From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Fri Sep 1 04:15:05 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Jennie Ruff) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:15:05 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Atmospheric Perspective Message-ID: Hello all, my name is Jennie. I was absolutely fascinated by question 8 in chapter three of our book. While driving around the valley here, which is where I've lived most of my life, I've sometimes noticed that the trees and foliage on the mountains, and sometimes the mountains themselves, look like tiny little models of real trees seen up close. Question 8 deals with just such a situation and I thought it was interesting to finally know that I'm not insanely fanciful and that this effect probably had something to do with atmospheric perspective. I'm curious about two things; one, has anyone else ever noticed this particular effect and two, from the readings and class discussions, can anyone else think of another reason for this visual effect? Other than that we might be living in a scale model built by giants ;) From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Fri Sep 1 04:27:09 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Kim Endersen) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:27:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] More crazy facts about the eye Message-ID: <20060901032709.35736.qmail@web35303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --0-1293599733-1157081229=:35417 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm an optician in an optometrist's office, so the lecture the other day on how the eyes work was really interesting to me. I just wanted to add a couple other interesting things and a really gross story. First, one of the most interesting methods of vision correction is called monovision. Monovision is where a patient wears two different strength contact lenses; one for distance, for for near vision. This is for presbyopes who don't want to wear bifocals. (presbyopia means literally "old eyes' in latin). One would think that wearing one contact for near and one for distance would make the patient sick, and for some it does, but our office has a really high success rate. Basically, when a patient looks at an object 10 feet away, say a chair, the right eye (which is usually for distance) sees the chair clearly and sends the information onto the brain to process. The left eye (which is usually for near vision) sees the chair as blurry and sends that information along the optic nerve to be processed in the brain. As we learned today, the brain likes to make sense of everything it sees and will disregard or pay less attention to things that don't quite fit. Well, when the blurry and distorted image from the left eye reaches the brain, the brain pretty much disregards it and selects to pay attention to the information coming in from the right eye, which shows the chair clearly, which fits with the brain's idea of what a chair should look like. This is the best way I can think to explain it. Our professor probably has more insight into this. Secondly, we discussed myopia and hyperopia, or far and nearsightedness. Astigmatism is also a common problem we see. In astigmatism, the light passing through the cornea is split into to points of focus. For those with myopic astigmatism (or nearsightedness w/astigmatism), the light refracted by the cornea splits into two points that fall just before the retina. For those with hyperopic astigmatism (or farsightedness w/astigmatism) the light refracted by the cornea lands in two points just beyond the retina. This is probably more info than was needed, but as it's my job, I think it is very interesting and thougth I'd share some of it. The next story is kind of icky and totally unrelated. About 2 weeks a patient came in claiming that they couldn't get their contact out of their eye and that their eye hurt really bad. The patient's eye was bright red. We sent to her in to see the doctor, and about 5 minutes later, he called for me. I went in, and he had me administer some drops to the patient. I found out after the patient had left that there had been no contact in the patient's eye at all. The patient, thinking they had a contact in their eye, had actually pulled off part of her cornea! --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. --0-1293599733-1157081229=:35417 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I'm an optician in an optometrist's office, so the lecture the other day on how the eyes work was really interesting to me.  I just wanted to add a couple other interesting things and a really gross story.  First, one of the most interesting methods of vision correction is called monovision.  Monovision is where a patient wears two different strength contact lenses; one for distance, for for near vision.  This is for presbyopes who don't want to wear bifocals. (presbyopia means literally "old eyes' in latin).  One would think that wearing one contact for near and one for distance would make the patient sick, and for some it does, but our office has a really high success rate.  Basically, when a patient looks at an object 10 feet away, say a chair, the right eye (which is usually for distance) sees the chair clearly and sends the information onto the brain to process.  The left eye (which is usually for near vision) sees the chair as blurry and sends that information along the optic nerve to be processed in the brain.  As we learned today, the brain likes to make sense of everything it sees and will disregard or pay less attention to things that don't quite fit.  Well, when the blurry and distorted image from the left eye reaches the brain, the brain pretty much disregards it and selects to pay attention to the information coming in from the right eye, which shows the chair clearly, which fits with the brain's idea of what a chair should look like.  This is the best way I can think to explain it.  Our professor probably has more insight into this.  Secondly, we discussed myopia and hyperopia, or far and nearsightedness.  Astigmatism is also a common problem we see.  In astigmatism, the light passing through the cornea is split into to points of focus.  For those with myopic astigmatism (or nearsightedness w/astigmatism), the light refracted by the cornea splits into two points that fall just before the retina.  For those with hyperopic astigmatism (or farsightedness w/astigmatism) the light refracted by the cornea lands in two points just beyond the retina.  This is probably more info than was needed, but as it's my job, I think it is very interesting and thougth I'd share some of it.
 
The next story is kind of icky and totally unrelated.
About 2 weeks a patient came in claiming that they couldn't get their contact out of their eye and that their eye hurt really bad.  The patient's eye was bright red.  We sent to her in to see the doctor, and about 5 minutes later, he called for me.  I went in, and he had me administer some drops to the patient.  I found out after the patient had left that there had been no contact in the patient's eye at all.  The patient, thinking they had a contact in their eye, had actually pulled off part of her cornea!

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C6CE0E.AC7C0BF4-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Fri Sep 1 22:58:56 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Darin Mano) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 15:58:56 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] The Eye Message-ID: <3b4d82fa0609011458u546c216avd45f6fbc0dd507e2@mail.gmail.com> It is really interesting to pull apart the seperate processies the make up vision. It suprises me to think about how complex of a thing vision really is. I have taken some design classes in which we studied the gestalt thories. It is interesting to learn the same things in a different context. In my design class we studied gestalt and how it relates to the design process. Designers need to really understand the gestalt thories in order to make good designs. For example, the use of color, proximity, or similarity as a grouping tool is often a part of many designs. Architecture incorporates the gestalt thoeries in many facets of the design process. For instance, ceiling height can be used to create a heirarchy of spaces. Less important spaces such as hallways and storage rooms might be grouped together by having low ceiling heights. Other, more important, spaces such as entryways and great rooms might be grouped together by having the highest ceilings. This example doesn't deal directly with vision in a single instance, but it is an application of Gestalt thoeries. -- Darin M. Mano From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Fri Sep 1 23:22:45 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Natalie Mitchell) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 16:22:45 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Discussion Message-ID:
 I found the lecture on the eye and perception extremely interesting. What struck me when listening to the lecture and reading Chapter 2, was how little we humans know about our own bodies. When talking to my parents, who are both teachers, their knowledge of the eye appeared to be as limited as mine. It is ironic that many things that we encounter everyday and are common place in our world are only superficially understood. For example, I have horrible eyesight, I wear contacts and glasses everyday, have visited the eye docter on numerous occasions, yet not until Tuesday did I realize that these corrections to my eyesight were due to a eyeball that is not perfectly round.  I believe that we as humans assume we know the inner workings of our bodies and the world yet when put to the test it becomes obvious that this is not the case. It is a shame, because the complexities and workings of the human body cannot be fully appreicated until they are understood.  
From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sat Sep 2 02:42:06 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Paige) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 21:42:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Psych3120] RE: Psych3120 digest, Vol 1 #887 - 3 msgs Message-ID: <20060902014206.CEDAC676E6@mprdmxin.myway.com> --MYWAYBOUNDARY_000__98f32219c2657041ef553c51f5a0abaa Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I loved the lecture the other day on the whole vision and perception deal. So what I want to know is, if the brain just puts what it thinks it sees in our mind, is that why we sometimes see things that aren’t there? To put in better words, when I am scared and it’s dark and I think I see something, is that just my subconscious? Well, I know it’s my subconscious because I know it’s not real, but that type of stuff usually only happens when I am nervous. So when I am nervous and started getting myself scared, my eye start to imagine what my brain is thinking? This is all kind of crazy, and I hope someone can make sense of what I am trying to say. Anyways, I think this whole concept is really amazing, and something I’ve never really thought of before. -Paige Baucom--- On Fri 09/01, < psych3120-request@lists.csbs.utah.edu > wrote: From: [mailto: psych3120-request@lists.csbs.utah.edu]To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.eduDate: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 12:02:33 -0600 (MDT)Subject: Psych3120 digest, Vol 1 #887 - 3 msgsSend Psych3120 mailing list submissions topsych3120@lists.csbs.utah.eduTo subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visithttp://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' topsych3120-request@lists.csbs.utah.eduYou can reach the person managing the list atpsych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.eduWhen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specificthan "Re: Contents of Psych3120 digest..."Today's Topics:1. Delusions (Greg Tripp)2. Atmospheric Perspective (Jennie Ruff)3. 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I for one am VERY interested in the descussions of next week's classes._________________________________________________________________Get real-time traffic reports with Windows Live Local Search http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=42.336065~-109.392273&style=r&lvl=4&scene=3712634&trfc=1--__--__--Message: 2To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.eduFrom: Jennie Ruff Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:15:05 -0600Subject: [Psych3120] Atmospheric PerspectiveReply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.eduHello all, my name is Jennie. I was absolutely fascinated by question 8 in chapter three of our book. While driving around the valley here, which is where I've lived most of my life, I've sometimes noticed that the trees and foliage on the mountains, and sometimes the mountains themselves, look like tiny little models of real trees seen up close. Question 8 deals with just such a situation and I thought it was interesting to finally know that I'm not insanely fanciful and that this effect probably had something to do with atmospheric perspective. I'm curious about two things; one, has anyone else ever noticed this particular effect and two, from the readings and class discussions, can anyone else think of another reason for this visual effect? Other than that we might be living in a scale model built by giants ;) --__--__--Message: 3Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:27:09 -0700 (PDT)From: Kim Endersen To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.eduSubject: [Psych3120] More crazy facts about the eyeReply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu--0-1293599733-1157081229=:35417Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bitI'm an optician in an optometrist's office, so the lecture the other day on how the eyes work was really interesting to me. I just wanted to add a couple other interesting things and a really gross story. First, one of the most interesting methods of vision correction is called monovision. Monovision is where a patient wears two different strength contact lenses; one for distance, for for near vision. This is for presbyopes who don't want to wear bifocals. (presbyopia means literally "old eyes' in latin). One would think that wearing one contact for near and one for distance would make the patient sick, and for some it does, but our office has a really high success rate. Basically, when a patient looks at an object 10 feet away, say a chair, the right eye (which is usually for distance) sees the chair clearly and sends the information onto the brain to process. The left eye (which is usually for near vision) sees the chair as blurry and sends that information alongthe optic nerve to be processed in the brain. As we learned today, the brain likes to make sense of everything it sees and will disregard or pay less attention to things that don't quite fit. Well, when the blurry and distorted image from the left eye reaches the brain, the brain pretty much disregards it and selects to pay attention to the information coming in from the right eye, which shows the chair clearly, which fits with the brain's idea of what a chair should look like. This is the best way I can think to explain it. Our professor probably has more insight into this. Secondly, we discussed myopia and hyperopia, or far and nearsightedness. Astigmatism is also a common problem we see. In astigmatism, the light passing through the cornea is split into to points of focus. For those with myopic astigmatism (or nearsightedness w/astigmatism), the light refracted by the cornea splits into two points that fall just before the retina. For those with hyperopicastigmatism (or farsightedness w/astigmatism) the light refracted by the cornea lands in two points just beyond the retina. This is probably more info than was needed, but as it's my job, I think it is very interesting and thougth I'd share some of it.The next story is kind of icky and totally unrelated.About 2 weeks a patient came in claiming that they couldn't get their contact out of their eye and that their eye hurt really bad. The patient's eye was bright red. We sent to her in to see the doctor, and about 5 minutes later, he called for me. I went in, and he had me administer some drops to the patient. I found out after the patient had left that there had been no contact in the patient's eye at all. The patient, thinking they had a contact in their eye, had actually pulled off part of her cornea!---------------------------------Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business.--0-1293599733-1157081229=:35417Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm an optician in an optometrist's office, so the lecture the other day on how the eyes work was really interesting to me.&nbsp; I just wanted to add a couple other interesting things and a really gross story.&nbsp; First, one of the most interesting methods of vision correction is called monovision.&nbsp; Monovision is where a patient wears two different strength contact lenses; one for distance, for for near vision.&nbsp; This is for presbyopes who don't want to wear bifocals. (presbyopia means&nbsp;literally "old eyes' in latin).&nbsp; One would think that wearing one contact for near and one for distance would make the patient sick, and for some it does, but our office has a really high success rate.&nbsp; Basically, when a patient looks at an object 10 feet away, say a chair, the right eye (which is usually for distance) sees the chair clearly and sends the information onto the brain to process.&nbsp; The left eye (which is usually for near vision) sees the chairas blurry and sends that information along the optic nerve to be processed in the brain.&nbsp; As we learned today, the brain likes to make sense of everything it sees and will disregard or pay less attention to things that don't quite fit.&nbsp; Well, when the blurry&nbsp;and distorted&nbsp;image from the left eye reaches the brain, the brain pretty much disregards it and selects to pay attention to the information coming in from the right eye, which shows the chair clearly, which fits with the brain's idea of what a chair should look like.&nbsp; This is the best way I can think to explain it.&nbsp; Our professor probably has more insight into this.&nbsp; Secondly, we discussed myopia and hyperopia, or far and nearsightedness.&nbsp; Astigmatism is also a common problem we see.&nbsp; In astigmatism, the light passing through the cornea is split into to points of focus.&nbsp; For those with myopic astigmatism (or nearsightedness w/astigmatism), the light refracted by thecornea splits into two points that fall just before the retina.&nbsp; For those with hyperopic astigmatism (or farsightedness w/astigmatism) the light refracted by the cornea lands in two points just beyond the retina.&nbsp; This is probably more info than was needed, but as it's my job, I think it is very interesting and thougth I'd share some of it.&nbsp;The next story is kind of icky and totally unrelated.About 2 weeks a patient came in claiming that they couldn't get their contact out of their eye and that their eye hurt really bad.&nbsp; The patient's eye was bright red.&nbsp; We sent to her in to see the doctor, and about 5 minutes later, he called for me.&nbsp; I went in, and he had me administer some drops to the patient.&nbsp; I found out after the patient had left that there had been no contact in the patient's eye at all.&nbsp; The patient, thinking they had a contact in their eye, had actually pulled off part of hercornea!&#32; Get your own --MYWAYBOUNDARY_000__98f32219c2657041ef553c51f5a0abaa Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I loved the lecture the other day on the whole vision and perception deal. So what I want to know is, if the brain just puts what it thinks it sees in our mind, is that why we sometimes see things that aren’t there? To put in better words, when I am scared and it’s dark and I think I see something, is that just my subconscious? Well, I know it’s my subconscious because I know it’s not real, but that type of stuff usually only happens when I am nervous. So when I am nervous and started getting myself scared, my eye start to imagine what my brain is thinking? This is all kind of crazy, and I hope someone can make sense of what I am trying to say. Anyways, I think this whole concept is really amazing, and something I’ve never really thought of before.

-Paige Baucom







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To: Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:03:03 -0600
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Hi everyone, my name is Greg.

I was very interested when Professor Strayer mentioned in passing on
thursday that delusions are partially a result of improper grouping and
filling in of the blanks. The whole idea of the brain filling in what it
thinks belongs strikes me as a remarkable feat, and for it to usually guess
right makes it more unbelievable. I started wondering how it is that
delusions are not a much more common thing instead of the phenomenon they
are. Are our brains so precise and so fine tuned to the world that we
honestly don't mess things up that often or are we simply able to recover
and hide our mistakes? I for one am VERY interested in the descussions of
next week's classes.

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From: Jennie Ruff
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:15:05 -0600
Subject: [Psych3120] Atmospheric Perspective
Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu

Hello all, my name is Jennie. I was absolutely fascinated by question
8 in chapter three of our book. While driving around the valley here,
which is where I've lived most of my life, I've sometimes noticed
that the trees and foliage on the mountains, and sometimes the
mountains themselves, look like tiny little models of real trees seen
up close. Question 8 deals with just such a situation and I thought
it was interesting to finally know that I'm not insanely fanciful and
that this effect probably had something to do with atmospheric
perspective. I'm curious about two things; one, has anyone else ever
noticed this particular effect and two, from the readings and class
discussions, can anyone else think of another reason for this visual
effect? Other than that we might be living in a scale model built by
giants ;)

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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:27:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kim Endersen
To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu
Subject: [Psych3120] More crazy facts about the eye
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I'm an optician in an optometrist's office, so the lecture the other day on how the eyes work was really interesting to me. I just wanted to add a couple other interesting things and a really gross story. First, one of the most interesting methods of vision correction is called monovision. Monovision is where a patient wears two different strength contact lenses; one for distance, for for near vision. This is for presbyopes who don't want to wear bifocals. (presbyopia means literally "old eyes' in latin). One would think that wearing one contact for near and one for distance would make the patient sick, and for some it does, but our office has a really high success rate. Basically, when a patient looks at an object 10 feet away, say a chair, the right eye (which is usually for distance) sees the chair clearly and sends the information onto the brain to process. The left eye (which is usually for near vision) sees the chair as blurry and sends that information along
the optic nerve to be processed in the brain. As we learned today, the brain likes to make sense of everything it sees and will disregard or pay less attention to things that don't quite fit. Well, when the blurry and distorted image from the left eye reaches the brain, the brain pretty much disregards it and selects to pay attention to the information coming in from the right eye, which shows the chair clearly, which fits with the brain's idea of what a chair should look like. This is the best way I can think to explain it. Our professor probably has more insight into this. Secondly, we discussed myopia and hyperopia, or far and nearsightedness. Astigmatism is also a common problem we see. In astigmatism, the light passing through the cornea is split into to points of focus. For those with myopic astigmatism (or nearsightedness w/astigmatism), the light refracted by the cornea splits into two points that fall just before the retina. For those with hyperopic
astigmatism (or farsightedness w/astigmatism) the light refracted by the cornea lands in two points just beyond the retina. This is probably more info than was needed, but as it's my job, I think it is very interesting and thougth I'd share some of it.

The next story is kind of icky and totally unrelated.
About 2 weeks a patient came in claiming that they couldn't get their contact out of their eye and that their eye hurt really bad. The patient's eye was bright red. We sent to her in to see the doctor, and about 5 minutes later, he called for me. I went in, and he had me administer some drops to the patient. I found out after the patient had left that there had been no contact in the patient's eye at all. The patient, thinking they had a contact in their eye, had actually pulled off part of her cornea!


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I'm an optician in an optometrist's office, so the lecture the other day on how the eyes work was really interesting to me.&nbsp; I just wanted to add a couple other interesting things and a really gross story.&nbsp; First, one of the most interesting methods of vision correction is called monovision.&nbsp; Monovision is where a patient wears two different strength contact lenses; one for distance, for for near vision.&nbsp; This is for presbyopes who don't want to wear bifocals. (presbyopia means&nbsp;literally "old eyes' in latin).&nbsp; One would think that wearing one contact for near and one for distance would make the patient sick, and for some it does, but our office has a really high success rate.&nbsp; Basically, when a patient looks at an object 10 feet away, say a chair, the right eye (which is usually for distance) sees the chair clearly and sends the information onto the brain to process.&nbsp; The left eye (which is usually for near vision) sees the chair
as blurry and sends that information along the optic nerve to be processed in the brain.&nbsp; As we learned today, the brain likes to make sense of everything it sees and will disregard or pay less attention to things that don't quite fit.&nbsp; Well, when the blurry&nbsp;and distorted&nbsp;image from the left eye reaches the brain, the brain pretty much disregards it and selects to pay attention to the information coming in from the right eye, which shows the chair clearly, which fits with the brain's idea of what a chair should look like.&nbsp; This is the best way I can think to explain it.&nbsp; Our professor probably has more insight into this.&nbsp; Secondly, we discussed myopia and hyperopia, or far and nearsightedness.&nbsp; Astigmatism is also a common problem we see.&nbsp; In astigmatism, the light passing through the cornea is split into to points of focus.&nbsp; For those with myopic astigmatism (or nearsightedness w/astigmatism), the light refracted by the
cornea splits into two points that fall just before the retina.&nbsp; For those with hyperopic astigmatism (or farsightedness w/astigmatism) the light refracted by the cornea lands in two points just beyond the retina.&nbsp; This is probably more info than was needed, but as it's my job, I think it is very interesting and thougth I'd share some of it.
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The next story is kind of icky and totally unrelated.
About 2 weeks a patient came in claiming that they couldn't get their contact out of their eye and that their eye hurt really bad.&nbsp; The patient's eye was bright red.&nbsp; We sent to her in to see the doctor, and about 5 minutes later, he called for me.&nbsp; I went in, and he had me administer some drops to the patient.&nbsp; I found out after the patient had left that there had been no contact in the patient's eye at all.&nbsp; The patient, thinking they had a contact in their eye, had actually pulled off part of her
cornea!

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Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com --MYWAYBOUNDARY_000__98f32219c2657041ef553c51f5a0abaa-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sat Sep 2 15:55:57 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Alisha Christiasnen) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 07:55:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] 1st message Message-ID: <20060902145557.49890.qmail@web56613.mail.re3.yahoo.com> --0-1160887597-1157208957=:48252 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, my name is Alisha. There ae a lot of things that I find interesting about perception and how it works. It is interesting how are minds are able to perceive so much more then our eyes are actually being able to perceive and then being able to just fill in what the eye is missing. Also I think it is amazing how fast the process of perception is compared to how many steps and all the eye and mind have to do to process and image we are looking at. I also have bad vision so learning more ways of what causes that is something that is nice to know. I also really like the idea that we have a blind spot, that just amazes me cause I learned it in 1010 but I always like rehearing about it. --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. --0-1160887597-1157208957=:48252 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, my name is Alisha. There ae a lot of things that I find interesting about perception and how it works. It is interesting how are minds are able to perceive so much more then our eyes are actually being able to perceive and then being able to just fill in what the eye is missing. Also I think it is amazing how fast the process of perception is compared to how many steps and all the eye and mind have to do to process and image we are looking at. I also have bad vision so learning more ways of what causes that is something that is nice to know. I also really like the idea that we have a blind spot, that just amazes me cause I learned it in 1010 but I always like rehearing about it.

Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. --0-1160887597-1157208957=:48252-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sat Sep 2 18:05:30 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Keith Radley) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 11:05:30 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: --_58159826-9b8c-45ea-adba-16f577b55401_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was interested by lots of the things that we have learned about the eye. = I think that I knew that vision problems such as near and far-sightedness = are results of different eye shapes, but I never really had thought about i= t very much. I then started thinking about how procedures such as LASIK ar= e able to improve vision and wondered exactly how it worked. I looked it u= p and the actually change the shape of the cornea so that light is reflecte= d properly. I think that it is pretty incredible that science is able to c= hange the way that we perceive and interpret the world around us. =20 Keith _________________________________________________________________ Search from any Web page with powerful protection. Get the FREE Windows Liv= e Toolbar Today! http://get.live.com/toolbar/overview= --_58159826-9b8c-45ea-adba-16f577b55401_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= I was interested by lots of the things that we have learned about the= eye.  I think that I knew that vision problems such as near and far-s= ightedness are results of different eye shapes, but I never really had thou= ght about it very much.  I then started thinking about how procedures = such as LASIK are able to improve vision and wondered exactly how it worked= .  I looked it up and the actually change the shape of the cornea so t= hat light is reflected properly.  I think that it is pretty incredible= that science is able to change the way that we perceive and interpret the = world around us.
 
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Search from any Web page with powerful protection. Get= the FREE Windows Live Toolbar Today! Try it now!=0A= = --_58159826-9b8c-45ea-adba-16f577b55401_-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sat Sep 2 19:15:55 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Becca Vrabel) Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 18:15:55 +0000 Subject: [Psych3120] very confusing Message-ID: I am finding our discussions very confusing. I am also having a tricky time navigating through all the messages..... I'm guessing that it will just take some time to get used to, I hope.... _________________________________________________________________ Got something to buy, sell or swap? Try Windows Live Expo ttp://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwex0010000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://expo.live.com/ From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sat Sep 2 19:19:34 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Becca Vrabel) Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 18:19:34 +0000 Subject: [Psych3120] interesting to me.... Message-ID: I find color blindness REALLY interesting. I have known several people (well, men) throughout my life that have been colorblind. It just blows my mind to think about their world and how different they perceive things. It seems like it would be a challange, but then again, this is the only perception of the world that they know. So to them, it is normal. _________________________________________________________________ Check the weather nationwide with MSN Search: Try it now! http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=weather&FORM=WLMTAG From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sun Sep 3 06:04:50 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (hailey Woodside) Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 23:04:50 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] psych 3120 Message-ID:

I found the small section of chapter 3 that talks about the way we percieve slope really interesting. I never knew that we tended to mispercieve how steep slopes are and I thought it was amazing that the steepest hill in SanFran is only 18 degrees. The author mentions that most people state the steepest hill they have ever been on is 45-50 degrees, which is what I probably would have guessed as well. I just found it really interesting that we think hills are so steep yet we are able to navigate them without falling flat on our faces. It is neat that even though we percieve it to be so steep we are still able to take in the spatial information neccesarry to correctly calculate where to step next.

 

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From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sun Sep 3 16:33:10 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Angela Eve Miller) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 09:33:10 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] some test taking tips and my e-mail References: <200609021802.k82I1XAx027235@topo.csbs.utah.edu> Message-ID: <52C6D231DACB0547A90093536839AC3D2E86C8@CAMPUSV4.xds.umail.utah.edu> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6CF6E.42D1CD7A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Everybody, This is Eve again. I saw there might be some confusion about my e-mail = from reading the posts. My e-mail is Eve.Miller@utah.edu , if you need = to contact me lea ve off the pscyh that you find on the syllabus. Also, = the posts since Thursday have been looking wonderful, thank you. Earlier = today I wrote a classmate of yours who was concerned about the best way = to prepare for the tests. I thought this was knowledge all of you might = benefit from so I am pasting on the larger portion of that e-mail:=20 Here is what I will recommend to you 1. Never miss class, the bulk of = test materials comes from Dr. Strayer's lectures. If you have to miss = ask someone you know takes good notes to fill you in. 2. Take good notes = in class. Make sure what you are writing down gives you enough detail to = remember Dr. Strayer's main points of lecture. 3. Use your textbook to = bolster your knowledge of the subjects covered in class. As you are = going through your class notes and come across different topics we = discussed, take time to look them up and increase your understanding of = them from the book. Dr. Strayer is not concerned about you learning what = each term in the textbook means he would much rather you understand = concepts. 4. As you prepare to take the tests answer each question in = the study guide throughly. Do not play your odds by guessing which one = might not be in there because I guarantee if one of those questions is = not on the essay portion of the test it's subject matter will be found = throughout the multiple choice questions. So, yes the study guide is = there primarily for the essay questions but if you answer all of them = throughly (and understand the concepts involved) you will do well on the = tests. Another recommendation I can make for studying for the tests is = know what should be known from each slide covered in class. When = studying look at the slide heading and state the basics.=20 I hope this helps all of you, see you in class! ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6CF6E.42D1CD7A Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable some test taking tips and my e-mail


Hello Everybody,

This is Eve again. I saw there might be some confusion about my e-mail = from reading the posts. My e-mail is Eve.Miller@utah.edu , if you need = to contact me lea ve off the pscyh that you find on the syllabus. Also, = the posts since Thursday have been looking wonderful, thank you. Earlier = today I wrote a classmate of yours who was concerned about the best way = to prepare for the tests. I thought this was knowledge all of you might = benefit from so I am pasting on the larger portion of that e-mail:

Here is what I will recommend to you 1. Never miss class, the bulk of = test materials comes from Dr. Strayer's lectures. If you have to miss = ask someone you know takes good notes to fill you in. 2. Take good notes = in class. Make sure what you are writing down gives you enough detail to = remember Dr. Strayer's main points of lecture. 3. Use your textbook to = bolster your knowledge of the subjects covered in class. As you are = going through your class notes and come across different topics we = discussed, take time to look them up and increase your understanding of = them from the book. Dr. Strayer is not concerned about you learning what = each term in the textbook means he would much rather you understand = concepts. 4. As you prepare to take the tests answer each question in = the study guide throughly. Do not play your odds by guessing which one = might not be in there because I guarantee if one of those questions is = not on the essay portion of the test it's subject matter will be found = throughout the multiple choice questions. So, yes the study guide is = there primarily for the essay questions but if you answer all of them = throughly (and understand the concepts involved) you will do well on the = tests. Another recommendation I can make for studying for the tests is = know what should be known from each slide covered in class. When = studying look at the slide heading and state the basics.

I hope this helps all of you, see you in class!

------_=_NextPart_001_01C6CF6E.42D1CD7A-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sun Sep 3 21:11:01 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Lexi Breeze) Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:11:01 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Is it really red? Message-ID: Hey! So I have a really interesting book with all kinds of stuff that really makes the mind think. One of my favorites relates quite well to this week's lectures- sensation and perception. I will do my best to explain it. It poses the question that what if colors aren't really colors, but just shades of grey, and that we are trained to see the different shades of grey as different colors? So one shade of grey is widely known as "green", and another as "red", etc. Or also what if what you know as red is really yellow, you were just trained that it is red, and color blind people aren't really color blind, they were just trained differently than you as to what color they see as what. I don't know about you, but it sure makes me think. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Spaces is here! It’s easy to create your own personal Web site. http://spaces.live.com/signup.aspx From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Mon Sep 4 04:09:26 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Ariann Beglarian) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 20:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] perception Message-ID: <20060904030926.43035.qmail@web31611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think it's awsome how the eye and brain work so harmoniously in their attempt to create a smooth and rapid processing of incomplete or imperfect images. Its also interesting which image the brain chooses to process first in those double-images on the ppt slides. Although it may seem like you are able to see both, as I sat and alternated between images I could actually see the shift, almost a vibration or twitch in my eye, that quickly processed the other image I was searching for. Its amazing. Just as amazing is the visual systems ability to fill in the gaps in vision overall. Its so strange to think that theres a spot in my vision that isn't there, yet my brain and eye work together to compensate for it and therefore I see what I shouldn't be seeing. Maybe that sounds too complicated. I've actually tried the experiment where you test your blindspot and its crazy to actually "see" where it is and that it truly exists. Its crazy! -ARi __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Mon Sep 4 04:55:34 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (jolene stehlin) Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 21:55:34 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: At the end of Chapter 1 Willingham talks about how many different things have to happen in order for you to answer a simple question, like "Where are you from". He talks first about how the sound waives are interpreted as speech, then your brain "figures out the boundaries of words" then once your brain understands you have to pick a single answer out of the possible thousands until you are finally able to reply. To me, the fact that all of this information is broken down into several steps over the course of a split second is amazing and we do this thousands of times a day! Right now, there is an incredible process occuring that is allowing my fingers to type what I am thinking. I'm excited about this class and can't wait to learn more. _________________________________________________________________ Check the weather nationwide with MSN Search: Try it now! http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=weather&FORM=WLMTAG From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Mon Sep 4 17:38:00 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Sabreena Khan) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 09:38:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] parvocellular, magnocellular pathways are awesome. In-Reply-To: <200609021802.k82I23dl027255@topo.csbs.utah.edu> Message-ID: <20060904163800.32209.qmail@web55405.mail.re4.yahoo.com> so. in thinking about the parvocellular and magnocellular pathways in the human, my mind tends to venture toward the development of the two systems from the time of infancy to adulthood. are the pathways less developed in infants, and to what degree? what are the limitations of the infant compared to the fully developed parvo/magnocellular pathways? i remember learning in driver's ed that childrens' peripheral vision is much more limited compared to that of an adult, and for this reason, we, as adult drivers, should be cautious when driving through neighborhoods where children might be playing. we may see them, but this doesn't necessarily mean that they see us due to the immaturity of their periphery. does this have anything to do with the development of the parvo/magnocellular pathways? and lastly, i wonder at what age do these functions fully develop? booyah. sabreena khan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Mon Sep 4 21:14:24 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (laura cervantes) Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 14:14:24 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] visual perception Message-ID: I read an article on Psychology today that says that magicians have been a step ahead of psychologists when it comes to visual perception, they have uncovered how to use our attention to their advantage, meaning they know what we focus on and then they can do their tricks, it lies mostly on the fact that they do things really fast. anyway, i thought visual perception was really interesting because before this I would say that if I relied on any of my senses it would be my visual, I wouldn't have bet that what I see is sometimes not real Laura C Brunello _________________________________________________________________ Got something to buy, sell or swap? Try Windows Live Expo ttp://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwex0010000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://expo.live.com/ From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Tue Sep 5 00:08:40 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Jennifer Adams) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 17:08:40 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Are there different "shades" of colorblindness? Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_037D_01C6D044.C50042C0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_037E_01C6D044.C5076EB0" ------=_NextPart_001_037E_01C6D044.C5076EB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 I have a question about colorblindness=85..Are there differing levels of colorblindness, or is it black or white (bad pun) and you either have it = or you don=92t. The reason I ask, sometimes when I=92m at the eye doctor = and he shows me the images of colored dots, most of the images are really easy = for me to pick out. But some of them seem like I have to look a second = longer to get it. My question is, are the tests made that way so that they can = filter out those people who may be faking it, or could I possibly have just a slight tendency of colorblindness on some colors? I always end up seeing = the thing I am supposed to see, but I have to blink=85.Just wondering. = Jennifer Adams =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_001_037E_01C6D044.C5076EB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have a question about = colorblindness…..Are there differing levels of colorblindness, or is it black or white (bad = pun) and you either have it or you don’t. The reason I ask, sometimes when = I’m at the eye doctor and he shows me the images of colored dots, most of = the images are really easy for me to pick out. But some of them seem like I = have to look a second longer to get it. My question is, are the tests made that = way so that they can filter out those people who may be faking it, or could I = possibly have just a slight tendency of colorblindness on some colors? I always = end up seeing the thing I am supposed to see, but I have to blink….Just wondering.   Jennifer Adams

  

 

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In-Reply-To: <200609041802.k84I23OO022745@topo.csbs.utah.edu> Message-ID: I thought it was interesting last class that the eyes and face were upside down and yet we couldn't quite tell when the whole face was upside down. As Dr. Strayer explained, this was becasue of top-down processing--our prior knowledge and experience influenced how we perceived those pictures. So it appears that our sense of perception is unreliable, which makes sense--otherwise the various visual illusions wouldn't work. I thought this was interesting when applied to the visual system, but I think it also applies to the auditory system. Several times I've heard someone speaking and thought it was the person next to me talking. I perceived the sound coming from the direction of my neighbor even though it actually came from a different direction. I'm sure we've experienced similar things when trying to figure out where a sound is coming from--like a beeping noise. When you think it is coming from one item--say a clock--it appears as if the sound is coming from that source. As you get closer to the clock, you get farther from the actual source of the sound; far enough away that you realize the sound is getting quieter, then you turn around and start over in the right direction. Or there was the time that a cricket got in my bedroom and I had to search for it in the dark (because it went quiet when the light was on), but that's another story! From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Tue Sep 5 02:20:08 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu) Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 19:20:08 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Melody Sain/modes 3901-003 post #1 Message-ID: <20060904192008.3lts9waug4s004w8@webmail.xmission.com> I have a question regarding our discussion on 8/29 about the eye. I'm wondering if anyone has received any data on LASIK surgeries that have not worked or caused serious damage. A close friend of mine recently had LASIK and his eyes are now bloodshot. He looks as though he has been punched in the eye. I have also been informed that the surgery can, in fact, make your vision worse. My own eye doctor offered his opinion and said it was not yet fully developed. I was also told that LASIK surgery makes your eyes extremely sensitive to pressure change. Thus, if you live in the mountains and had LASIK surgery, by moving to the beach you are risking blindness. I was just wondering if anyone has any opinions on these bits of information. -Melody Sain Psych 3120 From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Tue Sep 5 05:45:18 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Brett Larsen) Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 21:45:18 -0700 Subject: [Psych3120] Interesting Message-ID: A couple of topics i found most interesting in class were when we talked about when we read we don't move our eyes smoothly across the page but actually jerk our eyes to center our attention. It really interested me to hear that our eyes actually go blind for a very short period of time, we also said that maybe our mind goes blank for a second to make it possible for your eyes to adjust. I would like to know how it would be possible to measure or record this expecially when it happens so often and so unconsiously. Also I thought it was strange that the mind actually fills in the things i think i see, i think that is very hard to comprehend. Have any of you done the test where supposivley you can see your blind spot? Did it work? It seems very strange to me. Brett Larsen _________________________________________________________________ All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. Get a free 90-day trial! http://www.windowsonecare.com/trial.aspx?sc_cid=msn_hotmail From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Tue Sep 5 05:49:05 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Becca Vrabel) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 04:49:05 +0000 Subject: [Psych3120] In response to Lexi.... Message-ID: That definitely does make you think about a lot of things. I like to consider the endless possibilities of the reality we live in. When it comes to color, however, I llike to believe that there are extremely beautiful and different colors, and many shades and hues of those colors... and even more beyond that. It would be so interesting to be able to see how a colorblind person sees for a day. _________________________________________________________________ Got something to buy, sell or swap? Try Windows Live Expo ttp://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwex0010000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://expo.live.com/ From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Tue Sep 5 05:54:08 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Becca Vrabel) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 04:54:08 +0000 Subject: [Psych3120] Our reality Message-ID: So I was thinking about how many things are presented to us at any given moment. We only attend to a fraction of these things. There is no way that our eyes and mind can interpret and respond to the incredible number of pictures/sounds/colors/shapes that we are presented with. We discussed in class how everything that we see is merely an illusion...... this boggles my mind!! _________________________________________________________________ Got something to buy, sell or swap? Try Windows Live Expo ttp://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwex0010000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://expo.live.com/ From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Tue Sep 5 21:43:08 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Sabreena Khan) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 13:43:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] binocular vs. monocular vision Message-ID: <20060905204308.68816.qmail@web55415.mail.re4.yahoo.com> okay. so when discussed pictoral cues today in class, we established the fact that they are those which require only monocular vision, however, are pictoral cues stronger in those who have binocular vision, or are they irrespective of one another?? i.e. they are perceived the same way in those with monocular OR binocular vision..? i would assume that they might be irrespective of one another simply given the nature of the context, i.e. MONocular cues...however i still wonder. anyone have any insight?? sabreena khan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Tue Sep 5 21:53:03 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (alan richmond) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 13:53:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] The blind Message-ID: <20060905205304.69547.qmail@web50306.mail.yahoo.com> The information concerning the way that we see and percieve images and everything that has been discussed in class and on the message boards has been very interesting and fascinating to me. All of these discussions especially after todays class on depth perception and the cues that are used has gotten me to thinking about all of the information that is out there that our eyes recieve and encodes for our brains to decode into images that we percieve and understand and thinking about the blind and all of the information about the world around them that they don't get to recieve and about how much information they miss out on concerning the world around them and this lead me to wonder about what kind of perception about reality and the world around them that they may have. Alan Richmond __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Wed Sep 6 00:27:33 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Benjamin Divine) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 16:27:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Offset by 3 inches? Message-ID: <20060905232733.1723.qmail@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --0-679443887-1157498853=:91438 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In our lecture today Dr. Strayer discussed the anatomical fact that most people's eyes are offset (or apart) by about 3 inches. This distance is just enough to create two slightly different views coming from each eye. This concept is called "binocular disparity," which is also essentially how three dimensional images are formed through our viewing perception. So, if I were looking at three toothpicks glued on a piece of paper so that they were standing upright I would be able to perceive a 3-D image from the combination of the left and right eye's view. There is much more to be said regarding this topic but I did want to pose question that interests me: What type of effect would it have on one's individual 3-D perception if there eyes were much more or less than 3-inches apart? --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. --0-679443887-1157498853=:91438 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In our lecture today Dr. Strayer discussed the anatomical fact that most people's eyes are offset (or apart) by about 3 inches.  This distance is just enough to create two slightly different views coming from each eye.  This concept is called "binocular disparity," which is also essentially how three dimensional images are formed through our viewing perception.  So, if I were looking at three toothpicks glued on a piece of paper so that they were standing upright I would be able to perceive a 3-D image from the combination of the left and right eye's view.  There is much more to be said regarding this topic but I did want to pose question that interests me: What type of effect would it have on one's individual 3-D perception if there eyes were much more or less than 3-inches apart? 

How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. --0-679443887-1157498853=:91438-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Wed Sep 6 00:30:28 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Benjamin Divine) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 16:30:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Offset by 3 inches? Message-ID: <20060905233028.29715.qmail@web42109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --0-780521486-1157499028=:15731 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In our lecture today Dr. Strayer discussed the anatomical fact that most people's eyes are offset (or apart) by about 3 inches. This distance is just enough to create two slightly different views coming from each eye. This concept is called "binocular disparity," which is also essentially how three dimensional images are formed through our viewing perception. So, if I were looking at three toothpicks glued on a piece of paper so that they were standing upright I would be able to perceive a 3-D image from the combination of the left and right eye's view. There is much more to be said regarding this topic but I did want to pose question that interests me: What type of effect would it have on one's individual 3-D perception if there eyes were much more or less than 3-inches apart? --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. --0-780521486-1157499028=:15731 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In our lecture today Dr. Strayer discussed the anatomical fact that most people's eyes are offset (or apart) by about 3 inches.  This distance is just enough to create two slightly different views coming from each eye.  This concept is called "binocular disparity," which is also essentially how three dimensional images are formed through our viewing perception.  So, if I were looking at three toothpicks glued on a piece of paper so that they were standing upright I would be able to perceive a 3-D image from the combination of the left and right eye's view.  There is much more to be said regarding this topic but I did want to pose question that interests me: What type of effect would it have on one's individual 3-D perception if there eyes were much more or less than 3-inches apart? 

How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. --0-780521486-1157499028=:15731-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Wed Sep 6 05:23:35 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Emily Slager) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 22:23:35 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Messege for the board Message-ID: <759c1ffd0609052123l63758697k986c40b04d3839d9@mail.gmail.com> ------=_Part_75970_27880797.1157516615555 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello! Countless times I have been to Disney World and worn those cheap 3-D glasses for a movie or a show. Until today, I was always baffled at how something that seems to cost less than a penny could do something so useful. As I understand it, the colors red and green correspond with the red and green in the pictures on the screen. Because they are just slightly off-set, my eyes tell my brain that what I'm seeing goes together and it comes out as a coherent, 3-D picture. I also got a second baffling question answered today: Majic Eye books! So it's crazy that a picture is hidden among a mess of chaos of pixels. And what our eyes are doing is finding coherency among the chaos. Once we see something that resembles a picture, our eye cells send triggers to cells around it until all the eye cells are focusing on the picture among the chaos. That's why we can almost feel the network slowly taking place after we stare for awhile! Emily Slager ------=_Part_75970_27880797.1157516615555 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello!
    Countless times I have been to Disney World and worn those cheap 3-D glasses for a movie or a show.  Until today, I was always baffled at how something that seems to cost less than a penny could do something so useful.  As I understand it, the colors red and green correspond with the red and green in the pictures on the screen.  Because they are just slightly off-set, my eyes tell my brain that what I'm seeing goes together and it comes out as a coherent, 3-D picture.
    I also got a second baffling question answered today: Majic Eye books!  So it's crazy that a picture is hidden among a mess of chaos of pixels.  And what our eyes are doing is finding coherency among the chaos.  Once we see something that resembles a picture, our eye cells send triggers to cells around it until all the eye cells are focusing on the picture among the chaos.  That's why we can almost feel the network slowly taking place after we stare for awhile! 

              Emily Slager
------=_Part_75970_27880797.1157516615555-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Thu Sep 7 03:16:05 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Emily Slager) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 20:16:05 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Message for the Board 2 Message-ID: <759c1ffd0609061916u76af78fcs3af44e6e6ad84caa@mail.gmail.com> ------=_Part_1397_525784.1157595365820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello all! I wrote this paragraph for the Messege Board last week, but I couldn't figure out how to submit things. So I just saved it, and copied it here. So sorry if the thought is a bit "last week" :) A lecture on sensory and perception guided me to think about a recent experience I had after lecture that day. I walked into the bathroom and set my cell phone down on the sink. When I came out of the stall moments later, the cell phone was not on the sink. It was something that I could have perceived a number of ways. If I was in an inner city highschool in Detroit, I may perceive that it had been stolen. If I was in junior high and very hated by a set of girls, I may think they took it away to be mean. It could have gotten stolen by a monkey, fell down the sink hole, taken away by a god, etc. But the fact that I do not think I have any enemies, I believe that people don't (usually) steal cell phones, monkeys are well kept out of buildings (and out of America), gods of stealing don't exist, etc, my first perception of my missing cell phone sensory was that it had fallen. Indeed it had! (Landed in my backpack, which is why it didn't make any noise). How we perceive things has a lot to do with our "point-of-view" of the world! Emily ------=_Part_1397_525784.1157595365820 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

Hello all! 

I wrote this paragraph for the Messege Board last week, but I couldn't figure out how to submit things. So I just saved it, and copied it here.  So sorry if the thought is a bit "last week" :)

   A lecture on sensory and perception guided me to think about a recent experience I had after lecture that day.  I walked into the bathroom and set my cell phone down on the sink.  When I came out of the stall moments later, the cell phone was not on the sink.  It was something that I could have perceived a number of ways.  If I was in an inner city highschool in Detroit, I may perceive that it had been stolen.  If I was in junior high and very hated by a set of girls, I may think they took it away to be mean.  It could have gotten stolen by a monkey, fell down the sink hole, taken away by a god, etc. 
   But the fact that I do not think I have any enemies, I believe that people don't (usually) steal cell phones, monkeys are well kept out of buildings (and out of America), gods of stealing don't exist, etc, my first perception of my missing cell phone sensory was that it had fallen.  Indeed it had! (Landed in my backpack, which is why it didn't make any noise).
   How we perceive things has a lot to do with our "point-of-view" of the world!
 
 Emily

------=_Part_1397_525784.1157595365820-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Thu Sep 7 18:10:20 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Jake Andreason) Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 11:10:20 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Depth Perception Message-ID: I thought tuesdays lecture was pretty intersting. I've been drawing since I was a kid, and while I'm not a professional, I thought it was interesting to learn about the techniques to show depth. I have been taught over and over again to use techniques like shading, size, and vanishing points to try to get the most realistic picture possible, but I guess now it just kind of comes naturally so seeing examples of it in lecture kind of reminded me of what I was doing. I think it's amazing that using our visual perception pictures can be manipulated to see whatever the artist wants us to see. The stereograms were kind of confusing though. That's probably just because I've always been horrible at figuring out those things. From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Thu Sep 7 22:10:35 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Kyle Murdock) Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 15:10:35 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Illusions... Message-ID:


Today in class we saw the demonstration where the window was spinning around and after starring at it we thought that it wasn't spinning anymore, it was just moving back and forth. The professor then stuck a stick in the middle and when the window spun it just went back and forth, but the stick was still spinning as if it was magically going right through the window. Although we recieved a good explanation for this I still was wondering how this could happen. Since we learn rules of constancies, wouldn't our brain know that the stick couldn't possible spin right through something else? I know that we are already being tricked but we should know that this isn't possible and compensate for it somehow.

I don't know what would make this happen, but maybe it is because our brain recognizes that we are being tricked and totally discounts it allowing us to see what is really happening with the stick. I know that is far out there, but anybody elses' insight would help. Thanks,

Kyle Murdock

From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Thu Sep 7 22:31:57 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (William Gordon) Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 15:31:57 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Relative Psychohorror In-Reply-To: <200609071803.k87I2XgI005749@topo.csbs.utah.edu> Message-ID: I just put that in the subject line so you would read the post. I was really just thinking that it's almost scary to think that everyone of us (us being the general population with eyes in working order) probably sees things slightly differently. It goes back to what someone brought up about whether the shade we see is actually what everyone else sees or just what we were told is "red." We might find similarities in the things we view, but chances are we all see it slightly differently, to some degree. This kind of ties into the idea of relativity. We all see things slightly differently, so what gives any one person the right to say what's right or wrong? And if a few, a group, millions of people see things one way, what makes their view right? The fact is, those memories of ours serve to help us process billions of bits of information at once, and who's to say that I, you, or anyone is wrong in how they see something? Or right for that same matter? ??? William P.S.--Thanks Kari J., for shedding some light on the eye color question. >From: psych3120-request@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Psych3120 digest, Vol 1 #894 - 2 msgs >Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 12:02:33 -0600 (MDT) > >Send Psych3120 mailing list submissions to > psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > psych3120-request@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >You can reach the person managing the list at > psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Psych3120 digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Message for the Board 2 (Emily Slager) > 2. Depth Perception (Jake Andreason) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 >Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 20:16:05 -0600 >From: "Emily Slager" >To: "Cognitive Psychology" >Subject: [Psych3120] Message for the Board 2 >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >------=_Part_1397_525784.1157595365820 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Content-Disposition: inline > >Hello all! > >I wrote this paragraph for the Messege Board last week, but I couldn't >figure out how to submit things. So I just saved it, and copied it here. >So >sorry if the thought is a bit "last week" :) > > A lecture on sensory and perception guided me to think about a recent >experience I had after lecture that day. I walked into the bathroom and >set >my cell phone down on the sink. When I came out of the stall moments >later, >the cell phone was not on the sink. It was something that I could have >perceived a number of ways. If I was in an inner city highschool in >Detroit, >I may perceive that it had been stolen. If I was in junior high and very >hated by a set of girls, I may think they took it away to be mean. It >could >have gotten stolen by a monkey, fell down the sink hole, taken away by a >god, etc. > But the fact that I do not think I have any enemies, I believe that >people don't (usually) steal cell phones, monkeys are well kept out of >buildings (and out of America), gods of stealing don't exist, etc, my first >perception of my missing cell phone sensory was that it had fallen. Indeed >it had! (Landed in my backpack, which is why it didn't make any noise). > How we perceive things has a lot to do with our "point-of-view" of the >world! > > Emily > >------=_Part_1397_525784.1157595365820 >Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Content-Disposition: inline > > > >

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I wrote this paragraph for the Messege Board last >week, but I couldn't figure out how to submit things. So I just saved >it, and copied it here.  So sorry if the thought is a bit "last >week" :)
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   A lecture on sensory and perception >guided me to think about a >recent experience I had after lecture that day.  I walked into the >bathroom and set my cell phone down on the sink.  When I came out of >the >stall moments later, the cell phone was not on the sink.  It was >something >that I could have perceived a number of ways.  If I was in an inner >city >highschool in Detroit, >I may perceive that it had been stolen.  If I was in junior high and >very >hated by a set of girls, I may think they took it away to be mean.  It >could have gotten stolen by a monkey, fell down the sink hole, taken away >by a >god, etc. 
>   But the fact that I do not think I have any enemies, I believe >that people don't (usually) steal cell phones, monkeys are well kept out of >buildings >(and out of America), gods of stealing don't exist, etc, my first >perception of >my missing cell phone sensory was that it had fallen.  Indeed it had! >(Landed in my backpack, which is why it didn't make any noise).
>   How we perceive things has a lot to do with our >"point-of-view" of the world!
> 
> Emily

> > >------=_Part_1397_525784.1157595365820-- > >--__--__-- > >Message: 2 >From: "Jake Andreason" >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 11:10:20 -0600 >Subject: [Psych3120] Depth Perception >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >I thought tuesdays lecture was pretty intersting. I've been drawing since I >was a kid, and while I'm not a professional, I thought it was interesting >to >learn about the techniques to show depth. I have been taught over and over >again to use techniques like shading, size, and vanishing points to try to >get the most realistic picture possible, but I guess now it just kind of >comes naturally so seeing examples of it in lecture kind of reminded me of >what I was doing. I think it's amazing that using our visual perception >pictures can be manipulated to see whatever the artist wants us to see. The >stereograms were kind of confusing though. That's probably just because >I've >always been horrible at figuring out those things. > > > > >--__--__-- > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > >End of Psych3120 Digest _________________________________________________________________ Get the new Windows Live Messenger! http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=wlmailtagline From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Fri Sep 8 03:04:33 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (alan richmond) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 19:04:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Seeing is Believing??? Message-ID: <20060908020433.19339.qmail@web50304.mail.yahoo.com> Todays class about illusions and constancies was fun and interesting to me. It was fun for me to sit through the illusions that were presented in class and to be seeing one thing and then a moment later have that one thing be shown as something else. It makes you wonder how much of the information the we are processing is really "accurate" and if seeing really is believing. Alan Richmond __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Fri Sep 8 16:33:50 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Katie) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 09:33:50 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Learned or innate? Message-ID: <4E9A09E16264024C80C968D5CFCCB7AB017F81@xeoni.digitalbreakdown.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6D35C.2F09A110 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The thought question at the close of Thursday's lecture, "are = constancies inborn or are they learned through experiences?" made me = think a bit on the way home. When the questions was first posed in class = I immediately thought that this had to be innate. I dont remember ever = being "taught" about visual constancies or anything, it must just be one = of those automatic things that we just know. But I shouldn't really have = been surprised, because I suppose it's just like many other things in = psychology that we ask- nature or nurture?=20 Like development of language, and behaviors, etc., there are certain = pieces than we are born with and others that we aquire along the way, = whether we are concious of it or not. This is just another thing that we = are given the tools for- the eyes, the brain and the many different = componants, and along with our experiences and learned contexts, we can = now percieve and make judgements without even thinking about it. =20 Katie Johnson ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6D35C.2F09A110 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A=
The thought question at = the close of Thursday's lecture, "are constancies inborn or are they = learned through experiences?" made me think a bit on the way home. When = the questions was first posed in class I immediately thought that this = had to be innate. I dont remember ever being "taught" about visual = constancies or anything, it must just be one of those automatic things = that we just know. But I shouldn't really have been surprised, because I = suppose it's just like many other things in psychology that we = ask- nature or nurture?
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Like development of = language, and behaviors, etc., there are certain pieces than we are born = with and others that we aquire along the way, whether we are concious of = it or not. This is just another thing that we are given the tools = for- the eyes, the brain and the many different componants, and along = with our experiences and learned contexts, we can now percieve and = make judgements without even thinking about it.  
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C6D35C.2F09A110-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Fri Sep 8 20:31:54 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (laura cervantes) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 13:31:54 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] this weeks lecture Message-ID: I found the class very interesting this week, I came home and told my husband that I can't all together believe what I see from now on. I guess we're all familiar with illusions and mirages but there was a lot more to it than that if we really understand perception, so it was interesting _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Spaces is here! It’s easy to create your own personal Web site. http://spaces.live.com/signup.aspx From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Fri Sep 8 20:32:09 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (laura cervantes) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 13:32:09 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] this weeks lecture Message-ID: I found the class very interesting this week, I came home and told my husband that I can't all together believe what I see from now on. I guess we're all familiar with illusions and mirages but there was a lot more to it than that if we really understand perception, so it was interesting Laura Cervantes-Brunello _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Spaces is here! It’s easy to create your own personal Web site. http://spaces.live.com/signup.aspx From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Fri Sep 8 21:40:25 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Keith Radley) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 14:40:25 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] What does our perception say about us? Message-ID: --_1b005389-e6d4-4c9c-9cb1-473909f8d477_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As we have been talking about illusions and such, I was reminded of a test = that i took. The test looked at how our personality type affects the way w= e interpret and perceive the world around us. There is part of a Necker cu= be in the class slides, and this test used the cube to determine if a perso= n was extroverted or introverted. For those who are interested, the test c= an be found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/mind/surveys/neckercu= be/index.shtml Try it out, it is really interesting to see how it is hypoth= esized that personality type controls our perception. I'm not sure if the = test is completely valid and reliable, but it is an interesting idea. _________________________________________________________________ Search from any Web page with powerful protection. Get the FREE Windows Liv= e Toolbar Today! http://get.live.com/toolbar/overview= --_1b005389-e6d4-4c9c-9cb1-473909f8d477_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= As we have been talking about illusions and such, I was reminded of a= test that i took.  The test looked at how our personality type affect= s the way we interpret and perceive the world around us.  T= here is part of a Necker cube in the class slides, and this test used = the cube to determine if a person was extroverted or introverted.  For= those who are interested, the test can be found at http://www.= bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/mind/surveys/neckercube/index.shtml Tr= y it out, it is really interesting to see how it is hypothesized that = personality type controls our perception.  I'm not sure if the test is= completely valid and reliable, but it is an interesting idea.
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Search from any Web page with powerful protection. Get the FREE Windo= ws Live Toolbar Today! Try it now!=0A= = --_1b005389-e6d4-4c9c-9cb1-473909f8d477_-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Fri Sep 8 21:49:13 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 15:49:13 -0500 Subject: [Psych3120] ponderings on the visual system Message-ID: <20060908154913.kzmysv4n40gcscwc@wm.integrity.com> My name is Romney Stevens and I had a few thoughts about the visual system. I got a migraine and started thinking about what causes migraines. I know that migraines are sensitive to light and for most people they describe pain in the baack of the eyes. I was wondering if maybe the pain could be coming from the optic nerve and it was being caused by fatigue from too much information traveling through the optic nerve at one time. Perhaps migraines could even originate from the visual cortex. I don't know, maybe someone else could explain migraines better for me. From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Fri Sep 8 22:03:19 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Jennie Ruff) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 15:03:19 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Random dot stereograms... Message-ID: <9A716B5A-A815-4398-9B05-8F339E6C51BC@impulsion-sim.com> So I'm the only person I noticed in class raising their hand when Professor Strayer asked if anyone isn't able to see Magic Eye pictures. I've never ever been able to, and I gave up trying long ago. The thing is, I have no problems with any of the other illusion/ perception images we've viewed in class. I was slightly relieved to hear that maybe I'm physically incapable, but I wonder if it is still possible for me to learn to see them, since apparently a lot of what we are capable of viewing is learned behavior. Anyone want to try (yet again) to teach me? And how does one find out if one if physically incapable of seeing them? From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sat Sep 9 00:21:24 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Kasey lundgren) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 16:21:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] modes posting sept.8 Message-ID: <20060908232124.67329.qmail@web33002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --0-1987728436-1157757684=:66368 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I found it very interest when in class dr. strayer dicussed stereogram images and how it is a single image that contains binocular depth information when viewed right. When he discussed that, i believe it was 1 in 10 children have trouble seeing these images because there binocular perception is not yet in tune, it reminded me that when i was young i always had trouble seeing the images in stereograms. In elementary school the teachers would always post stereograms on there door and i remember staring for what seemed like hours trying to see the image everyone else saw. Now knowing that there was a reason for it, is comforting. When reading chapter six it explained that one reason you may not be able to see the image is that the two images cannot be fused otherwise know as binocular rivalry. Binocular perception always involves binacular rivalry, that is what you notice when you first look at a stereogram but eventually binocular stereopsis is so strong that it can over power the rivalry, helping to create the perception of the hidden image. I thought it was crazy amazing how the right and left eye work together to help you percieve images that are not necessarily presented in clear view. --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. --0-1987728436-1157757684=:66368 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I found it very interest when in class dr. strayer dicussed stereogram images and
how it is a single image that contains binocular depth information
when viewed right. When he discussed that, i believe it was 1 in 10 children have
trouble seeing these images because there binocular perception is not yet in tune, it
reminded me that when i was young i always had trouble seeing the images in stereograms. In elementary school the teachers would always post stereograms on
there door and i
remember staring for what seemed like hours trying to see the image everyone else
saw. Now knowing that there was a reason for it, is comforting. When reading chapter
six it explained that one reason you may not be able to see the image is that
the two images cannot be fused otherwise know as binocular rivalry. Binocular
perception always involves binacular rivalry, that is what you notice when you first look
at a stereogram but eventually binocular stereopsis is so strong that it can over power
the rivalry, helping to create the perception of the hidden image. I
thought it was crazy amazing how the right and left eye work together to help you
percieve images that are not necessarily presented in clear view.
 

How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. --0-1987728436-1157757684=:66368-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sat Sep 9 00:26:53 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Kasey lundgren) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 16:26:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] modes posting sept.8 Message-ID: <20060908232653.84335.qmail@web33009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --0-585442743-1157758013=:83259 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I found it very interest when in class dr. strayer dicussed stereogram images and how it is a single image that contains binocular depth information when viewed right. When he discussed that, i believe it was 1 in 10 children have trouble seeing these images because there binocular perception is not yet in tune, it reminded me that when i was young i always had trouble seeing the images in stereograms. In elementary school the teachers would always post stereograms on there door and i remember staring for what seemed like hours trying to see the image everyone else saw. Now knowing that there was a reason for it, is comforting. When reading chapter six it explained that one reason you may not be able to see the image is that the two images cannot be fused otherwise know as binocular rivalry. Binocular perception always involves binacular rivalry, that is what you notice when you first look at a stereogram but eventually binocular stereopsis is so strong that it can over power the rivalry, helping to create the perception of the hidden image. I thought it was crazy amazing how the right and left eye work together to help you percieve images that are not necessarily presented in clear view. kasey lundgren --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. --0-585442743-1157758013=:83259 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I found it very interest when in class dr. strayer dicussed stereogram images and
how it is a single image that contains binocular depth information
when viewed right. When he discussed that, i believe it was 1 in 10 children have
trouble seeing these images because there binocular perception is not yet in tune, it
reminded me that when i was young i always had trouble seeing the images in stereograms. In elementary school the teachers would always post stereograms on
there door and i
remember staring for what seemed like hours trying to see the image everyone else
saw. Now knowing that there was a reason for it, is comforting. When reading chapter
six it explained that one reason you may not be able to see the image is that
the two images cannot be fused otherwise know as binocular rivalry. Binocular
perception always involves binacular rivalry, that is what you notice when you first look
at a stereogram but eventually binocular stereopsis is so strong that it can over power
the rivalry, helping to create the perception of the hidden image. I
thought it was crazy amazing how the right and left eye work together to help you
percieve images that are not necessarily presented in clear view.
 
kasey lundgren

Do you Yahoo!?
Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. --0-585442743-1157758013=:83259-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sat Sep 9 03:14:51 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Paige) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 22:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Tricking our minds Message-ID: <20060909021451.446746767E@mprdmxin.myway.com> --MYWAYBOUNDARY_000__fcce1d03d2da5c7857f1c4951132e944 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My question is about the lecture on Thursday when we were first shown an image of something moving, and then quickly changing to a stationary picture. Is this the same concept as dark adaptation? I know the actual process in the eye is most likely different. But the point is that any quick change visually takes time for our brain to catch up with what it is seeing. The time that our brain adapts is the amount of time it takes for it to process its new surroundings. So when you are in a vary bright room and then the lights are turned off, it takes time for your eyes to begin to see your surroundings. Is what we saw on Thursday different in anyway? Is there a time limit to seeing the stationary picture move, or can we tell our brain that it is actually moving and continue to see it move as long as we like? I'm sorry if this all seems like a really simple minded question, but I just think all of this is fascinating. -Paige Baucom--- On Fri 09/08, < psych3120-request@lists.csbs.utah.edu > wrote: From: [mailto: psych3120-request@lists.csbs.utah.edu]To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.eduDate: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 12:04:49 -0600 (MDT)Subject: Psych3120 digest, Vol 1 #895 - 4 msgsSend Psych3120 mailing list submissions topsych3120@lists.csbs.utah.eduTo subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visithttp://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' topsych3120-request@lists.csbs.utah.eduYou can reach the person managing the list atpsych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.eduWhen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specificthan "Re: Contents of Psych3120 digest..."Today's Topics:1. Illusions... (Kyle Murdock)2. Relative Psychohorror (William Gordon)3. Seeing is Believing??? (alan richmond)4. Learned or innate? (Katie)--__--__--Message: 1From: "Kyle Murdock" To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.eduDate: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 15:10:35 -0600Subject: [Psych3120] Illusions...Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Today in class we saw the demonstration where the window was spinning around and after starring at it we thought that it wasn't spinning anymore, it was just moving back and forth. The professor then stuck a stick in the middle and when the window spun it just went back and forth, but the stick was still spinning as if it was magically going right through the window. Although we recieved a good explanation for this I still was wondering how this could happen. Since we learn rules of constancies, wouldn't our brain know that the stick couldn't possible spin right through something else? I know that we are already being tricked but we should know that this isn't possible and compensate for it somehow. I don't know what would make this happen, but maybe it is because our brain recognizes that we are being tricked and totally discounts it allowing us to see what is really happening with the stick. I know that is far out there, but anybody elses' insight would help. Thanks, Kyle Murdock --__--__--Message: 2From: "William Gordon" To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.eduDate: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 15:31:57 -0600Subject: [Psych3120] Relative PsychohorrorReply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.eduI just put that in the subject line so you would read the post. I was really just thinking that it's almost scary to think that everyone of us (us being the general population with eyes in working order) probably sees things slightly differently. It goes back to what someone brought up about whether the shade we see is actually what everyone else sees or just what we were told is "red." We might find similarities in the things we view, but chances are we all see it slightly differently, to some degree. This kind of ties into the idea of relativity. We all see things slightly differently, so what gives any one person the right to say what's right or wrong? And if a few, a group, millions of people see things one way, what makes their view right? The fact is, those memories of ours serve to help us process billions of bits of information at once, and who's to say that I, you, or anyone is wrong in how they see something? Or right for that same matter? ???WilliamP.S.--Thanks Kari J., for shedding some light on the eye color question.>From: psych3120-request@lists.csbs.utah.edu>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu>Subject: Psych3120 digest, Vol 1 #894 - 2 msgs>Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 12:02:33 -0600 (MDT)>>Send Psych3120 mailing list submissions to> psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu>>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> psych3120-request@lists.csbs.utah.edu>>You can reach the person managing the list at> psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu>>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific>than "Re: Contents of Psych3120 digest...">>>Today's Topics:>> 1. Message for the Board 2 (Emily Slager)> 2. Depth Perception (Jake Andreason)>>-- __--__-- >>Message: 1>Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 20:16:05 -0600>From: "Emily Slager" >To: "Cognitive Psychology" >Subject: [Psych3120] Message for the Board 2>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu>>------=_Part_1397_525784.1157595365820>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit>Content-Disposition: inline>>Hello all!>>I wrote this paragraph for the Messege Board last week, but I couldn't>figure out how to submit things. So I just saved it, and copied it here. >So>sorry if the thought is a bit "last week" :)>> A lecture on sensory and perception guided me to think about a recent>experience I had after lecture that day. I walked into the bathroom and >set>my cell phone down on the sink. When I came out of the stall moments >later,>the cell phone was not on the sink. It was something that I could have>perceived a number of ways. If I was in an inner city highschool in >Detroit,>I may perceive that it had been stolen. If I was in junior high and very>hated by a set of girls, I may think they took it away to be mean. It >could>have gotten stolen by a monkey, fell down the sink hole, taken away by a>god, etc.> But the fact that I do not think I have any enemies, I believe that>people don't (usually) steal cell phones, monkeys are well kept out of>buildings (and out of America), gods of stealing don't exist, etc, my first>perception of my missing cell phone sensory was that it had fallen. Indeed>it had! (Landed in my backpack, which is why it didn't make any noise).> How we perceive things has a lot to do with our "point-of-view" of the>world!>> Emily>>------=_Part_1397_525784.1157595365820>Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit>Content-Disposition: inline>>>> Hello all!&nbsp; >> I wrote this paragraph for the Messege Board last>week, but I couldn't figure out how to submit things. So I just saved>it, and copied it here.&nbsp; So sorry if the thought is a bit &quot;last>week&quot; :)>> &nbsp;&nbsp; A lecture on sensory and perception >guided me to think about a>recent experience I had after lecture that day.&nbsp; I walked into the>bathroom and set my cell phone down on the sink.&nbsp; When I came out of >the>stall moments later, the cell phone was not on the sink.&nbsp; It was >something>that I could have perceived a number of ways.&nbsp; If I was in an inner >city>highschool in Detroit,>I may perceive that it had been stolen.&nbsp; If I was in junior high and >very>hated by a set of girls, I may think they took it away to be mean.&nbsp; It>could have gotten stolen by a monkey, fell down the sink hole, taken away >by a>god, etc.&nbsp; >&nbsp;&nbsp; But the fact that I do not think I have any enemies, I believe>that people don't (usually) steal cell phones, monkeys are well kept out of >buildings>(and out of America), gods of stealing don't exist, etc, my first >perception of>my missing cell phone sensory was that it had fallen.&nbsp; Indeed it had!>(Landed in my backpack, which is why it didn't make any noise). >&nbsp;&nbsp; How we perceive things has a lot to do with our>&quot;point-of-view&quot; of the world!>&nbsp;>&nbsp;Emily>>>------=_Part_1397_525784.1157595365820-->>-- __--__-- >>Message: 2>From: "Jake Andreason" >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu>Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 11:10:20 -0600>Subject: [Psych3120] Depth Perception>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu>>I thought tuesdays lecture was pretty intersting. I've been drawing since I>was a kid, and while I'm not a professional, I thought it was interesting >to>learn about the techniques to show depth. I have been taught over and over>again to use techniques like shading, size, and vanishing points to try to>get the most realistic picture possible, but I guess now it just kind of>comes naturally so seeing examples of it in lecture kind of reminded me of>what I was doing. I think it's amazing that using our visual perception>pictures can be manipulated to see whatever the artist wants us to see. The>stereograms were kind of confusing though. That's probably just because >I've>always been horrible at figuring out those things.>>>>>-- __--__-- >>_______________________________________________>Psych3120 mailing list>Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu>http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120>>>End of Psych3120 Digest_________________________________________________________________Get the new Windows Live Messenger! http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=wlmailtagline--__--__--Message: 3Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 19:04:33 -0700 (PDT)From: alan richmond To: psych class Subject: [Psych3120] Seeing is Believing???Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.eduTodays class about illusions and constancies was funand interesting to me. It was fun for me to sitthrough the illusions that were presented in class andto be seeing one thing and then a moment later havethat one thing be shown as something else. It makesyou wonder how much of the information the we areprocessing is really "accurate" and if seeing reallyis believing.Alan Richmond__________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__--Message: 4Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 09:33:50 -0600From: "Katie" To: Subject: [Psych3120] Learned or innate?Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.eduThis is a multi-part message in MIME format.------_=_NextPart_001_01C6D35C.2F09A110Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1"Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printableThe thought question at the close of Thursday's lecture, "are =constancies inborn or are they learned through experiences?" made me =think a bit on the way home. When the questions was first posed in class =I immediately thought that this had to be innate. I dont remember ever =being "taught" about visual constancies or anything, it must just be one =of those automatic things that we just know. But I shouldn't really have =been surprised, because I suppose it's just like many other things in =psychology that we ask- nature or nurture?=20Like development of language, and behaviors, etc., there are certain =pieces than we are born with and others that we aquire along the way, =whether we are concious of it or not. This is just another thing that we =are given the tools for- the eyes, the brain and the many different =componants, and along with our experiences and learned contexts, we can =now percieve and make judgements without even thinking about it. =20Katie Johnson------_=_NextPart_001_01C6D35C.2F09A110Content-Type: text/html;charset="iso-8859-1"Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable=0A==0A= =0A==0A= The thought question at =the close of Thursday's lecture, "are constancies inborn or are they =learned through experiences?" made me think a bit on the way home. When =the questions was first posed in class I immediately thought that this =had to be innate. I dont remember ever being "taught" about visual =constancies or anything, it must just be one of those automatic things =that we just know. But I shouldn't really have been surprised, because I =suppose it's just like many other things in psychology that we =ask-&nbsp;nature or nurture? =0A= Like development of =language, and behaviors, etc., there are certain pieces than we are born =with and others that we aquire along the way, whether we are concious of =it or not. This is just another&nbsp;thing that we are given the tools =for- the eyes, the brain and the many different componants, and along =with our experiences and learned contexts, we can now&nbsp;percieve and =make judgements without even thinking about it.&nbsp; --MYWAYBOUNDARY_000__fcce1d03d2da5c7857f1c4951132e944 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

My question is about the lecture on Thursday when we were first shown an image of something moving, and then quickly changing to a stationary picture. Is this the same concept as dark adaptation? I know the actual process in the eye is most likely different. But the point is that any quick change visually takes time for our brain to catch up with what it is seeing. The time that our brain adapts is the amount of time it takes for it to process its new surroundings. So when you are in a vary bright room and then the lights are turned off, it takes time for your eyes to begin to see your surroundings. Is what we saw on Thursday different in anyway? Is there a time limit to seeing the stationary picture move, or can we tell our brain that it is actually moving and continue to see it move as long as we like? I'm sorry if this all seems like a really simple minded question, but I just think all of this is fascinating.

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Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 15:10:35 -0600
Subject: [Psych3120] Illusions...
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Today in class we saw the demonstration where the window was spinning around and after starring at it we thought that it wasn't spinning anymore, it was just moving back and forth. The professor then stuck a stick in the middle and when the window spun it just went back and forth, but the stick was still spinning as if it was magically going right through the window. Although we recieved a good explanation for this I still was wondering how this could happen. Since we learn rules of constancies, wouldn't our brain know that the stick couldn't possible spin right through something else? I know that we are already being tricked but we should know that this isn't possible and compensate for it somehow.


I don't know what would make this happen, but maybe it is because our brain recognizes that we are being tricked and totally discounts it allowing us to see what is really happening with the stick. I know that is far out there, but anybody elses' insight would help. Thanks,


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From: "William Gordon"
To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 15:31:57 -0600
Subject: [Psych3120] Relative Psychohorror
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I just put that in the subject line so you would read the post. I was
really just thinking that it's almost scary to think that everyone of us (us
being the general population with eyes in working order) probably sees
things slightly differently. It goes back to what someone brought up about
whether the shade we see is actually what everyone else sees or just what we
were told is "red." We might find similarities in the things we view, but
chances are we all see it slightly differently, to some degree. This kind
of ties into the idea of relativity. We all see things slightly
differently, so what gives any one person the right to say what's right or
wrong? And if a few, a group, millions of people see things one way, what
makes their view right? The fact is, those memories of ours serve to help
us process billions of bits of information at once, and who's to say that I,
you, or anyone is wrong in how they see something? Or right for that same
matter? ???

William

P.S.--Thanks Kari J., for shedding some light on the eye color question.

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>Hello all!
>
>I wrote this paragraph for the Messege Board last week, but I couldn't
>figure out how to submit things. So I just saved it, and copied it here.
>So
>sorry if the thought is a bit "last week" :)
>
> A lecture on sensory and perception guided me to think about a recent
>experience I had after lecture that day. I walked into the bathroom and
>set
>my cell phone down on the sink. When I came out of the stall moments
>later,
>the cell phone was not on the sink. It was something that I could have
>perceived a number of ways. If I was in an inner city highschool in
>Detroit,
>I may perceive that it had been stolen. If I was in junior high and very
>hated by a set of girls, I may think they took it away to be mean. It
>could
>have gotten stolen by a monkey, fell down the sink hole, taken away by a
>god, etc.
> But the fact that I do not think I have any enemies, I believe that
>people don't (usually) steal cell phones, monkeys are well kept out of
>buildings (and out of America), gods of stealing don't exist, etc, my first
>perception of my missing cell phone sensory was that it had fallen. Indeed
>it had! (Landed in my backpack, which is why it didn't make any noise).
> How we perceive things has a lot to do with our "point-of-view" of the
>world!
>
> Emily
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Hello all!&nbsp;

>


>

I wrote this paragraph for the Messege Board last
>week, but I couldn't figure out how to submit things. So I just saved
>it, and copied it here.&nbsp; So sorry if the thought is a bit &quot;last
>week&quot; :)

>


>

&nbsp;&nbsp; A lecture on sensory and perception
>guided me to think about a
>recent experience I had after lecture that day.&nbsp; I walked into the
>bathroom and set my cell phone down on the sink.&nbsp; When I came out of
>the
>stall moments later, the cell phone was not on the sink.&nbsp; It was
>something
>that I could have perceived a number of ways.&nbsp; If I was in an inner
>city
>highschool in Detroit,
>I may perceive that it had been stolen.&nbsp; If I was in junior high and
>very
>hated by a set of girls, I may think they took it away to be mean.&nbsp; It
>could have gotten stolen by a monkey, fell down the sink hole, taken away
>by a
>god, etc.&nbsp;

>&nbsp;&nbsp; But the fact that I do not think I have any enemies, I believe
>that people don't (usually) steal cell phones, monkeys are well kept out of
>buildings
>(and out of America), gods of stealing don't exist, etc, my first
>perception of
>my missing cell phone sensory was that it had fallen.&nbsp; Indeed it had!
>(Landed in my backpack, which is why it didn't make any noise).

>&nbsp;&nbsp; How we perceive things has a lot to do with our
>&quot;point-of-view&quot; of the world!

>&nbsp;

>&nbsp;Emily


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>From: "Jake Andreason"
>To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu
>Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 11:10:20 -0600
>Subject: [Psych3120] Depth Perception
>Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu
>
>I thought tuesdays lecture was pretty intersting. I've been drawing since I
>was a kid, and while I'm not a professional, I thought it was interesting
>to
>learn about the techniques to show depth. I have been taught over and over
>again to use techniques like shading, size, and vanishing points to try to
>get the most realistic picture possible, but I guess now it just kind of
>comes naturally so seeing examples of it in lecture kind of reminded me of
>what I was doing. I think it's amazing that using our visual perception
>pictures can be manipulated to see whatever the artist wants us to see. The
>stereograms were kind of confusing though. That's probably just because
>I've
>always been horrible at figuring out those things.
>
>
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Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 19:04:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: alan richmond
To: psych class
Subject: [Psych3120] Seeing is Believing???
Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu

Todays class about illusions and constancies was fun
and interesting to me. It was fun for me to sit
through the illusions that were presented in class and
to be seeing one thing and then a moment later have
that one thing be shown as something else. It makes
you wonder how much of the information the we are
processing is really "accurate" and if seeing really
is believing.

Alan Richmond

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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 09:33:50 -0600
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of those automatic things that we just know. But I shouldn't really have =
been surprised, because I suppose it's just like many other things in =
psychology that we ask- nature or nurture?=20
Like development of language, and behaviors, etc., there are certain =
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whether we are concious of it or not. This is just another thing that we =
are given the tools for- the eyes, the brain and the many different =
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This weeks lectures clearly demonstrated that when processing events everything is relative, and context largely determines how we view the world. I was truly amazed by many of the illusions that were presented, particularly the two tables and the checker board.  I had a hard time believing that these could be true, and that our perceptual system follows many rules so diligently that the real properties of object are lost. This demonstrates how our mind, when placed under the right conditions, can create a reality of its own. This reminds me of a experiment (although I can not remember all the details, including the name) that demonstrated just how easily swayed individuals are when pressed to conform when their beliefs go against the beliefs of everyone else. In this experiment several subjects were asked (although only one individual was the real subjects and all the other subjects were involved in the experiment) if two lines were of the same length. The lines were clearly not the same length yet the hired subjects all insisted that they were. Soon the real subject gave in and when asked again to determine the length of the lines agreed that they were in fact the same, although this assertion clearly went against reality. New studies have shown that this phenomenon may have more do with brain processes than with the individual themselves, and that the brain actually begins to process the lines as being of equal length. This and many of the illusions seen in class have great implications about human nature and how our brain is structured.  In many cases, our brain may take reality into its own hands, and determine how we are actually perceiving the world.
From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sat Sep 9 15:54:45 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Darin Mano) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 08:54:45 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Vision and Drawing Message-ID: <3b4d82fa0609090754o149fb02eq3dc5fce81b3f7d2d@mail.gmail.com> I am by no means a seasoned artist. However, as an Architecture student I do a considerable amount of drawing. It is really true that artists use these depth ques to make drawings or realisic. We are currently doing a drawing in which we have to first do a perspective drawing, then trace over it and find the horizon line and vanishing points and finially redraw it with close detail to the vanisihing points and horizon line etc. I have gotten up to this point and the drawing looks a thousand time better than it did before I fixed the perspective. I do understand how perspective works so I was using it as best I could to start with, but once I stuck to it perfectly it started to look a thousand times better. Now I am working on shading and toning the drawings. This is another tool that will use to make the drawing more realistic. I am exited that I havethe opportunity to learn about these things in two different fields of study. It gives me an opportuinty to understand them more fully. -- Darin M. Mano From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sat Sep 9 18:48:26 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (ryan green) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 10:48:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] A Critique Pt. I Message-ID: <20060909174826.61119.qmail@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --0-637628429-1157824106=:55955 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit A Simple, Unbiased, Unprejudiced, Unadulterated, Unfinished Critique Part I I have really enjoyed everyone’s contributions to the message board. However, there seemed to be one thing missing: A Critique of Daniel T. Willingham’s Cognition: The Thinking Animal. So, I have taken it upon myself to do a quick analysis (based on first impressionsJ) of our textbook. I will start with the pessimistic side of things simply because it didn’t take me more than reading half way through the first page of the Preface to become outraged. (Ok, “outraged” is a strong word… “Acutely concerned”, if you will). It all started on page xiii in the third paragraph where Willingham boldly asserts: “To be honest, I’ve never cared much for the way that other textbooks have sought to keep students interested. The usual strategy is to include “real world” examples and lots of demonstrations, usually found in little boxes that appear every few pages. This strategy seems to confirm the reader’s growing suspicion that they are bored by sending the implicit message, “Yes, yes, I know this stuff is boring, but hang in there, and every few pages I’ll toss in one of those boxes with a demonstration or real-world application to keep you going.” I really appreciate his honesty, but I’m curious what he has against “real world” examples/applications and demonstrations that keep a student’s interest. I’m quite certain that if you did a survey of General Philosophy or General Psychology students and their textbooks, you’d find that those unnecessary “real world” examples/applications and demonstrations are actually quiet helpful and interesting. They allow what Willingham considers to be boring subject matter to have everyday relevance. Moreover, they spark students’ intrigue about practical application of the subject matter which motivates them to seek more information about the information given. Furthermore, students will have a greater interest in their classes because they will see the theoretical or research oriented information having relevance in their lives thereby encouraging them to talk about and reflect on what they have learned which, as they discuss the information with friends and family and get different points of view, will then help them become better critical analysts in all aspects of their lives. Don’t get me wrong. I don’t think that every page of every text book has always held every students’ attention 100% of the time. However, I do think that Willingham is being overly pessimistic when he says that by adding demonstrations etc. (even if they are only a few pages away from each other) that it sends an implicit message to the student that the “stuff is boring”. His pessimism reminds me of Richard Dawkins’ consistent cynicism. Unfortunately for Dawkins, this kind of cynicism has gotten him in more trouble than not in intellectual/scholarly circles (see Michael J. Behe’s Darwin’s Black Box: The Biological Challenge to Evolution and Phillip E. Johnson’s Darwin on Trial). Noting both the title of Willingham’s book (The Thinking Animal) and his pessimism, I couldn’t help but make the connection to Dawkins’ own work in The Selfish Gene and The Blind Watchmaker. There must be a connection between pessimistic authors and the formula used in titling books: definite article + adjective + noun = best seller. I just hope for Willingham’s sake that he doesn’t get the back lashings in the intellectual community that this Dawkinsesque cynicism usually brings. Nevertheless, it must also be noted that it seems that Willingham has fallen into that old psychological snare where you put someone down to make yourself look better. Besides the manifestly childish nature of this kind of behavior, he also falls into the paradoxical snare that almost invariably follows. That is, in looking down on someone else (eg. saying that real-world examples, applications and demonstrations indicate a boring subject matter), you are then implicitly categorizing yourself with the people you are condemning (eg. as Willingham inappropriately condemns text books, his own text bears less intellectual weight). And don’t worry, the $100+ per book that you spent on your textbooks is not being wasted by authors adding real-world examples, applications and demonstrations to the text. It may be being wasted on other things, like expensive luncheons to entertain high-priced lecturers, but it’s not being wasted on the research they did to put the examples, applications and demonstrations in your book. 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A Simple, Unbiased, Unprejudiced, Unadulterated, Unfinished Critique
Part I
 
            I have really enjoyed everyone’s contributions to the message board. However, there seemed to be one thing missing: A Critique of Daniel T. Willingham’s Cognition: The Thinking Animal. So, I have taken it upon myself to do a quick analysis (based on first impressionsJ) of our textbook.
 
            I will start with the pessimistic side of things simply because it didn’t take me more than reading half way through the first page of the Preface to become outraged. (Ok, “outraged” is a strong word… “Acutely concerned”, if you will). It all started on page xiii in the third paragraph where Willingham boldly asserts:
 
“To be honest, I’ve never cared much for the way that other textbooks have sought to keep students interested. The usual strategy is to include “real world” examples and lots of demonstrations, usually found in little boxes that appear every few pages. This strategy seems to confirm the reader’s growing suspicion that they are bored by sending the implicit message, “Yes, yes, I know this stuff is boring, but hang in there, and every few pages I’ll toss in one of those boxes with a demonstration or real-world application to keep you going.”
 
I really appreciate his honesty, but I’m curious what he has against “real world” examples/applications and demonstrations that keep a student’s interest. I’m quite certain that if you did a survey of General Philosophy or General Psychology students and their textbooks, you’d find that those unnecessary “real world” examples/applications and demonstrations are actually quiet helpful and interesting. They allow what Willingham considers to be boring subject matter to have everyday relevance. Moreover, they spark students’ intrigue about practical application of the subject matter which motivates them to seek more information about the information given. Furthermore, students will have a greater interest in their classes because they will see the theoretical or research oriented information having relevance in their lives thereby encouraging them to talk about and reflect on what they have learned which, as they discuss the information with friends and family and get different points of view, will then help them become better critical analysts in all aspects of their lives.
Don’t get me wrong. I don’t think that every page of every text book has always held every students’ attention 100% of the time. However, I do think that Willingham is being overly pessimistic when he says that by adding demonstrations etc. (even if they are only a few pages away from each other) that it sends an implicit message to the student that the “stuff is boring”. His pessimism reminds me of Richard Dawkins’ consistent cynicism. Unfortunately for Dawkins, this kind of cynicism has gotten him in more trouble than not in intellectual/scholarly circles (see Michael J. Behe’s Darwin’s Black Box: The Biological Challenge to Evolution and Phillip E. Johnson’s Darwin on Trial). Noting both the title of Willingham’s book (The Thinking Animal) and his pessimism, I couldn’t help but make the connection to Dawkins’ own work in The Selfish Gene and The Blind Watchmaker. There must be a connection between pessimistic authors and the formula used in titling books: definite article + adjective + noun = best seller. I just hope for Willingham’s sake that he doesn’t get the back lashings in the intellectual community that this Dawkinsesque cynicism usually brings.    
Nevertheless, it must also be noted that it seems that Willingham has fallen into that old psychological snare where you put someone down to make yourself look better. Besides the manifestly childish nature of this kind of behavior, he also falls into the paradoxical snare that almost invariably follows. That is, in looking down on someone else (eg. saying that real-world examples, applications and demonstrations indicate a boring subject matter), you are then implicitly categorizing yourself with the people you are condemning (eg. as Willingham inappropriately condemns text books, his own text bears less intellectual weight).  
And don’t worry, the $100+ per book that you spent on your textbooks is not being wasted by authors adding real-world examples, applications and demonstrations to the text. It may be being wasted on other things, like expensive luncheons to entertain high-priced lecturers, but it’s not being wasted on the research they did to put the examples, applications and demonstrations in your book.
 
 
 
Thanks,
Ryan Green
 
Part II coming soon…   
 
 
 

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well i missed last weeks entry si i figured that i need to get on this.  it has been very hard for me to get motivated this semester because i work so much and by the time i get home at night i am completly exhausted.  no excuses though, because i know that everone works hard and school work comes first.  i am really enjoying this class, every time i leave i feel as if i have learned so much how perception is a reality.  i have just been thinking about the demonstration in class where there was the swirling picture and it switched over to a stationary picture and the stationary picture kept moving.  i have never been a person that has taken much thought into such things.  i guess i am really lucky to be able to attend a university and expose myself to these types of situations.  i have been reflecting back on my college career, ( that is what i am calling it because i have been attending college for several years.) and i can finally see the light at the end of the tunnel.  if anyone in the class has some good advice to establish good reading habits i am all game to hear them, i suffer with adhd and it is very difficult to sit down and stay focued for any amount of time.  i am starting to feel some anxiety because i know that tests are right around the corner.  thank you for sharing any advice.   




JAKE
From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sun Sep 10 05:18:08 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Ariann Beglarian) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 21:18:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] illusions/mirages...the moon! Message-ID: <20060910041808.65356.qmail@web31609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> So, as I was walking home from work on friday night, I looked up into the sky and saw the full moon hovering just above the capitol. It looked enormous, and as I was appreciating the beauty of the giant moon before me I began to think back the lecture the previous day. An idea came to me: my phone is a camera phone, and the moon appeared to be large enough, from where i was standing, to be the center of any photograph taken. I took out my phone and snapped a picture, which to me appeared to be taken up mostly by the moon. When the picture flashed across my screen, i couldn't tell the difference between the moon and the streetlights! the moon had become so minute in the photograph that it matched the size of the round streetlights lining the freeway. I couldn't believe how tiny it was in the picture, compared to what I was seeing. It was a very strange feeling to see the moon, in all its majesty, huge and hovering over the city and then to see a puny, glowing dot on the screen of my phone. The explanation for this phenomena in class was not clear, it seemed to me no one has been able to fully explain the reasoning behind it, but it was definitely mind boggling. As I stared at it, it seemed to be, compared with the size of the of the capitol, fairly monsterous...it overpowered the capitol itself! yet in the picture, it was a small, blazing circle, barely measuring up to the size of the dome on the top of the building. its amazing, shocking and though provoking. How could this be? Its truly amazing. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sun Sep 10 06:11:06 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (ryan green) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 22:11:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Contribution 2 Message-ID: <20060910051107.54009.qmail@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --0-900212173-1157865066=:53094 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit A Simple, Unbiased, Unprejudiced, Unadulterated, Mostly Finished Observation (not 100% critique this time) Part II I want to start Part II with an open and welcoming invitation to everyone who reads the message board (or friends, family and neighbors of those who read the message board) to please feel free to critique my critiques. After all, isn’t peer review one of the many backbones of scientific enquiry? Part II is going to be a little different from Part I; a digression of sorts. Allow me to set the stage by pointing attention to page 7 and paragraph 3 of Daniel T. Willingham’s Cognition: The Thinking Animal. Here, Willingham states that the real contribution the ancient Greek philosophers made to scientific enquiry “lay not in their specific questions but in three assumptions they made that allowed them to pose those questions.” He lists these three assumptions as: (1) The world can be understood and predicted because it works in systematic ways. If events occurred randomly or at the whim of capricious gods, trying to predict events would be hopeless. (2) Humans are part of the physical world, and as is true for other entities in the world, we can potentially understand and predict how they will operate. If humans were completely different from physical objects and animals, we could never hope to predict what people might do or think. (3) Explanations of events in this world should rely on other events within this world instead of invoking magical or mystical happenings. For example, Hippocrates proposed that epilepsy was a disease of the body (as other diseases were understood to be), thereby rejecting earlier views that it resulted from direct intervention of a god. These assumptions are in themselves problematic and I will spend time evaluating those problems in Part III. However, I want to focus first on what Willingham says directly after listing the assumptions. He goes on to say that, “These beliefs seem so natural to us today that it is hard to remember that they are assumptions” (pg. 8) (my emphasis). Like I said in Part I, I really do appreciate his candid honesty, simply because it is through his candor that many interesting things are revealed. In reminding us that these assumptions are merely “beliefs” that scientist ascribe to, Willingham is implicitly stating that this science, that we have relied so heavily on for our understanding of “truth”, is in itself based on potentially fallible “assumptions” or “beliefs” and not cold hard facts. In other words, the very premises on which science has built its foundations are in fact nothing more than philosophical propositions that have been taken for granted or believed in (see definition for “assumption” which will refer you back to the verb “to assume”). Furthermore, it appears that science itself has entered the realm of religion, which it sought so hard to avoid. It’s a classic case of running so fast away from something that you run right smack into the hind end of the very thing you were trying to escape. I believe. You believe. Scientists believe. We all believe in something (even if it’s in your own self, or if it’s in nothing; eg. Nihilism and its inherent paradox), which then becomes the basis for our worldviews, which in turn becomes the basis for our actions and behaviors. I don’t want to put everyone’s head in a tailspin. I just want to point out that because scientific principles are themselves based on assumptions, that the logical conclusion is that science, though we tend to rely on it as if it were a god, has its limitations. And if scientific enquiry, because of its limitations, cannot give us all the answers, I think it is fair to point out that what Jews and Judeo-Christians have been saying for years is worthy of intellectual, scholarly considerations. That is to say, the proposition in the book of Romans, chapter 11 and verse 33, which states, “O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!” (my emphasis added), is just as valid of an assumption as “[e]xplanations of events in this world should rely on other events within this world instead of invoking magical or mystical happenings” as the ancient Greeks believed. Having said that, I will close by saying that even though scientists are generally pegged by various publications and the media as belonging to a category loosely called something like “evolutionary secular humanists”, that there are many scientists all over the world who still do science in their labs everyday, but do it not with the bias of finding naturalistic explanations of, and naturalistic solutions to, the world in which we live, but with the bias of better understanding those “unsearchable” “past finding out” ways of God. Both are biases. Both are based on assumptions; “God”, “no god”. Both are beyond our abilities to prove without a shadow of a doubt. And both are, at the core, essentially religious. I believe. You believe. We believe. Thanks, Ryan Green Part III coming soon... --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. --0-900212173-1157865066=:53094 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
A Simple, Unbiased, Unprejudiced, Unadulterated, Mostly Finished Observation (not 100% critique this time)
 
Part II
 
            I want to start Part II with an open and welcoming invitation to everyone who reads the message board (or friends, family and neighbors of those who read the message board) to please feel free to critique my critiques. After all, isn’t peer review one of the many backbones of scientific enquiry?
 
            Part II is going to be a little different from Part I; a digression of sorts. Allow me to set the stage by pointing attention to page 7 and paragraph 3 of Daniel T. Willingham’s Cognition: The Thinking Animal. Here, Willingham states that the real contribution the ancient Greek philosophers made to scientific enquiry “lay not in their specific questions but in three assumptions they made that allowed them to pose those questions.” He lists these three assumptions as:
 
(1) The world can be understood and predicted because it works in systematic ways. If events occurred randomly or at the whim of capricious gods, trying to predict events would be hopeless.  
(2) Humans are part of the physical world, and as is true for other entities in the world, we can potentially understand and predict how they will operate. If humans were completely different from physical objects and animals, we could never hope to predict what people might do or think.
(3) Explanations of events in this world should rely on other events within this world instead of invoking magical or mystical happenings. For example, Hippocrates proposed that epilepsy was a disease of the body (as other diseases were understood to be), thereby rejecting earlier views that it resulted from direct intervention of a god.
 
            These assumptions are in themselves problematic and I will spend time evaluating those problems in Part III. However, I want to focus first on what Willingham says directly after listing the assumptions. He goes on to say that, “These beliefs seem so natural to us today that it is hard to remember that they are assumptions” (pg. 8) (my emphasis). Like I said in Part I, I really do appreciate his candid honesty, simply because it is through his candor that many interesting things are revealed. In reminding us that these assumptions are merely “beliefs” that scientist ascribe to, Willingham is implicitly stating that this science, that we have relied so heavily on for our understanding of “truth”, is in itself based on potentially fallible “assumptions” or “beliefs” and not cold hard facts. In other words, the very premises on which science has built its foundations are in fact nothing more than philosophical propositions that have been taken for granted or believed in (see definition for “assumption” which will refer you back to the verb “to assume”). Furthermore, it appears that science itself has entered the realm of religion, which it sought so hard to avoid. It’s a classic case of running so fast away from something that you run right smack into the hind end of the very thing you were trying to escape. I believe. You believe. Scientists believe. We all believe in something (even if it’s in your own self, or if it’s in nothing; eg. Nihilism and its inherent paradox), which then becomes the basis for our worldviews, which in turn becomes the basis for our actions and behaviors.   
 
I don’t want to put everyone’s head in a tailspin. I just want to point out that because scientific principles are themselves based on assumptions, that the logical conclusion is that science, though we tend to rely on it as if it were a god, has its limitations. And if scientific enquiry, because of its limitations, cannot give us all the answers, I think it is fair to point out that what Jews and Judeo-Christians have been saying for years is worthy of intellectual, scholarly considerations. That is to say, the proposition in the book of Romans, chapter 11 and verse 33, which states, “O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!” (my emphasis added), is just as valid of an assumption as “[e]xplanations of events in this world should rely on other events within this world instead of invoking magical or mystical happenings” as the ancient Greeks believed.  
 
Having said that, I will close by saying that even though scientists are generally pegged by various publications and the media as belonging to a category loosely called something like “evolutionary secular humanists”, that there are many scientists all over the world who still do science in their labs everyday, but do it not with the bias of finding naturalistic explanations of, and naturalistic solutions to, the world in which we live, but with the bias of better understanding those “unsearchable” “past finding out” ways of God.
 
Both are biases. Both are based on assumptions; “God”, “no god”. Both are beyond our abilities to prove without a shadow of a doubt. And both are, at the core, essentially religious. I believe. You believe. We believe.
 
Thanks,
Ryan Green
 
Part III coming soon...

Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. --0-900212173-1157865066=:53094-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sun Sep 10 18:55:38 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Alisha Christiasnen) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 10:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Message #2 Message-ID: <20060910175538.81040.qmail@web56614.mail.re3.yahoo.com> --0-928193759-1157910938=:81038 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Throughout the last week I have enjoyed learning about how we perceive things versus what our eyes are actually looking at and about the various illusions. The table was the one I liked that most because it was very hard to let yourself believe that both the tabletops were the same size. I also like watching that window looking thing spin, if I looked with both eyes it still looked like it was spinning but if I looked with one eye it looked like it was moving side to side. I think that is interesting how even though we knew it was spinning around our mind perceived that was instead moving side to side. It makes you think what other things in life that we see on a regular basis are really just illusion or a mirage. Another thing is how we use various cues to view depth, pictoral, movement, and binocular and how each one works to help us perceive what we are looking at so it makes sense to us. --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. --0-928193759-1157910938=:81038 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Throughout the last week I have enjoyed learning about how we perceive things versus what our eyes are actually looking at and about the various illusions. The table was the one I liked that most because it was very hard to let yourself believe that both the tabletops were the same size. I also like watching that window looking  thing spin, if I looked with both eyes it still looked like it was spinning but if I looked with one eye it looked like it was moving side to side. I think that is interesting how even though we knew it was spinning around our mind perceived that was instead moving side to side. It makes you think what other things in life that we see on a regular basis are really just illusion or a mirage. Another thing is how we use various cues to view depth, pictoral, movement, and binocular and how each one works to help us perceive what we are looking at so it makes sense to us.

Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. --0-928193759-1157910938=:81038-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sun Sep 10 22:01:49 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Lexi Breeze) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:01:49 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: Hey! I find the mind so fascinating! We have been talking a lot in class about perception still, and what I want to discuss is the constancies, how your mind will fill in the blanks. The mind is incredibly lazy, and it made me think about in my gender class we have been talking about race- stereotypes and such- and how it can totally blow your mind when you come across a person that doesn't fit your stereotype. The mind will put things into groups wherever possible because it doesn't want to have to create another category for something different to go in. I think this is another reason that the mind will fill in the blanks to things that look close to something we already have a category for. We know what a traingle looks like and if this new figure looks a lot like it, might as well stick it in with the existing ones! _________________________________________________________________ Check the weather nationwide with MSN Search: Try it now! http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=weather&FORM=WLMTAG From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Mon Sep 11 00:41:13 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (jolene stehlin) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 17:41:13 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: A year or so ago, I received an email that had a paragraph in which every word was misspelled. What was interesting about it was that you could read it perfectly. Each word had the correct first and last letter and the letters in the middle were correct, but in the wrong order. I now understand that this was an example of Top-Down Processing and because we have seen these words so many times and have so much "prior knowledge" of them, it made it easy to recognize and read them correctly. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Spaces is here! It’s easy to create your own personal Web site. http://spaces.live.com/signup.aspx From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Mon Sep 11 04:18:24 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Kim Endersen) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:18:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] In response to Jessica's question on color blindness..... Message-ID: <20060911031824.77198.qmail@web35313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --0-338613073-1157944704=:74991 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Jessica posted a question the other day about color blindness and if there are different types. Well in answer to your question, Jessica, yes there are. You talked about your visits to your eye doctor and how you were shown a bunch of dots and told to identify the number you saw in the dots. This test is designed to identify congenital "color blindness," or color-blindness that is present in individuals from birth. Congential color deficiencies are the most common and most cases are characterized by red-green color deficiencies (you can also have blue yellow deficiencies, they are EXTREMELY rare, They are classified as tritanomalia and tritanopia). There are two types of red-green deficiencies: one is called a protan type and the other is called a deutan type. Now these two groups also each have two subgroups. A person classified as a protan type can have a complete deficiency (protanopia) or partial (protanomalia). A person classifed as a deutan can also have a complete (deuteranopia) or partial (duteranomalia) deficiencies. For people with protanopia, what a person with normal color-vision would see as blue-green, they see gray. For deueranopes, what a person with normal color-vision would see as green appears gray. For people classified with protanomalia and deuteranomalia, the colors identified by those with protanopia or deuteranopia as gray, are a kind of greyish color they can't make out. For people with red-green deficiencies , blues and yellows are very vivid. There is another group of people who suffer from total color weakness, in which only very clear colors can be perceived. This is a very rare condition. Just as rare are those individuals born with total color blindness. These people can't discriminate between colors at all. The test Jessica was referring to is often known as Ishihara's color-blindness test. In this test, patients are shown different plates. Each of these plates consist of circles made up of different color dots, usually just different shades of the same color, with numbers in the middle comprised of different colors of dots. In one of these plate, the circle encasing the number is made up of primarily two different shades of green. The number in the middle is made up of dots of oranges and reds. The number a person with normal color vision would see is 8, a person with a red-green deficiency would see the number 3, and a person with total color blindness or color weakness would see no number at all. In another plate, the circle is made up of bright oranges, yellows, and reds, while the number is made up of greens. A person with normal color vision would see the number 16, and those with red-green deficiencies would not be able to determine any number at all. And in yet another plate, the circle is made up of greens, bright oranges, browns, grays, tans, and blues. A person with normal color vision is unable to make out any number at all in the circle while those with red-green deficiencies can see a #2! So Jessica, I hope that answers your questions about there being different types of color blindness. Since we'll be talking about color vision next week in class, I'm sure our professor can give much more insight then I can. *note: Most of my information comes directly from Ishihara's "The Series of Plates Designed as a Test for Colour-Blindness" --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. --0-338613073-1157944704=:74991 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Jessica posted a question the other day about color blindness and if there are different types.  Well in answer to your question, Jessica, yes there are.  You talked about your visits to your eye doctor and how you were shown a bunch of dots and told to identify the number you saw in the dots.  This test is designed to identify congenital "color blindness," or color-blindness that is present in individuals from birth.  Congential color deficiencies are the most common and most cases are characterized by red-green color deficiencies (you can also have blue yellow deficiencies, they are EXTREMELY rare,  They are classified as tritanomalia and tritanopia).  There are two types of red-green deficiencies: one is called a protan type and the other is called a deutan type.  Now these two groups also each have two subgroups.  A person classified as a protan type can have a complete deficiency (protanopia) or partial (protanomalia).  A person classifed as a deutan can also have a complete (deuteranopia) or partial (duteranomalia) deficiencies.  For people with protanopia, what a person with normal color-vision would see as blue-green, they see gray.  For deueranopes, what a person with normal color-vision would see as green appears gray.  For people classified with protanomalia and deuteranomalia, the colors identified by those with protanopia or deuteranopia as gray, are a kind of greyish color they can't make out.  For people with red-green deficiencies , blues and yellows are very vivid.  There is another group of people who suffer from total color weakness, in which only very clear colors can be perceived.  This is a very rare condition.  Just as rare are those individuals born with total color blindness.  These people can't discriminate between colors at all.  The test Jessica was referring to is often known as Ishihara's color-blindness test.  In this test, patients are shown different plates.  Each of these plates consist of circles made up of different color dots, usually just different shades of the same color, with numbers in the middle comprised of different colors of dots.  In one of these plate, the circle encasing the number is made up of primarily two different shades of green.  The number in the middle is made up of dots of oranges and reds.  The number a person with normal color vision would see is 8, a person with a red-green deficiency would see the number 3, and a person with total color blindness or color weakness would see no number at all.  In another plate, the circle is made up of bright oranges, yellows, and reds, while the number is made up of greens.  A person with normal color vision would see the number 16, and those with red-green deficiencies would not be able to determine any number at all.  And in yet another plate, the circle is made up of greens, bright oranges, browns, grays, tans, and blues.  A person with normal color vision is unable to make out any number at all in the circle while those with red-green deficiencies can see a #2!  So Jessica, I hope that answers your questions about there being different types of color blindness.  Since we'll be talking about color vision next week in class, I'm sure our professor can give much more insight then I can. 
*note: Most of my information comes directly from Ishihara's "The Series of Plates Designed as a Test for Colour-Blindness"
   

Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. --0-338613073-1157944704=:74991-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Mon Sep 11 04:30:04 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Brett Larsen) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:30:04 -0700 Subject: [Psych3120] Perception Message-ID: Class this week has made me realize how complex and amazing our sight is, but at the same time how easily it can be tricked or flawed. It is so amazing to me that our vision can make sense out of the magic eye pictures that are just made up by millions of littler repeating pixels, but our visual perception is so advanced that we can percieve a picture, its amazing. But then our vision can be so easily fooled by the ame's room or the revolving window. Things we think we see are not always what they seem, for instnace mirrages and illusions we think we see someting when it can be completley dependent on how you look at it. I think this is what makes it so hard to really believe eye witness testimony, because based on what their vantage point was or what preconcieved ideas they had two people who saw the same thing might might remember a completely different chain of events. _________________________________________________________________ All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. Get a free 90-day trial! http://www.windowsonecare.com/trial.aspx?sc_cid=msn_hotmail From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Mon Sep 11 04:43:36 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Aubrey Wilkinson) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:43:36 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] believing is seeing? In-Reply-To: <200609101802.k8AI22Fq017161@topo.csbs.utah.edu> Message-ID:

as I muse over the lectures from the classes thus far, I can't help but be struck with the thought of how distorted our visual perception of the world is. I never realized just how far our brains go to adjust the images we view in order to fit our beliefs of what we SHOULD be seeing. I've been placing less and less confidence in the things I think I see with every class. A thought that goes hand-in-hand with this, is how different each person's individual perceptions must be. It's impossible to compare what people are exactly seeing, because as far as I know we haven't invented the "I'm-about-to-jump-into-your-brain-for-a-sec-and-see-exactly-what-you-see" Machine... but I could be wrong.
People often don't know they're colorblind, for example, because they've been taught their whole lives that a certain shade was the color "red," but one person's red, might look entirely different than another person's red. Maybe this is the reason people have different "favorite colors."
It's always a bit unnerving when you learn things and realize just how ignorant and oblivious you are!

From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Mon Sep 11 17:28:37 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Becca Vrabel) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:28:37 +0000 Subject: [Psych3120] Unbelievable Message-ID: I honestly can't believe some of the illusions that we were shown in class! I would look at some of them (especially the two tables of the same shape...) and be dead set that they weren't true. But then I would see that they are. No way! Our perception is altered by so many things.... _________________________________________________________________ Check the weather nationwide with MSN Search: Try it now! http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=weather&FORM=WLMTAG From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Mon Sep 11 18:00:39 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Benjamin Divine) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:00:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Indiana Jones! Message-ID: <20060911170039.53731.qmail@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --0-1788243803-1157994039=:51071 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have also been fascinated with the current topics we are studying right now. I find it extremely helpful that Dr.Strayer uses actual visual presentation to teach rather difficult concepts. It makes it much easier for me to grasp when I am presented with visuals rather than raw textual data. It has been awhile since I have visited Disneyland but I remember that one of my favorite rides in the park was the Indiana Jones ride. The most exciting part of the ride to me is during the end of the ride where it looks like a giant round rock is rolling down a steep trail on track to smash and kill everyone seated in the ride's vehicle. Of course, this never happens and everyone "narrowly escapes" being crushed. My friends and I would go on this ride over and over again to try and get a better look at this giant rock and to see how close we actually were coming to it before escaping. I remember throwing a penny (disobeying the ride's rules of course) at the rock during the ride and it seemed as though it went right through the rock as if it were an illusion. Now, I am pretty sure I cannot speak for Disney but it would seem ludicrous to actually involve a real giant rock barely miss hitting hundreds of people going on this ride a day. It seems more clear to me now after learning about illusions how Disney might have constructed this ride. There are different shading and texture cues placed on the illusionary rock as well motion cues creating fear and anxiety. The park does a wonderful job at making this rock look extremely real and I would not be surprised if many more rides at Disneyland incorporated mere illusions or constancies. --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. --0-1788243803-1157994039=:51071 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have also been fascinated with the current topics we are studying right now.  I find it extremely helpful that Dr.Strayer uses actual visual presentation to teach rather difficult concepts.  It makes it much easier for me to grasp when I am presented with visuals rather than raw textual data. 
   
It has been awhile since I have visited Disneyland but I remember that one of my favorite rides in the park was the Indiana Jones ride.  The most exciting part of the ride to me is during the end of the ride where it looks like a giant round rock is rolling down a steep trail on track to smash and kill everyone seated in the ride's vehicle.  Of course, this never happens and everyone "narrowly escapes" being crushed.  My friends and I would go on this ride over and over again to try and get a better look at this giant rock and to see how close we actually were coming to it before escaping.  I remember throwing a penny (disobeying the ride's rules of course) at the rock during the ride and it seemed as though it went right through the rock as if it were an illusion.  Now, I am pretty sure I cannot speak for Disney but it would seem ludicrous to actually involve a real giant rock barely miss hitting hundreds of people going on this ride a day.  It seems more clear to me now after learning about illusions how Disney might have constructed this ride.  There are different shading and texture cues placed on the illusionary rock as well motion cues creating fear and anxiety.  The park does a wonderful job at making this rock look extremely real and I would not be surprised if many more rides at Disneyland incorporated mere illusions or constancies.  

Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. --0-1788243803-1157994039=:51071-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Mon Sep 11 18:36:32 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Jennifer Adams) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:36:32 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] the moon Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C6D596.88216B20 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0060_01C6D596.88216B20" ------=_NextPart_001_0060_01C6D596.88216B20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 I, too, noticed the moon Friday night! It was fantastic! It looked so = huge as it came up over the mountains, and it had a yellow tint to it that = was beautiful! I didn=92t think to take a picture on my phone, but I am = interested to hear that someone did and learned that it really does happen. This = may be a stupid question, but I thought that some of the reason it looks close = to us is that the orbits are all elliptical, not a perfect circle. Is that = not true? And, I would think that the moon would look small in comparison to = the mountains, whereas in the Midwest it may look bigger because it=92s = compared to flat land and trees=85=85. =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0060_01C6D596.88216B20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I, too, noticed the moon Friday night! It was fantastic! It = looked so huge as it came up over the mountains, and it had a yellow tint to it = that was beautiful! I didn’t think to take a picture on my phone, but I am interested to hear that someone did and learned that it really does = happen. This may be a stupid question, but I thought that some of the reason it = looks close to us is that the orbits are all elliptical, not a perfect circle. = Is that not true? And, I would think that the moon would look small in = comparison to the mountains, whereas in the Midwest it may look bigger because = it’s compared to flat land and = trees…….

 

 

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i was wondering if anyone else is having problems fully answering the study guide
questions. i attend class everyday but i feel like he never fully answers the questions
or doesn't give you a ton of info other then what is on his slides which are
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Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. --0-1394245580-1157997585=:57518-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Mon Sep 11 22:30:43 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Reed Dow) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:30:43 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] evolutionary benefit? Message-ID: I wonder what kind of evolutionary advantage there would be to seeing vertical things as being bigger and longer than horizontal things. Maybe most of our survival was based on being able to see things that were on the horizon, such as predators or dwellings or mates, and things that were up higher didn't represent as much of a threat and so our perception of those things wasn't as accurate. From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Mon Sep 11 22:56:03 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Dan Laxman) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:56:03 +0000 Subject: [Psych3120] Perceptual inadequacy or potential advantage? Message-ID: Perceptual inadequacy or potential advantage? I was looking over our lecture from last Thursday, and I came to the slide entitled “Left to Right or Right to Left?” with several circles closely aligned. As you stare at it, the image shifts from that of a cylinder with the ring farthest to the right being closest or the ring farthest to the left being closest to you. It seemed to me that a lot of the illusions and constancies we discussed emphasized the failures of the perceptual system. (Of course, we look specifically at the failures to try and understand how it works). However, as I looked at this slide, I couldn’t see any disadvantage to seeing this image as coming from the left or from the right. On the contrary, I thought the flexibility of the perceptual system to see this image as either way could be an advantage. In fact, I think that the flexibility of the perceptual system in general is more an advantage than a disadvantage. For instance, think about how many different ways we can perceive depth—even with one eye! Each of these means of perceiving depth can overlap with others. This potentially could cause problems, but also provides the mind an opportunity to sort out fact from fiction. Perhaps the perceptual system’s inadequacies in certain situations as revealed by illusions, can actually be an advantage in other situations. -Dan Laxman From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Wed Sep 13 02:08:46 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Emily Slager) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:08:46 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Message for the Board #3 Message-ID: <759c1ffd0609121808w78823705t40cea9ce82b640b6@mail.gmail.com> ------=_Part_84269_331407.1158109726522 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Well, we're still talking about perception! I'll be glad to change the topic next week! Today, we talked about why wearing a white T-shirt is cooler than wearing a black T-shirt. This is because the source of white light (i.e. the sun) that reaches a white object, immediately reflects back. Thus, no light (or sunlight heat) gets absorbed into a white t-shirt. Black t-shirts simply absorb all the wite light (and the heat for that matter), making it hotter to wear black when the sun is out. The next thing I enjoyed learning about was the array of visual disabilities one could have. I physically can't even fathom what it would be like to not be able to see (blindness), let alone not be able to see motion, recognize objects or faces, or to provide meaning to objects. I wonder, then, if these individuals have a lower IQ? How do they survive in the world? How do they maintain a social life? How do they get a job? I do not know what accomodations they make, but I am sure they do everyday. Emily ------=_Part_84269_331407.1158109726522 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Well, we're still talking about perception!  I'll be glad to change the topic next week!  Today, we talked about why wearing a white T-shirt is cooler than wearing a black T-shirt.  This is because the source of white light (i.e. the sun) that reaches a white object, immediately reflects back.  Thus, no light (or sunlight heat) gets absorbed into a white t-shirt.  Black t-shirts simply absorb all the wite light (and the heat for that matter), making it hotter to wear black when the sun is out.  The next thing I enjoyed learning about was the array of visual disabilities one could have.  I physically can't even fathom what it would be like to not be able to see (blindness), let alone not be able to see motion, recognize objects or faces, or to provide meaning to objects.  I wonder, then, if these individuals have a lower IQ?  How do they survive in the world?  How do they maintain a social life?  How do they get a job?  I do not know what accomodations they make, but I am sure they do everyday.
       Emily
------=_Part_84269_331407.1158109726522-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Wed Sep 13 20:32:31 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (laura cervantes) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:32:31 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Color Vision Message-ID: There were a couple of tests that I found interesting in class. Obviously, I was amazed at how quickly most students were able to tell which number was in the circle. I was sitting in the back so it took a little longer for me, but I must confess that even so, there were some numbers that I was not able to tell what they were. I was amazed at how many things are impared by not having full color vision. Traffic lights are important but so is knowing that your meat is thorougly cooked. Given this information, there are so many accidents that color blind people are prone to having. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Spaces is here! It’s easy to create your own personal Web site. http://spaces.live.com/signup.aspx From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Wed Sep 13 20:32:47 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (laura cervantes) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:32:47 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Color Vision Message-ID: There were a couple of tests that I found interesting in class. Obviously, I was amazed at how quickly most students were able to tell which number was in the circle. I was sitting in the back so it took a little longer for me, but I must confess that even so, there were some numbers that I was not able to tell what they were. I was amazed at how many things are impared by not having full color vision. Traffic lights are important but so is knowing that your meat is thorougly cooked. Given this information, there are so many accidents that color blind people are prone to having. Laura C-Brunello _________________________________________________________________ Get real-time traffic reports with Windows Live Local Search http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=42.336065~-109.392273&style=r&lvl=4&scene=3712634&trfc=1 From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Wed Sep 13 20:44:54 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Natalie Mitchell) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:44:54 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] DISCUSSION Message-ID: Yesterday in class when we talked about vision a student asked about the vision of birds. Dr Strayer mentioned that some birds of prey actually have two fovea which enables them to scan the ground for prey while continuning to fly. The ways that animals have grown to adapt to their environment is truly astonishing. When studying human cognition and perception it is important to realize that our way of perceiving and relating to the world is not the standard or superior to that of other species. For example, after the tragic tsunami in Southeast Asia, among the dead bodies there were surprising little dead animals. Most had been able to perceive subtle environmental cues, such as pressure change, allowing them to evade death. Animals also saved the lives of many individuals. In one instance, a group of individuals followed a group of monkeys to higher ground knowing that they would know the most efficient and quickest way to higher ground. It is ironic that in a time of terrible catastrophe even our best technology was not superior to the abilities of animals. Humans cognitive abilities are very advanced, but are only one of the many perceptual systems out there. We may be able to do a variety of tasks but we will never be able to locate pollen just by looking at a flower. From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Wed Sep 13 22:00:19 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Ariann Beglarian) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:00:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] its all black and white with choppy motions and blurry faces Message-ID: <20060913210020.69059.qmail@web31615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well, our most recent lecture did a thorough job of explaining a phenomena I have experience ever summer since birth. When opening the car door of my dads black jeep, at any point on a hot day, you are destined to recieve a smack in the face. The heat wave eminated from the black vehicle is profound, especially when compared to that of my white vehicle. It makes a lot of sense now, considering black surfaces absorb all white light (or sunlight/HEAT)while white surfaces reflect that same light (HEAT). No wonder...I've always noticed it seems hotter on days when I wear black. Even my clothes get warm to the touch when I've been in the sun, yet white materials never seem to get hot. It all comes together now. Guess I'll be wearing a lot of black this winter to absorb as much heat as possible! One other thing thats on my mind about the last lecture...Akinetopsia, or the inability to percieve smooth motion...what in the world would that look like? Maybe, similar to a scratch in a DVD? How strange life would be...could you even leave the house? Does the movement take the same amount of time...like, are you seeing the movements as they are happening, only in a choppy sort of way...or is it like youre seeing blocks of the whole image in slower paced motion? It seems like you could easily get hit by a car if you can percieve exactly how close the car is coming to you. It's mind boggling, really. I can't even imagine. And Prosopagnosia...are the faces fuzzy or is it just that you cant recogize you have seen once you see it again? Is it like visionary-alzheimers or are features and faces just a blur of fleshy colors? Well, see you thursday __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Thu Sep 14 07:08:14 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Becca Vrabel) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:08:14 +0000 Subject: [Psych3120] Response to Emily... Message-ID: I think it's really interesting that you brought up the possible relation to eyesight and IQ...if there is one. Think about all of our schooling and how much we have been dependent on visual aids to learn our ABCs and then vocabulary and then math and world history. Since IQ is a cosntruct that is operationally defined, I cannot say for sure that eyesight has a direct relation to IQ or not. Think about all the people in history that have been blind or even visually impaired for that matter. Their ability to learn and process information is on a completely different level than the one that we are accustomed to. I would definitely be interested to know if there has been studies done on this relationship between variables. _________________________________________________________________ All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. Get a free 90-day trial! http://www.windowsonecare.com/trial.aspx?sc_cid=msn_hotmail From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Thu Sep 14 16:56:45 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (tucker voss) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:56:45 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: Hi my name is Tucker Voss and I want to let you know a little experiment I did. I was really intrigued with how the cones and rods work in your eye, especially with how you can only really see color when you are directly looking at something and how color in peripheral vision is only the brain remembering what it had directly seen. At first I was a little skeptical; so I conducted a little study with a friend. I had my friend look at three different colored sticky-notes on a clipboard, one yellow one red and one light green. I then had my friend look directly at an object while I stood to the side of him. I switched the yellow sticky-note with a white one and asked what the colors were without ever moving his eyes away from the object in front of him. He responded with the same three colors, and now I am no longer skeptical. _________________________________________________________________ Call friends with PC-to-PC calling -- FREE http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=wlmailtagline From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Thu Sep 14 20:07:13 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Kari Johnson) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:07:13 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Color Vison Message-ID: <10F0A00DF2B1C141ACE8EADC2FBC36410154309B@mail.sa.utah.edu> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6D830.FC582B18 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tuesday, I found the American Flag test with green, black, and yellow sooo interesting!!! I guess I have just never really had a class that discussed color vision. So this lecture really opened my eyes to quite a few things. For example, there are so many things that we rely on when it comes to color-the most obvious being TRAFFIC LIGHTS! What do color blind people do if the traffic light is switched to a horizontal light rather than a vertical light. Can they really just look around at all the other cars??? I think that this is a serious issue that engineers should pay attention to-especially because 1 in 10 people are color blind!!!=20 =20 Kari Johnson Executive Assistant Associated Students of the University of Utah 801-581-2788(o) 801-502-7357(c) 801-581-6882(f) =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6D830.FC582B18 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Tuesday, I found the American Flag test with = green, black, and yellow sooo interesting!!! I guess I have just never really = had a class that discussed color vision. So this lecture really opened my eyes = to quite a few things. For example, there are so many things that we rely = on when it comes to color—the most obvious being TRAFFIC LIGHTS! What do = color blind people do if the traffic light is switched to a horizontal light = rather than a vertical light. Can they really just look around at all the other = cars??? I think that this is a serious issue that engineers should pay attention = to—especially because 1 in 10 people are color blind!!!

 

Kari Johnson

Executive Assistant

Associated Students of the University of = Utah

801-581-2788(o)

801-502-7357(c)

801-581-6882(f)

 

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Today in class we were talking about how we like to pay attention to one thing at a time, but we also are influenced by the things that we are suppressing. Not only that but we can learn selective attentionThis was a great lecture for me because I have been noticing people exibiting selective attention the past couple of days. What I have seen is people watching television that don't pay attention to someone talking to them, and they can be almost yelling right at them. The most significant thing that I have found is that younger children and seniors seem to suppress everything but the television when they are watching it. My question is why if selective attention can be learned or adaptive are young children and seniors the people who exhibit it the most? Children havn't had much time to learn selective attention, and seniors should have all the experience in the world to hear their name when they are watching t.v. I know there is a lot more to it than this but I thought it was funny the class was about something I was observing. Thanks,

Kyle Murdock

From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Thu Sep 14 21:32:11 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Aubrey Wilkinson) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:32:11 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Anti-A.D.D. In-Reply-To: <200609141804.k8EI4HsG016361@topo.csbs.utah.edu> Message-ID:

So I was thinking. Today in class we discussed how people with A.D.H.D. have a deficiency in their ability to use selective attention. I actually deal with A.D.D. myself, so I found this especially interesting. I was wondering, however, when Dr. Strayer talked about how it would be dangerous for us to use selective attention to the point that we completely zoned out from everything around us other than what we were focusing on. On this end of the spectrum, are there people that actually do suffer from to much focus, to the point that it's detrimental to them? Is there such a thing as Anti-A.D.D.?

From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Thu Sep 14 21:33:40 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Aubrey Wilkinson) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:33:40 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Anti-A.D.D. In-Reply-To: <200609141804.k8EI4HsG016361@topo.csbs.utah.edu> Message-ID:

So I was thinking. Today in class we discussed how people with A.D.H.D. have a deficiency in their ability to use selective attention. I actually deal with A.D.D. myself, so I found this especially interesting. I was wondering, however, when Dr. Strayer talked about how it would be dangerous for us to use selective attention to the point that we completely zoned out from everything around us other than what we were focusing on. On this end of the spectrum, are there people that actually do suffer from to much focus, to the point that it's detrimental to them? Is there such a thing as Anti-A.D.D.?

From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Thu Sep 14 23:09:10 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (alan richmond) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:09:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Color and Shapes Message-ID: <20060914220910.80827.qmail@web50306.mail.yahoo.com> After Tuesdays and todays class concerning how we see and recognize colors and shapes I am amazed at the theories that have been proposed and how these theories explain how we see and interpret three colors Red,Blue, and Green and how we have three cones in our eyes that are stimulated by different lengths of electromagnetic light corresponding to these three colors to produce the vast amount of color that we see in the world around us. I am also amazed at how the pandemonium model helps to explain how we recognize and interpret shapes in the world around us. It is just amazing to me how these two things colors and shapes helps us to interpret the world around us and makes me wonder how people who have color blindness or who end up having a trauma to the part of the brain responsible for shape recognition manage to make their way around in this world. Alan Richmond __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Fri Sep 15 01:46:23 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Ariann Beglarian) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:46:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] and one more thing... Message-ID: <20060915004623.77071.qmail@web31602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> something cool happened yesterday that had a lot to do with what we've been learning, and it made more sense to me after hearing the lecture on colorblindness. My fiance and I have a turantula, and if he doesn't get about 8 hours of darkness, he will not go to sleep. however, he needs heat to keep the cage warm. The lady at the pet store suggested a blue or red light to have on in the cage during the night to keep it warm, and considering turantulas cannot see the colors blue and red, he will sleep soundly while the cage stays nice and warm. Pretty interesting huh? makes a lot of sense... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Fri Sep 15 06:44:25 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Paul Rudd) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:44:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Color vision, or lack of color vision. Message-ID: <20060915054425.10367.qmail@web34808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I found the discussion about color very interesting. Color vision is something that never gets much attention. It's something that is taken for granted. I can only imagine what life is like for the monochromatic sufferer's. I was a little alarmed when the professor showed us the slides of colored dots and a number was supposed to be visible, but I only saw two numbers out of the set! I was never aware that I was colored blind. It has never been a problem (except maybe when it comes to matching socks), and I always know what color someone is describing. I guess color is just to make life more interesting and not as much a necessity. Less color might actually make things less complicated. Advertisers would definitely have to reconsider some of their techniques. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Fri Sep 15 21:57:29 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Jake Andreason) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:57:29 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] filter theory Message-ID: One question that I came up with after thursdays lecture in class involved the filter theory. I know the theory explains that anything but gross physical features is ignored, but the question that I had is does it matter what ear the person listens from? I'm taking cognitive neuropsych as well as cognitive psych and one thing that was covered was dichotic presentation. Like vision this just says that what you hear from your left ear goes to the right hemisphere of your brain and the right goes to the left hemisphere. So do you pay closer attention to what you hear from your right ear because it would then be processed by the more language dominant left hemisphere of your brain or would this mainly just apply to individuals with split-brain syndrome? From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sat Sep 16 01:32:05 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Keith Radley) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:32:05 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Vision Nueropathology Message-ID: --_8062e2a3-6d53-4dd1-a01c-14514e0345f7_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As we were discussing neuropathological problems that a person can have in = regards to vision, I was reminded of a problem that people sometimes encoun= ter after suffering a stroke. Occasionally, people will suffer from Spatia= l Neglect. This is when a person ignores all visual information on one sid= e of their visual field. For example, when a patient is asked to draw a pi= cture of a box, they will only draw half of the box. This is the result of= damage to the right hemispherial frontal and parietal lobes. While Spatia= l Neglect does not only affect a persons vision, I think it is important to= mention it along with visual problems, as it creates a very interesting di= lemma for the patient. Often, the patient is unaware they are even neglect= ing half of everything they see! _________________________________________________________________ Use Messenger to talk to your IM friends, even those on Yahoo! http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=3D7adb59de-a857-45ba-81cc-= 685ee3e858fe= --_8062e2a3-6d53-4dd1-a01c-14514e0345f7_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= As we were discussing neuropathological problems that a person can ha= ve in regards to vision, I was reminded of a problem that people sometimes = encounter after suffering a stroke.  Occasionally, people will suffer = from Spatial Neglect.  This is when a person ignores all visual inform= ation on one side of their visual field.  For example, when a patient = is asked to draw a picture of a box, they will only draw half of the box.&n= bsp; This is the result of damage to the right hemispherial frontal and par= ietal lobes.  While Spatial Neglect does not only affect a persons vis= ion, I think it is important to mention it along with visual problems, as i= t creates a very interesting dilemma for the patient.  Often, the pati= ent is unaware they are even neglecting half of everything they see!
<= hr />Use Messenger to talk to your IM friends, even those on Yahoo! Talk now!=0A= = --_8062e2a3-6d53-4dd1-a01c-14514e0345f7_-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sat Sep 16 05:36:15 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Alisha Christiasnen) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:36:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Message #3 In-Reply-To: <200609141804.k8EI4HsG016361@topo.csbs.utah.edu> Message-ID: <20060916043615.55326.qmail@web56615.mail.re3.yahoo.com> --0-1277324944-1158381375=:52862 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I like the lecture on Tuesday about color vision and how different animals have different abilities with color vision depending on what they are needing to use their vision for. I didn't know there were different types of color blindness so interesting to learn how with some you can't copy objects while with others you can copy the object but you don't recognize what it is. Then with others they can't recognize color or faces. Then you have the people who see all movement broken up instead of smooth. Like the one person said in their message it's hard to imagine what that would be like and how with some of them you would be able to function and be able to make it through the day. I also liked Tucker's message about the sticky notes and how he was able to put to the test what we learned in the lecture. Also on Thur learning about the various theories that people have come up with overtime to try to explain how we recongize words or shapes. It's weird to think that although some of those ideas sounded a little crazy to us to them at the time it seemed normal. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. --0-1277324944-1158381375=:52862 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I like the lecture on Tuesday about color vision and how different animals have different abilities with color vision depending on what they are needing to use their vision for. I didn't know there were different types of color blindness so interesting to learn how with some you can't copy objects while with others you can copy the object but you don't recognize what it is. Then with others they can't recognize color or faces. Then you have the people who see all movement broken up instead of smooth. Like the one person said in their message it's hard to imagine what that would be like and how with some of them you would be able to function and be able to make it through the day. I also liked Tucker's message about the sticky notes and how he was able to put to the test what we learned in the lecture. Also on Thur learning about the various theories that people have come up with overtime to try to explain how we recongize words or shapes. It's weird to think that although some of those ideas sounded a little crazy to us to them at the time it seemed normal.

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Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. --0-1277324944-1158381375=:52862-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sat Sep 16 19:17:28 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Chad C Moffitt) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 12:17:28 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] prosopagnosia Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6D9BC.5E819B7B Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all. This weeks lecture on object and pattern recognition reminded = me of an episode of the Twilight Zone I once saw. It was about a man = who woke up one morning in a word of strangers; everyone he knew -- = family members, friends, co-workers, etc., were all different people = than those he recognized an knew prior to that day. He looked at old = family photographs and, while he was always the same person in them, his = parents and siblings were not the same people as he remembered them. = This seems similar to the problem of prosopagnosia: difficulty with = recognizing human faces. Some people with this disorder seem to be able = to recognize the components of a face -- cheeks, nose, eyes, etc., but = cannot organize these components into a coherent whole identifiable as a = someone's face. Others, much like the man in the twilight zone episode, = seem to be able to recognize faces as faces but not recognize whose face = it is. Why might this be the case? Is there a separate process = involved in face recognition that allows us to identify the person's = face once we indeed recognize the pattern as a face? I would guess yes, = and it may be linked with the emotion centers of our brain. Recognizing = the face of a loved one from a photograph (or even in person) might be = slightly different than recognizing the photograph of a stranger we just = met 30 minutes ago. We can readily recognize and identify the stranger = as being the same person we met earlier, and yet remain relatively = indifferent or unemotional about him or her. On the other hand, = recognizing a loved one seems to evoke or be linked with certain = emotions. These emotions may enhance our ability to identify one face = apart from another, which has definite survival value. Me being able to = selectively identify my mom from a group of strangers certainly has had = survival value for me. Evidence for the role of emotions in face (and = perhaps event inanimate objects) recognition may come from cases of = those with prosopagnosia who can recognize a face as being a face, but = not know who the face is. It would be interesting to see whether = individuals with damage to certain emotional centers of their brain show = this type of prosopagosia when seeing faces of loved ones. =20 Chad Moffitt =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6D9BC.5E819B7B Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A=
Hi all.  This = weeks lecture on object and pattern recognition reminded me of an = episode of the Twilight Zone I once saw.  It was about a man who = woke up one morning in a word of strangers; everyone he knew -- family = members, friends, co-workers, etc., were all different people than those = he recognized an knew prior to that day.  He looked at old family = photographs and, while he was always the same person in them, his = parents and siblings were not the same people as he remembered = them.  This seems similar to the problem of = prosopagnosia: difficulty with recognizing human = faces.  Some people with this disorder seem to be able to = recognize the components of a face -- cheeks, nose, eyes, etc., but = cannot organize these components into a coherent whole identifiable as = a someone's face.  Others, much like the man in the = twilight zone episode, seem to be able to recognize faces as faces = but not recognize whose face it is.  Why might this be the = case?  Is there a separate process involved in face = recognition that allows us to identify the person's face once = we indeed recognize the pattern as a face?  I would guess yes, and = it may be linked with the emotion centers of our brain.  = Recognizing the face of a loved one from a photograph (or even in = person) might be slightly different than recognizing = the photograph of a stranger we just met 30 minutes ago.  = We can readily recognize and identify the stranger as being the = same person we met earlier, and yet remain relatively indifferent or = unemotional about him or her.  On the other hand, recognizing = a loved one seems to evoke or be linked with certain = emotions.  These emotions may enhance our ability = to identify one face apart from another, which has definite = survival value.  Me being able to selectively identify my = mom from a group of strangers certainly has had survival value = for me.  Evidence for the role of emotions in face (and = perhaps event inanimate objects) recognition may come from cases of = those with prosopagnosia who can recognize a face as being a face, but = not know who the face is.  It would be interesting to see = whether individuals with damage to certain emotional centers of their = brain show this type of prosopagosia when seeing faces of loved = ones.
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C6D9BC.5E819B7B-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sun Sep 17 04:32:11 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Ryan Boldrin) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:32:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] ADHD response Message-ID: <20060917033211.26797.qmail@web53602.mail.yahoo.com> I have seen this tunnel vision effect in children watching TV. I have experienced it myself when I am riveted to an interesting show. It is as if I am having an inner dialogue of reactions to the shows content and it takes more effort to get my attention when I am engaged this way. TV has a refresh rate on the screen that matches some brain wave activity I have seen EEG and fMRI scans from another class that show the mind slowing down into an almost hypnotic state. Constantly receiving but not fully engaging. (That explains all the take-out delivery! Hello Dominoes?) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sun Sep 17 07:25:13 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 01:25:13 -0500 Subject: [Psych3120] color blindness Message-ID: <20060917012513.knxsme3yo8gg0ko8@wm.integrity.com> This is Romney Stevens. I also thought that Tuesday's lecture was very interesting. It was interesting to see that I actually am colorblind because I could only see about half of the numbers in the colored bubble pictures (an optomotrist had told me I was before but I had trouble believing it). The question I have is how someone could be color blind and still be able to see blue (short wavelengths), green (medium wavelengths) and red (long wavelengths). I thought that if you were color blind you had to be missing the cones that pick up one of those specific wavelengths and would therefore be unable to see colors in that range of wavelength. I am colorblind and yet I can see all of the colors in the rainbow. My guess is that I can't distinguish between different shades and similar colors as well as most people can. I guess I was just thinking that if I was missing a type of cone, it seems like it would make a bigger difference than that. From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sun Sep 17 20:53:47 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Tom Stephenson) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 12:53:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] color blindness Message-ID: <20060917195347.5306.qmail@web51508.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1559400501-1158522827=:4386 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I used to think my vison was fine until Tuesday morning. For the life of me I could not see the nuber in at least three of those colored slides. It makes me wonder how many cones I'm missing. --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com --0-1559400501-1158522827=:4386 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I used to think my vison was fine until Tuesday morning.  For the life of me I could not see the nuber in at least three of those colored slides.  It makes me wonder how many cones I'm missing.

Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com --0-1559400501-1158522827=:4386-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sun Sep 17 21:11:50 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Katie) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 14:11:50 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Gender differences in filters? Message-ID: <4E9A09E16264024C80C968D5CFCCB7AB017F8D@xeoni.digitalbreakdown.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6DA95.82A93F70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Last weekend I went to a 2 day seminar on gender differences in brain = patterns and processing of information (an ultimately how to use this = information to understand and facilitate better therapy sessions) and we = learned a little bit about the differences in the listening and = processing of information that relates to the filters we talked about in = class.=20 the instructor told us about this experiment that was done where men and = women were given headphones and told to listen and report what they = heard in them. They received the same words in the same channels of the = headphones to the same ears. In one ear they played the word "blue", and = at the same time in the other, they played the word "blah". Women = reported hearing both and said "blueblah" as what they heard. Men = reported only hearing "blue". This along with some other experiements = showed that there are some gender differences in the way that brains = receive and process information.=20 Katie Johnson ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6DA95.82A93F70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gender differences in filters?

Last weekend I went to a 2 day seminar on gender = differences in brain patterns and processing of information (an = ultimately how to use this information to understand and facilitate = better therapy sessions) and we learned a little bit about the = differences in the listening and processing of information that relates = to the filters we talked about in class.
the instructor told us about this experiment that was done where men and = women were given headphones and told to listen and report what they = heard in them. They received the same words in the same channels of the = headphones to the same ears. In one ear they played the word = "blue", and at the same time in the other, they played the = word "blah". Women reported hearing both and said = "blueblah" as what they heard. Men reported only hearing = "blue". This along with some other experiements showed that = there are some gender differences in the way that brains receive and = process information.

Katie Johnson

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i missed class on tuesday because i had to go to court, but i was in class on thursday and i found it to be so interesting. the lecture captivated me to the point where i wanted to go home and read all of my textbook.  i have never taken any sort of cognitive course while i have been here at the university, most of my classes have been pertaining to child development.  is anyone starting to stress for the test? i know i am.  i just dont know if i am prepairing in the way that i need to.  i guess if i read the text and review the lecture notes i should be ok. 




JAKE
From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sun Sep 17 23:04:46 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (JESSE SITTERUD) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 16:04:46 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Vision Message-ID: I found learning about our vision and how we see in darkness to be very intresting. One thing for example, we learned that while in a dark room you can see objects better by looking just the side of them. I have always noticed this but I never really knew why this was. Once I heard how our vision works it all made sense. After we covered this in class I told a few friends about it and they didn't believe that looking to the side of an object made it more visiable in darkness. They had to go see it to believe it, but sure enough they found that it was true. I just thought the entire section of vision very interesting. _________________________________________________________________ Search from any web page with powerful protection. Get the FREE Windows Live Toolbar Today! http://get.live.com/toolbar/overview From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Mon Sep 18 00:03:50 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Jennie Ruff) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 17:03:50 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] GEONS! Message-ID: During class today, while speaking about Pattern Recognition by Components, someone asked if this is why we see objects "in" clouds. I love when someone asks a question like this and I'm actually paying attention, because something really clicked for me. I have always had a hard time seeing clouds form shapes, or at least the same shapes that everyone else seems to see. I've also always had a hard time having the clouds hold their shapes for me.. one moment one will be a dragon and the next a man eating cow. I was wondering, and maybe my attention shorted out during class and I missed this, are there conditions/abnormalities that make it hard for people to "use" Geons? Could there be something not quite right that would make it so that the simple shapes don't form images for some? I'm sure there probably is, but what is it? Any answers? Otherwise I'll have to look it up on my own and I'm lazy. ...Jen From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Mon Sep 18 00:35:26 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Lexi Breeze) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 17:35:26 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: Hey! We got into some really interesting stuff this last week, talking about vision deficiencies. It's so hard to imagine what it would be like to not be able to see colors, fluid movement, etc. Vision is such a natural easy thing to do and most people probably take it for granted. I couldn't imagine how difficult every day activities would be if you couldn't see fluid movement or aren't able to identify objects. How would you know what you're eating or doing? You would have to have total dependence on others to help take care of you and it really blows my mind that people have to deal with such issues, and get through it. It's just all so crazy to think about. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Spaces is here! It’s easy to create your own personal Web site. http://spaces.live.com/signup.aspx From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Mon Sep 18 01:34:46 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (William Gordon) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 18:34:46 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Demonic Hues In-Reply-To: <200609081805.k88I4nj0020317@topo.csbs.utah.edu> Message-ID: I thought the pandemonium model was a clever way of describing how neurons fire, especially because it was ahead of its time. I was thinking that perhaps eye sight could work in the same way. Certain demons are tuned to certain hues, and when their hue is focused on, they start screamin'. Then the cognitive demons compare all the hues that the other feature demons see, and the cognitive demons put it all into a picture for us. Then they scream to let us know what it is. Sure. Sounds good. >From: psych3120-request@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Psych3120 digest, Vol 1 #895 - 4 msgs >Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 12:04:49 -0600 (MDT) > >Send Psych3120 mailing list submissions to > psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > psych3120-request@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >You can reach the person managing the list at > psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Psych3120 digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Illusions... (Kyle Murdock) > 2. Relative Psychohorror (William Gordon) > 3. Seeing is Believing??? (alan richmond) > 4. Learned or innate? (Katie) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 >From: "Kyle Murdock" >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 15:10:35 -0600 >Subject: [Psych3120] Illusions... >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >
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Today in class we saw the demonstration where the window was >spinning around and after starring at it we thought that it wasn't spinning >anymore, it was just moving back and forth. The professor then stuck a >stick in the middle and when the window spun it just went back and forth, >but the stick was still spinning as if it was magically going right through >the window. Although we recieved a good explanation for this I still was >wondering how this could happen. Since we learn rules of constancies, >wouldn't our brain know that the stick couldn't possible spin right through >something else? I know that we are already being tricked but we should know >that this isn't possible and compensate for it somehow.

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I don't know what would make this happen, but maybe it is because our >brain recognizes that we are being tricked and totally discounts it >allowing us to see what is really happening with the stick. I know that is >far out there, but anybody elses' insight would help. Thanks,

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Kyle Murdock

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> > >--__--__-- > >Message: 2 >From: "William Gordon" >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 15:31:57 -0600 >Subject: [Psych3120] Relative Psychohorror >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >I just put that in the subject line so you would read the post. I was >really just thinking that it's almost scary to think that everyone of us >(us >being the general population with eyes in working order) probably sees >things slightly differently. It goes back to what someone brought up about >whether the shade we see is actually what everyone else sees or just what >we >were told is "red." We might find similarities in the things we view, but >chances are we all see it slightly differently, to some degree. This kind >of ties into the idea of relativity. We all see things slightly >differently, so what gives any one person the right to say what's right or >wrong? And if a few, a group, millions of people see things one way, what >makes their view right? The fact is, those memories of ours serve to help >us process billions of bits of information at once, and who's to say that >I, >you, or anyone is wrong in how they see something? Or right for that same >matter? ??? > >William > >P.S.--Thanks Kari J., for shedding some light on the eye color question. > > >From: psych3120-request@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >Subject: Psych3120 digest, Vol 1 #894 - 2 msgs > >Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 12:02:33 -0600 (MDT) > > > >Send Psych3120 mailing list submissions to > > psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > psych3120-request@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > >You can reach the person managing the list at > > psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >than "Re: Contents of Psych3120 digest..." > > > > > >Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Message for the Board 2 (Emily Slager) > > 2. Depth Perception (Jake Andreason) > > > >-- __--__-- > > > >Message: 1 > >Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 20:16:05 -0600 > >From: "Emily Slager" > >To: "Cognitive Psychology" > >Subject: [Psych3120] Message for the Board 2 > >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > >------=_Part_1397_525784.1157595365820 > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Content-Disposition: inline > > > >Hello all! > > > >I wrote this paragraph for the Messege Board last week, but I couldn't > >figure out how to submit things. So I just saved it, and copied it here. > >So > >sorry if the thought is a bit "last week" :) > > > > A lecture on sensory and perception guided me to think about a recent > >experience I had after lecture that day. I walked into the bathroom and > >set > >my cell phone down on the sink. When I came out of the stall moments > >later, > >the cell phone was not on the sink. It was something that I could have > >perceived a number of ways. If I was in an inner city highschool in > >Detroit, > >I may perceive that it had been stolen. If I was in junior high and very > >hated by a set of girls, I may think they took it away to be mean. It > >could > >have gotten stolen by a monkey, fell down the sink hole, taken away by a > >god, etc. > > But the fact that I do not think I have any enemies, I believe that > >people don't (usually) steal cell phones, monkeys are well kept out of > >buildings (and out of America), gods of stealing don't exist, etc, my >first > >perception of my missing cell phone sensory was that it had fallen. >Indeed > >it had! (Landed in my backpack, which is why it didn't make any noise). > > How we perceive things has a lot to do with our "point-of-view" of >the > >world! > > > > Emily > > > >------=_Part_1397_525784.1157595365820 > >Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Content-Disposition: inline > > > > > > > >

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I wrote this paragraph for the Messege Board last > >week, but I couldn't figure out how to submit things. So I just saved > >it, and copied it here.  So sorry if the thought is a bit "last > >week" :)
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   A lecture on sensory and perception > >guided me to think about a > >recent experience I had after lecture that day.  I walked into the > >bathroom and set my cell phone down on the sink.  When I came out of > >the > >stall moments later, the cell phone was not on the sink.  It was > >something > >that I could have perceived a number of ways.  If I was in an inner > >city > >highschool in Detroit, > >I may perceive that it had been stolen.  If I was in junior high and > >very > >hated by a set of girls, I may think they took it away to be mean.  >It > >could have gotten stolen by a monkey, fell down the sink hole, taken away > >by a > >god, etc. 
> >   But the fact that I do not think I have any enemies, I >believe > >that people don't (usually) steal cell phones, monkeys are well kept out >of > >buildings > >(and out of America), gods of stealing don't exist, etc, my first > >perception of > >my missing cell phone sensory was that it had fallen.  Indeed it >had! > >(Landed in my backpack, which is why it didn't make any noise).
> >   How we perceive things has a lot to do with our > >"point-of-view" of the world!
> > 
> > Emily

> > > > > >------=_Part_1397_525784.1157595365820-- > > > >-- __--__-- > > > >Message: 2 > >From: "Jake Andreason" > >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 11:10:20 -0600 > >Subject: [Psych3120] Depth Perception > >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > > >I thought tuesdays lecture was pretty intersting. I've been drawing since >I > >was a kid, and while I'm not a professional, I thought it was interesting > >to > >learn about the techniques to show depth. I have been taught over and >over > >again to use techniques like shading, size, and vanishing points to try >to > >get the most realistic picture possible, but I guess now it just kind of > >comes naturally so seeing examples of it in lecture kind of reminded me >of > >what I was doing. I think it's amazing that using our visual perception > >pictures can be manipulated to see whatever the artist wants us to see. >The > >stereograms were kind of confusing though. That's probably just because > >I've > >always been horrible at figuring out those things. > > > > > > > > > >-- __--__-- > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Psych3120 mailing list > >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > > > > >End of Psych3120 Digest > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get the new Windows Live Messenger! >http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=wlmailtagline > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 >Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 19:04:33 -0700 (PDT) >From: alan richmond >To: psych class >Subject: [Psych3120] Seeing is Believing??? >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >Todays class about illusions and constancies was fun >and interesting to me. It was fun for me to sit >through the illusions that were presented in class and >to be seeing one thing and then a moment later have >that one thing be shown as something else. It makes >you wonder how much of the information the we are >processing is really "accurate" and if seeing really >is believing. > > Alan Richmond > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > >--__--__-- > >Message: 4 >Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 09:33:50 -0600 >From: "Katie" >To: >Subject: [Psych3120] Learned or innate? >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >------_=_NextPart_001_01C6D35C.2F09A110 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >The thought question at the close of Thursday's lecture, "are = >constancies inborn or are they learned through experiences?" made me = >think a bit on the way home. When the questions was first posed in class = >I immediately thought that this had to be innate. I dont remember ever = >being "taught" about visual constancies or anything, it must just be one = >of those automatic things that we just know. But I shouldn't really have = >been surprised, because I suppose it's just like many other things in = >psychology that we ask- nature or nurture?=20 >Like development of language, and behaviors, etc., there are certain = >pieces than we are born with and others that we aquire along the way, = >whether we are concious of it or not. This is just another thing that we = >are given the tools for- the eyes, the brain and the many different = >componants, and along with our experiences and learned contexts, we can = >now percieve and make judgements without even thinking about it. =20 >Katie Johnson > >------_=_NextPart_001_01C6D35C.2F09A110 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >=0A= >charset=3Dunicode">=0A= >=0A= >=0A= >
The thought question at = >the close of Thursday's lecture, "are constancies inborn or are they = >learned through experiences?" made me think a bit on the way home. When = >the questions was first posed in class I immediately thought that this = >had to be innate. I dont remember ever being "taught" about visual = >constancies or anything, it must just be one of those automatic things = >that we just know. But I shouldn't really have been surprised, because I = >suppose it's just like many other things in psychology that we = >ask- nature or nurture?
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Like development of = >language, and behaviors, etc., there are certain pieces than we are born = >with and others that we aquire along the way, whether we are concious of = >it or not. This is just another thing that we are given the tools = >for- the eyes, the brain and the many different componants, and along = >with our experiences and learned contexts, we can now percieve and = >make judgements without even thinking about it. face=3DArial size=3D2> 
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>------_=_NextPart_001_01C6D35C.2F09A110-- > > >--__--__-- > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > >End of Psych3120 Digest _________________________________________________________________ Check the weather nationwide with MSN Search: Try it now! http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=weather&FORM=WLMTAG From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Mon Sep 18 01:58:18 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (jolene stehlin) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 18:58:18 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: In class on Thursday when we were discussing sensory overload, I was reminded of an experience I had while visiting the beautiful city of Wendover ;) It was my first time in the Montego Bay Casino, and when I walked in I immediately got a headache. I felt disoriented and uncomfortable. Everything was lined with neon tape and lights. There was neon "art" hanging from the ceiling, the carpet looked like confetti and the walls and ceiling were mirrors. All of my senses were completely overwhelmed and I was unable to understand where things were (even the walls). It was helpful to learn in lecture that my experience had a name and that what I was unable to do was selectively process task (playing penny slots) relevant information and ignore the irrelevant information. I have included a URL below so you can view some pictures and see what I'm talking about. (I hope it works). http://propertyofville.buzznet.com/user/photos/recent/?id=3389059 _________________________________________________________________ Check the weather nationwide with MSN Search: Try it now! http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=weather&FORM=WLMTAG From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Mon Sep 18 04:37:55 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Kasey lundgren) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 20:37:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] modes posting 2 Message-ID: <20060918033755.4137.qmail@web33009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --0-871699462-1158550675=:2774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I found a couple things pretty darn amazing this week. It's very interesting to me to learn that if you are color bind that doesn't necessary mean to are blind to all color. I know my sociology teacher would always comment and make jokes about how color blind he was and that is why he never matched but really he was just sticking within the realm of color he could actually distinguish which was pretty much blue white and brown, it' pretty funny when you think about it. I also found it very unteresting to learn about akintopsia......how would it be to never see anything in motion to only see cut frames of an image in motion. How would you do the simplest task such as getting a glass of water or tying your shoes? you could never play sports or drive a car. I wonder if you could even see if you were going to get hit by an object early enough to get out of the way......hmmm. selective attention and triesmans filter theory is also very interesting. I now notice how when i am concentrating hard on one thing my attention can be immediatly taken away when someone says my name because i am not completly shutting out what is going on around me. I wonder if it is the same when you sleep, because the only thing i will wake up to is either my cell phone or my name. could you be filtering out information when you sleep but when an attenuated message is important it is processed and grabs your attention enough to wake you up...i wonder? kasey --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. --0-871699462-1158550675=:2774 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I found a couple things pretty darn amazing this week. It's very interesting to me
to learn that if you are color bind that doesn't necessary mean to are blind
to all color. I know my sociology teacher  would always comment and
make jokes about how color blind he was and that is why he never matched but
really he was just sticking within the realm of color he could actually distinguish
which was pretty much blue white and brown, it' pretty funny when you think about it.
I also found it very unteresting to learn about akintopsia......how would it be
to never see anything in motion to only see cut frames of an image in motion. How
would you do the simplest task such as getting a glass of water or tying your
shoes? you could never play sports or drive a car. I wonder if you could even see if
you were going to get hit by an object early enough to get out of the way......hmmm.
selective attention  and triesmans filter theory is also very interesting. I now notice how when i am concentrating hard on one thing my attention can be immediatly taken away when someone says my name because i am not completly shutting out
what is going on around me. I wonder if it is the same when you sleep, because the only thing i will wake up to is either my cell phone or my name. could you
be filtering out information when you sleep but when  an attenuated message
is important it is processed and grabs your attention enough to wake you up...i
wonder?
kasey

Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. --0-871699462-1158550675=:2774-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Mon Sep 18 04:37:55 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Becca Vrabel) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 03:37:55 +0000 Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: This is in response to Lexi's last post about what it would be like to lack the ability to see movement. Crazy!! I am curious how common this handicap is. How do these people function on a daily basis? How do they learn? Write? Move around their home? My guess is that these people would heavily rely on sound to learn and interact with their environment. What is it like to walk down the street? It is so hard to comprehend how these people interact with the world and other people on a daily basis.... _________________________________________________________________ All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. Get a free 90-day trial! http://www.windowsonecare.com/trial.aspx?sc_cid=msn_hotmail From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Mon Sep 18 05:47:44 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Jessica Otteson) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:47:44 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID:
I was reading the chapter about memory and started to think about something.  I used to crochet scarves a long time ago.  Recently a friend of mine asked if I would make one for her or teach her how to do it herself.  I initially told her no because it has been about 10 years since I have crocheted and didn't think I would remember how to do it.  Then I was curious, so I went to the store and bought some yarn and crochet needles.  I just wanted to know if I would remember how to crochet, and to my surprise, I did.  I remembered it with no problems at all. I guess that knowing how to crochet was just being stored in my memory until I needed it again.  I'm sure everyone has heard the saying, "it's like riding a bike."  You don't have to ride a bike everyday to remeber how to do it.  Even though I haven't ridden a bike since I was a kid, I still remember how.  It's funny how you don't remember something until you are reminded of it, and it all just comes back to you.  It makes me wonder what is being stored in my memory that hasn't been brought to the surface yet.
From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Mon Sep 18 06:09:51 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (ryan green) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:09:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] contribution 3 Message-ID: <20060918050951.57264.qmail@web34310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --0-128410740-1158556191=:57133 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reality Check I am writing this in response to some of the messages posted about the ¡§relativity¡¨ of our visual perceptions. Many people are amazed at how people can potentially perceive things differently due to different interpretations or manipulations of visual cues, perspective, positioning, and various mental processes. I am also very interested by this phenomenon. However, it seemed to me that many of us were implicitly taking this phenomenon to its logical end without analyzing the implications of that end. Simply stated, this phenomenon, when taken to its logical end, means that everything we know about life, truth, communication etc. is merely a subjective, relative knowledge and therefore reality itself is 100% relative. In other words, if everyone perceives things totally differently then, based on these different perceptions, truth itself is 100% subjective and relative and it appears that there is no objective truth on which we can base our communications and lives. This logical end is true as far as you can take it. However, the logical end can be misleading simply because it is not complete in its assessment of reality. It is true that we have different perceptions, different ways of understanding, and different ways of communicating these perceptions and understandings. But, it does not mean that 100% of reality is to be understood only in terms of subjective relativity. If reality was to be understood in this way, we would find ourselves blundering around in an abstract world that was totally devoid of any possibility for communication. We need to be careful not to make the mistake of extrapolating this phenomenon¡¦s power too far and giving it abilities beyond what it actually possesses. In fact, upon closer scrutiny, it appears that this subjective, relative reality is not even a dominant part of our perception of and interaction with reality. It doesn¡¦t seem to affect our daily lives as much as we inadvertently give it credit for. It is obvious that we are still able to function in our daily lives, work, school, society etc¡K For example, if you are reading this right now and have understood the words that I have used to create the sentences which form the paragraphs which will form this post, then you see that at some fundamental level there is an objective truth that allows us to communicate. In this example, it¡¦s the English language with all its rules and definitions that allows us to have an understanding of reality beyond subjective relativity. And we can see that just because I may see a flower as a slightly (or even totally) different shade of yellow, that we can still communicate and understand that it¡¦s still a flower and it still has a color even if we perceive the color differently (even if we perceive the flower in a monochromatic way). We can still smell the flower (assuming our olfactory system is functioning). We can still talk about how lovely it is (assuming we like flowers). We can still comment on how our girlfriends, wives and mothers love yellow roses (assuming we have these women in our lives). We are still functioning in a close enough knit objective reality. And in this closely knit objective reality we actually find a cohesive nature to our perceptions and not a separation through perceived differences. We are generally rational people and when there is a difference of opinion or difference of perception, we can still either learn that what we have perceived was wrong, or we can always fall back on the old ¡§agree to disagree¡¨ adage. Thanks, Ryan Green --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. --0-128410740-1158556191=:57133 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Reality Check
 
            I am writing this in response to some of the messages posted about the ¡§relativity¡¨ of our visual perceptions. Many people are amazed at how people can potentially perceive things differently due to different interpretations or manipulations of visual cues, perspective, positioning, and various mental processes. I am also very interested by this phenomenon. However, it seemed to me that many of us were implicitly taking this phenomenon to its logical end without analyzing the implications of that end.
 
Simply stated, this phenomenon, when taken to its logical end, means that everything we know about life, truth, communication etc. is merely a subjective, relative knowledge and therefore reality itself is 100% relative. In other words, if everyone perceives things totally differently then, based on these different perceptions, truth itself is 100% subjective and relative and it appears that there is no objective truth on which we can base our communications and lives.  
 
This logical end is true as far as you can take it. However, the logical end can be misleading simply because it is not complete in its assessment of reality. It is true that we have different perceptions, different ways of understanding, and different ways of communicating these perceptions and understandings. But, it does not mean that 100% of reality is to be understood only in terms of subjective relativity. If reality was to be understood in this way, we would find ourselves blundering around in an abstract world that was totally devoid of any possibility for communication. We need to be careful not to make the mistake of extrapolating this phenomenon¡¦s power too far and giving it abilities beyond what it actually possesses. In fact, upon closer scrutiny, it appears that this subjective, relative reality is not even a dominant part of our perception of and interaction with reality. It doesn¡¦t seem to affect our daily lives as much as we inadvertently give it credit for. It is obvious that we are still able to function in our daily lives, work, school, society etc¡K
 
 For example, if you are reading this right now and have understood the words that I have used to create the sentences which form the paragraphs which will form this post, then you see that at some fundamental level there is an objective truth that allows us to communicate. In this example, it¡¦s the English language with all its rules and definitions that allows us to have an understanding of reality beyond subjective relativity.
 
 And we can see that just because I may see a flower as a slightly (or even totally) different shade of yellow, that we can still communicate and understand that it¡¦s still a flower and it still has a color even if we perceive the color differently (even if we perceive the flower in a monochromatic way). We can still smell the flower (assuming our olfactory system is functioning). We can still talk about how lovely it is (assuming we like flowers). We can still comment on how our girlfriends, wives and mothers love yellow roses (assuming we have these women in our lives). We are still functioning in a close enough knit objective reality. And in this closely knit objective reality we actually find a cohesive nature to our perceptions and not a separation through perceived differences.
 
We are generally rational people and when there is a difference of opinion or difference of perception, we can still either learn that what we have perceived was wrong, or we can always fall back on the old ¡§agree to disagree¡¨ adage. 
 
Thanks,
Ryan Green
   
                  

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Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. --0-128410740-1158556191=:57133-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Mon Sep 18 06:22:27 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:22:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] vision disorders Message-ID: <20060918052227.29715.qmail@web56515.mail.re3.yahoo.com> --0-1820074572-1158556947=:29382 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit After the discussion we had about vision and some of the different disorders people have I started to realize how much I take for granted. I don't have to wear glasses, I'm not color blind. I can't imagine how much it would take to adapt to something like akinetopsia. For those who don't remember that was the disorder where persons vision appears as if they were watching everything through a strobe light. You couldn't drive, or do many daily activities on your own. It made me think. --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. --0-1820074572-1158556947=:29382 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
After the discussion we had about vision and some of the different disorders people have I started to realize how much I take for granted.  I don't have to wear glasses, I'm not color blind.  I can't imagine how much it would take to adapt to something like akinetopsia.  For those who don't remember that was the disorder where persons vision appears as if they were watching everything through a strobe light.  You couldn't drive, or do many daily activities on your own.  It made me think.
 

Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. --0-1820074572-1158556947=:29382-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Mon Sep 18 18:57:50 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Sabreena Khan) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:57:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] interactive activation model. Message-ID: <20060918175750.72545.qmail@web55410.mail.re4.yahoo.com> when considering the interactive activation model in understanding attention, i was wondering if the route of the processes are the same in those cultures that are not literate (that is, they do not have a written language-base)?? if i am not making myself clear, let me try again: in the interactive activation model, we learned that it is much easier to pick out an R in the word WORK rather than pick it out in KWOR. so, if a culture doesn't even have a written language base, do they process things in the same manner?? i hope that makes sense.. sabreena khan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Mon Sep 18 19:09:16 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Jennifer Adams) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:09:16 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] additional readings Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C6DB1B.436A55C0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0007_01C6DB1B.436F10B0" ------=_NextPart_001_0007_01C6DB1B.436F10B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 I just wanted to say I am beginning to feel like I=92m starting to = understand bits and pieces of this class. One thing I have found helpful is to read = the additional readings posted when trying to answer those test questions. = The one on perception is especially helpful in trying to answer the = question. Just a thought. =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0007_01C6DB1B.436F10B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I just wanted to say I am beginning = to feel like I’m starting to understand bits and pieces of this class. One = thing I have found helpful is to read the additional readings posted when = trying to answer those test questions. The one on perception is especially helpful = in trying to answer the question.  Just a = thought.

 

  

 

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Beyond the sensory overload, The layout of the floor plan seems to make it hard to find the exit, You can wander around and after a while there is no sense of direction (i.e. north) and the constant noise and thousands of flashing lights seem to suppress rational thought. If you are an extrovert who needs a lot of stimulation to feel OK, then this is a design suggestion for your livingroom. For us quieter introverts, this environment is fatiguing as anything. I have not been back for many years. Once is enough for the whole gamut of the experience. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Mon Sep 18 23:55:01 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Dan Laxman) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 22:55:01 +0000 Subject: [Psych3120] Triesmans Filter-Attenuation Theory Message-ID: Triesman’s Filter-Attenuation Theory I was thinking the other day about a personal application of Triesman’s theory. When I study, I like to listen to music, but I can only listen to certain kinds. If the music has words, it is too distracting for me to be able to read or write. However, I study better listening to music without words (such as music from a movie soundtrack) than I do without any music at all. One reason for this is that the soundtrack music tends to drown out the other sounds, including other people talking. So, connecting all this back to Triesman’s theory: we receive various inputs and each input is processed, but to differing degrees as illustrated in the model by the varying thickness of the lines. The soundtrack music could almost be called “white noise” for my perceptual system and would be represented as a very small line (though there are times when I have to change the track because the music has become distracting). Human speech, even when I’m not paying direct attention to it, interferes with my studies. It would be represented by a much larger line in the model. It seems that human speech, at least for me, is something that is difficult NOT to pay attention to—it seems my brain HAS to process it. Speech in languages that I know are more difficult than speeches in languages I do not know. Familiarity definitely has a role in this. So, it appears that there are factors outside of our control that affect what we process, or “pay attention to.” I think spoken language is just one example. Loud noises and bright lights would be difficult, if not impossible, to ignore—though I can sleep through my loud alarm clock quite well! -Dan Laxman From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Tue Sep 19 00:24:58 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Paige) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:24:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Filtering Message-ID: <20060918232458.B615E467B2@mprdmxin.myway.com> --MYWAYBOUNDARY_000__9531505670abf99c20aea5f9fd8f6fdf Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I loved the leacture on Thursday about filter theories. The triesmans filter theory was a little crazy, but it makes sense. Something I find really interesting though is what he said about your name. How we are trained to really pick up on our names when they are said. But what happens when you have a name that is not just a name for a person. For example, my name is Paige. Obviously it is pronounced that same as page. When I am in class though, even when I am not paying attention (which is almost never I swear), and a teacher makes a reference to a page in the book or something, I never bolt up right thinking they are talking to me. True, it is most likely context, but I swear when someone is making reference to a page, I have never thought it sounded like my name. It's as if they sound completley different. I am guessing this is a trained thing that I have developed due to common reference to my name class, and my filters tell me that it is not my name. Still, I think it is kind of funny. -Paige Baucom--- On Mon 09/18, < psych3120-request@lists.csbs.utah.edu > wrote:From: [mailto: psych3120-request@lists.csbs.utah.edu]To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.eduDate: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:02:03 -0600 (MDT)Subject: Psych3120 digest, Vol 1 #908 - 6 msgsSend Psych3120 mailing list submissions topsych3120@lists.csbs.utah.eduTo subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visithttp://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' topsych3120-request@lists.csbs.utah.eduYou can reach the person managing the list atpsych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.eduWhen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specificthan "Re: Contents of Psych3120 digest..."Today's Topics:1. modes posting 2 (Kasey lundgren)2. (no subject) (Becca Vrabel)3. (no subject) (Jessica Otteson)4. contribution 3 (ryan green)5. vision disorders (dog_log1@yahoo.com)6. interactive activation model. (Sabreena Khan)--__--__--Message: 1Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 20:37:55 -0700 (PDT)From: Kasey lundgren To: psych posting Subject: [Psych3120] modes posting 2Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu--0-871699462-1158550675=:2774Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bitI found a couple things pretty darn amazing this week. It's very interesting to meto learn that if you are color bind that doesn't necessary mean to are blindto all color. I know my sociology teacher would always comment andmake jokes about how color blind he was and that is why he never matched butreally he was just sticking within the realm of color he could actually distinguishwhich was pretty much blue white and brown, it' pretty funny when you think about it. I also found it very unteresting to learn about akintopsia......how would it beto never see anything in motion to only see cut frames of an image in motion. Howwould you do the simplest task such as getting a glass of water or tying yourshoes? you could never play sports or drive a car. I wonder if you could even see ifyou were going to get hit by an object early enough to get out of the way......hmmm.selective attention and triesmans filter theory is also very interesting. I now notice how when i am concentrating hard on one thing my attention can be immediatly taken away when someone says my name because i am not completly shutting out what is going on around me. I wonder if it is the same when you sleep, because the only thing i will wake up to is either my cell phone or my name. could yoube filtering out information when you sleep but when an attenuated messageis important it is processed and grabs your attention enough to wake you up...iwonder?kasey---------------------------------Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. --0-871699462-1158550675=:2774Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I found a couple things pretty darn amazing this week. It's very interesting to meto learn that if you are color bind that doesn't necessary mean to are blindto all color. I know my sociology teacher&nbsp; would always comment andmake jokes about how color blind he was and that is why he never matched butreally he was just sticking within the realm of color he could actually distinguishwhich was pretty much blue white and brown, it' pretty funny when you think about it. I also found it very unteresting to learn about akintopsia......how would it beto never see anything in motion to only see cut frames of an image in motion. Howwould you do the simplest task such as getting a glass of water or tying yourshoes? you could never play sports or drive a car. I wonder if you could even see ifyou were going to get hit by an object early enough toget out of the way......hmmm.selective attention&nbsp; and triesmans filter theory is also very interesting. I now notice how when i am concentrating hard on one thing my attention can be immediatly taken away when someone says my name because i am not completly shutting out what is going on around me. I wonder if it is the same when you sleep, because the only thing i will wake up to is either my cell phone or my name. could yoube filtering out information when you sleep but when&nbsp; an attenuated messageis important it is processed and grabs your attention enough to wake you up...iwonder?kasey&#32; Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. --0-871699462-1158550675=:2774----__--__--Message: 2From: "Becca Vrabel" To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.eduDate: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 03:37:55 +0000Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject)Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.eduThis is in response to Lexi's last post about what it would be like to lack the ability to see movement. Crazy!! I am curious how common this handicap is. How do these people function on a daily basis? How do they learn? Write? Move around their home? My guess is that these people would heavily rely on sound to learn and interact with their environment. What is it like to walk down the street? It is so hard to comprehend how these people interact with the world and other people on a daily basis...._________________________________________________________________All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. Get a free 90-day trial! http://www.windowsonecare.com/trial.aspx?sc_cid=msn_hotmail--__--__--Message: 3From: "Jessica Otteson" To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.eduDate: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:47:44 -0600Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject)Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu I was reading the chapter about memory and started to think about something.&nbsp; I used to crochet scarves a long time ago.&nbsp; Recently a friend of mine asked if I would make one for her or teach her how to do it herself.&nbsp; I initially told her no because it has been about 10 years since I have crocheted and didn't think I would remember how to do it.&nbsp; Then I was curious, so I went to the store and bought some yarn and crochet needles.&nbsp; I just wanted to know if I would remember how to crochet, and to my surprise, I did.&nbsp; I remembered it with no problems at all. I guess that knowing how to crochet was just being stored in my memory until I needed it again.&nbsp; I'm sure everyone has heard the saying, "it's like riding a bike."&nbsp; You don't have to ride a bike everyday to remeber how to do it.&nbsp; Even though I haven't ridden a bike since I was a kid, I still remember how.&nbsp; It's funny how you don't remember something until you are reminded of it, and it all just comes back to you.&nbsp; It makes me wonder what is being stored in my memory that hasn't been brought to the surface yet.--__--__--Message: 4Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:09:51 -0700 (PDT)From: ryan green To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.eduSubject: [Psych3120] contribution 3Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu--0-128410740-1158556191=:57133Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bitReality CheckI am writing this in response to some of the messages posted about the ¡§relativity¡¨ of our visual perceptions. Many people are amazed at how people can potentially perceive things differently due to different interpretations or manipulations of visual cues, perspective, positioning, and various mental processes. I am also very interested by this phenomenon. However, it seemed to me that many of us were implicitly taking this phenomenon to its logical end without analyzing the implications of that end. Simply stated, this phenomenon, when taken to its logical end, means that everything we know about life, truth, communication etc. is merely a subjective, relative knowledge and therefore reality itself is 100% relative. In other words, if everyone perceives things totally differently then, based on these different perceptions, truth itself is 100% subjective and relative and it appears that there is no objective truth on which we can base our communications and lives. This logical end is true as far as you can take it. However, the logical end can be misleading simply because it is not complete in its assessment of reality. It is true that we have different perceptions, different ways of understanding, and different ways of communicating these perceptions and understandings. But, it does not mean that 100% of reality is to be understood only in terms of subjective relativity. If reality was to be understood in this way, we would find ourselves blundering around in an abstract world that was totally devoid of any possibility for communication. We need to be careful not to make the mistake of extrapolating this phenomenon¡¦s power too far and giving it abilities beyond what it actually possesses. In fact, upon closer scrutiny, it appears that this subjective, relative reality is not even a dominant part of our perception of and interaction with reality. It doesn¡¦t seem to affect our daily lives as much as we inadvertently give it creditfor. It is obvious that we are still able to function in our daily lives, work, school, society etc¡KFor example, if you are reading this right now and have understood the words that I have used to create the sentences which form the paragraphs which will form this post, then you see that at some fundamental level there is an objective truth that allows us to communicate. In this example, it¡¦s the English language with all its rules and definitions that allows us to have an understanding of reality beyond subjective relativity.And we can see that just because I may see a flower as a slightly (or even totally) different shade of yellow, that we can still communicate and understand that it¡¦s still a flower and it still has a color even if we perceive the color differently (even if we perceive the flower in a monochromatic way). We can still smell the flower (assuming our olfactory system is functioning). We can still talk about how lovely it is (assuming we like flowers). We can still comment on how our girlfriends, wives and mothers love yellow roses (assuming we have these women in our lives). We are still functioning in a close enough knit objective reality. And in this closely knit objective reality we actually find a cohesive nature to our perceptions and not a separation through perceived differences.We are generally rational people and when there is a difference of opinion or difference of perception, we can still either learn that what we have perceived was wrong, or we can always fall back on the old ¡§agree to disagree¡¨ adage. Thanks, Ryan Green---------------------------------Do you Yahoo!?Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail.--0-128410740-1158556191=:57133Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reality Check&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I am writing this in response to some of the messages posted about the ¡§relativity¡¨ of our visual perceptions. Many people are amazed at how people can potentially perceive things differently due to different interpretations or manipulations of visual cues, perspective, positioning, and various mental processes. I amalso very interested by this phenomenon. However, it seemed to me that many of us were implicitly taking this phenomenon to its logical end without analyzing the implications of that end. &nbsp;Simply stated, this phenomenon, when taken to its logical end, means that everything we know about life, truth, communication etc. is merely a subjective, relative knowledge and therefore reality itself is 100% relative. In other words, if everyone perceives things totally differently then, based on these different perceptions, truth itself is 100% subjective and relative and it appears that there is no objective truth on which we can base our communications and lives. &nbsp; --MYWAYBOUNDARY_000__9531505670abf99c20aea5f9fd8f6fdf Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I loved the leacture on Thursday about filter theories. The triesmans filter theory was a little crazy, but it makes sense. Something I find really interesting though is what he said about your name. How we are trained to really pick up on our names when they are said. But what happens when you have a name that is not just a name for a person. For example, my name is Paige. Obviously it is pronounced that same as page. When I am in class though, even when I am not paying attention (which is almost never I swear), and a teacher makes a reference to a page in the book or something, I never bolt up right thinking they are talking to me. True, it is most likely context, but I swear when someone is making reference to a page, I have never thought it sounded like my name. It's as if they sound completley different. I am guessing this is a trained thing that I have developed due to common reference to my name class, and my filters tell me that it is not my name. Still, I think it is kind of funny.
-Paige Baucom





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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 20:37:55 -0700 (PDT)
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I found a couple things pretty darn amazing this week. It's very interesting to me
to learn that if you are color bind that doesn't necessary mean to are blind
to all color. I know my sociology teacher would always comment and
make jokes about how color blind he was and that is why he never matched but
really he was just sticking within the realm of color he could actually distinguish
which was pretty much blue white and brown, it' pretty funny when you think about it.
I also found it very unteresting to learn about akintopsia......how would it be
to never see anything in motion to only see cut frames of an image in motion. How
would you do the simplest task such as getting a glass of water or tying your
shoes? you could never play sports or drive a car. I wonder if you could even see if
you were going to get hit by an object early enough to get out of the way......hmmm.
selective attention and triesmans filter theory is also very interesting. I now notice how when i am concentrating hard on one thing my attention can be immediatly taken away when someone says my name because i am not completly shutting out
what is going on around me. I wonder if it is the same when you sleep, because the only thing i will wake up to is either my cell phone or my name. could you
be filtering out information when you sleep but when an attenuated message
is important it is processed and grabs your attention enough to wake you up...i
wonder?
kasey


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I found a couple things pretty darn amazing this week. It's very interesting to me
to learn that if you are color bind that doesn't necessary mean to are blind
to all color. I know my sociology teacher&nbsp; would always comment and
make jokes about how color blind he was and that is why he never matched but
really he was just sticking within the realm of color he could actually distinguish
which was pretty much blue white and brown, it' pretty funny when you think about it.
I also found it very unteresting to learn about akintopsia......how would it be
to never see anything in motion to only see cut frames of an image in motion. How
would you do the simplest task such as getting a glass of water or tying your
shoes? you could never play sports or drive a car. I wonder if you could even see if
you were going to get hit by an object early enough to
get out of the way......hmmm.
selective attention&nbsp; and triesmans filter theory is also very interesting. I now notice how when i am concentrating hard on one thing my attention can be immediatly taken away when someone says my name because i am not completly shutting out
what is going on around me. I wonder if it is the same when you sleep, because the only thing i will wake up to is either my cell phone or my name. could you
be filtering out information when you sleep but when&nbsp; an attenuated message
is important it is processed and grabs your attention enough to wake you up...i
wonder?
kasey

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From: "Becca Vrabel"
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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 03:37:55 +0000
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This is in response to Lexi's last post about what it would be like to lack
the ability to see movement. Crazy!! I am curious how common this handicap
is. How do these people function on a daily basis? How do they learn? Write?
Move around their home? My guess is that these people would heavily rely on
sound to learn and interact with their environment. What is it like to walk
down the street? It is so hard to comprehend how these people interact with
the world and other people on a daily basis....

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From: "Jessica Otteson"
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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:47:44 -0600
Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject)
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I was reading the chapter about memory and started to think about something.&nbsp; I used to crochet scarves a long time ago.&nbsp; Recently a friend of mine asked if I would make one for her or teach her how to do it herself.&nbsp; I initially told her no because it has been about 10 years since I have crocheted and didn't think I would remember how to do it.&nbsp; Then I was curious, so I went to the store and bought some yarn and crochet needles.&nbsp; I just wanted to know if I would remember how to crochet, and to my surprise, I did.&nbsp; I remembered it with no problems at all. I guess that knowing how to crochet was just being stored in my memory until I needed it again.&nbsp; I'm sure everyone has heard the saying, "it's like riding a bike."&nbsp; You don't have to ride a bike everyday to remeber how to do it.&nbsp; Even though I haven't
ridden a bike since I was a kid, I still remember how.&nbsp; It's funny how you don't remember something until you are reminded of it, and it all just comes back to you.&nbsp; It makes me wonder what is being stored in my memory that hasn't been brought to the surface yet.



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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:09:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: ryan green
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Reality Check

I am writing this in response to some of the messages posted about the ¡§relativity¡¨ of our visual perceptions. Many people are amazed at how people can potentially perceive things differently due to different interpretations or manipulations of visual cues, perspective, positioning, and various mental processes. I am also very interested by this phenomenon. However, it seemed to me that many of us were implicitly taking this phenomenon to its logical end without analyzing the implications of that end.

Simply stated, this phenomenon, when taken to its logical end, means that everything we know about life, truth, communication etc. is merely a subjective, relative knowledge and therefore reality itself is 100% relative. In other words, if everyone perceives things totally differently then, based on these different perceptions, truth itself is 100% subjective and relative and it appears that there is no objective truth on which we can base our communications and lives.

This logical end is true as far as you can take it. However, the logical end can be misleading simply because it is not complete in its assessment of reality. It is true that we have different perceptions, different ways of understanding, and different ways of communicating these perceptions and understandings. But, it does not mean that 100% of reality is to be understood only in terms of subjective relativity. If reality was to be understood in this way, we would find ourselves blundering around in an abstract world that was totally devoid of any possibility for communication. We need to be careful not to make the mistake of extrapolating this phenomenon¡¦s power too far and giving it abilities beyond what it actually possesses. In fact, upon closer scrutiny, it appears that this subjective, relative reality is not even a dominant part of our perception of and interaction with reality. It doesn¡¦t seem to affect our daily lives as much as we inadvertently give it credit
for. It is obvious that we are still able to function in our daily lives, work, school, society etc¡K

For example, if you are reading this right now and have understood the words that I have used to create the sentences which form the paragraphs which will form this post, then you see that at some fundamental level there is an objective truth that allows us to communicate. In this example, it¡¦s the English language with all its rules and definitions that allows us to have an understanding of reality beyond subjective relativity.

And we can see that just because I may see a flower as a slightly (or even totally) different shade of yellow, that we can still communicate and understand that it¡¦s still a flower and it still has a color even if we perceive the color differently (even if we perceive the flower in a monochromatic way). We can still smell the flower (assuming our olfactory system is functioning). We can still talk about how lovely it is (assuming we like flowers). We can still comment on how our girlfriends, wives and mothers love yellow roses (assuming we have these women in our lives). We are still functioning in a close enough knit objective reality. And in this closely knit objective reality we actually find a cohesive nature to our perceptions and not a separation through perceived differences.

We are generally rational people and when there is a difference of opinion or difference of perception, we can still either learn that what we have perceived was wrong, or we can always fall back on the old ¡§agree to disagree¡¨ adage.

Thanks,
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Reality Check
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I am writing this in response to some of the messages posted about the ¡§relativity¡¨ of our visual perceptions. Many people are amazed at how people can potentially perceive things differently due to different interpretations or manipulations of visual cues, perspective, positioning, and various mental processes. I am
also very interested by this phenomenon. However, it seemed to me that many of us were implicitly taking this phenomenon to its logical end without analyzing the implications of that end.
&nbsp;
Simply stated, this phenomenon, when taken to its logical end, means that everything we know about life, truth, communication etc. is merely a subjective, relative knowledge and therefore reality itself is 100% relative. In other words, if everyone perceives things totally differently then, based on these different perceptions, truth itself is 100% subjective and relative and it appears that there is no objective truth on which we can base our communications and lives. &nbsp;
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This logical end is true as far as you can take it. However, the logical end can be misleading simply because it is not complete in its assessment of reality. It is true that we have different perceptions, different ways of understanding, and different ways of communicating these perceptions and understandings. But, it does not mean that 100% of reality is to be understood only in terms of subjective relativity. If reality was to be understood in this way, we would find ourselves blundering around in an abstract world that was totally devoid of any possibility for communication. We need to be careful not to make the mistake of extrapolating this phenomenon¡¦s power too far and giving it abilities beyond what it actually possesses. In fact,
upon closer scrutiny, it appears that this subjective, relative reality is not even a dominant part of our perception of and interaction with reality. It doesn¡¦t seem to affect our daily lives as much as we inadvertently give it credit for. It is obvious that we are still able to function in our daily lives, work, school, society etc¡K
&nbsp;
&nbsp;For example, if you are reading this right now and have understood the words that I have used to create the sentences which form the paragraphs which will form this post, then you see that at some fundamental level there is an objective truth that allows us to communicate. In this example, it¡¦s the English language with all its rules and
definitions that allows us to have an understanding of reality beyond subjective relativity.
&nbsp;
&nbsp;And we can see that just because I may see a flower as a slightly (or even totally) different shade of yellow, that we can still communicate and understand that it¡¦s still a flower and it still has a color even if we perceive the color differently (even if we perceive the flower in a monochromatic way). We can still smell the flower (assuming our olfactory system is functioning). We can still talk about how lovely it is (assuming we like flowers). We can still comment on how our girlfriends, wives and mothers love yellow roses (assuming we have these women in our lives).
We are still functioning in a close enough knit objective reality. And in this closely knit objective reality we actually find a cohesive nature to our perceptions and not a separation through perceived differences.
&nbsp;
We are generally rational people and when there is a difference of opinion or difference of perception, we can still either learn that what we have perceived was wrong, or we can always fall back on the old ¡§agree to disagree¡¨ adage.&nbsp;
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After the discussion we had about vision and some of the different disorders people have I started to realize how much I take for granted. I don't have to wear glasses, I'm not color blind. I can't imagine how much it would take to adapt to something like akinetopsia. For those who don't remember that was the disorder where persons vision appears as if they were watching everything through a strobe light. You couldn't drive, or do many daily activities on your own. It made me think.



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After the discussion we had about vision and some of the different disorders people have I started to realize how much I take for granted.&nbsp; I don't have to wear glasses, I'm not color blind.&nbsp; I can't imagine how much it would take to adapt to something like akinetopsia.&nbsp; For those who don't remember that was the disorder where persons vision appears as if they were watching everything through a strobe light.&nbsp; You couldn't drive, or do many daily activities on your own.&nbsp; It made me think.
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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:57:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sabreena Khan
To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu
Subject: [Psych3120] interactive activation model.
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when considering the interactive activation model in
understanding attention, i was wondering if the route
of the processes are the same in those cultures that
are not literate (that is, they do not have a written
language-base)?? if i am not making myself clear, let
me try again: in the interactive activation model, we
learned that it is much easier to pick out an R in the
word WORK rather than pick it out in KWOR. so, if a
culture doesn't even have a written language base, do
they process things in the same manner??
i hope that makes sense..
sabreena khan

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Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com --MYWAYBOUNDARY_000__9531505670abf99c20aea5f9fd8f6fdf-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Tue Sep 19 05:17:24 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Claudia Guarderas) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 22:17:24 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Week of 12 & 14 Message-ID: ------=_Part_661_32905664.1158639444960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi All. As I was reading through the list of disorders, one in particular caught my attention, Apperceptive Agnosia. It was must be the strangest feeling to one day, all of the sudden not know what one is staring at, or know what it is, be able to describe it but still not be able to come up with the one word that would defines it. There is an interesting book I read a few years ago, it's called "The man who mistook his wife for a hat and other clinical tales" by Oliver Sacks. The first story is that of a professor P who one day seems to lose his ability of perception and while he can describe just about anything with incredible precision, he still fails to come up with the one word for the object he's describing in such detail. The book also has some other interesting stories, all relating to neurological problems, in case anyone wants to ck it out. ------=_Part_661_32905664.1158639444960 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Hi All.
 
As I was reading through the list of disorders, one in particular caught my attention, Apperceptive Agnosia.  It was must be the strangest feeling to one day, all of the sudden not know what one is staring at, or know what it is, be able to describe it but still not be able to come up with the one word that would defines it.  There is an interesting book I read a few years ago, it's called "The man who mistook his wife for a hat and other clinical tales" by Oliver Sacks.  The first story is that of a professor P who one day seems to lose his ability of perception and while he can describe just about anything with incredible precision, he still fails to come up with the one word for the object he's describing in such detail.  The book also has some other interesting stories, all relating to neurological problems, in case anyone wants to ck it out.
------=_Part_661_32905664.1158639444960-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Tue Sep 19 06:28:38 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Brett Larsen) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 22:28:38 -0700 Subject: [Psych3120] Different Message-ID: I was at work tonight and a friend of mine that i have known for a long time told me that he is color blind, i had no idea that he was and it really shocked me, I would have thought that it would have made a bigger difference in his life. I am not trying to say that people being color blind is necessarily debilitating but i thought at some point i would have known. I cant imagin looking at the world through his eyes, maybe it is just the way things are to him but i cant imagin not being able to distinguish certain colors. I think about all the things he must be missing out on and how beautifully colorful some things can be. I have wondered how we know what color is which. I mean we can all say that an apple is red but what if what is red to me is more like yellow to you. could it be that we all see in diffent colors from each other but we just learn through experience what to call each color. I think color blind people might be like this they just learn what different shades of the same color look like and learn what color it is even though what they see is not what we do. _________________________________________________________________ Find a local pizza place, music store, museum and more…then map the best route! http://local.live.com From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Tue Sep 19 09:19:05 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Darin Mano) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 02:19:05 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Correlation to other fields of study Message-ID: <3b4d82fa0609190119i7b82da27t2d7ad7e015d24071@mail.gmail.com> I have to admit that I was not at all ecited about the idea of taking cognitive psychology. I thought that it was going to be boring. I had this image of continually mamorizing the functions of the brain and the parts of the brain. However, I am actually really pleased with the class. I think that it has turned out to be really interesting. The thing that has really made it interesting is seeing the correlations between this class and many other classes that I have taken. When we were talking about the template theory it remimded me of a Linguistics class that I took for a general. One thing that we learned was about language aquisition and about how many people originally thought that the way we learned a language was by learning a number of templates that include a word and a meaning. This was a widely held belief, similar to what we learned about with about how the brain learns objects. Similar to the template theory we learned about, this theory about the aquisition of language was also quickly replaced. There are many of the exact same reasons that this is not a possible solution. This is just one the things that I have found to closely correlate to the things that we are learning in class right now. -- Darin M. Mano From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Tue Sep 19 15:45:49 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Benjamin Divine) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 07:45:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Demon Model Message-ID: <20060919144549.98341.qmail@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --0-983634203-1158677149=:96396 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The different models of recognition and processing were a bit difficult for me to understand on Thursday. However, after reviewing them further at home I now believe that I have grasped the main concepts. The Pandemonium Model was especially interesting to dissect. I have always felt like there were little demons in my head fighting for who can scream the loudest; so this made perfect sense! :) I know that we only discussed recognition of specific letters or words but this process can be used on any image we experience throughout our day. For most of us, when we see someone we know we just believe we see an overall facial image we recognize and process it extremely quickly without even knowing it. The Pandemonium Model would suggest that we are really processing different facial structure patterns that activate certain "demons" who then "yell" the loudest for attention and processing. It seems to me that for facial recognition, there would not just be one demon screaming the loudest as was illustrated in the letter experiment in class. I would guess that multiple demons or cells are firing to give an overall image appearance and recognition to our brain for rapid processing. It is no wonder why some people with brain damage have such a slow time recognizing things; their demons have been impaired! -Ben Divine --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. --0-983634203-1158677149=:96396 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The different models of recognition and processing were a bit difficult for me to understand on Thursday.  However, after reviewing them further at home I now believe that I have grasped the main concepts.  The Pandemonium Model was especially interesting to dissect.  I have always felt like there were little demons in my head fighting for who can scream the loudest; so this made perfect sense! :)  I know that we only discussed recognition of specific letters or words but this process can be used on any image we experience throughout our day.  For most of us, when we see someone we know we just believe we see an overall facial image we recognize and process it extremely quickly without even knowing it.  The Pandemonium Model would suggest that we are really processing different facial structure patterns that activate certain "demons" who then "yell" the loudest for attention and processing.  It seems to me that for facial recognition, there would not just be one demon screaming the loudest as was illustrated in the letter experiment in class.  I would guess that multiple demons or cells are firing to give an overall image appearance and recognition to our brain for rapid processing.  It is no wonder why some people with brain damage have such a slow time recognizing things; their demons have been impaired!  -Ben Divine

How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. --0-983634203-1158677149=:96396-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Tue Sep 19 19:40:25 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Kevin Mangum) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 11:40:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Selective attention Message-ID: <20060919184026.17876.qmail@web52614.mail.yahoo.com> --0-300691999-1158691225=:11412 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Something interesting i found when I was studing about selective attention, was that we consciously or unconsciously attend to things. For example, we can choose to focus on a tv program rather than a coffee table (consciously). In contrast, if we looked at a field of all the same color flowers, we would unconsciously notice an off color weed or flower in the middle of the field. Selective attention can be conscious or unconscious. Kevin Mangum --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. --0-300691999-1158691225=:11412 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Something interesting i found when I was studing about selective attention, was that we consciously or unconsciously attend to things. For example,  we can choose to focus on a tv program rather than a coffee table (consciously). In contrast, if we looked at a field of all the same color flowers, we would unconsciously notice an off color weed or flower in the middle of the field. Selective attention can be conscious or unconscious.
Kevin Mangum

Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. --0-300691999-1158691225=:11412-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Wed Sep 20 01:44:36 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Emily Slager) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:44:36 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Message 4 for the board Message-ID: <759c1ffd0609191744l72b95865ke49e4a5280733e6d@mail.gmail.com> ------=_Part_26212_21707729.1158713076105 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello All, I consider myself a really good multi tasker. I can attend to many people at one time, I can listen and read, I can listen and do homework, I can tune out traffic and do my homework while waiting for the bus, etc. But today's class helped me understand that I am probably not one of the rare cases that can do two things WELL at one time. See, I am good at selective attention, but not at divided attention (few people are). I can easily tune out distractions and focus on what I want to be focusing on, but I realized today that when I have divided attention, something must suffer. So, as I am talking with my husband while writing a paper, I am prohibiting myself from getting into a state of "flow" where I can be really into what I am writing and write quickly and well. But today's lecture on different brain regions that do not fight for the same attention made sense because I am a piano player, and I could always sing along to what I'm playing. Thus, one is visual/motor (actually these 2 are seperate but easily done) and another audio. Emily ------=_Part_26212_21707729.1158713076105 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello All,
     I consider myself a really good multi tasker.  I can attend to many people at one time, I can listen and read, I can listen and do homework, I can tune out traffic and do my homework while waiting for the bus, etc.  But today's class helped me understand that I am probably not one of the rare cases that can do two things WELL at one time.  See, I am good at selective attention, but not at divided attention (few people are).  I can easily tune out distractions and focus on what I want to be focusing on, but I realized today that when I have divided attention, something must suffer.  So, as I am talking with my husband while writing a paper, I am prohibiting myself from getting into a state of "flow" where I can be really into what I am writing and write quickly and well.  But today's lecture on different brain regions that do not fight for the same attention made sense because I am a piano player, and I could always sing along to what I'm playing.  Thus, one is visual/motor (actually these 2 are seperate but easily done) and another audio.
           Emily
------=_Part_26212_21707729.1158713076105-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Thu Sep 21 00:57:02 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (jolene stehlin) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:57:02 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: I used to consider myself a fairly observant person until I attended lecture on Tuesday. I was shocked when I learned that there had been a gorilla in the video with the kids who were passing the ball. During the video I noticed that people were laughing at something, I just assumed it was at the lame kids. All this time, the things that I have been noticing because "I was observant" were things that I was looking for. It makes me think of times when I have noticed something about a person or place and my friends don't, I'll say, "I can't believe you didn't notice that!" Now I understand that it isn't necessarily because there weren't paying attenting, they were just coding something different. _________________________________________________________________ Find a local pizza place, music store, museum and more…then map the best route! http://local.live.com From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Thu Sep 21 19:27:27 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Reed Dow) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:27:27 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] driving under the influence Message-ID: It's fascinating and scary how driving while talking on a cell can so severely impair a person. It makes me wonder why state governments are not more willing to illegalize driving and talking. I hope that as more research is conducted and it becomes more widely accepted that cellphones are such a big problem while driving that there will be legislation to make it illegal. I suppose that banning hand held phones while driving is a step in the right direction, but the research clearly shows that hands-free phones are just as dangerous. The law in California won't go into effect until 2008, and hopefully by that time some states will begin to outlaw talking on cell phones while driving altogether. From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Thu Sep 21 20:17:47 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Kyle Murdock) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:17:47 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Driving... Message-ID:


Today our professor brought up that the Mothers Against Drunk Driving have sent some nasty e-mails to him for saying that talking on the cell phone while driving is just as bad as being drunk at the .08 level. This brings up a very good point. If we are allowed to talk on our cell phones while driving, and it is just as bad, we should be recieving tickets for driving under the influence of cell phones. I personally would be mad if I couldn't talk on my cell phone while driving, but if it takes people off the road that are as dangerous as someone who could be getting a DUI, I am all for it. Lawmakers need to go further with this type of thing, but they don't want to piss people off. Therefore, people are dying from things that could easily be prevented. Thanks,

Kyle Murdock

From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Thu Sep 21 20:33:42 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (laura cervantes) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:33:42 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Distracting driving Message-ID: There was a newsarticle a few months ago on the new york post regarding cell phone use and if it impairs driving, I know that in some states like conneticut, they wanted to pass legislation that did not allow for hands on phone, i guess because of the peripheral interference, they were ok with hands off phone use. I am not at all for restricting citizens rights but I must admit that the study shown to us in class today of drunk driving versus cell phone users was very impressive, it gave me something to think about for sure. Laura C-Brunello _________________________________________________________________ Get today's hot entertainment gossip http://movies.msn.com/movies/hotgossip From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Thu Sep 21 23:57:23 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Ariann Beglarian) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:57:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] don't drink, dial, and drive... Message-ID: <20060921225723.45344.qmail@web31606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I found todays lecture somewhat amusing in the respect that people buy hands-free devices for cell phones to make things like driving while talking on the phone easier and less dangerous. When my fiance and I purchased our new cell phones recently, he spent one hundred extra dollars on a bluetooth headset specifically due to the fact that his work keeps him on the phone rather frequently and he's a horrible driver when he's got the phone between his ear and his shoulder, trying to steer, stay in his lane and shift gears all at the same time. I have to admit, he does drive better now that his head is disattached from his shoulder, but the lecture today proves otherwise. Apparently headsets are no better. what also amazed me today was learning that talking on a cell phone while driving is actually WORSE than driving under the influence! Tell that to my fiance when he wants to keep me on the phone while I'm trying to drive! It's also true that you miss about half of the things you would see and attend to if you weren't on the phone...my fiance always misses his turn or his exit when he's busily engaged in a conversation on his head set. As I said, the information recieved from the lecture as proven to be slightly amusing, yet totally scary at the same time. We might as well have thousands of drunk drivers out on the road right now. The thought makes me want to take the bus everywhere! One positive aspect: "peripheral interference" from dialing a cell phone while driving can be easily remedied with bluetooths voice activated dialing. I don't know how to use it, but instead of flipping through an address book and dialing people while driving you can just say the name and it's automatically dialed. Nifty, huh? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Fri Sep 22 07:36:50 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Paul Rudd) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 23:36:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Psych3120 digest, Vol 1 #910 - 4 msgs In-Reply-To: <200609191804.k8JI4Foa028227@topo.csbs.utah.edu> Message-ID: <20060922063650.50324.qmail@web34806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- psych3120-request@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: > Send Psych3120 mailing list submissions to > psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > visit > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > psych3120-request@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it > is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Psych3120 digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Week of 12 & 14 (Claudia Guarderas) > 2. Different (Brett Larsen) > 3. Correlation to other fields of study (Darin > Mano) > 4. Demon Model (Benjamin Divine) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 22:17:24 -0600 > From: "Claudia Guarderas" > To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > Subject: [Psych3120] Week of 12 & 14 > Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > ------=_Part_661_32905664.1158639444960 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; > format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Disposition: inline > > Hi All. > > As I was reading through the list of disorders, one > in particular caught my > attention, Apperceptive Agnosia. It was must be the > strangest feeling to > one day, all of the sudden not know what one is > staring at, or know what it > is, be able to describe it but still not be able to > come up with the one > word that would defines it. There is an interesting > book I read a few years > ago, it's called "The man who mistook his wife for a > hat and other clinical > tales" by Oliver Sacks. The first story is that of > a professor P who one > day seems to lose his ability of perception and > while he can describe just > about anything with incredible precision, he still > fails to come up with the > one word for the object he's describing in such > detail. The book also has > some other interesting stories, all relating to > neurological problems, in > case anyone wants to ck it out. > > ------=_Part_661_32905664.1158639444960 > Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Disposition: inline > >
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As I was reading through the list of disorders, > one in particular caught my attention, Apperceptive > Agnosia.  It was must be the strangest feeling > to one day, all of the sudden not know what one is > staring at, or know what it is, be able to describe > it but still not be able to come up with the one > word that would defines it.  There is an > interesting book I read a few years ago, it's called > "The man who mistook his wife for a hat and > other clinical tales" by Oliver Sacks.  > The first story is that of a professor P who one day > seems to lose his ability of perception and while he > can describe just about anything with incredible > precision, he still fails to come up with the one > word for the object he's describing in such > detail.  The book also has some other > interesting stories, all relating to neurological > problems, in case anyone wants to ck it out. >
> > ------=_Part_661_32905664.1158639444960-- > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > From: "Brett Larsen" > To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 22:28:38 -0700 > Subject: [Psych3120] Different > Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > I was at work tonight and a friend of mine that i > have known for a long time > told me that he is color blind, i had no idea that > he was and it really > shocked me, I would have thought that it would have > made a bigger difference > in his life. I am not trying to say that people > being color blind is > necessarily debilitating but i thought at some point > i would have known. I > cant imagin looking at the world through his eyes, > maybe it is just the way > things are to him but i cant imagin not being able > to distinguish certain > colors. I think about all the things he must be > missing out on and how > beautifully colorful some things can be. I have > wondered how we know what > color is which. I mean we can all say that an apple > is red but what if what > is red to me is more like yellow to you. could it be > that we all see in > diffent colors from each other but we just learn > through experience what to > call each color. I think color blind people might be > like this they just > learn what different shades of the same color look > like and learn what color > it is even though what they see is not what we do. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Find a local pizza place, music store, museum and > more…then map the best > route! http://local.live.com > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 02:19:05 -0600 > From: "Darin Mano" > To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > Subject: [Psych3120] Correlation to other fields of > study > Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > I have to admit that I was not at all ecited about > the idea of taking > cognitive psychology. I thought that it was going > to be boring. I > had this image of continually mamorizing the > functions of the brain > and the parts of the brain. However, I am actually > really pleased > with the class. I think that it has turned out to > be really > interesting. > > The thing that has really made it interesting is > seeing the > correlations between this class and many other > classes that I have > taken. When we were talking about the template > theory it remimded me > of a Linguistics class that I took for a general. > One thing that we > learned was about language aquisition and about how > many people > originally thought that the way we learned a > language was by learning > a number of templates that include a word and a > meaning. This was a > widely held belief, similar to what we learned about > with about how > the brain learns objects. Similar to the template > theory we learned > about, this theory about the aquisition of language > was also quickly > replaced. There are many of the exact same reasons > that this is not a > possible solution. > > This is just one the things that I have found to > closely correlate to > the things that we are learning in class right now. > > -- > Darin M. Mano > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 07:45:49 -0700 (PDT) > From: Benjamin Divine > To: Cognitive > Subject: [Psych3120] Demon Model > === message truncated === Paul Rudd In class on Thursday the 21st we discussed driving while using a cell phone. It is remarkable how impaired people become while on a cell phone. I can only imagine the impairment if the conversation became serious. With all the research being conducted with cell phone use, I never heard any statistics about the gender of the driver. I would like to know if men or women use their phones more, and which gender is seemingly more impaired. I also found comparing impairment of cell phones and alcohol a little confusing. The legal limit of .08 is a very low alcohol blood level and to compare it to cell phone use is difficult. It is hard to measure cell phone use and come up with a number that is equal to .08. I guess impairment really does just come down to attention. If someone can attend to driving because of alcohol or cell phones then they should probably avoid driving all together. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Fri Sep 22 17:40:33 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 11:40:33 -0500 Subject: [Psych3120] Multiple resources theory (Romney Stevens) Message-ID: <20060922114033.0lrfpz5z4008s88o@wm.integrity.com> I think it's interesting that in the book they don't regard the multiple resources theory as applicable and they say that it doesn't work very well. In class, Dr. Strayer emphasized the multiple resources theory quite a bit and said it was useful, even though their are certain combinations of activities (like driving and talking on a cell phone) which the theory can't explain. I guess it's just a useful theory to be able to categorize most of the types of activities that can be done simultaneously and don't draw from the same pool of attention. From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Fri Sep 22 22:22:37 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Keith Radley) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 15:22:37 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Distracted . . . Message-ID: --_903f22ae-8c2c-47ba-af20-b65a03370ce1_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So recently we've talked about driving while distracted, especially while t= alking on the phone. I was thinking about this and I started wondering if = the same principle could be applied to studying. I know plenty of people w= ho study while listening to music, watching tv, eating, or doing a million = other things. I would think that most of these things would have a negativ= e impact on studying, but I couldn't find many articles that talked about t= he subject. It seems that many people have been critical of the nation's e= ducational system recently, and I think that some of the blame may be contr= ibuted to distractions that students have while they are studying. _________________________________________________________________ Search from any Web page with powerful protection. Get the FREE Windows Liv= e Toolbar Today! http://get.live.com/toolbar/overview= --_903f22ae-8c2c-47ba-af20-b65a03370ce1_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= So recently we've talked about driving while distracted, especially w= hile talking on the phone.  I was thinking about this and I started wo= ndering if the same principle could be applied to studying.  I know pl= enty of people who study while listening to music, watching tv, eating, or = doing a million other things.  I would think that most of these things= would have a negative impact on studying, but I couldn't find many article= s that talked about the subject.  It seems that many people have been = critical of the nation's educational system recently, and I think that some= of the blame may be contributed to distractions that students have while t= hey are studying.
Search from any Web page with powerful protect= ion. Get the FREE Windows Live Toolbar Today! Try it now!=0A= = --_903f22ae-8c2c-47ba-af20-b65a03370ce1_-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Fri Sep 22 22:45:28 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (alan richmond) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:45:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Driving While Talking Message-ID: <20060922214528.23542.qmail@web50310.mail.yahoo.com> I was surprised at the numbers that were presented in class on Thursday concerning driving and talking on the cell phone especially when compared to being legally intoxicated. I am old enough to remember when drinking and driving was not considered to be a big deal and to see the changes that have occurred over time. When I was taking drivers ed the instructors pointed out at that it was estimated that 1 in 4 drivers on the road was legally intoxicated. B.A.C. level was .10 at the time.Now because of the information that has been presented in class the new driving danger appears to be cell phones. As a rule I have made it a practice to never drive while talking on the cell phone in fact I turn mine off unless I have my wife with me. This may be in large part due to the discussion we had on Tuesday concerning inattention blindness. Ever since I have had a cell phone I have felt that if I were to be talking on it while driving I would be too absorbed with talking that I would inadvertantly "miss" something that was important and be the cause of a major accident as a result I don't talk and drive. Just as laws have changed concerning drinking and driving I am confident that as time goes by and more research is presented that there will come laws concerning talking and driving and that these laws will become stiffer and have penalties attached for violations. Alan Richmond __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sat Sep 23 03:13:46 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Jake Andreason) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 20:13:46 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: I'm probably not alone in this, but I've heard a lot of statistics on driving while talking on cell phones even before thursday's lecture. I still find it really interesting though when some of this research data shows that driving while on a cell phone can be worse then driving drunk. I decided to make a few observations of the drivers on my way home from work today. I noticed 6 people on the freeway on their cell phones and one of them was going quite a bit slower then the people in front of her, which was frustrating because it was in the fast lane. So the topics covered in class seamed to be hit right on the head. I would love it though if they did a experiment to see the effects of two people fighting while driving. Every now and then you see a couple fighting in the car and they really are all over the road. From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sat Sep 23 19:38:55 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Chad C Moffitt) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 12:38:55 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] divided attention Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6DF3F.866C79B4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all. Dr. Strayer's lecture on divided attention was interesting, = especially the discussion on cell phone driving and inattentional = blindness. Specifically, when conversing on a cell phone while driving = we fail to remember (or even notice) up to 50% of the information in our = environment. Dr. Strayer further discussed how the relevance of the = stimulus does not seem to be important in determining whether it will be = noticed and remembered. For example, an individual would be as likely = to not remember seeing a child on the side of the road as they would = seeing a simple garbage can. One theory is that during inattentional = blindness, we fail to even process the meaning of the stimuli we did not = attend to. In other words, what ever process is supressing or dividing = resources so as to attend to one bit of information over other = information is occuring clear back at the semantic level of processing. = But what if the semantic information of the stimuli was increased to = strong personal significance. For instance, suppose the child on the = side of the road was your own, or a niece or nephew of yours. Or = suppose your picture was on the billboard on the side of the road. = Would they be more noticable to you than other stimuli, and hense bring = you out of inattentional blindness for a moment? This makes sense when = you consider studies of dichotic listening using the shawdowing = technique. When personally relevant information, such as your name, is = presented to the ear that you are not attending to, it will get through = the filter and you will hear it. Can this happen on a visual level as = well? If so, does this not suggest that we indeed do process some of = the semantic information of the stimuli we are not attenting to, such as = objects on the side of the road? ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6DF3F.866C79B4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A=
Hi all.  Dr. = Strayer's lecture on divided attention was interesting, especially the = discussion on cell phone driving and inattentional blindness.  = Specifically, when conversing on a cell phone while driving we fail to = remember (or even notice) up to 50% of the information in our = environment.  Dr. Strayer further discussed how the relevance of = the stimulus does not seem to be important in determining whether it = will be noticed and remembered.  For example, an individual would = be as likely to not remember seeing a child on the side of the road as = they would seeing a simple garbage can.  One theory is that during = inattentional blindness, we fail to even process the meaning of the = stimuli we did not attend to.  In other words, what ever process is = supressing or dividing resources so as to attend to one bit of = information over other information is occuring clear back at the = semantic level of processing.  But what if the semantic information = of the stimuli was increased to strong personal significance.  For = instance, suppose the child on the side of the road was your own, or a = niece or nephew of yours.  Or suppose your picture was on the = billboard on the side of the road.  Would they be more noticable to = you than other stimuli, and hense bring you out of inattentional = blindness for a moment?  This makes sense when you consider studies = of dichotic listening using the shawdowing technique.  When = personally relevant information, such as your name, is presented to the = ear that you are not attending to, it will get through the filter and = you will hear it.  Can this happen on a visual level as well?  = If so, does this not suggest that we indeed do process some of the = semantic information of the stimuli we are not attenting to, such as = objects on the side of the road?
------_=_NextPart_001_01C6DF3F.866C79B4-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sun Sep 24 04:00:59 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (hailey Woodside) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 21:00:59 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] attention processing and autism Message-ID:
I tutor two little boys who have autism and it was interesting to learn about attention processing this week, because one of the main problems people with autism have is paying attention to one task, or a few tasks, because for whatever reason they don't have the ability to filter out all the information that we get in a given moment, like the lighting, or background noises like people talking, the TV...anything really. Alot of times when they have these huge temper tantrums I, think it is because they just can't deal the constant overwhelming sensory information they are getting but can't filter through, especially when someone is puting a demand on them by asking a question they have to think about. I was just wondering what life would be like without selective attention....really, really frustrating I guess!


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From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sun Sep 24 04:31:32 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (JESSE SITTERUD) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 21:31:32 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Memory Blocking Message-ID: A week or two ago my wife couldn't remember someone's name so she came and asked me what the was. Now I swear that if she would have asked me at any other pioint in time that I would've been able to remember that persons name, but I could not remember that persons name for the life of me! I sat and pondered what that name was for at least two hours. I couldn't understand why I could not remember this persons name. A day or two later when I was going over the course readings for class it just so happened that under the seven sins of memory that memory blocking was covered. Upon reading about this topic it all made sense and I was now able to understand why I couldn't remember that name that had just randomly escaped my mind. I keep finding the study of the mind and memory more and more intresting. _________________________________________________________________ Find a local pizza place, music store, museum and more…then map the best route! http://local.live.com From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sun Sep 24 04:32:31 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Becca Vrabel) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 03:32:31 +0000 Subject: [Psych3120] Driving Message-ID: On thursday Dr. Strayer told us about new laws in California that ban people from using the handsheld cell phones while drivng....yet every study conducted on this matter shows that there is absolutely no difference between using handsheld or handsfree. This just seems really weird to me. If there is no research supporting people's ability to drive better while talking on a handsfree phone, then what's the point of passing this law? Why not ban them completely or not at all? I'm sure that this would be a really hot and tricky issue, but it just seems like, what's the point? _________________________________________________________________ All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC.  Get a free 90-day trial! http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.windowsonecare.com/?sc_cid=msn_hotmail From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sun Sep 24 18:55:37 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Sabreena Khan) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 10:55:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] study guide question 1 Message-ID: <20060924175537.85500.qmail@web55409.mail.re4.yahoo.com> so. going through the first question on the study guide and i realize that there is so much crap that we went through. does anyone have an idea of the depth of information that we need to divulge? here is sort of an outline of what i put down: -rods and cones and the difference in concentrations on the retina. -the kind of information that rods and cones process. -the three layers of cells that light travels through after it hits the back of the eye. -the two pathways, mago and parvo cellular. **is this too much?? too little? anyone have any input?? sabreena khan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sun Sep 24 23:50:22 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (tucker voss) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 16:50:22 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: I would like to talk about selective attention and how I have seen it work in my day to day life. After having the lecture on selective attention I was curious to see how it affected me, and so I thought that I would use the driving simulation to show me the effects. I am currently a participant in the study of cell phones and its effects on driving, so when I finished my most recent driving simulation I asked the researcher (Jared) if he could note any differences in my driving from when I was on a cell phone compared to when I was just driving. He told me that he could not say for me in particular because he didn’t see me driving when I was not on a cell. On the other hand he did tell me what he has observed in general, and that was that he noticed that the drivers driving got steadily worse and their reaction time was slower when the driver got more in-depth with the conversation they were having on the phone. This gave support to what was said in the previous lecture about how everyone has a certain amount of attention to give, and when dual-tasking the more attention you put into one task the less you have to give to the other task. _________________________________________________________________ All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC.  Get a free 90-day trial! http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.windowsonecare.com/?sc_cid=msn_hotmail From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Mon Sep 25 00:19:44 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (ryan green) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 16:19:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Contribution 4 Message-ID: <20060924231944.30814.qmail@web34315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --0-1290419799-1159139984=:23083 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Curiosity Killed the Cat. Or, Was it Inattentional Blindness? Heck, Maybe It¡¦s Inattentional Blindness That¡¦s Keeping us Alive? I¡¦m curious, as maybe some of you are, how much inattentional blindness accounts for the mishaps, mistakes, and accidents in our lives. I fully understand that we can¡¦t take in (i.e. sense and process) all of the sensory stimulation that is out there in the world, nor would we necessarily want to as Hailey Woodside so eloquently pointed out in her last post about the autistic boys she tutors. But, I wonder to what extent inattentional blindness is causing the ¡§bad¡¨ things that happen to us, or that happen because of us. As Hailey articulated, it¡¦s not necessarily to our advantage to not have selective attention. If we didn¡¦t have selective attention, she thinks that the world would be ¡§really frustrating¡¨. I totally agree. However, it seems that selective attention and or divided attention is/are the very thing(s) that causes inattentional blindness. So, if it is good to select what we want to pay attention to, or divide what we want to pay attention to, then how could these ¡§positive¡¨ processes cause inattentional blindness which in general has a ¡§negative¡¨ connotation? I submit that inattentional blindness, though it is generally thought of in negative terms, is actually also for our own good (just as selective and divided attention are) and is therefore, not negative, but positive and beneficial. Furthermore, I submit that inattentional blindness is actually helping us to not have as many mistakes in our lives and, if we acknowledge it and heed the warnings produced by it, would then help us live healthier, more fruitful lives. I think that just as selective attention teaches us that we can¡¦t do 100 things at one time (i.e. we are limited), so does inattentional blindness. Just as the quality of the tasks we perform plummets as we try to select or divide our attention between too many tasks, and because it appears that selective and divided attention cause inattentional blindness, so inattentional blindness will necessarily increase as we select and divide too much or our attention. Now, you may be asking ¡§Ok, but how is this good¡¨? This is good in that it teaches us not to overload ourselves with too many tasks. In doing this, we will be able to focus more fully on the input that we choose to focus on and we will have greater quality of output and less mishaps, mistakes and accidents in the tasks that we do choose to perform. I¡¦m sure that if people had three, four, five etc. arms that what we would try to do would increase exponentially as we added more arms to our bodies. However, just as our attention is limited, so are our arms. We have only two arms, and we have only a limited ¡§supply¡¨ of attentional ¡§fuel¡¨ to allocate. So, we learn to use our arms to the capacity that they can be used to and not beyond (otherwise, we start dropping grocery bags because we tried to carry too many). Similarly, we learn to use our attention to the capacity that it can be used and not beyond less we facilitate more and more mishaps in our lives. Thus, we can see that inattentional blindness is actually there for our own benefit and is not negative at all! That is to say, inattentional blindness is there so we don¡¦t overwhelm ourselves and die. And that¡¦s a good thing. J Ps. If anyone missed Hailey¡¦s post, I attached it just under my post so you can all know what I was talking about in reference to what she said¡KAnd besides, good posts should be posted twice! Thanks, Ryan Green Hailey Woodside I tutor two little boys who have autism and it was interesting to learn about attention processing this week, because one of the main problems people with autism have is paying attention to one task, or a few tasks, because for whatever reason they don't have the ability to filter out all the information that we get in a given moment, like the lighting, or background noises like people talking, the TV...anything really. A lot of times when they have these huge temper tantrums I, think it is because they just can't deal with the constant overwhelming sensory information they are getting but can't filter through, especially when someone is putting a demand on them by asking a question they have to think about. I was just wondering what life would be like without selective attention....really, really frustrating I guess! --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com --0-1290419799-1159139984=:23083 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Curiosity Killed the Cat. Or, Was it Inattentional Blindness? Heck, Maybe It¡¦s Inattentional Blindness That¡¦s Keeping us Alive?
 
I¡¦m curious, as maybe some of you are, how much inattentional blindness accounts for the mishaps, mistakes, and accidents in our lives. I fully understand that we can¡¦t take in (i.e. sense and process) all of the sensory stimulation that is out there in the world, nor would we necessarily want to as Hailey Woodside so eloquently pointed out in her last post about the autistic boys she tutors. But, I wonder to what extent inattentional blindness is causing the ¡§bad¡¨ things that happen to us, or that happen because of us. As Hailey articulated, it¡¦s not necessarily to our advantage to not have selective attention. If we didn¡¦t have selective attention, she thinks that the world would be ¡§really frustrating¡¨. I totally agree. However, it seems that selective attention and or divided attention is/are the very thing(s) that causes inattentional blindness. So, if it is good to select what we want to pay attention to, or divide what we want to pay attention to, then how could these ¡§positive¡¨ processes cause inattentional blindness which in general has a ¡§negative¡¨ connotation?
I submit that inattentional blindness, though it is generally thought of in negative terms, is actually also for our own good (just as selective and divided attention are) and is therefore, not negative, but positive and beneficial. Furthermore, I submit that inattentional blindness is actually helping us to not have as many mistakes in our lives and, if we acknowledge it and heed the warnings produced by it, would then help us live healthier, more fruitful lives. 
I think that just as selective attention teaches us that we can¡¦t do 100 things at one time (i.e. we are limited), so does inattentional blindness. Just as the quality of the tasks we perform plummets as we try to select or divide our attention between too many tasks, and because it appears that selective and divided attention cause inattentional blindness, so inattentional blindness will necessarily increase as we select and divide too much or our attention. 
Now, you may be asking ¡§Ok, but how is this good¡¨? This is good in that it teaches us not to overload ourselves with too many tasks. In doing this, we will be able to focus more fully on the input that we choose to focus on and we will have greater quality of output and less mishaps, mistakes and accidents in the tasks that we do choose to perform. I¡¦m sure that if people had three, four, five etc. arms that what we would try to do would increase exponentially as we added more arms to our bodies. However, just as our attention is limited, so are our arms. We have only two arms, and we have only a limited ¡§supply¡¨ of attentional ¡§fuel¡¨ to allocate.  So, we learn to use our arms to the capacity that they can be used to and not beyond (otherwise, we start dropping grocery bags because we tried to carry too many). Similarly, we learn to use our attention to the capacity that it can be used and not beyond less we facilitate more and more mishaps in our lives. Thus, we can see that inattentional blindness is actually there for our own benefit and is not negative at all! That is to say, inattentional blindness is there so we don¡¦t overwhelm ourselves and die. And that¡¦s a good thing. J
 
Ps. If anyone missed Hailey¡¦s post, I attached it just under my post so you can all know what I was talking about in reference to what she said¡KAnd besides, good posts should be posted twice!
 
Thanks,
Ryan Green
 
 
Hailey Woodside
I tutor two little boys who have autism and it was interesting to 
learn about attention processing this week, because one of the main
 
problems people with autism have is paying attention to one task, or 
a few tasks, because for whatever reason they don't have the ability to 
filter out all the information that we get in a given moment, like the 
lighting, or background noises like people talking, the TV...anything 
really. A lot of times when they
 have these huge temper tantrums I, 
think it is because they just can't deal with the constant overwhelming 
sensory information they are getting but can't filter through, especially 
when someone is putting a demand on them by asking a question they have to 
think about. I was just wondering what life would be like without selective 
attention....really, really
 frustrating I guess!   

Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com --0-1290419799-1159139984=:23083-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Mon Sep 25 01:18:47 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Natalie Mitchell) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 18:18:47 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] cell phones and driving Message-ID: I found Thursday lecture, and the work Dr. Strayer has performed on driving and cell phone usage very interesting. All of the findings in this area make sense. From my own experience when driving and talking on a cell phone it is like your attention has become split and your "driving self" appears to simply be on auto-pilot, casually reacting to the world. I think that many people instinctively know how impairing talking on a cell phone and driving is, in that most people change their behavior in different circumstances. For example, I will not talk on the phone if I have other individuals in the car, and it seems that when I do see people talking on their phone they are usually in the car alone. What I found most curious in the lecture is that there was absolutely no difference in safety between those who use a hand free set and those who do not. What is the most astonishing is that these finding have been largely ignored, with states still attempting to pass bills restricting hand held phones. This is a all too common problem in the United States when legislation is passed based on what the officials believe to be the problem, a judgment that can be completely out of touch with reality. Unfortunately, the most obvious answer is not always the correct one. It is difficult to understand how such clear evidence can be ignored, and the public lead to believe facts that have no scientific basis. It makes you question many of the common notions we all hold. From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Mon Sep 25 01:34:32 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Jacob Hansen) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 18:34:32 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] cell phone driving Message-ID:


After the lecture on thursday i have been making a conscious effort to monitor my driving while i am using a cell phone.  i noticed that i do not pay attention to what i am doing while using the cell phone.  there will even be large amounts of time that i cannot recall what had taken place or how much time had passed.  I must say that in the least of this all i have been scared to death.  I have been paying special attention to how others driving behavior is effected while they are driving and using the cell phone.  even have noted that individuals who make mistakes or who are careless driving will become enraged when other individuals make indication of their erratic behaviors. 




JAKE
From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Mon Sep 25 01:44:24 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (jolene stehlin) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 18:44:24 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: I just finished reading Set Phasers to Stun and was terrified by what I had learned. That was an awful story, but interesting. It's scary to think that mishaps like that happen everyday simply because a possible problem isn't considered and unfortunately we don't find out about these kinds of "glitches" until someone gets hurt. _________________________________________________________________ Try the new Live Search today! http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/searchlaunch/?locale=en-us&FORM=WLMTAG From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Mon Sep 25 02:33:53 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Kim Endersen) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 18:33:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] The Psychology of Baseball Message-ID: <20060925013353.86996.qmail@web35312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --0-749066950-1159148033=:86065 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ever wonder how an outfielder could possibly miss a ball hit right to him, or why a curveball is so tricky to hit? Well it might not entirely be their fault, their human visual system may be letting them down. It appears that balls hit directly to an outfielder are actually the hardest to catch. The reason? Well in class we talked about how humans use visual cues around them to determine size and speed of an object (remember the discussion on the tree on the side of the road and the passenger perceived themselves as moving faster depending on if they were travelling in the direction of the tree or away from the tree?) Standing directly under the ball coming at them, there are fewer visual cues for the ballplayer to ascertain how fast the ball is coming at them and at what trajectory. Good outfielders will move around under the ball and take different perspectives and side views of the ball coming at them so that they can catch it. Another aspect of baseball influenced by our visual system is the fact that for experienced players, curveballs are harder to hit than even the most blazing fastballs. Recent research by Cathy Craig, a psychologist in the UK, suggests that humans may not be able to correctly judge the path of a round object when it is spinning. In her experiment, she focused on why soccer goalies miss free-kicks so often. She found that players correctly judged where the ball would travel when it was kicked with no spin. When the ball kicked the ball with spin, however, the player couldn't tell if the ball would enter the net or not, or if it did enter, where in the net it would land. Craig argues that the human visual system may not be able to figure it out. --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. --0-749066950-1159148033=:86065 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ever wonder how an outfielder could possibly miss a ball hit right to him, or why a curveball is so tricky to hit?  Well it might not entirely be their fault, their human visual system may be letting them down.  It appears that balls hit directly to an outfielder are actually the hardest to catch.  The reason?  Well in class we talked about how humans use visual cues around them to determine size and speed of an object (remember the discussion on the tree on the side of the road and the passenger perceived themselves as moving faster depending on if they were travelling in the direction of the tree or away from the tree?)  Standing directly under the ball coming at them, there are fewer visual cues for the ballplayer to ascertain how fast the ball is coming at them and at what trajectory.  Good outfielders will move around under the ball and take different perspectives and side views of the ball coming at them so that they can catch it.  Another aspect of baseball influenced by our visual system is the fact that for experienced players, curveballs are harder to hit than even the most blazing fastballs.  Recent research by Cathy Craig, a psychologist in the UK, suggests that humans may not be able to correctly judge the path of a round object when it is spinning.  In her experiment, she focused on why soccer goalies miss free-kicks so often.  She found that players correctly judged where the ball would travel when it was kicked with no spin.  When the ball kicked the ball with spin, however, the player couldn't tell if the ball would enter the net or not, or if it did enter, where in the net it would land.  Craig argues that the human visual system may not be able to figure it out.

Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. --0-749066950-1159148033=:86065-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Mon Sep 25 02:44:06 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Kasey lundgren) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 18:44:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] cell phone vs. tired driving??? Message-ID: <20060925014406.79389.qmail@web33010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --0-322798827-1159148646=:76801 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit i was reading on line about drunk driving vs driving while talking on a cell phone and i ran across something interesting. I found many articles claiming that driving while drowsy is just as bad if not worse then driving while drunk. i thought it would be interesting to do a study on driving while talking on a cell phone vs. driving while asleep . It seems the evidence i found for each case basically points to the fact that talking on your cell phone is not only worse then drunk driving but it's equal to or worse then driving while sleep deprived. It's pretty astonishing that you better off driving on the road with a drunken tired old man then a sixteen year old cell phone crazed girl........THAT IS SCARY!!!! i found some info i thought i would share with you all about the issue: The U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration estimates that 100,000 of reported crashes occur as a result of drowsiness, and considers sleep deprived drivers a hazard equal in severity to drunk drivers. Studies show that staying awake for 18 hours and driving produces the same effect as being legally drunk behind the wheel. The greater the sleep deprivation, the closer the correlation to higher levels of intoxication.The cost, damages, injuries, and fatalities resulting from sleep deprived drivers have been estimated at $12.5 billion. i just thought this was a pretty interesting subject that no many of us would know about. Kasey --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. --0-322798827-1159148646=:76801 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
i was reading on line about drunk driving vs driving while talking on a cell phone
 and i ran across something interesting. I found many articles claiming that driving
while drowsy is just as bad if not worse then driving while drunk. i thought it would
be interesting to do a study on driving while talking on a cell phone vs. driving
while asleep . It seems the evidence i found for each case basically points to
the fact that talking on your cell phone is not only worse then drunk driving but
it's equal to or worse then driving while sleep deprived. It's pretty astonishing that you
better off driving on the road with a drunken tired old man then a sixteen year old
cell phone crazed girl........THAT IS SCARY!!!! i found some info i thought i would
share with you all about the issue:
The U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration estimates that 100,000 of reported crashes occur as a result of drowsiness, and considers sleep deprived drivers a hazard equal in severity to drunk drivers. Studies show that staying awake for 18 hours and driving produces the same effect as being legally drunk behind the wheel. The greater the sleep deprivation, the closer the correlation to higher levels of intoxication.The cost, damages, injuries, and fatalities resulting from sleep deprived drivers have been estimated at $12.5 billion.
i just thought this was a pretty interesting subject that no many of us would know
about.
 
Kasey

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Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. --0-322798827-1159148646=:76801-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Mon Sep 25 03:33:14 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (William Gordon) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 20:33:14 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Study Guide In-Reply-To: <200609241802.k8OI22L6007766@topo.csbs.utah.edu> Message-ID: First I wanted to say that since class on Thursday, I have been paying attention to people on their phones, and I have found that the info the professor gave us accurately describes what people do when they are on their phones. For example, it seems as though everyone trails far behind the car in front of them if they are on their phone. That's just one example, but I noticed, in general, people drive like, well, idiots. I saw a Myth Busters that got a man and a woman drunk and had them drive while they were observed, and they also had the same couple drive while on the phone. They made as many mistakes on the phone as when they were legally drunk. Imagine the damage a drunk driver could do while talking on the ol' cell phone. Yikes. Anyway, secondly I wanted to add to Sabreena's post. I think that the more thorough you get, the better. For example, this is what i have for question one so far: 1. Light (visual stimuli) enters through the pupil, and the lens focuses an inverted image on the fovea which is the focal point of the retina. The retina contains the light-sensitive cells. These light-sensitive cells consist of rods and cones. There are no rods in the fovea. Rods are responsible for peripheral and night vision. They are sensitive to light, not color. Cones detect color and are responsible for color vision and visual acuity. The rods and cones code what they “see,” the light waves, into neural impulses. Those neural impulses travel down the optic nerves which exit the back of the eye, and they meet at the optic chiasm which is like a visual relay system... Please feel free to add to this...anyone. >From: psych3120-request@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: Psych3120 digest, Vol 1 #915 - 5 msgs >Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 12:02:02 -0600 (MDT) > >Send Psych3120 mailing list submissions to > psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > psych3120-request@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >You can reach the person managing the list at > psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Psych3120 digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. divided attention (Chad C Moffitt) > 2. attention processing and autism (hailey Woodside) > 3. Memory Blocking (JESSE SITTERUD) > 4. Driving (Becca Vrabel) > 5. study guide question 1 (Sabreena Khan) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 >Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 12:38:55 -0600 >From: "Chad C Moffitt" >To: >Subject: [Psych3120] divided attention >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >------_=_NextPart_001_01C6DF3F.866C79B4 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >Hi all. Dr. Strayer's lecture on divided attention was interesting, = >especially the discussion on cell phone driving and inattentional = >blindness. Specifically, when conversing on a cell phone while driving = >we fail to remember (or even notice) up to 50% of the information in our = >environment. Dr. Strayer further discussed how the relevance of the = >stimulus does not seem to be important in determining whether it will be = >noticed and remembered. For example, an individual would be as likely = >to not remember seeing a child on the side of the road as they would = >seeing a simple garbage can. One theory is that during inattentional = >blindness, we fail to even process the meaning of the stimuli we did not = >attend to. In other words, what ever process is supressing or dividing = >resources so as to attend to one bit of information over other = >information is occuring clear back at the semantic level of processing. = >But what if the semantic information of the stimuli was increased to = >strong personal significance. For instance, suppose the child on the = >side of the road was your own, or a niece or nephew of yours. Or = >suppose your picture was on the billboard on the side of the road. = >Would they be more noticable to you than other stimuli, and hense bring = >you out of inattentional blindness for a moment? This makes sense when = >you consider studies of dichotic listening using the shawdowing = >technique. When personally relevant information, such as your name, is = >presented to the ear that you are not attending to, it will get through = >the filter and you will hear it. Can this happen on a visual level as = >well? If so, does this not suggest that we indeed do process some of = >the semantic information of the stimuli we are not attenting to, such as = >objects on the side of the road? > >------_=_NextPart_001_01C6DF3F.866C79B4 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >=0A= >charset=3Dunicode">=0A= >=0A= >=0A= >
Hi all.  Dr. = >Strayer's lecture on divided attention was interesting, especially the = >discussion on cell phone driving and inattentional blindness.  = >Specifically, when conversing on a cell phone while driving we fail to = >remember (or even notice) up to 50% of the information in our = >environment.  Dr. Strayer further discussed how the relevance of = >the stimulus does not seem to be important in determining whether it = >will be noticed and remembered.  For example, an individual would = >be as likely to not remember seeing a child on the side of the road as = >they would seeing a simple garbage can.  One theory is that during = >inattentional blindness, we fail to even process the meaning of the = >stimuli we did not attend to.  In other words, what ever process is = >supressing or dividing resources so as to attend to one bit of = >information over other information is occuring clear back at the = >semantic level of processing.  But what if the semantic information = >of the stimuli was increased to strong personal significance.  For = >instance, suppose the child on the side of the road was your own, or a = >niece or nephew of yours.  Or suppose your picture was on the = >billboard on the side of the road.  Would they be more noticable to = >you than other stimuli, and hense bring you out of inattentional = >blindness for a moment?  This makes sense when you consider studies = >of dichotic listening using the shawdowing technique.  When = >personally relevant information, such as your name, is presented to the = >ear that you are not attending to, it will get through the filter and = >you will hear it.  Can this happen on a visual level as well?  = >If so, does this not suggest that we indeed do process some of the = >semantic information of the stimuli we are not attenting to, such as = >objects on the side of the road?
>------_=_NextPart_001_01C6DF3F.866C79B4-- > >--__--__-- > >Message: 2 >From: "hailey Woodside" >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 21:00:59 -0600 >Subject: [Psych3120] attention processing and autism >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >
I tutor two little boys who have autism and it was interesting >to learn about attention processing this week, because one of the main >problems people with autism have is paying attention to one task, or a few >tasks, because for whatever reason they don't have the ability to filter >out all the information that we get in a given moment, like the lighting, >or background noises like people talking, the TV...anything really. Alot of >times when they have these huge temper tantrums I, think it is because they >just can't deal the constant overwhelming sensory information they are >getting but can't filter through, especially when someone is puting a >demand on them by asking a question they have to think about. I was just >wondering what life would be like without selective attention....really, >really frustrating I guess!


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> > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 >From: "JESSE SITTERUD" >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 21:31:32 -0600 >Subject: [Psych3120] Memory Blocking >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >A week or two ago my wife couldn't remember someone's name so she came and >asked me what the was. Now I swear that if she would have asked me at any >other pioint in time that I would've been able to remember that persons >name, but I could not remember that persons name for the life of me! I sat >and pondered what that name was for at least two hours. I couldn't >understand why I could not remember this persons name. A day or two later >when I was going over the course readings for class it just so happened >that >under the seven sins of memory that memory blocking was covered. Upon >reading about this topic it all made sense and I was now able to understand >why I couldn't remember that name that had just randomly escaped my mind. I >keep finding the study of the mind and memory more and more intresting. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Find a local pizza place, music store, museum and more…then map the best >route! http://local.live.com > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 4 >From: "Becca Vrabel" >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 03:32:31 +0000 >Subject: [Psych3120] Driving >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >On thursday Dr. Strayer told us about new laws in California that ban >people >from using the handsheld cell phones while drivng....yet every study >conducted on this matter shows that there is absolutely no difference >between using handsheld or handsfree. This just seems really weird to me. >If >there is no research supporting people's ability to drive better while >talking on a handsfree phone, then what's the point of passing this law? >Why >not ban them completely or not at all? I'm sure that this would be a really >hot and tricky issue, but it just seems like, what's the point? > >_________________________________________________________________ >All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC.  Get a free 90-day trial! >http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.windowsonecare.com/?sc_cid=msn_hotmail > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 5 >Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 10:55:37 -0700 (PDT) >From: Sabreena Khan >To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >Subject: [Psych3120] study guide question 1 >Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > >so. going through the first question on the study >guide and i realize that there is so much crap that we >went through. does anyone have an idea of the depth of >information that we need to divulge? here is sort of >an outline of what i put down: >-rods and cones and the difference in concentrations >on the retina. >-the kind of information that rods and cones process. >-the three layers of cells that light travels through >after it hits the back of the eye. >-the two pathways, mago and parvo cellular. >**is this too much?? too little? anyone have any >input?? >sabreena khan > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > >--__--__-- > >_______________________________________________ >Psych3120 mailing list >Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > > >End of Psych3120 Digest _________________________________________________________________ Be seen and heard with Windows Live Messenger and Microsoft LifeCams http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/digitalcommunication/default.mspx?locale=en-us&source=hmtagline From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Mon Sep 25 05:08:43 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Tom Stephenson) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 21:08:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] selective attention Message-ID: <20060925040843.22048.qmail@web51515.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1315170755-1159157323=:17218 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit A few years back I was headed up to a cabin in the Uinta Mountains late at night with some friends. We were talking with the radio up pretty loud while we drove down a dark winding road. During the conversation someone said it would be crazy if we hit a deer. Then what should appear, a deer right smack in the middle of the road. I spot it a scream there is your deer. My friend keeps driving like nothing is going on and askes "What?" I scream there's a deer! Even then it seemed like it took him a few more seconds to relize what was staning in the way and by then it was too late to stop and we swerved around it. He was so focused on driving that he didn't even see a deer standing right in the way. Tom Stephenson u0005428 --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. --0-1315170755-1159157323=:17218 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit A few years back I was headed up to a cabin in the Uinta Mountains late at night with some friends.  We were talking with the radio up pretty loud while we drove down a dark winding road.
During the conversation someone said it would be crazy if we hit a deer.  Then what should appear, a deer right smack in the middle of the road.  I spot it a scream there is your  deer.  My friend keeps driving like nothing is going on and askes "What?"  I scream there's a deer!
Even then it seemed like it took him a few more seconds to relize what was staning in the way and by then it was too late to stop and we swerved around it.
He was so focused on driving that he didn't even see a deer standing right in the way.
Tom Stephenson
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Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. --0-1315170755-1159157323=:17218-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Mon Sep 25 05:16:47 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Jessica Otteson) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 22:16:47 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Selective Attention Message-ID:
I was amazed in class when we watched that clip about selective attention.  Especially the one with the people wearing either black or white shirts passing the basketball to each other.  I was so concentrated on counting how many times the ball was passed, that I didn't even notice the person dressed in a gorilla costume come into the picture.  It makes me wonder if I would have noticed the gorilla if we were asked to pay attention to how many times the people in the black shirts passed the ball.  The clip that showed two women talking at a table was a little easier for me to spot the differences.  But, I also knew by that time that we were supposed to be watching for something to change.  If I hadn't known that, I probably would have never noticed.  It's funny how we often miss the minor details in daily occurences!
From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Mon Sep 25 05:22:36 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Lexi Breeze) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 22:22:36 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: Talking about selective attention this week made me think a lot about what ive seen and learned about subliminal messages. Do these messages sent to us below our threshold of attention really influence how we think and act? I dont think they do.We are only influenced by things that directly catch our attention. In the video we watched the gorilla was right in front of us but if you werent paying attention to it, you had no clue it was there. _________________________________________________________________ Find a local pizza place, music store, museum and more…then map the best route! http://local.live.com From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Mon Sep 25 06:34:45 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 22:34:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] cell phones Message-ID: <20060925053445.14675.qmail@web56513.mail.re3.yahoo.com> --0-1824611149-1159162485=:14100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I didn't think I was that bad of a cell phone driver until I really started paying attention to all of the little things I (and other people) do on the road while driving. After class the other day I really started being kind of critical of other peoples cell phone driving skills. On my way to work the next day.. there was an older gentleman in his car in front of me engrossed in a conversation with someone while trying to operate his vehicle. He wasn't doing a very good job. The speed limit on 90th south is 50 and he was courteously going 25. This was very frustrating because I was already late. In fact everyone I saw driving and talking that day was going below the speed limit. I'm sure it's not always that way but I found it interesting. Debra Hanger --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com --0-1824611149-1159162485=:14100 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I didn't think I was that bad of a cell phone driver until I really started paying attention to all of the little things I (and other people) do on the road while driving.  After class the other day I really started being kind of critical of other peoples cell phone driving skills.  On my way to work the next day.. there was an older gentleman in his car in front of me engrossed in a conversation with someone while trying to operate his vehicle.  He wasn't doing a very good job.  The speed limit on 90th south is 50 and he was courteously going 25.  This was very frustrating because I was already late.  In fact everyone I saw driving and talking that day was going below the speed limit.  I'm sure it's not always that way but I found it interesting.
Debra Hanger

Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com --0-1824611149-1159162485=:14100-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Mon Sep 25 06:59:13 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Justin Crump) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 23:59:13 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Cell phone driving In-Reply-To: <200609250147.k8P1kVRg012416@topo.csbs.utah.edu> Message-ID:

I was sitting there in thursday's lecture and most of the time applying all of the studies on driving while on a cell phone and noticing that how guiltly I was of all of the aspects of the dangers of doing so. Prior to the lecture my wife would always make fun of me for driving well under the posted speed limit when I was talking on my phone. It just kind of hit me when this was observed in a number of different people as well.

I found it immensly interesting that it is actually more safe to drive at the legal drinking range than to talk on a cell phone. This not only was a wake up for me but it just opened my mind to the huge problem it is for people not only in this state but all over the world. It is now more common to have a cell phone than to not have one. This statistic is dramatically changed from even 5 to 10 years ago. Some people, like myself, don't even have a home phone and just use their cell phone. I definetly agree with the laws that have been passed in New York and California in their attempt to make the roads a little safer but not allowing drivers to hold their cell phone up to their ear.


All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC.  Get a free 90-day trial! From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Mon Sep 25 16:15:21 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Jennifer Adams) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 09:15:21 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Multiple Resources--multi tasking Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C8_01C6E083.204D1CE0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_00C9_01C6E083.204D1CE0" ------=_NextPart_001_00C9_01C6E083.204D1CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 I found it really interesting to look at our attention compared to an economic type model, Resource Theory. Many of us (myself included) = believe we are able to multi-task well. I think part of the reason is that we generally do two opposing things at the same time. Our bodies are set up = so we can combine the two---(can you imagine not being able to listen at = the same time you see? Much of our experience is due to the combination of = the two senses. The planetarium shows would go out of business)=20 I was reminded of this just this past weekend when I went to Vegas. I = went to see the show KA. In those Cirque de Solei (sp) shows, your senses are = on overload. There were many times during the show that you just didn=92t = know where to focus your attention because there were things going on = everywhere. I described it as organized chaos. But I was able to experience it = through this ability to multi-task, if you will. However, had I been talking on = my cell phone, I would have missed a lot of the show just by adding that = verbal aspect. =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_001_00C9_01C6E083.204D1CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I found it really interesting to look = at our attention compared to an economic type model, Resource Theory. Many of = us (myself included) believe we are able to multi-task well. I think part of the = reason is that we generally do two opposing things at the same time. Our bodies = are set up so we can combine the two---(can you imagine not being able to listen = at the same time you see? Much of our experience is due to the combination of = the two senses. The planetarium shows would go out of business)
I was reminded of this just this past weekend when I went to Vegas. I = went to see the show KA. In those Cirque de Solei (sp) shows, your senses are on overload. There were many times during the show that you just = didn’t know where to focus your attention because there were things going on = everywhere. I described it as organized chaos. But I was able to experience it through = this ability to multi-task, if you will. However, had I been talking on my = cell phone, I would have missed a lot of the show just by adding that verbal = aspect.

 

  

 

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I've always viewed cell phones as a general nuisance and as a hazard when driving; specially since I have been rear ended by a woman that was chatting on the phone while driving ( I guess she just couldn't see the bright red braking lights and the fact that there was a stopped car in front of me). While I do own a cell phone, I avoid using it at all costs, specially while driving; it seems to me that traffic, construction and pedestrians on the street are enough of a distraction to add another one on top of it all. Because of where I live and work sometimes I drive as much as 200 miles per week which has me avoiding my fair share of distracted people behind the wheel. My job is on Redwood Rd., near the freeway exit on 21st S. Recently the major freeway construction was finished; however, the construction occurring on Redwood Rd. itself is still going on. Traffic around that area is HORRIBLE every single day; what makes that whole situation crazier thought, is the fact that many people, specially those on the phone ( and there are several on the phone), fail to notice that the road becomes a single lane while the inside lane becomes a left turn lane. It is simply amazing to see how many people keep on driving as if it was a two-lane road, that is, until the run into oncoming traffic. It seems to me that Dr. Strayer has done more than a very detailed and concrete study that gives sufficient reasons to ban cell phone use while driving. If no one condones drunk driving, why should we condone driving while chatting on the phone? In the end they both cause severely impaired driving. ------=_Part_43319_13838357.1159243509295 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline

This past Thursday's lecture was very interesting. I've always viewed ce= ll phones as a general nuisance and as a hazard when driving; specially sin= ce I have been rear ended by a woman that was chatting on the phone while d= riving ( I guess she just couldn't see the bright red braking lights and th= e fact that there was a stopped car in front of me). While I do own a cell = phone, I avoid using it at all costs, specially while driving; it seems to = me that traffic, construction and pedestrians on the street are enough of a= distraction to add another one on top of it all. Because of where I live a= nd work sometimes I drive as much as 200 miles per week which has me avoidi= ng my fair share of distracted people behind the wheel. My job is on Redwoo= d Rd., near the freeway exit on 21st S. Recently the major freeway construc= tion was finished; however, the construction occurring on Redwood Rd. itsel= f is still going on. Traffic around that area is HORRIBLE every single day;= what makes that whole situation crazier thought, is the fact that many peo= ple, specially those on the phone ( and there are several on the phone), fa= il to notice that the road becomes a single lane while the inside lane beco= mes a left turn lane. It is simply amazing to see how many people keep on d= riving as if it was a two-lane road, that is, until the run into oncoming t= raffic. It seems to me that Dr. Strayer has done more than a very detailed = and concrete study that gives sufficient reasons to ban cell phone use whil= e driving.  If no one condones drunk driving, why should we condone dr= iving while chatting on the phone?  In the end they both cause severel= y impaired driving.

------=_Part_43319_13838357.1159243509295-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Tue Sep 26 05:19:17 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Paige) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 00:19:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Cell Phones Message-ID: <20060926041917.4AF6E4678F@mprdmxin.myway.com> --MYWAYBOUNDARY_000__eef2460c17cba93e9f944f440b91f774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (I really hope this gets to you on time. I sent it earlier today and haven't been home until now. When I checked my email it said there was a problem with the one I sent earlier. If this one doesn't count for last week, I understand) I think that cell phone lecture was very interesting. In a class last semester, we actually talked about this study. When I first heard about it I decided to really think about what i was doing when I was talking on a cell phone. I found that the deeper the conversation I was having, the worse I was to paying attention to the road. If I was really trying to get someone off the phone, or didn't care what they were saying, the better I was at paying attention to the road. After Thursday's lecture, this is obviously no big surprise. But what about when you are just in deep thought while driving? Isn't that just as bad as talking to someone on your cell phone? I have had experiences when I've gotten in my car to go somewhere and ended up no where near I was meaning to go, but instead parking in my old high school's parking lot or something strange like that. I guess what I am trying to say is that if we do eventually ban cell phones while driving (which probably wouldn't be a horrible idea), how to also prevent all around lack of concentration while driving. -Paige Baucom _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com --MYWAYBOUNDARY_000__eef2460c17cba93e9f944f440b91f774 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
(I really hope this gets to you on time. I sent it earlier today and haven't been home until now. When I checked my email it said there was a problem with the one I sent earlier. If this one doesn't count for last week, I understand)

I think that cell phone lecture was very interesting. In a class last semester, we actually talked about this study. When I first heard about it I decided to really think about what i was doing when I was talking on a cell phone. I found that the deeper the conversation I was having, the worse I was to paying attention to the road. If I was really trying to get someone off the phone, or didn't care what they were saying, the better I was at paying attention to the road. After Thursday's lecture, this is obviously no big surprise. But what about when you are just in deep thought while driving? Isn't that just as bad as talking to someone on your cell phone? I have had experiences when I've gotten in my car to go somewhere and ended up no where near I was meaning to go, but instead parking in my old high school's parking lot or something strange like that. I guess what I am trying to say is that if we do eventually ban cell phones while driving (which probably wouldn't be a horrible idea), how to also prevent all around lack of concentration while driving.

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Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com --MYWAYBOUNDARY_000__eef2460c17cba93e9f944f440b91f774-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Tue Sep 26 05:44:05 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Darin Mano) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 22:44:05 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Color mixing Message-ID: <3b4d82fa0609252144p4ddee92cv7ddd069fcf528169@mail.gmail.com> It has really been interesting to take this class along with some architecture and design classes. I know that I make this point at every posting. But, there are really a lot of things that make connections between the two fields. We are learning about using powerpoint and photoshop in new ways. It is interesting to learn about color mixing at the same time. Many of the commands and terms that photoshop uses are the same things that we are learning about. For example saturation and lightness, etc. It is cool because it makes a lot more sense about exactly what I am doing and what is happening with this program. It is a more technical understanding of color that helps to use the program easier. On other notes. I am starting to read this weeks assigned readings. They are really interesting. I am exited to learn these new thigs. It sounds like we are going to make a pretty big change with what we are learning. It is pretty drastic what can happen when there is just a little mistake made. It was really scary about the radiation machine. I assume we will be moving into a discussion of the different things that affect human capability to carry out tasks without mistake. As well as the different design factors and application where it is important to incorporate the human ability to perform. -- Darin M. Mano From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Tue Sep 26 06:10:53 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Brett Larsen) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 22:10:53 -0700 Subject: [Psych3120] Hypothetical Message-ID: It might seem like we are getting too technical and even though we really discussed this topic to death in class i still have questions about driving with cell phones. Just hypothetically speaking, what if you were driving a blind person in your passenger seat and talking to them. Would that be dangerous also? We said that having a passenger in the car was actually a little bit safer because they can help you see things if you are not paying attention, and help you navagate, they also understand why you might need to tune them out once in a while, but would they still make it safer for you to have them in the front seat with you since they cant help you with any of this? Or, is it just as much a hazard to drive with a blind person as it is to talk on your cell phone? _________________________________________________________________ Try the new Live Search today! http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/searchlaunch/?locale=en-us&FORM=WLMTAG From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Tue Sep 26 06:33:55 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Dan Laxman) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 05:33:55 +0000 Subject: [Psych3120] Research Message-ID: I thought it interesting last lecture to see the research process as questions were asked and answered which in turn allowed more safety-relevant questions to be researched. I thought it was a good example of how psychological research progresses and how it can benefit out lives. In this case, Dr. Strayer found evidence that cell phone usage while driving interferes with one's ability to perform other cognitive functions as shown by the decreased ability of participants to recall items they'd looked at while driving and even rated as important. So there was proof that talking on the cell phone uses some cognitive resources. However, their still remained the question of whether or not those cognitive resources that were being used to talk on the cell phone were being pulled away from what needed to be used while driving. If cell phone use just intereferes with memory, that is not as big a deal as when it interferes with encoding or actually processing the information. Experiment 3 showed that cell phone use does indeed affect encoding as we can see that brain waves are suppressed when we use the cell phone. In other words, cognitive resources that are normally used for driving were being used for talking on the cell phone. Further research showed the severity of the impairment. In summary, I think Dr. Strayer's research is a neat example of how the research process progresses from one question to another until we clearly find something that can benefit us--in this case, save our lives. -Dan Laxman From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Tue Sep 26 07:46:39 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Aubrey Wilkinson) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 00:46:39 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] ok, so.. In-Reply-To: <200609251519.k8PFIVSS019361@topo.csbs.utah.edu> Message-ID:

As I was sitting in class and reading through all of these messages about cell phones and hazardous, worse-than-drunk driving.. I couldn't help but wonder about texting. I, uh.. have "a friend" who might do this from time to time. I'm just wondering if this has the same effect as talking on a cell phone while driving. I'm sure it would still have the effect of dividing attention.. but wouldn't it be for shorter, more sporadic periods of time? The message at hand would occupy some attention for a few seconds, then it's back to driving. I realize, however, that it's a bad plan because it takes your hand and eyes and attention away from the drive.. (Unless you're good enough you can text without looking, then your eyes aren't needed. Ahem. My "friend's" pretty good at that.) At any rate, accidents happen fast, and maybe texting and driving would occupy attention in different ways. It might take more attention for shorter blocks of time than an actual verbal phone conversation -- which could be a trade-off as far as better or worse.
All-in-all, despite our best attempts to force it, driving doesn't mix with much of anything. And it's like the oil to our watery cell phones.



From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Tue Sep 26 17:15:00 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Michelle Zur) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:15:00 +0000 Subject: [Psych3120] Re: ok so Message-ID:
I think we talked about texting in class and it was considered just as dangerous to do while driving unless done during breaks in driving such as stop lights. However, when done consistently while on the road it does pose a danger because your attention is not only focused on a conversation with someone that is not present but you are also focusing on the buttons of your phone, etc. I myself have been guilty of this as well and I wouldn't need to read a study in order to tell me that my attention is elsewhere when doing so.

Search—Your way, your world, right now! From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Tue Sep 26 22:07:36 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (laura cervantes) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:07:36 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] more on attention Message-ID: this week I wanted to share a newsclip that I saw on channel 2 that pertains to cell phone use. They interviewed a proffesor at the university of utah, he was talking about how distracted people get when they are using their cell phones. I think they said that a person is 4 x more likely to get into an accident using their cell phone use than if they were drunk, that's pretty amazing. there have been some supporters of the hands free use of cell phone but according to them, it's not what do you with your hands but where your mind is that the problem lyies. Laura C-Brunello _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself - download free Windows Live Messenger themes! http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://imagine-msn.com/themes/vibe/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=hmtagline From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Tue Sep 26 22:07:51 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Benjamin Divine) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:07:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] My Ironic Slip Message-ID: <20060926210751.75636.qmail@web42104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --0-831482037-1159304871=:72296 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Before class today (Sep. 26), my wife informed me that we were running low on food at our house. We are planning to go out of town this weekend so it makes no sense to go grocery shopping for food we won't even be here to eat for this weekend. Long story short, I decided that I would pick up a five buck pizza on the way home from school today for my wife and I to have for lunch. I remember being so hungry during class and getting anxious to pick up the pizza once it was over. However, the material that we went over today (Human Factors) was very interesting to me. As I left class I could not stop thinking about my own experiences where I have made a human error consisting of slips, lapses, or mode errors. Just this morning, I printed out our classes lecture notes but on my way to school I could not remember if I put them in my bag (luckily I did). This is an example of a lapse. By the time I arrived home from school I had thought of many instances where I had experienced human errors such as these. I then remembered; I forgot the pizza!! My drive home is so routine and specifically scheduled that going to pick up a pizza after school meant altering this routine thus resulting in a slip. It was a little ironic to me being that I committed a slip while I was thinking about them! -Ben Divine --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. --0-831482037-1159304871=:72296 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Before class today (Sep. 26), my wife informed me that we were running low on food at our house.  We are planning to go out of town this weekend so it makes no sense to go grocery shopping for food we won't even be here to eat for this weekend.  Long story short, I decided that I would pick up a five buck pizza on the way home from school today for my wife and I to have for lunch.  I remember being so hungry during class and getting anxious to pick up the pizza once it was over.  However, the material that we went over today (Human Factors) was very interesting to me.  As I left class I could not stop thinking about my own experiences where I have made a human error consisting of slips, lapses, or mode errors.  Just this morning, I printed out our classes lecture notes but on my way to school I could not remember if I put them in my bag (luckily I did).  This is an example of a lapse.  By the time I arrived home from school I had thought of many instances where I had experienced human errors such as these.  I then remembered; I forgot the pizza!! My drive home is so routine and specifically scheduled that going to pick up a pizza after school meant altering this routine thus resulting in a slip.  It was a little ironic to me being that I committed a slip while I was thinking about them!
-Ben Divine

Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. --0-831482037-1159304871=:72296-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Tue Sep 26 22:37:20 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Kevin Mangum) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:37:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] "ErgoForms" Message-ID: <20060926213720.36338.qmail@web52613.mail.yahoo.com> --0-404529796-1159306640=:36335 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-663852908-1159306640=:36335" --0-663852908-1159306640=:36335 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit If any of you are interested in CAD , then you can use ergoforms. There are thousands of these life size drawings that you can put right on your CAD drawing. They say this is a new Human Factors design. Psychologists designed these drawings so that people can utilize CAD programs more effeiciently! They have drawings that are pre-drawn of any situation in life, whether that be an infant or an adult, an athlete or a quadriplegic, from a super model to a garabge man. So if you're invovled in CAD drawings, you might want to google Ergoforms. I have attached a picture for some examples Kevin Mangum --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. --0-663852908-1159306640=:36335 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit If any of you are interested in CAD , then  you can  use  ergoforms. There  are thousands of these life size drawings that you can put right on your CAD drawing. They say this is a new Human Factors design. Psychologists designed these drawings so that people can utilize CAD programs more effeiciently! They have drawings that are pre-drawn of any situation in life, whether that be an infant or an adult, an athlete or a quadriplegic, from a super model to a garabge man. So if you're invovled in CAD drawings, you might want to google Ergoforms. I have attached a picture for some examples

Kevin Mangum 

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Message-ID: <20060926223014.95646.qmail@web50305.mail.yahoo.com> Today's discussion on slips, lapses, and mode errors was interesting and while most of us were laughing at some of journal entries under mode errors I was thinking and wondering how many accidents and deaths have occurred due to mode errors especially after reading about how the gentleman who on saturdays rode his bike through a park and then one day was in his car because his bike had a flat tire. Another incident that got me to wondering about mode errors and accidents was one that occurred to a pilot that I knew while in the military. The pilot was flying a dual engine helicopter when one of the engines flamed out and while responding to the emergency situation he shut off the good engine which meant that the helicopter had no engine power and sent the helicopter into the body of water that they were flying over killing all of the flight crew. It seems to me that the most dangerous of these errors to hinder you would be the mode error. Alan Richmond __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Wed Sep 27 06:59:01 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Darin Mano) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:59:01 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Slips and Lapses Message-ID: <3b4d82fa0609262259k64ef6762v34d719aad4cab4d3@mail.gmail.com> I really thought that our class was interesting today. I have so many experiences where I have slips and lapses. I often have slips when I am coming home from school. I usually ride the buss to school. I live close enough to the bus that I can walk to the buss stop. However, if I am running late I will sometimes drive to the buss stop to save time. The problem is that I usually forget that I have driven to the buss stop that day and walk home. It is bad because I often get worried thinking that my car has been stolen. It is even worse when I drive myself all the way to school and forget that I have driven and ride the buss all the way home before I realize that I left my car at school. Another thing that happened to me a lot beforewas when I was driving to the Airport. I used to work for UPS at the back side of the airport. I has to take the I-215 exit from I-80 to get to work. The problem was that from where I got on I-80 to where I got off was a very short distance. I had to try really hard to make the turn. This became so second nature to me that when I would drive to the airport to take a flight, I would make all this effort to make the I-215 offramp and then realize that I was supposed to continue on I-80 to get to the terminals. There are also times when I experience Lapses and Mode errors. For example I usually have to make a big check mark on the assigned readings for my classes because I never remember if I have read them or not. Sometimes I will start reading something and be three or more pages into it before I reallize that I have already finished reading it before. I also am slightly OCD and I usually check to see if the doors are locked etc. However, I think that the error that I experience the most is the Slips. -- Darin M. Mano From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Wed Sep 27 17:36:39 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Aubrey Wilkinson) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:36:39 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Anesthesiology In-Reply-To: <200609270602.k8R61Vkq013537@topo.csbs.utah.edu> Message-ID:

I used to work at a place called Intermountain Donor Services, who are responsible for all the organ donations/recoveries for the state of Utah. One time I had the opportunity to actually go watch an organ recovery from a 17 year-old boy who had been killed (brain-dead) in a car accident. He ended up saving five people's lives, so that part was awesome. But initially, it was the grossest thing I have ever seen in my life and I wasn't sure I had the stomach for it. After being there for 7 hours, however, I got used to it. It was extremely interesting to watch them basically pull all of his organs out and to see everything from the pictures in Biology in real life. For a good part of the surgery, I stood up at the head of the patient, next to the anesthesiologist. At the time, due to my ignorance, I remember thinking that it was kind of odd that they'd have somebody there who was responsible for putting the patient to sleep when he was already dead. The lecture on Tuesday, however, was enlightening in that I realized how much more complex an anesthesiologist's job really is. I didn't know the guy was responsible for keeping the patient stable, to keep his life support going and his heart beating, along with an extensive list of other complexities. Now that I see how much pressure anesthesiologists are under, I think I've pretty much narrowed that off my list of possible career options!

From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Thu Sep 28 22:08:18 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:08:18 -0500 Subject: [Psych3120] Reason's human error classification (Romney Stevens) Message-ID: <20060928160818.tbq22snxajosk0g4@wm.integrity.com> I found the lecture on Reason's human error classification interesting. I think it was fun for a lot of people because we can all relate to making those different types of errors. One thing that was a little hard for me to understand was that some errors seem like they could be more than one classification. For instance, one example that was used to illustrate a slip was someone spacing it and driving home when they meant to drive somewhere else. Although this does illustrate how automatic functioning took over, it also seems like a mode error since it was the right action but it was in the wrong context. I don't know if I was the only one who was confused by that or not, but it seems pretty hard to tell the different examples he gave apart. From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Fri Sep 29 03:07:05 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Ryan Boldrin) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:07:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] What if? Message-ID: <20060929020705.64866.qmail@web53615.mail.yahoo.com> Okay. The evidence is irrefutable. Cell phone use and driving don't mix. Drinking and driving don't mix. Drinking and driving laws have been around as long as cars. I sit in class with a dozen ADHD idiots who can't go five minutes without texting someone (you know who you are, and YOU tickety tick tickety tick tic tickety SUCK). So how can we as a country/society regulate this when every child and dog has a cell phone to play with? People still drive drunk (they suck too), and laws are on the books. What should we do to make the roads safer for us all? How about Jammers? When the car is in motion the jammer comes on and Oopsy, No signal bars for you scooter! That might work. I am being sarcastic of course. But really. besides eduacation and pressure to avoid driving while blah blah blahing, What is the solution? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Fri Sep 29 06:39:05 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Paul Rudd) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 22:39:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Those darn slips!!! In-Reply-To: <200609270602.k8R61Vkq013537@topo.csbs.utah.edu> Message-ID: <20060929053905.18623.qmail@web34812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Slips, lapses, and mode errors seem to be a very common occurrences in people's lives. In my job I rely heavily on routine. As long as I stick to my same routine then I can get things done very effectively. But as soon as I change my routine, things go from bad to worse! My day can be going along just fine until I (unknowingly) change things up, then I can't seem to remember my own name. Slips, lapses, and mode errors have never been a very big nuisance for me, but after reading some of the other students postings, I know they can be deadly. I like my daily routines and unless I feel like spicing things up a bit I will continue with them. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Fri Sep 29 22:08:30 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Keith Radley) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:08:30 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Slips, lapses and mode errors Message-ID: --_2851b376-e067-4f61-a0e8-e8904177b6d7_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When we talked about slips, lapses and mode errors, I recognized that I com= mit some of these from time to time, but I didn't think that it would be a = very common occurrence. But since the lecture, I have become more aware of= lots of the things that I do automatically or mistakenly. A prime example= of a slip happened this morning when I rolled out of bed. I went straight= to shower and then to eat breakfast, as I normally do. As I was eating, I= looked the window and noticed it looked darker than usual. When I checked= the time, it was only 3 o'clock-my first class begins at 9. I have such a= routine in the morning that I didn't even check the time when I woke up. = Instead, I proceeded to get ready for the day. I guess that slips, lapses = and mode errors may be more common than I thought at first! _________________________________________________________________ Share your special moments by uploading 500 photos per month to Windows Liv= e Spaces=20 http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=3Dhttp://= www.get.live.com/spaces/features= --_2851b376-e067-4f61-a0e8-e8904177b6d7_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= When we talked about slips, lapses and mode errors, I recognized that= I commit some of these from time to time, but I didn't think that it would= be a very common occurrence.  But since the lecture, I have bec= ome more aware of lots of the things that I do automatically or mistakenly.=   A prime example of a slip happened this morning when I rolled out of= bed.  I went straight to shower and then to eat breakfast, as I norma= lly do.  As I was eating, I looked the window and noticed it looked da= rker than usual.  When I checked the time, it was only 3 o'clock-my fi= rst class begins at 9.  I have such a routine in the morning tha= t I didn't even check the time when I woke up.  Instead, I proceeded t= o get ready for the day.  I guess that slips, lapses and mode errors m= ay be more common than I thought at first!
Share y= our special moments by uploading 500 photos per month to Windows Live Space= s Share it!<= /a>=0A= = --_2851b376-e067-4f61-a0e8-e8904177b6d7_-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Fri Sep 29 22:33:03 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Katie) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:33:03 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Stroop Tests Message-ID: <4E9A09E16264024C80C968D5CFCCB7AB017F9E@xeoni.digitalbreakdown.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6E40E.D81B1E2E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I missed last week but wanted to share my experiences with Stroop tests. = Some of you might be familiar with Stroop tests, as I am, because of = Nintendo's "Brain Age" game. I wanted to recommend it because it's fun = and supposed to be good for exercising the brain, and it relates to this = class. The game provides tests to calculate your current "brain age" and = provides math, logic and reading skills building exercises to improve = cognitive functioning. The game is based on the work of Dr. Ryuta = Kawashima, a prominent Japanese neuroscientist. It includes the Stroop test with the words of colors shown in different = colors. No matter how many times I do it, it's so difficult to train the = mind to separate the word and the color of the word. I can almost feel = my brain stopping and having to think about it. The only way I've found = to increase the score on this test is to not look directly at the word, = so I am not distracted by what the letters spell out, I just see the = color of the letters and can speak it faster because my brain only has = to do process the one thing instead of both. =20 =20 Katie Johnson ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6E40E.D81B1E2E Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A=
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I missed last week but wanted to share my = experiences with Stroop tests. Some of you might be familiar with Stroop = tests, as I am, because of Nintendo's "Brain Age" game. I wanted to = recommend it because it's fun and supposed to be good for exercising the = brain, and it relates to this class. The game provides tests to = calculate your current "brain age" and provides math, logic and reading = skills building exercises to improve cognitive functioning. The game is = based on the work of Dr. Ryuta Kawashima, a prominent Japanese = neuroscientist.
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It includes the Stroop test with the words of colors = shown in different colors. No matter how many times I do it, it's so = difficult to train the mind to separate the word and the color of the = word. I can almost feel my brain stopping and having to think about it. = The only way I've found to increase the score on this test is to not = look directly at the word, so I am not distracted by what the letters = spell out, I just see the color of the letters and can speak it faster = because my brain only has to do process the one thing instead of both. =  
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C6E40E.D81B1E2E-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Fri Sep 29 22:37:07 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Katie) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:37:07 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Honda making cars that can "see" Message-ID: <4E9A09E16264024C80C968D5CFCCB7AB017F9F@xeoni.digitalbreakdown.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6E40F.69D47914 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I came across this article today and thought it was appropriate to share = with the class. I thought it was interesting, and I remembered in the = textbook the author mentioned how some things could never be done by = computers, and one of those things was drive, because they could never = be able to "see" and process like people can. It's pretty amazing what = they can do though: Katie Johnson =20 =20 Honda wants to give its cars depth perception. The automotive giant has = quietly put $5 million over three years into Canesta, which specializes = in chips that help computers make sense out of 3D spaces. The company's = best known product is a virtual keyboard: Users plunk down their fingers = on the laser light images resembling a keyboard and their finger = movements are translated to keystrokes.=20 Honda believes Canesta's chips could help drivers know how close they = are to other parked cars, pedestrians, and get other similar, useful = information. Automakers are also examining ultrasonics (sound waves) or = stereoscopic technologies to give drivers better information about their = surroundings.=20 "It provides a comparatively low-cost chip-based 3D 'camera' that could = serve multiple applications from a single installation," said Toshinori = Arita, head of venture arm Honda Strategic Venturing, in a prepared = statement.=20 Conceivably, the chips could be integrated into the body of a car or the = cockpit. Honda is still in the testing and design phase, although it has = pinpointed car models that it will try to put the technology into, said = Canesta president Jim Spare.=20 "We're initially focused on the slower speed applications," he said. = "Things like occupancy sensing for air bag deployments."=20 Canesta's product consists of a light source, a pattern projector and a = sensor. The light and pattern projector sends out a continuous rain of = beams of light. When the signals bounce back, they hit the sensor, which = creates a 3D image from the timing of the reflected signals and send it = to the processor.=20 "The key innovation is that we don't have to do any processing of the = data (on a microprocessor) to create a 3D image. The sensor calculates = the distances," Spare said. "The microprocessor is used only for = application processing. Is this a pedestrian or a tree?"=20 When something moves into a region patrolled by the chip, the signals = bounce back at a different pace, and the 3D image is changed. Software = translates the mass of data into information or an image that humans can = understand.=20 Automakers have been dedicating more time and research into safety. Some = of the ideas being explored include putting devices or systems in the = car that would warn drivers of objects in the road or prevent the car = from switching lanes when a speeding car is in the driver's blind spot.=20 Herman Casier, a researcher from Belgium's AMI Semiconductor speculated = at a chip conference last year that by 2040, cars will drive on = auto-pilot.=20 Spare added that Canesta has licensed its keyboard technology to a South = Korean company who is looking for partners to develop it commercially.=20 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6E40F.69D47914 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A=
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I came across this article today and thought it was = appropriate to share with the class. I thought it was interesting, and I = remembered in the textbook the author mentioned how some things = could never be done by computers, and one of those things was drive, = because they could never be able to "see" and process like people can. = It's pretty amazing what they can do though:
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Honda wants to give its cars depth perception. The = automotive giant has quietly put $5 million over three years into = Canesta, which specializes in chips that help computers make sense out = of 3D spaces. The company's best known product is a virtual keyboard: = Users plunk down their fingers on the laser light images resembling a = keyboard and their finger movements are translated to keystrokes.
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Canesta's product consists of a light source, a = pattern projector and a sensor. The light and pattern projector sends = out a continuous rain of beams of light. When the signals bounce back, = they hit the sensor, which creates a 3D image from the timing of the = reflected signals and send it to the processor.
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When something moves into a region patrolled by the = chip, the signals bounce back at a different pace, and the 3D image is = changed. Software translates the mass of data into information or an = image that humans can understand.
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Automakers have been dedicating more time and = research into safety. Some of the ideas being explored include putting = devices or systems in the car that would warn drivers of objects in the = road or prevent the car from switching lanes when a speeding car is in = the driver's blind spot.
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Herman Casier, a researcher from Belgium's AMI = Semiconductor speculated at a chip conference last year that by 2040, = cars will drive on auto-pilot.
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C6E40F.69D47914-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Fri Sep 29 23:54:14 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Emily Slager) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:54:14 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Message for the Board Message-ID: <759c1ffd0609291554g43378bcag2c2b94bdc1d8fea0@mail.gmail.com> ------=_Part_40302_12626335.1159570454814 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I agree with the Resource Model. I think there are a few activities that can be done together. For instance, I could easily study with orquestra music on. And I can chew gum and type (like I'm doing right now). And even some more complex things like sing and vacuum. But until our lecture last week, I was convinced that I could do something as "dual task demanding" as talk on a cell phone and ______. Fill in the blank. Drive, walk, read, clean the house. But I completely realize that a cell phone conversation takes up a lot of my brain's energy. I stall while cleaning, I make the wrong turns while driving, and I don't notice anyone around me when I walk... if I'm on a cell phone. Another thing I learned: I did the Pedestrian and Cellphones Experiment. And I walked much slower when I was on a cell phone! By about 25% . I was amazed! Emily ------=_Part_40302_12626335.1159570454814 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I agree with the Resource Model.  I think there are a few activities that can be done together.  For instance, I could easily study with orquestra music on.  And I can chew gum and type (like I'm doing right now).  And even some more complex things like sing and vacuum.  But until our lecture last week, I was convinced that I could do something as "dual task demanding" as talk on a cell phone and ______. Fill in the blank.  Drive, walk, read, clean the house.  But I completely realize that a cell phone conversation takes up a lot of my brain's energy.  I stall while cleaning, I make the wrong turns while driving, and I don't notice anyone around me when I walk... if I'm on a cell phone.  Another thing I learned:  I did the Pedestrian and Cellphones Experiment.  And I walked much slower when I was on a cell phone!  By about 25% .  I was amazed!
           Emily
------=_Part_40302_12626335.1159570454814-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sat Sep 30 02:35:43 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (JESSE SITTERUD) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 19:35:43 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Anesthesiology Message-ID: Just a thought, at one point I was seriously considering going into anesthesiology. But after what was covered on the topic of anesthesiology in class this past week I'm now reminded why I chose to move in a different direction. Just hearing those statistics of the often occuring unexpected incidences, and the number of fatalities that have resulted in just one year really showed me the stress and pressure that I would have been facing. I mean, 1 fatality every 5 minutes from these unexpected errors says it all! _________________________________________________________________ Search—Your way, your world, right now! http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/searchlaunch/?locale=en-us&FORM=WLMTAG From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sat Sep 30 05:30:25 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Sabreena Khan) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:30:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] intattentional blindness in action! Message-ID: <20060930043025.88433.qmail@web55413.mail.re4.yahoo.com> oh man. so i was sitting on the stoop, smoking a cigarette. i was staring at a van parked across the street, in front of a neighbor's house. i noticed that on the van, the company name "pond's" was on it; it was parked in the opposite of the 'proper direction' a car should park, if a car were to park across the street. i saw it. i looked at it. i took notice of it, and stored it away in my cute little brain. i guess i kind of dazed off--was sort of looking 'through' the house and its yard. when i 'came to', i noticed that the van was just pulling in--in the proper direction. I NEVER SAW IT LEAVE. it was so bizarre. i was so taken back by the fact that i was staring RIGHT AT THE SCENE, and didn't even notice the van pulling away, turning around, and proceeding to pull forward in the proper manner. weird. sabreena khan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sat Sep 30 19:53:23 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Chad C Moffitt) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 12:53:23 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] alcoholism and lapses Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6E4C1.B49B11A8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi ya'll. My 30 year old cousin has been drinking alcohol since he was = 14, and now is a full-blown alcoholic. being around him is always = interesting. When sober, he has difficulty remembering different parts = of his day. Its as if huge sections of his memory have been removed. = Learning about lapses in class reminded me of times being with him when = he couldn't remember what happened. One time we went to the store to = buy some groceries. Shortly after returning home, he had no idea what = we had just bought and could not even remember talking with the cashier. = Another time we were helping a family member do some yard work. He and = some other family members were trimming some hedges in the back yard. = Come to find out later, he had trimmed the same hedge twice, not = remembering trimming it the first time! Although these experiences are = somewhat amusing, they also reveal a serious problem that he must deal = with everyday. His alcoholism has oviously impared his abiltiy to store = short term working memory. I wonder now if this is permanently impared, = or if he were to quit drinking, would he be able to regain this abiltiy. = =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6E4C1.B49B11A8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A=
Hi ya'll.  My 30 = year old cousin has been drinking alcohol since he was 14, and now is a = full-blown alcoholic.  being around him is always = interesting.  When sober, he has difficulty remembering different = parts of his day.  Its as if huge sections of his memory have been = removed.  Learning about lapses in class reminded me of times being = with him when he couldn't remember what happened.  One time we went = to the store to buy some groceries.  Shortly after returning home, = he had no idea what we had just bought and could not even = remember talking with the cashier.  Another time we were = helping a family member do some yard work.  He and some other = family members were trimming some hedges in the back = yard.  Come to find out later, he had trimmed the same hedge = twice, not remembering trimming it the first time!  Although these = experiences are somewhat amusing, they also reveal a serious problem = that he must deal with everyday.  His alcoholism has = oviously impared his abiltiy to store short term working = memory.  I wonder now if this is permanently impared, or if he = were to quit drinking, would he be able to regain this = abiltiy.  
------_=_NextPart_001_01C6E4C1.B49B11A8-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sat Sep 30 20:21:38 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Lexi Breeze) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 13:21:38 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: Hey! I just wanted to put my ideas out there about the discussion and lecture regarding talking on your cell phone and driving. First of all, I do not agree AT ALL that it isn't just as distracting to have a friend in the car with you carrying on a conversation. In the experiment, the passenger (correct me if I'm wrong) was there for the instructions that they needed to get off at the rest stop. They knew what the task was that needed to be completed, they could have been doing a little reactivity and saying that the exit was there because they knew they were being studied and getting off at the rest stop was part of it. Usually, passengers riding with you in your car, if they even know where you're going and how to get there, wouldn't be looking out for where you need to go that much. I think they may be more able to help your reaction time if you need to slam on your brakes, but it's the conversation that distracts people. Second, I also don't agree that your reactivity is better when you're drunk that when you're on your phone. The subjects were drunk and being tested on their driving skills, of course they're going to shape up and try to pay attention. In the real world, they're out being reckless, speeding, following too close, etc. People know talking on the phone and driving is dangerous, hence the bigger following distance and slower speeds. I do agree that there isn't a difference between hands free and holding your phone, other than when you're driving a stick. And I do agree that it is very dangerous, but I think reactivity had a whole lot to do with the findings in this study. Thanks! _________________________________________________________________ Find a local pizza place, music store, museum and more…then map the best route! http://local.live.com From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Fri Sep 1 04:15:05 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Jennie Ruff) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:15:05 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Atmospheric Perspective Message-ID: Hello all, my name is Jennie. I was absolutely fascinated by question 8 in chapter three of our book. While driving around the valley here, which is where I've lived most of my life, I've sometimes noticed that the trees and foliage on the mountains, and sometimes the mountains themselves, look like tiny little models of real trees seen up close. Question 8 deals with just such a situation and I thought it was interesting to finally know that I'm not insanely fanciful and that this effect probably had something to do with atmospheric perspective. I'm curious about two things; one, has anyone else ever noticed this particular effect and two, from the readings and class discussions, can anyone else think of another reason for this visual effect? Other than that we might be living in a scale model built by giants ;) From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Fri Sep 1 04:27:09 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Kim Endersen) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:27:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] More crazy facts about the eye Message-ID: <20060901032709.35736.qmail@web35303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --0-1293599733-1157081229=:35417 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm an optician in an optometrist's office, so the lecture the other day on how the eyes work was really interesting to me. I just wanted to add a couple other interesting things and a really gross story. First, one of the most interesting methods of vision correction is called monovision. Monovision is where a patient wears two different strength contact lenses; one for distance, for for near vision. This is for presbyopes who don't want to wear bifocals. (presbyopia means literally "old eyes' in latin). One would think that wearing one contact for near and one for distance would make the patient sick, and for some it does, but our office has a really high success rate. Basically, when a patient looks at an object 10 feet away, say a chair, the right eye (which is usually for distance) sees the chair clearly and sends the information onto the brain to process. The left eye (which is usually for near vision) sees the chair as blurry and sends that information along the optic nerve to be processed in the brain. As we learned today, the brain likes to make sense of everything it sees and will disregard or pay less attention to things that don't quite fit. Well, when the blurry and distorted image from the left eye reaches the brain, the brain pretty much disregards it and selects to pay attention to the information coming in from the right eye, which shows the chair clearly, which fits with the brain's idea of what a chair should look like. This is the best way I can think to explain it. Our professor probably has more insight into this. Secondly, we discussed myopia and hyperopia, or far and nearsightedness. Astigmatism is also a common problem we see. In astigmatism, the light passing through the cornea is split into to points of focus. For those with myopic astigmatism (or nearsightedness w/astigmatism), the light refracted by the cornea splits into two points that fall just before the retina. For those with hyperopic astigmatism (or farsightedness w/astigmatism) the light refracted by the cornea lands in two points just beyond the retina. This is probably more info than was needed, but as it's my job, I think it is very interesting and thougth I'd share some of it. The next story is kind of icky and totally unrelated. About 2 weeks a patient came in claiming that they couldn't get their contact out of their eye and that their eye hurt really bad. The patient's eye was bright red. We sent to her in to see the doctor, and about 5 minutes later, he called for me. I went in, and he had me administer some drops to the patient. I found out after the patient had left that there had been no contact in the patient's eye at all. The patient, thinking they had a contact in their eye, had actually pulled off part of her cornea! --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. --0-1293599733-1157081229=:35417 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I'm an optician in an optometrist's office, so the lecture the other day on how the eyes work was really interesting to me.  I just wanted to add a couple other interesting things and a really gross story.  First, one of the most interesting methods of vision correction is called monovision.  Monovision is where a patient wears two different strength contact lenses; one for distance, for for near vision.  This is for presbyopes who don't want to wear bifocals. (presbyopia means literally "old eyes' in latin).  One would think that wearing one contact for near and one for distance would make the patient sick, and for some it does, but our office has a really high success rate.  Basically, when a patient looks at an object 10 feet away, say a chair, the right eye (which is usually for distance) sees the chair clearly and sends the information onto the brain to process.  The left eye (which is usually for near vision) sees the chair as blurry and sends that information along the optic nerve to be processed in the brain.  As we learned today, the brain likes to make sense of everything it sees and will disregard or pay less attention to things that don't quite fit.  Well, when the blurry and distorted image from the left eye reaches the brain, the brain pretty much disregards it and selects to pay attention to the information coming in from the right eye, which shows the chair clearly, which fits with the brain's idea of what a chair should look like.  This is the best way I can think to explain it.  Our professor probably has more insight into this.  Secondly, we discussed myopia and hyperopia, or far and nearsightedness.  Astigmatism is also a common problem we see.  In astigmatism, the light passing through the cornea is split into to points of focus.  For those with myopic astigmatism (or nearsightedness w/astigmatism), the light refracted by the cornea splits into two points that fall just before the retina.  For those with hyperopic astigmatism (or farsightedness w/astigmatism) the light refracted by the cornea lands in two points just beyond the retina.  This is probably more info than was needed, but as it's my job, I think it is very interesting and thougth I'd share some of it.
 
The next story is kind of icky and totally unrelated.
About 2 weeks a patient came in claiming that they couldn't get their contact out of their eye and that their eye hurt really bad.  The patient's eye was bright red.  We sent to her in to see the doctor, and about 5 minutes later, he called for me.  I went in, and he had me administer some drops to the patient.  I found out after the patient had left that there had been no contact in the patient's eye at all.  The patient, thinking they had a contact in their eye, had actually pulled off part of her cornea!

Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. --0-1293599733-1157081229=:35417-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Fri Sep 1 22:36:24 2006 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Katie) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 15:36:24 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: <4E9A09E16264024C80C968D5CFCCB7AB017F7A@xeoni.digitalbreakdown.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6CE0E.AC7C0BF4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just wanted to say in my first post to this board, how much I am = looking forward to this class. I have gone home each night after class and told my husband about = everything we learned in lecture, and what I've read in the text. It's absolutely amazing how = complex our minds and the=20 sensory systems are. It's something that I know I take for granted: how = perfectly everything works together in this incredible highly functioning system. I've been taking = time out to really notice things in my surroundings and trying to break down the processing of the = bits of information. I am excited to continue this section on attention and perception. =20 Katie Johnson =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6CE0E.AC7C0BF4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A=
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