dvd5ePevea1fv3qWXd/3s0fjuefT37mE1/54jfW79e9fuOTfvuzh/7di//98k9/+dqvPe3fb/7m Zz7/8Md952dp2Gd9wRd9B5h0+ld/DGh/94d/ALiA8zeAFNh/dPeA0id/ehEQADs= ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C01D72.3A580C60-- From klmacurdy@hotmail.com Wed Sep 13 18:21:00 2000 From: klmacurdy@hotmail.com (Karen Macurdy) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:21:00 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] Color stuff, Message-ID: I have taken a couple of color personality tests. But I had always considered the colors to be somewhat arbitrary. Personalities are separated into types, but I did not see any direct relation to the color designated for each type. Perhaps white as peacemaker is related to "waving a white flag" to call truce or surrender, but that still seems pretty arbitrary to me. The funny thing is, in the other color test I took, the colors were all different. They were blue, green, gold, and orange. Again, I thought the colors were pretty arbitrary. Karen Leishman >From: "amber kresser" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Color stuff, >Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:58:24 MDT > >i have a friend who is working in industrial psychology, and part of what >she does is help provide positive working environments. so she deals a lot >with colors and how different colors create certain moods. for example, >white is supposed to promote productivity and greater attention span. that >is part of the reason schools usually have white walls. there are a lot >more >examples but i just dont know them right now, sorry. not along the same >lines really, but has anyone taken the color test? its supposed to group >you >into a certain category for personality and stuff. red meaning dominant, >white submissive or peacemaker...etc. anyways, just curious. thanks > > >>From: "Karen Macurdy" >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Color stuff >>Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:59:48 GMT >> >>what are the addresses of these web sites? I would like to check some of >>them out. >> >> >>>From: Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu >>>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>>Subject: [Psych3120] Color stuff >>>Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:19:43 -0600 (MDT) >>> >>> >>>I browsed the internet looking for info about our >>>perception of color as it applies to marketing and found >>>some interesting stuff. How does color affect our buying >>>behavior? Colors are psychological, influencing us to >>>choose one product over another. >>>Basically, in North American mainstream culture, the >>>following qualities are associated with color: >>>7 Red: excitement, strength, sex, passion, speed, >>>danger. >>>7 Blue: (listed as the most popular color) trust, >>>reliability, belonging, coolness. >>>7 Yellow: warmth, sunshine, cheer, happiness >>>7 Orange: playfulness, warmth, vibrant >>>7 Green: nature, fresh, cool, growth, abundance >>>7 Purple: royal, spirituality, dignity >>>7 Pink: soft, sweet, nurture, security >>>7 White: pure, virginal, clean, youthful, mild. >>>7 Black: sophistication, elegant, seductive, mystery >>>7 Gold: prestige, expensive >>>7 Silver: prestige, cold, scientific >>>Impulse shoppers respond best to red-orange, black and >>>royal blue. Shoppers who plan and stick to budgets >>>respond best to pink, teal, light blue and navy. >>>Traditionalists respond to pastels - pink, rose, sky >>>blue. >>> >>>One website advertized a book that tells the secrets >>>behind: >>>- Why fast food businesses use basically the same color >>>scheme >>>- Why red is the wrong color to use in ads targeting men >>> >>>It gave the example of a business that manufactured >>>chocolates, sweets or anything edible with a sweet >>>taste, that they should ideally have blue or mauve >>>somewhere on the packet. It said that, psychologically, >>>blue is the colour of sweetness. On the other hand you >>>should never use green on the packet, [or in the >>>advertising] because the mind perceives green as an >>>astringent taste. >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Psych3120 mailing list >>>Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>>http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 >> >>_________________________________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >> >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>http://profiles.msn.com. >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Psych3120 mailing list >>Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Wed Sep 13 19:30:13 2000 From: kgriffin2001@yahoo.com (Karen Griffin) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:30:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] September 12th class... Message-ID: <20000913183013.2693.qmail@web4904.mail.yahoo.com> I find it very interesting to read the comments on yesterday's lecture about how "visuals" help us learn. Considering that we've all been talking for a couple of weeks now about our eyes and how we use them to perceive our world, I thought these comments were fitting! In some respects it also drives home the points that have been made in past postings. What we see can very easily become engrained in our minds and thus much easier to recall in the future. So whether it colors, optical illusions, or even beliefs about the world around us, the visual aspect of perception is very strong! --- Mexpebbles@aol.com wrote: > I found today's class very beneficial. I enjoy > classes where we have visuals > to go along with what we are learning. It helps me > understand the concepts > better. It was fun to learn about perception and > realize that what we see > may not really be what is there, but what we "think" > is there. It blows my > mind to think about it! Anyway, I just wanted to > say that. Does anyone else > agree? > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Wed Sep 13 19:31:17 2000 From: kgriffin2001@yahoo.com (Karen Griffin) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:31:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] 3D Images Message-ID: <20000913183117.16038.qmail@web4902.mail.yahoo.com> I didn't realize that vision problems were a factor in not being able to see 3D images. I do wear glasses, so maybe that's it! Thanks for sharing that with me. Karen --- Mexpebbles@aol.com wrote: > I've heard that if you have problems with your > vision, whether it be > nearsighted or farsighted, that you will have a hard > time seeing the 3D > Images. I personally can't see them either, but I > also wear contacts and > have to blink too much. That might be the problem > as Karen was mentioning. > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From must_09@hotmail.com Wed Sep 13 19:32:02 2000 From: must_09@hotmail.com (mike brooks) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:32:02 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: Des anyone out there know why we perceive dreams the same as we do reality? It seems to me that we will act as if we would in the real world as when we are dreaming, I suppose logically, if it looks, acts, and alks like a duck, it is. Please send feedback _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Wed Sep 13 19:44:24 2000 From: kgriffin2001@yahoo.com (Karen Griffin) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:44:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] 3D Images Message-ID: <20000913184424.8379.qmail@web4905.mail.yahoo.com> I can't really see the 3D images even when wearing the funky glasses. The vision problem scenario makes sense to me, though. I also have a hard time "visualizing." Whenever I try to do something creative, like decorating or garden design, I have to use pictures or crude drawings to be able to "see" what the outcome is going to be. I have often wondered if the two go together - do you need to have a more "creative" mind than I have to be able to visualize and to see 3D images? Perhaps (hopefully) they can both be learned. --- Karen Macurdy wrote: > I have never been able to see them either. And > often I don't see the > optical illusions that require focusing for long > periods of time. I have > been told this is because I blink too much, which is > probably at least > partly related to wearing contacts. Do you have > trouble focusing for a > long time? Or do you wear contacts? These seem > like more likely reasons, > or at least easier to remedy, than problems with > color perception. Can you > see in 3D when you look at the 3D pictures while > wearing the funky glasses? > > Karen Leishman > > > >From: Karen Griffin > >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >Subject: [Psych3120] 3D Images > >Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:33:55 -0700 (PDT) > > > >I have a question. I have never been able to > >distinguish 3D images. Others will look at the > >posters or photos and see what they're supposed to > >see, but I just don't get it. Is this because of a > >color perception problem, or is it an image > perception > >problem? I'm not sure why my brain doesn't > register > >these images. Any thoughts? > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from > anywhere! > >http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Psych3120 mailing list > >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own > public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From falsecents@hotmail.com Wed Sep 13 19:50:08 2000 From: falsecents@hotmail.com (F.C.S. S.L.C.) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:50:08 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] September 12th class... Message-ID: >From: Mexpebbles@aol.com >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] September 12th class... >Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:39:56 EDT > >I found today's class very beneficial. I enjoy classes where we have >visuals >to go along with what we are learning. It helps me understand the concepts >better. It was fun to learn about perception and realize that what we see >may not really be what is there, but what we "think" is there. It blows my >mind to think about it! Anyway, I just wanted to say that. Does anyone >else >agree? > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 I agree the lecture was great. The examples and visuals helped me to understand these concepts much better. I felt a little lost on a few things, but the lecture cured my problems. I have enjoyed learning about perception. I find it especially interesting the way our mind fills in visual stimulus that is not there (like the example with the triangles). _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Wed Sep 13 20:10:58 2000 From: kgriffin2001@yahoo.com (Karen Griffin) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:10:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Yahoo! News Story - Bush Says Ad in Rat Flap Will Be Changed Message-ID: <20000913191058.11692.qmail@web4905.mail.yahoo.com> I think Bush's ad will be either effective or ineffective depending on which side of the fence you sit. For those who perceive the democrats, and particularly Al Gore and Bill Clinton, as the bad guys, the reference to them as "rats" will hit home. Their perception of the democrats be reinforced. For those who like the democrats, the ad will reinforce their beliefs as well by ignoring the reference as just being political. However, this is all dependent on whether or not your mind picks up the message in the first place. Like Sperling's tests showed (I don't know if you've covered these in you class yet or not), the mind may see the entire image (the message), but I believe that unless you pay attention to it and deem it to be important, it may never get processed in the first place. Karen Griffin --- Yahoo! News wrote:
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republican presidential candidate George W. Bush (news - web sites) said on Tuesday his campaign had dropped a television ad in which the word ``RATS'' flashes across the screen in an apparent subliminal message attacking his opponent.

In the advertisement, an image of Democratic presidential candidate Vice President Al Gore (news - web sites) is followed by fragments of the words ``Bureaucrats decide'', with the word ``RATS'' flashing on the screen before the entire word ``bureaucrats'' appears.

Speaking to reporters in Orlando, Florida, Bush said he was convinced the inclusion of the word ``RATS'' was not intentional, but said the advertisement would no longer be used.

``This ad is coming out of rotation, it turns out any way,'' said Bush. ``In other words, it is not going to be played any more.''

``Conspiracy theories abound in America's politics. I don't think we need to be subliminal about the differences between our views on prescription drugs. That's where the debate ought to be,'' he added.

Earlier, Bush said on ABC's ``Good Morning America'' program that he first heard about the advertisement when he woke up on Tuesday.

``Campaigns take bizarre twists and this has to be one of the more bizarre accusations,'' the Texas governor said. ``We don't need to be manufacturing subliminal messages to get my message across.''

Gore spokesman Chris Lehane said the Gore camp was disappointed by the advertisement. ``We have never seen anything like this. The ad speaks for itself,'' Lehane said, without commenting further.

The New York Times carried a front-page story on Tuesday under the banner headline ``Democrats See, and Smell, Rats in G.O.P. Ad.''

The Times said an eagle-eyed Democrat in Seattle had examined the advertisement frame-by-frame and spotted the word ''RATS'' appearing on the screen.

Alex Castellanos, who produced the advertisement for the Republican National Committee, told the New York Times the use of the word ``RATS'' was ``purely accidental.''

``We don't play ball that way. I'm not that clever,'' he said.

Bush told reporters that he did not think the people who produced the ad should be fired as he had accepted their word that the word ``RATS'' had not appeared on purpose.

It was the second publicity gaffe to hit the Bush campaign in a week.

Last week Bush also got himself into trouble when he was overheard using an expletive in taking about a New York Times reporter that was caught on a live microphone.

The Texas governor was unaware his microphone was live when he leaned over to his running mate, Dick Cheney (news - web sites), at a Labor Day rally and said: ``There's Adam Clymer, major league asshole from the New York Times.''

Cheney replied ``Oh yeah, he is, big time.''

Later Bush said he regretted everyone heard his comment but sidestepped a question about whether he would apologize to the journalist.

Bush, who has said on several occasions he wants to change the tone in Washington to one of ``civility and respect,'' was unhappy with a series of articles by Clymer who was critical of his record as governor.

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_______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From A.Cahoon@m.cc.utah.edu Wed Sep 13 20:12:53 2000 From: A.Cahoon@m.cc.utah.edu (A Cahoon) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:12:53 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: I thought one of the most interesting illusions on Tuesday was the pinwheel illusion. It was pretty weird to see the surface of my hand moving like that. It made me realize that we take for granted what we see as true way too often. It looked so real. I was wondering if that's the kind of effect people have when they take hallucinogenic or psychodellic drugs. Does anyone have any insight on what it is like and if it is similar to the illusion I saw on my hand? Amy Cahoon #00077943 From kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Wed Sep 13 20:33:42 2000 From: kgriffin2001@yahoo.com (Karen Griffin) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:33:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Color and Perception Message-ID: <20000913193342.10908.qmail@web4904.mail.yahoo.com> As I've read through the various postings about color and how we see it, I continued to think about the linguistic-relativity hypothesis. While I understand that cognitive psychologists don't put a lot of faith in this hypothesis, I do think that some things about perception can be drawn from it. I'm sure we've all heard about the number of words that the Inuit people have for snow and that the need for this arises from their environment. As I was reading further I discovered that the Dani of New Guinea only have two words to describe color - mola for warm and mili for cool. Testing was done to show that the individuals can actually see the full spectrum of color, but in their environment there is no need to use the words that describe multiple colors. What I am drawing from this for the current discussion is that while light and electromagnetic energy provide the visual sensations (except for those who are blind or colorblind)it is our knowledge and motivations that cause us to see the colors. Some of the work that was done by the Gestalt psychologists found that we try to take bits and pieces of information that we are provided and try to put these bits and pieces together to make sense of our world. The development of the Gestalt heuristics, or rules of thumb, that have to do with perception make a lot of sense when you understand that we learn from experience that two images go together, or that a tomato is red, or the grass is green. If we can very quickly look at grass and know that it is green, that is one less thing that we have to consciously process; one less thing that we have to make sense out of in our ever complicated world. It's like reading this page. If we had to stop and analyze each letter and then each word, we would never get through anything. But, because we've acquired knowledge and understanding of how things go together, we can apply that knowledge to what we see and hear to help us keep our world from being total chaos. Perhaps this also helps explain why we adapt to changes in vision and other change. If we continued to see things in a novel way and had to consciously process first how things are and then try to attach that to how things were, it would take us too long to process everyday information and we would not be able to function in a fast-paced world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From mobiaz@excite.com Wed Sep 13 22:19:32 2000 From: mobiaz@excite.com (mobiaz@excite.com) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:19:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Sight. Message-ID: <18473777.968879972107.JavaMail.imail@seamore.excite.com> Can individuals who are blind, but have blind sight get motion sickness with respect to their sight. I know that some aspects of this phenomenon deal with choclear orientation and movement, but I also know that someof it deals with sight and the inability to focuss. Thus because of some portion of the visual system that is still intact could it cause motion sickness? _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From mobiaz@excite.com Wed Sep 13 23:12:27 2000 From: mobiaz@excite.com (mobiaz@excite.com) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:12:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Various Wavelengths. Message-ID: <12152484.968883147489.JavaMail.imail@seamore.excite.com> So do animals that can see some of the lower wavelenths such as Infrared see things such as heat signitures or breath. Our bodies are giving off heat all the time and I beleive that this electromagnetic radiation is within this spectrum of light. Thus by seeing this are they at any special advantage or is it just that they see the other spectrum and there is no other advantage other than that is what evolution has selected for them. Tyler Burnett _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From gleim@uswest.net Wed Sep 13 23:52:47 2000 From: gleim@uswest.net (The Gleim's) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:52:47 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] September 12th class... Message-ID: <004f01c01dd5$568266c0$d66ae03f@gliem> I totally agree with your point of view. It is certainly mind blowing that what we are percieving may not be what we are actually seeing. The fact that our brain is capable of altering what we see in order to make it fit within our knowledge and experiences of how things should be is a very exciting concept. If you stop to think about it, the implications are phenomenal. We really cannot trust our visual system as the final word or decision on anything. I can't wait to hear about the evidence on eye-witness accounts because from what we have already learned, it's obviously not fool-proof. Heather Gleim 00067221 -----Original Message----- From: Mexpebbles@aol.com To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Date: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 9:40 PM Subject: [Psych3120] September 12th class... >I found today's class very beneficial. I enjoy classes where we have visuals >to go along with what we are learning. It helps me understand the concepts >better. It was fun to learn about perception and realize that what we see >may not really be what is there, but what we "think" is there. It blows my >mind to think about it! Anyway, I just wanted to say that. Does anyone else >agree? > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From ilikeduplos@hotmail.com Thu Sep 14 02:49:36 2000 From: ilikeduplos@hotmail.com (Erica Fleming) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:49:36 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Dreaming in color Message-ID: I have to say that I definately dream in color. My dreams are usually so vivid and real that sometimes when I wake up it's hard to shake myself from that dream world. I think that it's amazing that we feel, percieve, see (in depth, color, sizes, shapes and so on) in color. Erica >From: "laura barron" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Dreaming in color >Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:47:52 MDT > >it is my understanding that people dream in both black and white and color, >each about 50% of the time. > > >From: Kelly Symes >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Dreaming in color >Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:15:34 -0700 (PDT) > >I don't know, I dream in color, how about you? >--- CatherineW123@aol.com wrote: > > Someone once told me that some people dream in black > > and white while other > > people dream in color. Does anyone know if this is > > true? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Psych3120 mailing list > > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! >http://mail.yahoo.com/ > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From ilikeduplos@hotmail.com Thu Sep 14 02:52:57 2000 From: ilikeduplos@hotmail.com (Erica Fleming) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:52:57 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: I also remember that in class that we were told that subliminal messages were useless and wouldn't do a thing. But, if that is the true case then why has it been such an issue in the past? For instance, there have been recorded subliminal messages on t.v. in commercials, cartoons and so on. Also, why has it been a very talked about topic in the court room? Especially in the area of music (subliminal messages that perhaps the band members are trying to display?) If it does have no effect then what's the big deal with having it there? Not to say that I am for it....but do you get where I'm going with this. Erica >From: J Doonan >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) >Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:20:26 -0700 (PDT) > >In response to George W. Bush's recent advertisements >using subliminal messages. > >I think according to what we have learned in class >that such attempts to influence the public with >subliminal messages is a hopeless by the Bush >committee. > >These subliminal messages, it seems, would occur below >the threshold of our conscious awareness and therefor >not be processed into our memory. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! >http://mail.yahoo.com/ > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From ilikeduplos@hotmail.com Thu Sep 14 03:01:53 2000 From: ilikeduplos@hotmail.com (Erica Fleming) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:01:53 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] movies and perception Message-ID: I think that it's really interesting that movies/the camera, has the ability to create such realistic and visually stimulating pictures for us. Not only does it project a three dimensional scene on a two dimensional surface (the tv screen) but it also has the ability to use almost all of the size, depth perception and visual illusions. For instance, when the camera moves back and forth the viewers follows these movements with the eye and this can help to create a more realistic picture. Also the camera is able to zoom in and out like the eye. It seems that the camera works like an eye in order to relate to the audience. But what is also amazing is that the camera can create such strong messages and feelings just by placing the lens a little higher in some situations or lower in others. Angles, Close-ups and so on are also clever little techniques to trick the eye and also arouse a feeling or emotion. erica _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Thurie@aol.com Thu Sep 14 03:14:46 2000 From: Thurie@aol.com (Thurie@aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:14:46 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] Re: Bush's Advertising Message-ID: <72.2fa92cd.26f18e96@aol.com> From what I have heard subliminal messages aren't really effective. I haven't heard us talk too much about it in class yet, but it will be interesting to learn more about it. I don't think Bush really did this on purpose, I thought I read somewhere that it was illegal to try and use subliminal advertising in political campaigns anyway. Is that true? From Mexpebbles@aol.com Thu Sep 14 03:50:50 2000 From: Mexpebbles@aol.com (Mexpebbles@aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:50:50 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] movies and perception Message-ID: <22.b28a7e8.26f1970a@aol.com> I agree with you on movies! It's amazing what they can do on the big screen these days. They can create so many feelings and make you actually feel like you are in the movie. I am especially amazed by the IMAC films (is that what they are called?), where they can actually make you feel like you are doing something, for example riding a rollercoaster. It's strange because you know you are sitting in your seat watching the scene, but your body feels like it's riding this rollercoaster and you really want to get off or you might lose your lunch. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? If not, you need to go to Jordan Commons and watch one. Thanks! From salari_ali@hotmail.com Thu Sep 14 04:47:25 2000 From: salari_ali@hotmail.com (Ali Salari) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:47:25 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] [Fwd: [INFOVIZ] Fwd: Chicago Tribune | Nation World -- Nursing mistakes kill,injure t housands (fwd)] Message-ID: You here about stories like these all of the time. The disturbing thing is it seems to be getting worse instead of better. How much and what sort of evidence concerning perception and attention is best to strengthen the arguement that these facilities are compramising care and endangering lives? Can you claim this as a perception or attention problem if the nurse was truly that overwhelmed with work, or is it a flaw in this whole cost cutting trend. >From: David Strayer >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] [Fwd: [INFOVIZ] Fwd: Chicago Tribune | Nation World -- >Nursing mistakes kill,injure t housands (fwd)] >Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:07:06 -0600 > >Below is an excerpt from an article discussing real-world about issues of >perception, attention, and human factors engineering that is relevant to >the upcoming class >lectures. >--Dave > > > >"To compensate for understaffing, hospitals often rely on machines with > > >warning alarms to help monitor patients' vital signs. At least 216 >patient > > >deaths and 429 injuries have occurred in hospitals where registered >nurses > > >failed to hear alarms built into lifesaving equipment, such as >respirators > > >and blood-oxygen monitors. At a New York hospital in September last >year, a patient died unnoticed of a heart attack even though a respiratory >alarm sounded. A sole > > nurse assigned to monitor 10 patients told federal > > >investigators she did not hear the alarm because she was attending to > > >another patient in distress." > > > > > > > > > >http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/article/0,2669,ART-46844,FF.h > > >tml > > > > > > < > >thousands.htm>> > > > > > > > > ><< ds2144.vcf >> _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From listonbr@yahoo.com Thu Sep 14 05:51:33 2000 From: listonbr@yahoo.com (s.brandon liston) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:51:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] FYI Illusions Message-ID: <20000914045133.20743.rocketmail@web221.mail.yahoo.com> Just for your information, This helped me be able to understand the concept of how illusions actually process throughout your brain. In the 1970's psychologists Robert Sekular and Eugene Levinson, wrote in the Scientific American, an article on "perception of Moving targets," With a psychological explanation. "The brain has seperate motion detectors for different directions of motion. The motion detectors produce a stronger signal when there is motion and a weaker(but nonzero) signal when there is no motion, so as long as all the motion detectors are in balance with each other, you don't perceive any motion. When strongly stimulated by motion in a particular direction, the subset of detecters that respond to that motion become fatigued. When the stimulus is removed, the motion detectors for the opposite direction produce a stronger signal for a few seconds, until the fatigued motion detectors recover. This is thought to be the source or the motion afrereffect. Liston __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From kwan_carrie@hotmail.com Thu Sep 14 05:57:58 2000 From: kwan_carrie@hotmail.com (Carrie Kwan) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:57:58 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] personality colors Message-ID: In reponse to the person who wanted to know more about the personality color test. I have the book "The Color Code" by Taylor Hartman. I took the test which is contained in the book. And I am a white personality. I find the information in the book very accurate in many ways. Another person that I know took the test and came out to be yellow. And the descriptions for both of our personalities are quite precise. The book helps a person figure out their true inner motives, what drives them in their actions. It also helps people see their strengths and weaknesses in themselves and also how their personality match/conflict with others. It is a fun book with good insight, it even helps one to be a better person. I highly recommend it. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From ham070@hotmail.com Thu Sep 14 06:11:02 2000 From: ham070@hotmail.com (amber kresser) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 23:11:02 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] personality colors Message-ID: thanks for the info. i actually know a kid who is very in to all this color and personality tests. he groups people into a color as soon as he meets them. he had me pegged after about 20 min, he was pretty acurate however. i will have to check out more of this stuff. there is a website that has more info on this subject, check the psych website for a response to a letter about color stuff, the address is listed. >From: "Carrie Kwan" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] personality colors >Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:57:58 MDT > >In reponse to the person who wanted to know more about the personality >color >test. I have the book "The Color Code" by Taylor Hartman. I took the test >which is contained in the book. And I am a white personality. I find the >information in the book very accurate in many ways. Another person that I >know took the test and came out to be yellow. And the descriptions for both >of our personalities are quite precise. The book helps a person figure out >their true inner motives, what drives them in their actions. It also helps >people see their strengths and weaknesses in themselves and also how their >personality match/conflict with others. It is a fun book with good insight, >it even helps one to be a better person. I highly recommend it. >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Mad4madimac@aol.com Thu Sep 14 06:30:33 2000 From: Mad4madimac@aol.com (Mad4madimac@aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 01:30:33 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] personality colors Message-ID: <5b.b4063dc.26f1bc79@aol.com> I am was trained with the color code this summer and just taught my first seminar tonight. It is an amazing way to understand and see yourself. It has helped me to accept my own strengths and limitations, as well as see others in a more accepting light. The book is wonderful as was said here, but Taylor Hartman's second book "Color your Future," is equally great in understanding how to speak the languages of those around you that you do not understand. Great stuff! Madison McAllister #00155404 From Ryanjg76@cs.com Thu Sep 14 14:54:26 2000 From: Ryanjg76@cs.com (Ryanjg76@cs.com) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:54:26 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] Various Wavelengths. Message-ID: <78.a2c38cd.26f23292@cs.com> This is just in response to your question regaurding infrared wavelenthgs (long wavelength). In chapter 3, which is off the internet, they describe the differences between inrared and ultraviolet rays and give examples of animals which can see these different wavelengths. The chapter explains that boa constrictors and pit vipers see these wavelenthgs and can form heat-sensitive images of their potential prey. That example makes me believe that those things that can see inrared rays do have an advantage over those things that can not. So I think that these animals can see heat signitures and breath from their potential prey. Ryan G. From yellekb@yahoo.com Thu Sep 14 17:32:38 2000 From: yellekb@yahoo.com (kelly stucki) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:32:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] personality colors Message-ID: <20000914163238.20045.qmail@web106.yahoomail.com> --- Carrie Kwan wrote: > In reponse to the person who wanted to know more > about the personality color > test. I have the book "The Color Code" by Taylor > Hartman. I took the test > which is contained in the book. And I am a white > personality. I find the > information in the book very accurate in many ways. > Another person that I > know took the test and came out to be yellow. And > the descriptions for both > of our personalities are quite precise. The book > helps a person figure out > their true inner motives, what drives them in their > actions. It also helps > people see their strengths and weaknesses in > themselves and also how their > personality match/conflict with others. It is a fun > book with good insight, > it even helps one to be a better person. I highly > recommend it. > I also recommend the personality color test. My first psychology class, which was 101, the teacher actually gave us a sample of it. Out of the entire class the test was 3/4ths acurate on detecting the personalities. I am the color blue, which was right on. I keep on taking it about every year to see if I have change. This test is a good way to self examine. It points out your strengths and weaknesses and also it also gives you ideas on what careers you would be good at. kelly 00165065 _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own > public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 ===== STUCKI POWER!!!!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From klmacurdy@hotmail.com Thu Sep 14 20:40:18 2000 From: klmacurdy@hotmail.com (Karen Macurdy) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:40:18 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] Sight. Message-ID: I'm not sure what you mean by "blind, but have blind sight." However, I have heard from someone about amusement park rides from a man who went blind as an adult. He said that as a teenager, he could go on any ride at Lagoon, but now that he can't see anything, he gets motion sickness really easily and can't ride any of the roller coasters. (On the other hand, I have heard similar reports from people who became more prone to motion sickness as they got older, without any indication that it was because of changes in vision.) Anybody else know anything about how or why that changes? How much does sight have to do with it? Karen Leishman >From: mobiaz@excite.com >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] Sight. >Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:19:32 -0700 (PDT) > >Can individuals who are blind, but have blind sight get motion sickness >with >respect to their sight. I know that some aspects of this phenomenon deal >with choclear orientation and movement, but I also know that someof it >deals >with sight and the inability to focuss. Thus because of some portion of >the >visual system that is still intact could it cause motion sickness? > > > > > >_______________________________________________________ >Say Bye to Slow Internet! >http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kimcrocheron@mail.com Thu Sep 14 20:58:03 2000 From: kimcrocheron@mail.com (Kim Crocheron) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Thursday Lecture Message-ID: <383204696.968961505185.JavaMail.root@web190-iw> I don't really understand a lot of what we talked about in class today. Especially the equations and charts, does anybody know what all of that business was? Help! ........................................................ iWon.com http://www.iwon.com why wouldn't you? ........................................................ From Melissa.Lemon@m.cc.utah.edu Tue Sep 12 19:11:58 2000 From: Melissa.Lemon@m.cc.utah.edu (Melissa.Lemon@m.cc.utah.edu) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 12:11:58 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Psych3120] The Ripple Effect Message-ID: <20000912181158.E1BA353B61@dorothy.ks.cc.utah.edu> Something in that I read in the first chapter of our text book has really made me think. It is how when driving in a car or just moving at any pace, things that are closest to us seem to go by faster than things that are far away. Obviously this has to do with distance and how up close, we can see things in great detail. Because of our incredible abilities to see detail, things that are close up have more to them. However, our limited vision (we can't zoom in like a camera can,) makes things that are far away almost dull in color, texture, and contrast. It is almost as if we live in the ripple effect. Things that surround us closely we are able to see in great detail. Too many things to ever notice while moving at great speen. The farther and farther things get away, the more broad the circles are, and it is easy to see things at a distance when you're moving, even though you can't see in great detail. Our near vision and far vision therefore tend to compliment each other. On the one hand you can't see everything, but what you do see is in great detail. On the other hand, you can see everything, only in a broader sense. Our visual system is amazing! From Elizabeth.Gardner@m.cc.utah.edu Thu Sep 14 19:04:31 2000 From: Elizabeth.Gardner@m.cc.utah.edu (Elizabeth Gardner) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:04:31 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Migraines Message-ID: Sorry to digress back to the topic of vision, but since starting this class I have been curious about the role that vision and perception plays in my experience as a chronic migraine sufferer. I don't know if anyone else has experienced this, but when I used to suffer migraines I would notice spots or colors in my vision before a migraine began. SOmetimes this would appear as a blind spot in my vision, or a bright metallic looking spot, or often I would see scattered dots of color. I know that this is a common symptom of migraines, often thought of as a signal that one is going to start. DOes anyone know how the brain sends signals to your visual system and how the beginning of a migraine relates to your vision? This is something I've always wondered! From Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com Thu Sep 14 21:08:41 2000 From: Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com (Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:08:41 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: The example in class in regards to Bush's promo was amazing to witness, but to be quite honest, I would have never caught it if it wasn't presented in this fashion (slow motion). This verifies to me that subliminal messages are useless because people are incapable of catching them. In regards to TV. Music, Movies, etc....the reason why it has been a big issue, has to do more with grassroot organizations validating their existence. Not that I'm against it, but some actually do accomplish change, and others are either trying to get rid of some personal guilt or just need to find another hobby. Leonard Cancel #00180520 >---------- >From: Erica Fleming[SMTP:ilikeduplos@hotmail.com] >Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 7:52 PM >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] (no subject) > >I also remember that in class that we were told that subliminal messages >were useless and wouldn't do a thing. But, if that is the true case then >why has it been such an issue in the past? For instance, there have been >recorded subliminal messages on t.v. in commercials, cartoons and so on. >Also, why has it been a very talked about topic in the court room? >Especially in the area of music (subliminal messages that perhaps the band >members are trying to display?) If it does have no effect then what's the >big deal with having it there? Not to say that I am for it....but do you get >where I'm going with this. > >Erica > > >>From: J Doonan >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) >>Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:20:26 -0700 (PDT) >> >>In response to George W. Bush's recent advertisements >>using subliminal messages. >> >>I think according to what we have learned in class >>that such attempts to influence the public with >>subliminal messages is a hopeless by the Bush >>committee. >> >>These subliminal messages, it seems, would occur below >>the threshold of our conscious awareness and therefor >>not be processed into our memory. >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! >>http://mail.yahoo.com/ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Psych3120 mailing list >>Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From candyphi@hotmail.com Thu Sep 14 22:43:23 2000 From: candyphi@hotmail.com (candyphi nguyen) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:43:23 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] confuse Message-ID: We are using the method of asking true and false question today to eliminate half of the wrong answer. Most of the time, we always use the even number of choices (like number from 1-8 or A,B,C,D). What if we have the answer in odd # like 1-9, how will we know which one is the right number? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From sweetfogs@hotmail.com Fri Sep 15 01:04:15 2000 From: sweetfogs@hotmail.com (Jaimie Cogswell) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 00:04:15 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] personality perceptions Message-ID: I was reading about the color personality tests and how they can tell you your strengths and weaknesses and what job you might be good in. I was wondering if because in your personality color, it says you tend to have a certain weakness, if that will induce you to not try as hard when it comes to that certain aspect because you can just pigeon hole it and say, "Oh, I suck at that because I'm a green so I'm not going to even try." Do you think that these personality tests affect people and how they precieve themselves, prior to taking the test versus after taking the test? Or do you think that these personality tests are pretty accurate and my point may play some role, but not significantly? I was just wondering what other poeple thought about such tests and if I was just being too skeptical. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Mad4madimac@aol.com Fri Sep 15 03:01:21 2000 From: Mad4madimac@aol.com (Mad4madimac@aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 22:01:21 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] personality perceptions Message-ID: <7f.9a86a13.26f2dcf1@aol.com> In reply to your question about the color code tests, I know of the "Color Code" by Taylor Hartman, but am not familiar with any others, I can at least tell you about that one. People definitely take thing the way they want to. I have heard of people taking the "Color Code" and using it as an excuse for who they are or what they do. But the test is designed to teach us about what drives us and also to understand ourselves and others better. The second book that is a companion to the "Color Code" is "Color your future." It speaks about how to become charactered, in other words, speaking the language of others that are driven by a totally different motive than you are. If you try to incorporate others natural strengths into your personality, then you learn to speak their language. If I being a yellow, am driven by fun, try to understand the white that is driven by peace, try become more patient, since this is one of their natural strengths, then I can relate to them, and overcome one of my limitation. The one where I try to run people of the road because they are too slow. Accepting yourself first and then learning to overcome your nature limitations, is the ultimate goal in this system. Madison #00155404 From gsl9@hotmail.com Fri Sep 15 04:41:29 2000 From: gsl9@hotmail.com (Greg Leigh) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:41:29 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] confuse Message-ID: Candyphi, In response to your question, you would use the same method. If you have numbers 1-8, you start off with four. If you have numbers 1-9, you would start at five, which is exactly in the middle. Then, if it's higher, you would guess 7 and if it's lower, you would go to 3. Then, if it's still higher than 7, you could guess 8, and if it's not 8, it's 9, and so forth. It would be the same process. Furthermore, it's actually easier, because the number you would guess on an odd number of answers would be exactly in the middle, whereas with even numbers, you actually start closer to one side or another. Greg >From: "candyphi nguyen" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] confuse >Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:43:23 GMT > >We are using the method of asking true and false question today to >eliminate >half of the wrong answer. Most of the time, we always use the even number >of choices (like number from 1-8 or A,B,C,D). What if we have the answer >in >odd # like 1-9, how will we know which one is the right number? >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jjfoust@ix.netcom.com Fri Sep 15 06:04:47 2000 From: jjfoust@ix.netcom.com (Jaime C. Foust) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 23:04:47 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Dreaming in color Message-ID: <39C1ADEF.79AC9244@ix.netcom.com> I know people don't usually remember dreams, however thinking back to bits and pieces I do remember, I do not recall ever dreaming in black and white, only color. Does any one else? That is a really interesting point. I would be interested if anyone has experienced this. laura barron lauraebarron@hotmail.com Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:47:52 MDT it is my understanding that people dream in both black and white and color, each about 50% of the time. From: Kelly Symes Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Dreaming in color Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:15:34 -0700 (PDT) I don't know, I dream in color, how about you? --- CatherineW123@aol.com wrote: > Someone once told me that some people dream in black > and white while other > people dream in color. Does anyone know if this is > true? > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jpix@networld.com Fri Sep 15 15:48:25 2000 From: jpix@networld.com (Jeffrey Pixton) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 08:48:25 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] subliminal messages Message-ID: <200009151450.IAA03890@jafo.csbs.utah.edu> During yesterday's lecture which touched on subliminal messaging, I was reminded of a character on Saturday Night Live who used it in his skits. I believe it was the newscaster Tom Nealon and as he discussed the news he would make one-word comments in response to the story and make it sound like it was part of the news story. Does anyone remember this? I just thought it was interesting as an exxagerated example of subliminal messaging. Natalie Janovak ********************************* Get your free E-Mail and Homepage Go to http://www.networld.com ********************************* From Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com Fri Sep 15 16:13:52 2000 From: Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com (Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 09:13:52 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Stereoscopic Pictures Message-ID: From the readings...Stereoscopic pictures consist of two pictures, one for the right eye and one for the left eye. When the two picitures are seen at the same time in the stereoscope, they combine to make a three-dimensional scene. The example they give us in the readings to try, I have tried, but can not fuse them together? The readings state that it takes a while for some to accomplish this and eventually you will achieve the three dimensional image, but I have tried for several days and have not. Not being able to do it now, made me wonder if their are individuals who "can not" accomplish three dimensional images at all? Or are we all able to do this? Leonard Cancel #00180520 From jpix@networld.com Fri Sep 15 16:15:00 2000 From: jpix@networld.com (Jeffrey Pixton) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 09:15:00 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] confuse In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200009151515.JAA04488@jafo.csbs.utah.edu> I believe that if you have an odd number of choices, you can utilize other equations to eliminate answers. Dr. Strayer did say that the formula could get a lot more complex than it was in the lecture. Hope this helps. -----Original Message----- From: "candyphi nguyen" To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:43:23 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] confuse >We are using the method of asking true and false question today to >eliminate >half of the wrong answer. Most of the time, we always use the even >number >of choices (like number from 1-8 or A,B,C,D). What if we have the >answer in >odd # like 1-9, how will we know which one is the right number? >______________________________________________________________________ >___ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 ********************************* Get your free E-Mail and Homepage Go to http://www.networld.com ********************************* From D.K.Nelson@m.cc.utah.edu Fri Sep 15 16:33:50 2000 From: D.K.Nelson@m.cc.utah.edu (D.K.Nelson@m.cc.utah.edu) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 09:33:50 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Psych3120] migraine Message-ID: <20000915153350.8FC4F53CD5@dorothy.ks.cc.utah.edu> Elizabeth, I also suffer from migraine and here is what I have heard regarding visual spots, or auras. Migraine is an organic neeurological disease with headache pain caused by vasodilation (expansion of vessels) in cranial blood vessels. Some doctors believe the auras are caused by some local effect on a nerve that has connections in the brain because in the hospital they have seen cases where the haedache goes away but the aura persists for up to 10 minutes. I know it's not much info but there just isn't much out there. From kvrennie@hotmail.com Fri Sep 15 17:37:45 2000 From: kvrennie@hotmail.com (Kelly Rennie) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:37:45 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Attention Message-ID: I was thinking about the lecture on 9/14 and I remembered that I once read that men and women have differences in their attention abilities. The article had said that men had evolved to only be able to pay attention to one thing at a time, and that this could be traced to caveman days when men went out to hunt. Their primary focus was to kill an animal and they needed to focus all their attention on one task. Women, on the other hand, being the gatherer of other food and the child care giver, had to focus attention on several tasks simultaneously. What does this say about the selective attention we were talking about? Does this mean that selective attention varies, not only from person to person, but within genders as well? I know my husband cannot do more than one thing at a time, but can that be blamed on his gender as a whole, or just him as a person? I would really like a male perspective on this. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kvrennie@hotmail.com Fri Sep 15 17:43:08 2000 From: kvrennie@hotmail.com (Kelly Rennie) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:43:08 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] sight Message-ID: Going back to Ethan's question last week, about if a child was raised in a solely black and white environment, could they still see color. You may have heard about a psychological experiment involving kittens raised in an environment consisting entirely of vertical lines. The kittens were later moved to a normal environment, and they were unable to comprehend horizontal lines. They could not jump onto tables, couches, anything with a flat surface because they just didn't see it. I figure babies would be similar to this. This also leads me to another question..Has anyone ever read anywhere how they KNOW that cats (or dogs or any other animal for that matter) can ONLY see in black and white? I have heard it stated as a fact, but I have never heard the evidence. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From gsl9@hotmail.com Fri Sep 15 18:02:07 2000 From: gsl9@hotmail.com (Greg Leigh) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:02:07 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Attention Message-ID: This is in response to Kelly Rennie. I will tell you what I think. My girlfriend always tells me that I can't do two things at once. She will sit and eat dinner at a restaurant, listen to what I'm saying and at the same time, be listening to two other tables' conversations as well. I don't know how she does it. So, though I have never heard any evidence of it, I would tend to agree that females are better at doing simultaneous things at the same time. Also, I'm even worse if I'm watching TV. I don't hear a thing if someone starts to talk to me, and if I do, I lose my attention span on the TV. In order to not be distracted, I have to focus on just one thing. I would be interested to hear if anyone else has a different take. Greg >From: "Kelly Rennie" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] Attention >Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:37:45 MDT > >I was thinking about the lecture on 9/14 and I remembered that I once read >that men and women have differences in their attention abilities. The >article had said that men had evolved to only be able to pay attention to >one thing at a time, and that this could be traced to caveman days when men >went out to hunt. Their primary focus was to kill an animal and they >needed >to focus all their attention on one task. Women, on the other hand, being >the gatherer of other food and the child care giver, had to focus attention >on several tasks simultaneously. What does this say about the selective >attention we were talking about? Does this mean that selective attention >varies, not only from person to person, but within genders as well? I know >my husband cannot do more than one thing at a time, but can that be blamed >on his gender as a whole, or just him as a person? I would really like a >male perspective on this. >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From E.J.Dickerson@m.cc.utah.edu Fri Sep 15 18:26:30 2000 From: E.J.Dickerson@m.cc.utah.edu (E.J.Dickerson@m.cc.utah.edu) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:26:30 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Attention Message-ID: <20000915172630.8A17753EA0@dorothy.ks.cc.utah.edu> Is it possible to really focus on more than one skill at a time? It seems that the more experienced you are at preforming an activity the easier it is to preform that activity while doing something else. For example, whistling while working, or talking while driving. These are activities that most people are capable of doing at the same time. However, it seems impossible to preform more than one skill at a time, when one of those skills is a newly learned skill. For example, learning how to drive while talking on a cell phone. Our attention must select a specific activity to focus on in order preform the activity at an acceptable level of performance. From Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com Fri Sep 15 18:31:43 2000 From: Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com (Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:31:43 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Attention Message-ID: Additional response to this e--I tend to believe the opposite. Males can do several things at once. At work, I wear many different hats and need to be responsive at a moments notice. I am also going to school full time and renovating a house. The only problem I have in doing many things at one time is running out of time (the need to sleep and all). I believe we choose when, where and what, we pay attention too. Which is why it's selective attention. Leonard Cancel >---------- >From: Greg Leigh[SMTP:gsl9@hotmail.com] >Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 11:02 AM >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention > >This is in response to Kelly Rennie. I will tell you what I think. My >girlfriend always tells me that I can't do two things at once. She will sit >and eat dinner at a restaurant, listen to what I'm saying and at the same >time, be listening to two other tables' conversations as well. I don't know >how she does it. So, though I have never heard any evidence of it, I would >tend to agree that females are better at doing simultaneous things at the >same time. Also, I'm even worse if I'm watching TV. I don't hear a thing >if someone starts to talk to me, and if I do, I lose my attention span on >the TV. In order to not be distracted, I have to focus on just one thing. >I would be interested to hear if anyone else has a different take. > >Greg > > >>From: "Kelly Rennie" >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>Subject: [Psych3120] Attention >>Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:37:45 MDT >> >>I was thinking about the lecture on 9/14 and I remembered that I once read >>that men and women have differences in their attention abilities. The >>article had said that men had evolved to only be able to pay attention to >>one thing at a time, and that this could be traced to caveman days when men >>went out to hunt. Their primary focus was to kill an animal and they >>needed >>to focus all their attention on one task. Women, on the other hand, being >>the gatherer of other food and the child care giver, had to focus attention >>on several tasks simultaneously. What does this say about the selective >>attention we were talking about? Does this mean that selective attention >>varies, not only from person to person, but within genders as well? I know >>my husband cannot do more than one thing at a time, but can that be blamed >>on his gender as a whole, or just him as a person? I would really like a >>male perspective on this. >>_________________________________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >> >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>http://profiles.msn.com. >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Psych3120 mailing list >>Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From rosemary420@hotmail.com Fri Sep 15 19:39:52 2000 From: rosemary420@hotmail.com (Rosemary Russo) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 18:39:52 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] hallucinogenics Message-ID: In response to Amy's question about the pinwheel illusion, you're definately on the right track as to how hallucinogenic drugs change one's perception. The pinwheel illusion is probably one of the most effective ways to expereince the effects of an hallucinogen without actually ingesting one. It seems to me, that when on an hallucionogen, it's as though your own perception no longer is guided by experience and what you expect the world to look like. Shape constancy, color constancy, and almost all of the other aspects of perception that we have been learning about seem to be no longer controlling perception. Its as though a whole new set of rules comes into play and the one experiencing the 'trip' is generally confused and scared or just plain enjoying the ride. I've also heard that use of heavy hallucinogenic drugs can put in a person in a schizophrenic-like state, where their entire basis of reality has been changed and they're no longer sure where they are or who they are. I don't know any schiziophrenics so I'm not too sure about how the experiences differ....I do however know, that both schizophrenics and persons being treated for an halluciongenic drug overdose are given the same type of medication in a hospital setting, which is generally an anti-psychotic drug of some sort... Anyways, hope that sort of answers your question... ~Rosemary Russo~ #00086213 >>Message: 7 >>Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:12:53 -0600 (MDT) >>From: A Cahoon >>To: psych 3120 >>Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>I thought one of the most interesting illusions on Tuesday was the >>pinwheel illusion. It was pretty weird to see the surface of my hand >>moving like that. It made me realize that we take for granted what >>we >>see as true way too often. It looked so real. I was wondering if >> >>that's the kind of effect people have when they take hallucinogenic >> >>or psychodellic drugs. Does anyone have any insight on what it is >> >>like and if it is similar to the illusion I saw on my hand? >>Amy Cahoon #00077943 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jpix@networld.com Fri Sep 15 20:43:48 2000 From: jpix@networld.com (Jeffrey Pixton) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:43:48 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] hallucinogenics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200009151944.NAA09634@jafo.csbs.utah.edu> I just wanted to add that I know a guy who is diagnosed with drug induced schizophrenia. He is treated with antipsychotics and what he has told me falls right in line with what you are explaining here. Natalie Janovak -----Original Message----- From: "Rosemary Russo" To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 18:39:52 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] hallucinogenics >In response to Amy's question about the pinwheel illusion, you're >definately >on the right track as to how hallucinogenic drugs change one's >perception. >The pinwheel illusion is probably one of the most effective ways to >expereince the effects of an hallucinogen without actually ingesting >one. >It seems to me, that when on an hallucionogen, it's as though your own >perception no longer is guided by experience and what you expect the >world >to look like. Shape constancy, color constancy, and almost all of the >other >aspects of perception that we have been learning about seem to be no >longer >controlling perception. Its as though a whole new set of rules comes >into >play and the one experiencing the 'trip' is generally confused and >scared or >just plain enjoying the ride. I've also heard that use of heavy >hallucinogenic drugs can put in a person in a schizophrenic-like >state, >where their entire basis of reality has been changed and they're no >longer >sure where they are or who they are. I don't know any schiziophrenics >so >I'm not too sure about how the experiences differ....I do however >know, that >both schizophrenics and persons being treated for an halluciongenic >drug >overdose are given the same type of medication in a hospital setting, >which >is generally an anti-psychotic drug of some sort... >Anyways, hope that sort of answers your question... >~Rosemary Russo~ #00086213 > > > >>>Message: 7 >>>Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:12:53 -0600 (MDT) >>>From: A Cahoon >>>To: psych 3120 >>>Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) >>>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >>>I thought one of the most interesting illusions on Tuesday was the >>>pinwheel illusion. It was pretty weird to see the surface of my >hand >>>moving like that. It made me realize that we take for granted what >>>we >>>see as true way too often. It looked so real. I was wondering if >>> >>that's the kind of effect people have when they take >hallucinogenic >>> >>or psychodellic drugs. Does anyone have any insight on what it >is >>> >>like and if it is similar to the illusion I saw on my hand? >>>Amy Cahoon #00077943 > > >______________________________________________________________________ >___ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 ********************************* Get your free E-Mail and Homepage Go to http://www.networld.com ********************************* From yellekb@yahoo.com Fri Sep 15 23:33:17 2000 From: yellekb@yahoo.com (kelly stucki) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 15:33:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] subliminal messages Message-ID: <20000915223317.1971.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com> I remember it. I loved that particular skit. If i remember right, he would rip on people under his breath with a one word response. Yesterday's lecture on subliminal messages made me think on how many advertising companies have been misinformed on how subliminal messages do not work. I had to laugh at that ad for george bush's campaign. In all honesty, i would not have even noticed it, if it weren't for the slow motion and someone telling me what to look for. Kelly Stucki 00165065 --- Jeffrey Pixton wrote: > During yesterday's lecture which touched on > subliminal messaging, I was > reminded of a character on Saturday Night Live who > used it in his > skits. I believe it was the newscaster Tom Nealon > and as he discussed > the news he would make one-word comments in response > to the story and > make it sound like it was part of the news story. > Does anyone remember > this? I just thought it was interesting as an > exxagerated example of > subliminal messaging. > Natalie Janovak > > > > > ********************************* > Get your free E-Mail and Homepage > Go to http://www.networld.com > ********************************* > > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From alexispaulos@hotmail.com Sat Sep 16 00:27:13 2000 From: alexispaulos@hotmail.com (Alexis Paulos) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 17:27:13 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Attention Message-ID: >From: "Kelly Rennie" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] Attention >Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:37:45 MDT > >I was thinking about the lecture on 9/14 and I remembered that I once read >that men and women have differences in their attention abilities. The >article had said that men had evolved to only be able to pay attention to >one thing at a time, and that this could be traced to caveman days when men >went out to hunt. Their primary focus was to kill an animal and they >needed >to focus all their attention on one task. Women, on the other hand, being >the gatherer of other food and the child care giver, had to focus attention >on several tasks simultaneously. What does this say about the selective >attention we were talking about? Does this mean that selective attention >varies, not only from person to person, but within genders as well? I know >my husband cannot do more than one thing at a time, but can that be blamed >on his gender as a whole, or just him as a person? I would really like a >male perspective on this. >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 I have actually heard the same thing. I think that it is very possible that men and women have different types of attention. Not necessarily that men cant remember more than one thing at a time, but more along the lines that males and females possibly have different directions there attention goes. I also think that is is quite possible that we once had more divergent attentions, but now that the male/female roles are being shared more often, I would think we are moving out of those differences. Also I was thinking that maybe attention is also a learned thing. For instance, my father and mother think a million miles per hour and there attention is always shifting from one thing to another. I have been just like that my whole life too. It's not like we are scatter brained but we just think quickly and move on. Anyway when my boyfriend and I first started dating he could not stand going to dinner with my parents because our conversations jumped around from topic to topic. Well when I went to his parents house for dinner I could not stand it because we would talk about the same thing FOREVER. Any way to make this long point even longer, I think that it is possible to have your attention influenced by the environment you were raised in. So maybe your husbands family is just real laid back and focuses on one thing at a time, and maybe you are more like me and notice a hundred things all the time. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From AnnieJ312@aol.com Sat Sep 16 02:28:27 2000 From: AnnieJ312@aol.com (AnnieJ312@aol.com) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 21:28:27 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] color tests and attention Message-ID: This message is in response to Jamies and Kellys. First of all, I totally get what you're saying about color tests Jamie. It seems to me that I do it myself all the time. That is - justify something I do because I think that since I'm a yellow...I can't help it. I hadn't thought about this until I read your message. But now I keep thinking of all the times I do things like that. Also in response to Kelly Rennie's message about girls vs. guys attention spans, I think there is atleast some legitimacy to that idea. My boyfriend is constantly in awe over how many things I can do at once. I can talk to him on the phone and he would never know that I'm deeply involved in a tv show at the same time, whereas he can't make a phone call on his cell phone while he's driving without slowing down to almost a complete stop because he can't pay attention to his speed. I'm sure that gender has to have something to do with it. From jonnyutah@mindspring.com Sat Sep 16 07:08:56 2000 From: jonnyutah@mindspring.com (Jon Lindberg) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 00:08:56 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Sensitivity of the brain References: Message-ID: <39C30E78.F0B38778@mindspring.com> Hi all, Wasn't the tuesday lecture cool? Anyway, I am writng in reference to the readings for this week. I found that the different theories of distance perception were quite intriguing. I couldn't quite pin-point to which I would subscribe to exclusively; however, I find a bit of truth to each. For example, empiricism states essentially that we are not born with the ability to perceive distance, rather, it is a learned concept. I buy that. As with Gibson, lets face it, his theory is strange and I find myself unable to agree entirely with him. He stated essentially that perceptual cues were not essential for understanding the world around us, that each stimuli contained the all the information necessary for perceiving distance. Yeah, stimuli contain a great deal of information, but I think we rely on various stimuli to determine distance. And finally, the computational approach essentially states that knowledge is essential to perception and is an indirect, low level process. In other words, a combination of experience and information from processing nodules (low level processor with limited function...for example, one module detects motion, one detects size, etc.) gives rise to perception. I buy that. Perhaps there are "modules" that perform these types of tasks, and that vision isn't totally localized in the LGN or the visual cortex. As I stated earlier, I find all of this terribly fascinating, however, I think they all touch on some truth of the whole picture. From kmarc1@yahoo.com Sat Sep 16 15:00:10 2000 From: kmarc1@yahoo.com (Marcus Kimsey) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 07:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] subliminal messages Message-ID: <20000916140010.5576.qmail@web204.mail.yahoo.com> In reference to SNL and the RATS ad, I think the biggest joke is that someone bought into the subliminal hype and made that ad at all. What an embarassmet for Bush. I'm certain that if that ad has had an effect on Al Gore's campaign it has been to make it stronger. It makes me wonder, is there someone formerly with an ad agency out looking for work now? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From Mexpebbles@aol.com Sat Sep 16 17:09:57 2000 From: Mexpebbles@aol.com (Mexpebbles@aol.com) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 12:09:57 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] Dreaming in color Message-ID: <10.25787c6.26f4f555@aol.com> I don't think I have ever dreamed in black and white either. But I might have, it's hard to say. Anyone else? From tarahdavis@yahoo.com Sun Sep 17 02:19:15 2000 From: tarahdavis@yahoo.com (Tarah davis) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 18:19:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Information Theory Message-ID: <20000917011915.1012.qmail@web1004.mail.yahoo.com> I have a question in regards to the lecture about information theory. Does the noise varible vary according to situation, person, or both? Is there an average amount of noise in every information transmission? I did not remember hearing anything about this in the lecture, did anyone else? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From CatherineW123@aol.com Sun Sep 17 17:50:14 2000 From: CatherineW123@aol.com (CatherineW123@aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 12:50:14 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] 3D Images Message-ID: <81.c18548.26f65046@aol.com> In response to the posting about the 3D pictures I can't seen them either and I don't wear contacts. I believe that I can focus for long periods of time though. From CatherineW123@aol.com Sun Sep 17 17:51:41 2000 From: CatherineW123@aol.com (CatherineW123@aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 12:51:41 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] Depth Perception Message-ID: My friend's sister has a lazy eye and she says that she can see out of it just fine. This may be just her. Maybe different people can or cannot. From CatherineW123@aol.com Sun Sep 17 17:52:51 2000 From: CatherineW123@aol.com (CatherineW123@aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 12:52:51 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] Yahoo! News Story - Bush Says Ad in Rat Flap Will Be Changed Message-ID: Why do people still believe so much in subliminal messages? There is not a lot of evidence for it, but many people believe it as working. From CatherineW123@aol.com Sun Sep 17 17:54:43 2000 From: CatherineW123@aol.com (CatherineW123@aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 12:54:43 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] 3D Images Message-ID: Maybe you have to train your eyes to see the dot pictures. From CatherineW123@aol.com Sun Sep 17 18:04:20 2000 From: CatherineW123@aol.com (CatherineW123@aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 13:04:20 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] Attention Message-ID: There was a story about a year ago on a show like Twenty/Twenty and they said that males can only do two things at once because of the way their brain works and females can do more than one thing simultaneously because their brain functions differently than male brains. I don't know how much research there is supporting this. From norrisrachel@freeport.com Sun Sep 17 20:41:29 2000 From: norrisrachel@freeport.com (Rachel Norris) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 19:41:29 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] 3D Images Message-ID: <200009171938.NAA29132@jafo.csbs.utah.edu> I can't see them either. I do wear glasses, but only to see far distances. I'm not sure why? > In response to the posting about the 3D pictures I can't seen them either and > I don't wear contacts. I believe that I can focus for long periods of time > though. > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From norrisrachel@freeport.com Sun Sep 17 20:47:28 2000 From: norrisrachel@freeport.com (Rachel Norris) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 19:47:28 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] Attention Message-ID: <200009171944.NAA29269@jafo.csbs.utah.edu> I think that it is possible to do two different things at once, but it all depends on what the two tasks are. I think that there are many things that come so natural to us (like riding a bike) that we can do some other tasks along with it because we don't have to pay a lot (if any) attention to the task that comes naturally. > > Is it possible to really focus on more than one skill at > a time? It seems that the more experienced you are at > preforming an activity the easier it is to preform that > activity while doing something else. For example, > whistling while working, or talking while driving. These > are activities that most people are capable of doing at > the same time. However, it seems impossible to preform > more than one skill at a time, when one of those skills > is a newly learned skill. For example, learning how to > drive while talking on a cell phone. Our attention must > select a specific activity to focus on in order preform > the activity at an acceptable level of performance. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From tarahdavis@yahoo.com Mon Sep 18 00:01:00 2000 From: tarahdavis@yahoo.com (Tarah davis) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 16:01:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Color deficiencies and driving. Message-ID: <20000917230100.4954.qmail@web1005.mail.yahoo.com> I think it should be mandatory that people take color vision tests, or specify eye color deficiency at the DMV before obtaining a driver's license. It should be specified under restrictions (just like corrective lens'). It would not hurt to be informed of a person's color deficiency, especially if could prevent an accident. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From jlallatin@yahoo.com Mon Sep 18 00:21:48 2000 From: jlallatin@yahoo.com (Jon Lallatin) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 16:21:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Yahoo! News Story - Bush Says Ad in Rat Flap Will Be Changed Message-ID: <20000917232148.3926.qmail@web5204.mail.yahoo.com> --- CatherineW123@aol.com wrote: > Why do people still believe so much in subliminal > messages? There is not a > lot of evidence for it, but many people believe it > as working. > > _________I agree. What I don't get is that whole RAT thing. Wasn't the word Bureaucrat? Doesn't that imply all individuals associated with the government? I didn't see the word Democrat but maybe it was there.______________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 From CatherineW123@aol.com Mon Sep 18 00:22:42 2000 From: CatherineW123@aol.com (CatherineW123@aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 19:22:42 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] Color deficiencies and driving. Message-ID: <51.edb048.26f6ac42@aol.com> I think that having mandatory color blindness test at the DMV would also be a good idea. This could prevent accidents where people are not aware of the fact that they are colorblind. From jefbruwid@excite.com Mon Sep 18 00:33:07 2000 From: jefbruwid@excite.com (Jeff Widdison) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 16:33:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Attention Message-ID: <13262343.969233587492.JavaMail.imail@prickles> I don't believe that attention has any gender reliance. Just as something can be evolved into the gene pool, it can also become extinct from the gene pool. If at one time attention could be attributed to gender, it is not so now. I have a job that requires me to attend to 3 or even 4 tasks at the same time, and I do it quite successfully. I believe that this is a case of nurture and not nature. As little girls, the females are generally taught to occupy themselves with different domestic tasks and they see mothers doing just that (i.e. cook, answer the telephone and tend to small children all at once). I don't me to be stereotypical, but that is what society teaches. Males on the other hand, usually are given one task that require maximal attention or close to that. So the "Cave Man" example just may be a good example of how environment can have similar effects as genetics. Those are my thoughts on that question. Jeff Widdison #00153153 _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From ethanfinley@hotmail.com Mon Sep 18 00:53:10 2000 From: ethanfinley@hotmail.com (Ethan Finley) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 17:53:10 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] The "moon" illusion Message-ID: After the lecture last Tuesday, I just had to test out the moon illusion myself, so this weekend some friends and I actually tried measuring the moon against the field of the sky, both near the horizon and higher in the sky. Saturday night, (when we tried this), the moon looked QUITE large against the horizon. While all of my friends believed me when I said that it really would be the same measurements, they were all as amazed as I to see that it truly turned out that way, even though we could "see" that the moon was smaller!! Try this for yourself, it is quite fun! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From RGeofam06@cs.com Mon Sep 18 03:45:06 2000 From: RGeofam06@cs.com (RGeofam06@cs.com) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 22:45:06 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] Attention Message-ID: As a male, I agree with the idea that it is easier for women to focus on many things at once. It seems that the women I know are a lot more organized than I am; I like to get one thing completely finished before I start any others. From leximonroe@hotmail.com Mon Sep 18 04:31:41 2000 From: leximonroe@hotmail.com (Lexi Monroe) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 03:31:41 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: Lexi Monroe Psych 3120 I was just looking through the paper and I found an article dealing with just what we talked about the other day in class, about subliminal messages. It was talking about the Bush campaign that showed RATS on the screen real quickly during one of their commercials. The newspaper says that it was "denigrating" Vice President Gore. The article in case anybody wants to see it was in the Sept. 14th issue of the Salt Lake Tribune. Anyway, in the article it again reitterated however that subliminal messages in advertising doesn't seem to be effective. I guess what baffles me is if studies have shown that subliminal advertising doesn't work, then why do advertisements still use it? For example, how songs use subliminal messages also, I mean, no subliminal messaging is effective right? I don't know, the mind is such a complex thing, that maybe if it was done differently, it could be effective. Who knows? I just thought that was interesting that there was a big article talking about what we just talked about in lecture the other day. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From sailoruranus@altavista.net Mon Sep 18 04:54:20 2000 From: sailoruranus@altavista.net (sailoruranus@altavista.net) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 23:54:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: <000917235420LZ.25795@weba1.iname.net> In relation to the topic brought up in class on Friday (concerning the television ad endorsing George W. Bush), Dr. Strayer discussed subconscious programming and whether or not we were subjugated to our unconscious mind. There is something called 'partial reinforcement' that causes us to become accustomed to a stimulus. What partial reinforcement is, as the name implies, is reinforcement that is present only some of the time. While this type of conditioning takes longer to be programmed into us than something that is continuously reinforced, the results stay with us longer. For instance, gambling falls under this category. Somebody who gambles will usually win only on occassion. This occasional winning is enough to keep some people gambling, despite how much money they lose. It is fascinating to me that something that is reinforced only some of the time has a longer lasting effect than something I was exposed to on a regular basis. Aaron Davies ---------------------------------------------------------------- Get your free email from AltaVista at http://altavista.iname.com From kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Mon Sep 18 07:29:57 2000 From: kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu (Kristin Ward) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 06:29:57 (GMT) Subject: [Psych3120] Salt Lake Tribune Article Message-ID: <200009180719.e8I7Jog03164@mail.sltrib.com> This article discusses a teacher who instructs students in ASL by the "total immersion" method. She cannot speak or hear so students are forced to learn entirely by communicating in ASL. This is another interesting alternative way of learning in keeping with the earlier discussion about online courses. Salt Lake Tribune Article: Learning To Speak In Silence, Eager students expand horizons in signing class http://www.sltrib.com/2000/Sep/09172000/utah/23036.htm From: Kristin Ward From kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Mon Sep 18 09:59:29 2000 From: kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu (Kristin Ward) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 01:59:29 -700 Subject: [Psych3120] Computers and the Human Mind Message-ID: <200009180759.BAA07714@meretrix.csbs.utah.edu> Here's a link to an interesting web-site involving the use of computers to attempt to simulate functions of the human mind: http://www.cs.bham.ac.uk/~axs/cogaff.html Kristin From kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Mon Sep 18 09:20:03 2000 From: kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu (Kristin Ward) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 04:20:03 -0400 Subject: [Psych3120] Road_Accident_Error Message-ID: <200009180419811.SM00204@baby.nexx.ca> Hi Human Cognition List! Here is an interesting web page on human error and car accidents. In many ways this is similar to the human factor errors discussed in class: http://www.ergogero.com/pages/roadaccidents.html Regards, Kristin Ward From viper@xmission.com Mon Sep 18 17:40:57 2000 From: viper@xmission.com (Corey Raemer) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:40:57 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Subliminal Advertising Message-ID: <39C64599.A9465467@xmission.com> I have a quick question and wanted to know what you all thought about this. As we heard Dr. Strayer tell us that the effects of subliminal messages are non existant or so small that they aren't even worth mentioning. I am also taking a social psychology class this semester and we talked about that particular add and my teacher stated that these messages influence peoples behavior. Not wanting to point fingers at anybody but whos right and who doesn't have all the information. Anybody know of any current research on the subject. From ham070@hotmail.com Mon Sep 18 18:22:25 2000 From: ham070@hotmail.com (amber kresser) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:22:25 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] rats Message-ID: a lot of people have been discussing the effects of subliminal advertising. i dont really have an answer to whether it works or does not, but just an opinion. allthough it is usually obvious enough for someone to catch it, i dont think it has the effect that most would hope for. i am just guessing that it does not have a great enough effect to change ones opinion. it just seems like a clever thing to throw into the advertisment. i doubt that seeing the word coke or candy flash across the screen during a movie would give me the sudden urge to have a coke. however, visual cues are usually more effective. for example, showing a cold coke with ice dripping off the side or warm popcorn with lots of butter, could incline someone to buy a coke or popcorn. but i think that just throwing in the word "rats" into a commercial probably wouldnt have any effect on someones opinon. but who knows, i could be wrong. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From neomorpheus9@hotmail.com Mon Sep 18 18:38:08 2000 From: neomorpheus9@hotmail.com (Dan Felts) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:38:08 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] rats Message-ID: I think that subliminal messages do more to raise curiosity than anything else. Movies like "Fight Club" used it (in an interesting way)and I think if just makes people curious as to what it was. Once that is satisfied, the effect is minimal. For instance, how many of you can imagine having gone to dinner with friends and being very full and suddenly see the word "candy" flash accross the screen. Most likely none of us would possess a desire for candy since we had already had so much to eat. Same thing with politics. If we hold strong opinions and feelings toward certain things, they are very unlikely to be changed or influenced after one or two commercials with subliminals in them. I think it boils down to this...subliminal messages comparable to being hypnotized...it works well for those who believe it will and has little effect upon those who think it doesn't work. >From: "amber kresser" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] rats >Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:22:25 MDT > >a lot of people have been discussing the effects of subliminal advertising. >i dont really have an answer to whether it works or does not, but just an >opinion. allthough it is usually obvious enough for someone to catch it, i >dont think it has the effect that most would hope for. i am just guessing >that it does not have a great enough effect to change ones opinion. it just >seems like a clever thing to throw into the advertisment. i doubt that >seeing the word coke or candy flash across the screen during a movie would >give me the sudden urge to have a coke. however, visual cues are usually >more effective. for example, showing a cold coke with ice dripping off the >side or warm popcorn with lots of butter, could incline someone to buy a >coke or popcorn. but i think that just throwing in the word "rats" into a >commercial probably wouldnt have any effect on someones opinon. but who >knows, i could be wrong. > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From neomorpheus9@hotmail.com Mon Sep 18 18:40:17 2000 From: neomorpheus9@hotmail.com (Dan Felts) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:40:17 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] Subliminal Advertising Message-ID: Another thought. I think I would be more influenced by watching an entire action (i.e., a murder, stealing, fighting, etc.), than just a blip of something on the screen. Those things that demand attention, rather than distract from the main point of interest, will have the most potent effect. >From: Corey Raemer >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: Cognitive Psychology List >Subject: [Psych3120] Subliminal Advertising >Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:40:57 -0600 > >I have a quick question and wanted to know what you all thought about >this. As we heard Dr. Strayer tell us that the effects of subliminal >messages are non existant or so small that they aren't even worth >mentioning. I am also taking a social psychology class this semester >and we talked about that particular add and my teacher stated that these >messages influence peoples behavior. Not wanting to point fingers at >anybody but whos right and who doesn't have all the information. >Anybody know of any current research on the subject. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From A.Cahoon@m.cc.utah.edu Mon Sep 18 19:22:48 2000 From: A.Cahoon@m.cc.utah.edu (A Cahoon) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 12:22:48 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: Hi all, Thank you Rosemary and Jeffrey for answering my question about hallucinogens. It was very helpful. I read something that I think might be relevant to the class that I'd like to share, althought we aren't talking about it now. In last Sunday's addition of the Parade in Ask Marilyn, Diane Lizotte of Pascoag, R.I. wrote "We've all heard the comment, 'It's like riding a bike: You never forget.' How can a person 'remember' the task of balancing while riding a bike?" In response, Marilyn Vos Savant wrote, "Have you ever heard of 'motor memory'? This is what helps keep us typing, brushing our teeth and running to catch a bus so effortlessly. Repeated behaviors are 'learned' by the development of pathways through which environmental signals- like seeing the sky above and the ground below- more rapidly reach the motor nerves. These nerves are coordinated in the spinal cord, not the brain. (Amazingly, many animals can run around even when much of their brains are missing. Remember the comment, 'He ran around like a chicken with its head cut off'?!) With time, your pathways become fixed. This is one reason it's so difficult to change your handwriting style, even when you try hard. As far as balancing is concerned, you need to balance even when you walk down the stairs. Riding a bike is trickier, all right- but with enough practice, the memory becomes just as fixed". I found it interesting that those motor nerves are coordinated in the spinal cord and not the brain. I didn't know that. Amy Cahoon #00077943 From trichardson@acs.utah.edu Mon Sep 18 19:40:15 2000 From: trichardson@acs.utah.edu (Richardson) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 12:40:15 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Subliminal Messages Message-ID: <39C6618F.FF86EE23@acs.utah.edu> Ever since the "RATS" class lecture, the subliminal thing has been on my mind. I am trying to be more aware of the decisions I make and why I make them. For instance why I all of a sudden want a "Coke" or a certain type of food. Did something happen subconsciously to provoke that craving? So far there has been one time that I realized that a TV commercial had that affect on me. And it was a Sizzler commercial and in the background it showed shrimp being poured into a bowl. Later that night my wife asked where we should go for dinner. And I immediately thought of shrimp, which was odd because I have not eaten for a probably a year. I dont know if that was a subliminal craving or subconscious craving or not, but I cant help but think that commercial had something to do with my decision. From CatherineW123@aol.com Mon Sep 18 20:20:08 2000 From: CatherineW123@aol.com (CatherineW123@aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 15:20:08 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] Subliminal Messages Message-ID: <14.9305cd7.26f7c4e8@aol.com> I don't think that subliminal messages are very effective. I don't think seeing one word like rats can change your view. Everyday people argue with you openly about your opinion and for the majority of the time your opinion stays the same. Someone earlier posted about how one teacher said they weren't effective and another said they were and asked if anyone knew about current experiments. I think that Dr. Strayer said the guy who originally conducted the experiment at the movie theaters later came out and said he had made up results. I got the idea that this experiment made people really start to think about subliminal messages. I don't understand why people continue to view subliminal messages as being so effective when there is not evidence supporting them being effective. From gtalebreza@shoutmail.com Tue Sep 19 02:22:26 2000 From: gtalebreza@shoutmail.com (Gloria Talebreza) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:22:26 -0700 Subject: [Psych3120] Dog vision Message-ID: <200009190122.SAA22018@unix6.electriclighthouse.com> So can dogs see color or not? My dog does not respond to its reflection in the mirror either. Any insights on this stuff? ______________________________________________________________________ Shoutmail.com - Send a voice email, go to http://shoutmail.com/instant From amberbarker@hotmail.com Tue Sep 19 02:34:16 2000 From: amberbarker@hotmail.com (amber barker) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 01:34:16 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From amberbarker@hotmail.com Tue Sep 19 02:40:32 2000 From: amberbarker@hotmail.com (amber barker) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 01:40:32 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] Perceptual Constancies Message-ID: Perceptual constancies must make up so much of what we see everyday. I wonder what we would see if we didn't have something making up for the changes in our viewing conditions, our view of the world at each time of the day would be so different. Not only things with light, but things according to size and shape also. I never imagined that our view of the world wasn't how it was really portrayed in nature. I realized our perception of how we viewed the world played an important role in our attitudes towards other people, etc. But our perception in how we actually see the world really gives also affects us in a similar way. Your perception of reading these words could be completely different than mine, it could look completely different. 00067868 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From CatherineW123@aol.com Tue Sep 19 07:11:03 2000 From: CatherineW123@aol.com (CatherineW123@aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 02:11:03 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] Dog vision Message-ID: Someone told me that their dog preferred a certain color and could pick out different colored objects. This could just be a fluke though. From artemishae@yahoo.com Tue Sep 19 15:07:01 2000 From: artemishae@yahoo.com (Kelly Symes) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 07:07:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Attention Message-ID: <20000919140701.22777.qmail@web4206.mail.yahoo.com> I don't feel that it is very hard to do most things at once. I am horrible for this. It may just be the ADHD coming out, but I would rather do more than one thing at once. It keeps my mind focused on the things I am doing as opposed to leaving all the time. I almost have to have the TV on or talk to someone on the phone while I do my homework so that my mind doesn't get too bored and wander off. I don't know if anybody else is like that. I also find (Contrary to what D. Strayer might say) that I am actually more focused while driving with a cell phone, don't get me wrong, most people should hang up and drive, but I don't know if that is the case for everybody. The only time the cell phone impaires my driving is while I am dialing --- E.J.Dickerson@m.cc.utah.edu wrote: > > Is it possible to really focus on more than one > skill at > a time? It seems that the more experienced you are > at > preforming an activity the easier it is to preform > that > activity while doing something else. For example, > whistling while working, or talking while driving. > These > are activities that most people are capable of doing > at > the same time. However, it seems impossible to > preform > more than one skill at a time, when one of those > skills > is a newly learned skill. For example, learning how > to > drive while talking on a cell phone. Our attention > must > select a specific activity to focus on in order > preform > the activity at an acceptable level of performance. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From mismash1@hotmail.com Tue Sep 19 15:53:29 2000 From: mismash1@hotmail.com (chris mismash) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 08:53:29 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Power of suggestion Message-ID: I know this is not being discussed in class right now, but I thought it was interesting. A few days ago i was thinking about a meeting I had for work coming up. It was a Tuesday. I asked my boss if I was supposed to go to the meeting tomorrow. He said he was not sure, but I had better plan on it. To make sure, he suggested I call the the organizer of the meeting. I did so. I asked her if I was to come to the meeting on wednesday, and if so what i was supposed to talk about. She said that I was to come, but was surprised when I said wednesday. This particular meeting happens every month (and has for quite a while) and always on a Thursday. She was a bit stricken stating "if the meeting is today then im not going to be ready!". She asked how I heard it was today, and I told her that it was what I had remembered. The Power of sugestion. Eventually she called my boss and a few other people to confirm the that the meeting was indeed Thursday. The point of all this? well I found it amazing that from one suggestion to my boss he assumed that the meeting was Wednesday. From one suggestion to the meeting organizer (who ill mention is a senior vp of our large company) her confidence was shaken about this meeting she had been running for months, enough so that she had to check with multiple sources to reassure her that her memory was correct. All of this from a very low level meeting attendee's misplacement of the meeting time. I sounded confident in my conversation with my boss and the organizer, and that was all it took. With out conformation from outside sources, can memory be bent to the views of whom ever has the most confidence and strongest will? Can this apply to our lives on a daily basis, like in court, or even something as minor as job recommendations? How many of my personal memories have been affected in this fashion, memories I assume to be accurate and true... Anyway, I know is not a in class topic, but I did find it pretty prolific :) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From garffdog@hotmail.com Tue Sep 19 21:05:59 2000 From: garffdog@hotmail.com (matt garff) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:05:59 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Attention Message-ID: I read in our text today something that is related to the following comment. On pages 82-83, it talks about people that had read stories and also listen to a tape recorder and write down the words that they hear. This would be impossible for me, I'm myopic as hell, but it said that with massive practice, the individuals could actually do both write the words and read at normal rates with high comprehension. So I figure that the differences between women and men in the ability to do more than one task is primarily because of practice. As for the cell phone and driving, I'm not so sure. I always get uneasy when I'm notice someone driving and talking on a cell. MATT GARFF >From: Kelly Symes >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention >Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 07:07:01 -0700 (PDT) > >I don't feel that it is very hard to do most things at >once. I am horrible for this. It may just be the ADHD >coming out, but I would rather do more than one thing >at once. It keeps my mind focused on the things I am >doing as opposed to leaving all the time. I almost >have to have the TV on or talk to someone on the phone >while I do my homework so that my mind doesn't get too >bored and wander off. I don't know if anybody else is >like that. I also find (Contrary to what D. Strayer >might say) that I am actually more focused while >driving with a cell phone, don't get me wrong, most >people should hang up and drive, but I don't know if >that is the case for everybody. The only time the >cell phone impaires my driving is while I am dialing >--- E.J.Dickerson@m.cc.utah.edu wrote: > > > > Is it possible to really focus on more than one > > skill at > > a time? It seems that the more experienced you are > > at > > preforming an activity the easier it is to preform > > that > > activity while doing something else. For example, > > whistling while working, or talking while driving. > > These > > are activities that most people are capable of doing > > at > > the same time. However, it seems impossible to > > preform > > more than one skill at a time, when one of those > > skills > > is a newly learned skill. For example, learning how > > to > > drive while talking on a cell phone. Our attention > > must > > select a specific activity to focus on in order > > preform > > the activity at an acceptable level of performance. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Psych3120 mailing list > > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > >_________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From listonbr@yahoo.com Tue Sep 19 21:17:24 2000 From: listonbr@yahoo.com (s.brandon liston) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:17:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: <20000919201724.5723.qmail@web210.mail.yahoo.com> I found today to be a very interesting class, I had never really thought about two types of attention. I guess in a way I just figured you either paid attention or didn't. Now that we discussed it and read about it, I am noticing times when my mind is going through these different types of attention. I find that my mind is very selective as to what I actually pay attention to, vs. what I listen to but do not actually compute in my mind. Who knows, being aware might actually help people in school. This also brings a whole new meaning to the phrase, "I am so broke I can't even afford to pay attention", which type of attention are they reffering too, and how much does each cost? I was also curious on some input on what people thought about the first study guide question and some possible ways to go about answering it? I am aware that you have to go through the process from the photoreceptors on up to the optic nerve, but do we need to explain from the right visual field or from right in front of you were the butterfly landed, thanks for any feedback 00154324 Liston __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From marcisparks@hotmail.com Tue Sep 19 22:27:06 2000 From: marcisparks@hotmail.com (Marci Sparks) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:27:06 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Attention Message-ID: I have done a few studies here about attention that I found very interesting. One was related to what Dr. Strayer discussed in class today. I had to listen to words in a headphone, while looking at different words on a screen, then write down the words that I remembered. The words that I remembered were almost always those that related to each other or had some sort of semantic connection. Then I did the different message into different ears, it really surprised me how I found it impossible to block one of the ears completely, I always came up with words from both, with again some sort of semantic connection. It is really interesting how much we can block out, but, that for some reason certain words cannot be blocked out, at least for me. Marci Sparks >From: "matt garff" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention >Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:05:59 MDT > >I read in our text today something that is related to the following >comment. > On pages 82-83, it talks about people that had read stories and also >listen to a tape recorder and write down the words that they hear. This >would be impossible for me, I'm myopic as hell, but it said that with >massive practice, the individuals could actually do both write the words >and >read at normal rates with high comprehension. So I figure that the >differences between women and men in the ability to do more than one task >is >primarily because of practice. As for the cell phone and driving, I'm not >so sure. I always get uneasy when I'm notice someone driving and talking >on >a cell. > >MATT GARFF >>From: Kelly Symes >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention >>Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 07:07:01 -0700 (PDT) >> >>I don't feel that it is very hard to do most things at >>once. I am horrible for this. It may just be the ADHD >>coming out, but I would rather do more than one thing >>at once. It keeps my mind focused on the things I am >>doing as opposed to leaving all the time. I almost >>have to have the TV on or talk to someone on the phone >>while I do my homework so that my mind doesn't get too >>bored and wander off. I don't know if anybody else is >>like that. I also find (Contrary to what D. Strayer >>might say) that I am actually more focused while >>driving with a cell phone, don't get me wrong, most >>people should hang up and drive, but I don't know if >>that is the case for everybody. The only time the >>cell phone impaires my driving is while I am dialing >>--- E.J.Dickerson@m.cc.utah.edu wrote: >> > >> > Is it possible to really focus on more than one >> > skill at >> > a time? It seems that the more experienced you are >> > at >> > preforming an activity the easier it is to preform >> > that >> > activity while doing something else. For example, >> > whistling while working, or talking while driving. >> > These >> > are activities that most people are capable of doing >> > at >> > the same time. However, it seems impossible to >> > preform >> > more than one skill at a time, when one of those >> > skills >> > is a newly learned skill. For example, learning how >> > to >> > drive while talking on a cell phone. Our attention >> > must >> > select a specific activity to focus on in order >> > preform >> > the activity at an acceptable level of performance. >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Psych3120 mailing list >> > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >> > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 >> >> >>_________________________________________________ > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From mkarni@hotmail.com Tue Sep 19 22:30:18 2000 From: mkarni@hotmail.com (melissa karnik) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:30:18 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Re: Attention Message-ID: This is just a quick reply to the message I read about being "more" focused when doing more than one thing at a time. I don't think it's cognitively possible to be "more" focused when you have to concentrate on more than one thing (eg. driving and talking on the phone). As far as studying/working/etc. with a television on, I believe it's just an individual difference in their study environment preference. I don't believe that an individual could possibly absorb all the information in front of them if they are trying to focus on both homework and a television show. However, when considering Selective Attention, a task that does not involve much absorption/thought process might enable an individual to do more than one thing at a time. I think the individual's focus would be more directed towards one of the two tasks. Who knows though, I could be totally off. If anyone else has a comment on this, please reply. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From gsl9@hotmail.com Wed Sep 20 01:41:41 2000 From: gsl9@hotmail.com (Greg Leigh) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:41:41 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Attention Message-ID: I have a question about driving and talking on cell phones and maybe Dr.Strayer will answer it later on, but I wondered if anyone had any ideas in the meantime. I'm not saying that it's good or bad to talk and drive, and I realize that it could distract people while driving by switching their attention and furthermore, you would only have one free hand. However, is talking on a cell phone while driving that much different than eating while driving or doing related things? If not, then where do you draw the line? What about switching radio stations, or trying to find something in the car? If anyone has any thoughts, please let me know. Greg >From: "matt garff" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention >Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:05:59 MDT > >I read in our text today something that is related to the following >comment. > On pages 82-83, it talks about people that had read stories and also >listen to a tape recorder and write down the words that they hear. This >would be impossible for me, I'm myopic as hell, but it said that with >massive practice, the individuals could actually do both write the words >and >read at normal rates with high comprehension. So I figure that the >differences between women and men in the ability to do more than one task >is >primarily because of practice. As for the cell phone and driving, I'm not >so sure. I always get uneasy when I'm notice someone driving and talking >on >a cell. > >MATT GARFF >>From: Kelly Symes >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention >>Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 07:07:01 -0700 (PDT) >> >>I don't feel that it is very hard to do most things at >>once. I am horrible for this. It may just be the ADHD >>coming out, but I would rather do more than one thing >>at once. It keeps my mind focused on the things I am >>doing as opposed to leaving all the time. I almost >>have to have the TV on or talk to someone on the phone >>while I do my homework so that my mind doesn't get too >>bored and wander off. I don't know if anybody else is >>like that. I also find (Contrary to what D. Strayer >>might say) that I am actually more focused while >>driving with a cell phone, don't get me wrong, most >>people should hang up and drive, but I don't know if >>that is the case for everybody. The only time the >>cell phone impaires my driving is while I am dialing >>--- E.J.Dickerson@m.cc.utah.edu wrote: >> > >> > Is it possible to really focus on more than one >> > skill at >> > a time? It seems that the more experienced you are >> > at >> > preforming an activity the easier it is to preform >> > that >> > activity while doing something else. For example, >> > whistling while working, or talking while driving. >> > These >> > are activities that most people are capable of doing >> > at >> > the same time. However, it seems impossible to >> > preform >> > more than one skill at a time, when one of those >> > skills >> > is a newly learned skill. For example, learning how >> > to >> > drive while talking on a cell phone. Our attention >> > must >> > select a specific activity to focus on in order >> > preform >> > the activity at an acceptable level of performance. >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Psych3120 mailing list >> > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >> > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 >> >> >>_________________________________________________ > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Mad4madimac@aol.com Wed Sep 20 01:54:13 2000 From: Mad4madimac@aol.com (Mad4madimac@aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:54:13 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] Power of suggestion Message-ID: <16.27b59a1.26f964b5@aol.com> Chris, I find your comment very interesting. I think that it does have to do with what we have been discussing at times, when he speaks of eyewitness testimony. Maybe it's not the same thing, but I think that our minds are very susceptible to even slight suggestions, as you say, from maybe someone who has a stronger will, or what we want to see or perceive that may not be based on reality. It makes me wonder whether our basic views, of our childhood for instance, have any basis in reality or are they just our perceptions of what happened to us. And like you said, how often are we persuaded by our environment, or our perceptions from within? Madison #00155404 From klmacurdy@hotmail.com Wed Sep 20 02:01:17 2000 From: klmacurdy@hotmail.com (Karen Macurdy) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 01:01:17 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] Attention Message-ID: I went to a children's science museum a couple of years ago (not here in Utah) with some kids I was baby-sitting. The museum had the same sort of experiment where you pick up two different phones and put one to each ear. Then you were supposed to report what each message had been about. What amazed me was that I could only concentrate on one conversation at a time. No matter how hard I tried I could not tell what both speakers were saying at the same time. If I listened to one ear, the other ear just turned to background noise, and if I transferred my attention, the first voice became nonsense. It really frustrated me so I tried for a long time. I thought this was pretty typical, but from the thoughts posted here, it doesn't sound like it. Has anyone else done this sort of experiment? >From: "Marci Sparks" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention >Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:27:06 MDT > >I have done a few studies here about attention that I found very >interesting. One was related to what Dr. Strayer discussed in class today. >I >had to listen to words in a headphone, while looking at different words on >a >screen, then write down the words that I remembered. The words that I >remembered were almost always those that related to each other or had some >sort of semantic connection. Then I did the different message into >different >ears, it really surprised me how I found it impossible to block one of the >ears completely, I always came up with words from both, with again some >sort >of semantic connection. It is really interesting how much we can block out, >but, that for some reason certain words cannot be blocked out, at least for >me. >Marci Sparks > > >>From: "matt garff" >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention >>Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:05:59 MDT >> >>I read in our text today something that is related to the following >>comment. >> On pages 82-83, it talks about people that had read stories and also >>listen to a tape recorder and write down the words that they hear. This >>would be impossible for me, I'm myopic as hell, but it said that with >>massive practice, the individuals could actually do both write the words >>and >>read at normal rates with high comprehension. So I figure that the >>differences between women and men in the ability to do more than one task >>is >>primarily because of practice. As for the cell phone and driving, I'm not >>so sure. I always get uneasy when I'm notice someone driving and talking >>on >>a cell. >> >>MATT GARFF >>>From: Kelly Symes >>>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>>Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention >>>Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 07:07:01 -0700 (PDT) >>> >>>I don't feel that it is very hard to do most things at >>>once. I am horrible for this. It may just be the ADHD >>>coming out, but I would rather do more than one thing >>>at once. It keeps my mind focused on the things I am >>>doing as opposed to leaving all the time. I almost >>>have to have the TV on or talk to someone on the phone >>>while I do my homework so that my mind doesn't get too >>>bored and wander off. I don't know if anybody else is >>>like that. I also find (Contrary to what D. Strayer >>>might say) that I am actually more focused while >>>driving with a cell phone, don't get me wrong, most >>>people should hang up and drive, but I don't know if >>>that is the case for everybody. The only time the >>>cell phone impaires my driving is while I am dialing >>>--- E.J.Dickerson@m.cc.utah.edu wrote: >>> > >>> > Is it possible to really focus on more than one >>> > skill at >>> > a time? It seems that the more experienced you are >>> > at >>> > preforming an activity the easier it is to preform >>> > that >>> > activity while doing something else. For example, >>> > whistling while working, or talking while driving. >>> > These >>> > are activities that most people are capable of doing >>> > at >>> > the same time. However, it seems impossible to >>> > preform >>> > more than one skill at a time, when one of those >>> > skills >>> > is a newly learned skill. For example, learning how >>> > to >>> > drive while talking on a cell phone. Our attention >>> > must >>> > select a specific activity to focus on in order >>> > preform >>> > the activity at an acceptable level of performance. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Psych3120 mailing list >>> > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>> > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 >>> >>> >>>_________________________________________________ >> >>_________________________________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >> >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>http://profiles.msn.com. >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Psych3120 mailing list >>Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Thurie@aol.com Wed Sep 20 02:32:29 2000 From: Thurie@aol.com (Thurie@aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:32:29 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] Re: Male Attention Message-ID: When we say that boys can't do two tasks at once what are we talking about. Not like chewing gum and walking at the same time, right? I personally think that I can do two things at once. I can read and listen to music at the same time and stuff like that. Can anyone give me some examples of tasks that would be considered hard for a male to both at the same time? Also, I have noticed that when I am talking on my cell phone while I 'm driving, time seems to go by much faster. All of a sudden I am at the place I was driving to and can't really remember how I got their or anything about the drive. So do females do better talking on phones and driving than males do? I have never crashed or anything close to that, so obviously I am paying pretty good attention to the road, maybe more subconsciously than normal though. Clinton From norrisrachel@freeport.com Wed Sep 20 03:32:48 2000 From: norrisrachel@freeport.com (Rachel Norris) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 02:32:48 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] Attention Message-ID: <200009200229.UAA29353@jafo.csbs.utah.edu> I do think that doing any other task while driving is very dangerous. I notice that if I try to eat my breakfast while driving to school, I don't pay very good attention to the road and I'm more careless. Like someone else mentioned, all of the sudden I'm to my destination and I have no idea how I got there. Very scary. > I have a question about driving and talking on cell phones and maybe > Dr.Strayer will answer it later on, but I wondered if anyone had any ideas > in the meantime. I'm not saying that it's good or bad to talk and drive, > and I realize that it could distract people while driving by switching their > attention and furthermore, you would only have one free hand. However, is > talking on a cell phone while driving that much different than eating while > driving or doing related things? If not, then where do you draw the line? > What about switching radio stations, or trying to find something in the car? > If anyone has any thoughts, please let me know. > > Greg > > >From: "matt garff" > >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention > >Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:05:59 MDT > > > >I read in our text today something that is related to the following > >comment. > > On pages 82-83, it talks about people that had read stories and also > >listen to a tape recorder and write down the words that they hear. This > >would be impossible for me, I'm myopic as hell, but it said that with > >massive practice, the individuals could actually do both write the words > >and > >read at normal rates with high comprehension. So I figure that the > >differences between women and men in the ability to do more than one task > >is > >primarily because of practice. As for the cell phone and driving, I'm not > >so sure. I always get uneasy when I'm notice someone driving and talking > >on > >a cell. > > > >MATT GARFF > >>From: Kelly Symes > >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >>Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention > >>Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 07:07:01 -0700 (PDT) > >> > >>I don't feel that it is very hard to do most things at > >>once. I am horrible for this. It may just be the ADHD > >>coming out, but I would rather do more than one thing > >>at once. It keeps my mind focused on the things I am > >>doing as opposed to leaving all the time. I almost > >>have to have the TV on or talk to someone on the phone > >>while I do my homework so that my mind doesn't get too > >>bored and wander off. I don't know if anybody else is > >>like that. I also find (Contrary to what D. Strayer > >>might say) that I am actually more focused while > >>driving with a cell phone, don't get me wrong, most > >>people should hang up and drive, but I don't know if > >>that is the case for everybody. The only time the > >>cell phone impaires my driving is while I am dialing > >>--- E.J.Dickerson@m.cc.utah.edu wrote: > >> > > >> > Is it possible to really focus on more than one > >> > skill at > >> > a time? It seems that the more experienced you are > >> > at > >> > preforming an activity the easier it is to preform > >> > that > >> > activity while doing something else. For example, > >> > whistling while working, or talking while driving. > >> > These > >> > are activities that most people are capable of doing > >> > at > >> > the same time. However, it seems impossible to > >> > preform > >> > more than one skill at a time, when one of those > >> > skills > >> > is a newly learned skill. For example, learning how > >> > to > >> > drive while talking on a cell phone. Our attention > >> > must > >> > select a specific activity to focus on in order > >> > preform > >> > the activity at an acceptable level of performance. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Psych3120 mailing list > >> > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >> > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > >> > >> > >>_________________________________________________ > > > >___________________________________________________________ ______________ > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Psych3120 mailing list > >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > ____________________________________________________________ _____________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From sjboyer23@hotmail.com Wed Sep 20 04:32:19 2000 From: sjboyer23@hotmail.com (Seth Boyer) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:32:19 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Cards, ears, and eyes Message-ID: Ok the card trick was pretty cool! I just tried it on my wife and it took her two times to figure it out. I have become curious as to how in detail this does work? Also the experiment in class Dr. Stayer talked about, the one about the headphones and the two messages, did they do a study to see if there was a dominant ear? also about dominance, is perception affected by which of your eyes is dominant? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jjfoust@ix.netcom.com Wed Sep 20 06:04:39 2000 From: jjfoust@ix.netcom.com (Jaime C. Foust) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 23:04:39 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Re: Subliminal Advertising Message-ID: <39C84566.182945F9@ix.netcom.com> In response to this... I don't see how the particular ad would have much, if any, effect on a person's choice of candidate; however, in class today, Dr. Strayer explained how certain words can influence the way we look at something else. Such as with the example of the "bank." Depending on what word you were given, "bank" meant two different things. It is possible that both are right because even though there may not be much evidence supporting the successfulness of subliminal messages, they can influence the way people act and view certain things. Does that make it any more clear? Jaime Foust Corey Raemer viper@xmission.com Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:40:57 -0600 I have a quick question and wanted to know what you all thought about this. As we heard Dr. Strayer tell us that the effects of subliminal messages are non existant or so small that they aren't even worth mentioning. I am also taking a social psychology class this semester and we talked about that particular add and my teacher stated that these messages influence peoples behavior. Not wanting to point fingers at anybody but whos right and who doesn't have all the information. Anybody know of any current research on the subject. From SilAcciardi@aol.com Wed Sep 20 06:48:54 2000 From: SilAcciardi@aol.com (SilAcciardi@aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 01:48:54 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] Attention Message-ID: <4d.1081249.26f9a9c6@aol.com> I am sorry to say that I am one of those dreaded people who occasionally drives while talking on my cell phone. As far as only being left with one hand to drive, I am always driving with one hand anyway, with the other relaxing on the gear shift, so there is no effect on me in that respect. I have never found it particularly more difficult to focus on driving and I think that is because I talk in other situations when I am driving as well. For instance when I have friends in the car, I will engage in conversation the entire time that I am driving from point A to B. Basically, what I am trying to say, is that I find it no more distracting being on my cell phone than I do when there is actually someone in the car with me. The only problem that I can see is with having to dial the number you are calling before making a call. That is just what I think. Silvana Acciardi From SilAcciardi@aol.com Wed Sep 20 06:58:28 2000 From: SilAcciardi@aol.com (SilAcciardi@aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 01:58:28 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] Emotion Message-ID: <26.aed5d6d.26f9ac04@aol.com> Maybe I just didn't pay enough attention (hee hee) in class today, so tell me if I am being an idiot. Throughout the lecture I couldn't help but wounder if the tone of voice used in the two messages made any difference. For example, if the voice in message one was calm and relaxed and the one in message two sounded distressed and almost on the verge of tears, would that effect the amount of attention paid to either. Maybe I am just a really sensitive person, but I would be more inclined to listen to the person who was upset, even if they were speaking complete nonsense. Any thoughts??????? Silvana Acciardi From jlallatin@yahoo.com Wed Sep 20 16:03:32 2000 From: jlallatin@yahoo.com (Jon Lallatin) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 08:03:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Attention Message-ID: <20000920150332.19869.qmail@web5204.mail.yahoo.com> This ha happened to me too. I will be driving and come to a stop light. Before I know it I amdriving down the road but i don't remember the light turning green. --- Rachel Norris wrote: > I do think that doing any other task while driving > is very > dangerous. I notice that if I try to eat my > breakfast > while driving to school, I don't pay very good > attention to > the road and I'm more careless. Like someone else > mentioned, all of the sudden I'm to my destination > and I > have no idea how I got there. Very scary. > > > I have a question about driving and talking on > cell > phones and maybe > > Dr.Strayer will answer it later on, but I wondered > if > anyone had any ideas > > in the meantime. I'm not saying that it's good or > bad to > talk and drive, > > and I realize that it could distract people while > driving > by switching their > > attention and furthermore, you would only have one > free > hand. However, is > > talking on a cell phone while driving that much > different > than eating while > > driving or doing related things? If not, then > where do > you draw the line? > > What about switching radio stations, or trying to > find > something in the car? > > If anyone has any thoughts, please let me know. > > > > Greg > > > > >From: "matt garff" > > >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention > > >Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:05:59 MDT > > > > > >I read in our text today something that is > related to > the following > > >comment. > > > On pages 82-83, it talks about people that had > read > stories and also > > >listen to a tape recorder and write down the > words that > they hear. This > > >would be impossible for me, I'm myopic as hell, > but it > said that with > > >massive practice, the individuals could actually > do both > write the words > > >and > > >read at normal rates with high comprehension. So > I > figure that the > > >differences between women and men in the ability > to do > more than one task > > >is > > >primarily because of practice. As for the cell > phone > and driving, I'm not > > >so sure. I always get uneasy when I'm notice > someone > driving and talking > > >on > > >a cell. > > > > > >MATT GARFF > > >>From: Kelly Symes > > >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > >>Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention > > >>Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 07:07:01 -0700 (PDT) > > >> > > >>I don't feel that it is very hard to do most > things at > > >>once. I am horrible for this. It may just be > the ADHD > > >>coming out, but I would rather do more than one > thing > > >>at once. It keeps my mind focused on the things > I am > > >>doing as opposed to leaving all the time. I > almost > > >>have to have the TV on or talk to someone on the > phone > > >>while I do my homework so that my mind doesn't > get too > > >>bored and wander off. I don't know if anybody > else is > > >>like that. I also find (Contrary to what D. > Strayer > > >>might say) that I am actually more focused while > > >>driving with a cell phone, don't get me wrong, > most > > >>people should hang up and drive, but I don't > know if > > >>that is the case for everybody. The only time > the > > >>cell phone impaires my driving is while I am > dialing > > >>--- E.J.Dickerson@m.cc.utah.edu wrote: > > >> > > > >> > Is it possible to really focus on more than > one > > >> > skill at > > >> > a time? It seems that the more experienced > you are > > >> > at > > >> > preforming an activity the easier it is to > preform > > >> > that > > >> > activity while doing something else. For > example, > > >> > whistling while working, or talking while > driving. > > >> > These > > >> > are activities that most people are capable > of doing > > >> > at > > >> > the same time. However, it seems impossible > to > > >> > preform > > >> > more than one skill at a time, when one of > those > > >> > skills > > >> > is a newly learned skill. For example, > learning how > > >> > to > > >> > drive while talking on a cell phone. Our > attention > > >> > must > > >> > select a specific activity to focus on in > order > > >> > preform > > >> > the activity at an acceptable level of > performance. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > >> > Psych3120 mailing list > > >> > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > >> > > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > >> > > >> > > > >>_________________________________________________ > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________ > ______________ > > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > >Share information about yourself, create your own > public > profile at > > >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Psych3120 mailing list > > >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > _____________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own > public > profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Psych3120 mailing list > > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > === message truncated === From Mexpebbles@aol.com Wed Sep 20 16:10:10 2000 From: Mexpebbles@aol.com (Mexpebbles@aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:10:10 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] rats Message-ID: Amber....I agree with your logic on subliminal messages. I do, however, think that these "words passed in front of us" could be working without us even being aware of it. We could be storing these in our memory without us realizing it. I do agree with the fact that we are probably more likely to buy a coke when you see the coke instead of just the word, but it's hard to say whether or not these subliminal messages are really working. That's just my opinion though... Any others? From lauraebarron@hotmail.com Wed Sep 20 16:14:17 2000 From: lauraebarron@hotmail.com (laura barron) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:14:17 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Attention Message-ID: i have to agree with everyone that thinks driving while trying to do something else is dangerous. i know that i come much closer to getting into accidents and i am much more careless when i am eating, looking for something, or even engaged in conversation while driving. i think that driving is a task that requires so much attention, any time we detract some of that attention, we are jeopardizing our safety From: Jon Lallatin Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: Re: Re: [Psych3120] Attention Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 08:03:32 -0700 (PDT) This ha happened to me too. I will be driving and come to a stop light. Before I know it I am driving down the road but i don't remember the light turning green. --- Rachel Norris wrote: > I do think that doing any other task while driving > is very > dangerous. I notice that if I try to eat my > breakfast > while driving to school, I don't pay very good > attention to > the road and I'm more careless. Like someone else > mentioned, all of the sudden I'm to my destination > and I > have no idea how I got there. Very scary. > > > I have a question about driving and talking on > cell > phones and maybe > > Dr.Strayer will answer it later on, but I wondered > if > anyone had any ideas > > in the meantime. I'm not saying that it's good or > bad to > talk and drive, > > and I realize that it could distract people while > driving > by switching their > > attention and furthermore, you would only have one > free > hand. However, is > > talking on a cell phone while driving that much > different > than eating while > > driving or doing related things? If not, then > where do > you draw the line? > > What about switching radio stations, or trying to > find > something in the car? > > If anyone has any thoughts, please let me know. > > > > Greg > > > > >From: "matt garff" > > >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention > > >Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:05:59 MDT > > > > > >I read in our text today something that is > related to > the following > > >comment. > > > On pages 82-83, it talks about people that had > read > stories and also > > >listen to a tape recorder and write down the > words that > they hear. This > > >would be impossible for me, I'm myopic as hell, > but it > said that with > > >massive practice, the individuals could actually > do both > write the words > > >and > > >read at normal rates with high comprehension. So > I > figure that the > > >differences between women and men in the ability > to do > more than one task > > >is > > >primarily because of practice. As for the cell > phone > and driving, I'm not > > >so sure. I always get uneasy when I'm notice > someone > driving and talking > > >on > > >a cell. > > > > > >MATT GARFF > > >>From: Kelly Symes > > >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > >>Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention > > >>Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 07:07:01 -0700 (PDT) > > >> > > >>I don't feel that it is very hard to do most > things at > > >>once. I am horrible for this. It may just be > the ADHD > > >>coming out, but I would rather do more than one > thing > > >>at once. It keeps my mind focused on the things > I am > > >>doing as opposed to leaving all the time. I > almost > > >>have to have the TV on or talk to someone on the > phone > > >>while I do my homework so that my mind doesn't > get too > > >>bored and wander off. I don't know if anybody > else is > > >>like that. I also find (Contrary to what D. > Strayer > > >>might say) that I am actually more focused while > > >>driving with a cell phone, don't get me wrong, > most > > >>people should hang up and drive, but I don't > know if > > >>that is the case for everybody. The only time > the > > >>cell phone impaires my driving is while I am > dialing > > >>--- E.J.Dickerson@m.cc.utah.edu wrote: > > >> > > > >> > Is it possible to really focus on more than > one > > >> > skill at > > >> > a time? It seems that the more experienced > you are > > >> > at > > >> > preforming an activity the easier it is to > preform > > >> > that > > >> > activity while doing something else. For > example, > > >> > whistling while working, or talking while > driving. > > >> > These > > >> > are activities that most people are capable > of doing > > >> > at > > >> > the same time. However, it seems impossible > to > > >> > preform > > >> > more than one skill at a time, when one of > those > > >> > skills > > >> > is a newly learned skill. For example, > learning how > > >> > to > > >> > drive while talking on a cell phone. Our > attention > > >> > must > > >> > select a specific activity to focus on in > order > > >> > preform > > >> > the activity at an acceptable level of > performance. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > >> > Psych3120 mailing list > > >> > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > >> > > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > >> > > >> > > > >>_________________________________________________ > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________ > ______________ > > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > >Share information about yourself, create your own > public > profile at > > >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Psych3120 mailing list > > >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > _____________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own > public > profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Psych3120 mailing list > > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > === message truncated === _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From CatherineW123@aol.com Wed Sep 20 16:25:06 2000 From: CatherineW123@aol.com (CatherineW123@aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:25:06 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] Attention Message-ID: <80.dbe8e7.26fa30d2@aol.com> I think that talking on a cell phone is as distracting as doing other things while driving. I think the reason talking on cell phones is more dangerous than doing other things is because people do it for longer periods of time. It takes me only ten seconds to change the radio station, but maybe twenty minutes talk with someone on the phone. From Mexpebbles@aol.com Wed Sep 20 16:25:14 2000 From: Mexpebbles@aol.com (Mexpebbles@aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:25:14 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] Re: Attention Message-ID: <72.32d43c9.26fa30da@aol.com> I agree with you on the fact that it is not likely you can focus better when you are trying to do two things at once. That really just doesn't seem possible. You would have to be focusing on one of the things more or not absorbing all the information from both of them like you had mentioned. From trichardson@acs.utah.edu Wed Sep 20 16:32:27 2000 From: trichardson@acs.utah.edu (Richardson, Tim) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:32:27 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Attention Message-ID: I have done that same thing except the scary part is that I went through the light and then a few hundred feet down the road I don't have any recollection of the light being green or any color. I hope that checking the light is such a mundane thing that I don't spend much time thinking about it, I just check it and go... -----Original Message----- From: Jon Lallatin [mailto:jlallatin@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 9:04 AM To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: Re: Re: [Psych3120] Attention This ha happened to me too. I will be driving and come to a stop light. Before I know it I amdriving down the road but i don't remember the light turning green. --- Rachel Norris wrote: > I do think that doing any other task while driving > is very > dangerous. I notice that if I try to eat my > breakfast > while driving to school, I don't pay very good > attention to > the road and I'm more careless. Like someone else > mentioned, all of the sudden I'm to my destination > and I > have no idea how I got there. Very scary. > > > I have a question about driving and talking on > cell > phones and maybe > > Dr.Strayer will answer it later on, but I wondered > if > anyone had any ideas > > in the meantime. I'm not saying that it's good or > bad to > talk and drive, > > and I realize that it could distract people while > driving > by switching their > > attention and furthermore, you would only have one > free > hand. However, is > > talking on a cell phone while driving that much > different > than eating while > > driving or doing related things? If not, then > where do > you draw the line? > > What about switching radio stations, or trying to > find > something in the car? > > If anyone has any thoughts, please let me know. > > > > Greg > > > > >From: "matt garff" > > >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention > > >Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:05:59 MDT > > > > > >I read in our text today something that is > related to > the following > > >comment. > > > On pages 82-83, it talks about people that had > read > stories and also > > >listen to a tape recorder and write down the > words that > they hear. This > > >would be impossible for me, I'm myopic as hell, > but it > said that with > > >massive practice, the individuals could actually > do both > write the words > > >and > > >read at normal rates with high comprehension. So > I > figure that the > > >differences between women and men in the ability > to do > more than one task > > >is > > >primarily because of practice. As for the cell > phone > and driving, I'm not > > >so sure. I always get uneasy when I'm notice > someone > driving and talking > > >on > > >a cell. > > > > > >MATT GARFF > > >>From: Kelly Symes > > >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > >>Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention > > >>Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 07:07:01 -0700 (PDT) > > >> > > >>I don't feel that it is very hard to do most > things at > > >>once. I am horrible for this. It may just be > the ADHD > > >>coming out, but I would rather do more than one > thing > > >>at once. It keeps my mind focused on the things > I am > > >>doing as opposed to leaving all the time. I > almost > > >>have to have the TV on or talk to someone on the > phone > > >>while I do my homework so that my mind doesn't > get too > > >>bored and wander off. I don't know if anybody > else is > > >>like that. I also find (Contrary to what D. > Strayer > > >>might say) that I am actually more focused while > > >>driving with a cell phone, don't get me wrong, > most > > >>people should hang up and drive, but I don't > know if > > >>that is the case for everybody. The only time > the > > >>cell phone impaires my driving is while I am > dialing > > >>--- E.J.Dickerson@m.cc.utah.edu wrote: > > >> > > > >> > Is it possible to really focus on more than > one > > >> > skill at > > >> > a time? It seems that the more experienced > you are > > >> > at > > >> > preforming an activity the easier it is to > preform > > >> > that > > >> > activity while doing something else. For > example, > > >> > whistling while working, or talking while > driving. > > >> > These > > >> > are activities that most people are capable > of doing > > >> > at > > >> > the same time. However, it seems impossible > to > > >> > preform > > >> > more than one skill at a time, when one of > those > > >> > skills > > >> > is a newly learned skill. For example, > learning how > > >> > to > > >> > drive while talking on a cell phone. Our > attention > > >> > must > > >> > select a specific activity to focus on in > order > > >> > preform > > >> > the activity at an acceptable level of > performance. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > >> > Psych3120 mailing list > > >> > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > >> > > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > >> > > >> > > > >>_________________________________________________ > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________ > ______________ > > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > >Share information about yourself, create your own > public > profile at > > >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Psych3120 mailing list > > >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > _____________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own > public > profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Psych3120 mailing list > > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > === message truncated === _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 From CatherineW123@aol.com Wed Sep 20 16:27:11 2000 From: CatherineW123@aol.com (CatherineW123@aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:27:11 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] Re: Male Attention Message-ID: <40.10e98d9.26fa314f@aol.com> In the study I saw it said that males have a hard time watching TV and talking on the phone at once or playing Playstation and talking on the phone. From Mexpebbles@aol.com Wed Sep 20 16:39:06 2000 From: Mexpebbles@aol.com (Mexpebbles@aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:39:06 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] Cell phones.... Message-ID: Can I just make a recommendation?!? If you have to talk on your phone while driving, get one of those hands-free things that you put in your ear. They allow you to talk and still have your attention on the road (which is more important). I started using mine about a month ago and I don't like to drive without it now. I am more aware of my surroundings while I'm using it instead of holding the phone. They are not very much money and some phone packages give them to you free with your phone. Just a suggestion though...but let's all try and make our roads a little safer. Thanks! From amark2@uswest.net Wed Sep 20 16:56:50 2000 From: amark2@uswest.net (mark archibald) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:56:50 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Attention References: Message-ID: <001101c0231b$63831cc0$76eaa0d8@0017140944> I watched a woman plow right in the back of another driver yesterday, she was on a cell phone. ----- Original Message ----- From: "laura barron" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 9:14 AM Subject: Re: Re: [Psych3120] Attention > i have to agree with everyone that thinks driving while trying to do > something else is dangerous. i know that i come much closer to getting into > accidents and i am much more careless when i am eating, looking for > something, or even engaged in conversation while driving. i think that > driving is a task that requires so much attention, any time we detract some > of that attention, we are jeopardizing our safety > > > From: Jon Lallatin > Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > Subject: Re: Re: [Psych3120] Attention > Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 08:03:32 -0700 (PDT) > > This ha happened to me too. I will be driving and > come to a stop light. Before I know it I am driving > down the road but i don't remember the light turning > green. > > --- Rachel Norris wrote: > > I do think that doing any other task while driving > > is very > > dangerous. I notice that if I try to eat my > > breakfast > > while driving to school, I don't pay very good > > attention to > > the road and I'm more careless. Like someone else > > mentioned, all of the sudden I'm to my destination > > and I > > have no idea how I got there. Very scary. > > > > > I have a question about driving and talking on > > cell > > phones and maybe > > > Dr.Strayer will answer it later on, but I wondered > > if > > anyone had any ideas > > > in the meantime. I'm not saying that it's good or > > bad to > > talk and drive, > > > and I realize that it could distract people while > > driving > > by switching their > > > attention and furthermore, you would only have one > > free > > hand. However, is > > > talking on a cell phone while driving that much > > different > > than eating while > > > driving or doing related things? If not, then > > where do > > you draw the line? > > > What about switching radio stations, or trying to > > find > > something in the car? > > > If anyone has any thoughts, please let me know. > > > > > > Greg > > > > > > >From: "matt garff" > > > >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention > > > >Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:05:59 MDT > > > > > > > >I read in our text today something that is > > related to > > the following > > > >comment. > > > > On pages 82-83, it talks about people that had > > read > > stories and also > > > >listen to a tape recorder and write down the > > words that > > they hear. This > > > >would be impossible for me, I'm myopic as hell, > > but it > > said that with > > > >massive practice, the individuals could actually > > do both > > write the words > > > >and > > > >read at normal rates with high comprehension. So > > I > > figure that the > > > >differences between women and men in the ability > > to do > > more than one task > > > >is > > > >primarily because of practice. As for the cell > > phone > > and driving, I'm not > > > >so sure. I always get uneasy when I'm notice > > someone > > driving and talking > > > >on > > > >a cell. > > > > > > > >MATT GARFF > > > >>From: Kelly Symes > > > >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > >>Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention > > > >>Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 07:07:01 -0700 (PDT) > > > >> > > > >>I don't feel that it is very hard to do most > > things at > > > >>once. I am horrible for this. It may just be > > the ADHD > > > >>coming out, but I would rather do more than one > > thing > > > >>at once. It keeps my mind focused on the things > > I am > > > >>doing as opposed to leaving all the time. I > > almost > > > >>have to have the TV on or talk to someone on the > > phone > > > >>while I do my homework so that my mind doesn't > > get too > > > >>bored and wander off. I don't know if anybody > > else is > > > >>like that. I also find (Contrary to what D. > > Strayer > > > >>might say) that I am actually more focused while > > > >>driving with a cell phone, don't get me wrong, > > most > > > >>people should hang up and drive, but I don't > > know if > > > >>that is the case for everybody. The only time > > the > > > >>cell phone impaires my driving is while I am > > dialing > > > >>--- E.J.Dickerson@m.cc.utah.edu wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > Is it possible to really focus on more than > > one > > > >> > skill at > > > >> > a time? It seems that the more experienced > > you are > > > >> > at > > > >> > preforming an activity the easier it is to > > preform > > > >> > that > > > >> > activity while doing something else. For > > example, > > > >> > whistling while working, or talking while > > driving. > > > >> > These > > > >> > are activities that most people are capable > > of doing > > > >> > at > > > >> > the same time. However, it seems impossible > > to > > > >> > preform > > > >> > more than one skill at a time, when one of > > those > > > >> > skills > > > >> > is a newly learned skill. For example, > > learning how > > > >> > to > > > >> > drive while talking on a cell phone. Our > > attention > > > >> > must > > > >> > select a specific activity to focus on in > > order > > > >> > preform > > > >> > the activity at an acceptable level of > > performance. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > >> > Psych3120 mailing list > > > >> > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > >> > > > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >>_________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________ > > ______________ > > > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > > > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > > >Share information about yourself, create your own > > public > > profile at > > > >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >Psych3120 mailing list > > > >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > _____________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own > > public > > profile at > > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Psych3120 mailing list > > > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > === message truncated === > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From amark2@uswest.net Wed Sep 20 17:08:41 2000 From: amark2@uswest.net (mark archibald) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 10:08:41 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] rats References: Message-ID: <002601c0231d$0b9aec20$76eaa0d8@0017140944> Most studies say no, If that is the case why would the Bush people take such a risk? Oh! I forgot it was an accident! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [Psych3120] rats > Amber....I agree with your logic on subliminal messages. I do, however, think that these "words passed in front of us" could be working without us even being aware of it. We could be storing these in our memory without us realizing it. I do agree with the fact that we are probably more likely to buy a coke when you see the coke instead of just the word, but it's hard to say whether or not these subliminal messages are really working. That's just my opinion though... > Any others? > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From amark2@uswest.net Wed Sep 20 17:11:02 2000 From: amark2@uswest.net (mark archibald) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 10:11:02 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Emotion References: <26.aed5d6d.26f9ac04@aol.com> Message-ID: <003e01c0231d$5f1661e0$76eaa0d8@0017140944> Great question, after thinking about it how could it not effect it (tone) or loudness for tha matter. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 11:58 PM Subject: [Psych3120] Emotion > Maybe I just didn't pay enough attention (hee hee) in class today, so tell me > if I am being an idiot. Throughout the lecture I couldn't help but wounder > if the tone of voice used in the two messages made any difference. For > example, if the voice in message one was calm and relaxed and the one in > message two sounded distressed and almost on the verge of tears, would that > effect the amount of attention paid to either. Maybe I am just a really > sensitive person, but I would be more inclined to listen to the person who > was upset, even if they were speaking complete nonsense. Any thoughts??????? > > Silvana Acciardi > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From kmarc1@yahoo.com Wed Sep 20 17:48:14 2000 From: kmarc1@yahoo.com (Marcus Kimsey) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:48:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] cell phones Message-ID: <20000920164814.1558.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> Accidents often happen when people take their attention off the road, frequently when changing radio stations, looking for directions, etc. The main difference between cell phones and other distractors in a car is, in my opinion, the amount of time spent on it. Changing the radio station dosen't take long, so hopefully a person checks the road makes sure that the situation is safe and looks at the radio. Usually the situation won't change much while their attention is away from the road. Talking on the phone takes longer, but you can watch the road while you do it. If you have a hands-free phone I don't imagine that using it is much more distracting that talking to someone in the car would be (how much that is varies from person to person though.) However, if you are holding your phone that adds one more factor to be juggled if you suddenly have to respond to quickly to something, which could be dangerous. I belive the state legislature is considering a law to ban mobile phone use while driving in the name of safety. I don't have a cell phone but to me that seems excessive. Still, I doubt that such a law would ever pass, I bet every one of our legislators has a mobile phone. Any thoughts? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From ham070@hotmail.com Wed Sep 20 18:25:10 2000 From: ham070@hotmail.com (amber kresser) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:25:10 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] cell phones Message-ID: i have some friends from austrailia and from what they told me, it is against the law to drive while talking on a cell phone. if you are pulled over for using one on the road, you are given some sort of a ticket or a fine. i think that law makes sense, however i am guilty of talking and driving almost every day. i agree with the attention part, i dont think that its the talking that gets people into accidents, i think its the juggling of too many devices. as for myself, i have a stick shift and i have to sit the phone down to make a left hand turn or sometimes shift. but i dont feel it distracts my attention, i also sing a lot (by myself) in the car and i dont think that comprimsises my attention. the only thing i see as a hazard would be the juggling of the phone and the wheel. im sure many would disagree. >From: Marcus Kimsey >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] cell phones >Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:48:14 -0700 (PDT) > >Accidents often happen when people take their >attention off the road, frequently when changing radio >stations, looking for directions, etc. The main >difference between cell phones and other distractors >in a car is, in my opinion, the amount of time spent >on it. Changing the radio station dosen't take long, >so hopefully a person checks the road makes sure that >the situation is safe and looks at the radio. Usually >the situation won't change much while their attention >is away from the road. Talking on the phone takes >longer, but you can watch the road while you do it. >If you have a hands-free phone I don't imagine that >using it is much more distracting that talking to >someone in the car would be (how much that is varies >from person to person though.) However, if you are >holding your phone that adds one more factor to be >juggled if you suddenly have to respond to quickly to >something, which could be dangerous. > I belive the state legislature is considering a law >to ban mobile phone use while driving in the name of >safety. I don't have a cell phone but to me that >seems excessive. Still, I doubt that such a law would >ever pass, I bet every one of our legislators has a >mobile phone. Any thoughts? > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com/ > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From mobiaz@excite.com Wed Sep 20 18:30:38 2000 From: mobiaz@excite.com (mobiaz@excite.com) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 10:30:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Selective attention of sight. Message-ID: <18488552.969471038849.JavaMail.imail@seamore.excite.com> The explanation of how we could get computers to recognize letters with the deamon explanation parallels the example of the grandmother cells that were introduced within the visual system. The thought is that within the visual system that there aren't any cells that could respond to a specific object. For instance your grandmothers face. However there are cells that respond to given features and their differences. These features put together are what makes certain areas of the brain fire and can be perceived as recognition. Thus the familiar combination of firing that is triggered by a familiar face or object is the ultimate grounding behind the perception of familiarity of that object. There is not a given cell that is responsible for this. This is basically my understanding. However, I would like to hear others thoughts on this because if I am wrong I would like to know. Tyler Burnett _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu Wed Sep 20 19:05:55 2000 From: Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu (Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:05:55 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Psych3120] attention while driving Message-ID: <20000920180555.128244C14B@dorothy.ks.cc.utah.edu> There have been numerous times that I have been listening to NPR (or some other news show on the radio) while driving, and I will be so absorbed in the show that I miss my exit or street or forget completely where I was going. This either says alot about the excellent quality of the news programming, or my lack of intelligence... From Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu Wed Sep 20 19:13:15 2000 From: Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu (Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:13:15 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Psych3120] color websites Message-ID: <20000920181315.CBD6C4C14B@dorothy.ks.cc.utah.edu> I thought this message got sent last week, but apparently I dropped a letter off of the address. Sorry this is so late... This is in response to Karen's posting as well as anyone else interested in more information on color psychology. I browsed the web using "color psychology" and "color psychology marketing" and found the following sites interesting: http://www.aaaimg.com/Colbook/ http://www.alleykatt.com/colors/colorlnk.htm http://www.eboz.com/articles/design/229.shtml http://www.shibuya.com/garden/colorpsycho.html http://www.losaltosonline.com/latc/arch/9637/FallFash/8c olor/8color.html http://www.colormatters.com/entercolormatters.html http://www.he.net/~image/nwm/iminart/art0070.html http://www.notorioustech.com/art_d2.htm http://www.americashmall.com/Adornments/colortest.htm From jonnyutah@mindspring.com Wed Sep 20 20:05:55 2000 From: jonnyutah@mindspring.com (Jon Lindberg) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:05:55 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Attention References: <20000919140701.22777.qmail@web4206.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <39C90A93.B0B01E15@mindspring.com> Well, Kelly, you're not the only one who needs to have other things going on in the background while studying. If I don't have the TV on, or some other "noise" in the background while I am studying, I find it harder to focus on my studies. Right now while I am writing this, I have my amateur radio on listening to a gentlemen in Bozeman, Montana, and I also have the television on watching the news. I was studying my abnormal psychology text book before I replied to you, and I could rehash the last ten pages that i just read without looking at them. Maybe its because since we were kids we did our homework in front of the TV or stereo and don't really know any other way. It drives me nuts to study in the library because I just fall asleep and end up drooling on my book-not a pretty picture. Jon From marisamarston@hotmail.com Wed Sep 20 21:22:53 2000 From: marisamarston@hotmail.com (Marisa Marston) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:22:53 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] color code Message-ID: I just read an e-mail about the color code and was wondering if I could get some more information on it. That sounds amazing. Does your color reflect your personality? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Wed Sep 20 21:38:00 2000 From: kgriffin2001@yahoo.com (Karen Griffin) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:38:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Attention Message-ID: <20000920203800.9615.qmail@web4904.mail.yahoo.com> I have heard that if you are doing something other than watching the road and you get in an accident, you will get a ticket, even if the accident was the fault of the other driver. So, from the way I understand it, if you get hit by another car, but you were putting on makeup (lipstick), fooling with the radio, had your cell phone out, eating, etc., you would get some sort of ticket - not necessarily the ticket for causing the accident, but I guess the thought is that you could have avoided the accident if you had been paying complete attention. I was also thinking about smokers - their car insurance premiums are higher. I assume this is not because of any risk of lung cancer, but that lighting a cigarette, or putting one out could be a distraction. There may be statistics to support this. I'm not a smoker, so I've never checked into it, but I've always thought it was interesting. Karen Griffin --- "Richardson, Tim" wrote: > I have done that same thing except the scary part is > that I went through the > light and then a few hundred feet down the road I > don't have any > recollection of the light being green or any color. > I hope that checking > the light is such a mundane thing that I don't spend > much time thinking > about it, I just check it and go... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Lallatin [mailto:jlallatin@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 9:04 AM > To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > Subject: Re: Re: [Psych3120] Attention > > This ha happened to me too. I will be driving and > come to a stop light. Before I know it I amdriving > down the road but i don't remember the light turning > green. > > --- Rachel Norris wrote: > > I do think that doing any other task while driving > > is very > > dangerous. I notice that if I try to eat my > > breakfast > > while driving to school, I don't pay very good > > attention to > > the road and I'm more careless. Like someone else > > > mentioned, all of the sudden I'm to my destination > > and I > > have no idea how I got there. Very scary. > > > > > I have a question about driving and talking on > > cell > > phones and maybe > > > Dr.Strayer will answer it later on, but I > wondered > > if > > anyone had any ideas > > > in the meantime. I'm not saying that it's good > or > > bad to > > talk and drive, > > > and I realize that it could distract people > while > > driving > > by switching their > > > attention and furthermore, you would only have > one > > free > > hand. However, is > > > talking on a cell phone while driving that much > > different > > than eating while > > > driving or doing related things? If not, then > > where do > > you draw the line? > > > What about switching radio stations, or trying > to > > find > > something in the car? > > > If anyone has any thoughts, please let me > know. > > > > > > Greg > > > > > > >From: "matt garff" > > > >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention > > > >Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:05:59 MDT > > > > > > > >I read in our text today something that is > > related to > > the following > > > >comment. > > > > On pages 82-83, it talks about people that > had > > read > > stories and also > > > >listen to a tape recorder and write down the > > words that > > they hear. This > > > >would be impossible for me, I'm myopic as hell, > > but it > > said that with > > > >massive practice, the individuals could > actually > > do both > > write the words > > > >and > > > >read at normal rates with high comprehension. > So > > I > > figure that the > > > >differences between women and men in the > ability > > to do > > more than one task > > > >is > > > >primarily because of practice. As for the cell > > phone > > and driving, I'm not > > > >so sure. I always get uneasy when I'm notice > > someone > > driving and talking > > > >on > > > >a cell. > > > > > > > >MATT GARFF > > > >>From: Kelly Symes > > > >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > >>Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention > > > >>Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 07:07:01 -0700 (PDT) > > > >> > > > >>I don't feel that it is very hard to do most > > things at > > > >>once. I am horrible for this. It may just be > > the ADHD > > > >>coming out, but I would rather do more than > one > > thing > > > >>at once. It keeps my mind focused on the > things > > I am > > > >>doing as opposed to leaving all the time. I > > almost > > > >>have to have the TV on or talk to someone on > the > > phone > > > >>while I do my homework so that my mind doesn't > > get too > > > >>bored and wander off. I don't know if anybody > > else is > > > >>like that. I also find (Contrary to what D. > > Strayer > > > >>might say) that I am actually more focused > while > > > >>driving with a cell phone, don't get me wrong, > > most > > > >>people should hang up and drive, but I don't > > know if > > > >>that is the case for everybody. The only time > > the > > > >>cell phone impaires my driving is while I am > > dialing > > > >>--- E.J.Dickerson@m.cc.utah.edu wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > Is it possible to really focus on more than > > one > > > >> > skill at > > > >> > a time? It seems that the more experienced > > you are > > > >> > at > > > >> > preforming an activity the easier it is to > > preform > > > >> > that > > > >> > activity while doing something else. For > > example, > > > >> > whistling while working, or talking while > > driving. > > > >> > These > > > >> > are activities that most people are capable > > of doing > > > >> > at > > > >> > the same time. However, it seems impossible > > to > > > >> > preform > > > >> > more than one skill at a time, when one of > > those > > > >> > skills > > > >> > is a newly learned skill. For example, > > learning how > > > >> > to > > > >> > drive while talking on a cell phone. Our > > attention > > > >> > must > > > >> > select a specific activity to focus on in > > order > > > >> > preform > > > >> > the activity at an acceptable level of > > performance. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > >> > Psych3120 mailing list > > > >> > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > >> > > > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>_________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Wed Sep 20 21:43:44 2000 From: kgriffin2001@yahoo.com (Karen Griffin) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:43:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Re: Attention Message-ID: <20000920204344.7291.qmail@web4903.mail.yahoo.com> From what I understand (and from personal experience) it is easy to do two things at once if one of the things is automatic. So, it's easy to carry on a conversation and walk at the same time because you don't have to concentrate on walking. It becomes harder when both things require concentration, or you have not practiced one or both of the items a lot. I do think the ability to multi-task is a learned behavior, however, and I do think that women have been conditioned to be better at it than men. As someone mentioned earlier, because of traditional responsibilities in a home, it would difficult to accomplish all that needs to be done if a woman was not adept at doing more than one thing at a time. In fact, I know very few women who can just sit and watch TV. Most have to be doing something with their hands, or it drives them crazy! Most men (I won't say all), on the other hand have learned to focus and concentrate on one task. I don't think it's genetic, I think it's learned. Karen Griffin --- Mexpebbles@aol.com wrote: > I agree with you on the fact that it is not likely > you can focus better when you are trying to do two > things at once. That really just doesn't seem > possible. You would have to be focusing on one of > the things more or not absorbing all the information > from both of them like you had mentioned. > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From wilson624@hotmail.com Wed Sep 20 21:45:12 2000 From: wilson624@hotmail.com (alanna wilson) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:45:12 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] depth perception Message-ID: Depth perception is something of interest to me. How many of you pay attention at how far something is or how close for that matter? Do we do it in our daily lives without realizing how much? Depth perception is very important when driving a car for instance. If you are not accurate on your interpretation then you are likely to get in an accident. I personally don't have very good depth perception when driving, particularly at night. I think I am a pretty good distance away from an object when the person in the passenger seat might be gripping the handle on the door because I'm so close. We don't always judge correctly the depth of an object. Maybe this is why baby's are often afraid of their crib. They are standing inside but if young are afraid to climb out due to a lack of development of the depth perception. Often times they might become very afraid whereas, older baby's have no problem climbing out because they are a little bit more developed. Of course this doesn't help my problem with the lack of a good depth perception while driving. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Wed Sep 20 21:50:14 2000 From: kgriffin2001@yahoo.com (Karen Griffin) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:50:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Power of suggestion Message-ID: <20000920205014.11101.qmail@web4904.mail.yahoo.com> I was reading in the textbook I'm using where the author talked about his young daughter who is convinced that she can remember her birth. He is surmising that what she "remembers" is a combination of the events surrounding her birth that she's heard her parents talk about over the years and the things she actually remembers about the birth of her younger sister. Karen Griffin --- Mad4madimac@aol.com wrote: > Chris, > I find your comment very interesting. I think > that it does have to do > with what we have been discussing at times, when he > speaks of eyewitness > testimony. Maybe it's not the same thing, but I > think that our minds are > very susceptible to even slight suggestions, as you > say, from maybe someone > who has a stronger will, or what we want to see or > perceive that may not be > based on reality. It makes me wonder whether our > basic views, of our > childhood for instance, have any basis in reality or > are they just our > perceptions of what happened to us. And like you > said, how often are we > persuaded by our environment, or our perceptions > from within? > Madison > #00155404 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Wed Sep 20 22:09:30 2000 From: kgriffin2001@yahoo.com (Karen Griffin) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:09:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: <20000920210930.28357.qmail@web4901.mail.yahoo.com> I've even been wondering how effective any advertising is - subliminal or otherwise. I was walking around my house the other night singing the "Zoom-zoom" song from the car commercial that's out right now. Then I realized I didn't even know which car they were advertising! It was the same way with most of the ads during this past Superbowl. Then the other day I was listening to NPR and heard someone's explanation that a song or a jingle is more effective in advertising because people will remember the song and repeat it more than they'll remember and repeat the spoken word. I think this is true. How many of us can sing the Burger King jingle (maybe you are all too young, but I've heard it recently with the Back Street Boys singing it--"hold the pickles, hold the lettuce...")? Or the Band-aid, or Oscar Meyer songs? So, I guess the lesson here is if you're going to write a television ad, make sure you include your company's name in the song you put with the ad - not just "Zoom-Zoom!" Karen Griffin --- Lexi Monroe wrote: > Lexi Monroe > Psych 3120 > > I was just looking through the paper and I found > an article dealing with > just what we talked about the other day in class, > about subliminal messages. > It was talking about the Bush campaign that showed > RATS on the screen real > quickly during one of their commercials. The > newspaper says that it was > "denigrating" Vice President Gore. The article in > case anybody wants to see > it was in the Sept. 14th issue of the Salt Lake > Tribune. Anyway, in the > article it again reitterated however that subliminal > messages in advertising > doesn't seem to be effective. I guess what baffles > me is if studies have > shown that subliminal advertising doesn't work, then > why do advertisements > still use it? For example, how songs use subliminal > messages also, I mean, > no subliminal messaging is effective right? I don't > know, the mind is such > a complex thing, that maybe if it was done > differently, it could be > effective. Who knows? I just thought that was > interesting that there was a > big article talking about what we just talked about > in lecture the other > day. > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own > public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Wed Sep 20 22:18:38 2000 From: kgriffin2001@yahoo.com (Karen Griffin) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:18:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Split-Brain Patients Message-ID: <20000920211838.11390.qmail@web4903.mail.yahoo.com> I just ran across some information on this recently. It talked about the experiments that were done where objects were placed behind a piece of paper and then words were put on both the right and left side. When the objects were on the left side, the subjects were able to not only identify the object, but were also able to verbally communicate what the object was. If, however, the object and the word were placed on the right side, the subjects were able to identify the object, but they were unable to communicate it. It also talked that when the objects and the words were mixed up, e.g., the object on the right, but a different word on the left, the subjects would communicate the word on the left, not the object. I thought this would be interesting in the case of not only epileptics who had their corpus callosum severed, but also stroke patients. It would be very frustrating to have the language portion of the brain basically separate from the visual part of the brain and try to communicate with someone. You would have to learn to transfer things to the left side of your body to be able to effectively communicate what you were trying to say. Karen Griffin --- Kristin Ward wrote: > Sometimes, in severe cases of epilepsy, it becomes > necessary to sever the corpus callosum (the bridge > between brain hemispheres). This effectively makes > the left and right brain into two separate systems. > The patient still receives all of the visual > information from both visual fields because the > optic chiasm (which is in front of the corpus > callosum) remains intact, but can no longer share > the information between hemispheres after processing > has occured. What effect do you think this has on > visual perception and the individual's interaction > with his or her visual environment? > > Kristin > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From jpix@networld.com Wed Sep 20 22:34:32 2000 From: jpix@networld.com (Jeffrey Pixton) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:34:32 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Attention In-Reply-To: <20000920203800.9615.qmail@web4904.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200009202136.PAA20715@jafo.csbs.utah.edu> I just wanted to go back to that idea of automaticity in regards to smoking while driving. Smoking is a habit and many times you are unaware that you are even holding a cigarette. It does not take much concentration to light a cigarette while driving because of the habituality of it. I also wanted to add that my insurance premiums are not higher because I am a smoker. I was unaware of this potential clause, but like you, I would be interested in understanding their logic on that one. Natalie Janovak -----Original Message----- From: Karen Griffin To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:38:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: Re: [Psych3120] Attention >I have heard that if you are doing something other >than watching the road and you get in an accident, you >will get a ticket, even if the accident was the fault >of the other driver. So, from the way I understand >it, if you get hit by another car, but you were >putting on makeup (lipstick), fooling with the radio, >had your cell phone out, eating, etc., you would get >some sort of ticket - not necessarily the ticket for >causing the accident, but I guess the thought is that >you could have avoided the accident if you had been >paying complete attention. > >I was also thinking about smokers - their car >insurance premiums are higher. I assume this is not >because of any risk of lung cancer, but that lighting >a cigarette, or putting one out could be a >distraction. There may be statistics to support this. > I'm not a smoker, so I've never checked into it, but >I've always thought it was interesting. > >Karen Griffin >--- "Richardson, Tim" >wrote: >> I have done that same thing except the scary part is >> that I went through the >> light and then a few hundred feet down the road I >> don't have any >> recollection of the light being green or any color. >> I hope that checking >> the light is such a mundane thing that I don't spend >> much time thinking >> about it, I just check it and go... >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jon Lallatin [mailto:jlallatin@yahoo.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 9:04 AM >> To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >> Subject: Re: Re: [Psych3120] Attention >> >> This ha happened to me too. I will be driving and >> come to a stop light. Before I know it I amdriving >> down the road but i don't remember the light turning >> green. >> >> --- Rachel Norris wrote: >> > I do think that doing any other task while driving >> > is very >> > dangerous. I notice that if I try to eat my >> > breakfast >> > while driving to school, I don't pay very good >> > attention to >> > the road and I'm more careless. Like someone else >> >> > mentioned, all of the sudden I'm to my destination >> > and I >> > have no idea how I got there. Very scary. >> > >> > > I have a question about driving and talking on >> > cell >> > phones and maybe >> > > Dr.Strayer will answer it later on, but I >> wondered >> > if >> > anyone had any ideas >> > > in the meantime. I'm not saying that it's good >> or >> > bad to >> > talk and drive, >> > > and I realize that it could distract people >> while >> > driving >> > by switching their >> > > attention and furthermore, you would only have >> one >> > free >> > hand. However, is >> > > talking on a cell phone while driving that much >> > different >> > than eating while >> > > driving or doing related things? If not, then >> > where do >> > you draw the line? >> > > What about switching radio stations, or trying >> to >> > find >> > something in the car? >> > > If anyone has any thoughts, please let me >> know. >> > > >> > > Greg >> > > >> > > >From: "matt garff" >> > > >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >> > > >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >> > > >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention >> > > >Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:05:59 MDT >> > > > >> > > >I read in our text today something that is >> > related to >> > the following >> > > >comment. >> > > > On pages 82-83, it talks about people that >> had >> > read >> > stories and also >> > > >listen to a tape recorder and write down the >> > words that >> > they hear. This >> > > >would be impossible for me, I'm myopic as hell, >> > but it >> > said that with >> > > >massive practice, the individuals could >> actually >> > do both >> > write the words >> > > >and >> > > >read at normal rates with high comprehension. >> So >> > I >> > figure that the >> > > >differences between women and men in the >> ability >> > to do >> > more than one task >> > > >is >> > > >primarily because of practice. As for the cell >> > phone >> > and driving, I'm not >> > > >so sure. I always get uneasy when I'm notice >> > someone >> > driving and talking >> > > >on >> > > >a cell. >> > > > >> > > >MATT GARFF >> > > >>From: Kelly Symes >> > > >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >> > > >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >> > > >>Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention >> > > >>Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 07:07:01 -0700 (PDT) >> > > >> >> > > >>I don't feel that it is very hard to do most >> > things at >> > > >>once. I am horrible for this. It may just be >> > the ADHD >> > > >>coming out, but I would rather do more than >> one >> > thing >> > > >>at once. It keeps my mind focused on the >> things >> > I am >> > > >>doing as opposed to leaving all the time. I >> > almost >> > > >>have to have the TV on or talk to someone on >> the >> > phone >> > > >>while I do my homework so that my mind doesn't >> > get too >> > > >>bored and wander off. I don't know if anybody >> > else is >> > > >>like that. I also find (Contrary to what D. >> > Strayer >> > > >>might say) that I am actually more focused >> while >> > > >>driving with a cell phone, don't get me wrong, >> > most >> > > >>people should hang up and drive, but I don't >> > know if >> > > >>that is the case for everybody. The only time >> > the >> > > >>cell phone impaires my driving is while I am >> > dialing >> > > >>--- E.J.Dickerson@m.cc.utah.edu wrote: >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Is it possible to really focus on more than >> > one >> > > >> > skill at >> > > >> > a time? It seems that the more experienced >> > you are >> > > >> > at >> > > >> > preforming an activity the easier it is to >> > preform >> > > >> > that >> > > >> > activity while doing something else. For >> > example, >> > > >> > whistling while working, or talking while >> > driving. >> > > >> > These >> > > >> > are activities that most people are capable >> > of doing >> > > >> > at >> > > >> > the same time. However, it seems impossible >> > to >> > > >> > preform >> > > >> > more than one skill at a time, when one of >> > those >> > > >> > skills >> > > >> > is a newly learned skill. For example, >> > learning how >> > > >> > to >> > > >> > drive while talking on a cell phone. Our >> > attention >> > > >> > must >> > > >> > select a specific activity to focus on in >> > order >> > > >> > preform >> > > >> > the activity at an acceptable level of >> > performance. >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > > >> > Psych3120 mailing list >> > > >> > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >> > > >> > >> > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > >> >>_________________________________________________ >> > > > >> > > >> >=== message truncated === > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com/ > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 ********************************* Get your free E-Mail and Homepage Go to http://www.networld.com ********************************* From jpix@networld.com Wed Sep 20 22:56:58 2000 From: jpix@networld.com (Jeffrey Pixton) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:56:58 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] attention while driving In-Reply-To: <20000920180555.128244C14B@dorothy.ks.cc.utah.edu> Message-ID: <200009202157.PAA21144@jafo.csbs.utah.edu> You're not alone there. I think those news reporters are hypnotic and I think that's what they want them to be. It is easy to take your attention off of the road to imagine what it would be like to be eating bugs in the jungle. I think that conversations or stories while driving are right up there with cell phones and danger, based on research that I have read which supports the idea that its not the physical handling of cell phones that is distracting. It is the actual conversation and involvement in the conversation that is distracting. I believe that it is Dr. Strayer who is very involved in this research. Natalie Janovak -----Original Message----- From: Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:05:55 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Psych3120] attention while driving > >There have been numerous times that I have been >listening to NPR (or some other news show on the >radio) while driving, and I will be so absorbed in the >show that I miss my exit or street or forget completely >where I was going. This either says alot about the >excellent quality of the news programming, or my lack of >intelligence... > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 ********************************* Get your free E-Mail and Homepage Go to http://www.networld.com ********************************* From artemishae@yahoo.com Wed Sep 20 23:15:02 2000 From: artemishae@yahoo.com (Kelly Symes) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:15:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Attention Message-ID: <20000920221502.3332.qmail@web4202.mail.yahoo.com> This is in reguards to Karen's comment, How do the police know if someone is doing something else when the accident happened? --- Karen Griffin wrote: > I have heard that if you are doing something other > than watching the road and you get in an accident, > you > will get a ticket, even if the accident was the > fault > of the other driver. So, from the way I understand > it, if you get hit by another car, but you were > putting on makeup (lipstick), fooling with the > radio, > had your cell phone out, eating, etc., you would get > some sort of ticket - not necessarily the ticket for > causing the accident, but I guess the thought is > that > you could have avoided the accident if you had been > paying complete attention. > > I was also thinking about smokers - their car > insurance premiums are higher. I assume this is not > because of any risk of lung cancer, but that > lighting > a cigarette, or putting one out could be a > distraction. There may be statistics to support > this. > I'm not a smoker, so I've never checked into it, > but > I've always thought it was interesting. > > Karen Griffin > --- "Richardson, Tim" > wrote: > > I have done that same thing except the scary part > is > > that I went through the > > light and then a few hundred feet down the road I > > don't have any > > recollection of the light being green or any > color. > > I hope that checking > > the light is such a mundane thing that I don't > spend > > much time thinking > > about it, I just check it and go... > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jon Lallatin [mailto:jlallatin@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 9:04 AM > > To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > Subject: Re: Re: [Psych3120] Attention > > > > This ha happened to me too. I will be driving and > > come to a stop light. Before I know it I > amdriving > > down the road but i don't remember the light > turning > > green. > > > > --- Rachel Norris > wrote: > > > I do think that doing any other task while > driving > > > is very > > > dangerous. I notice that if I try to eat my > > > breakfast > > > while driving to school, I don't pay very good > > > attention to > > > the road and I'm more careless. Like someone > else > > > > > mentioned, all of the sudden I'm to my > destination > > > and I > > > have no idea how I got there. Very scary. > > > > > > > I have a question about driving and talking on > > > cell > > > phones and maybe > > > > Dr.Strayer will answer it later on, but I > > wondered > > > if > > > anyone had any ideas > > > > in the meantime. I'm not saying that it's > good > > or > > > bad to > > > talk and drive, > > > > and I realize that it could distract people > > while > > > driving > > > by switching their > > > > attention and furthermore, you would only have > > one > > > free > > > hand. However, is > > > > talking on a cell phone while driving that > much > > > different > > > than eating while > > > > driving or doing related things? If not, then > > > where do > > > you draw the line? > > > > What about switching radio stations, or trying > > to > > > find > > > something in the car? > > > > If anyone has any thoughts, please let me > > know. > > > > > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > >From: "matt garff" > > > > >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > > >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > > >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention > > > > >Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:05:59 MDT > > > > > > > > > >I read in our text today something that is > > > related to > > > the following > > > > >comment. > > > > > On pages 82-83, it talks about people that > > had > > > read > > > stories and also > > > > >listen to a tape recorder and write down the > > > words that > > > they hear. This > > > > >would be impossible for me, I'm myopic as > hell, > > > but it > > > said that with > > > > >massive practice, the individuals could > > actually > > > do both > > > write the words > > > > >and > > > > >read at normal rates with high comprehension. > > > So > > > I > > > figure that the > > > > >differences between women and men in the > > ability > > > to do > > > more than one task > > > > >is > > > > >primarily because of practice. As for the > cell > > > phone > > > and driving, I'm not > > > > >so sure. I always get uneasy when I'm notice > > > someone > > > driving and talking > > > > >on > > > > >a cell. > > > > > > > > > >MATT GARFF > > > > >>From: Kelly Symes > > > > >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > > >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > > >>Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention > > > > >>Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 07:07:01 -0700 (PDT) > > > > >> > > > > >>I don't feel that it is very hard to do most > > > things at > > > > >>once. I am horrible for this. It may just > be > > > the ADHD > > > > >>coming out, but I would rather do more than > > one > > > thing > > > > >>at once. It keeps my mind focused on the > > things > > > I am > > > > >>doing as opposed to leaving all the time. I > > > almost > > > > >>have to have the TV on or talk to someone on > > the > > > phone > > > > >>while I do my homework so that my mind > doesn't > > > get too > > > > >>bored and wander off. I don't know if > anybody > > > else is > > > > >>like that. I also find (Contrary to what D. > > > Strayer > > > > >>might say) that I am actually more focused > > while > > > > >>driving with a cell phone, don't get me > wrong, > > > most > > > > >>people should hang up and drive, but I don't > > > know if > > > > >>that is the case for everybody. The only > time > > > the > > > > >>cell phone impaires my driving is while I am > > > dialing > > > > >>--- E.J.Dickerson@m.cc.utah.edu wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Is it possible to really focus on more > than > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From artemishae@yahoo.com Wed Sep 20 23:25:14 2000 From: artemishae@yahoo.com (Kelly Symes) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:25:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] cell phones Message-ID: <20000920222514.18118.qmail@web4203.mail.yahoo.com> This is to Marcus. I don't feel that the cell phone is a distraction the whole time you are on it. It is kind of like your radio analogy. Sure you are distracted by changing the stations. This would be the same as dialing the phone, you have to look and concentrate. I think the phone is also like the radio in the idea that you don't have to concentrate to listen to the radio, and by the same token, I don't think you really need to concentrate to talk on the phone. You listen and sometimes sing along with the radio all the time, so it isn't like you just don't have to pay attention to it. I do think that maybe it distracts some people and if it is noticably distracting (ie swerveing, too fast or too slow of driving etc) but I don't think this applies to everyone. --- Marcus Kimsey wrote: > Accidents often happen when people take their > attention off the road, frequently when changing > radio > stations, looking for directions, etc. The main > difference between cell phones and other distractors > in a car is, in my opinion, the amount of time spent > on it. Changing the radio station dosen't take > long, > so hopefully a person checks the road makes sure > that > the situation is safe and looks at the radio. > Usually > the situation won't change much while their > attention > is away from the road. Talking on the phone takes > longer, but you can watch the road while you do it. > If you have a hands-free phone I don't imagine that > using it is much more distracting that talking to > someone in the car would be (how much that is varies > from person to person though.) However, if you are > holding your phone that adds one more factor to be > juggled if you suddenly have to respond to quickly > to > something, which could be dangerous. > I belive the state legislature is considering a > law > to ban mobile phone use while driving in the name of > safety. I don't have a cell phone but to me that > seems excessive. Still, I doubt that such a law > would > ever pass, I bet every one of our legislators has a > mobile phone. Any thoughts? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! > Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Mad4madimac@aol.com Wed Sep 20 23:39:17 2000 From: Mad4madimac@aol.com (Mad4madimac@aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:39:17 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] The color code Message-ID: For more information about the color code, go to www.thecolorcode.com it has all the info that you would need to get a hold of the book or get an outline of the system. It is an incredible way to see yourself and others around you. Madison #00155404 From Kelly R. Sheffield" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C02268.57D08380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just wanted to comment on the discussion that's been going on = about the difference in the way that males and females direct their = attention. I don't know if I support the idea that women are more = likely to split their attention between multiple tasks. I think that = one indicator of whether a person will multi-task or not is certainly = their personality type. I, for example, am kind of a type "A" = personality. I tend to get stressed easily and I'm always thinking = about what I need to get done or should be doing. FOr this reason, I = can usually be found doing multiple things at once. If I talk on the = phone, I'm always doing something else at the same time, like cleaning = my house or folding laundry, etc. On the other hand, my husband is a = very calm and relaxed person. He is more likely to concentrate on doing = one thing at a time. So, I'd be interested to know whether some of you = think this is a gender difference or a personality difference that can = explain our behaviors. -Liz Gardner=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C02268.57D08380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    I just wanted to = comment on the=20 discussion that's been going on about the difference in the way that = males and=20 females direct their attention.  I don't know if I support the idea = that=20 women are more likely to split their attention between multiple = tasks.  I=20 think that one indicator of whether a person will multi-task or not is = certainly=20 their personality type.  I, for example, am kind of a type "A"=20 personality.  I tend to get stressed easily and I'm always = thinking=20 about what I need to get done or should be doing.  = FOr this=20 reason, I can usually be found doing multiple things at once.  If I = talk on=20 the phone, I'm always doing something else at the same time, like = cleaning my=20 house or folding laundry, etc.  On the other hand, my husband is a = very=20 calm and relaxed person.  He is more likely to concentrate on doing = one=20 thing at a time.  So, I'd be interested to know whether = some of=20 you think this is a gender difference or a personality difference that=20 can explain our behaviors.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C02268.57D08380-- From Melissa.Lemon@m.cc.utah.edu Wed Sep 20 03:56:45 2000 From: Melissa.Lemon@m.cc.utah.edu (Melissa.Lemon@m.cc.utah.edu) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:56:45 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Attention/Vision Message-ID: <20000920025645.A7C1D4C117@dorothy.ks.cc.utah.edu> In reading people's comments about attention and gender differences, I do not think that gender is all that you have to take into account. My husband and I are very different when it comes to attention. When I am doing something, anything in fact, I like to have 100% attention so I can get whatever it is I am doing, done quickly and accurately. For example, when I am at work performing a task, the radio could be on and someone could be talking to me and I would tune them both out almost completely to focus on what I am doing. This has earned me the nickname of "focused" at work. My husband on the other hand will do more than one thing at a time. I can do more than one thing at a time, I just choose not to. Perhaps personality has something to do with it then. Also, in reguards to people's questions about infants not being exposed to color, in Romanian orphanages children have been left in cribs of rooms that have plain white walls. Most of the time these children become blind. From becky@lumintech.com Thu Sep 21 01:12:58 2000 From: becky@lumintech.com (Becky Alder) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:12:58 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Attention Message-ID: I was reading through some of the emails that came in since the lecture on Tuesday. I find the ability to direct attention very fascinating. It is ironic how when I need to read a text book I come up with every excuse to put it down. Then I have to force myself to pay attention, even then my mind wanders everywhere. On the other hand I can pick up a good fiction novel and read it all weekend, stay up until the ungodly hours of the night/morning, and even call in sick to work the next day just to finish the book. I even have to restrict my reading venues until I have a long weekend coming with nothing on the agenda! I also wanted to comment on the subliminal message idea. I believe that subliminal is any message that is trying to "sneak" into the line of ones attention. Therefore when one is watching a movie and the subjects are always standing next to a Pepsi machine or truck, that would also be a subliminal message. I know if I see that enough I start to crave a Pepsi! From garffdog@hotmail.com Thu Sep 21 01:21:16 2000 From: garffdog@hotmail.com (matt garff) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:21:16 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Re: Male Attention Message-ID: Actually, I have a hard time listening to the TV and talking on the phone at the same time. If I turn the TV down, I do ok, but I can't speak for all men. MATT GARFF 00144838 >From: CatherineW123@aol.com >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Re: Male Attention >Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:27:11 EDT > > In the study I saw it said that males have a hard time watching TV and >talking on the phone at once or playing Playstation and talking on the >phone. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kmarc1@yahoo.com Thu Sep 21 01:34:59 2000 From: kmarc1@yahoo.com (Marcus Kimsey) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:34:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] smoker's insurance Message-ID: <20000921003459.16115.qmail@web215.mail.yahoo.com> Insurance companies collect collect incredible volumes of information on everyone that they can and see what is correlated with accidents and what is correlated with accident-free driving. One of the companies did a statistical analysis a while back (I think it was the late 70s) and found that smokers statistically got into more accidents than non-smokers, for whatever reason. They began to offer a non-smoker discount in order to attract more of these "safer" drivers (and have to make fewer payouts.) I don't know if anyone has ever tried to establish a causal relationship between smoking and accidents, or even if the discount is even offered anymore. I'm a non-smoker and I haven't got one. Anyway maybe the accident rates have changed, we all know that correlation does not prove causation. Really, back in the seventies almost everyone smoked, so maybe the non-smokers were all really anal retentive or something and thus avoided accidents by being at home obsessing about how their lawn was cut. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From jefbruwid@excite.com Thu Sep 21 03:43:49 2000 From: jefbruwid@excite.com (Jeff Widdison) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 19:43:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Music; does it stimulate or limit attention Message-ID: <32457583.969504229701.JavaMail.imail@prickles> I have always understood that you are not suppose to listen to music while you study because of limited capacity. I absolutely agree, to a point. Whenever I am trying to read, write, or analyze a particular problem, I need almost complete silence. I've tried with music before, and I find that I either concentrate on my studies and next thing I know, the CD ends, or else I listen to the music and stay on the same reading page for 30 minutes. Now, with other sorts of activities, music almost inspires me and it stimulates my capabilities. For example, when I had a drawing class, I couldn't do any art, unless I had some headphones on. Same with mathematics, I do so much better with music of any type. Then of course with athletic performances, such as working out in a weight room, music is so much more of an aid, and does not damage any attention. My question to this is the following: Instead of seeing limited capacity as one big tank that can be filled all at once, can we seperate it into two segments? Perhaps left side of brain vs. right side? Or maybe comprehensive thinking vs. artistic thinking? I would predict that our comprehensive attention would be a lot more limited than anything else. Jeff Widdison #00153153 _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From mattdhubby@hotmail.com Thu Sep 21 04:38:09 2000 From: mattdhubby@hotmail.com (matt wilson) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:38:09 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] psych3120 Message-ID: The concept of selective attention is a very interesting one. The idea that we can actually "tune out" the sounds that we don't want to hear. We have all experienced selective attention; when we are at a concert talking to some friends, at a football game, or any other time when we have a thousand sounds and other noises around that we don't necessarily want to listen to. I suppose the downside to our power of selective attention is when that power is used against us. I have a friend who I can talk to for several minutes without her realizing I'm actually talking. She can be looking right at me, but her focus will be in a completely different place. I call it her blackout mode. It completely fascinates me how she can be looking right in my eyes, yet not be hearing a word I'm saying. I suppose you could just call her the superwoman of selective attention. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kwan_carrie@hotmail.com Thu Sep 21 05:58:57 2000 From: kwan_carrie@hotmail.com (Carrie Kwan) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 22:58:57 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] selective attention Message-ID: I have a question about selective attention. When we performed the exercises in class that showed us how limited our perceptual scope is, I wondered how that works with say like special agents or detectives. I once heard that when a normal person walk in a room and leave after a little while, that person would have difficulty giving detail descriptions of everything in the room. For example, most people wouldn't be able to tell you what color the vase was, the texture of the curtains, what direction the telephone was facing, if there was a pen on the table, and so on. However, a person after considerable training, would be able to give precise detail of everything in a given setting, even if they were talking to someone or doing something that may require their attention. How does the selective attention theory explain this pheonomenon? Can training compensate for our selective attention limitations? Or does special training simply allow a person to focus object to object at an incredible speed? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From ethanfinley@hotmail.com Thu Sep 21 14:30:03 2000 From: ethanfinley@hotmail.com (Ethan Finley) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 07:30:03 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Attention models Message-ID: I'm very interested in the models of attention discussed in our book. As Dr. Strayer has mentioned in class, a lot of these models of cognition are steeped very much in an engineering tradition (that is to say, take on a very schematic, mechanical nature). I quite like how the book summarized the history of the development of our current models of attention. From the filter theory all the way up to very refined ideas of attenuation, I found this explanation to be very asthetically pleasing. What I mean by this is that it has simplicity, it is quite clear, and it accounts for all aspects of our attentional processes. I guess that is what makes a good theory or model. Here is the crux of my message though, and I hate to play the devil's advocate on this one, but I know this is the very kind of question which gets tossed around in academic and clinical circles: when we speak of some mental "energy", some "fuel", or some "limited potential", WHAT exactly are we speaking of? What constitutes this idea in the material world. Essentially, what is attention besides the concept of attention? I hope that made sense. I'm just asking from the perspective of a hard scientist, an empiricist, who would want proof of this construct's existence. I recall that, while Freud's ideas if the Id, Ego, and Superego might have accounted for many aspects of personality, behavior, and even pathology, these and many others of his ideas were pummeled by scientists because they COULDN'T be substantiated in a labaratory setting. Still, something like the partical-wave theory of light, while obviously not what is actually happening in reality, is a useful MODEL because it helps us UNDERSTAND the phenomenon of light. I think that this Attenuation Model similarly helps us understand this idea of "attention"......whatever IT is! :) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From CatherineW123@aol.com Thu Sep 21 15:04:45 2000 From: CatherineW123@aol.com (CatherineW123@aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:04:45 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] Attention Message-ID: I guess the police would know if you were doing something else when the accident happened if there was a witness to the accident or if you admitted what you were doing. From CatherineW123@aol.com Thu Sep 21 15:07:23 2000 From: CatherineW123@aol.com (CatherineW123@aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:07:23 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] smoker's insurance Message-ID: <5b.b934611.26fb701b@aol.com> I am a nonsmoker and my insurance company still gives me the discount. From M.Burchett@m.cc.utah.edu Thu Sep 21 16:53:44 2000 From: M.Burchett@m.cc.utah.edu (M.Burchett@m.cc.utah.edu) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:53:44 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Psych3120] selective attention In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20000921155344.9AB1153FB1@dorothy.ks.cc.utah.edu> Quoting Carrie Kwan : > I have a question about selective attention. When we performed the > exercises > in class that showed us how limited our perceptual scope is, I wondered how > > that works with say like special agents or detectives. I once heard that > when a normal person walk in a room and leave after a little while, that > person would have difficulty giving detail descriptions of everything in > the > room. For example, most people wouldn't be able to tell you what color the > vase was, the texture of the curtains, what direction the telephone was > facing, if there was a pen on the table, and so on. However, a person after > > considerable training, would be able to give precise detail of everything > in > a given setting, even if they were talking to someone or doing something > that may require their attention. How does the selective attention theory > explain this pheonomenon? Can training compensate for our selective > attention limitations? Or does special training simply allow a person to > focus object to object at an incredible speed? Though I am not familiar with the phenomenon you describe here, I believe that detectives are more aware of their surroundings than typical people. I think you are correct about this being due to their special training in that area, not to mention their continual practice in the field. The section in the book on automaticity would explain this in more detail than I would be able to relate here. Any of us find certain things more interesting than others and are therefore more likely to aattend to these things. Our textbook author gives the example of psychology for himself. Whenever he hears the words "psychology" in a conversation, he is likely to attend to that conversation. Therefore, he is more likely to walk away from that conversation with a more detailed knowledge of hte parts of the conversation that pertained to psychology than a lay person would. The same is true fo rthe detective. A detective would be interested in "clues" from the environment. Their mind would be drawn to these aspects of the environment and they would be able to describe the environment in more detail later. It is simply because the environment captures their interest and holds their attention. But, I doubt they would be able to tell you about their conversation with another person in the same amount of detail (unless it pertained to the situation and provided more "clues".) It is amazing to us because the environment simply doesn't capture our attention the same way. I'm sure the detective would be amazed at the clarity with which we can recall the things that do capture our attention though. From lauraebarron@hotmail.com Thu Sep 21 16:55:22 2000 From: lauraebarron@hotmail.com (laura barron) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:55:22 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] selective attention Message-ID: from what understood in the lecture about selective attention, the major problem with it is that it doesn't explain how that can be. it suggests that we are only able to focus on one thing at a time, but we can be trained for focus on more than one thing at a time, and pay equal attention to both of them. it doesn't explain how we can know what is going on around us when we are focusing on one thing in particular. there are come holes in the theory, but i suppose that's why it is just a theory. -laura barron From: "Carrie Kwan" Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] selective attention Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 22:58:57 MDT I have a question about selective attention. When we performed the exercises in class that showed us how limited our perceptual scope is, I wondered how that works with say like special agents or detectives. I once heard that when a normal person walk in a room and leave after a little while, that person would have difficulty giving detail descriptions of everything in the room. For example, most people wouldn't be able to tell you what color the vase was, the texture of the curtains, what direction the telephone was facing, if there was a pen on the table, and so on. However, a person after considerable training, would be able to give precise detail of everything in a given setting, even if they were talking to someone or doing something that may require their attention. How does the selective attention theory explain this pheonomenon? Can training compensate for our selective attention limitations? Or does special training simply allow a person to focus object to object at an incredible speed? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From ilikeduplos@hotmail.com Thu Sep 21 19:04:20 2000 From: ilikeduplos@hotmail.com (Erica Fleming) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:04:20 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] attention Message-ID: I think that it totally depends on the task that you are doing on whether or not you can do two or more things at once. For instance if you are talking and walking, usually this is not too difficult. Verses if you were to be writing a paper and listening to punk music, that might be a bit more difficult. Also in class today I enjoyed hearing the lecture on cellular phones and driving. I think that talking on the phone and driving is very dangerous. I know this because I tried it once or twice this summer and I had a lot of trouble trying to focus on the road and the persons conversation. Also, dialing the numbers, remembering the message or a phone number is hard enough to do when your just sitting on your couch. But adding driving to this equation makes it almost impossible for me. I actually get upset when I see other people talking on their cellular phones when they are driving because usually they just end up cutting me off or doing something very choppy and impulsive on the road. It also makes sense that some parents don't allow their teenage kids (who just got their license) to ride around with friends. I think that the friends and that sort of talking and yelling, listening to music can be just as distracting as the phone is. erica _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From ilikeduplos@hotmail.com Thu Sep 21 19:08:45 2000 From: ilikeduplos@hotmail.com (Erica Fleming) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:08:45 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: I agree, I would definitely perk my ears up if I heard someone change their tone of voice from sad to happy or the other way around. erica From: SilAcciardi@aol.com Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 01:58:28 EDT To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] Emotion Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Maybe I just didn't pay enough attention (hee hee) in class today, so tell me if I am being an idiot. Throughout the lecture I couldn't help but wounder if the tone of voice used in the two messages made any difference. For example, if the voice in message one was calm and relaxed and the one in message two sounded distressed and almost on the verge of tears, would that effect the amount of attention paid to either. Maybe I am just a really sensitive person, but I would be more inclined to listen to the person who was upset, even if they were speaking complete nonsense. Any thoughts??????? Silvana Acciardi _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From falsecents@hotmail.com Thu Sep 21 19:10:04 2000 From: falsecents@hotmail.com (F.C.S. S.L.C.) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:10:04 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] subliminal messages Message-ID: >From: "Jeffrey Pixton" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] subliminal messages >Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 08:48:25 -0600 > >During yesterday's lecture which touched on subliminal messaging, I was >reminded of a character on Saturday Night Live who used it in his >skits. I believe it was the newscaster Tom Nealon and as he discussed >the news he would make one-word comments in response to the story and >make it sound like it was part of the news story. Does anyone remember >this? I just thought it was interesting as an exxagerated example of >subliminal messaging. >Natalie Janovak > > > > >********************************* >Get your free E-Mail and Homepage >Go to http://www.networld.com >********************************* > > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 The other day I saw a news program on Fox News Channel. A panel was discussing the "rats" commercial made by the Republicans. There were two psychologists arguing over the effects of subliminal messages on peoples behavior. In classes we have been told that there is minimal effect with the use of subliminal messages, yet this guy named several studies that say the opposite. He was convinced that this commercial would change peoples votes. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Thu Sep 21 19:58:34 2000 From: kgriffin2001@yahoo.com (Karen Griffin) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:58:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] selective attention Message-ID: <20000921185834.2147.qmail@web4901.mail.yahoo.com> From what I understand about selective attention, we filter out those things that we hear and see and only focus on what is important to us. That might be a conversation we're engaged it, or it might be hearing our name at a party (the cocktail party phenomenon). If what we hear or see, as is stated below, is important to us we will focus on it. But I was also thinking about not being able to focus on something because of a distraction. It is so annoying to me when someone talks during a movie. The interesting thing is that I often cannot tell what they're talking about, but I also can't fully concentrate on the movie because they're talking. I'm not sure if the theories would apply to this or not, but it would seem that the volume of the soundtrack and the fact that I want to enjoy the movie would be enough to be able to filter the talking out, but it isn't. Any thoughts? --- M.Burchett@m.cc.utah.edu wrote: > > Quoting Carrie Kwan : > > > I have a question about selective attention. When > we performed the > > exercises > > in class that showed us how limited our perceptual > scope is, I wondered how > > > > that works with say like special agents or > detectives. I once heard that > > when a normal person walk in a room and leave > after a little while, that > > person would have difficulty giving detail > descriptions of everything in > > the > > room. For example, most people wouldn't be able to > tell you what color the > > vase was, the texture of the curtains, what > direction the telephone was > > facing, if there was a pen on the table, and so > on. However, a person after > > > > considerable training, would be able to give > precise detail of everything > > in > > a given setting, even if they were talking to > someone or doing something > > that may require their attention. How does the > selective attention theory > > explain this pheonomenon? Can training compensate > for our selective > > attention limitations? Or does special training > simply allow a person to > > focus object to object at an incredible speed? > > Though I am not familiar with the phenomenon you > describe > here, I believe that detectives are more aware of > their > surroundings than typical people. I think you are > correct about this being due to their special > training in > that area, not to mention their continual practice > in the > field. The section in the book on automaticity > would > explain this in more detail than I would be able to > relate here. > Any of us find certain things more interesting than > > others and are therefore more likely to aattend to > these > things. Our textbook author gives the example of > psychology for himself. Whenever he hears the words > > "psychology" in a conversation, he is likely to > attend to > that conversation. Therefore, he is more likely to > walk > away from that conversation with a more detailed > knowledge of hte parts of the conversation that > pertained > to psychology than a lay person would. The same is > true > fo rthe detective. A detective would be interested > in > "clues" from the environment. Their mind would be > drawn > to these aspects of the environment and they would > be > able to describe the environment in more detail > later. > It is simply because the environment captures their > interest and holds their attention. But, I doubt > they > would be able to tell you about their conversation > with > another person in the same amount of detail (unless > it > pertained to the situation and provided more > "clues".) > It is amazing to us because the environment simply > doesn't capture our attention the same way. I'm > sure the > detective would be amazed at the clarity with which > we > can recall the things that do capture our attention > though. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From klmacurdy@hotmail.com Thu Sep 21 20:11:21 2000 From: klmacurdy@hotmail.com (Karen Macurdy) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:11:21 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] Attention Message-ID: I had the same thought during class today as Silvana when Dr. Strayer said that the "hands free" phones didn't decrease how much people were distracted. If that is the case, then having a conversation with someone who is in the car with you should have the same effect. Yet, it does not seem like it would be very practical to try to dissuade people from carrying on conversations with a passenger while they're driving, and even less practical to try to persuade people not to drive with others in the car. We would have to discourage, rather than encourage, carpooling and such. I have also been guilty of talking on a cell phone while driving. I did notice that it was difficult. However, my greatest difficulty was not having both hands free. My car is a stick shift without power steering, driving is a two-handed job. But I didn't notice much difference between talking to someone sitting next to me and talking on the phone when I was using the "hands free" feature. Anybody else experience this sort of difference? Karen Leishman >From: SilAcciardi@aol.com >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention >Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 01:48:54 EDT > >I am sorry to say that I am one of those dreaded people who occasionally >drives while talking on my cell phone. As far as only being left with one >hand to drive, I am always driving with one hand anyway, with the other >relaxing on the gear shift, so there is no effect on me in that respect. I >have never found it particularly more difficult to focus on driving and I >think that is because I talk in other situations when I am driving as well. >For instance when I have friends in the car, I will engage in conversation >the entire time that I am driving from point A to B. Basically, what I am >trying to say, is that I find it no more distracting being on my cell phone >than I do when there is actually someone in the car with me. The only >problem that I can see is with having to dial the number you are calling >before making a call. That is just what I think. > >Silvana Acciardi > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Thu Sep 21 20:37:51 2000 From: kgriffin2001@yahoo.com (Karen Griffin) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:37:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Music; does it stimulate or limit attention Message-ID: <20000921193751.568.qmail@web4902.mail.yahoo.com> I have often wondered if the left brain / right brain theory comes in to play with what you're talking about. When I'm doing something that is left brain (I think I have this correct)like math, then a distraction, such as music helps. I think this may be because it turns my right brain off, or allows my right brain to focus on the music, and allows me to think more logically with my left brain. It seems that I remember discussing this in another psychology class that you can do this if you listen to music that is familiar. This makes sense given the attention discussion that you can do more than one thing at a time if at least one of the things is more practiced. --- Jeff Widdison wrote: > I have always understood that you are not suppose to > listen to music while > you study because of limited capacity. I absolutely > agree, to a point. > Whenever I am trying to read, write, or analyze a > particular problem, I need > almost complete silence. I've tried with music > before, and I find that I > either concentrate on my studies and next thing I > know, the CD ends, or else > I listen to the music and stay on the same reading > page for 30 minutes. > Now, with other sorts of activities, music almost > inspires me and it > stimulates my capabilities. For example, when I had > a drawing class, I > couldn't do any art, unless I had some headphones > on. Same with > mathematics, I do so much better with music of any > type. Then of course > with athletic performances, such as working out in a > weight room, music is > so much more of an aid, and does not damage any > attention. > My question to this is the following: Instead of > seeing limited capacity as > one big tank that can be filled all at once, can we > seperate it into two > segments? Perhaps left side of brain vs. right > side? Or maybe > comprehensive thinking vs. artistic thinking? I > would predict that our > comprehensive attention would be a lot more limited > than anything else. > Jeff Widdison #00153153 > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Say Bye to Slow Internet! > http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com Thu Sep 21 20:43:22 2000 From: Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com (Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:43:22 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Attention Message-ID: Yes, I find that even with having a conversation in the car with a passenger, I tend to miss the exit we are suppose to get off on, due to focusing on the conversation. My attention is totally selective because I am only focusing on that conversation. Leonard Cancel 00180520 >---------- >From: Karen Macurdy[SMTP:klmacurdy@hotmail.com] >Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 1:11 PM >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention > >I had the same thought during class today as Silvana when Dr. Strayer said >that the "hands free" phones didn't decrease how much people were >distracted. If that is the case, then having a conversation with someone >who is in the car with you should have the same effect. Yet, it does not >seem like it would be very practical to try to dissuade people from carrying >on conversations with a passenger while they're driving, and even less >practical to try to persuade people not to drive with others in the car. We >would have to discourage, rather than encourage, carpooling and such. I >have also been guilty of talking on a cell phone while driving. I did >notice that it was difficult. However, my greatest difficulty was not >having both hands free. My car is a stick shift without power steering, >driving is a two-handed job. But I didn't notice much difference between >talking to someone sitting next to me and talking on the phone when I was >using the "hands free" feature. Anybody else experience this sort of >difference? > >Karen Leishman > > >>From: SilAcciardi@aol.com >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention >>Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 01:48:54 EDT >> >>I am sorry to say that I am one of those dreaded people who occasionally >>drives while talking on my cell phone. As far as only being left with one >>hand to drive, I am always driving with one hand anyway, with the other >>relaxing on the gear shift, so there is no effect on me in that respect. I >>have never found it particularly more difficult to focus on driving and I >>think that is because I talk in other situations when I am driving as well. >>For instance when I have friends in the car, I will engage in conversation >>the entire time that I am driving from point A to B. Basically, what I am >>trying to say, is that I find it no more distracting being on my cell phone >>than I do when there is actually someone in the car with me. The only >>problem that I can see is with having to dial the number you are calling >>before making a call. That is just what I think. >> >>Silvana Acciardi >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Psych3120 mailing list >>Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From yellekb@yahoo.com Thu Sep 21 20:44:51 2000 From: yellekb@yahoo.com (kelly stucki) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:44:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Re: Male Attention Message-ID: <20000921194451.5834.qmail@web112.yahoomail.com> I know that when i am talking on a phone to a guy that is watching the TV, i am basically talking to myself. I don't know if it is just males, but i know that i have trouble paying attention to someone when I am watching a show that i am interested in. That is why i get so frustrated when i talk to a guy and he is paying attention to the tv and not to me. because i know that if i can't pay attention to both, than i know that he can't. kelly stucki #0065165 --- matt garff wrote: > Actually, I have a hard time listening to the TV and > talking on the phone at > the same time. If I turn the TV down, I do ok, but > I can't speak for all > men. > > MATT GARFF 00144838 > > > >From: CatherineW123@aol.com > >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Re: Male Attention > >Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:27:11 EDT > > > > In the study I saw it said that males have a > hard time watching TV and > >talking on the phone at once or playing Playstation > and talking on the > >phone. > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Psych3120 mailing list > >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own > public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 ===== STUCKI POWER!!!!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com Thu Sep 21 20:53:59 2000 From: Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com (Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:53:59 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] selective attention Message-ID: I find that I do this all the time. I am a customer service trainer at a call center. I find that when I am on the phone dealing with a particular situation, I can filter out other conversations, but when I hear something being said incorrectly, I can hear it clearly. Yes, I do filter what the person on the phone was saying to me (I don't recall the last thing they said) and focus on the the other conversation. My position has forced me to train myself to listen and filter noise in matter of seconds thoughtout my shift. Yet, having a conversation in a car with a passenger makes me (not all the time) miss an exit? Leonard Cancel #00180520 >---------- >From: Karen Griffin[SMTP:kgriffin2001@yahoo.com] >Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 12:58 PM >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] selective attention > >From what I understand about selective attention, we >filter out those things that we hear and see and only >focus on what is important to us. That might be a >conversation we're engaged it, or it might be hearing >our name at a party (the cocktail party phenomenon). >If what we hear or see, as is stated below, is >important to us we will focus on it. > >But I was also thinking about not being able to focus >on something because of a distraction. It is so >annoying to me when someone talks during a movie. The >interesting thing is that I often cannot tell what >they're talking about, but I also can't fully >concentrate on the movie because they're talking. I'm >not sure if the theories would apply to this or not, >but it would seem that the volume of the soundtrack >and the fact that I want to enjoy the movie would be >enough to be able to filter the talking out, but it >isn't. Any thoughts? >--- M.Burchett@m.cc.utah.edu wrote: >> >> Quoting Carrie Kwan : >> >> > I have a question about selective attention. When >> we performed the >> > exercises >> > in class that showed us how limited our perceptual >> scope is, I wondered how >> > >> > that works with say like special agents or >> detectives. I once heard that >> > when a normal person walk in a room and leave >> after a little while, that >> > person would have difficulty giving detail >> descriptions of everything in >> > the >> > room. For example, most people wouldn't be able to >> tell you what color the >> > vase was, the texture of the curtains, what >> direction the telephone was >> > facing, if there was a pen on the table, and so >> on. However, a person after >> > >> > considerable training, would be able to give >> precise detail of everything >> > in >> > a given setting, even if they were talking to >> someone or doing something >> > that may require their attention. How does the >> selective attention theory >> > explain this pheonomenon? Can training compensate >> for our selective >> > attention limitations? Or does special training >> simply allow a person to >> > focus object to object at an incredible speed? >> >> Though I am not familiar with the phenomenon you >> describe >> here, I believe that detectives are more aware of >> their >> surroundings than typical people. I think you are >> correct about this being due to their special >> training in >> that area, not to mention their continual practice >> in the >> field. The section in the book on automaticity >> would >> explain this in more detail than I would be able to >> relate here. >> Any of us find certain things more interesting than >> >> others and are therefore more likely to aattend to >> these >> things. Our textbook author gives the example of >> psychology for himself. Whenever he hears the words >> >> "psychology" in a conversation, he is likely to >> attend to >> that conversation. Therefore, he is more likely to >> walk >> away from that conversation with a more detailed >> knowledge of hte parts of the conversation that >> pertained >> to psychology than a lay person would. The same is >> true >> fo rthe detective. A detective would be interested >> in >> "clues" from the environment. Their mind would be >> drawn >> to these aspects of the environment and they would >> be >> able to describe the environment in more detail >> later. >> It is simply because the environment captures their >> interest and holds their attention. But, I doubt >> they >> would be able to tell you about their conversation >> with >> another person in the same amount of detail (unless >> it >> pertained to the situation and provided more >> "clues".) >> It is amazing to us because the environment simply >> doesn't capture our attention the same way. I'm >> sure the >> detective would be amazed at the clarity with which >> we >> can recall the things that do capture our attention >> though. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Psych3120 mailing list >> Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >> http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com/ > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From garffdog@hotmail.com Thu Sep 21 20:51:24 2000 From: garffdog@hotmail.com (matt garff) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:51:24 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Attention Message-ID: I asked Dr Strayer about this after class. Basically he said that when someone is in the car, they are aware of the Driving conditions and variables(red lights, cars cutting you off) so the conversation waxes and wanes by both parties because of that, allowing the driver to focus on things other than the conversation. With a cell phone, the other person is not aware of those things, and therefore, the driver has to use more of their attentional capacity to carry on a cell phone conversation, leaving less for driving. MATT GARFF 00144838 >From: "Karen Macurdy" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention >Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:11:21 GMT > >I had the same thought during class today as Silvana when Dr. Strayer said >that the "hands free" phones didn't decrease how much people were >distracted. If that is the case, then having a conversation with someone >who is in the car with you should have the same effect. Yet, it does not >seem like it would be very practical to try to dissuade people from >carrying >on conversations with a passenger while they're driving, and even less >practical to try to persuade people not to drive with others in the car. >We >would have to discourage, rather than encourage, carpooling and such. I >have also been guilty of talking on a cell phone while driving. I did >notice that it was difficult. However, my greatest difficulty was not >having both hands free. My car is a stick shift without power steering, >driving is a two-handed job. But I didn't notice much difference between >talking to someone sitting next to me and talking on the phone when I was >using the "hands free" feature. Anybody else experience this sort of >difference? > >Karen Leishman > > >>From: SilAcciardi@aol.com >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention >>Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 01:48:54 EDT >> >>I am sorry to say that I am one of those dreaded people who occasionally >>drives while talking on my cell phone. As far as only being left with one >>hand to drive, I am always driving with one hand anyway, with the other >>relaxing on the gear shift, so there is no effect on me in that respect. >>I >>have never found it particularly more difficult to focus on driving and I >>think that is because I talk in other situations when I am driving as >>well. >>For instance when I have friends in the car, I will engage in conversation >>the entire time that I am driving from point A to B. Basically, what I am >>trying to say, is that I find it no more distracting being on my cell >>phone >>than I do when there is actually someone in the car with me. The only >>problem that I can see is with having to dial the number you are calling >>before making a call. That is just what I think. >> >>Silvana Acciardi >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Psych3120 mailing list >>Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Thu Sep 21 21:01:50 2000 From: kgriffin2001@yahoo.com (Karen Griffin) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:01:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Attention Message-ID: <20000921200150.20425.qmail@web4904.mail.yahoo.com> I based my earlier comment on remembering that a co-worker got a ticket from an accident even though he didn't cause the accident. I thought I had been told that the ticket was for not paying complete attention. So, today I called the Highway Patrol just to clarify this and what you've said is correct. If they don't know that something else was going on, you won't get a ticket. I was also told that if what you are doing is not against the law, i.e., eating in the car, then you won't get a ticket. However, if what you are doing contributes to the accident, and/or is against the law (i.e., speeding) then you may get ticketed. The officer I spoke with gave me two examples. A few years ago there was a major accident caused when a young woman was fooling with her handbag on the floor. She was speeding and changing lanes and ran under a semi-truck. She was ticketed for causing the accident. She had also admitted that she was distracted by trying to get in her purse, so they knew that was what had happened. The officer also told me about someone that he arrested a few weeks ago who was swerving into another lane and traveling at a high rate of speed and when this person passed the trooper he saw that the driver was reading a book. He pulled him over and charged him with reckless driving. So, a long way around to say that my memory was faulty (I wasn't even an eyewitness!). There must have been something illegal that my friend was doing to get a ticket for an accident that he didn't cause. Sorry for the bad info! Karen G. --- Kelly Symes wrote: > This is in reguards to Karen's comment, How do the > police know if someone is doing something else when > the accident happened? > --- Karen Griffin wrote: > > I have heard that if you are doing something other > > than watching the road and you get in an accident, > > you > > will get a ticket, even if the accident was the > > fault > > of the other driver. So, from the way I > understand > > it, if you get hit by another car, but you were > > putting on makeup (lipstick), fooling with the > > radio, > > had your cell phone out, eating, etc., you would > get > > some sort of ticket - not necessarily the ticket > for > > causing the accident, but I guess the thought is > > that > > you could have avoided the accident if you had > been > > paying complete attention. > > > > I was also thinking about smokers - their car > > insurance premiums are higher. I assume this is > not > > because of any risk of lung cancer, but that > > lighting > > a cigarette, or putting one out could be a > > distraction. There may be statistics to support > > this. > > I'm not a smoker, so I've never checked into it, > > but > > I've always thought it was interesting. > > > > Karen Griffin > > --- "Richardson, Tim" > > wrote: > > > I have done that same thing except the scary > part > > is > > > that I went through the > > > light and then a few hundred feet down the road > I > > > don't have any > > > recollection of the light being green or any > > color. > > > I hope that checking > > > the light is such a mundane thing that I don't > > spend > > > much time thinking > > > about it, I just check it and go... > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Jon Lallatin [mailto:jlallatin@yahoo.com] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 9:04 AM > > > To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > Subject: Re: Re: [Psych3120] Attention > > > > > > This ha happened to me too. I will be driving > and > > > come to a stop light. Before I know it I > > amdriving > > > down the road but i don't remember the light > > turning > > > green. > > > > > > --- Rachel Norris > > wrote: > > > > I do think that doing any other task while > > driving > > > > is very > > > > dangerous. I notice that if I try to eat my > > > > breakfast > > > > while driving to school, I don't pay very good > > > > attention to > > > > the road and I'm more careless. Like someone > > else > > > > > > > mentioned, all of the sudden I'm to my > > destination > > > > and I > > > > have no idea how I got there. Very scary. > > > > > > > > > I have a question about driving and talking > on > > > > cell > > > > phones and maybe > > > > > Dr.Strayer will answer it later on, but I > > > wondered > > > > if > > > > anyone had any ideas > > > > > in the meantime. I'm not saying that it's > > good > > > or > > > > bad to > > > > talk and drive, > > > > > and I realize that it could distract people > > > while > > > > driving > > > > by switching their > > > > > attention and furthermore, you would only > have > > > one > > > > free > > > > hand. However, is > > > > > talking on a cell phone while driving that > > much > > > > different > > > > than eating while > > > > > driving or doing related things? If not, > then > > > > where do > > > > you draw the line? > > > > > What about switching radio stations, or > trying > > > to > > > > find > > > > something in the car? > > > > > If anyone has any thoughts, please let me > > > know. > > > > > > > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > > > >From: "matt garff" > > > > > >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > > > >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > > > >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention > > > > > >Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:05:59 MDT > > > > > > > > > > > >I read in our text today something that is > > > > related to > > > > the following > > > > > >comment. > > > > > > On pages 82-83, it talks about people > that > > > had > > > > read > > > > stories and also > > > > > >listen to a tape recorder and write down > the > > > > words that > > > > they hear. This > > > > > >would be impossible for me, I'm myopic as > > hell, > > > > but it > > > > said that with > > > > > >massive practice, the individuals could > > > actually > > > > do both > > > > write the words > > > > > >and > > > > > >read at normal rates with high > comprehension. > > > > > So > > > > I > > > > figure that the > > > > > >differences between women and men in the > > > ability > > > > to do > > > > more than one task > > > > > >is > > > > > >primarily because of practice. As for the > > cell > > > > phone > > > > and driving, I'm not > > > > > >so sure. I always get uneasy when I'm > notice > > > > someone > > > > driving and talking > > > > > >on > > > > > >a cell. > > > > > > > > > > > >MATT GARFF > > > > > >>From: Kelly Symes > > > > > >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > > > >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > > > >>Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention > > > > > >>Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 07:07:01 -0700 > (PDT) > > > > > >> > > > > > >>I don't feel that it is very hard to do > most > > > > things at > > > > > >>once. I am horrible for this. It may just > > be > > > > the ADHD > > > > > >>coming out, but I would rather do more > than > > > one > > > > thing > > > > > >>at once. It keeps my mind focused on the > > > things > > > > I am > > > > > >>doing as opposed to leaving all the time. > I > > > > almost > > > > > >>have to have the TV on or talk to someone > on > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From candyphi@hotmail.com Thu Sep 21 21:12:37 2000 From: candyphi@hotmail.com (candyphi nguyen) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:12:37 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] STUDY GUIDE 1 Message-ID: I'm passing this around so everyone will have a chance to fill in the answer. Just put down what you know and we will have the complete information for the up comming test. I already answer #5, please read the answer and add on to it if you see anything's missng. Thank you! Study Guide I The study questions below constitute a subset of the information which is required for the first exam. Four of these questions will appear as "short answer" questions on the exam (you can use up to one full page for each answer). Many of the questions have multiple parts -- make sure you read and answer all parts of each question. Be advised that advanced preparation will facilitate your performance on the exam. Feel free to work with others on your answers (including the class message board). 1.A yellow butterfly swoops past the left side of your head and lands on a green plant in front of you. Describe in detail how this information is processed by the visual system. 2.Discuss the importance of Gestalt organizational principles in perception. Why are these ideas important? 3.The perception of depth is important for navigation in the world. Describe the sources of information which aid in depth perception. 4.What are constancies and illusions. Why are they important and what do they tell us about perception? 5.Briefly describe the two theories of color vision. How do they account for the perception of color? Answer: 1)Trichromatic theory (Young-Helmholtz) Cones = color vision Three types of cones All cones are active but to different levels (more sensetive to different wavelengths) Blue cone : short wavelength, green cone: medium wave length, red cone: long wave length. EX: high active in blue: minimum in green and red Purple: high active in blue, minimum in green, high in red 2)Opponent process theory "lateral nucleus" higher level than cone. Between green-red, when red shine will increase activity and when green shine, decrease activity. Between Blue-Yellow, blue shine will increase activity and yellow will decrease activity. From that point, we can see that red will pair with blue and green pair with yellow. 6.Briefly describe Selfridge's pandemonium model of pattern recognition. How does the model account for the difference in visual search performance Neisser observed when subjects search for a curved target a) in a field of curved distractors or b) in a field of angular distractors? 7.Explain the difference between data-driven (or bottom-up) processing and conceptually driven (or top-down) processing. Describe the role each plays in processing a) novel information and b) familiar information. 8.Contrast the symptoms of apperceptive agnosia and associative agnosia. What seems to be the major problem in each, and how might you test whether a person as one or the other? 9.Describe the difference between selective and divided attention. Provide a description of how these two forms of attention are studied and provide a real-world example of each. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Masterit77@cs.com Thu Sep 21 21:45:57 2000 From: Masterit77@cs.com (Masterit77@cs.com) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:45:57 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] cell phone driving Message-ID: <42.afb4549.26fbcd85@cs.com> I try not to talk on the phone when I am driving, but when I do I have big problems shifting, turning down the radio, and rolling up the windows. It seems to me that doing these things while talking on the phone might be a little more distracting than the conversation itlelf. From CatherineW123@aol.com Thu Sep 21 22:18:46 2000 From: CatherineW123@aol.com (CatherineW123@aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:18:46 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] attention Message-ID: <5f.ab74971.26fbd536@aol.com> I totally agree with you about how distracting cell phones can be! I don't think that people who are talking on them realize how badly they are driving. When he compared talking on a cell phone to driving drunk that amazed me. From tarahdavis@yahoo.com Fri Sep 22 00:33:50 2000 From: tarahdavis@yahoo.com (Tarah davis) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:33:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Cell phones..... Message-ID: <20000921233350.21064.qmail@web1002.mail.yahoo.com> Nothing irritates me more than......people that have loud conversations on their cell phones to make sure everyone can hear them, cell phones ringing during class, people driving and talking on their cell phone, and most of all people having two conversations, with someone in person and with someone on their phone. Anyway, there are good reasons to have cell phones (emergencies), but I think the use of cell phones has gone way too far. For those of you that think cell phones don't interfere with your driving, I found a web site for you (and anyone else). Type in http://www.insweb.com/learningcenter/specialreports/default.htm I know, I know, it is a long address. Open the link titled "Cell Phones and Driving: A Deadly Mix?" and read away. There are tips on how to "minimize" your risks while talking on a cell phone and driving (is that possible?!) and you can even take a customized test to see how your driving may be affected while talking on a cell phone. Fun!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From sweetfogs@hotmail.com Fri Sep 22 01:59:29 2000 From: sweetfogs@hotmail.com (Jaimie Cogswell) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:59:29 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] attention Message-ID: Comparing driving while talking on a cell phone with driving drunk brought to mind a segment I saw on one of those tv magazine programs. They did a study to compare the effects of driving drunk to driving tired. The drivers who were tired actually did worse than the drunk drivers. (of course it all depends on how much alcohol was consumed and how much sleep was deprived etc.) But the point is, is that driving becomes so automatic sometimes that people forget that it requires our full attention. No alcohol, no cell phones, no sleepiness. Life is precious and why increase our chances of mortality by engaging in one of these activities while driving? It's not worth it. Driving needs our full attention, period. ----Original Message Follows---- From: CatherineW123@aol.com Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: Re: [Psych3120] attention Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:18:46 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [128.110.112.11] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBB93C66D00AC40042A1B806E700B85E41; Thu Sep 21 14:19:56 2000 Received: from lists (localhost [127.0.0.1])by jafo.csbs.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17162;Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:16:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.6])by jafo.csbs.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17134for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:16:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CatherineW123@aol.comby imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id a.5f.ab74971 (5727) for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:18:46 -0400 (EDT) From Ryanjg76@cs.com Fri Sep 22 02:04:00 2000 From: Ryanjg76@cs.com (Ryanjg76@cs.com) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:04:00 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] STUDY GUIDE 1 Message-ID: <84.b0c4e48.26fc0a00@cs.com> Thank you for the tips on number 5. Here is the answer I came up with for number 6. If I left anything out, please add on. Selfridge's pandemonium model contains four different stages, each stage is represented by a type of demon. The first stage is called "image demons" where an image is encoded and passed onto the next level. Level two is called "feature demons" where there is one feature demon for each simple feature that can be contained in a letter....one for a vertical line, one for horizontal bar, etc. Feature demons compare itself to the image that was forwarded to it. If it matches, it shouts. The better the match, the louder the shouting. Cognitive demons (third level) are in charge of listening to all the shouting. There is one demon for a capital G, one for capital H, etc. Since these demons only have one pattern they are responsible for, that is the only patter they listen for. For example the capital H demon listens for shouting that deals with horizontal and vertical bars. When Demon "H" hears these shouts it begins to shout too, but very loud. The fourth level is the decision demon who listens to the loudest shouts from a cognitive demon, and decides that it is a perfect match based on the evidence "heard" from the lowest to the highest levels. When compared to Neisser's study, it was difficult to find the curved target in a field of curved distracters because there were a lot a demons shouting. So it took longer to find the "match." When the curved target was in a field of angular distracters, there was almost no shouting except for the demons who matched the curved target. So finding the target was much easier. Ryan G. From sweetfogs@hotmail.com Fri Sep 22 02:13:24 2000 From: sweetfogs@hotmail.com (Jaimie Cogswell) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 01:13:24 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] depth perception Message-ID: I have a friend who mountain bikes. Last summer she rode with perscription sunglasses. This summer she rode with contacts and bike goggles, because she said the goggles stay on better. Well, she also complained that it seemed like she has been having poor depth perception because she'd be cruising on her bike and misjudge a bump, dip, turn in the path and she'd wreck. It has discouraged her and she kind of said down heartedly that she wasn't going to ride for the rest of the season because she'd taked so many falls. That puts into perspective how important depth perception is and how it affects day to day life. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "alanna wilson" Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] depth perception Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:45:12 MDT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [38.27.95.92] Received: from [128.110.112.11] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBB926CFC0036D82197EC806E700BF84E1; Wed Sep 20 13:46:29 2000 Received: from lists (localhost [127.0.0.1])by jafo.csbs.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19664;Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:43:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f217.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.217])by jafo.csbs.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19634for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:42:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:45:12 -0700 Received: from 38.27.95.92 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:45:12 GMT From alexispaulos@hotmail.com Fri Sep 22 02:35:15 2000 From: alexispaulos@hotmail.com (Alexis Paulos) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:35:15 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Attention Message-ID: >From: SilAcciardi@aol.com >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Attention >Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 01:48:54 EDT > >I am sorry to say that I am one of those dreaded people who occasionally >drives while talking on my cell phone. As far as only being left with one >hand to drive, I am always driving with one hand anyway, with the other >relaxing on the gear shift, so there is no effect on me in that respect. I >have never found it particularly more difficult to focus on driving and I >think that is because I talk in other situations when I am driving as well. >For instance when I have friends in the car, I will engage in conversation >the entire time that I am driving from point A to B. Basically, what I am >trying to say, is that I find it no more distracting being on my cell phone >than I do when there is actually someone in the car with me. The only >problem that I can see is with having to dial the number you are calling >before making a call. That is just what I think. > >Silvana Acciardi > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 I also am a cell phone person, but I can say that cell phones are about the most horrible thing ever. I try not to use mine when I drive because I can tell I don't pay as much attention to details on the road. after class today I talked on my cell phone while I was driving and after I tried to imagine if a dog ran out into the road if I would have seen it. My answer was no. I just think it lowers everyone's ability to be aggressive drivers or if you are paying attention to driving then you're probably not a good conversationalist. Also I've noticed that when girls have a conversation with someone in the car they spend more time looking at the person that at the road. That really scares me! I don't understand why when someone's in the car and you are having a conversation it does not seem as hard to drive, yet the cell phone seems hard? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From mikebaker13@yahoo.com Fri Sep 22 03:00:56 2000 From: mikebaker13@yahoo.com (Mike Baker) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:00:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Test Anxiety?? Message-ID: <20000922020056.19910.qmail@web1606.mail.yahoo.com> Is anyone else with me and the few peopel taht I have talked to that this test coming up deserves some serious attention. We have discussed the mechanisms of the eyes, how color works, illusions and many other things. How detailed do we need to get in our answers? The study guide that we received was a help but what about the multiple choice section. Does anyone have any ideas. I am very interested in this subject and I can see where it can be applied in life, I just need a bit of help getting ready for the test? Good luck everyone!!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Fri Sep 22 04:30:39 2000 From: kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu (Kristin Ward) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:30:39 -700 Subject: [Psych3120] Review Session - LOCATION! Message-ID: <200009220230.UAA16201@meretrix.csbs.utah.edu> Hi everyone, I have just received the room assignments for the review session. The first review will be on Friday (9/22) at 5:00. It will be held in Beh. Sci Room 101 (The behavioral science building is the big, tall, ugly building across from the social work building) The second review will be on Monday (9/25) at 1:30. It will be held in Beh. Sci rm. 114). These reviews will cover essentially the same material. I am running two sessions so that more people will be able to attend a review. These are not mandatory and attendance will not be taken, but hopefully these reviews will help you to better understand the material that will be on the test. Again, the times and locations are: Fri. 9/22 5:00 Beh. Sci Rm. 101 Mon. 9/25 1:20 Beh. Sci Rm. 114 Kristin From SilAcciardi@aol.com Fri Sep 22 04:17:07 2000 From: SilAcciardi@aol.com (SilAcciardi@aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 23:17:07 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] Smoking Attention Message-ID: <61.755c3c9.26fc2933@aol.com> I second the motion about smoking while driving. I am a smoker as well and I have no trouble at all lighing a cigarette while I have my eyes on the road. I don't even have to look at the cigarette. That probably says something sad about how much I smoke. Needless to say, there is no break in my concentration on the road at any time when I am smoking. I also do not pay a higher insurance premium either and I was unaware that other people might. Silvana Acciardi From jjfoust@ix.netcom.com Fri Sep 22 05:24:01 2000 From: jjfoust@ix.netcom.com (Jaime C. Foust) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:24:01 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Yet more on cell phones... Message-ID: <39CADEE1.629A5B67@ix.netcom.com> This topic has been beaten to death, but I decided to put my 2 cents in anyway. I will admit I have a cell phone, and frequently I talk on it while driving. And I am not saying that my driving may not be suffering as a result, however, I have noticed that I pay more attention to my driving then the phone conversation. I find myself asking the person to repeat something they said, or even just saying the basis "uh huh" even though I have no idea what they said. I recently got a new cell phone for work, and it has a speaker phone button on the phone. If I put a call on speaker, I can lay my phone down next to me on the seat and carry on a conversation without having to hold the phone. I have found this does help me pay more attention to the road. In class today, Dr. Strayer said that even a hands free function does not improve driving, I would like to know how this differs from a conversation with a passenger in the car? I see it as virtually the same thing. From sailoruranus@altavista.net Fri Sep 22 07:01:22 2000 From: sailoruranus@altavista.net (sailoruranus@altavista.net) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 02:01:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: <0009220201228R.11671@weba3.iname.net> I don't know your name, but this is directed to the person who feels it is his responsibility to interrupt the professor every three minutes to offer his inane observations on unrelated topics: SHUT THE HELL UP!! YOU ARE WASTING MY CLASS TIME, AND YOU HAVE NOTHING RELEVANT OR INTERESTING TO ADD! YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE, YOU ARE THE MALE WHO ALWAYS SITS IN THE MIDDLE SECTION, IN THE SECOND ROW, TOWARDS THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. YOU ARE PISSING ME AND EVERYBODY ELSE OFF. DO YOU HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO THAN TO TRY (UNSUCCESSFULLY) TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK MORE INTELLIGENT? SHUT YOUR MOUTH AND STOP WASTING MY TIME. IF THIS CONTINUES, I WILL PETITION THE CLASS TO HAVE YOU REMOVED FOR DISRUPTING THE LECTURES. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Get your free email from AltaVista at http://altavista.iname.com From ham070@hotmail.com Fri Sep 22 07:02:15 2000 From: ham070@hotmail.com (amber kresser) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:02:15 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Test Anxiety?? Message-ID: i totally agree. the online readings were so huge and covered a lot of material, i took notes while reading but i dont want to waste my time reading over notes i dont need. we have covered a lot of info and i really hope we narrow in on some of what we need to know for the test. if anyone has any advice i will gladly take it. good luck everyone. >From: Mike Baker >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] Test Anxiety?? >Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:00:56 -0700 (PDT) > >Is anyone else with me and the few peopel taht I have >talked to that this test coming up deserves some >serious attention. We have discussed the mechanisms of >the eyes, how color works, illusions and many other >things. How detailed do we need to get in our answers? >The study guide that we received was a help but what >about the multiple choice section. Does anyone have >any ideas. >I am very interested in this subject and I can see >where it can be applied in life, I just need a bit of >help getting ready for the test? Good luck everyone!!! > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com/ > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From sailoruranus@altavista.net Fri Sep 22 07:08:08 2000 From: sailoruranus@altavista.net (sailoruranus@altavista.net) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 02:08:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Psych3120] cell phones Message-ID: <000922020808EG.08602@weba6.iname.net> Along the lines of what was discussed today in class, I have a personal note to add. I was slammed into by somebody talking on a cell phone on Monday night. I was very lucky. Because he had directed his attention to the oh-so-important conversation on his portable carcinogen box, he hit me full force, and drove me into the car in front of me. The only part of the car that wasn't completely (and I stress the word very strongly) mangled and twisted was the drivers seat. If there had been anybody else in my car, they would be dead now, and given the circumstances, I should be too. People are not capable of dividing their attention when one of the tasks is as important as driving a car. It is foolish to believe that you can, and anyone who says otherwise is deluding himself. We've all seen those people blabbering away while they swerve in and out of their lane, and do their best to wreak havoc with other drivers. I laude our professor for acknowledging that cell phones an! d driving are dangerous. Aaron Davies ---------------------------------------------------------------- Get your free email from AltaVista at http://altavista.iname.com From sweetfogs@hotmail.com Fri Sep 22 07:48:07 2000 From: sweetfogs@hotmail.com (Jaimie Cogswell) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 06:48:07 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] class disruption Message-ID: Whoever wrote this: I don't know your name, but this is directed to the person who feels it is his responsibility to interrupt the professor every three minutes to offer his inane observations on unrelated topics: SHUT THE HELL UP!! YOU ARE WASTING MY CLASS TIME, AND YOU HAVE NOTHING RELEVANT OR INTERESTING TO ADD! YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE, YOU ARE THE MALE WHO ALWAYS SITS IN THE MIDDLE SECTION, IN THE SECOND ROW, TOWARDS THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. YOU ARE PISSING ME AND EVERYBODY ELSE OFF. DO YOU HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO THAN TO TRY (UNSUCCESSFULLY) TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK MORE INTELLIGENT? SHUT YOUR MOUTH AND STOP WASTING MY TIME. IF THIS CONTINUES, I WILL PETITION THE CLASS TO HAVE YOU REMOVED FOR DISRUPTING THE LECTURES. I found it very interesting. In fact, I was talking to my mother this very evening about the same thing, except in regards to another class. I was ranting and raving how I can't stand how people ask dumb questions, statements that seem to have no point, or talk about personal issues during class and how i feel that it wastes class time and frustrates me a helluva lot. And with a little bit of motherly advice and a tip I got from a friend I've come to two conclusions. 1) My mother pointed out to me that people learn in different ways and of course there is no dumb question no matter how irritated I get with the imbicility that I tend to hear in class from time to time. I am a psychology student and must learn the art of patience and grasp onto that with all of my might. Why else am I in this major? I want to understand people and behavior. This requires patience. Because not all people and their behaviors are lovely. And I'm not necessarily trying to stick up for those un-named annoyances, but I'm just trying to not let it bother me so much and just work on patience since it is definitely a skill I need to aquire. So, I see them as a test of patience. (trying to find the positive side of everything, the key word here is "trying") 2) For those of you who like to speak alot in class, a friend once told me that she saves all of her comments and questions for the TA/professor's office hours to speak to them about her thoughts, that way she doesn't waste class time and she starts building a relationship with these key figures, they start to remember her and then all of a sudden she has another reference for grad school. Everyone wins. RAH!!! So, I hope that these words might help out the situation a little bit and everyone can enjoy class a little more. Thanks. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kvrennie@hotmail.com Fri Sep 22 15:45:05 2000 From: kvrennie@hotmail.com (Kelly Rennie) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 08:45:05 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Re: Male Attention Message-ID: I have the same problem with cell phones and driving. I don't know about other females, but when I am on the cell phone, I can't remember what was happening while I was driving, other than I didn't get into an accident, and I don't think I have ever caused an accident. But sometimes I find myself wondering if the lights were green or not. Kelly >From: Thurie@aol.com >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] Re: Male Attention >Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:32:29 EDT > > When we say that boys can't do two tasks at once what are we talking >about. Not like chewing gum and walking at the same time, right? I >personally >think that I can do two things at once. I can read and listen to music at >the >same time and stuff like that. Can anyone give me some examples of tasks >that >would be considered hard for a male to both at the same time? Also, I have >noticed that when I am talking on my cell phone while I 'm driving, time >seems to go by much faster. All of a sudden I am at the place I was driving >to and can't really remember how I got their or anything about the drive. >So >do females do better talking on phones and driving than males do? I have >never crashed or anything close to that, so obviously I am paying pretty >good >attention to the road, maybe more subconsciously than normal though. > Clinton > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kvrennie@hotmail.com Fri Sep 22 15:59:59 2000 From: kvrennie@hotmail.com (Kelly Rennie) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 08:59:59 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Attention Message-ID: I would have a tendancy to agree with the idea that personalities affect attention My husband and I are the same way- I am an uptight type A who needs to be doing something to relieve the anxiety. However, my father-in-law is also a type A personality, very high stressed, and he can't focus his attention on more than one thing at a time. He does know that there is something else he needs to focus on AFTER he is done with the task at hand, which is more then I can say for my husband. Perhaps he is not as much of a type A as I am. Also, here is something to ponder. My father-in-law was raised in Ireland and the moved to South Africa, where my husband was raised. Both of them lived through extremely violent times, to the point that there was so many gun shot outside their homes that they became "immune" to the noise and were able to ignore it. Does anyone have any ideas on how someone becomes immune to such a life threatening situation? Kelly >From: "Kelly R. Sheffield" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: >Subject: [Psych3120] Attention >Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:35:10 -0600 > > I just wanted to comment on the discussion that's been going on about >the difference in the way that males and females direct their attention. I >don't know if I support the idea that women are more likely to split their >attention between multiple tasks. I think that one indicator of whether a >person will multi-task or not is certainly their personality type. I, for >example, am kind of a type "A" personality. I tend to get stressed easily >and I'm always thinking about what I need to get done or should be doing. >FOr this reason, I can usually be found doing multiple things at once. If >I talk on the phone, I'm always doing something else at the same time, like >cleaning my house or folding laundry, etc. On the other hand, my husband >is a very calm and relaxed person. He is more likely to concentrate on >doing one thing at a time. So, I'd be interested to know whether some of >you think this is a gender difference or a personality difference that can >explain our behaviors. > >-Liz Gardner _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From salari_ali@hotmail.com Fri Sep 22 16:08:41 2000 From: salari_ali@hotmail.com (Ali Salari) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 09:08:41 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Cell Phones Message-ID: I don't understand this cell phone issue. When I had a cell phone and pager I was being harrassed 24-7 by friends. I had no time for myself. Why has it become so important to be talking to people all of the time. My life must be incredibly dull because I don't have that much to say to so many people. It is common sense that talking on a cell phone and driving is dangerous, but people are willing to put their lives and others lives in danger to engage in superficial banter with their friends. This behavior alone justifies a psychological study to determine why people would endanger their lives so they can be accessible 24 hours a day. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com Fri Sep 22 17:09:16 2000 From: Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com (Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:09:16 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Review Session - LOCATION! Message-ID: Kristin, I work til 5pm today and won't probably get there til 5:30pm. How long are you looking at being there? Leonard Cancel >---------- >From: Kristin Ward[SMTP:kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu] >Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 2:30 PM >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] Review Session - LOCATION! > >Hi everyone, > >I have just received the room assignments for the review session. The first >review will be on Friday (9/22) at 5:00. It will be held in Beh. Sci Room >101 (The behavioral science building is the big, tall, ugly building across >from the social work building) > >The second review will be on Monday (9/25) at 1:30. It will be held in Beh. >Sci rm. 114). > >These reviews will cover essentially the same material. I am running two >sessions so that more people will be able to attend a review. These are not >mandatory and attendance will not be taken, but hopefully these reviews will >help you to better understand the material that will be on the test. > >Again, the times and locations are: > >Fri. 9/22 5:00 Beh. Sci Rm. 101 >Mon. 9/25 1:20 Beh. Sci Rm. 114 > >Kristin > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From jpix@networld.com Fri Sep 22 17:20:49 2000 From: jpix@networld.com (Jeffrey Pixton) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:20:49 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Yet more on cell phones... In-Reply-To: <39CADEE1.629A5B67@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <200009221621.KAA07880@jafo.csbs.utah.edu> In regards to your question, I don't blieve that there would be much of a difference between a phone conversation and a passanger conversation. I think that the attention that any conversation takes away from the road will affect your performance. I was reminded of a time when I was downtown with my sister and we got in an arguement. The entire drive home to Sandy was filled with bantering back and forth. I did not realize that I did not remember a thing about the drive home until I pulled into the driveway and finally stopped talking and started to relax. Pretty frightening, considering how many people you see on the road screaming at each other! Natalie Janovak -----Original Message----- From: "Jaime C. Foust" To: "Class Message Board (Psychology)" Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:24:01 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Yet more on cell phones... >This topic has been beaten to death, but I decided to put my 2 cents >in >anyway. I will admit I have a cell phone, and frequently I talk on it >while driving. And I am not saying that my driving may not be >suffering >as a result, however, I have noticed that I pay more attention to my >driving then the phone conversation. I find myself asking the person >to >repeat something they said, or even just saying the basis "uh huh" >even >though I have no idea what they said. I recently got a new cell phone >for work, and it has a speaker phone button on the phone. If I put a >call on speaker, I can lay my phone down next to me on the seat and >carry on a conversation without having to hold the phone. I have >found >this does help me pay more attention to the road. In class today, Dr. >Strayer said that even a hands free function does not improve driving, >I >would like to know how this differs from a conversation with a >passenger >in the car? I see it as virtually the same thing. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 ********************************* Get your free E-Mail and Homepage Go to http://www.networld.com ********************************* From sweetfogs@hotmail.com Fri Sep 22 17:36:10 2000 From: sweetfogs@hotmail.com (Jaimie Cogswell) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 16:36:10 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] my donation to the cause: study question #4 Message-ID: This is with regard to study question #4. Again, if there are any descrepencies or any needed additions, I won't be offended. Illusions: The perceptual/psychological processes that operate on the image falling upon the retina are incorrect. Illusions are important because they reveal important properties about perceptual processing; examining the failures of the visual system tells us alot baou thterules that govern normal behavior; there are important implications for art, architecture, human features etc. Contancies: The tendencies for qualities of objects o seem to stay the same, despite changes in the viewing field. Constancies are important because it keeps objects constant even though they don't look the same on the retina. These two factors tell us alot about perception. 1) Perceptions are not absolute. 2) Perception is influenced by context. 3) Perceptions are influenced by experience and prior knowledge. 4) Perceptioin is created inside our heads. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jbabygirlr@hotmail.com Fri Sep 22 18:15:41 2000 From: jbabygirlr@hotmail.com (jessica rembowski) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 11:15:41 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] attention and driving Message-ID: Last night as I was reading, I started thinking about attention and driving. I have this friend that is a horrible driver. One day I was riding in the car with him and he was not paying any attention to the task at hand which happened to be driving the car. He started to smoke as he was driving and when he had finished smoking, it was incredible to see the change in his driving. For some werid reason, smoking helped him to focus. I was also thinking about myself and when I drive for long periods of time, I have to be eating sunflower seeds. My mind doesn't wander nearly as much when I eat sunflower seeds and drive. When I don't eat sunflower seeds, I notice that my mind wanders and I realize that I have been driving but have not really paid any attention to the road at all. I was just curious to see if this happened to anyone else or if anyone can tell me why doing more than one thing at a time helps to foucs at the task at hand. _Jessica _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From falsecents@hotmail.com Fri Sep 22 19:03:01 2000 From: falsecents@hotmail.com (F.C.S. S.L.C.) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 18:03:01 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] cell phones Message-ID: Yesterday, while driving home I received a call on my cell phone from a friend. We talked for about 20 minutes until I got home. When I hung up I could remember very little from my drive, I don't remember being at stop lights, or even how the traffic was. I can't believe any one would say that this distraction does not effect their driving. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jjfoust@ix.netcom.com Fri Sep 22 19:49:06 2000 From: jjfoust@ix.netcom.com (Jaime C. Foust) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 12:49:06 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Help with question #1 Message-ID: <39CBA9A2.13E98911@ix.netcom.com> Could someone either help with question 1 from the study guide, or point me in the direction to find the answer? I know someone asked about this before, but I never saw an answer posted. Thanks!! Jaime Foust From jjfoust@ix.netcom.com Fri Sep 22 19:50:23 2000 From: jjfoust@ix.netcom.com (Jaime C. Foust) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 12:50:23 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Help with question #1 Message-ID: <39CBA9EF.A80111AA@ix.netcom.com> Could someone either help with question 1 from the study guide, or point me in the direction to find the answer? I know someone asked about this before, but I never saw an answer posted. By the way, thanks to everyone who has helped contribute answers to the other questions. I am also very concerned about what to expect as far as multiple choice answers. Perhaps Dr. Strayer or Kristin could give us a sample multiple choice question???? Thanks!! Jaime Foust From jjfoust@ix.netcom.com Fri Sep 22 19:56:07 2000 From: jjfoust@ix.netcom.com (Jaime C. Foust) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 12:56:07 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] cell phones Message-ID: <39CBAB47.EC7B8CFE@ix.netcom.com> I would like to respond to this comment by saying that not everyone has a cell phone for the purpose of engaging in "superficial banter" with friends. Many people carry cell phones or pagers for work purposes. Also people may carry them if they have children who may need to reach them in the case of an emergency, or if they them self experience an emergency and need to call for help. We have pretty much covered the cell phone issue to death, and how this compares to a passenger in the car, but what about day dreaming or thinking about an upcoming exam or assignment? When you day dream you are not exactly 100% focused on driving...... Jaime Foust Ali Salari salari_ali@hotmail.com Fri, 22 Sep 2000 09:08:41 MDT I don't understand this cell phone issue. When I had a cell phone and pager I was being harrassed 24-7 by friends. I had no time for myself. Why has it become so important to be talking to people all of the time. My life must be incredibly dull because I don't have that much to say to so many people. It is common sense that talking on a cell phone and driving is dangerous, but people are willing to put their lives and others lives in danger to engage in superficial banter with their friends. This behavior alone justifies a psychological study to determine why people would endanger their lives so they can be accessible 24 hours a day. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From AnnieJ312@aol.com Fri Sep 22 22:01:41 2000 From: AnnieJ312@aol.com (AnnieJ312@aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:01:41 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] number 9 Message-ID: <76.33c8bdd.26fd22b5@aol.com> Here's my contribution to the study guide answers...This will just give you an outline to build your actual answer on.... 9) Selective Attention is attention that involves filtering (eliminating distractions) from incoming information. This occurs when we focus on one thing and get rid of the rest. Selective Attention has been studied using the Stroop Color Word Task. (we did this in class thursday) Words are given in one color of ink but spell out another color and subjects are asked to say only the color of the ink. In this case you are forced to pay attention to (select) the color of the ink while trying to ignore what color the word actually spells. We see selective attention in the real world by what is commonly called the "cocktail-party effect." When you're at a party and there's music and a bunch of conversations going on around you, you have to filter out the "noise" in order to pay better attention to the conversation that you're having with someone. Divided attention is when you are paying atleast some attention to more than one thing at the same time. (Typically more attention to one than the other) (I'm having a hard time finding how this has been studied besides the studies similar to Pro Strayers research on cell phones, so you could use that I guess) A real world example could be driving while talking to a passenger in the car (instead of someone on the phone). You are paying attention not only to the conversation, but also to traffic signs and speed limits while driving (hopefully.) You may be paying more attention to one than the other, but you're still paying some attention to both. (there's tons of real world examples for divided attention obviously...talking on the phone while watching tv...etc.) I'm sure there's more to add to this...so please post it if you get there before I do. From sweetfogs@hotmail.com Fri Sep 22 22:13:28 2000 From: sweetfogs@hotmail.com (Jaimie Cogswell) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 21:13:28 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] cell phones Message-ID: Okay, cell phones. Again. Dang, I apologize. Yes of course there are legitimate reasons why people carry cell phones, Jaime has a point. But I also think that Ali also has a point. I spent the last little while in Europe where it seems like a lot more people have cell phones, or mobile phones as they like to call them. My Finnish friend (Finland is the headquarters of Nokia) says that 50% of the population in Finland has at least one or more cell phones. She said it's getting kind of sad because no one actually talks to each other anymore face to face. (We we also talking about this in the context of email and chat rooms). As we discussed about this alternate way of communicating, it was brought up that sometimes it's easier to talk to someone and say how you really feel without actually having to look them in the eye. Yeah, it might be easier, but as far as communication and relationships go, shouldn't we be able to look each other in the eye? It seems that these other ways of communicating is actually distancing people. My friend said that it seemed like no one could even talk to each other any more. I hate it when my friends go out to dinner with me and have their cell phones on the table. How rude is it to answer the phone when you're out with friends? SO, not only does it give a mask to communication, it interupts real communication with people you are with. I find it that people tend to abuse their cell phone privileges and they end up being very very rude, without even realizing it. I'm beginning to wonder if we even need to see each other anymore, because we can just call. I wonder if the advance of all this technology is ruining social skills. I do have a cell phone too, so I'm not trying to be too harsh, but I still think that we should keep things in perspective. But yeah, enough of cell phones, it's getting irritating. Jaime Foust wrote: I would like to respond to this comment by saying that not everyone has a cell phone for the purpose of engaging in "superficial banter" with friends. Many people carry cell phones or pagers for work purposes. Also people may carry them if they have children who may need to reach them in the case of an emergency, or if they them self experience an emergency and need to call for help. We have pretty much covered the cell phone issue to death, and how this compares to a passenger in the car, but what about day dreaming or thinking about an upcoming exam or assignment? When you day dream you are not exactly 100% focused on driving...... Jaime Foust Ali Salari salari_ali@hotmail.com Fri, 22 Sep 2000 09:08:41 MDT I don't understand this cell phone issue. When I had a cell phone and pager I was being harrassed 24-7 by friends. I had no time for myself. Why has it become so important to be talking to people all of the time. My life must be incredibly dull because I don't have that much to say to so many people. It is common sense that talking on a cell phone and driving is dangerous, but people are willing to put their lives and others lives in danger to engage in superficial banter with their friends. This behavior alone justifies a psychological study to determine why people would endanger their lives so they can be accessible 24 hours a day. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From trichardson@acs.utah.edu Fri Sep 22 22:27:19 2000 From: trichardson@acs.utah.edu (Richardson) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:27:19 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Cell story Message-ID: <39CBCEB7.478A3F95@acs.utah.edu> This past Wednesday I was crossing the street at 100 South right by the physics building. Anyway there was construction on 100 South with a lot of flashing barricades to form two lanes. I was telling my friend about our class discussion on attention, when I was interrupted by a loud noise of a lady in a very large vehicle hitting a barricade turning left on 1st South and talking on the cell phone. After she realized she hit the barricade she dropped the phone and needed two hands to make the left turn. How funny and ironic!! From kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Fri Sep 22 23:17:00 2000 From: kgriffin2001@yahoo.com (Karen Griffin) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:17:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Road_Accident_Error Message-ID: <20000922221700.4578.qmail@web4902.mail.yahoo.com> Kristin, I have a question about something that was raised on this Web page. In the article talking about road accidents and attention the author talked about things that attract a driver's attention. It talked about things that "pop out and automatically attract attention" such as when the object is large, high contrast, moves rapidly or is familiar. My question is whether or not the "pop out" theory would more closely match Broadbent's early selection theory (attention is focused on the conversation that is closest, loudest, etc.) or if it would match Treisman's attenuated model - the object becomes semantically important because of its size, movement, etc. Can you please clarify? Thanks. --- Kristin Ward wrote: > Hi Human Cognition List! > > Here is an interesting web page on human error and > car accidents. In many ways this is similar to the > human factor errors discussed in class: > http://www.ergogero.com/pages/roadaccidents.html > > Regards, > > Kristin Ward > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From E.J.Dickerson@m.cc.utah.edu Fri Sep 22 23:21:12 2000 From: E.J.Dickerson@m.cc.utah.edu (E.J.Dickerson@m.cc.utah.edu) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 16:21:12 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Psych3120] NINE Message-ID: <20000922222112.C9D9153B3B@dorothy.ks.cc.utah.edu> Divided attention can be described as a system that deals with the problem of dividing one's attention between two tasks. Everybody has an attentional capacity which is limited to a certain extent, as a result, an allocation policy is used to balance the amount attention that either task demands. However, the intention function of this system will strongly effect the allocation of attention depending on one's personal intentions. There is also an evaluation mechanism of this system which severs to mediated the allocation of attention between the two tasks. Evaluation is used to ensure an acceptable level of performance is being meet on both tasks. The cell phone while driving issue is an example of how divided attention works. People who talk on their cell phone while driving will pay attention to the cell conversation until they almost get into an accident or something and then they'll pay more attention to driving. Selective attention refers to the selective processing of task relevant info. And successfully ignoring task irrelevant info.. Broadbent's Model is one way in which selective attention is described. Input or information from the environment is constantly being taken in by our perceptual system, this information is sent through an attentional filtering system that separates the task relevant info from the irrelevant, next the central processing channel takes the relevant information and spits out a response to the incoming info. An example of this could be your T.V. only tuning into one channel at a time. I'm not sure how divided attention is studied, but I think Dr. Strayer said that selective attention could be studied using headphones and playing different messages in each ear. Please correct me if these answers are wrong or need additonal help. From alexispaulos@hotmail.com Sat Sep 23 00:03:19 2000 From: alexispaulos@hotmail.com (Alexis Paulos) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:03:19 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] music and attention Message-ID: In response to the guy that wrote about divided attention and listening to music, I just wanted to say that I use to have this math teacher who would always play classical music during exams. He said he did this because there was a study that said that math students who listened to classical music while taking an exam performed better than students that had no music or music of a different nature. Well I am not the best math student to begin with and this music totally distracted me, but he would not stop playing it. Eventually it got to the point were I could take the tests and not notice the music. So I think that attention [focus] can in a way be learned and that as far a divided attention and focus it is probbably very individual. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com Thu Sep 21 22:33:07 2000 From: Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com (Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:33:07 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Today's lecture Message-ID: I found the Stroop interference "color game" really amazing. No matter how hard I tried to focus on just the color, I couldn't. I almost got to the end but would say the word. Great example. On the other trial of looking for "K", I did find "K" in both examples, but saw the second one much clearer. Even though this was due to features being angular vs curved features, I still was able to see the other letters like W. Was I not being selective or is this an example of attention being more than just moving your eyes? Leonard Cancel #00180520 From thesaint@networld.com Fri Sep 22 02:53:17 2000 From: thesaint@networld.com (Fred DeSanto) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:53:17 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] colorblindness Message-ID: <39CABB8D.AB5D2BA0@networld.com> A reply to the question, "If the lights are out and a light keeps blinking, can a colorblind person see this? I would answer yes. I can't see why they wouldn't. They are colorblind, not blind to light. They should be able to see anything that is illuminated just like a person with "normal" sight. The colorblindness would only effect their ability to see certain colors. From thesaint@networld.com Fri Sep 22 02:59:45 2000 From: thesaint@networld.com (Fred DeSanto) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:59:45 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Car-phones Message-ID: <39CABD11.AEE76A75@networld.com> I agree with Dr. Strayer on the issue of divide attention with the use of driving and talking on a car phone. There is no way that most people can talk on the phone and be able to drive defensively. Several times I have been driving on the freeway and come up behind a person that was going too slow or having trouble staying within their lane and sure enough they often have a phone to their ear. I have almost been hit by people talking on their phones and not paying attention to their surroundings. I know it can be difficult to drive and talk to another person in the same car as yourself when ingrossed in a conversation. You must use divided attention to do this and both talking and driving is not getting the amount of attention that is needed to do either of these well. D. Hutchins 00078355 From jonnyutah@mindspring.com Sat Sep 23 04:16:26 2000 From: jonnyutah@mindspring.com (Jon Lindberg) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 21:16:26 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] ADHD References: Message-ID: <39CC208A.89E7E267@mindspring.com> So how do we explain people with short attention spans? I work with a little boy who has an older brother diagnosed with ADHD. I don't claim to know everything about his diagnosis, but I am aware of his inability to maintain his attention on almost any task ( ranging from college to work, which has cost him his grades and employment). He and I will be talking for a little while and he starts to get anxious and needs to move on to some other activity. Is the attention deficit component of ADHD (Attention Deficit and Hyperactivity Disorder) due to a problem with some of the attention processes we have discussed in class, or is the deficit due to the hyperactivity and the need to expel energy by engaging in different activities in a short time? I really haven't studied ADHD and maybe my observations of his behavior may be inaccurate, but does anybody have experience with this ADHD that could enlighten/correct me? From jonnyutah@mindspring.com Sat Sep 23 04:24:38 2000 From: jonnyutah@mindspring.com (Jon Lindberg) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 21:24:38 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Attention References: Message-ID: <39CC2276.891B7BC4@mindspring.com> Okay, all you people who talk on the cell phones while driving aren't as bad as some of us in the amateur radio community. Once an amateur radio operator achieves a certain license class (General), they can operate on HF (High Frequencies) rather than VHF or UHF. A somewhat antiquated, and yet fun mode of communication is CW, a.k.a. Morse Code. Well, it just so happens that they make the devices with which you can tap-out code (known as "keys" or "paddles") fairly small and with thigh straps. Its pretty fun to be tapping out code to someone on the other side of the continent while driving, but its not too bright. Whats even more fun is to try and copy their code while driving. Some people can just do it mentally, others of us have to use a pen and paper. You can imagine how this looked on the freeway. I haven't done it in a while, mainly cuz I received a ticket for wreckless driving. Anyway, it NOW amazes me how people feel that they can do two or three tasks in the car at once. My personal favorite are those people who strategically place their food around in their car while they drive (fries in the door pocket, chicken nuggets on the seat, dipping sauce in the door handle, etc.), and ooops, their food spills and they attend to that and not their driving. McCrash!!!!! From garffdog@hotmail.com Sat Sep 23 08:25:23 2000 From: garffdog@hotmail.com (matt garff) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 01:25:23 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Questions about sources of depth information Message-ID: There are three sources for depth information. The first is pictoral cues. These are cues that can be seen with one eye. They consist of (from what I could find) 1.Accomadation-the eyes focusing on objects at different distances(not a big cue) 2.Interposition-objects closer to us will cover objects further from us. 3.Size-smaller objects are perceived as further away. 4.Texture Gradients-closer objects have more definition, and further objecst tend to blend together. 5.Linear perspective-parallel lines seem to draw closer together as they travel towards the horizon or focal point. 6.Atmospheric perspective-air particles blur an object more as it gets further from us. 7.Shading-shows contours and angles of an object. 8.Height-closer objects seem taller. The second source is motion parallax. Objects at different distances move in different directions as we watch them and move through space. The third source is binocular disparity. Our eyes are offset by about 3" which gives us a 3-dimensional view of the world, which is an excellent source of depth information and the one we use the most. MATT GARFF 00144838 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From garffdog@hotmail.com Sat Sep 23 08:35:40 2000 From: garffdog@hotmail.com (matt garff) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 01:35:40 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Gestalt Organizational principles Message-ID: The first part of the Gestalt organizational principles is the law of Pragnanz which states that out of all the configurations we can see, the simplest and the most stable is the one that we see. This means that when we look at a square, we see a unit and not 4 equadistant lines places on top of each other at right angles. The next part are the laws of grouping: 1. Proximity-units near each other are processed as a unit. 2. Similarity-objects that appear the same are processed as a unit(circles with circles and squares with squares) 3. Good continuation-Objects arranged in a line are seen as a unit. Also continuous lines or curves are seen as a unit. 4. Closure-if there are gaps in a familiar object, we tend to fill in those gaps. 5. Common Fate-objects moving in the same direction at the same rate are seen as a unit. These ideas are important because they help us make sense of the world, and they are usually correct. MATT GARFF 00144838 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Mad4madimac@aol.com Sat Sep 23 17:38:41 2000 From: Mad4madimac@aol.com (Mad4madimac@aol.com) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 12:38:41 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] ADHD Message-ID: What I have heard about ADHD, I've read some books, is that they have heightened sensitivity to stimulus around them. In fact in class, when he mentioned autism, it sounded the same to me as what I had heard about ADHD. I was wondering if this is different and just a matter of degree, or not at all the same. Any one know the difference? Madison McAllister #00155404 From jlallatin@yahoo.com Sat Sep 23 18:54:37 2000 From: jlallatin@yahoo.com (Jon Lallatin) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 10:54:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Dog vision Message-ID: <20000923175437.28513.qmail@web5205.mail.yahoo.com> I think that dogs can perceive differences in color-for example colors will look warm or cold. They can do much more than some people give them credit for. --- CatherineW123@aol.com wrote: > Someone told me that their dog preferred a certain > color and could pick out > different colored objects. This could just be a > fluke though. > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 From jsd1022@yahoo.com Sat Sep 23 20:21:32 2000 From: jsd1022@yahoo.com (J Doonan) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 12:21:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Help with question #1 Message-ID: <20000923192132.55934.qmail@web9208.mail.yahoo.com> --- "Jaime C. Foust" wrote: > Could someone either help with question 1 from the > study guide, or point > me in the direction to find the answer? I know > someone asked about this > before, but I never saw an answer posted. By the > way, thanks to > everyone who has helped contribute answers to the > other questions. I am > also very concerned about what to expect as far as > multiple choice > answers. Perhaps Dr. Strayer or Kristin could give > us a sample multiple > choice question???? > > Thanks!! > Jaime Foust > > I'm still working on number 1 myself. I don't understand exactly what type of answer Dr. Strayer is looking for. I was thinking something along the lines of this. As the butterfly swoops past the left side of your head the information enters the right visual field(the right side of left eye and the right side of right eye). The image the falls upon the retina is upside down and inverted. The yellow color of the butterfly and the green color of the plant are processed by the cones. Once the information is recieved by the cones it travels through the horizontal, bipolar, amacrine, and ganglion cells, which form the optic nerve. From there the information travels through the optic nerve and half of the optic nerve from each eye cross over at the optic chiasm. From here the information continues along various pathways eventually reaching the visual cortex. I don't know how much detail needs to be in our answers. I hope this gives you a little help though :) _____________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From rlovat2@hotmail.com Sat Sep 23 20:46:46 2000 From: rlovat2@hotmail.com (Rachel Marie Lovato) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 19:46:46 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] Cell phones.... Message-ID: Okay, I can't stand it anymore..I have to throw my 2 cents in. I talk on my cell phone while driving EVERYDAY. On my way home from work I call my mom and I talk to her until I reach my home which is about 20 minutes. This is the only chance we get to talk and so everyday without fail I call her and we talk, and I drive the whole time. I do not consider myself impaired at all. I can recall things that I saw on my drive home and report it to my husband. The other day I slammed on my brakes in plenty of time to miss a skunk. I feel like I am very alert, maybe even more so if I was just driving because I am more active. ----Original Message Follows---- From: Mexpebbles@aol.com Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Subject: [Psych3120] Cell phones.... Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:39:06 EDT Can I just make a recommendation?!? If you have to talk on your phone while driving, get one of those hands-free things that you put in your ear. They allow you to talk and still have your attention on the road (which is more important). I started using mine about a month ago and I don't like to drive without it now. I am more aware of my surroundings while I'm using it instead of holding the phone. They are not very much money and some phone packages give them to you free with your phone. Just a suggestion though...but let's all try and make our roads a little safer. Thanks! _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jsd1022@yahoo.com Sat Sep 23 21:08:34 2000 From: jsd1022@yahoo.com (J Doonan) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 13:08:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: <20000923200834.27194.qmail@web9209.mail.yahoo.com> In regards to question 1 on the study guide. I don't know how detailed the information has to be. But, I'll share the answer I came up with for that one. As the butterfly swoops past the left side of your head it will enter the right visual field (right side of your left eye and right side of your right eye).The immage that falls upon the retina is upside down and inverted. The yellow color of the butterfly and the green color of the plant will be processed by cones. Once the information is recieved by the cones it travels through the horizontal, bipolar, amacrine and ganglion cells, which form the optic nerve. From there the information travels through the optic nerve and half of the optic nerve from each eye crosses over at the optic chiasm. From there the information travels along various pathways and eventually makes it's way to the visual cortex. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From tkulio@hotmail.com Sat Sep 23 22:41:58 2000 From: tkulio@hotmail.com (Theresa Kulikowski) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 15:41:58 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Test Anxiety?? Message-ID: >From: Mike Baker >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] Test Anxiety?? >Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:00:56 -0700 (PDT) > >Is anyone else with me and the few peopel taht I have >talked to that this test coming up deserves some >serious attention. We have discussed the mechanisms of >the eyes, how color works, illusions and many other >things. How detailed do we need to get in our answers? >The study guide that we received was a help but what >about the multiple choice section. Does anyone have >any ideas. >I am very interested in this subject and I can see >where it can be applied in life, I just need a bit of >help getting ready for the test? Good luck everyone!!! > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com/ > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 I am kind of in the same boat with the test. I have read everything and attended every class. I did all of the study questions, but I wonder how much of the readings we have to remember and how much detail we have to go into with the study questions. I also don't remember going over #8, dealing with apperceptive and associative agnosia. I remember visual agnosia but neither of the others. I looked in the Ashcraft book, through my notes and couldn't find it. Does anyone remember? Theresa K _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Thurie@aol.com Sun Sep 24 03:16:14 2000 From: Thurie@aol.com (Thurie@aol.com) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 22:16:14 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] Re: Answer to Study Question #1 Message-ID: <5e.103a3c6.26febdee@aol.com> I went to the review on friday and this is what I got. She told us we didn't need to be that detailed in our answer. 1. light waves bounce off the object, the mixture of the waves gives us the color of the object. ( we don't see the waves that are absorbed by the object). 2. The image goes through our pupil and is focused by the lens, then back to the retina. 3. The cones then turn the light into a neural impulse that goes to the bipolar cells and then to the ganglion cells. 4. The ganglion cells transport the image across the optic chiasm to the right hemisphere of the brain to be processed. ( the left visual field near the nose is processed by the right side of the brain). 5. It then goes back to the visual cortex, and then onto the M layer and the P layer. The M layer distinguishes movement, and the P layer deals with fine detail. That is as detailed as we need to be I think, I hope I got everything right. She was talking pretty fast. Clinton From kwan_carrie@hotmail.com Sun Sep 24 07:34:20 2000 From: kwan_carrie@hotmail.com (Carrie Kwan) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 00:34:20 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] divided attention with practice? Message-ID: The chapter on attention states that with practice, a person is able to learn to do two things at the same time. It states that although a person beginning with two tasks would unavoidably focus more on one task and do less well on the other; there comes a point that with sufficient practice, one can achieve a level of efficiency on both tasks simultously that is almost automatic. As I was reading that section of the chapter, I wondered how that relates to this cell phone issue that everyone is so concerned about. It seems like most people think driving and talking on the cell phone is dangerous. Perhaps it is more precise to say that it is dangerous for people without sufficient practice at doing these two tasks simultanously, but not for some others who are so experienced with doing these two things at the same time, that it has become automatic for them. Then of course, another argument would be, people may cause many accidents before they ever reach that level of automaticity. Perhaps in the future, regulations will be made that in order for people to talk on the cell phone and drive at the same time, they must take certain practice lessons, and take some sort of exam (maybe during the driving test), and if they past the examination, they will receive a sticker on their driver's license that allow them to do so. Who knows? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From mattdhubby@hotmail.com Sun Sep 24 08:01:32 2000 From: mattdhubby@hotmail.com (matt wilson) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:01:32 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] depth perception Message-ID: Isn't it amazing the way our brain is programmed? If you think about it, if our brain wasn't programmed the way it is, how would could we ever know that a balloon that looks a little blurry is closer than one that is clearer. Our brain is programmed to make automatic assumptions that aid us in our judgement of depth perception. Our brains are programmed so perfectly, it's almost like someone went through and found out all the rules of depth perception, then programmed our brains with them. Is that the case, or is it that through years of experience we slowly learned these rules and unconciously programmed ourselves. I don't really have an answer to that because I don't remember ever not having any depth perception. I do, however, remember when I couldn't hit a baseball or shoot a ball into a hoop. But is this a matter of depth perception or is it a matter of coordination? I guess that's the reason why we're in this class. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From cstorms29@hotmail.com Sun Sep 24 16:35:39 2000 From: cstorms29@hotmail.com (CAROLYN STORMS) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 15:35:39 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] Selective Attention Message-ID: My husband and I are opposite when it comes to studying and our selective attention. He needs noise in the background like music, the radio or TV. I, on the other hand, have to have complete quiet. Any noise is a distraction to me. About half my kids are like my husband and half are like me which makes me think there must be some genetic thing going on. Does anyone have any idea why some people's performance is enhanced with background noise and other's is hampered by background noise? Carolyn Storms 00040181 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From neomorpheus9@hotmail.com Sun Sep 24 20:21:55 2000 From: neomorpheus9@hotmail.com (Dan Felts) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 15:21:55 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] Selective Attention Message-ID: I think with selective attention and studying, it might be more a matter of personal preference or habit than anything else (of course I'm open to being wrong). Like, for instance...sometimes when I put a certain song on "repeat" on my cd player and study just listening to that song, whenever I have been confused on a test question I have been able to remember that song playing and reading certain information during a certain part of the song, so it was like a retrieval cue for me. Other times, dead quiet has been more appealing. those are my thoughts so far. >From: "CAROLYN STORMS" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] Selective Attention >Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 15:35:39 GMT > >My husband and I are opposite when it comes to studying and our selective >attention. He needs noise in the background like music, the radio or TV. >I, on the other hand, have to have complete quiet. Any noise is a >distraction to me. About half my kids are like my husband and half are like >me which makes me think there must be some genetic thing going on. Does >anyone have any idea why some people's performance is enhanced with >background noise and other's is hampered by background noise? > >Carolyn Storms >00040181 >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From gtalebreza@shoutmail.com Mon Sep 25 01:25:16 2000 From: gtalebreza@shoutmail.com (Gloria Talebreza) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 17:25:16 -0700 Subject: [Psych3120] Re: Sample multiple choice? Message-ID: <200009250025.RAA09929@unix6.electriclighthouse.com> It would be great to have some sample multiple choice questions considering the amount of info we could potentially be tested on! HINT HINT!!! Also could anyone expound on the importance of illusions and what they tell us about perceptions? I have a little bit, but I could use some clarification. Thanks & good luck on the test! ______________________________________________________________________ Shoutmail.com - Send a voice email, go to http://shoutmail.com/instant From wilson624@hotmail.com Mon Sep 25 05:26:23 2000 From: wilson624@hotmail.com (alanna wilson) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:26:23 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] cell phone use and attention Message-ID: How much attention do we really have on the road when using a cell phone? Are our motor reflexes impaired during the use of cell phones? Too much multi-tasking can cause impairment in most of us. Most of us can only focus on one or two things not several. Especially when it comes to cell phone use while driving. Driving itself takes a lot of attention and if we are not completely aware of our surroundings and every situation we are at risk or we are putting other drivers at risk. Conversation itself takes our complete attention away. I know that when I have people in my car I am not completely paying attention to my driving because I am so focused on the conversation I'm having. I have found that when I use an earpiece my attention on the road is better but still not what it should be. I have two hands of the wheel when I do this but my mind is somewhere else. Attention is very easy to take away because a lot of times there are much more interesting things going on then what we should be focusing on. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From garffdog@hotmail.com Mon Sep 25 05:26:48 2000 From: garffdog@hotmail.com (matt garff) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:26:48 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Re: Sample multiple choice? Message-ID: This may be what you already have, but illusions are failures in the visual perceptive system. These failures demonstrate that perception is not absolute, but a construct. It takes all the information given and instantly interperets that information for us, and it doesn't always do it correctly. I hope that helps. MATT GARFF 00144838 >From: Gloria Talebreza >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] Re: Sample multiple choice? >Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 17:25:16 -0700 > >It would be great to have some sample multiple choice questions >considering the amount of info we could potentially be tested on! >HINT HINT!!! >Also could anyone expound on the importance of illusions and what >they tell us about perceptions? I have a little bit, but I could >use some clarification. Thanks & good luck on the test! > > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Shoutmail.com - Send a voice email, go to http://shoutmail.com/instant > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From cstorms29@hotmail.com Sat Sep 23 21:51:30 2000 From: cstorms29@hotmail.com (CAROLYN STORMS) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 20:51:30 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] Selective Attention Message-ID: My husband and I are opposite when it comes to selective attention. He studies much better when there is background noise like music, the radio or the TV. I, on the other hand, am totally distracted by any noise. I have to have total quiet. Half of my kids are like my husband and half are like me which makes me think there are some genetics going on here. Does anyone have an idea why some people's performance is hampered by noise and other's enhanced? Carolyn Storms 00040181 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From david.strayer@psych.utah.edu Mon Sep 25 05:42:33 2000 From: david.strayer@psych.utah.edu (David Strayer) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:42:33 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Preparing for the exam Message-ID: <39CED7B9.384DA9E7@psych.utah.edu> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C87A4EC7C6C02989DFA03408 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As you all know, the exam will be on Tuesday. As a heads up, there will be 38 multiple choice questions and four short answer questions, the latter taken directly from the study guide. Remember that the maximum you can write for each short answer question is one (1) single-sided page. This means that you need to structure your answer so that you hit the major points in the page limit. Of course, you need not use the entire page if you can fully answer the question in less space. You will have 65 minutes to take the exam. --------------C87A4EC7C6C02989DFA03408 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="ds2144.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for David Strayer Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ds2144.vcf" begin:vcard n:Strayer;David tel;fax:(801) 581-5841 tel;home:(801) 364-0654 tel;work:(801) 581-5037 x-mozilla-html:TRUE adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:strayer@psych.utah.edu fn:Dave Strayer end:vcard --------------C87A4EC7C6C02989DFA03408-- From tarahdavis@yahoo.com Mon Sep 25 07:01:08 2000 From: tarahdavis@yahoo.com (Tarah davis) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 23:01:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] number three Message-ID: <20000925060108.27173.qmail@web9602.mail.yahoo.com> According to my notes and ch. 6 (in Matlin and Foley), there are three main cues that aid in depth perception: pictoral, movement, and binocular. Pictoral cues include the following: interposition-what is closer will obscure things that are farther away size-an object's size influences distance estimates texture gradients-the texture of surfaces becomes denser as the distance increases, if we are viewing those surfaces from a slant linear perspective-parallel lines appear to meet in the distance atmospheric perspective-distant objects often look blurry and bluish, in contrast to nearby objects shading-a cue provided by the pattern of light and shadows height-objects near the horizon appear to be farther away from us than objects far from the horizon Movement cues include the following: motion parallax-as you move your head sideways, objects at different distances appear to move in different directions and at different speeds kinetic depth effect-(this involves the motion of objects rather than observer) a figure that looks flat when stationary appears to have depth once it moves Binocular cues include the following: convergence-means that the eyes converge, or move together to look at nearby objects binocular disparity-this refers to the different info that arises at the two eyes Does this sound correct? Any feedback is great. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From brockbeattie@yahoo.com Mon Sep 25 15:32:11 2000 From: brockbeattie@yahoo.com (Brock Beattie) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:32:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Attention Message-ID: <20000925143211.19471.qmail@web9603.mail.yahoo.com> There has been a lot written about the use of cell phones and driving. I wanted to add a comment on the lack of sleep and driving. I have read and seen on tv that people who are sleep deprived are just as dangerous behind the wheel as someone who is drunk. This leads me to believe that the lack of sleep will cause us to loose the ability to pay attention to something much like talking on the cell phone. Also I wanted to wish everyone good luck on the test. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From kmarc1@yahoo.com Mon Sep 25 15:56:36 2000 From: kmarc1@yahoo.com (Marcus Kimsey) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:56:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Re: Sample multiple choice? Message-ID: <20000925145636.21823.qmail@web214.mail.yahoo.com> Furthermore the errors made by our brains while constructing an illusion tell us what rules the brain uses to organize the visual information we recieve all the time. --- matt garff wrote: > This may be what you already have, but illusions are > failures in the visual > perceptive system. These failures demonstrate that > perception is not > absolute, but a construct. It takes all the > information given and instantly > interperets that information for us, and it doesn't > always do it correctly. > I hope that helps. > > MATT GARFF 00144838 > > > >From: Gloria Talebreza > >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >Subject: [Psych3120] Re: Sample multiple choice? > >Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 17:25:16 -0700 > > > >It would be great to have some sample multiple > choice questions > >considering the amount of info we could potentially > be tested on! > >HINT HINT!!! > >Also could anyone expound on the importance of > illusions and what > >they tell us about perceptions? I have a little > bit, but I could > >use some clarification. Thanks & good luck on the > test! > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From kmarc1@yahoo.com Mon Sep 25 16:19:35 2000 From: kmarc1@yahoo.com (Marcus Kimsey) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:19:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] question 8 Message-ID: <20000925151935.15252.qmail@web204.mail.yahoo.com> Here's what I remember for #8, please correct me if there are any errors. Apperceptive agnosia is the inability to percieve informationt that is being recieved. Blindsight is an example of this, people who have blindsight cannot see what is in an area. They are not aware of it even though they can reach out and touch the object if instructed to and their eyes are working fine. Associative agnosia is the inability to relate (associate) objects or features. The man who couldn't recognize his wife or his own face had this. He could recognize features, eyes, ears, shoes, letters, but he could not recognize people by their faces or assemble the letters to read a word. You test whether a person had one or the other by putting objects in front of them and asking them to describe them, to determine whether or not they had a blind spot, and you could have them perform recognition tasks on any objects they could describe to see if they could assemble letters to read large words or recognize familiar faces. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From ilikeduplos@hotmail.com Mon Sep 25 17:04:02 2000 From: ilikeduplos@hotmail.com (Erica Fleming) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:04:02 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Question 88 Message-ID: Ok can someone make sure that this answer for number 8 is correct. Here is what I came up with.... Appreciative agnosia is when you have a blind spot and can not see the object in your blindspot but you can accurately reach out to the object and grab or grasp it. An example of this being tested is to put an object like a can in front of a persons blindspot and see how they reach out to it and if they can grab it correctly. Having appreciative agnosia would be difficult because you first of all have a blind spot that hinders your eye performance and also are not able to see things clearly even though your body knows how to react to them. and then.... Associative agnosia is when you can see objects in space but you do not know what they are. For instance in the video where the man couldn't find the Exit, or the ticket line...he also didn't even recognize his wife. So he was aware of the objects around him but didn't know what they meant. And the difficult thing about this would be not knowing how to function because nothing has meaning for you. erica _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From ilikeduplos@hotmail.com Mon Sep 25 17:04:09 2000 From: ilikeduplos@hotmail.com (Erica Fleming) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:04:09 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Question 8 Message-ID: Ok can someone make sure that this answer for number 8 is correct. Here is what I came up with.... Appreciative agnosia is when you have a blind spot and can not see the object in your blindspot but you can accurately reach out to the object and grab or grasp it. An example of this being tested is to put an object like a can in front of a persons blindspot and see how they reach out to it and if they can grab it correctly. Having appreciative agnosia would be difficult because you first of all have a blind spot that hinders your eye performance and also are not able to see things clearly even though your body knows how to react to them. and then.... Associative agnosia is when you can see objects in space but you do not know what they are. For instance in the video where the man couldn't find the Exit, or the ticket line...he also didn't even recognize his wife. So he was aware of the objects around him but didn't know what they meant. And the difficult thing about this would be not knowing how to function because nothing has meaning for you. erica _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jasonwlogsdon@hotmail.com Mon Sep 25 17:37:23 2000 From: jasonwlogsdon@hotmail.com (Jason Logsdon) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:37:23 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] depth perception Message-ID: I would have to say that the reason our brains are programmed is through evolution. Our ancestors that had better depth perception would most likely live longer and have a better chance of reproducing and passing on their genes. Those that had poor depth perception couldn't avoid danger as well and would end up getting killed before passing on their genes. Jason From: "matt wilson" Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] depth perception Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:01:32 MDT Isn't it amazing the way our brain is programmed? If you think about it, if our brain wasn't programmed the way it is, how would could we ever know that a balloon that looks a little blurry is closer than one that is clearer. Our brain is programmed to make automatic assumptions that aid us in our judgement of depth perception. Our brains are programmed so perfectly, it's almost like someone went through and found out all the rules of depth perception, then programmed our brains with them. Is that the case, or is it that through years of experience we slowly learned these rules and unconciously programmed ourselves. I don't really have an answer to that because I don't remember ever not having any depth perception. I do, however, remember when I couldn't hit a baseball or shoot a ball into a hoop. But is this a matter of depth perception or is it a matter of coordination? I guess that's the reason why we're in this class. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jasonwlogsdon@hotmail.com Mon Sep 25 17:43:06 2000 From: jasonwlogsdon@hotmail.com (Jason Logsdon) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:43:06 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] colorblindness Message-ID: I would agree. If it was a green light, a color blind person might see it as red, but they would definetly see it because the light is still taken in by the eyes, it is just processed wrong. Jason From: Fred DeSanto Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] colorblindness Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:53:17 -0600 A reply to the question, "If the lights are out and a light keeps blinking, can a colorblind person see this? I would answer yes. I can't see why they wouldn't. They are colorblind, not blind to light. They should be able to see anything that is illuminated just like a person with "normal" sight. The colorblindness would only effect their ability to see certain colors. _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jpix@networld.com Mon Sep 25 17:39:40 2000 From: jpix@networld.com (Jeffrey Pixton) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:39:40 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Selective Attention In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200009251641.KAA23950@jafo.csbs.utah.edu> I agree with your method of studying. I listen to Bach while I study and I can remember the information by association with the chorus or a certain note was reached while I was studying the material. It is a really useful way of studying, in my opinion. -----Original Message----- From: "Dan Felts" To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 15:21:55 EDT Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Selective Attention >I think with selective attention and studying, it might be more a >matter of >personal preference or habit than anything else (of course I'm open to >being >wrong). Like, for instance...sometimes when I put a certain song on >"repeat" >on my cd player and study just listening to that song, whenever I have >been >confused on a test question I have been able to remember that song >playing >and reading certain information during a certain part of the song, so >it was >like a retrieval cue for me. Other times, dead quiet has been more >appealing. those are my thoughts so far. > > >>From: "CAROLYN STORMS" >>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>Subject: [Psych3120] Selective Attention >>Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 15:35:39 GMT >> >>My husband and I are opposite when it comes to studying and our >selective >>attention. He needs noise in the background like music, the radio or >TV. >>I, on the other hand, have to have complete quiet. Any noise is a >>distraction to me. About half my kids are like my husband and half >are like >>me which makes me think there must be some genetic thing going on. >Does >>anyone have any idea why some people's performance is enhanced with >>background noise and other's is hampered by background noise? >> >>Carolyn Storms >>00040181 >>_____________________________________________________________________ >____ >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. >> >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>http://profiles.msn.com. >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Psych3120 mailing list >>Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >>http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > >______________________________________________________________________ >___ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 ********************************* Get your free E-Mail and Homepage Go to http://www.networld.com ********************************* From amberbarker@hotmail.com Mon Sep 25 18:34:36 2000 From: amberbarker@hotmail.com (amber barker) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:34:36 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] Number 8 question Message-ID: Can anyone refresh my memory what appreceptive agnosia and associative agnosia is? I can't find it in my notes or in the book. What are the problems with each and how can you test for it? I would appreciate it very much. Thanks, Amber Barker _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From tkulio@hotmail.com Mon Sep 25 19:40:40 2000 From: tkulio@hotmail.com (Theresa Kulikowski) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:40:40 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] question 8 Message-ID: >From: Marcus Kimsey >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] question 8 >Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:19:35 -0700 (PDT) > >Here's what I remember for #8, please correct me if >there are any errors. > Apperceptive agnosia is the inability to percieve >informationt that is being recieved. Blindsight is an >example of this, people who have blindsight cannot see >what is in an area. They are not aware of it even >though they can reach out and touch the object if >instructed to and their eyes are working fine. > Associative agnosia is the inability to relate >(associate) objects or features. The man who couldn't >recognize his wife or his own face had this. He could >recognize features, eyes, ears, shoes, letters, but he >could not recognize people by their faces or assemble >the letters to read a word. > You test whether a person had one or the other by >putting objects in front of them and asking them to >describe them, to determine whether or not they had a >blind spot, and you could have them perform >recognition tasks on any objects they could describe >to see if they could assemble letters to read large >words or recognize familiar faces. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com/ > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 Thanks to those who helped on #8. I think I understand it now. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From viper@xmission.com Mon Sep 25 19:39:44 2000 From: viper@xmission.com (Corey Raemer) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:39:44 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Tribune Article Message-ID: <39CF9BF0.897724FC@xmission.com> A few weeks ago when some of us were discussing Finius Cage and the prefrontal cortex regions of the brain I mentioned the hypothesis that under developed prefrontal cortical regions could lead to irrational judgements and acting on other impulses which may cause harm to ones self or others. The article featured on the front page of the Salt Lake Tribune explains how teen brains don't have fully develeoped prefrontal cortical regions. This research explains why teens (even very bright ones) engage in very risky and impulsive behaviors. Before I mentioned that scientist were imaging the brains of serial killers and finding that the prefrontal cortex regions of the brain are not fully developed and this could be one of the reasons these people can engage in these behaviors vs. somebody like you and me. Yes it is true that we are responsible for what we and I am not in anyway saying we should release the Ted Bundy's of the world because of this research. This is a very interesting article (Its in todays Salt Lake Tribune paper, monday sept 25, front page) and there are many articles published on the subject (I have found some in the journal of neuropsychology) I'm sure all of us have teen experiences we look back on and say "why did I do that, and I would never do that again." Maybe we were just young and dumb or our brains weren't able to interpret things properly at that age. From marcisparks@hotmail.com Mon Sep 25 19:44:43 2000 From: marcisparks@hotmail.com (Marci Sparks) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:44:43 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] ADHD Message-ID: My parents are both school teachers, my mom working with children with learning disabilities. They are currently doing research specifically with children with ADD and ADHD. They have created a computer program which is like a video game, but, it slowly increases the amount of time that the children must focus on one object. They have said that at the beginning the kids with ADD and ADHD could only focus for a couple of seconds at a time, but, over time it is increasing. This is still very much in the experimental phase, but, they are having great sucess with it, and hope that it can help them to focus their attention on other things as well. In response to the person who asked if Autism is similar to ADHD, there are many different types of Autism, but, most are much more severe than ADHD, Attention is not the only deficits that are shown with Autism. My uncle is an Autistic Sevant, he seems to pay attention to what he wants to pay attention to. He can become absorbed in the same action for hours at a time, like counting or doing math problems, so, I don't think with Autism it is an all around attentional deficit, it is what ever they choose to pay attention to at that moment. At times he is easily distracted, other times you cannot pull him away from what he is doing. He loves encyclopedias of trivia and has memorized quite a few. He knows every college football game ever played it seems, who played, their number, their stats, how many yards they ran, what high school they went to, what their stats were there, etc. He is really amazing, and a fascinating person to talk to, but, he has no social skills whatsoever, he will bust into reciting facts while you are trying to ask him what he wants to eat for dinner. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From david.strayer@psych.utah.edu Mon Sep 25 19:42:45 2000 From: david.strayer@psych.utah.edu (David Strayer) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:42:45 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Apperceptive vs Associative Agnosia Message-ID: <39CF9CA5.F50CE0DC@psych.utah.edu> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------69A4D5F6AAB06FCF8D44FB80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Apperceptive agnostics lack the perceptual ability for successful object perception. If you gave an apperceptive agnosiac a picture of a cup and ask them to copy it, they couldn't do it. On the other hand, if you put the cup into their hand they could tell you what it was. By contrast, associative agnostics lack the ability to assign meaning to objects. If you gave an associative agnostic a picture of a cup and ask them to copy it, they could draw it just fine, but they couldn't tell you what it was. The former is indicative of perceptual problems in object formation, whereas the latter is indicative of assigning meaning to the perceptual objects. --------------69A4D5F6AAB06FCF8D44FB80 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="ds2144.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for David Strayer Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ds2144.vcf" begin:vcard n:Strayer;David tel;fax:(801) 581-5841 tel;home:(801) 364-0654 tel;work:(801) 581-5037 x-mozilla-html:TRUE adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:strayer@psych.utah.edu fn:Dave Strayer end:vcard --------------69A4D5F6AAB06FCF8D44FB80-- From tkulio@hotmail.com Mon Sep 25 19:50:32 2000 From: tkulio@hotmail.com (Theresa Kulikowski) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:50:32 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] number three Message-ID: >From: Tarah davis >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: Psych3120 >Subject: [Psych3120] number three >Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 23:01:08 -0700 (PDT) > >According to my notes and ch. 6 (in Matlin and Foley), >there are three main cues that aid in depth >perception: pictoral, movement, and binocular. > >Pictoral cues include the following: >interposition-what is closer will obscure things that >are farther away > >size-an object's size influences distance estimates > >texture gradients-the texture of surfaces becomes >denser as the distance increases, if we are viewing >those surfaces from a slant > >linear perspective-parallel lines appear to meet in >the distance > >atmospheric perspective-distant objects often look >blurry and bluish, in contrast to nearby objects > >shading-a cue provided by the pattern of light and >shadows > >height-objects near the horizon appear to be farther >away from us than objects far from the horizon > >Movement cues include the following: >motion parallax-as you move your head sideways, >objects at different distances appear to move in >different directions and at different speeds > >kinetic depth effect-(this involves the motion of >objects rather than observer) a figure that looks flat >when stationary appears to have depth once it moves > >Binocular cues include the following: >convergence-means that the eyes converge, or move >together to look at nearby objects > >binocular disparity-this refers to the different info >that arises at the two eyes > >Does this sound correct? Any feedback is great. > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com/ > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 This is the exact info that I had in my notes, too. I also had that a movement cue is motion perspective: when we move in the world, things are viewed differently. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From must_09@hotmail.com Mon Sep 25 20:03:07 2000 From: must_09@hotmail.com (mike brooks) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 13:03:07 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: I have found everything in my notes or in the readings except for #6, I was there for the lecture on the jumping demons but missed the next lecture I need to know the a), b), and c) partd of the question about neissers' observations please respond if you know the answer thanks mike _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From candyphi@hotmail.com Mon Sep 25 22:15:15 2000 From: candyphi@hotmail.com (candyphi nguyen) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:15:15 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] plz help with # 7 Message-ID: so far, #7 is the only question that haven't have the answer yet. I will appreciate if anyone help me to answer this question, thank you, good luck on the test. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu Mon Sep 25 23:52:27 2000 From: kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu (Kristin Ward) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:52:27 -700 Subject: [Psych3120] Use of the Class Message Board Message-ID: <200009252152.PAA21418@meretrix.csbs.utah.edu> Psych 3120 students, I appreciate most of the posts on the class message board and have been pleased with most of the comments that have been made. Many good points have been made and some solid issues have been discussed. However, some of the messages are not appropriate to this forum. The class message board is intended for discussion of class-related issues. Personal attacks, swearing or other inappropriate comments will not be tolerated on this board. The bottom line is, use common sense when posting your messages. Please be polite and respectful of the other members of this board when posting messages. Regards, Kristin Ward (TF, Human Cognition) Good posts include: Outside information or news stories that relate to this class. Thought questions or ideas about the field of human cognition in general. Questions or ideas about course content or about the lectures and readings. Responses to another classmate's posts about the above topics. From amberbarker@hotmail.com Mon Sep 25 23:05:57 2000 From: amberbarker@hotmail.com (amber barker) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:05:57 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] #7 Message-ID: Well, I have the information about bottom-up processing and top down processing, but I am a little lost about the second part of the question...how each of these play a role in novel and familiar processing. I understand that with top down processing, familiar information is processed differently because this is the whole idea behind this top down idea. If you recognize it, you put it in a specific context and interpret it according to that context. And with novel information, if the context is unfamiliar, the interpretation will not depend on that specific context. And with bottom-up processing, novel information should be treated as would familiar information, although it may be quicker and easier if the info is already known, but since it is working its way up to figure out what it is,...well this is where I get a little confused. If someone could fill in the rest...? Thank you. Amber _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From SilAcciardi@aol.com Mon Sep 25 23:27:24 2000 From: SilAcciardi@aol.com (SilAcciardi@aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:27:24 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] plz help with # 7 Message-ID: <9c.7940f09.27012b4c@aol.com> Here is a little bit of help on #7 for you. I just went to the review and this is what I got out of it, if anyone wants to add, please do so: Data driven or bottom up processing is just that. There is no influence on the processing of the incoming information from outside knowledge. It is a purely heirarchical process that moves logically from one step to another. For example, imagine that you are reading a book. If you were to read in a bottom up fasion, you would break down every word letter by letter, first recognizing the first letter, then the second, third and so on, until your brain recognizes a complete word. Then you move on to the next word and so on. In contrast, conceptually driven or top down processing is when someting that you already know about the world influences what you percieve. Taking the same example, instead of going letter by letter on every word, you would automatically recognize certain words that you are already familiar with like "the, and, dog, etc" hence negating the need to figure it out letter by letter. As far as novel information processing goes, I see this as having more of a need for bottom up processing because it is information that you are not yet familiar with and you more than likely would not have prior knowledge of. With familiar information, I think that it would be much more of a top down process since it is or relates to something that you already know or can relate to. From must_09@hotmail.com Mon Sep 25 23:40:27 2000 From: must_09@hotmail.com (mike brooks) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:40:27 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] #5  Message-ID: would someone please enlighten me to the answer to #6, the later portion of it, and #5 with respect to the opponent processing theory thanks _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dwg4@utah.edu Mon Sep 25 16:21:54 2000 From: dwg4@utah.edu (dwg4@utah.edu) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:21:54 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Combined Answers to Study Guide Message-ID: <20000925152154.A2A484C171@dorothy.ks.cc.utah.edu> I combined all the answers for the study guide that you all posted on the board. I realized after that I didn't copy each of the names that posted the answers. I am very sorry, please forgive me. If I hadn't ran out of time, I would have went back. Sorry!!!! The only answers not here are 7 and 8. #9 has two answers. #1 I went to the review on friday and this is what I got. She told us we didn't need to be that detailed in our answer. 1. light waves bounce off the object, the mixture of the waves gives us the color of the object. ( we don't see the waves that are absorbed by the object). 2. The image goes through our pupil and is focused by the lens, then back to the retina. 3. The cones then turn the light into a neural impulse that goes to the bipolar cells and then to the ganglion cells. 4. The ganglion cells transport the image across the optic chiasm to the right hemisphere of the brain to be processed. ( the left visual field near the nose is processed by the right side of the brain). 5. It then goes back to the visual cortex, and then onto the M layer and the P layer. The M layer distinguishes movement, and the P layer deals with fine detail. 2# The first part of the Gestalt organizational principles is the law of Pragnanz which states that out of all the configurations we can see, the simplest and the most stable is the one that we see. This means that when we look at a square, we see a unit and not 4 equadistant lines places on top of each other at right angles. The next part are the laws of grouping: 1. Proximity-units near each other are processed as a unit. 2. Similarity-objects that appear the same are processed as a unit(circles with circles and squares with squares) 3. Good continuation-Objects arranged in a line are seen as a unit. Also continuous lines or curves are seen as a unit. 4. Closure-if there are gaps in a familiar object, we tend to fill in those gaps. 5. Common Fate-objects moving in the same direction at the same rate are seen as a unit. 3# According to my notes and ch. 6 (in Matlin and Foley), there are three main cues that aid in depth perception: pictoral, movement, and binocular. Pictoral cues include the following: interposition-what is closer will obscure things that are farther away size-an object's size influences distance estimates texture gradients-the texture of surfaces becomes denser as the distance increases, if we are viewing those surfaces from a slant linear perspective-parallel lines appear to meet in the distance atmospheric perspective-distant objects often look blurry and bluish, in contrast to nearby objects shading-a cue provided by the pattern of light and shadows height-objects near the horizon appear to be farther away from us than objects far from the horizon Movement cues include the following: motion parallax-as you move your head sideways, objects at different distances appear to move in different directions and at different speeds kinetic depth effect-(this involves the motion of objects rather than observer) a figure that looks flat when stationary appears to have depth once it moves Binocular cues include the following: convergence-means that the eyes converge, or move together to look at nearby objects binocular disparity-this refers to the different info that arises at the two eyes Does this sound correct? Any feedback is great. 4# Illusions: The perceptual/psychological processes that operate on the image falling upon the retina are incorrect. Illusions are important because they reveal important properties about perceptual processing; examining the failures of the visual system tells us alot baou thterules that govern normal behavior; there are important implications for art, architecture, human features etc. Contancies: The tendencies for qualities of objects o seem to stay the same, despite changes in the viewing field. Constancies are important because it keeps objects constant even though they don't look the same on the retina. These two factors tell us alot about perception. 1) Perceptions are not absolute. 2) Perception is influenced by context. 3) Perceptions are influenced by experience and prior knowledge. 4) Perceptioin is created inside our heads. 5# 5.Briefly describe the two theories of color vision. How do they account for the perception of color? Answer: 1)Trichromatic theory (Young-Helmholtz) Cones = color vision Three types of cones All cones are active but to different levels (more sensetive to different wavelengths) Blue cone : short wavelength, green cone: medium wave length, red cone: long wave length. EX: high active in blue: minimum in green and red Purple: high active in blue, minimum in green, high in red 2)Opponent process theory "lateral nucleus" higher level than cone. Between green-red, when red shine will increase activity and when green shine, decrease activity. Between Blue-Yellow, blue shine will increase activity and yellow will decrease activity. From that point, we can see that red will pair with blue and green pair with yellow. 6# Selfridge's pandemonium model contains four different stages, each stage is represented by a type of demon. The first stage is called "image demons" where an image is encoded and passed onto the next level. Level two is called "feature demons" where there is one feature demon for each simple feature that can be contained in a letter....one for a vertical line, one for horizontal bar, etc. Feature demons compare itself to the image that was forwarded to it. If it matches, it shouts. The better the match, the louder the shouting. Cognitive demons (third level) are in charge of listening to all the shouting. There is one demon for a capital G, one for capital H, etc. Since these demons only have one pattern they are responsible for, that is the only patter they listen for. For example the capital H demon listens for shouting that deals with horizontal and vertical bars. When Demon "H" hears these shouts it begins to shout too, but very loud. The fourth level is the decision demon who listens to the loudest shouts from a cognitive demon, and decides that it is a perfect match based on the evidence "heard" from the lowest to the highest levels. When compared to Neisser's study, it was difficult to find the curved target in a field of curved distracters because there were a lot a demons shouting. So it took longer to find the "match." When the curved target was in a field of angular distracters, there was almost no shouting except for the demons who matched the curved target. So finding the target was much easier. 9# Divided attention can be described as a system that deals with the problem of dividing one's attention between two tasks. Everybody has an attentional capacity which is limited to a certain extent, as a result, an allocation policy is used to balance the amount attention that either task demands. However, the intention function of this system will strongly effect the allocation of attention depending on one's personal intentions. There is also an evaluation mechanism of this system which severs to mediated the allocation of attention between the two tasks. Evaluation is used to ensure an acceptable level of performance is being meet on both tasks. The cell phone while driving issue is an example of how divided attention works. People who talk on their cell phone while driving will pay attention to the cell conversation until they almost get into an accident or something and then they'll pay more attention to driving. Selective attention refers to the selective processing of task relevant info. And uccessfully ignoring task irrelevant info.. Broadbent's Model is one way in which selective attention is described. Input or information from the environment is constantly being taken in by our perceptual system, this information is sent through an attentional filtering system that separates the task relevant info from the irrelevant, next the central processing channel takes the relevant information and spits out a response to the incoming info. An example of this could be your T.V. only tuning into one channel at a time. I'm not sure how divided attention is studied, but I think Dr. Strayer said that selective attention could be studied using headphones and playing different messages in each ear. Please correct me if these answers are wrong or need additonal help. Here's my contribution to the study guide answers...This will just give you an outline to build your actual answer on.... 9) Selective Attention is attention that involves filtering (eliminating distractions) from incoming information. This occurs when we focus on one thing and get rid of the rest. Selective Attention has been studied using the Stroop Color Word Task. (we did this in class thursday) Words are given in one color of ink but spell out another color and subjects are asked to say only the color of the ink. In this case you are forced to pay attention to (select) the color of the ink while trying to ignore what color the word actually spells. We see selective attention in the real world by what is commonly called the "cocktail-party effect." When you're at a party and there's music and a bunch of conversations going on around you, you have to filter out the "noise" in order to pay better attention to the conversation that you're having with someone. Divided attention is when you are paying atleast some attention to more than one thing at the same time. (Typically more attention to one than the other) (I'm having a hard time finding how this has been studied besides the studies similar to Pro Strayers research on cell phones, so you could use that I guess) A real world example could be driving while talking to a passenger in the car (instead of someone on the phone). You are paying attention not only to the conversation, but also to traffic signs and speed limits while driving (hopefully.) You may be paying more attention to one than the other, but you're still paying some attention to both. (there's tons of real world examples for divided attention obviously...talking on the phone while watching tv...etc.) I'm sure there's more to add to this...so please post it if you get there before I do. From lauraebarron@hotmail.com Tue Sep 26 00:12:59 2000 From: lauraebarron@hotmail.com (laura barron) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:12:59 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] the first test Message-ID: i just wanted to thank everyone that has helped out with explaining the questions on the study guide. its great that everyone is so willing to help the other students understand things better. you have all really helped me out in my review of the class for this test. good luck tomorrow! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kimcrocheron@mail.com Tue Sep 26 01:15:01 2000 From: kimcrocheron@mail.com (Kim Crocheron) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:15:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Modes of Learning Credit Message-ID: <381231916.969927301659.JavaMail.root@web184-iw> I have posted something on our class site every week, but I forgot to last week. Does this mean that I will not get the modes of learning credit? I hope not. I hope everyone does well on the test tomorrow! ........................................................ iWon.com http://www.iwon.com why wouldn't you? ........................................................ From jlallatin@yahoo.com Tue Sep 26 01:30:36 2000 From: jlallatin@yahoo.com (Jon Lallatin) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:30:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: <20000926003036.19131.qmail@web5203.mail.yahoo.com> Oh yeah. Can someone explain #6 in detail? That would be great. --- mike brooks wrote: > I have found everything in my notes or in the > readings except for #6, I was > there for the lecture on the jumping demons but > missed the next lecture I > need to know the a), b), and c) partd of the > question about neissers' > observations please respond if you know the answer > thanks mike > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own > public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 From ethanfinley@hotmail.com Tue Sep 26 01:59:15 2000 From: ethanfinley@hotmail.com (Ethan Finley) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:59:15 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Study Question #8 Message-ID: I don't even know if this will be posted in time for anyone to correct me before the exam, but maybe answering this will serve the purpose of getting it straight in my own mind. Anyway, if I miss something, please let me know: Apperceptive agnosia, as the name implies, involves an error in object perception. That is to say, while an individual with this could probably tell you "what" an object is (that is a can of Coke), he or she could not describe (or draw) the object. The error then, in this case, is one of perceiving accurately the features of the specified object. Associative agnosia, on the other hand, is a semantic deficit. A person with this condition could draw or accurately describe an object (that is a small cylinder colored silver and red) to you, but they could not tell you exactly what it is (a Coke can). This, then, is primarily a language deficit, one which impairs the "association" of an object's features with it's name. It is however different from general aphasia in that the deficit is only in recognizing visual stimuli. I hope this accurately and concisely answers the question (especially since, I imagine, this will be more or less the answer I'll give on the exam!!) If anyone can correct me on anything, please do so! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From must_09@hotmail.com Tue Sep 26 02:29:19 2000 From: must_09@hotmail.com (mike brooks) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:29:19 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Combined Answers to Study Guide Message-ID: thanks for answering the questions, it really helped me out >From: dwg4@utah.edu >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] Combined Answers to Study Guide >Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:21:54 -0600 (MDT) > > >I combined all the answers for the study guide that you >all posted on the board. I realized after that I didn't >copy each of the names that posted the answers. I am >very sorry, please forgive me. If I hadn't ran out of >time, I would have went back. Sorry!!!! The only >answers not here are 7 and 8. #9 has two answers. > >#1 I went to the review on friday and this is what >I got. She told us we didn't need to be that detailed in >our answer. > 1. light waves bounce off the object, the mixture of >the waves gives us the color of the object. ( we don't >see the waves that are absorbed by the object). > 2. The image goes through our pupil and is focused >by the lens, then back to the retina. > 3. The cones then turn the light into a neural >impulse that goes to the bipolar cells and then to the >ganglion cells. > 4. The ganglion cells transport the image across >the optic chiasm to the right hemisphere of the brain to >be processed. ( the left visual field near the nose is >processed by the right side of the brain). > 5. It then goes back to the visual cortex, and then >onto the M layer and the P layer. The M layer >distinguishes movement, and the P layer deals with fine >detail. > >2# The first part of the Gestalt organizational >principles is the law of Pragnanz which states that out >of all the configurations we can see, the simplest and >the most stable is the one that we see. This means that >when we look at a square, we see a unit and not 4 >equadistant lines places on top of each other at right >angles. The next part are the laws of grouping: >1. Proximity-units near each other are processed as a >unit. >2. Similarity-objects that appear the same are processed >as a unit(circles with circles and squares with squares) >3. Good continuation-Objects arranged in a line are seen >as a unit. Also continuous lines or curves are seen as >a unit. >4. Closure-if there are gaps in a familiar object, we >tend to fill in those gaps. >5. Common Fate-objects moving in the same direction at >the same rate are seen as a unit. > >3# According to my notes and ch. 6 (in Matlin and >Foley), there are three main cues that aid in depth >perception: pictoral, movement, and binocular. >Pictoral cues include the following: >interposition-what is closer will obscure things that >are farther away size-an object's size influences >distance estimates texture gradients-the texture of >surfaces becomes denser as the distance increases, if we >are viewing those surfaces from a slant linear >perspective-parallel lines appear to meet in the >distance atmospheric perspective-distant objects often >look blurry and bluish, in contrast to nearby objects >shading-a cue provided by the pattern of light and >shadows height-objects near the horizon appear to be >farther away from us than objects far from the horizon > >Movement cues include the following: >motion parallax-as you move your head sideways, objects >at different distances appear to move in different >directions and at different speeds kinetic depth >effect-(this involves the motion of objects rather than >observer) a figure that looks flat >when stationary appears to have depth once it moves > >Binocular cues include the following: >convergence-means that the eyes converge, or move >together to look at nearby objects >binocular disparity-this refers to the different info >that arises at the two eyes > >Does this sound correct? Any feedback is great. > > >4# Illusions: The perceptual/psychological >processes that operate on the image >falling upon the retina are incorrect. Illusions are >important because they reveal important properties about >perceptual processing; examining the failures of the >visual system tells us alot baou thterules that govern >normal behavior; there are important implications for >art, architecture, human features etc. >Contancies: The tendencies for qualities of objects o >seem to stay the same, despite changes in the viewing >field. Constancies are important because it keeps >objects constant even though they don't look the same on >the retina. These two factors tell us alot about >perception. 1) Perceptions are not absolute. 2) >Perception is influenced by context. 3) Perceptions are >influenced by experience and prior knowledge. 4) >Perceptioin is created >inside our heads. > >5# 5.Briefly describe the two theories of color >vision. How do they >account for the perception of color? > >Answer: 1)Trichromatic theory (Young-Helmholtz) > Cones = color vision > Three types of cones > All cones are active but to different >levels (more sensetive to different >wavelengths) > Blue cone : short wavelength, green >cone: medium wave length, red cone: >long wave length. > EX: high active in blue: minimum in >green and red > Purple: high active in blue, >minimum in green, high in >red > 2)Opponent process theory "lateral >nucleus" higher level than cone. > Between green-red, when red shine will >increase activity and when green >shine, decrease activity. > Between Blue-Yellow, blue shine will >increase activity and yellow will >decrease activity. > From that point, we can see that red >will pair with blue and green pair >with yellow. > > >6# Selfridge's pandemonium model contains four >different stages, each stage is represented by a type of >demon. The first stage is called "image demons" where >an image is encoded and passed onto the next level. >Level two is called "feature demons" where there is one >feature demon for each simple feature that can be >contained in a letter....one for a vertical line, one >for horizontal bar, etc. Feature demons compare itself >to the image that was forwarded to it. If it matches, >it shouts. The better the match, the louder the >shouting. Cognitive demons (third level) are in charge >of listening to all the shouting. There is one demon >for a capital G, one for capital H, etc. Since these >demons only have one pattern they are responsible for, >that is the only patter they listen for. For example >the capital H demon listens for shouting that deals with >horizontal and vertical bars. When Demon "H" hears >these shouts it begins to shout too, but very loud. The >fourth level is the decision demon who listens to the >loudest shouts from a cognitive >demon, and decides that it is a perfect match based on >the evidence "heard" from the lowest to the highest >levels. When compared to Neisser's study, it was >difficult to find the curved target in a field of curved >distracters because there were a lot a demons >shouting. So it took longer to find the "match." When >the curved target was in a field of angular distracters, >there was almost no shouting except for the demons who >matched the curved target. So finding the target was >much easier. > >9# Divided attention can be described as a system >that deals with the problem of dividing one's attention >between two tasks. Everybody has an attentional >capacity which is limited to a certain extent, as a >result, an allocation policy is used to balance the >amount attention that either task demands. However, the >intention function of this system will strongly effect >the allocation of attention depending on one's personal >intentions. There is also an evaluation mechanism of >this system which severs to mediated the allocation of >attention between the two tasks. Evaluation is used to >ensure an acceptable level of performance is being meet >on both tasks. The cell phone while driving issue is an >example of how divided attention works. People who talk >on their cell phone while driving will pay attention to >the cell conversation until they almost get into an >accident or something and then they'll pay more >attention to driving. > >Selective attention refers to the selective processing >of task relevant info. And uccessfully ignoring task >irrelevant info.. Broadbent's Model is one way in which >selective attention is described. Input or information >from the environment is constantly being taken in by our >perceptual system, this information is sent through an >attentional filtering system that separates the task >relevant info from the irrelevant, next the central >processing channel takes the relevant information and >spits out a response to the incoming info. An example >of this could be your T.V. only tuning into one channel >at a time. I'm not sure how divided attention is >studied, but I think Dr. Strayer said that selective >attention could be >studied using headphones and playing different messages >in each ear. > Please correct me if these answers are wrong or >need additonal help. > Here's my contribution to the study guide >answers...This will just give you >an outline to build your actual answer on.... > >9) >Selective Attention is attention that involves filtering >(eliminating distractions) from incoming information. >This occurs when we focus on one thing and get rid of >the rest. >Selective Attention has been studied using the Stroop >Color Word Task. (we did this in class thursday) Words >are given in one color of ink but spell out another >color and subjects are asked to say only the color of >the ink. In this case you are forced to pay attention >to (select) the color of the ink while trying to ignore >what color the word actually spells. We see selective >attention in the real world by what is commonly called >the "cocktail-party effect." When you're at a party and >there's music and a bunch of conversations going on >around you, you have to filter out the "noise" in order >to pay better attention to the conversation that you're >having with someone. > >Divided attention is when you are paying atleast some >attention to more than one thing at the same time. >(Typically more attention to one than the other) (I'm >having a hard time finding how this has been studied >besides the studies similar to Pro Strayers research on >cell phones, so you could use that I guess) A real >world example could be driving while talking to a >passenger in the car (instead of someone on the phone). >You are paying attention not only to the conversation, >but also to traffic signs and speed limits while driving >(hopefully.) You may be paying more attention to one >than the other, but >you're still paying some attention to both. (there's >tons of real world examples for divided attention >obviously...talking on the phone while watching >tv...etc.) >I'm sure there's more to add to this...so please post it >if you get there >before I do. > > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu Tue Sep 26 04:16:17 2000 From: Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu (Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:16:17 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Psych3120] multi-tasking Message-ID: <20000926031617.C5E4B4C226@dorothy.ks.cc.utah.edu> I hope I'm remembering correctly, but I think I read somewhere that people who have more connections between hemispheres of the brain (accross the corpus colosium) have an easier time multi-tasking or thinking in a global way rather than only being able to focus on one thing. I wonder if it has to do with the way each of us is stimulated from birth--the more we are stimulated in a particular way, the more connections we acquire? From Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu Tue Sep 26 04:22:58 2000 From: Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu (Marsha.Snow@m.cc.utah.edu) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:22:58 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Psych3120] test questions Message-ID: <20000926032258.0F9B153BA2@dorothy.ks.cc.utah.edu> To all of you who are responding with info about the study questions: I've heard it said that you don't REALLY understand a subject until you can explain it to someone else so they can understand it. I know that you have at least helped ME to understand better. Those of you who have done this should do really well on the exam. THANK YOU!!! From Mexpebbles@aol.com Tue Sep 26 04:30:01 2000 From: Mexpebbles@aol.com (Mexpebbles@aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 23:30:01 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] the first test Message-ID: <38.bd0d11b.27017239@aol.com> I would also like to say thanks to everyone for helping with the study guide. It was very helpful to have this message board. Best of luck to everyone tomorrow on the test!! From jjfoust@ix.netcom.com Tue Sep 26 04:37:32 2000 From: jjfoust@ix.netcom.com (Jaime C. Foust) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:37:32 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] GoOd LuCk!! Message-ID: <39D019FC.5740F9D@ix.netcom.com> Just wanted to send a BIG thank you to everyone who has been a part of the message board study group. You have all been a tremendous help to me, and many others. Good luck to everyone!! Jaime Foust From mikebaker13@yahoo.com Tue Sep 26 09:09:45 2000 From: mikebaker13@yahoo.com (Mike Baker) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:09:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Good Luck On The Test!! Message-ID: <20000926080945.22637.qmail@web1605.mail.yahoo.com> 1. A yellow butterfly swoops past the left side of your head and lands on a green plant in front of you. Describe in detail how this information is processed in the visual system. As the butterfly swoops past you, you will first notice that movement has taken place, your eyes will seek out the movement and begin to try to interpret the image. The light that is reflected off of the image goes through your pupil and is focused by the lens onto the retina. The image is upside down on the retina. The cones that are receptive to these colors are activated and they turn the image into a neural impulse that passes through the bipolar cells to the ganglion cells. The ganglion cells will transport the impulse to the optic nerve. From there it will cross through the optic chiasm and will head to the right hemisphere of the brain to be processed and passed onto the visual cortex. At the visual cortex, the impulse will be taken to the M level that detects motion and the P level that detects fine details. This process produces the yellow butterfly on the green plant. 2 Discuss the importance of Gestalt organizational principles in perception. Why are these ideas important? Gestalt organizational principles are important because they help us understand how we see the world and why we interpret it to be as it is. Gestalt principles state that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. We see images as complete units, and not just lines and angles that turn into something. One of the first principles is the law of pragnanz, this law states that when we see an image we are seeing the simplest explanation of something. This law of pragnance states that we will perceive the most stable and simple explanation for something. Other Gestalt organizational principles help to explain the world around us. The first one is the law of Proximity; this law states that objects will be processed as a unit if they are perceived to be near each other. Another principle is the principle of similarity. This states that objects that are similar to each other will be processed as one unit. The next principle is the principle of good continuation. This principle states that objects will be perceived as one object if they are in lines. The principle of closure states that if there is a gap in an object that is familiar our visual system will fill in the gaps and perceive the object as one unit. The last principle is the principle of common fate. This principle states that objects that are moving together at the same rate in the same direction will be processed as one unit. 3. The perception of depth is important for navigation in the world. Describe the sources of information, which aid in depth perception. Depth perception is achieved by three types of cues that are found in the world that surrounds us. These are visual cues, motion cues and binocular cues. Visual cues are made up by the things that can be perceived by one eye. These cues include things like linear perspective, height, size, atmospheric perspective, shading, texture interposition and accommodation. Each of these cues have a trait that shows the eye the proper place in a three dimensional perspective. This aids in the perception of depth. The second cues are motion cues; this can be described by the motion parallax. The motion parallax occurs when we see objects in the distance move in different directions as we travel through space. This is common to us when we are traveling in our vehicles and we see the sun traveling a different direction as we are. The third cue that aids us in our perception of depth is our binocular disparity. Our eyes are set apart by about 2 ½ -3 inches. This provides us with a way of combining two flat images into one 3 dimensional object. 4. What are constancies and illusions? Why are they important and what do they tell us about perception? Illusions are psychological/perceptual errors that occur when we view objects. The object is following all of the natural laws, but our visual system cannot interpret them correctly. Illusions are important because as we see our visual system making errors we can better understand how our visual system should work normally. Constancies are caused by our visual systems need for things to remain constant. Our mind will perceive familiar objects to be the same even though they are in actuality very different. An example of this is when we are able to perceive our clothing as being the same color in different conditions. Indoors our clothing reflects much less light back to our eyes, but our eyes will see a green shirt as being green indoors and also outdoors where the illumination is much, much greater. These two principles aid us by teaching us that our perceptions are formed in our minds and that we do not always perceive thing correctly. 5. Briefly describe the two theories of color vision. How do they account for the perception of color? The two theories of color vision are the Trichromatic theory and the opponent process theory. The Trichromatic theory states that we have three types of cones. These cones are constantly active but at different levels. Each of these cones is more receptive to certain colors or wavelengths. Color is produced by each of these cones reacting to a certain color at different levels at the same time. The three types of cones are known as the Blue cones, which are reactive to short wavelengths, the Green cones that reactive to medium wavelengths and the red cones that are reactive to long wavelengths. The Opponent Process theory states that cells that perceive color are only active when they are stimulated by a specific color. Cells are excited by the presence of a certain color and quieted when different colors are present. The Opponent process theory claims that color is perceived at the receptor levels and not at higher levels in the visual system. Color is produced by each of these cells being active at certain times. 6. Briefly describe Selfridges pandemonium model of pattern recognition. How does the model account for the difference in visual search performance Nessier observed when subjects searched for a curved target a) in a field of curved distracters or b) in a field of angular distracters? Selfridge's pandemonium model states that images are processed in a hierarchical process. This process has four levels, each of these levels having specific duties. Each of these levels are represented by the use of "Demons" The first level of Demons are the Image Demons, these demons see a piece of a pattern and begin to yell. Each demon is excited by a specific type of line or part of a pattern. These demons yell as loud as they can as they try to convince the next level of demons of their accuracy. The second level of demons are the feature demons. These demons hear the yelling of the image demons and they, being excited by certain features of the image demons, begin to shout as loud as they can. These image demons are trying to convince the next level of demons of their accuracy. The third level of demons are the cognitive demons. These demons evaluate the screaming and yelling and begin to narrow down the field of contenders. They make their choices and scream them out at the last level of demons, the decision demons. The decision demons make an accurate interpretation and they pick the winner of the yelling contest. Nessier's findings can be explained by this theory. In the search for the target letter there were many demons screaming and yelling, this slows down the process of the decision demons. When an object is distinct in a group their will be less demons fighting to be right and the decision demons get their information much more rapidly. 7. Explain the differences between data-driven (bottom-up) processing and conceptually driven (top-down) processing. Describe the role each plays in processing a) novel information and b) familiar information. Data driven or bottom up processing occurs at the lower levels of the visual system. It comes to a decision about an object through a system of levels. Each level leading to the next until an object can be recognized. Conceptual driven or top down processing occurs in the higher levels of the visual system. These decisions are based upon prior knowledge. Perception is based upon experience. Novel information and familiar information is processed in a similar way by the data driven process. Familiar items will be processed much more rapidly. Conceptually driven processing will interpret familiar data by seeing the object and placing it in the context that is most appropriate and then a decision will be made. Novel information is logged as an unfamiliar context and will be stored until it can be recalled again. 8. Contrast symptoms of apperceptive agnosia and associative agnosia. What seems to be the major problem in each, and how might you test whether a person has one or the other? Apperceptive agnosia occurs when a person has problems perceiving an object. This person would know what the object was if it was held in the hand, but they could not draw the object. Associative agnosia occurs when the person can draw the object but does not know what they drew. These could be tested by giving the patient an object and asking them to perform a task that would be indicative of the specific disorder. The main problem appears to be in the fact that the person can see the object but it is not getting processed correctly by the visual system. 9. Describe the differences between selective and divided attention. Provide a description of how these two forms of attention are studied and provide real-world examples of each. Divided attention is when a person divides attention between multiple tasks. People have a limited amount of attention that they can use, so divided attention must be regulated by a system that spreads needed attention to one task by taking it away from another task. Divided attention can become second nature to many people. Many simple tasks can be combined with very little attention needed. This is a learned behavior. Studying for an exam while watching the television is a real world example of divided attention. Attention must be shared between the two activities and one of the activities may suffer from the lack of attention. Divided attention can be studied by measuring the outcomes of performing multiple tasks at the same time. Selective attention is when a person pays attention to just one task by filtering out the other stimuli that are coming in. Tasks are given priority and they receive attention when that task needs to be performed. Shutting off the television and talking with a friend with no other distractions is a real world example of this. Selective attention has been studied in many ways. One of the studies done by Broadbent listed different colors in three possible schemes. One scheme was black and white; one had the color written in the color of ink corresponding to that color and the third scheme mixed the colors and names of the words. The subject was to say all three lists accurately. The third list gave most people trouble because it required divided attention and not selective attention. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From A.Cahoon@m.cc.utah.edu Tue Sep 26 15:30:38 2000 From: A.Cahoon@m.cc.utah.edu (A Cahoon) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:30:38 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: I too would like to say how much I appreciated all the help on the study guide. It was helpful to have the questions answered in different ways and with different insights. It helps to have things repeated, so it gets drilled into my brain. Thank you very much. Amy From jpix@networld.com Tue Sep 26 15:34:13 2000 From: jpix@networld.com (Jeffrey Pixton) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:34:13 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Thanks Message-ID: <200009261436.IAA17938@jafo.csbs.utah.edu> I also wanted to thank everyone for their contributions to this message board. Collaboration of ideas and trivia within a subject really makes the class come alive to me, as well as aids my understanding and recollection. Because of everyone's help, I feel much more confident going into this exam today. Thanks again and good luck! Natalie Janovak ********************************* Get your free E-Mail and Homepage Go to http://www.networld.com ********************************* From sweet_sun_nymph@yahoo.com Tue Sep 26 16:26:11 2000 From: sweet_sun_nymph@yahoo.com (Kris Turpin) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:26:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Thanks! Message-ID: <20000926152611.6164.qmail@web6103.mail.yahoo.com> I, too, would like to thank all those that helped me understand these concepts through the message board. You've been a tremendous help. I'm sure you all will do well on the test. Good luck! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From mobiaz@excite.com Tue Sep 26 19:17:57 2000 From: mobiaz@excite.com (mobiaz@excite.com) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:17:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Divided attention Message-ID: <12253608.969992277180.JavaMail.imail@seamore.excite.com> In looking at the aspect of male vs. female and the difference in their ability to successfully complete multitasking situations, what role does individual ability play in this aspect. I am thinking that with the various cognitive levels such a I.Q. and others, is it really feasable to divide the population in this manner? However, the thought crossed my mind is that if the comparison was reletive to the opposite gender with comparative cognitive abilities that the hypothesis might ring true. I was just wondering if anyone who posted those messages could shed some light on this for me. Thanks, Tyler Burnett _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From becky@lumintech.com Tue Sep 26 20:36:31 2000 From: becky@lumintech.com (Becky Alder) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:36:31 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Time and attention Message-ID: I know that I have not put the time into the message board as I would have liked. I hope that in increasing my efforts I can still become eligiable for the modes of learning credit. I wanted to also note a special thanks to all that helped with study questions and reply's in getting ready for the exam. It is so neat to see classmates pull together to help each other out. My addition to the board is the one for divided attention. I know the subject has been beaten to death but....I agree with the cell phone being a diversion when driving. However, what do you think about the new ear pieces that you wear and instead of having to pick up the phone and fiddle with the on switch it just comes on and you just start talking. What would be the difference between that and having a conversation with someone sitting in your car? Also are there any stats about mothers with a heard of noisey kids in the back. I would think that more distracting then a cell phone. Anyway just curious. From gleim@uswest.net Tue Sep 26 20:53:16 2000 From: gleim@uswest.net (The Gleim's) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:53:16 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Modes of Learning Credit Message-ID: <002501c027f3$6d550b00$676ae03f@gliem> I didn't post last week either, but I really appreciated those who did help out with the study guide. Having students who had a solid grasp on the material share their knowledge on the class bulletin board was a huge study aid for everyone. I would also like to let anyone know who didn't attend the review session that it was one of the best reviews that I have ever had. So, if you didn't make it this time I would recommend it for the next exam. Heather Gleim -----Original Message----- From: Kim Crocheron To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Date: Monday, September 25, 2000 6:15 PM Subject: [Psych3120] Modes of Learning Credit >I have posted something on our class site every week, but I forgot to last >week. Does this mean that I will not get the modes of learning credit? I >hope not. I hope everyone does well on the test tomorrow! > > >........................................................ >iWon.com http://www.iwon.com why wouldn't you? >........................................................ > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From CatherineW123@aol.com Tue Sep 26 23:49:29 2000 From: CatherineW123@aol.com (CatherineW123@aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 18:49:29 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] Divided attention Message-ID: I posted a message about gender and the ability to multi task. I saw a show on television that said structurally male and female brains were set up differently and this made it harder for males to multi task or divide their attention. I do not know whether this is true or not since this is the only example or study I have heard about done on this subject. I wonder if any other studies have been done about this issue and what the results were. You talked about the ability to multi task depending upon the person's cognitive abilities etc. To add to this I think it also depends on the tasks at hand. Catherine From A.Cahoon@m.cc.utah.edu Tue Sep 26 23:50:37 2000 From: A.Cahoon@m.cc.utah.edu (A Cahoon) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 16:50:37 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Time and attention In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I don't know what the statistics are on mothers with noisy kids in the back, but I do know that their attention to driving is very bad because a few years ago I got rear-ended in a parking lot by a mother that was backing out of her spot and was paying attention to her children and didn't see me. I also know that having a conversation while driving is equally dangerous. A couple of weeks ago my mom was backing out of the parking lot and talking to me and almost hit a car. Later on that same night, she was talking to me and went through a red light and almost got in a wreck. They say you shouldn't drive when you're upset and they're right. Her mind was not on the road at all that night, because she was upset about something. She also didn't realize that we were coming up to the street we needed to turn on to go home. She shouldn't have driven at all! I even told her to stop talking to me and pay attention to the road but she still was driving poorly because she was upset. Also, I think that those new ear pieces aren't any better because you are still directing your attention to the conversation. It's not the actual phone that is causing your attention to be diverted, although the ear pieces probably helps somewhat. I don't really know, just my opinion. Amy Cahoon #00077943 On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, Becky Alder wrote: > I know that I have not put the time into the message board as I would have > liked. I hope that in increasing my efforts I can still become eligiable for > the modes of learning credit. > > I wanted to also note a special thanks to all that helped with study > questions and reply's in getting ready for the exam. It is so neat to see > classmates pull together to help each other out. > > My addition to the board is the one for divided attention. I know the > subject has been beaten to death but....I agree with the cell phone being a > diversion when driving. However, what do you think about the new ear pieces > that you wear and instead of having to pick up the phone and fiddle with the > on switch it just comes on and you just start talking. What would be the > difference between that and having a conversation with someone sitting in > your car? Also are there any stats about mothers with a heard of noisey kids > in the back. I would think that more distracting then a cell phone. > > Anyway just curious. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From listonbr@yahoo.com Wed Sep 27 06:19:35 2000 From: listonbr@yahoo.com (s.brandon liston) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:19:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Input Message-ID: <20000927051935.23091.qmail@web208.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks everyone that posted a question it was a big help on the essay portion of the test. I was just wondering how everyone felt about the test, For example I felt very prepared for the essay part, but on the (MC) I don't feel as good, I was just curious if anyone else found a few of the questions to be very challenging, some of the questions at the end had me confused. Thanks for your Feedback Today in another one of my classes we were studying the cockpit of an airplane and with my knowledge and experience I began to develop a rather simple question? I asked my instructor why over the years, with as much technology as we have developed, and the digital products available for the inside of the cock pit, why are still some of the most important instruments that a pilot uses still analog? He answered me two reasons one because those instruments go out on you and two that is how it's been for years, the location of the instruments and the function. So than I said does that have anything to do with the cognition of the human mind, do you think that we arranged the instruments in a certain way so that the mind could process it much easier? He answered me with a definite yes. Liston 00154324 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Mexpebbles@aol.com Wed Sep 27 06:54:41 2000 From: Mexpebbles@aol.com (Mexpebbles@aol.com) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 01:54:41 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] Input Message-ID: <9e.a253284.2702e5a1@aol.com> I also felt good about the essay part of the exam, but the multiple choice threw me off. I liked the fact that knew what to expect with the essay questions, but I thought we should have been given a little more information on what to expect for the MC. Does anyone feel the same way? From jlallatin@yahoo.com Wed Sep 27 16:12:59 2000 From: jlallatin@yahoo.com (Jon Lallatin) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:12:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Thanks! Message-ID: <20000927151259.28917.qmail@web5203.mail.yahoo.com> I would like to thank everyone as well. But I guess I won't know how thankful until the results are out. I hope everyone does well. --- Kris Turpin wrote: > I, too, would like to thank all those that helped me > understand these concepts through the message board. > > You've been a tremendous help. I'm sure you all > will > do well on the test. Good luck! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! > Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 From becky@lumintech.com Wed Sep 27 17:17:23 2000 From: becky@lumintech.com (Becky Alder) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 10:17:23 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Divided attention Message-ID: I was reading one of the other emails in regards to divided attention. In a developemental class I once took I recall the debate of Nature vs Nuture. I am taking an educated guess when I say I think that divided attention is more a learned thing than a genetic issue. Little girls will watch their mother be the family: cook, nurse, grocery shopper, bill payer, work a job/career, etc., etc. They will then immatate this behavior in their play. Thus they grow up being very multi-task oriented. Boys on the other hand for a long time were "not expected" to play multiple rolls. How often do you hear a man as how he is going to balance his career with his marriage? I also want to point out that from this state of mind less then 10 years ago, we have also since evolved. Men have become more intergrated in a multi-task world as women are more into full time careers. My GM is a part time student, the bill payer, the laundry doer, and still runs a multimillion dollar company. Men "have" become very multi-task oreinted. If this were a genetic thing, how can this behavior be so modified in one generation? My final comment is that even though in some respects women still can have a dozen projects going at once, and men are very focused on a single project. I think that we as women need to practice being more focused as I know men are working more toward the multi-task efforts whether they realize it or not. From viper@xmission.com Wed Sep 27 17:16:49 2000 From: viper@xmission.com (Corey Raemer) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 10:16:49 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: <39D21D71.E902CD18@xmission.com> I can't remember the name of who put up the study guide but thanks, It made this test a lot easier to study for. From what I heard from people whom have taken this class they say it only gets harder. From kgriffin2001@yahoo.com Wed Sep 27 17:32:29 2000 From: kgriffin2001@yahoo.com (Karen Griffin) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 09:32:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Eyewitness Testimony Message-ID: <20000927163229.13915.qmail@web4901.mail.yahoo.com> There have been a few postings in the past about how faulty eye-witness testimony can be. Proof of this was stated in an article in Sunday's Salt Lake Tribune. A woman who was raped in the mid 1980s and had been what the police and prosecutors called "the perfect witness." She never faltered in any of her testimony and had positively identified a man as her attacker. This man had even been successful in getting a second trial and in the second trial she was confronted with her actual assailant and the man she had acused earlier. She continued to stand behind her testimony and the guilty person went free (on this particular rape anyway). The police also had some circumstantial evidence that pointed to the innocent man. Putting this information with a very firm victim's eye-witness testimony, the guy didn't stand a chance. 11 years after the fact DNA evidence proved that she had been wrong. Now she actively speaks out about the problems with eye-witness testimony. This subject is particularly interesting to me as I spent about 8 years working in a courtroom as a court clerk. I sat through many trials where witnesses would tell their story of what happened. Now I'm really wondering how our judicial system can work. If you can't rely on what someone sees to try to understand what happened in a crime, how do we ever solve crimes and make sure the right person is behind bars? I don't fully understand why eyewitness testimony is so faulty. I can understand it as time degrades the memory, but when an initial statement is taken, how can the memory be so faulty? Is it because a victim is trying to make sense of what happened to them, and so they're not thinking straight? Or, does each of our schemas taint reality for us that nothing that we see is total "reality" and what is actually happening? Any thoughts on this? Karen Griffin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From becky@lumintech.com Wed Sep 27 18:27:54 2000 From: becky@lumintech.com (Becky Alder) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:27:54 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Input In-Reply-To: <9e.a253284.2702e5a1@aol.com> Message-ID: I really struggled with the MC too. I would really like to have that better covered in the study sessions next time. As for the Essay I was really pleased. I felt well prepared for that too. Especially for the amount of time given to do the exam, any less preparation would have been death! -----Original Message----- From: psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu [mailto:psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu]On Behalf Of Mexpebbles@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 11:55 PM To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Input I also felt good about the essay part of the exam, but the multiple choice threw me off. I liked the fact that knew what to expect with the essay questions, but I thought we should have been given a little more information on what to expect for the MC. Does anyone feel the same way? _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 From trichardson@acs.utah.edu Wed Sep 27 18:27:52 2000 From: trichardson@acs.utah.edu (Richardson, Tim) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:27:52 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Input Message-ID: I spent too much time on the essays and ended up hurrying through the multiple choice questions. I had to pick the first answer that sounded correct on three questions because of time. Maybe I just write slow or something?? -----Original Message----- From: Becky Alder [mailto:becky@lumintech.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 11:28 AM To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: RE: [Psych3120] Input I really struggled with the MC too. I would really like to have that better covered in the study sessions next time. As for the Essay I was really pleased. I felt well prepared for that too. Especially for the amount of time given to do the exam, any less preparation would have been death! -----Original Message----- From: psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu [mailto:psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu]On Behalf Of Mexpebbles@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 11:55 PM To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Input I also felt good about the essay part of the exam, but the multiple choice threw me off. I liked the fact that knew what to expect with the essay questions, but I thought we should have been given a little more information on what to expect for the MC. Does anyone feel the same way? _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 From JRWoods@aol.com Wed Sep 27 18:39:41 2000 From: JRWoods@aol.com (JRWoods@aol.com) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 13:39:41 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] Divided attention Message-ID: I enjoy reading everyone's questions and comments. I just read one about divided attention that attempted to classify it as a possibly learned trait that has, in the past, been atributed mostly to women. The argument states that women emulate their mothers as they balance a home, family and careers and then follow suit. And that men are have been soley focused on their occupations. I must say that I very much disagree with this theory. Being male of female does not change our basic neural structures and thinking patterns. I feel that divided attention, or the ability to participate in multiple learned tasks simultaneously is a direct product of higher brain function found in higher order animal species. To be able to walk, carry on an intelligent conversation, and be thinking about your stockmarket portfolio simultaneously is not just a female or male trait, but a human trait that enables us to utilize the precious time we have to maximize our chances of survival. Divided attention is most definitely a learned ability that has it's roots in our genetic make-up as human beings. Thanks for listening, Chris From tkulio@hotmail.com Wed Sep 27 19:19:55 2000 From: tkulio@hotmail.com (Theresa Kulikowski) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 12:19:55 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Eyewitness Testimony Message-ID: >From: Karen Griffin >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] Eyewitness Testimony >Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 09:32:29 -0700 (PDT) > >There have been a few postings in the past about how >faulty eye-witness testimony can be. Proof of this >was stated in an article in Sunday's Salt Lake >Tribune. A woman who was raped in the mid 1980s and >had been what the police and prosecutors called "the >perfect witness." She never faltered in any of her >testimony and had positively identified a man as her >attacker. This man had even been successful in >getting a second trial and in the second trial she was >confronted with her actual assailant and the man she >had acused earlier. She continued to stand behind her >testimony and the guilty person went free (on this >particular rape anyway). The police also had some >circumstantial evidence that pointed to the innocent >man. Putting this information with a very firm >victim's eye-witness testimony, the guy didn't stand a >chance. > >11 years after the fact DNA evidence proved that she >had been wrong. Now she actively speaks out about the >problems with eye-witness testimony. > >This subject is particularly interesting to me as I >spent about 8 years working in a courtroom as a court >clerk. I sat through many trials where witnesses >would tell their story of what happened. Now I'm >really wondering how our judicial system can work. If >you can't rely on what someone sees to try to >understand what happened in a crime, how do we ever >solve crimes and make sure the right person is behind >bars? > >I don't fully understand why eyewitness testimony is >so faulty. I can understand it as time degrades the >memory, but when an initial statement is taken, how >can the memory be so faulty? Is it because a victim >is trying to make sense of what happened to them, and >so they're not thinking straight? Or, does each of >our schemas taint reality for us that nothing that we >see is total "reality" and what is actually happening? > Any thoughts on this? > > >Karen Griffin > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com/ > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 I really don't understand what goes on to create such false eye-witness testimonies, but I do realize that the mind has many ways of protecting us from things that we may not be able to handle. We are learning of how perception can create illusions and how we fill in for missing data; it's possible that we use similar mechanisms for accounting for what we saw during a traumatic period. Physiologically, things are occurring and we are attending more to our fear responses than to the actual situation. As with divided attention, it is hard to perform well on two non-automatic tasks. I think our perception fills in for some information that we then missed due to our poor attention. Sometimes, I also believe that our defense mechanisms kick in and we may repress memories or relate images to previous experiences that create a bias in our recall. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jonnyutah@mindspring.com Wed Sep 27 19:58:45 2000 From: jonnyutah@mindspring.com (Jon Lindberg) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 12:58:45 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Here's a novel thought.... References: <39D21D71.E902CD18@xmission.com> Message-ID: <39D24365.E02D1B73@mindspring.com> On the first day of class I went to the course website and printed up all of the study guides. To my surprise, the study guide I printed up on that first day of class was the exact same study guide handed to us in class. Anyway, I used that first study guide I printed as a guide throughout the first module for the test, and felt pretty prepared for the test yesterday, including the multiple choice (I admit though that some of the mc threw me off!). It stands to reason that if the study guide for the first test wasn't any different from what I initially printed up, the others will be the same way. So, here's what I suggest: print up the second study guide ASAP and lets start working on it now, rather than waiting the week before the test to hammer out the questions. At the end of each week, we'll go over our notes and readings collectively and answer the questions, similar to what was done this last week. And, oh yes, thanks to all those who posted their answers for the essays! It was a great help! Team work really pays off. From ham070@hotmail.com Wed Sep 27 20:29:47 2000 From: ham070@hotmail.com (amber kresser) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 13:29:47 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Thanks! Message-ID: I WOULD JUST LIKE TO GIVE A HUGE THANKS TO EVERYONE WHO WAS WILLING TO SHARE INFO ON THE MESSAGE BOARD. THE EMAILS I PRINTED OUT FROM THE STUDENTS WERE ALMOST MORE HELPFUL THAN ANYTHING ELSE. THANK YOU AND LETS KEEP UP THE TEAMWORK. >From: Kris Turpin >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] Thanks! >Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:26:11 -0700 (PDT) > >I, too, would like to thank all those that helped me >understand these concepts through the message board. >You've been a tremendous help. I'm sure you all will >do well on the test. Good luck! > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com/ > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From marisamarston@hotmail.com Wed Sep 27 20:32:28 2000 From: marisamarston@hotmail.com (Marisa Marston) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 13:32:28 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: I am sitting here reading all of your messages and kicking myself at the same time. I did not like many others use the message board to my advantage in preparing for the exam. After reading the many e-mails I suddenly understand the things I was having a hard time with. Any way I would just like to say that I think it is great the way that students are helping fellow students, and I hope it continues. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From norrisrachel@freeport.com Thu Sep 28 02:41:30 2000 From: norrisrachel@freeport.com (Rachel Norris) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 01:41:30 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] thanks! Message-ID: <200009280138.TAA20445@jafo.csbs.utah.edu> I also wanted to thank everyone that posted answers to the study guide questions. I would not have done well on the test if it weren't for other's imput. Thanks so much! From norrisrachel@freeport.com Thu Sep 28 02:46:06 2000 From: norrisrachel@freeport.com (Rachel Norris) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 01:46:06 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] multi-tasks Message-ID: <200009280143.TAA20575@jafo.csbs.utah.edu> I meant to post this last week, but I was too busy studying for the test! Anyways, I had a thought about doing more than one task at once. Since this issue has been brought up, I have been paying closer attention to the number of tasks I am doing at the same time, and I have noticed that it's not the number of tasks I'm performing at the same time, but their level of complexity. For instance, I noticed that I was talking on the phone and making dinner at the same time while listening to music. I concluded that it doesn't require much thought to talk on the phone or listen to music because they are tasks that are very familiar to us and don't require much thought. I can see both sides of driving while talking on the cell phone. I think that if I were talking while driving home from work, it wouldn't effect my level of attention too much because I know that route home so well, but if I had to go somewhere different after work, that my be a different story. From viper@xmission.com Thu Sep 28 05:35:11 2000 From: viper@xmission.com (Corey Raemer) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:35:11 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Cell phones and driving Message-ID: <39D2CA7F.376BA141@xmission.com> In regards to the post on ear piece for the cell phones I recall Dr. Strayer saying that it didn't make a difference on attention if you used an ear piece or not. Although those ear pieces would seem to take away the distraction of having to look away and dial and all that stuff I guess from what Strayer has told us that is not what causes the distraction. The research, which I believe he is doing, shows that it is the act of actually holding a conversation with somebody and trying to drive. Can you all imagine what the road will be like in 2-3 years when people are drivng down the road trading stocks while sending an email from their in dash computer. From david.strayer@psych.utah.edu Thu Sep 28 05:54:57 2000 From: david.strayer@psych.utah.edu (David Strayer) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:54:57 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony Message-ID: <39D2CF21.B10435A1@psych.utah.edu> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------031321485D4217B482941DA1 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------8731B5BD6EC0510C00E28A67" --------------8731B5BD6EC0510C00E28A67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is a current topic that anticipates an issue that we will be discussing in a couple of weeks. Do you support the death penalty? If so, what evidence would lead you to recommend the death penalty? Texas's death penalty law has become an issue in the presidential campaign. Both Bush, the Republican nominee, and Vice President Al Gore support capital punishment. But Bush, who denies that Texas has executed an innocent person under current law, also says that state law guarantees fair trials for defendants in capital cases and an adequate review by appeals courts and the Board of Pardons and Paroles. James Harrington, the civil rights project's executive director, said the system is focused on "technical compliance" with procedures. The question of guilt or innocence often gets lost, he said. In a recent controversial case, Gary Graham was put to death for a murder during an armed robbery after a conviction based on testimony from a single witness. Critics said that she was steered into her identification of Graham by investigators who showed her a photo array that included Graham's picture shortly before she picked him from a lineup. --------------8731B5BD6EC0510C00E28A67 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is a current topic that anticipates an issue that we will be discussing in a couple of weeks.

Do you support the death penalty?  If so, what evidence would lead you to recommend the death penalty?

      Texas's death penalty law has become an issue in the presidential campaign. Both Bush, the Republican
      nominee, and Vice President Al Gore support capital punishment. But Bush, who denies that Texas has
      executed an innocent person under current law, also says that state law guarantees fair trials for defendants in
      capital cases and an adequate review by appeals courts and the Board of Pardons and Paroles.

      James Harrington, the civil rights project's executive director, said the system is focused on "technical
      compliance" with procedures. The question of guilt or innocence often gets lost, he said.

      In a recent controversial case, Gary Graham was put to death for a murder during an armed robbery after a
      conviction based on testimony from a single witness. Critics said that she was steered into her identification of
      Graham by investigators who showed her a photo array that included Graham's picture shortly before she
      picked him from a lineup.

  --------------8731B5BD6EC0510C00E28A67-- --------------031321485D4217B482941DA1 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="ds2144.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for David Strayer Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ds2144.vcf" begin:vcard n:Strayer;David tel;fax:(801) 581-5841 tel;home:(801) 364-0654 tel;work:(801) 581-5037 x-mozilla-html:TRUE adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:strayer@psych.utah.edu fn:Dave Strayer end:vcard --------------031321485D4217B482941DA1-- From Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com Thu Sep 28 14:37:52 2000 From: Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com (Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:37:52 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Input Message-ID: I also felt a bit blown away by the MC's. It was great to have had time to study the essays, I actually did them first then MC's, due to time. Leonard Cancel 00180520 >---------- >From: Becky Alder[SMTP:becky@lumintech.com] >Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 11:27 AM >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: RE: [Psych3120] Input > >I really struggled with the MC too. I would really like to have that better >covered in the study sessions next time. As for the Essay I was really >pleased. I felt well prepared for that too. Especially for the amount of >time given to do the exam, any less preparation would have been death! > >-----Original Message----- >From: psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu >[mailto:psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu]On Behalf Of >Mexpebbles@aol.com >Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 11:55 PM >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Input > > >I also felt good about the essay part of the exam, but the multiple choice >threw me off. I liked the fact that knew what to expect with the essay >questions, but I thought we should have been given a little more information >on what to expect for the MC. Does anyone feel the same way? > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com Thu Sep 28 15:29:27 2000 From: Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com (Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:29:27 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Reserve Readings Message-ID: Hello All! Has anyone had a chance to read the reserve readings yet? I have read a couple and they make for great reading. They are not lengthy and the stories are entertaining. My question or curiousity is, what are we suppose to figure out here? I guess Dr Strayer will go over this in class, but I was trying to find the link to cognitive psych in the stories. Does anyone have a clue? Leonard Cancel 00180520 From jasonwlogsdon@hotmail.com Thu Sep 28 17:04:08 2000 From: jasonwlogsdon@hotmail.com (Jason Logsdon) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:04:08 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Cell phones and driving Message-ID: I've heard that some phone companies are talking to the states to have cell phones banned while driving. Apparently the companies are being held liable for the accidents that have occured so they are trying to ban them. While this would be an inconvience to business people, it would definetly make the roads a lot safer. Jason From: Corey Raemer Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Cognitive Psychology List Subject: [Psych3120] Cell phones and driving Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:35:11 -0600 In regards to the post on ear piece for the cell phones I recall Dr. Strayer saying that it didn't make a difference on attention if you used an ear piece or not. Although those ear pieces would seem to take away the distraction of having to look away and dial and all that stuff I guess from what Strayer has told us that is not what causes the distraction. The research, which I believe he is doing, shows that it is the act of actually holding a conversation with somebody and trying to drive. Can you all imagine what the road will be like in 2-3 years when people are drivng down the road trading stocks while sending an email from their in dash computer. _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jasonwlogsdon@hotmail.com Thu Sep 28 17:11:58 2000 From: jasonwlogsdon@hotmail.com (Jason Logsdon) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:11:58 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony Message-ID: I agree with the death penalty but I think it should only be used when there is a lot of evidence supporting it. It is too easy to lead eye witnesses through suggestive questions. Our minds are so flexible that if questioned enough, we will start to see the event differently, based on the questions asked. Our memories can also be influenced by tramatic events. In the past, some victims of violent crimes have associated their attacker with who ever their focus was on the time. For example, one woman was convinced that a man running for the government raped her. It turned out that as she was being raped, he was doing a press conference on TV. Her TV was on that station while she was being raped, and she was convinced he raped her. It reasons like this that eye witness testimony should be scrutinized and not taken at face value. There should always be collaborating facts to back it up. Jason From: David Strayer Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:54:57 -0600 Here is a current topic that anticipates an issue that we will be discussing in a couple of weeks. Do you support the death penalty? If so, what evidence would lead you to recommend the death penalty? Texas's death penalty law has become an issue in the presidential campaign. Both Bush, the Republican nominee, and Vice President Al Gore support capital punishment. But Bush, who denies that Texas has executed an innocent person under current law, also says that state law guarantees fair trials for defendants in capital cases and an adequate review by appeals courts and the Board of Pardons and Paroles. James Harrington, the civil rights project's executive director, said the system is focused on "technical compliance" with procedures. The question of guilt or innocence often gets lost, he said. In a recent controversial case, Gary Graham was put to death for a murder during an armed robbery after a conviction based on testimony from a single witness. Critics said that she was steered into her identification of Graham by investigators who showed her a photo array that included Graham's picture shortly before she picked him from a lineup. << ds2144.vcf >> _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From becky@lumintech.com Thu Sep 28 17:43:20 2000 From: becky@lumintech.com (Becky Alder) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:43:20 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Cell phones and driving In-Reply-To: <39D2CA7F.376BA141@xmission.com> Message-ID: Just a thought then, if they are to ban cell phones because of those reasons, what is the difference then of holding a conversation with a fellow car mate, or having a van full of kids? Where do you draw the line on a banning like that? Just curious? -----Original Message----- From: psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu [mailto:psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu]On Behalf Of Corey Raemer Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 10:35 PM To: Cognitive Psychology List Subject: [Psych3120] Cell phones and driving In regards to the post on ear piece for the cell phones I recall Dr. Strayer saying that it didn't make a difference on attention if you used an ear piece or not. Although those ear pieces would seem to take away the distraction of having to look away and dial and all that stuff I guess from what Strayer has told us that is not what causes the distraction. The research, which I believe he is doing, shows that it is the act of actually holding a conversation with somebody and trying to drive. Can you all imagine what the road will be like in 2-3 years when people are drivng down the road trading stocks while sending an email from their in dash computer. _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 From gleim@uswest.net Thu Sep 28 20:19:12 2000 From: gleim@uswest.net (The Gleim's) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:19:12 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony Message-ID: <000801c02980$fc898ec0$aa69e03f@gliem> I agree with you Jason that our minds are flexible enough to start to see an event differently. I think it is kind of crazy that to this day the general public views eyewitness testimony as almost infallable. I wonder how much longer it will be used to incriminate people unjustly. It really seems ridiculous that so many studies have disproved the effectiveness of eyewitness testimony, yet it's not only still used, but often revered as the most important evidence in a case. Heather Gleim 00067221 -----Original Message----- From: Jason Logsdon To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Date: Thursday, September 28, 2000 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony >I agree with the death penalty but I think it should only be used when there >is a lot of evidence supporting it. It is too easy to lead eye witnesses >through suggestive questions. Our minds are so flexible that if questioned >enough, we will start to see the event differently, based on the questions >asked. Our memories can also be influenced by tramatic events. In the >past, some victims of violent crimes have associated their attacker with who >ever their focus was on the time. For example, one woman was convinced that >a man running for the government raped her. It turned out that as she was >being raped, he was doing a press conference on TV. Her TV was on that >station while she was being raped, and she was convinced he raped her. It >reasons like this that eye witness testimony should be scrutinized and not >taken at face value. There should always be collaborating facts to back it >up. >Jason > > >From: David Strayer >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony >Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:54:57 -0600 > >Here is a current topic that anticipates an issue that we will be >discussing in a couple of weeks. > >Do you support the death penalty? If so, what evidence would lead you >to recommend the death penalty? > > Texas's death penalty law has become an issue in the presidential >campaign. Both Bush, the Republican > nominee, and Vice President Al Gore support capital punishment. >But Bush, who denies that Texas has > executed an innocent person under current law, also says that >state law guarantees fair trials for defendants in > capital cases and an adequate review by appeals courts and the >Board of Pardons and Paroles. > > James Harrington, the civil rights project's executive director, >said the system is focused on "technical > compliance" with procedures. The question of guilt or innocence >often gets lost, he said. > > In a recent controversial case, Gary Graham was put to death for a >murder during an armed robbery after a > conviction based on testimony from a single witness. Critics said >that she was steered into her identification of > Graham by investigators who showed her a photo array that included >Graham's picture shortly before she > picked him from a lineup. > > ><< ds2144.vcf >> > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From jpix@networld.com Thu Sep 28 21:06:55 2000 From: jpix@networld.com (Jeffrey Pixton) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:06:55 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] court testimony Message-ID: <200009282008.OAA10357@jafo.csbs.utah.edu> I just wanted to say that I was recently a witness for the state. The situation that went to court occurred more than a year ago, yet I was called to the stand and asked to testify to certain specific details in the case. Although I was directly involved as a victim, I found it extremely hard to remember these details, given that so much time had gone by. I found myself persuaded by the attorney's "jogging" of my memory and relayed the details as best remembered, but I still think that I could have done a better job if court occurred more closely to the time of the occurance of the situation. I think details tend to fade as time passes. How reliable is that in court, in general? ********************************* Get your free E-Mail and Homepage Go to http://www.networld.com ********************************* From sweetfogs@hotmail.com Thu Sep 28 21:42:15 2000 From: sweetfogs@hotmail.com (Jaimie Cogswell) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 20:42:15 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] eyewitness testimony Message-ID: I've done a bit of research concerning this topic and of course have read a few articles by Elizabeth Loftus who has done tons of research concerning this issue. These are some of the reasons I found that eyewitness testimony isn't that great. 1. How much attention was the eyewintessing actually using? When they saw the event, crime, etc, what else were they doing? Talking on the cell phone? Driving? REading? Balancing their checkbook? etc 2. How stressful was the event? Was it a simple candy bar being shoplifted or was it a high drama, dangerous, gun-in-the-head event that may affect the eyewitness emotionally? 3. Questioning style by interviewer. Were leading questions used? Did they fill out a questionairre? Were open-ended questions used? These have huge influence on eyewitness answers. Loftus studied this in great detail. 4. How much time delay was there between the initial event and the initial questioning, or how much time delay was there between initial questioning and then re-questioning? Research done by Brewer et al. 1999 (sorry, I can't remember the other authors off the top of my head at the moment) did a study concerning this effect and found that time delay influences the accuracy of memory in eyewitnesses tremendously...someone mentioned that this happened to him on the message board. 5. Personal biases of the eyewitness can influence their perception of the event. Is this person a "drama queen" or does this eyewitness tend to underplay events. My mother has told me that I tend to downplay how sick I am when I'm actually really sick...these factors matter. There are several other minute little details that can influence an eyewitness's perception of the event, recall of the event, accuracy of their memory. It's a huge topic and until we understand it better, it's scary to think that we can execute people on the basis of one eyewitness. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From yellekb@yahoo.com Fri Sep 29 00:11:29 2000 From: yellekb@yahoo.com (kelly stucki) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:11:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony Message-ID: <20000928231129.27322.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com> My thoughts on the death penalty are that i am for it. Yes I agree that sometimes people are found guilty when in actuality they are innocent. I am taking a criminology class this semester and it has some interesting insights on the death penalty. We watched a film called murder one and one of the inmates on death row was talking about dying as a punishment. He had murdered 6 people and had raped a girl repeatedly and then killed her too. His thoughts were that death did not deter crime. But death penalty to me is not just about detering crime, but also about punishment. If someone does something wrong then they need to be punished. The problem is, is that the american judicial system is not fast enough. Most death penalty inmates are on death row for at leat 12 years. If this kind of punishment is going to work then it needs to be swift and just. Kelly Stucki #00165065 --- Jason Logsdon wrote: > I agree with the death penalty but I think it should > only be used when there > is a lot of evidence supporting it. It is too easy > to lead eye witnesses > through suggestive questions. Our minds are so > flexible that if questioned > enough, we will start to see the event differently, > based on the questions > asked. Our memories can also be influenced by > tramatic events. In the > past, some victims of violent crimes have associated > their attacker with who > ever their focus was on the time. For example, one > woman was convinced that > a man running for the government raped her. It > turned out that as she was > being raped, he was doing a press conference on TV. > Her TV was on that > station while she was being raped, and she was > convinced he raped her. It > reasons like this that eye witness testimony should > be scrutinized and not > taken at face value. There should always be > collaborating facts to back it > up. > Jason > > > From: David Strayer > Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > Subject: [Psych3120] The death penalty and > eyewitness testimony > Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:54:57 -0600 > > Here is a current topic that anticipates an issue > that we will be > discussing in a couple of weeks. > > Do you support the death penalty? If so, what > evidence would lead you > to recommend the death penalty? > > Texas's death penalty law has become an issue > in the presidential > campaign. Both Bush, the Republican > nominee, and Vice President Al Gore support > capital punishment. > But Bush, who denies that Texas has > executed an innocent person under current > law, also says that > state law guarantees fair trials for defendants in > capital cases and an adequate review by > appeals courts and the > Board of Pardons and Paroles. > > James Harrington, the civil rights project's > executive director, > said the system is focused on "technical > compliance" with procedures. The question of > guilt or innocence > often gets lost, he said. > > In a recent controversial case, Gary Graham > was put to death for a > murder during an armed robbery after a > conviction based on testimony from a single > witness. Critics said > that she was steered into her identification of > Graham by investigators who showed her a > photo array that included > Graham's picture shortly before she > picked him from a lineup. > > > << ds2144.vcf >> > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own > public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 ===== STUCKI POWER!!!!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From artemishae@yahoo.com Fri Sep 29 00:19:34 2000 From: artemishae@yahoo.com (Kelly Symes) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:19:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony Message-ID: <20000928231934.11214.qmail@web4203.mail.yahoo.com> This may sound really shallow and maybe even psychopathical in a way but I am totally for capital punishment. I don't feel I as a taxpayer and law abiding citizen need to help contribute the millions of dollars per person, per year to keep some psycho alive so that he can someday get out of prison and commit crimes again. I don't want to have to be responsible, and co-sponsor their lovely lifelong stay at the state pen either. I think people need to be punished for wrong doing and punished severely. Maybe then we wouldn't be such a crime ridden country. Lets make the country a better place for the "good" guys instead of supporting the "bad" ones. --- David Strayer wrote: > Here is a current topic that anticipates an issue > that we will be > discussing in a couple of weeks. > > Do you support the death penalty? If so, what > evidence would lead you > to recommend the death penalty? > > Texas's death penalty law has become an issue > in the presidential > campaign. Both Bush, the Republican > nominee, and Vice President Al Gore support > capital punishment. > But Bush, who denies that Texas has > executed an innocent person under current law, > also says that > state law guarantees fair trials for defendants in > capital cases and an adequate review by > appeals courts and the > Board of Pardons and Paroles. > > James Harrington, the civil rights project's > executive director, > said the system is focused on "technical > compliance" with procedures. The question of > guilt or innocence > often gets lost, he said. > > In a recent controversial case, Gary Graham > was put to death for a > murder during an armed robbery after a > conviction based on testimony from a single > witness. Critics said > that she was steered into her identification of > Graham by investigators who showed her a photo > array that included > Graham's picture shortly before she > picked him from a lineup. > > > > begin:vcard > n:Strayer;David > tel;fax:(801) 581-5841 > tel;home:(801) 364-0654 > tel;work:(801) 581-5037 > x-mozilla-html:TRUE > adr:;;;;;; > version:2.1 > email;internet:strayer@psych.utah.edu > fn:Dave Strayer > end:vcard > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From kw3217@csbs.utah.edu Fri Sep 29 01:02:08 2000 From: kw3217@csbs.utah.edu (Kristin Ward) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:02:08 -700 Subject: [Psych3120] Future Review Sessions Message-ID: <200009282302.RAA04209@meretrix.csbs.utah.edu> Human Cognition Students: Thank you very much for your feedback involving the review session. I will be happy to cover the multiple choice stuff as much as I can at our next review session. I haven't graded the tests yet, but I hope to get them back to you by Tuesday. When I do, I will also look at which area (the multiple choice or essay section) seemed to be more difficult and that's what I'll try to focus on at the next review. If you have any further suggestions, please feel free to email me at kristin.ward@psych.utah.edu. Thanks! Kristin From M.Burchett@m.cc.utah.edu Fri Sep 29 02:04:50 2000 From: M.Burchett@m.cc.utah.edu (Michele Burchett) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:04:50 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony References: <39D2CF21.B10435A1@psych.utah.edu> Message-ID: <39D3EAB2.746E5C46@m.cc.utah.edu> Personally, I am opposed to the death penalty. First of all, it does not deter crime. No criminal commits a crime thinking he or she will be caught. So, any possible punishment for the crime (e.g., the death penalty) is meaningless to them. Second, it does not save money. There are costs associated with keeping them on death row. This can't be cheap. Think of all the extra precautions that must be taken with someone on death row versus a regular, less dangerous criminal. You need higher security, more resources, etc. Not to mention the court costs. Everyone on death row will go through a lengthy appeals process. We typically pay their attorney fees because if you are on death row you are likely to be too poor to pay those fees yourself. Third it is discriminatory. As I said, if you are on death row, you are likely to be poor. You are also likely to be a minority and be male. The same violent offender, if white or wealthy, is less likely to end up on death row. On logical grounds, it doesn't make sense to argue that in order to demonstrate that killing is wrong, we as a society will kill all those who kill. On moral grounds, it is just plain wrong to kill. I can't think of a single religion which doesn't have a prohibition against killing. Even if you aren't a member of a particular religion, you are a member of a society which adheres to this principle. (And, yes, I will concede that there are exceptions--such as war, or self-defense-- to this, but we won't explore them now as this is not an ethics class) Not to mention the fact that most people end up on death row thanks to eye witness testimony. As we discussed, this testimony is likely to be inaccurate, but it is so emotionally compelling that it is taken as the truth. Who knows how many people are on death row thanks to flawed, if not downright incorrect, testimony? How can we justify taking an innocent life? Would we really rather see an innocent person die than a guilty one live? Well, I'm sure you've had enough by now, so I will get off my soap box. But, I will say that until we solve the myriad of problems with the death penalty, we should think long and hard before using it. From listonbr@yahoo.com Fri Sep 29 02:32:43 2000 From: listonbr@yahoo.com (s.brandon liston) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:32:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony Message-ID: <20000929013243.20941.qmail@web205.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1597322404-970191163=:15464 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In my research methods class I took the oppertunity to do my RX on project on The accuracy and recall of eyewitness testimony. I learned in almost every article and study that the accuracy dealing with violent crimes depending on the degree and the type of crime, that accuracy as average was no greater than a combined 17% again this varies, and the type of crime that I am reffering to is homicide. There was a lot of influence in most of the testimonies that interigators and police actually influence, by using very subtle sayings, such as now he had a black shirt on right, all this plays into the recall of a witnesses testimony. Since the event was probably bad enough for the person recalling it is not easy either, and often times our own thoughts and desires play a dangerous role in eyewitness testimony. liston 00154324 The Gleim's wrote: I agree with you Jason that our minds are flexible enough to start to see an event differently. I think it is kind of crazy that to this day the general public views eyewitness testimony as almost infallable. I wonder how much longer it will be used to incriminate people unjustly. It really seems ridiculous that so many studies have disproved the effectiveness of eyewitness testimony, yet it's not only still used, but often revered as the most important evidence in a case. Heather Gleim 00067221 -----Original Message----- From: Jason Logsdon To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Date: Thursday, September 28, 2000 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony >I agree with the death penalty but I think it should only be used when there >is a lot of evidence supporting it. It is too easy to lead eye witnesses >through suggestive questions. Our minds are so flexible that if questioned >enough, we will start to see the event differently, based on the questions >asked. Our memories can also be influenced by tramatic events. In the >past, some victims of violent crimes have associated their attacker with who >ever their focus was on the time. For example, one woman was convinced that >a man running for the government raped her. It turned out that as she was >being raped, he was doing a press conference on TV. Her TV was on that >station while she was being raped, and she was convinced he raped her. It >reasons like this that eye witness testimony should be scrutinized and not >taken at face value. There should always be collaborating facts to back it >up. >Jason > > >From: David Strayer >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony >Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:54:57 -0600 > >Here is a current topic that anticipates an issue that we will be >discussing in a couple of weeks. > >Do you support the death penalty? If so, what evidence would lead you >to recommend the death penalty? > > Texas's death penalty law has become an issue in the presidential >campaign. Both Bush, the Republican > nominee, and Vice President Al Gore support capital punishment. >But Bush, who denies that Texas has > executed an innocent person under current law, also says that >state law guarantees fair trials for defendants in > capital cases and an adequate review by appeals courts and the >Board of Pardons and Paroles. > > James Harrington, the civil rights project's executive director, >said the system is focused on "technical > compliance" with procedures. The question of guilt or innocence >often gets lost, he said. > > In a recent controversial case, Gary Graham was put to death for a >murder during an armed robbery after a > conviction based on testimony from a single witness. Critics said >that she was steered into her identification of > Graham by investigators who showed her a photo array that included >Graham's picture shortly before she > picked him from a lineup. > > ><< ds2144.vcf >> > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! --0-1597322404-970191163=:15464 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

In my research methods class I took the oppertunity to do my RX on project on The accuracy and recall of eyewitness testimony. I learned in almost every article and study that the accuracy dealing with violent crimes depending on the degree and the type of crime, that accuracy as average was no greater than a combined 17% again this varies, and the type of crime that I am reffering to is homicide. There was a lot of influence in most of the testimonies that interigators and police actually influence, by using very subtle sayings, such as now he had a black shirt on right, all this plays into the recall of a witnesses testimony. Since the event was probably bad enough for the person recalling it is not easy either, and often times our own thoughts and desires play a dangerous role in eyewitness testimony.

liston 00154324 

 

 


 

  The Gleim's <gleim@uswest.net> wrote:

I agree with you Jason that our minds are flexible enough to start to see
an event differently. I think it is kind of crazy that to this day the
general
public views eyewitness testimony as almost infallable.
I wonder how much longer it will be used to incriminate people
unjustly. It really seems ridiculous that so many studies have
disproved the effectiveness of eyewitness testimony, yet it's not only
still used, but often revered as the most important evidence in a case.

Heather Gleim 00067221


-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Logsdon
To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu
Date: Thursday, September 28, 2000 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony


>I agree with the death penalty but I think it should only be used when
there
>is a lot of evidence supporting it. It is too easy to lead eye witnesses
>through suggestive questions. Our minds are so flexible that if questioned
>enough, we will start to see the event differently, based on the questions
>asked. Our memories can also be influenced by tramatic events. In the
>past, some victims of violent crimes have associated their attacker with
who
>ever their focus was on the time. For example, one woman was convinced
that
>a man running for the government raped her. It turned out that as she was
>being raped, he was doing a press conference on TV. Her TV was on that
>station while she was being raped, and she was convinced he raped her. It
>reasons like this that eye witness testimony should be scrutinized and not
>taken at face value. There should always be collaborating facts to back it
>up.
>Jason
>
>
>From: David Strayer
>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu
>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu
>Subject: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony
>Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:54:57 -0600
>
>Here is a current topic that anticipates an issue that we will be
>discussing in a couple of weeks.
>
>Do you support the death penalty? If so, what evidence would lead you
>to recommend the death penalty?
>
> Texas's death penalty law has become an issue in the presidential
>campaign. Both Bush, the Republican
> nominee, and Vice President Al Gore support capital punishment.
>But Bush, who denies that Texas has
> executed an innocent person under current law, also says that
>state law guarantees fair trials for defendants in
> capital cases and an adequate review by appeals courts and the
>Board of Pardons and Paroles.
>
> James Harrington, the civil rights project's executive director,
>said the system is focused on "technical
> compliance" with procedures. The question of guilt or innocence
>often gets lost, he said.
>
> In a recent controversial case, Gary Graham was put to death for a
>murder during an armed robbery after a
> conviction based on testimony from a single witness. Critics said
>that she was steered into her identification of
> Graham by investigators who showed her a photo array that included
>Graham's picture shortly before she
> picked him from a lineup.
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Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! --0-1597322404-970191163=:15464-- From lauraebarron@hotmail.com Fri Sep 29 16:10:21 2000 From: lauraebarron@hotmail.com (laura barron) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 09:10:21 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony Message-ID: i agree with the opinion that the death penalty is a good thing. i think that if a person has proven to be a nuisance to society and if they feel that they have the right to take another life, they deserve capital punishment. i would rather see them be taken out of society than pay for them to live in prison for the rest of their life. From: Kelly Symes Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: Re: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:19:34 -0700 (PDT) This may sound really shallow and maybe even psychopathical in a way but I am totally for capital punishment. I don't feel I as a taxpayer and law abiding citizen need to help contribute the millions of dollars per person, per year to keep some psycho alive so that he can someday get out of prison and commit crimes again. I don't want to have to be responsible, and co-sponsor their lovely lifelong stay at the state pen either. I think people need to be punished for wrong doing and punished severely. Maybe then we wouldn't be such a crime ridden country. Lets make the country a better place for the "good" guys instead of supporting the "bad" ones. --- David Strayer wrote: > Here is a current topic that anticipates an issue > that we will be > discussing in a couple of weeks. > > Do you support the death penalty? If so, what > evidence would lead you > to recommend the death penalty? > > Texas's death penalty law has become an issue > in the presidential > campaign. Both Bush, the Republican > nominee, and Vice President Al Gore support > capital punishment. > But Bush, who denies that Texas has > executed an innocent person under current law, > also says that > state law guarantees fair trials for defendants in > capital cases and an adequate review by > appeals courts and the > Board of Pardons and Paroles. > > James Harrington, the civil rights project's > executive director, > said the system is focused on "technical > compliance" with procedures. The question of > guilt or innocence > often gets lost, he said. > > In a recent controversial case, Gary Graham > was put to death for a > murder during an armed robbery after a > conviction based on testimony from a single > witness. Critics said > that she was steered into her identification of > Graham by investigators who showed her a photo > array that included > Graham's picture shortly before she > picked him from a lineup. > > > > begin:vcard > n:Strayer;David > tel;fax:(801) 581-5841 > tel;home:(801) 364-0654 > tel;work:(801) 581-5037 > x-mozilla-html:TRUE > adr:;;;;;; > version:2.1 > email;internet:strayer@psych.utah.edu > fn:Dave Strayer > end:vcard > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From amark2@uswest.net Fri Sep 29 17:15:13 2000 From: amark2@uswest.net (mark archibald) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 10:15:13 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony References: <39D2CF21.B10435A1@psych.utah.edu> Message-ID: <001101c02a30$72ae5b80$12eaa0d8@0017140944> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C029FE.27F259C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am against the death penalty, my position has changed over the years. = I do feel that some murderers deserve to die but it is impossible for = the current system to be equitable to everyone across the board. This = class has shown that even with a good eyewitness mistakes are made, not = to mention race, socioeconomic status, gender. How much justice can you = afford? =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Strayer=20 To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 10:54 PM Subject: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony Here is a current topic that anticipates an issue that we will be = discussing in a couple of weeks.=20 Do you support the death penalty? If so, what evidence would lead you = to recommend the death penalty?=20 Texas's death penalty law has become an issue in the = presidential campaign. Both Bush, the Republican=20 nominee, and Vice President Al Gore support capital punishment. = But Bush, who denies that Texas has=20 executed an innocent person under current law, also says that = state law guarantees fair trials for defendants in=20 capital cases and an adequate review by appeals courts and the = Board of Pardons and Paroles.=20 James Harrington, the civil rights project's executive director, = said the system is focused on "technical=20 compliance" with procedures. The question of guilt or innocence = often gets lost, he said.=20 In a recent controversial case, Gary Graham was put to death for = a murder during an armed robbery after a=20 conviction based on testimony from a single witness. Critics = said that she was steered into her identification of=20 Graham by investigators who showed her a photo array that = included Graham's picture shortly before she=20 picked him from a lineup.=20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C029FE.27F259C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am against the death penalty, my = position has=20 changed over the years. I do feel that some murderers deserve to die but = it is=20 impossible for the current system to be equitable to everyone across the = board.=20 This class has shown that even with a good eyewitness mistakes are made, = not to=20 mention race, socioeconomic status, gender. How much justice can you=20 afford?  
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Here is a current topic that anticipates an issue that = we will=20 be discussing in a couple of weeks.=20

Do you support the death penalty?  If so, what evidence = would lead=20 you to recommend the death penalty?=20

      Texas's death penalty law has become = an=20 issue in the presidential campaign. Both Bush, the Republican=20
      nominee, and Vice President Al Gore = support=20 capital punishment. But Bush, who denies that Texas has=20
      executed an innocent person under = current=20 law, also says that state law guarantees fair trials for defendants in =
      capital cases and an adequate = review by=20 appeals courts and the Board of Pardons and Paroles.=20

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------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C029FE.27F259C0-- From Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com Fri Sep 29 17:18:23 2000 From: Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com (Leonard.Cancel@ahplans.com) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 10:18:23 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony Message-ID: Answering this question is very difficult. My opinion on the dealth penalty has become ambivalent due to recent knowledge of innocent individuals being executed in the past several years. In most of those instantances, they were based on questionable or cohearsed testimony from eye witnesses, which is really frightening! Bush not recognizing that it occurs in Texas exemplifies his lack of talent in dealing honestly with issues. Texas, by far, has executed more humans than any other state in this country and that number continues to increase. This example (and many others) makes me question his capabilities as President. If he refuses to acknowledge facts, will he respond in similar fashion on serious issues, while being President? Leonard Cancel #00180520 >---------- >From: kelly stucki[SMTP:yellekb@yahoo.com] >Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 5:11 PM >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Re: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony > >My thoughts on the death penalty are that i am for it. > Yes I agree that sometimes people are found guilty >when in actuality they are innocent. I am taking a >criminology class this semester and it has some >interesting insights on the death penalty. We watched >a film called murder one and one of the inmates on >death row was talking about dying as a punishment. He >had murdered 6 people and had raped a girl repeatedly >and then killed her too. His thoughts were that death >did not deter crime. But death penalty to me is not >just about detering crime, but also about punishment. >If someone does something wrong then they need to be >punished. The problem is, is that the american >judicial system is not fast enough. Most death >penalty inmates are on death row for at leat 12 years. > If this kind of punishment is going to work then it >needs to be swift and just. >Kelly Stucki >#00165065 >--- Jason Logsdon wrote: >> I agree with the death penalty but I think it should >> only be used when there >> is a lot of evidence supporting it. It is too easy >> to lead eye witnesses >> through suggestive questions. Our minds are so >> flexible that if questioned >> enough, we will start to see the event differently, >> based on the questions >> asked. Our memories can also be influenced by >> tramatic events. In the >> past, some victims of violent crimes have associated >> their attacker with who >> ever their focus was on the time. For example, one >> woman was convinced that >> a man running for the government raped her. It >> turned out that as she was >> being raped, he was doing a press conference on TV. >> Her TV was on that >> station while she was being raped, and she was >> convinced he raped her. It >> reasons like this that eye witness testimony should >> be scrutinized and not >> taken at face value. There should always be >> collaborating facts to back it >> up. >> Jason >> >> >> From: David Strayer >> Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >> To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >> Subject: [Psych3120] The death penalty and >> eyewitness testimony >> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:54:57 -0600 >> >> Here is a current topic that anticipates an issue >> that we will be >> discussing in a couple of weeks. >> >> Do you support the death penalty? If so, what >> evidence would lead you >> to recommend the death penalty? >> >> Texas's death penalty law has become an issue >> in the presidential >> campaign. Both Bush, the Republican >> nominee, and Vice President Al Gore support >> capital punishment. >> But Bush, who denies that Texas has >> executed an innocent person under current >> law, also says that >> state law guarantees fair trials for defendants in >> capital cases and an adequate review by >> appeals courts and the >> Board of Pardons and Paroles. >> >> James Harrington, the civil rights project's >> executive director, >> said the system is focused on "technical >> compliance" with procedures. The question of >> guilt or innocence >> often gets lost, he said. >> >> In a recent controversial case, Gary Graham >> was put to death for a >> murder during an armed robbery after a >> conviction based on testimony from a single >> witness. Critics said >> that she was steered into her identification of >> Graham by investigators who showed her a >> photo array that included >> Graham's picture shortly before she >> picked him from a lineup. >> >> >> << ds2144.vcf >> >> >> >_________________________________________________________________________ >> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >> http://www.hotmail.com. >> >> Share information about yourself, create your own >> public profile at >> http://profiles.msn.com. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Psych3120 mailing list >> Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >> http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > >===== >STUCKI POWER!!!!! > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! >http://photos.yahoo.com/ > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From jsd1022@yahoo.com Fri Sep 29 19:48:51 2000 From: jsd1022@yahoo.com (J Doonan) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 11:48:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony Message-ID: <20000929184851.2972.qmail@web9208.mail.yahoo.com> I have had the opportunity in other classes to read several articles by Elizabeth Loftus, who has studied reconstructive memory extensively. I believe based on the information I've learned that the human mind is not always very accurate, especially is someone has been exposed to leading questions. I support the death penalty and I think that there are too many people who have been sitting on death row too long awaiting execution, but I do not believe life or death decisions should solely be based on a person's memory. --- David Strayer wrote: > Here is a current topic that anticipates an issue > that we will be > discussing in a couple of weeks. > > Do you support the death penalty? If so, what > evidence would lead you > to recommend the death penalty? > > Texas's death penalty law has become an issue > in the presidential > campaign. Both Bush, the Republican > nominee, and Vice President Al Gore support > capital punishment. > But Bush, who denies that Texas has > executed an innocent person under current law, > also says that > state law guarantees fair trials for defendants in > capital cases and an adequate review by > appeals courts and the > Board of Pardons and Paroles. > > James Harrington, the civil rights project's > executive director, > said the system is focused on "technical > compliance" with procedures. The question of > guilt or innocence > often gets lost, he said. > > In a recent controversial case, Gary Graham > was put to death for a > murder during an armed robbery after a > conviction based on testimony from a single > witness. Critics said > that she was steered into her identification of > Graham by investigators who showed her a photo > array that included > Graham's picture shortly before she > picked him from a lineup. > > > > begin:vcard > n:Strayer;David > tel;fax:(801) 581-5841 > tel;home:(801) 364-0654 > tel;work:(801) 581-5037 > x-mozilla-html:TRUE > adr:;;;;;; > version:2.1 > email;internet:strayer@psych.utah.edu > fn:Dave Strayer > end:vcard > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From CatherineW123@aol.com Fri Sep 29 22:47:45 2000 From: CatherineW123@aol.com (CatherineW123@aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:47:45 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] multi-tasks Message-ID: From CatherineW123@aol.com Fri Sep 29 22:49:33 2000 From: CatherineW123@aol.com (CatherineW123@aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:49:33 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] multi-tasks Message-ID: Oooppss I just sent a half finished message...sorry. Anyways even if you know the route home from work very well there are always un-predicted things like a child running in the road, a traffic jam or someone slamming on their brakes that you have to respond to. From CatherineW123@aol.com Fri Sep 29 22:53:37 2000 From: CatherineW123@aol.com (CatherineW123@aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:53:37 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony Message-ID: <10.2e80a28.27066961@aol.com> I am totally against the death penalty...so I cannot think of any evidence for it. From jpix@networld.com Fri Sep 29 22:51:06 2000 From: jpix@networld.com (Jeffrey Pixton) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 15:51:06 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] death penalty Message-ID: <200009292152.PAA07989@jafo.csbs.utah.edu> Has anyone ever heard that the death penalty actually influences an increase in crime? In a sociology class I took this spring, the professor said that a study was conducted in California (?) over seven years which examined what happened in society as the result of executions. It turns out that the Saturdays after the executions recorded the highest crime rates all year long. If the death penalty is supposed to be a deterrent of crime, then why does the crime rate increase sharply immediately after an execution? I am a bit off of the subject, but I thought this was an interesting fact. Natalie Janovak ********************************* Get your free E-Mail and Homepage Go to http://www.networld.com ********************************* From CatherineW123@aol.com Fri Sep 29 23:01:49 2000 From: CatherineW123@aol.com (CatherineW123@aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 18:01:49 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony Message-ID: <5d.148592c.27066b4d@aol.com> I don't think that the death penalty is a good form of "punishment" as you suggested. I think it is hypocritical to sentence someone to death because they killed someone else. I think killing is morally wrong for any reason (war, death penalty etc.). It costs just as much money to keep someone in prison for life as to put them to death. By keeping them in prison for life we can make them do community service and labor which helps give something back to the community. Putting them to death does not punish them at all, living in jail with all the horrors of jail is a better punishment I think. From CatherineW123@aol.com Fri Sep 29 23:02:57 2000 From: CatherineW123@aol.com (CatherineW123@aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 18:02:57 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony Message-ID: Its costs just as much money to put someone to death as it does to keep them in prison for their entire life. From CatherineW123@aol.com Fri Sep 29 23:07:00 2000 From: CatherineW123@aol.com (CatherineW123@aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 18:07:00 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] death penalty Message-ID: I have heard this in another class also. I do not think that the death penalty is a good deterrent of crime because it does not act swiftly. From Mad4madimac@aol.com Sat Sep 30 00:25:11 2000 From: Mad4madimac@aol.com (Mad4madimac@aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 19:25:11 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony Message-ID: <30.accddaf.27067ed7@aol.com> It is interesting to me to think that someone costs as much to put to death as to keep them alive. Are their statistics to show this or is this just a guess? Prisons are very expensive to keep going. Madison From Mad4madimac@aol.com Sat Sep 30 00:27:48 2000 From: Mad4madimac@aol.com (Mad4madimac@aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 19:27:48 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony Message-ID: <76.3748930.27067f74@aol.com> I agree with you Jason. I think there are crimes that should be dealt with in this way. Madison #00155404 From Mad4madimac@aol.com Sat Sep 30 00:29:22 2000 From: Mad4madimac@aol.com (Mad4madimac@aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 19:29:22 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony Message-ID: <4f.174b8b3.27067fd2@aol.com> I meant to add also that other evidence is very important in these cases. There is so many more powerful tools that they can use today. Madison #00155404 From Mad4madimac@aol.com Sat Sep 30 00:32:11 2000 From: Mad4madimac@aol.com (Mad4madimac@aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 19:32:11 EDT Subject: [Psych3120] Cell phones and driving Message-ID: <4a.b837db1.2706807b@aol.com> I agree, I get so tired of all the regulations we have forced on use today. The children around the neighborhood where helmets and knee guards for everything, pretty soon we'll have to wear them in our cars. Madison #00155404 From alexispaulos@hotmail.com Sat Sep 30 01:21:20 2000 From: alexispaulos@hotmail.com (Alexis Paulos) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 18:21:20 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] Death Penalty Message-ID: I personally do not agree with the death penalty. It actually costs more money than keeping prisoners in a jail. I also think that eye witness is a horrible way to identify criminals, how accurate can our memories actually be during a traumatic and terrifying event plus adding on the factor of time. I just don't think it can be accurate enough and it is a horrible thing when an innocent person is put in prison. However I do understand how people who have had family or friends murdered, they could desire retaliation. In fact last semester I had a criminology class and we were debating the death penalty issue; a girl in the class sister was murdered by her boy friend and she was explaining how badly she wanted him killed for taking her sisters life. I guess you cant actually know until you are there, meaning that for many people it is more than an economic issue it is a personal issue. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From gtalebreza@shoutmail.com Sat Sep 30 01:52:17 2000 From: gtalebreza@shoutmail.com (Gloria Talebreza) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:52:17 -0700 Subject: [Psych3120] Death penalty Message-ID: <200009300052.RAA12901@unix6.electriclighthouse.com> It is interesting how inmates on death row in our country often claim that death as a punishment does not deter crime. Someone commented that the reason for this is the slow process of carrying out the punishment. In other countries, for example, the punishment follows immediately after the verdict, and the method they use to put the criminal to death can be just a grusome as the crime committed. Not to mention that many times it is done in public arenas. This has been shown to have an effect on crime rate. Just a thought, do we give to many "rights" to criminals? ______________________________________________________________________ Shoutmail.com - Send a voice email, go to http://shoutmail.com/instant From garffdog@hotmail.com Sat Sep 30 03:15:48 2000 From: garffdog@hotmail.com (matt garff) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 20:15:48 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] death penalty Message-ID: The Death Penalty may not deter crime in others, but to the guy in the chair, it IS a deterrent MATT GARFF 00144838 >From: "Jeffrey Pixton" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] death penalty >Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 15:51:06 -0600 > >Has anyone ever heard that the death penalty actually influences an >increase in crime? In a sociology class I took this spring, the >professor said that a study was conducted in California (?) over seven >years which examined what happened in society as the result of >executions. It turns out that the Saturdays after the executions >recorded the highest crime rates all year long. If the death penalty >is supposed to be a deterrent of crime, then why does the crime rate >increase sharply immediately after an execution? I am a bit off of the >subject, but I thought this was an interesting fact. >Natalie Janovak > > > > >********************************* >Get your free E-Mail and Homepage >Go to http://www.networld.com >********************************* > > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jonnyutah@mindspring.com Sat Sep 30 04:37:23 2000 From: jonnyutah@mindspring.com (Jon Lindberg) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 21:37:23 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Court Testimony References: <200009282008.OAA10357@jafo.csbs.utah.edu> Message-ID: <39D55FF3.A4FB5306@mindspring.com> I, too was called as a witness to testify in a trial where I witnessed three individuals breaking into cars in my complex parking lot stealing stereo systems and CD's. Now, this occurred in the late evening, and I could only make out three figures breaking into my car. Although they were convicted, the defense attorney asked me straight out "Are these the the individuals that you saw breaking into your car?" and I answered that I couldn't make out facial features due to the darkness. He asked me the same question once again and I could only answer yes or no and not provide specifics. I had to answer no because I couldn't actually SEE them, only the three silhouettes. Thank heavens they had twenty stereos and roughly four hundred CD's in their car, or else my testimony would have caused these guys to walk. Also, in the time that it took for the case to go to trial, one of them had lost weight, the other grew out his hair, and the other shaved his head, thereby throwing off any details that may have been remembered by any witnesses called to the stand. Jeffrey Pixton wrote: > I just wanted to say that I was recently a witness for the state. The > situation that went to court occurred more than a year ago, yet I was > called to the stand and asked to testify to certain specific details in > the case. Although I was directly involved as a victim, I found it > extremely hard to remember these details, given that so much time had > gone by. I found myself persuaded by the attorney's "jogging" of my > memory and relayed the details as best remembered, but I still think > that I could have done a better job if court occurred more closely to > the time of the occurance of the situation. I think details tend to > fade as time passes. How reliable is that in court, in general? > > ********************************* > Get your free E-Mail and Homepage > Go to http://www.networld.com > ********************************* > > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 From garffdog@hotmail.com Sat Sep 30 05:52:44 2000 From: garffdog@hotmail.com (matt garff) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 22:52:44 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] new study guide Message-ID: I found some of the response to question 4 in the text book beginning on page 104. Brown and Peterson would have subjects try and remember a 3 letter stimulus, then had the subjects count backwords by threes, starting with a certain #. The longer the person counted the less accuracy he had in remembering the 3 letter stimulus. Brown and Peterson concluded that because the distractor exercise was so different than the stimulus(letters vs #s) that it would interfere very little. He concluded that the longer a stimulus stayed in the Short Term memory the more it was forgotten due to decay. Waugh and Norman would have participants listen to a list of 16 digits at various intervals. At the end the subjects would hear a repeat of a previous # which was a cue to list the # that followed it in the original sequence. They found little or no difference between the subjects that heard the list quickly(less time in short term memory) and the ones that heard the list at a slower rate(more time in the short term memory. From this they concluded that it was not the time a stimulus remained in the Short-Term Memory that caused it to be forgotten, it was a function of the number of intervening items competing in the memory system. Or to quote the book "forgeting from short term memory was cused by interference, not simple decay"(105). MATT GARFF 00144838 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From garffdog@hotmail.com Sat Sep 30 05:56:04 2000 From: garffdog@hotmail.com (matt garff) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 22:56:04 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] question 5 on the study guide Message-ID: I found information about serial position effects(referring to question 5 on the new study guide) on page 109 of the text. As of yet, I don't understand it well enough to make an interpretation, but I thought I'd give y'all a heads up. MATT GARFF 00144838 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From gleim@uswest.net Sat Sep 30 05:53:11 2000 From: gleim@uswest.net (The Gleim's) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 22:53:11 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony Message-ID: <002401c02a9a$5694dae0$cf6ae03f@gliem> I agree with you that it's hypocrytical to sentence someone to death for killing someone else. That logic is like a parent spanking their child and yelling at them to be nice. It just doesn't work to preach against something and then do it yourself. In regard to eyewitness testimony, this vicious cycle could go out of control as people tend to percieve the "bad guys" as a certain stereotype. We could be inadvertantly sentencing innocent individuals because we expect them to have done something wrong. Not to spark a sociological debate but.... I think we are more likely to "remember" seeing, for example, a minority in a criminal act than a member of the majority. Heather Gleim 00067221 -----Original Message----- From: CatherineW123@aol.com To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Date: Friday, September 29, 2000 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [Psych3120] The death penalty and eyewitness testimony >I don't think that the death penalty is a good form of "punishment" as you >suggested. I think it is hypocritical to sentence someone to death because >they killed someone else. I think killing is morally wrong for any reason >(war, death penalty etc.). It costs just as much money to keep someone in >prison for life as to put them to death. By keeping them in prison for life >we can make them do community service and labor which helps give something >back to the community. Putting them to death does not punish them at all, >living in jail with all the horrors of jail is a better punishment I think. > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > From cstorms29@hotmail.com Sat Sep 30 12:05:57 2000 From: cstorms29@hotmail.com (CAROLYN STORMS) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 11:05:57 GMT Subject: [Psych3120] Reading Articles Message-ID: I would just like to say that I found the readings for next week upsetting, to say the least. I hope I never have to do radiation therapy, and I've always been very much against nuclear power plants. Now I have graphic information to back up why. Any other thoughts on those articles? Carolyn Storms 00040181 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From brockbeattie@yahoo.com Sat Sep 30 15:47:04 2000 From: brockbeattie@yahoo.com (Brock Beattie) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 07:47:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Cell Phones and ksl Message-ID: <20000930144704.19304.qmail@web9608.mail.yahoo.com> On Thursday I was driving home from class and on the radio they were talking about cell phones and the possible laws restricting its use while driving. There are a lot of people really passionate about the use of cell phones. It seemed the overall consensus was that it would be alright to have a law requesting the use of the hands off phone. Most people believe that this will help but from what has been said in class this is really not the answer. It seems we are not the only ones interested in this topic. It will interesting to see what happens this next legislative session. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From E.J.Dickerson@m.cc.utah.edu Sat Sep 30 19:14:26 2000 From: E.J.Dickerson@m.cc.utah.edu (E.J.Dickerson@m.cc.utah.edu) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 12:14:26 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Psych3120] eyewitness testimony Message-ID: <20000930181426.28FCE51D73@dorothy.ks.cc.utah.edu> Convicting a criminal of murder from evidence of eyewitness testimony shouldn't be evidence enough to receive a death sentence. Life should not terminated on the basis of what one person seems to recall. Especially when witnesses and prosecutors are giving subtle hints to lead the witness in recalling past events in a way that will support their case. Therefore, I believe that the death penalty shouldn't be given unless there is hard physical evidence that ensures that the accused is truly guilty. It seems as though our judicial system has become blind to the short comings the process of law has. Sentencing someone to die because of what one single person claims they saw is ridiculous. From mattdhubby@hotmail.com Sat Sep 30 21:32:44 2000 From: mattdhubby@hotmail.com (matt wilson) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 14:32:44 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] attention Message-ID: I have a hypothetical question. If the theories about the relativity of attention and performance are correct, would it be possible to perform as many as say ten tasks at once with enough pratice? As the instructor explained, in the studies that were made the subjects who had practice at a certian task, and were able to make that task automatic, were able to perform another task at the same time without focusing more than a slight amount of their attention on the task that had become automatic. I do not doubt that we have the ability to perform a number of tasks simultaneously with practice, but what exactly is our limit? Can we actually increase the amount of tasks we can perform constantly simply by practicing them? That was just a question I had pop into my mind that I thought was very interesting, and wanted to pose it all to you. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From wilson624@hotmail.com Sat Sep 30 21:51:15 2000 From: wilson624@hotmail.com (alanna wilson) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 14:51:15 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] eye witness testimony Message-ID: From what I had always known about eye witness testimony, I always thought it was pretty reliable. Recently I have wondered if this is possibly not true. What is it about our attenion and memory that fades so quickly? Wouldn't you think that if something is of drastic importance that you will probably remeber it pretty clearly? I don't think that any conviction should be based solely on one eye witness testimony. Many times people are revengeful or afraid so they alter what they saw. If a person is convicted on several eye witnesses who testified of exactly the same thing then I see nothing wrong with that. Why do we forget so easily the things we see or hear? Why is it so common for eye witnesses to change their testimonies later on down the road? Does time fade their memory or did they never really know anything to begin with? Sometimes people will view something and twist what they see based upon bias, representation or experience in their own lives. We often get our own interpretation out of things that clearly have only one interpreation. Is there any way to fix the problem with eye witness testimonies? Can we better our memory and attention in stressful, frightening situations? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From tkulio@hotmail.com Sat Sep 30 22:34:14 2000 From: tkulio@hotmail.com (Theresa Kulikowski) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 15:34:14 MDT Subject: [Psych3120] death penalty Message-ID: >From: "Jeffrey Pixton" >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] death penalty >Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 15:51:06 -0600 > >Has anyone ever heard that the death penalty actually influences an >increase in crime? In a sociology class I took this spring, the >professor said that a study was conducted in California (?) over seven >years which examined what happened in society as the result of >executions. It turns out that the Saturdays after the executions >recorded the highest crime rates all year long. If the death penalty >is supposed to be a deterrent of crime, then why does the crime rate >increase sharply immediately after an execution? I am a bit off of the >subject, but I thought this was an interesting fact. >Natalie Janovak > > > > >********************************* >Get your free E-Mail and Homepage >Go to http://www.networld.com >********************************* > > > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 I am completely against the death penalty. I don't see the point in killing someone for killing. I believe they need to be punished for what they do, but i also like to think that there are reasons why people do what they do. Most of us are psych majors and should realize the influence of family and life experience on people, as well as biological means. I am not saying that these people are justified for killing, but they are human beings with feelings as well. we tend to look at them as animals that we can just kill off b/c they are good for nothing. There should be counseling in prisons (if there isn't already) and other ways to solve these problems than by simply committing the act of murder in order to stop further acts of murder. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.