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From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Wed Oct 1 04:17:19 2008 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Jane Lloyd) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:17:19 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Selectivity and the LSAT Message-ID: --_c76e698b-6ddd-4ae3-b005-651f7af7cbb3_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I liked learning about selective attention today. I have the LSAT this Satu= rday and=2C because it is all-consuming at the moment=2C I was thinking abo= ut how selective attention applies to the questions. Basically=2C everythin= g you need to answer any question on the LSAT is given in the wording of th= e question. There are three different types of questions=2C all of which re= quire you to filter out irrelevant information and produce the most relevan= t answer. It's challenging at first because you really have to retrain your= self how to look at the questions=2C and parse out what you'll need for lat= er. Apparently=2C the test is supposed to help us prepare for the rigors of= law school=2C but I think more than anything it's helping me learn how to = focus my attention=2C and sift through information to find the important pa= rts. If nothing else=2C I've learned how to block out unnecessary noise whi= le I'm studying.=20 _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together=97at home=2C work=2C or on= the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/= --_c76e698b-6ddd-4ae3-b005-651f7af7cbb3_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I liked learning about selective attention today. I have the LSAT this Satu= rday and=2C because it is all-consuming at the moment=2C I was thinking abo= ut how selective attention applies to the questions. Basically=2C everythin= g you need to answer any question on the LSAT is given in the wording of th= e question. There are three different types of questions=2C all of which re= quire you to filter out irrelevant information and produce the most relevan= t answer. It's challenging at first because you really have to retrain your= self how to look at the questions=2C and parse out what you'll need for lat= er. Apparently=2C the test is supposed to help us prepare for the rigors of= law school=2C but I think more than anything it's helping me learn how to = focus my attention=2C and sift through information to find the important pa= rts. If nothing else=2C I've learned how to block out unnecessary noise whi= le I'm studying.

See how Windows Mobile brings your life to= gether=97at home=2C work=2C or on the go. See Now = --_c76e698b-6ddd-4ae3-b005-651f7af7cbb3_-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Wed Oct 1 17:12:27 2008 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (clint adams) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:12:27 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] selective attention In-Reply-To: <200809302123.m8ULNBqV006795@topo.csbs.utah.edu> References: <200809302123.m8ULNBqV006795@topo.csbs.utah.edu> Message-ID: --_e867d516-d4cf-4b87-acde-69da25a07fed_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Attention is something I've really been interested in. Talking with differe= nt people it seems=20 attention problems are a concern for a lot of people=2C but I think it's a = result of our fast passed world. The constant bombardment of stimulus=2C and stimulus overload was an= interesting=20 lecture. And it seems our society is suffering from stimulus overload all t= he time from TV=2C constant access to phones=2C and music. Also=2C attenuation theory was=20 very interesting=2C and makes a lot of sense over filter theory. Especially= when your mind can pick out=20 a name=2C or something familiar in a busy loud room full of distractions. = =20 > Date: Tue=2C 30 Sep 2008 15:23:11 -0600 > From: psych3120-request@lists.csbs.utah.edu > Subject: Psych3120 digest=2C Vol 1 #1243 - 4 msgs > To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >=20 > Send Psych3120 mailing list submissions to > psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >=20 > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web=2C visit > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > or=2C via email=2C send a message with subject or body 'help' to > psych3120-request@lists.csbs.utah.edu >=20 > You can reach the person managing the list at > psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu >=20 > When replying=2C please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Psych3120 digest..." >=20 >=20 > Today's Topics: >=20 > 1. RE: Attention and Studying (NATHAN WILLIAM VAN RIJ) > 2. RE: Test Review (Deus=2C Rachelle) > 3. Week 5 Post (Ultimate Film Fan) > 4. Re: Apperceptive agnosia (Jon Hall) >=20 > --__--__-- >=20 > Message: 1 > Subject: RE: [Psych3120] Attention and Studying > Date: Tue=2C 30 Sep 2008 12:39:27 -0600 > From: "NATHAN WILLIAM VAN RIJ" > To: > Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >=20 > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >=20 > ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C9232C.50447369 > Content-Type: text/plain=3B > charset=3D"iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >=20 >=20 > I've found that experience the same effect when studying. If I try to go = =3D > for longer than 30 min or so I will easily get distracted and find it =3D > more difficult to retain what it is that I am studying. Sometimes simply = =3D > changing what I am studying will help me. After 20-30 of studying on =3D > subject I'll switch to studying another completely different subject. = =3D > =3D20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu on behalf of Richard Eric =3D > Shelton > Sent: Sat 9/27/2008 7:03 PM > To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > Subject: [Psych3120] Attention and Studying > =3D20 >=20 > Here are some thoughts about our upcoming discussion on attention this = =3D > week. Chapter 4 in the textbook brings up the discussion of how our =3D > attention capabilities are limited. We can only focus on so many things = =3D > at once and only for so long. This reminded me of something that I had = =3D > learned in another psychology class=2C Human Performance and Engineering.= =3D > In the class we learned that our attention level (sometimes referred to = =3D > as vigilance) begins to sharply decline between 20 and 30 minutes. 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I don't know if Dr. Strayer or Ann mentioned when we would > receive them back or not=2C but I apparently did not hear either way=2C s= o > if any of you know when we get them back=2C please let me know...thanks > everyone! >=20 > =3D >=20 >=20 > =3D >=20 >=20 > Rachelle Park >=20 > =3D >=20 >=20 > ________________________________ >=20 > From: psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu > [mailto:psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu] On Behalf Of Aaron Norton > Sent: Saturday=2C September 27=2C 2008 11:12 PM > To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > Subject: [Psych3120] Test Review >=20 > =3D >=20 >=20 > I hope everyone did well in this first test. I have so far really > enjoyed this course. It is very different from many of the other > psychology courses I have taken. I just wanted to put in my two cents > about the test review. I thought it was excellent in help preparing for > the test and was a lot of fun. 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>=20 > > --0-357459253-1222725869=3D:91952-- >=20 > --__--__-- >=20 > Message: 4 > Date: Mon=2C 29 Sep 2008 17:28:19 -0600 > From: "Jon Hall" > To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Apperceptive agnosia > Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >=20 > ------=3D_Part_40476_1160913.1222730899643 > Content-Type: text/plain=3B charset=3DISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Disposition: inline >=20 > Justin=2C >=20 > I think we agree on quite a bit=2C but I will touch on what I percei= ve as > disagreement and perhaps better clarify my position. To start with=2C I = think > everything I said was relevant to Steve's question=2C which I read as > curiosity as to what it would be like to be an apperceptive agnosic (I ma= y > have made up that word) and whether they would choose to see at all. My > whole post basically responded under the assumption that neuropsychology = is > insufficient to answer the question=2C due to some of the "limitations" (= Not > to argue semantics=2C but it seems we agree on what neuropsychology can a= nd > can't do=2C so whether you call it flaws or limitations=2C its really the= same > to me. To me=2C in this context=2C flaws are synonymous with limitations= . > Since it doesn't really matter though=2C I won't spend any longer defendi= ng my > choice of words). > As far as the limit of what we know about the brain=2C I would hope > Doctors Kesner=2C Watson=2C and Dreyers would all agree with my statement= that > we are very much tapping the surface of what it is to know. This is the > same in really any field of science. There is a great amount to be known= =2C > and even physics is finding that the more they discover=2C the more quest= ions > (and billion dollar particle accelerators needed) they discover. The stu= dy > of the brain is very young=2C and we understand relatively little about > cellular biology compared to what there is to know=2C so by default=2C we > understand even less about neurobiology. You may put it a "better" way f= or > optimistic reasons=2C but I do not consider my position as one of pessimi= sm=2C > but rather one of scientific understanding. I would be a rather bad > "scientist to be" if I thought for a moment I understood even a drop of w= hat > "there is to know". Again=2C I think we agree on the details=2C but just= differ > on what we call it. > Regarding rTMS=2C it is still being worked on quite extensively=2C a= nd as > the International Federation of Clinicial Neurophysiology puts it in a > brochure "[the] therapeutic potential of rTMS is still being studied and > should not be considered proven." ( > http://www1.elsevier.com/homepage/sah/ifcn/doc/rtms-inf.htm). >=20 > So=2C perhaps in the future=2C rTMS could work out the connection vs= . > Origin problem=2C but at the time of my writing=2C this has not been don= e. TMS > can not be used in this way=2C and neither can fMRI (since fMRI is merely > correlational). So=2C as for today=2C the question still needs to be ans= wered. > The reason it is important to answer this (or why it matters) to me doesn= 't > really matter=2C its simply the fact that it hasn't been answered that > intrigues me. However=2C I would imagine that in the very near future=2C= we > will be able to repair connections=2C in various parts of the brain=2C we= ll > before we could replace a whole brain region (it would take me many pages= to > go into depth on this). >=20 > The last thing we disagree on=2C is when you claimed: > "each individual with a particular disorder communicates what his/her > abnormal perception" > To me=2C the last thing we want to do when answering what the function of= a > brain region is=2C is to ask the person that just had brain trauma. >=20 > Finally=2C as far as neuropsychology improving peoples lives=2C I wo= uld say > the short answer is that it certainly already does. My girlfriends fathe= r > had massive head trauma in a car accident=2C and she claims he has defini= tely > had major personality changes. His wife (my girlfriends mother) gives hi= m > an incredibly hard time about having little motivation to do things. If = we > all (her included) understood the structure and function of the brain as = it > relates to specific psychological processes and overt behaviors (the very > definition of neuropsychology) we could not only help in treatment=2C but= also > help in our understanding of all psychological behavior. Once you realiz= e > that all behavior is related to a physical organ in your body=2C and that > organ is subject to genes=2C environmental changes/trauma and other facto= rs=2C > it totally changes (at least it did mine) your whole outlook on things li= ke > free will=2C personality=2C conciousness and other very intriguing questi= ons=2C > that neuropsychology can answer. The study of the brain can begin to ans= wer > things that no other field of science can begin to touch=2C but that is > another discussion. >=20 > P.S. I would be hard pressed to approach any Dr. and tell them that their > knowledge is limited=2C especially about the brain=2C simply because it w= ould > not be my place to do so. However=2C I would hope that they agree with m= e=2C > that they indeed only begin to understand. They are just human after all= :) >=20 >=20 > On Sat=2C Sep 27=2C 2008 at 12:57 AM=2C Justin Potts wrote: >=20 > > Jon - > > > > I wouldn't want you to be a sad sad boy. =3D) Your reply to Steve's com= ment > > about apperceptive agnosia was probably more then he was expecting. You > > definitely said a mouthful=2C or a brainful I should say=2C of very per= tinent > > information. But I don't think Steve was talking about the incredible a= mount > > of solid information neuropsychology has provided or implied that he do= esn't > > realize the limits of neuropsychology (I wouldn't say flaws=2C scientis= ts are > > well aware of the limitations.) His questions were curiosities and > > definitely answerable with current knowledge=2C except him wanting to k= now > > first hand how a person with apperceptive agnosia sees the world exactl= y > > (without actually having it himself.) This=2C like you implied=2C would= depend > > on the person since all our brains are unique. > > > > Although=2C a relatively new technology called repetitive transcranial > > magnetic stimulation (rTMS) disrupts cognitive processing (called a "vi= rtual > > lesion") and actually "turns off" certain parts of the brain=3B it is > > non-invasive=2C painless=2C and used on humans. With this tool it might= be > > possible to temporarily experience "first hand" what it would be like t= o > > have apperceptive agnosia. How cool would that be? Or how disturbing I > > should say? > > > > With TMS=2C rTMS=2C and fMRI I can imagine it is possible to discern be= tween > > areas of the brain that are merely relay stations or "connections" and = the > > area that is the final synthesizer of information and endows perception= . But > > does it really matter if Broca's area is HQ for language comprehension = or > > just a connector to HQ? Both are equally important right? Knock one out= the > > other becomes superfluous. Unless the brain is better able to find repl= ace > > connections to HQ then to outright replace HQ. > > > > True peoples brains are organized uniquely but it's obvious that > > neuropsychological disorders exist (even though discovered by a handful= of > > case studies) because each individual with a particular disorder > > communicates what his/her abnormal perception is and compared with othe= rs > > with similiar abnormal perceptions enough similarities are present to c= reate > > a generalized category=3B even though their lesion may not be in the ex= act > > same places. It is assumed that although in different places each lesio= ned > > area has the same function. > > > > I definitely agree that just because a person is diagnosed with a > > disorder/disease=2C of any kind=2C does not mean that his/her experienc= e is > > identical to another with the exact same diagnosis. This is true of any > > diagnosis in or outside of psychology. However=2C enough similarities e= xist to > > group them together. That's what we do. We group=2C categorize=2C label= =2C relate=2C > > correlate=2C and segregate. For convenience and for practicality. Scien= ce is > > after generalizations. We can definitely say that certain areas of the = brain > > have certain functions=2C just because those areas are in varying place= s among > > humans doesn't mean this information isn't valuable or helpful. It can = give > > you the general or perhaps the averaged human brain. This is helpful in > > neurosurgery but they still directly stimulate areas of the brain=2C wh= ile in > > surgery=2C to determine the exact location of functions=2C so to not ex= cise > > them. Hypothetically there are innumerable amount of "disorders" that a > > person could have. > > > > All this has brought me to a question: what is the point of > > neuropsychology? Besides aiding in neurosurgery does any of this knowle= dge > > improve a human beings life? We diagnose=2C we understand or think we d= o=2C are > > intrigued=2C and can explain to an afflicted person *why* they are > > experiencing problems=2C which possibly may alleviate their stress to a > > degree. Such as Jonathan I.=2C the color-blind painter in oliver sacks > > article=2C was relieved when they could tell him that he wasn't sufferi= ng from > > hysteria (yet at the same time he wished it was.) But what else could t= hey > > do for him? What can we do for a person suffering from any of the agnos= ias=2C > > except study them? We've identified neurotransmitters that have been > > implicated in a wide variety of disorders=2C within and without psychol= ogy=2C > > and have formulated pharmacological interventions some of which success= ful > > and one could say have improved peoples life's. Although placebo's are = very > > close in effectiveness=2C which is somewhat disturbing. Is that what > > neuropsychology is all about? Helping the medical establishment to "cur= e" > > diseases? > > > > From what I understand its original intention was to tie abstract > > psychological concepts to brain structures=2C and in some manner making= them > > more concrete or "real". Lesions and what not are good for knowledge an= d > > understanding. What if we knew for absolute certain what every little c= hunk > > and piece of the brain did and how exactly it operated=2C processed=2C = and > > interacted with surrounding brain tissue? You could formulate medical > > interventions. For psychological purposes though it just solidifies con= cepts > > and processes=2C although eventually all these fields will combine=2C a= s is > > already happening - neuroscience is a hybrid science. Plasticity is ver= y > > interesting thing but it happens naturally without human intervention. > > Understanding how it works however might allow us to control it and ind= uce > > it when naturally it would not. All this knowledge is bound to pay off = on > > some level isn't it? Understanding is the key to action. Anyway=2C I'm = going > > way off here=2C I apologize. > > > > To wrap up my wordy reply I'd say we do have a lot of answers=2C or pot= ential > > answers. And I'd argue we understand quite a lot about neuropsychology = and > > especially neurobiology. Perhaps not very much relative to how much the= re IS > > to know but quite a lot in my opinion. Enough for whole classes to be t= aught > > on the subjects and for individuals to dedicate their entire lives to t= he > > study of. Ask Dr. Strayer=2C Dr. Watson=2C or Dr. Kesner about neurobio= logy or > > neuropsychology and they'd have volumes to say. How much we/they know i= s an > > opinion. But I'd be hard pressed to approach Dr. Strayer and say to him= =2C > > "you don't know very much about the brain." > > > > -Justin Potts > > > > P.S. I hope this reply hasn't inflamed you. Not my intention at all. I = hope > > you are a happy happy boy! > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu on behalf of Jon Hall > > Sent: Thu 9/25/2008 2:07 PM > > To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Apperceptive agnosia > > > > You need to realize the limits and incredible flaws of neuropsychology = in > > general. > > > > The first=2C is that many neuropsychological disorders are present in o= nly a > > handful of cases. For example=2C Roger W. Sperry (who won the noble pr= ize) > > did the famous studies on split brain patients=2C which led the the the= ory > > that different halves of the brain do different things. He had somethi= ng > > like only 6 cases (subjects)=2C all of them had their corpus callosum c= ut > > because they were suffering from hundreds of seisures a day. Not to me= ntion > > that in order to sever the corpus callosum=2C they LITERALLY had to pry= open > > the brain like prying two metal bars apart to reach it and cut it. How > > similar do you think their brains were to ours=2C before and after this= was > > done? Brains have an incredible variation from person to person=2C eve= n > > something like language is not always in the same side of the brain=2C = let > > alone the same spot. This goes along with what we were talking about > > plasticity. > > > > The second problem is the variation in leisons of humans. A lot of > > neuropsychological disorders are discovered by only a handful of case > > studies=2C and each of these people have a very different brain=2C and = a very > > different lesion. Its not even close to exact=2C because 1) peoples br= ains > > vary to begin with=2C and 2) the damage varies by a great deal too=2C e= ven if it > > is in the same area. Some researchers turn to animals=2C like rats=2C = to do > > their research. This is a reasonable solution=2C because now you can h= ave > > more precise data over a large group (thus combatting variation)=2C how= ever it > > is flawed because=2C even though we are closely related to chimpanzees= =2C our > > brains have evolved in seperate directions=2C and you have the disadvan= tage > > that they can't communicate and tell you whats wrong. > > > > Another problem with all of it=2C is that you never know whether or not= the > > area you removed is actually what caused the loss of behavior. For exa= mple=2C > > lets say I were to remove your "Brocas area" which is thought to be > > important for language. I can never really know if that part of your b= rain > > is actually used for language=2C or if it simply CONNECTS an area used = for > > language with another=2C and I only took out the connection. This is a= n > > incredibly hard problem to solve (I have a few ideas myself on how to s= olve > > it=2C but thats like an hour discussion=2C and its probably immoral/une= thical > > anyways). > > > > The final problem=2C is the general problem of diagnosing any psycholog= ical > > disease/condition. Just because we have two people=2C and we diagnose = them > > both with having apperceptive agnosia=2C it doesnt mean their condition= is > > identical. > > > > The "take home message" is=2C that if you watch videos of clinical > > neuropsychologists working on a disease=2C sometimes its even hard to k= now > > what disease the person has even if you just finishing learning about i= t=2C > > its not as if it NEVER works=2C or if its completely broken. Peoples b= rains > > vary=2C and even though some textbooks/courses/professors/students talk= about > > things like apperceptive agnosia=2C like you can never perceive visual > > stimuli=2C the truth is=2C we have no idea what its REALLY like=2C unle= ss we have > > it=2C and even then... you wouldn't even be able to accurately tell sci= entists > > whats wrong. > > > > The truth to keep in mind is=2C we don't understand very much about the > > brain=2C from the neuropsychology piece all the way down to the neurobi= ology=2C > > all the way down to the genetic basis. We don't have a lot of answers= =2C but > > we are working on it. > > > > To relate this back to your question=2C you would have to have the dise= ase to > > really be able to say if it would be worth it=2C and it would also depe= nd on > > the extent of the damage. > > > > P.S. If I wrote all this and don't get a reply back=2C I will be a sad= sad > > boy :) > > > > On Thu=2C Sep 25=2C 2008 at 12:34 PM=2C Steve Burton > > wrote: > > > > > > I think the concept of apperceptive agnosia is very interesting.= I > > wonder if people suffering from this disorder actually choose to use th= eir > > sight or if they choose to cover their eyes (like the person that had h= is > > sight restored) I think it would be interesting to know first hand how > > people exactly view the world that have apperceptive agnosia. I think a > > reason why this particular disorder is so difficult is because the pers= on > > isn't blind but are not able to use some of the most important cues fro= m > > their vision. This fact has to be very frustrating! I wonder if they ar= e > > able to adapt in anyway? > > > > > > > > >=20 > ------=3D_Part_40476_1160913.1222730899643 > Content-Type: text/html=3B charset=3DISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Content-Disposition: inline >=20 >
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=3B =3B =3B =3B I th= ink we agree o=3D > n quite a bit=2C but I will touch on what I perceive as disagreement and = perh=3D > aps better clarify my position. =3B To start with=2C I think everythi= ng I s=3D > aid was relevant to Steve'=3Bs question=2C which I read as curiosity a= s to w=3D > hat it would be like to be an apperceptive agnosic (I may have made up th= at=3D > word) and whether they would choose to see at all. =3B My whole post= bas=3D > ically responded under the assumption that neuropsychology is insufficien= t =3D > to answer the question=2C due to some of the "=3Blimitations"=3B = (Not to =3D > argue semantics=2C but it seems we agree on what neuropsychology can and = can&=3D > #39=3Bt do=2C so whether you call it flaws or limitations=2C its really t= he same =3D > to me. =3B To me=2C in this context=2C flaws are synonymous with limi= tations.=3D > =3B Since it doesn'=3Bt really matter though=2C I won'=3Bt spe= nd any lon=3D > ger defending my choice of words). =3B
> =3B =3B =3B =3B As far as the limit of what we know abou= t the brai=3D > n=2C I would hope Doctors Kesner=2C Watson=2C and Dreyers would all agree= with my=3D > statement that we are very much tapping the surface of what it is to kno= w.=3D > =3B This is the same in really any field of science. =3B There i= s a gr=3D > eat amount to be known=2C and even physics is finding that the more they = disc=3D > over=2C the more questions (and billion dollar particle accelerators need= ed) =3D > they discover. =3B The study of the brain is very young=2C and we und= erstan=3D > d relatively little about cellular biology compared to what there is to k= no=3D > w=2C so by default=2C we understand even less about neurobiology. =3B= You may=3D > put it a "=3Bbetter"=3B way for optimistic reasons=2C but I do n= ot consi=3D > der my position as one of pessimism=2C but rather one of scientific under= stan=3D > ding. =3B I would be a rather bad "=3Bscientist to be"=3B if = I though=3D > t for a moment I understood even a drop of what "=3Bthere is to know&= quot=3D > =3B. =3B Again=2C I think we agree on the details=2C but just differ = on what we=3D > call it.
> =3B =3B =3B =3B Regarding rTMS=2C it is still being work= ed on quite =3D > extensively=2C and as the International Federation of Clinicial Neurophys= iolo=3D > gy puts it in a brochure "=3B[the] therapeutic=3D20 > potential of rTMS is still being studied and should not be consid= er=3D > ed=3D20 > proven."=3B ( n/doc/rtms-inf.htm">http://www1.elsevier.com/homepage/sah/ifcn/doc/rtms-i= nf=3D > .htm).

=3B =3B =3B =3B So=2C perhaps in the f= uture=2C rTMS =3D > could work out the connection vs. Origin problem=2C but at the time of my= wri=3D > ting=2C this has not =3B been done. =3B TMS can not be used in th= is way=2C =3D > and neither can fMRI (since fMRI is merely correlational). =3B So=2C = as for=3D > today=2C the question still needs to be answered. =3B The reason it = is imp=3D > ortant to answer this (or why it matters) to me doesn'=3Bt really matt= er=2C =3D > its simply the fact that it hasn'=3Bt been answered that intrigues me.= &nbs=3D > p=3B However=2C I would imagine that in the very near future=2C we will b= e able t=3D > o repair connections=2C in various parts of the brain=2C well before we c= ould r=3D > eplace a whole brain region (it would take me many pages to go into depth= o=3D > n this).
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=3B =3B =3B The last thing we disagree on=2C is when you= claimed:<=3D > br>"=3Beach individual with a particular disorder communicates what h= is/h=3D > er abnormal perception"=3B
To me=2C the last thing we want to do w= hen an=3D > swering what the function of a brain region is=2C is to ask the person th= at j=3D > ust had brain trauma.
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=3B =3B =3B =3B Finally=2C as far as neuropsychology= improving p=3D > eoples lives=2C I would say the short answer is that it certainly already= doe=3D > s. =3B My girlfriends father had massive head trauma in a car acciden= t=2C a=3D > nd she claims he has definitely had major personality changes. =3B Hi= s wi=3D > fe (my girlfriends mother) gives him an incredibly hard time about having= l=3D > ittle motivation to do things. =3B If we all (her included) understoo= d th=3D > e structure and function of the brain as it relates to specific psycholog= ic=3D > al processes and overt behaviors (the very definition of neuropsychology)= w=3D > e could not only help in treatment=2C but also help in our understanding = of a=3D > ll psychological behavior. =3B Once you realize that all behavior is = rela=3D > ted to a physical organ in your body=2C and that organ is subject to gene= s=2C e=3D > nvironmental changes/trauma and other factors=2C it totally changes (at l= east=3D > it did mine) your whole outlook on things like free will=2C personality= =2C con=3D > ciousness and other very intriguing questions=2C that neuropsychology can= ans=3D > wer. =3B The study of the brain can begin to answer things that no ot= her =3D > field of science can begin to touch=2C but that is another discussion. >
P.S. I would be hard pressed to approach any Dr. and tell them that t= he=3D > ir knowledge is limited=2C especially about the brain=2C simply because i= t woul=3D > d not be my place to do so. =3B However=2C I would hope that they agr= ee wit=3D > h me=2C that they indeed only begin to understand. =3B They are just = human =3D > after all :)
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On Sat=2C Sep 27=2C 2008 at 12:57 AM= =2C Justin=3D > Potts <=3Bjusti=3D > n.potts@utah.edu>=3B wrote:
style=3D3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204=2C 204=2C 204)=3B margin: 0pt = 0pt 0pt 0.=3D > 8ex=3B padding-left: 1ex=3B"> > Jon -
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> I wouldn'=3Bt want you to be a sad sad boy. =3D3D) Your reply to Steve= '=3Bs=3D > comment about apperceptive agnosia was probably more then he was expecti= ng=3D > . You definitely said a mouthful=2C or a brainful I should say=2C of very= perti=3D > nent information. But I don'=3Bt think Steve was talking about the inc= redi=3D > ble amount of solid information neuropsychology has provided or implied t= ha=3D > t he doesn'=3Bt realize the limits of neuropsychology (I wouldn'=3B= t say =3D > flaws=2C scientists are well aware of the limitations.) His questions wer= e cu=3D > riosities and definitely answerable with current knowledge=2C except him = want=3D > ing to know first hand how a person with apperceptive agnosia sees the wo= rl=3D > d exactly (without actually having it himself.) This=2C like you implied= =2C wou=3D > ld depend on the person since all our brains are unique.
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> Although=2C a relatively new technology called repetitive transcranial ma= gnet=3D > ic stimulation (rTMS) disrupts cognitive processing (called a "=3Bvir= tual=3D > lesion"=3B) and actually "=3Bturns off"=3B certain parts of = the brai=3D > n=3B it is non-invasive=2C painless=2C and used on humans. With this tool= it migh=3D > t be possible to temporarily experience "=3Bfirst hand"=3B what i= t woul=3D > d be like to have apperceptive agnosia. How cool would that be? Or how di= st=3D > urbing I should say?
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> With TMS=2C rTMS=2C and fMRI I can imagine it is possible to discern betw= een ar=3D > eas of the brain that are merely relay stations or "=3Bconnections&qu= ot=3B =3D > and the area that is the final synthesizer of information and endows perc= ep=3D > tion. But does it really matter if Broca'=3Bs area is HQ for language = comp=3D > rehension or just a connector to HQ? Both are equally important right? Kn= oc=3D > k one out the other becomes superfluous. Unless the brain is better able = to=3D > find replace connections to HQ then to outright replace HQ.
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> True peoples brains are organized uniquely but it'=3Bs obvious that ne= urop=3D > sychological disorders exist (even though discovered by a handful of case= s=3D > tudies) because each individual with a particular disorder communicates w= ha=3D > t his/her abnormal perception is and compared with others with similiar a= bn=3D > ormal perceptions enough similarities are present to create a generalized= c=3D > ategory=3B even though their lesion may not be in the exact same places. = It i=3D > s assumed that although in different places each lesioned area has the sa= me=3D > function.
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> I definitely agree that just because a person is diagnosed with a disorde= r/=3D > disease=2C of any kind=2C does not mean that his/her experience is identi= cal to=3D > another with the exact same diagnosis. This is true of any diagnosis in = or=3D > outside of psychology. However=2C enough similarities exist to group the= m to=3D > gether. That'=3Bs what we do. We group=2C categorize=2C label=2C relat= e=2C correla=3D > te=2C and segregate. For convenience and for practicality. Science is aft= er g=3D > eneralizations. We can definitely say that certain areas of the brain hav= e =3D > certain functions=2C just because those areas are in varying places among= hum=3D > ans doesn'=3Bt mean this information isn'=3Bt valuable or helpful. = It can=3D > give you the general or perhaps the averaged human brain. This is helpfu= l =3D > in neurosurgery but they still directly stimulate areas of the brain=2C w= hile=3D > in surgery=2C to determine the exact location of functions=2C so to not = excise=3D > them. Hypothetically there are innumerable amount of "=3Bdisorders&q= uot=3B=3D > that a person could have.
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> All this has brought me to a question: what is the point of neuropsycholo= gy=3D > ? Besides aiding in neurosurgery does any of this knowledge improve a hum= an=3D > beings life? We diagnose=2C we understand or think we do=2C are intrigue= d=2C and=3D > can explain to an afflicted person *why* they are experiencing problems= =2C w=3D > hich possibly may alleviate their stress to a degree. Such as Jonathan I.= =2C =3D > the color-blind painter in oliver sacks article=2C was relieved when they= cou=3D > ld tell him that he wasn'=3Bt suffering from hysteria (yet at the same= tim=3D > e he wished it was.) But what else could they do for him? What can we do = fo=3D > r a person suffering from any of the agnosias=2C except study them? We= 9=3Bve=3D > identified neurotransmitters that have been implicated in a wide variety= o=3D > f disorders=2C within and without psychology=2C and have formulated pharm= acolog=3D > ical interventions some of which successful and one could say have improv= ed=3D > peoples life'=3Bs. Although placebo'=3Bs are very close in effecti= veness=3D > =2C which is somewhat disturbing. Is that what neuropsychology is all abo= ut? =3D > Helping the medical establishment to "=3Bcure"=3B diseases?
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> From what I understand its original intention was to tie abstract psychol= og=3D > ical concepts to brain structures=2C and in some manner making them more = conc=3D > rete or "=3Breal"=3B. Lesions and what not are good for knowledge= and u=3D > nderstanding. What if we knew for absolute certain what every little chun= k =3D > and piece of the brain did and how exactly it operated=2C processed=2C an= d inte=3D > racted with surrounding brain tissue? You could formulate medical interve= nt=3D > ions. For psychological purposes though it just solidifies concepts and p= ro=3D > cesses=2C although eventually all these fields will combine=2C as is alre= ady ha=3D > ppening - neuroscience is a hybrid science. Plasticity is very interestin= g =3D > thing but it happens naturally without human intervention. Understanding = ho=3D > w it works however might allow us to control it and induce it when natura= ll=3D > y it would not. All this knowledge is bound to pay off on some level isn&= #3=3D > 9=3Bt it? Understanding is the key to action. Anyway=2C I'=3Bm going w= ay off h=3D > ere=2C I apologize.
>=20 >
> To wrap up my wordy reply I'=3Bd say we do have a lot of answers=2C or= poten=3D > tial answers. And I'=3Bd argue we understand quite a lot about neurops= ycho=3D > logy and especially neurobiology. Perhaps not very much relative to how m= uc=3D > h there IS to know but quite a lot in my opinion. Enough for whole classe= s =3D > to be taught on the subjects and for individuals to dedicate their entire= l=3D > ives to the study of. Ask Dr. Strayer=2C Dr. Watson=2C or Dr. Kesner abou= t neur=3D > obiology or neuropsychology and they'=3Bd have volumes to say. How muc= h we=3D > /they know is an opinion. But I'=3Bd be hard pressed to approach Dr. S= tray=3D > er and say to him=2C "=3Byou don'=3Bt know very much about the bra= in."=3D > =3B
>=20 >
> -Justin Potts
>
> P.S. I hope this reply hasn'=3Bt inflamed you. Not my intention at all= . I =3D > hope you are a happy happy boy!
>

>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: psych3120-= admi=3D > n@lists.csbs.utah.edu on behalf of Jon Hall
> Sent: Thu 9/25/2008 2:07 PM
> To: psych3120@lists.cs= bs.u=3D > tah.edu
> Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Apperceptive agnosia
>
> You need to realize the limits and incredible flaws of neuropsychology in= g=3D > eneral.
>
> The first=2C is that many neuropsychological disorders are present in onl= y a =3D > handful of cases. =3BFor example=2C Roger W. Sperry (who won the nob= le pri=3D > ze) did the famous studies on split brain patients=2C which led the the t= heor=3D > y that different halves of the brain do different things. =3BHe had = some=3D > thing like only 6 cases (subjects)=2C all of them had their corpus callos= um c=3D > ut because they were suffering from hundreds of seisures a day. =3BN= ot t=3D > o mention that in order to sever the corpus callosum=2C they LITERALLY ha= d to=3D > pry open the brain like prying two metal bars apart to reach it and cut = it=3D > . =3BHow similar do you think their brains were to ours=2C before an= d afte=3D > r this was done? =3BBrains have an incredible variation from person = to p=3D > erson=2C even something like language is not always in the same side of t= he b=3D > rain=2C let alone the same spot. =3BThis goes along with what we wer= e talk=3D > ing about plasticity.
>=20 >
> The second problem is the variation in leisons of humans. =3BA lot o= f ne=3D > uropsychological disorders are discovered by only a handful of case studi= es=3D > =2C and each of these people have a very different brain=2C and a very di= fferen=3D > t lesion. =3BIts not even close to exact=2C because 1) peoples brain= s vary=3D > to begin with=2C and 2) the damage varies by a great deal too=2C even if= it is=3D > in the same area. =3BSome researchers turn to animals=2C like rats= =2C to do=3D > their research. =3BThis is a reasonable solution=2C because now you= can h=3D > ave more precise data over a large group (thus combatting variation)=2C h= owev=3D > er it is flawed because=2C even though we are closely related to chimpanz= ees=2C=3D > our brains have evolved in seperate directions=2C and you have the disad= vant=3D > age that they can'=3Bt communicate and tell you whats wrong.
>=20 >
> Another problem with all of it=2C is that you never know whether or not t= he a=3D > rea you removed is actually what caused the loss of behavior. =3BFor= exa=3D > mple=2C lets say I were to remove your "=3BBrocas area"=3B which = is thoug=3D > ht to be important for language. =3BI can never really know if that = part=3D > of your brain is actually used for language=2C or if it simply CONNECTS = an a=3D > rea used for language with another=2C and I only took out the connection.= &nb=3D > sp=3BThis is an incredibly hard problem to solve (I have a few ideas myse= lf o=3D > n how to solve it=2C but thats like an hour discussion=2C and its probabl= y immo=3D > ral/unethical anyways).
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> The final problem=2C is the general problem of diagnosing any psychologic= al d=3D > isease/condition. =3BJust because we have two people=2C and we diagn= ose th=3D > em both with having apperceptive agnosia=2C it doesnt mean their conditio= n is=3D > identical.
>=20 >
> The "=3Btake home message"=3B is=2C that if you watch videos of c= linical =3D > neuropsychologists working on a disease=2C sometimes its even hard to kno= w wh=3D > at disease the person has even if you just finishing learning about it=2C= its=3D > not as if it NEVER works=2C or if its completely broken. =3BPeoples= brain=3D > s vary=2C and even though some textbooks/courses/professors/students talk= abo=3D > ut things like apperceptive agnosia=2C like you can never perceive visual= sti=3D > muli=2C the truth is=2C we have no idea what its REALLY like=2C unless we= have it=3D > =2C and even then... you wouldn'=3Bt even be able to accurately tell s= cienti=3D > sts whats wrong.
>=20 >
> The truth to keep in mind is=2C we don'=3Bt understand very much about= the b=3D > rain=2C from the neuropsychology piece all the way down to the neurobiolo= gy=2C =3D > all the way down to the genetic basis. =3BWe don'=3Bt have a lot = of ans=3D > wers=2C but we are working on it.
>=20 >
> To relate this back to your question=2C you would have to have the diseas= e to=3D > really be able to say if it would be worth it=2C and it would also depen= d on=3D > the extent of the damage.
>
> P.S. =3BIf I wrote all this and don'=3Bt get a reply back=2C I wi= ll be a =3D > sad sad boy :)
>
> On Thu=2C Sep 25=2C 2008 at 12:34 PM=2C Steve Burton <=3B ely@hotmail.com">skifreely@hotmail.com>=3B wrote:
>
>
> =3B =3B =3B =3BI think the concept of apperceptive a= gnosia is =3D > very interesting. I wonder if people suffering from this disorder actuall= y =3D > choose to use their sight or if they choose to cover their eyes (like the= p=3D > erson that had his sight restored) I think it would be interesting to kno= w =3D > first hand how people exactly view the world that have apperceptive agnos= ia=3D > . I think a reason why this particular disorder is so difficult is becaus= e =3D > the person isn'=3Bt blind but are not able to use some of the most imp= orta=3D > nt cues from their vision. This fact has to be very frustrating! I wonder= i=3D > f they are able to adapt in anyway?
>=20 >
>
>
>

>=20 > ------=3D_Part_40476_1160913.1222730899643-- >=20 >=20 > --__--__-- >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Psych3120 mailing list > Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 >=20 >=20 > End of Psych3120 Digest _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn =9310 hidden secrets=94 from Jamie= . http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!5= 50F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008= --_e867d516-d4cf-4b87-acde-69da25a07fed_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Attention is something I've really been interested in. Talking with differe= nt people it seems
attention problems are a concern for a lot of people= =2C but I think it's a result of our fast passed
world. The constant bom= bardment of stimulus=2C and stimulus overload was an interesting
lectur= e. And it seems our society is suffering from stimulus overload all the tim= e from TV=2C
constant access to phones=2C and music. Also=2C attenuation= theory was
very interesting=2C and makes a lot of sense over filter th= eory. Especially when your mind can pick out
a name=2C or something fam= iliar in a busy loud room full of distractions. =3B

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>=3B Subject: RE: [Ps= ych3120] Attention and Studying
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>=3B I've found that experience the same effect when = studying. If I try to go =3D
>=3B for longer than 30 min or so I will = easily get distracted and find it =3D
>=3B more difficult to retain wh= at it is that I am studying. Sometimes simply =3D
>=3B changing what I= am studying will help me. After 20-30 of studying on =3D
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>=3B Here are some thoughts about our upcomin= g discussion on attention this =3D
>=3B week. Chapter 4 in the textbo= ok brings up the discussion of how our =3D
>=3B attention capabilities= are limited. We can only focus on so many things =3D
>=3B at once an= d only for so long. This reminded me of something that I had =3D
>=3B= learned in another psychology class=2C Human Performance and Engineering. = =3D
>=3B In the class we learned that our attention level (sometimes = referred to =3D
>=3B as vigilance) begins to sharply decline between 2= 0 and 30 minutes. At =3D
>=3B that point=2C unless the stimulus stren= gth increases or we adjust the =3D
>=3B task=2C our focus becomes less= attentive and we process less information. =3D
>=3B I think the impl= ications of this for students can be insightful. =3D
>=3B Instead of = trying to push your way through long sessions of studying=2C it =3D
>= =3B seems to more effective to take rest intervals. It has been my persona= l =3D
>=3B experience that I get a lot more accomplished when I study = hard for =3D
>=3B about 20 minutes=2C take a 10 minute break and then = continue for another =3D
>=3B 20 minutes than if I had just continued = studying for an hour =3D
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>=3B From: "Deus=2C Rachel= le" <=3BRachelle.Deus@amerinet-gpo.com>=3B
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>=3B I was just wondering if a= nyone knows when we are suppose to receive our
>=3B tests back. I don'= t know if Dr. Strayer or Ann mentioned when we would
>=3B receive them= back or not=2C but I apparently did not hear either way=2C so
>=3B if= any of you know when we get them back=2C please let me know...thanks
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>=3B [mailto:psy= ch3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu] On Behalf Of Aaron Norton
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>=3B Subject: [Psych3120] Test Review
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>=3B I hope everyone did well in this firs= t test. I have so far really
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>=3B From: Ultimate Film Fan <=3Bultimatefilmfan@yahoo.com>=3B=
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>=3B Subject: [Psych3120]= Week 5 Post
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>=3B Like most of you=2C I think the test went really= well.=3DA0 The review was a go=3D
>=3B od refresher and helped us foc= us on what was important as we covered a lot =3D
>=3B of material.=3D0= A=3D0AThe thing I'm most happy about was the fact that question=3D
>= =3B s were supplemented by the book and were not fully based on material fr= om t=3D
>=3B he book.=3DA0 I don't know about most of you=2C there was= way too much material=3D
>=3B to be fully tested using the book.=3D0= A=3D0AI hope that the upcoming lectures =3D
>=3B feature as intriguing= material as what we learned in the last section.=3DA0 I=3D
>=3B have= to say it will be hard to top.=3DA0 The sections of color vision I have=3D=
>=3B to say intrigued me the most.=3DA0 Also the last section coveri= ng the visual=3D
>=3B disorders really opened my eyes to how sensitiv= e our vision and brains are=3D
>=3B .=3D0A=3D0AThanks for a great clas= s and discussion board so far=2C keep up the gr=3D
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>=3B <=3BDI= V>=3BThe thing I'm most happy about was the fact that questions were supp= lemented by the book and were not fully based on material from the book.&am= p=3Bnbsp=3B I don't know about most of you=2C there was way too much materi= al to be fully tested using the book.<=3B/DIV>=3B
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>=3B <=3BDIV>=3BI hope that the= upcoming lectures feature as intriguing material as what we learned in the= last section.&=3Bnbsp=3B I have to say it will be hard to top.&=3Bnb= sp=3B The sections of color vision I have to say intrigued me the most.&= =3Bnbsp=3B Also the last section covering the visual disorders really opene= d my eyes to how sensitive our vision and brains are.<=3B/DIV>=3B
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>=3B Date: Mon=2C 29 Sep 2008 17:28:19 -0600
>=3B From: "Jon Hal= l" <=3Bjonhall19@gmail.com>=3B
>=3B To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.= edu
>=3B Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Apperceptive agnosia
>=3B Reply= -To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu
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>=3B Justin=2C
>=3B
>=3B I thi= nk we agree on quite a bit=2C but I will touch on what I perceive as
>= =3B disagreement and perhaps better clarify my position. To start with=2C = I think
>=3B everything I said was relevant to Steve's question=2C whi= ch I read as
>=3B curiosity as to what it would be like to be an apper= ceptive agnosic (I may
>=3B have made up that word) and whether they w= ould choose to see at all. My
>=3B whole post basically responded und= er the assumption that neuropsychology is
>=3B insufficient to answer = the question=2C due to some of the "limitations" (Not
>=3B to argue se= mantics=2C but it seems we agree on what neuropsychology can and
>=3B = can't do=2C so whether you call it flaws or limitations=2C its really the s= ame
>=3B to me. To me=2C in this context=2C flaws are synonymous with= limitations.
>=3B Since it doesn't really matter though=2C I won't sp= end any longer defending my
>=3B choice of words).
>=3B As f= ar as the limit of what we know about the brain=2C I would hope
>=3B D= octors Kesner=2C Watson=2C and Dreyers would all agree with my statement th= at
>=3B we are very much tapping the surface of what it is to know. T= his is the
>=3B same in really any field of science. There is a great= amount to be known=2C
>=3B and even physics is finding that the more = they discover=2C the more questions
>=3B (and billion dollar particle = accelerators needed) they discover. The study
>=3B of the brain is ve= ry young=2C and we understand relatively little about
>=3B cellular bi= ology compared to what there is to know=2C so by default=2C we
>=3B un= derstand even less about neurobiology. You may put it a "better" way for>=3B optimistic reasons=2C but I do not consider my position as one of = pessimism=2C
>=3B but rather one of scientific understanding. I would= be a rather bad
>=3B "scientist to be" if I thought for a moment I un= derstood even a drop of what
>=3B "there is to know". Again=2C I thin= k we agree on the details=2C but just differ
>=3B on what we call it.<= br>>=3B Regarding rTMS=2C it is still being worked on quite extensiv= ely=2C and as
>=3B the International Federation of Clinicial Neurophys= iology puts it in a
>=3B brochure "[the] therapeutic potential of rTMS= is still being studied and
>=3B should not be considered proven." (>=3B http://www1.elsevier.com/homepage/sah/ifcn/doc/rtms-inf.htm).
&= gt=3B
>=3B So=2C perhaps in the future=2C rTMS could work out th= e connection vs.
>=3B Origin problem=2C but at the time of my writing= =2C this has not been done. TMS
>=3B can not be used in this way=2C = and neither can fMRI (since fMRI is merely
>=3B correlational). So=2C= as for today=2C the question still needs to be answered.
>=3B The rea= son it is important to answer this (or why it matters) to me doesn't
>= =3B really matter=2C its simply the fact that it hasn't been answered that<= br>>=3B intrigues me. However=2C I would imagine that in the very near f= uture=2C we
>=3B will be able to repair connections=2C in various part= s of the brain=2C well
>=3B before we could replace a whole brain regi= on (it would take me many pages to
>=3B go into depth on this).
>= =3B
>=3B The last thing we disagree on=2C is when you claimed:>=3B "each individual with a particular disorder communicates what his/h= er
>=3B abnormal perception"
>=3B To me=2C the last thing we want= to do when answering what the function of a
>=3B brain region is=2C i= s to ask the person that just had brain trauma.
>=3B
>=3B F= inally=2C as far as neuropsychology improving peoples lives=2C I would say<= br>>=3B the short answer is that it certainly already does. My girlfrien= ds father
>=3B had massive head trauma in a car accident=2C and she cl= aims he has definitely
>=3B had major personality changes. His wife (= my girlfriends mother) gives him
>=3B an incredibly hard time about ha= ving little motivation to do things. If we
>=3B all (her included) un= derstood the structure and function of the brain as it
>=3B relates to= specific psychological processes and overt behaviors (the very
>=3B d= efinition of neuropsychology) we could not only help in treatment=2C but al= so
>=3B help in our understanding of all psychological behavior. Once= you realize
>=3B that all behavior is related to a physical organ in = your body=2C and that
>=3B organ is subject to genes=2C environmental = changes/trauma and other factors=2C
>=3B it totally changes (at least = it did mine) your whole outlook on things like
>=3B free will=2C perso= nality=2C conciousness and other very intriguing questions=2C
>=3B tha= t neuropsychology can answer. The study of the brain can begin to answer>=3B things that no other field of science can begin to touch=2C but th= at is
>=3B another discussion.
>=3B
>=3B P.S. I would be ha= rd pressed to approach any Dr. and tell them that their
>=3B knowledge= is limited=2C especially about the brain=2C simply because it would
>= =3B not be my place to do so. However=2C I would hope that they agree with= me=2C
>=3B that they indeed only begin to understand. They are just = human after all :)
>=3B
>=3B
>=3B On Sat=2C Sep 27=2C 2008= at 12:57 AM=2C Justin Potts <=3Bjustin.potts@utah.edu>=3Bwrote:
>= =3B
>=3B >=3B Jon -
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B I wouldn't wa= nt you to be a sad sad boy. =3D) Your reply to Steve's comment
>=3B &g= t=3B about apperceptive agnosia was probably more then he was expecting. Yo= u
>=3B >=3B definitely said a mouthful=2C or a brainful I should say= =2C of very pertinent
>=3B >=3B information. But I don't think Steve= was talking about the incredible amount
>=3B >=3B of solid informat= ion neuropsychology has provided or implied that he doesn't
>=3B >= =3B realize the limits of neuropsychology (I wouldn't say flaws=2C scientis= ts are
>=3B >=3B well aware of the limitations.) His questions were = curiosities and
>=3B >=3B definitely answerable with current knowled= ge=2C except him wanting to know
>=3B >=3B first hand how a person w= ith apperceptive agnosia sees the world exactly
>=3B >=3B (without a= ctually having it himself.) This=2C like you implied=2C would depend
>= =3B >=3B on the person since all our brains are unique.
>=3B >=3B<= br>>=3B >=3B Although=2C a relatively new technology called repetitive = transcranial
>=3B >=3B magnetic stimulation (rTMS) disrupts cognitiv= e processing (called a "virtual
>=3B >=3B lesion") and actually "tur= ns off" certain parts of the brain=3B it is
>=3B >=3B non-invasive= =2C painless=2C and used on humans. With this tool it might be
>=3B &g= t=3B possible to temporarily experience "first hand" what it would be like = to
>=3B >=3B have apperceptive agnosia. How cool would that be? Or h= ow disturbing I
>=3B >=3B should say?
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >= =3B With TMS=2C rTMS=2C and fMRI I can imagine it is possible to discern be= tween
>=3B >=3B areas of the brain that are merely relay stations or= "connections" and the
>=3B >=3B area that is the final synthesizer = of information and endows perception. But
>=3B >=3B does it really m= atter if Broca's area is HQ for language comprehension or
>=3B >=3B = just a connector to HQ? Both are equally important right? Knock one out the=
>=3B >=3B other becomes superfluous. Unless the brain is better abl= e to find replace
>=3B >=3B connections to HQ then to outright repla= ce HQ.
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B True peoples brains are organized = uniquely but it's obvious that
>=3B >=3B neuropsychological disorder= s exist (even though discovered by a handful of
>=3B >=3B case studi= es) because each individual with a particular disorder
>=3B >=3B com= municates what his/her abnormal perception is and compared with others
&= gt=3B >=3B with similiar abnormal perceptions enough similarities are pre= sent to create
>=3B >=3B a generalized category=3B even though their= lesion may not be in the exact
>=3B >=3B same places. It is assumed= that although in different places each lesioned
>=3B >=3B area has = the same function.
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B I definitely agree tha= t just because a person is diagnosed with a
>=3B >=3B disorder/disea= se=2C of any kind=2C does not mean that his/her experience is
>=3B >= =3B identical to another with the exact same diagnosis. This is true of any=
>=3B >=3B diagnosis in or outside of psychology. However=2C enough = similarities exist to
>=3B >=3B group them together. That's what we = do. We group=2C categorize=2C label=2C relate=2C
>=3B >=3B correlate= =2C and segregate. For convenience and for practicality. Science is
>= =3B >=3B after generalizations. We can definitely say that certain areas = of the brain
>=3B >=3B have certain functions=2C just because those = areas are in varying places among
>=3B >=3B humans doesn't mean this= information isn't valuable or helpful. It can give
>=3B >=3B you th= e general or perhaps the averaged human brain. This is helpful in
>=3B= >=3B neurosurgery but they still directly stimulate areas of the brain= =2C while in
>=3B >=3B surgery=2C to determine the exact location of= functions=2C so to not excise
>=3B >=3B them. Hypothetically there = are innumerable amount of "disorders" that a
>=3B >=3B person could = have.
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B All this has brought me to a questi= on: what is the point of
>=3B >=3B neuropsychology? Besides aiding i= n neurosurgery does any of this knowledge
>=3B >=3B improve a human = beings life? We diagnose=2C we understand or think we do=2C are
>=3B &= gt=3B intrigued=2C and can explain to an afflicted person *why* they are>=3B >=3B experiencing problems=2C which possibly may alleviate their = stress to a
>=3B >=3B degree. Such as Jonathan I.=2C the color-blind= painter in oliver sacks
>=3B >=3B article=2C was relieved when they= could tell him that he wasn't suffering from
>=3B >=3B hysteria (ye= t at the same time he wished it was.) But what else could they
>=3B &g= t=3B do for him? What can we do for a person suffering from any of the agno= sias=2C
>=3B >=3B except study them? We've identified neurotransmitt= ers that have been
>=3B >=3B implicated in a wide variety of disorde= rs=2C within and without psychology=2C
>=3B >=3B and have formulated= pharmacological interventions some of which successful
>=3B >=3B an= d one could say have improved peoples life's. Although placebo's are very>=3B >=3B close in effectiveness=2C which is somewhat disturbing. Is = that what
>=3B >=3B neuropsychology is all about? Helping the medica= l establishment to "cure"
>=3B >=3B diseases?
>=3B >=3B
&g= t=3B >=3B From what I understand its original intention was to tie abstra= ct
>=3B >=3B psychological concepts to brain structures=2C and in so= me manner making them
>=3B >=3B more concrete or "real". Lesions and= what not are good for knowledge and
>=3B >=3B understanding. What i= f we knew for absolute certain what every little chunk
>=3B >=3B and= piece of the brain did and how exactly it operated=2C processed=2C and
= >=3B >=3B interacted with surrounding brain tissue? You could formulate= medical
>=3B >=3B interventions. For psychological purposes though = it just solidifies concepts
>=3B >=3B and processes=2C although even= tually all these fields will combine=2C as is
>=3B >=3B already happ= ening - neuroscience is a hybrid science. Plasticity is very
>=3B >= =3B interesting thing but it happens naturally without human intervention.<= br>>=3B >=3B Understanding how it works however might allow us to contr= ol it and induce
>=3B >=3B it when naturally it would not. All this = knowledge is bound to pay off on
>=3B >=3B some level isn't it? Unde= rstanding is the key to action. Anyway=2C I'm going
>=3B >=3B way of= f here=2C I apologize.
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B To wrap up my word= y reply I'd say we do have a lot of answers=2C or potential
>=3B >= =3B answers. And I'd argue we understand quite a lot about neuropsychology = and
>=3B >=3B especially neurobiology. Perhaps not very much relativ= e to how much there IS
>=3B >=3B to know but quite a lot in my opini= on. Enough for whole classes to be taught
>=3B >=3B on the subjects = and for individuals to dedicate their entire lives to the
>=3B >=3B = study of. Ask Dr. Strayer=2C Dr. Watson=2C or Dr. Kesner about neurobiology= or
>=3B >=3B neuropsychology and they'd have volumes to say. How mu= ch we/they know is an
>=3B >=3B opinion. But I'd be hard pressed to = approach Dr. Strayer and say to him=2C
>=3B >=3B "you don't know ver= y much about the brain."
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B -Justin Potts>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B P.S. I hope this reply hasn't inflamed you.= Not my intention at all. I hope
>=3B >=3B you are a happy happy boy= !
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B -----Original Message-= ----
>=3B >=3B From: psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu on behalf o= f Jon Hall
>=3B >=3B Sent: Thu 9/25/2008 2:07 PM
>=3B >=3B To= : psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu
>=3B >=3B Subject: Re: [Psych3120] A= pperceptive agnosia
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B You need to realize t= he limits and incredible flaws of neuropsychology in
>=3B >=3B gener= al.
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B The first=2C is that many neuropsycho= logical disorders are present in only a
>=3B >=3B handful of cases. = For example=2C Roger W. Sperry (who won the noble prize)
>=3B >=3B = did the famous studies on split brain patients=2C which led the the theory<= br>>=3B >=3B that different halves of the brain do different things. H= e had something
>=3B >=3B like only 6 cases (subjects)=2C all of the= m had their corpus callosum cut
>=3B >=3B because they were sufferin= g from hundreds of seisures a day. Not to mention
>=3B >=3B that in= order to sever the corpus callosum=2C they LITERALLY had to pry open
&g= t=3B >=3B the brain like prying two metal bars apart to reach it and cut = it. How
>=3B >=3B similar do you think their brains were to ours=2C= before and after this was
>=3B >=3B done? Brains have an incredibl= e variation from person to person=2C even
>=3B >=3B something like l= anguage is not always in the same side of the brain=2C let
>=3B >=3B= alone the same spot. This goes along with what we were talking about
&= gt=3B >=3B plasticity.
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B The second probl= em is the variation in leisons of humans. A lot of
>=3B >=3B neurop= sychological disorders are discovered by only a handful of case
>=3B &= gt=3B studies=2C and each of these people have a very different brain=2C an= d a very
>=3B >=3B different lesion. Its not even close to exact=2C= because 1) peoples brains
>=3B >=3B vary to begin with=2C and 2) th= e damage varies by a great deal too=2C even if it
>=3B >=3B is in th= e same area. Some researchers turn to animals=2C like rats=2C to do
>= =3B >=3B their research. This is a reasonable solution=2C because now yo= u can have
>=3B >=3B more precise data over a large group (thus comb= atting variation)=2C however it
>=3B >=3B is flawed because=2C even = though we are closely related to chimpanzees=2C our
>=3B >=3B brains= have evolved in seperate directions=2C and you have the disadvantage
&g= t=3B >=3B that they can't communicate and tell you whats wrong.
>=3B= >=3B
>=3B >=3B Another problem with all of it=2C is that you neve= r know whether or not the
>=3B >=3B area you removed is actually wha= t caused the loss of behavior. For example=2C
>=3B >=3B lets say I = were to remove your "Brocas area" which is thought to be
>=3B >=3B i= mportant for language. I can never really know if that part of your brain<= br>>=3B >=3B is actually used for language=2C or if it simply CONNECTS = an area used for
>=3B >=3B language with another=2C and I only took = out the connection. This is an
>=3B >=3B incredibly hard problem to= solve (I have a few ideas myself on how to solve
>=3B >=3B it=2C bu= t thats like an hour discussion=2C and its probably immoral/unethical
&g= t=3B >=3B anyways).
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B The final problem= =2C is the general problem of diagnosing any psychological
>=3B >=3B= disease/condition. Just because we have two people=2C and we diagnose the= m
>=3B >=3B both with having apperceptive agnosia=2C it doesnt mean = their condition is
>=3B >=3B identical.
>=3B >=3B
>=3B &= gt=3B The "take home message" is=2C that if you watch videos of clinical>=3B >=3B neuropsychologists working on a disease=2C sometimes its eve= n hard to know
>=3B >=3B what disease the person has even if you jus= t finishing learning about it=2C
>=3B >=3B its not as if it NEVER wo= rks=2C or if its completely broken. Peoples brains
>=3B >=3B vary= =2C and even though some textbooks/courses/professors/students talk about>=3B >=3B things like apperceptive agnosia=2C like you can never perc= eive visual
>=3B >=3B stimuli=2C the truth is=2C we have no idea wha= t its REALLY like=2C unless we have
>=3B >=3B it=2C and even then...= you wouldn't even be able to accurately tell scientists
>=3B >=3B w= hats wrong.
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B The truth to keep in mind is= =2C we don't understand very much about the
>=3B >=3B brain=2C from = the neuropsychology piece all the way down to the neurobiology=2C
>=3B= >=3B all the way down to the genetic basis. We don't have a lot of answ= ers=2C but
>=3B >=3B we are working on it.
>=3B >=3B
>= =3B >=3B To relate this back to your question=2C you would have to have t= he disease to
>=3B >=3B really be able to say if it would be worth i= t=2C and it would also depend on
>=3B >=3B the extent of the damage.=
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B P.S. If I wrote all this and don't get = a reply back=2C I will be a sad sad
>=3B >=3B boy :)
>=3B >= =3B
>=3B >=3B On Thu=2C Sep 25=2C 2008 at 12:34 PM=2C Steve Burton &= lt=3Bskifreely@hotmail.com>=3B
>=3B >=3B wrote:
>=3B >=3B>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B I think the concept of apperceptive= agnosia is very interesting. I
>=3B >=3B wonder if people suffering= from this disorder actually choose to use their
>=3B >=3B sight or = if they choose to cover their eyes (like the person that had his
>=3B = >=3B sight restored) I think it would be interesting to know first hand h= ow
>=3B >=3B people exactly view the world that have apperceptive ag= nosia. I think a
>=3B >=3B reason why this particular disorder is so= difficult is because the person
>=3B >=3B isn't blind but are not a= ble to use some of the most important cues from
>=3B >=3B their visi= on. This fact has to be very frustrating! I wonder if they are
>=3B &g= t=3B able to adapt in anyway?
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B
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>=3B <=3Bdiv dir=3D3D"ltr">=3BJustin=2C<= =3Bbr>=3B<=3Bbr>=3B&=3Bnbsp=3B&=3Bnbsp=3B&=3Bnbsp=3B&=3Bn= bsp=3B I think we agree o=3D
>=3B n quite a bit=2C but I will touch on= what I perceive as disagreement and perh=3D
>=3B aps better clarify m= y position.&=3Bnbsp=3B To start with=2C I think everything I s=3D
>= =3B aid was relevant to Steve&=3B#39=3Bs question=2C which I read as cur= iosity as to w=3D
>=3B hat it would be like to be an apperceptive agno= sic (I may have made up that=3D
>=3B word) and whether they would cho= ose to see at all.&=3Bnbsp=3B My whole post bas=3D
>=3B ically resp= onded under the assumption that neuropsychology is insufficient =3D
>= =3B to answer the question=2C due to some of the &=3Bquot=3Blimitations&= amp=3Bquot=3B (Not to =3D
>=3B argue semantics=2C but it seems we agre= e on what neuropsychology can and can&=3B=3D
>=3B #39=3Bt do=2C so = whether you call it flaws or limitations=2C its really the same =3D
>= =3B to me.&=3Bnbsp=3B To me=2C in this context=2C flaws are synonymous w= ith limitations.=3D
>=3B &=3Bnbsp=3B Since it doesn&=3B#39=3Bt r= eally matter though=2C I won&=3B#39=3Bt spend any lon=3D
>=3B ger d= efending my choice of words).&=3Bnbsp=3B <=3Bbr>=3B
>=3B &= =3Bnbsp=3B&=3Bnbsp=3B&=3Bnbsp=3B&=3Bnbsp=3B As far as the limit of= what we know about the brai=3D
>=3B n=2C I would hope Doctors Kesner= =2C Watson=2C and Dreyers would all agree with my=3D
>=3B statement t= hat we are very much tapping the surface of what it is to know.=3D
>= =3B &=3Bnbsp=3B This is the same in really any field of science.&=3Bn= bsp=3B There is a gr=3D
>=3B eat amount to be known=2C and even physic= s is finding that the more they disc=3D
>=3B over=2C the more question= s (and billion dollar particle accelerators needed) =3D
>=3B they disc= over.&=3Bnbsp=3B The study of the brain is very young=2C and we understa= n=3D
>=3B d relatively little about cellular biology compared to what = there is to kno=3D
>=3B w=2C so by default=2C we understand even less = about neurobiology.&=3Bnbsp=3B You may=3D
>=3B put it a &=3Bquo= t=3Bbetter&=3Bquot=3B way for optimistic reasons=2C but I do not consi= =3D
>=3B der my position as one of pessimism=2C but rather one of scie= ntific understan=3D
>=3B ding.&=3Bnbsp=3B I would be a rather bad &= amp=3Bquot=3Bscientist to be&=3Bquot=3B if I though=3D
>=3B t for a= moment I understood even a drop of what &=3Bquot=3Bthere is to know&= =3Bquot=3D
>=3B =3B.&=3Bnbsp=3B Again=2C I think we agree on the de= tails=2C but just differ on what we=3D
>=3B call it.<=3Bbr>=3B>=3B &=3Bnbsp=3B&=3Bnbsp=3B&=3Bnbsp=3B&=3Bnbsp=3B Regarding = rTMS=2C it is still being worked on quite =3D
>=3B extensively=2C and = as the International Federation of Clinicial Neurophysiolo=3D
>=3B gy = puts it in a brochure &=3Bquot=3B[the] therapeutic=3D20
>=3B = potential of rTMS is still being studied and should not be consider=3D>=3B ed=3D20
>=3B proven.&=3Bquot=3B (<=3Ba href=3D3D"= http://www1.elsevier.com/homepage/sah/ifc=3D
>=3B n/doc/rtms-inf.htm"&= gt=3Bhttp://www1.elsevier.com/homepage/sah/ifcn/doc/rtms-inf=3D
>=3B .= htm<=3B/a>=3B).<=3Bbr>=3B<=3Bbr>=3B&=3Bnbsp=3B&=3Bnbsp=3B= &=3Bnbsp=3B&=3Bnbsp=3B So=2C perhaps in the future=2C rTMS =3D
>= =3B could work out the connection vs. Origin problem=2C but at the time of = my wri=3D
>=3B ting=2C this has not&=3Bnbsp=3B been done.&=3Bnbs= p=3B TMS can not be used in this way=2C =3D
>=3B and neither can fMRI = (since fMRI is merely correlational).&=3Bnbsp=3B So=2C as for=3D
>= =3B today=2C the question still needs to be answered.&=3Bnbsp=3B The re= ason it is imp=3D
>=3B ortant to answer this (or why it matters) to me= doesn&=3B#39=3Bt really matter=2C =3D
>=3B its simply the fact tha= t it hasn&=3B#39=3Bt been answered that intrigues me.&=3Bnbs=3D
&g= t=3B p=3B However=2C I would imagine that in the very near future=2C we wil= l be able t=3D
>=3B o repair connections=2C in various parts of the br= ain=2C well before we could r=3D
>=3B eplace a whole brain region (it = would take me many pages to go into depth o=3D
>=3B n this).<=3Bbr&g= t=3B
>=3B <=3Bbr>=3B&=3Bnbsp=3B&=3Bnbsp=3B&=3Bnbsp=3B The= last thing we disagree on=2C is when you claimed:<=3B=3D
>=3B br>= =3B&=3Bquot=3Beach individual with a particular disorder communicates wh= at his/h=3D
>=3B er abnormal perception&=3Bquot=3B<=3Bbr>=3BTo = me=2C the last thing we want to do when an=3D
>=3B swering what the fu= nction of a brain region is=2C is to ask the person that j=3D
>=3B ust= had brain trauma.<=3Bbr>=3B
>=3B <=3Bbr>=3B&=3Bnbsp=3B&= =3Bnbsp=3B&=3Bnbsp=3B&=3Bnbsp=3B Finally=2C as far as neuropsychology= improving p=3D
>=3B eoples lives=2C I would say the short answer is t= hat it certainly already doe=3D
>=3B s.&=3Bnbsp=3B My girlfriends f= ather had massive head trauma in a car accident=2C a=3D
>=3B nd she cl= aims he has definitely had major personality changes.&=3Bnbsp=3B His wi= =3D
>=3B fe (my girlfriends mother) gives him an incredibly hard time = about having l=3D
>=3B ittle motivation to do things.&=3Bnbsp=3B If= we all (her included) understood th=3D
>=3B e structure and function = of the brain as it relates to specific psychologic=3D
>=3B al processe= s and overt behaviors (the very definition of neuropsychology) w=3D
>= =3B e could not only help in treatment=2C but also help in our understandin= g of a=3D
>=3B ll psychological behavior.&=3Bnbsp=3B Once you reali= ze that all behavior is rela=3D
>=3B ted to a physical organ in your b= ody=2C and that organ is subject to genes=2C e=3D
>=3B nvironmental ch= anges/trauma and other factors=2C it totally changes (at least=3D
>=3B= it did mine) your whole outlook on things like free will=2C personality= =2C con=3D
>=3B ciousness and other very intriguing questions=2C that = neuropsychology can ans=3D
>=3B wer.&=3Bnbsp=3B The study of the br= ain can begin to answer things that no other =3D
>=3B field of science= can begin to touch=2C but that is another discussion.<=3Bbr>=3B
>= =3B <=3Bbr>=3BP.S. I would be hard pressed to approach any Dr. and tell= them that the=3D
>=3B ir knowledge is limited=2C especially about the= brain=2C simply because it woul=3D
>=3B d not be my place to do so.&a= mp=3Bnbsp=3B However=2C I would hope that they agree wit=3D
>=3B h me= =2C that they indeed only begin to understand.&=3Bnbsp=3B They are just = human =3D
>=3B after all :)<=3Bbr>=3B
>=3B <=3Bbr>=3B<= =3Bbr>=3B<=3Bdiv class=3D3D"gmail_quote">=3BOn Sat=2C Sep 27=2C 2008 = at 12:57 AM=2C Justin=3D
>=3B Potts <=3Bspan dir=3D3D"ltr">=3B&am= p=3Blt=3B<=3Ba href=3D3D"mailto:justin.potts@utah.edu">=3Bjusti=3D
&= gt=3B n.potts@utah.edu<=3B/a>=3B&=3Bgt=3B<=3B/span>=3B wrote:<= =3Bbr>=3B<=3Bblockquote class=3D3D"gmail_quote"=3D
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>=3B 8ex=3B padding-left: 1ex=3B">=3B
>=3B Jon -<=3Bbr>= =3B
>=3B <=3Bbr>=3B
>=3B I wouldn&=3B#39=3Bt want you to b= e a sad sad boy. =3D3D) Your reply to Steve&=3B#39=3Bs=3D
>=3B com= ment about apperceptive agnosia was probably more then he was expecting=3D<= br>>=3B . You definitely said a mouthful=2C or a brainful I should say=2C= of very perti=3D
>=3B nent information. But I don&=3B#39=3Bt think= Steve was talking about the incredi=3D
>=3B ble amount of solid infor= mation neuropsychology has provided or implied tha=3D
>=3B t he doesn&= amp=3B#39=3Bt realize the limits of neuropsychology (I wouldn&=3B#39=3Bt= say =3D
>=3B flaws=2C scientists are well aware of the limitations.) = His questions were cu=3D
>=3B riosities and definitely answerable with= current knowledge=2C except him want=3D
>=3B ing to know first hand h= ow a person with apperceptive agnosia sees the worl=3D
>=3B d exactly = (without actually having it himself.) This=2C like you implied=2C wou=3D>=3B ld depend on the person since all our brains are unique.<=3Bbr>= =3B
>=3B
>=3B <=3Bbr>=3B
>=3B Although=2C a relatively = new technology called repetitive transcranial magnet=3D
>=3B ic stimul= ation (rTMS) disrupts cognitive processing (called a &=3Bquot=3Bvirtual= =3D
>=3B lesion&=3Bquot=3B) and actually &=3Bquot=3Bturns off&a= mp=3Bquot=3B certain parts of the brai=3D
>=3B n=3B it is non-invasive= =2C painless=2C and used on humans. With this tool it migh=3D
>=3B t b= e possible to temporarily experience &=3Bquot=3Bfirst hand&=3Bquot=3B= what it woul=3D
>=3B d be like to have apperceptive agnosia. How cool= would that be? Or how dist=3D
>=3B urbing I should say?<=3Bbr>=3B=
>=3B
>=3B <=3Bbr>=3B
>=3B With TMS=2C rTMS=2C and fMRI= I can imagine it is possible to discern between ar=3D
>=3B eas of the= brain that are merely relay stations or &=3Bquot=3Bconnections&=3Bqu= ot=3B =3D
>=3B and the area that is the final synthesizer of informati= on and endows percep=3D
>=3B tion. But does it really matter if Broca&= amp=3B#39=3Bs area is HQ for language comp=3D
>=3B rehension or just a= connector to HQ? Both are equally important right? Knoc=3D
>=3B k one= out the other becomes superfluous. Unless the brain is better able to=3D>=3B find replace connections to HQ then to outright replace HQ.<=3B= br>=3B
>=3B
>=3B <=3Bbr>=3B
>=3B True peoples brains = are organized uniquely but it&=3B#39=3Bs obvious that neurop=3D
>= =3B sychological disorders exist (even though discovered by a handful of ca= se s=3D
>=3B tudies) because each individual with a particular disorde= r communicates wha=3D
>=3B t his/her abnormal perception is and compar= ed with others with similiar abn=3D
>=3B ormal perceptions enough simi= larities are present to create a generalized c=3D
>=3B ategory=3B even= though their lesion may not be in the exact same places. It i=3D
>=3B= s assumed that although in different places each lesioned area has the sam= e=3D
>=3B function.<=3Bbr>=3B
>=3B
>=3B <=3Bbr>=3B=
>=3B I definitely agree that just because a person is diagnosed with = a disorder/=3D
>=3B disease=2C of any kind=2C does not mean that his/h= er experience is identical to=3D
>=3B another with the exact same dia= gnosis. This is true of any diagnosis in or=3D
>=3B outside of psycho= logy. However=2C enough similarities exist to group them to=3D
>=3B ge= ther. That&=3B#39=3Bs what we do. We group=2C categorize=2C label=2C rel= ate=2C correla=3D
>=3B te=2C and segregate. For convenience and for pr= acticality. Science is after g=3D
>=3B eneralizations. We can definite= ly say that certain areas of the brain have =3D
>=3B certain functions= =2C just because those areas are in varying places among hum=3D
>=3B a= ns doesn&=3B#39=3Bt mean this information isn&=3B#39=3Bt valuable or = helpful. It can=3D
>=3B give you the general or perhaps the averaged = human brain. This is helpful =3D
>=3B in neurosurgery but they still d= irectly stimulate areas of the brain=2C while=3D
>=3B in surgery=2C t= o determine the exact location of functions=2C so to not excise=3D
>= =3B them. Hypothetically there are innumerable amount of &=3Bquot=3Bdis= orders&=3Bquot=3B=3D
>=3B that a person could have.<=3Bbr>=3B<= br>>=3B
>=3B <=3Bbr>=3B
>=3B All this has brought me to a = question: what is the point of neuropsychology=3D
>=3B ? Besides aidin= g in neurosurgery does any of this knowledge improve a human=3D
>=3B = beings life? We diagnose=2C we understand or think we do=2C are intrigued= =2C and=3D
>=3B can explain to an afflicted person *why* they are exp= eriencing problems=2C w=3D
>=3B hich possibly may alleviate their stre= ss to a degree. Such as Jonathan I.=2C =3D
>=3B the color-blind painte= r in oliver sacks article=2C was relieved when they cou=3D
>=3B ld tel= l him that he wasn&=3B#39=3Bt suffering from hysteria (yet at the same t= im=3D
>=3B e he wished it was.) But what else could they do for him? W= hat can we do fo=3D
>=3B r a person suffering from any of the agnosias= =2C except study them? We&=3B#39=3Bve=3D
>=3B identified neurotran= smitters that have been implicated in a wide variety o=3D
>=3B f disor= ders=2C within and without psychology=2C and have formulated pharmacolog=3D=
>=3B ical interventions some of which successful and one could say ha= ve improved=3D
>=3B peoples life&=3B#39=3Bs. Although placebo&= =3B#39=3Bs are very close in effectiveness=3D
>=3B =2C which is somewh= at disturbing. Is that what neuropsychology is all about? =3D
>=3B Hel= ping the medical establishment to &=3Bquot=3Bcure&=3Bquot=3B diseases= ?<=3Bbr>=3B
>=3B
>=3B <=3Bbr>=3B
>=3B From what I u= nderstand its original intention was to tie abstract psycholog=3D
>=3B= ical concepts to brain structures=2C and in some manner making them more c= onc=3D
>=3B rete or &=3Bquot=3Breal&=3Bquot=3B. Lesions and what= not are good for knowledge and u=3D
>=3B nderstanding. What if we kne= w for absolute certain what every little chunk =3D
>=3B and piece of t= he brain did and how exactly it operated=2C processed=2C and inte=3D
>= =3B racted with surrounding brain tissue? You could formulate medical inter= vent=3D
>=3B ions. For psychological purposes though it just solidifie= s concepts and pro=3D
>=3B cesses=2C although eventually all these fie= lds will combine=2C as is already ha=3D
>=3B ppening - neuroscience is= a hybrid science. Plasticity is very interesting =3D
>=3B thing but i= t happens naturally without human intervention. Understanding ho=3D
>= =3B w it works however might allow us to control it and induce it when natu= rall=3D
>=3B y it would not. All this knowledge is bound to pay off on= some level isn&=3B#3=3D
>=3B 9=3Bt it? Understanding is the key to= action. Anyway=2C I&=3B#39=3Bm going way off h=3D
>=3B ere=2C I ap= ologize.<=3Bbr>=3B
>=3B
>=3B <=3Bbr>=3B
>=3B To wra= p up my wordy reply I&=3B#39=3Bd say we do have a lot of answers=2C or p= oten=3D
>=3B tial answers. And I&=3B#39=3Bd argue we understand qui= te a lot about neuropsycho=3D
>=3B logy and especially neurobiology. P= erhaps not very much relative to how muc=3D
>=3B h there IS to know bu= t quite a lot in my opinion. Enough for whole classes =3D
>=3B to be t= aught on the subjects and for individuals to dedicate their entire l=3D
= >=3B ives to the study of. Ask Dr. Strayer=2C Dr. Watson=2C or Dr. Kesner= about neur=3D
>=3B obiology or neuropsychology and they&=3B#39=3Bd= have volumes to say. How much we=3D
>=3B /they know is an opinion. Bu= t I&=3B#39=3Bd be hard pressed to approach Dr. Stray=3D
>=3B er and= say to him=2C &=3Bquot=3Byou don&=3B#39=3Bt know very much about the= brain.&=3Bquot=3D
>=3B =3B<=3Bbr>=3B
>=3B
>=3B <= =3Bfont color=3D3D"#888888">=3B<=3Bbr>=3B
>=3B -Justin Potts<= =3Bbr>=3B
>=3B <=3B/font>=3B<=3Bbr>=3B
>=3B P.S. I hope= this reply hasn&=3B#39=3Bt inflamed you. Not my intention at all. I =3D=
>=3B hope you are a happy happy boy!<=3Bbr>=3B
>=3B <=3Bdi= v>=3B<=3Bdiv>=3B<=3B/div>=3B<=3Bdiv class=3D3D"Wj3C7c">=3B<= =3Bbr>=3B
>=3B <=3Bbr>=3B
>=3B -----Original Message-----&l= t=3Bbr>=3B
>=3B From: <=3Ba href=3D3D"mailto:psych3120-admin@lists= .csbs.utah.edu">=3Bpsych3120-admi=3D
>=3B n@lists.csbs.utah.edu<= =3B/a>=3B on behalf of Jon Hall<=3Bbr>=3B
>=3B Sent: Thu 9/25/20= 08 2:07 PM<=3Bbr>=3B
>=3B To: <=3Ba href=3D3D"mailto:psych3120@l= ists.csbs.utah.edu">=3Bpsych3120@lists.csbs.u=3D
>=3B tah.edu<=3B/= a>=3B<=3Bbr>=3B
>=3B Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Apperceptive agnos= ia<=3Bbr>=3B
>=3B <=3Bbr>=3B
>=3B You need to realize the= limits and incredible flaws of neuropsychology in g=3D
>=3B eneral.&l= t=3Bbr>=3B
>=3B <=3Bbr>=3B
>=3B The first=2C is that many n= europsychological disorders are present in only a =3D
>=3B handful of = cases. &=3Bnbsp=3BFor example=2C Roger W. Sperry (who won the noble pri= =3D
>=3B ze) did the famous studies on split brain patients=2C which l= ed the the theor=3D
>=3B y that different halves of the brain do diffe= rent things. &=3Bnbsp=3BHe had some=3D
>=3B thing like only 6 cases= (subjects)=2C all of them had their corpus callosum c=3D
>=3B ut beca= use they were suffering from hundreds of seisures a day. &=3Bnbsp=3BNot = t=3D
>=3B o mention that in order to sever the corpus callosum=2C they= LITERALLY had to=3D
>=3B pry open the brain like prying two metal ba= rs apart to reach it and cut it=3D
>=3B . &=3Bnbsp=3BHow similar do= you think their brains were to ours=2C before and afte=3D
>=3B r this= was done? &=3Bnbsp=3BBrains have an incredible variation from person to= p=3D
>=3B erson=2C even something like language is not always in the = same side of the b=3D
>=3B rain=2C let alone the same spot. &=3Bnbs= p=3BThis goes along with what we were talk=3D
>=3B ing about plasticit= y.<=3Bbr>=3B
>=3B
>=3B <=3Bbr>=3B
>=3B The second p= roblem is the variation in leisons of humans. &=3Bnbsp=3BA lot of ne=3D<= br>>=3B uropsychological disorders are discovered by only a handful of ca= se studies=3D
>=3B =2C and each of these people have a very different = brain=2C and a very differen=3D
>=3B t lesion. &=3Bnbsp=3BIts not e= ven close to exact=2C because 1) peoples brains vary=3D
>=3B to begin= with=2C and 2) the damage varies by a great deal too=2C even if it is=3D>=3B in the same area. &=3Bnbsp=3BSome researchers turn to animals= =2C like rats=2C to do=3D
>=3B their research. &=3Bnbsp=3BThis is = a reasonable solution=2C because now you can h=3D
>=3B ave more precis= e data over a large group (thus combatting variation)=2C howev=3D
>=3B= er it is flawed because=2C even though we are closely related to chimpanze= es=2C=3D
>=3B our brains have evolved in seperate directions=2C and y= ou have the disadvant=3D
>=3B age that they can&=3B#39=3Bt communic= ate and tell you whats wrong.<=3Bbr>=3B
>=3B
>=3B <=3Bbr&g= t=3B
>=3B Another problem with all of it=2C is that you never know whe= ther or not the a=3D
>=3B rea you removed is actually what caused the = loss of behavior. &=3Bnbsp=3BFor exa=3D
>=3B mple=2C lets say I wer= e to remove your &=3Bquot=3BBrocas area&=3Bquot=3B which is thoug=3D<= br>>=3B ht to be important for language. &=3Bnbsp=3BI can never really= know if that part=3D
>=3B of your brain is actually used for languag= e=2C or if it simply CONNECTS an a=3D
>=3B rea used for language with = another=2C and I only took out the connection. &=3Bnb=3D
>=3B sp=3B= This is an incredibly hard problem to solve (I have a few ideas myself o=3D=
>=3B n how to solve it=2C but thats like an hour discussion=2C and it= s probably immo=3D
>=3B ral/unethical anyways).<=3Bbr>=3B
>= =3B
>=3B <=3Bbr>=3B
>=3B The final problem=2C is the general= problem of diagnosing any psychological d=3D
>=3B isease/condition. &= amp=3Bnbsp=3BJust because we have two people=2C and we diagnose th=3D
&g= t=3B em both with having apperceptive agnosia=2C it doesnt mean their condi= tion is=3D
>=3B identical.<=3Bbr>=3B
>=3B
>=3B <=3Bb= r>=3B
>=3B The &=3Bquot=3Btake home message&=3Bquot=3B is=2C t= hat if you watch videos of clinical =3D
>=3B neuropsychologists workin= g on a disease=2C sometimes its even hard to know wh=3D
>=3B at diseas= e the person has even if you just finishing learning about it=2C its=3D
= >=3B not as if it NEVER works=2C or if its completely broken. &=3Bnbs= p=3BPeoples brain=3D
>=3B s vary=2C and even though some textbooks/cou= rses/professors/students talk abo=3D
>=3B ut things like apperceptive = agnosia=2C like you can never perceive visual sti=3D
>=3B muli=2C the = truth is=2C we have no idea what its REALLY like=2C unless we have it=3D>=3B =2C and even then... you wouldn&=3B#39=3Bt even be able to accur= ately tell scienti=3D
>=3B sts whats wrong.<=3Bbr>=3B
>=3B >=3B <=3Bbr>=3B
>=3B The truth to keep in mind is=2C we don&am= p=3B#39=3Bt understand very much about the b=3D
>=3B rain=2C from the = neuropsychology piece all the way down to the neurobiology=2C =3D
>=3B= all the way down to the genetic basis. &=3Bnbsp=3BWe don&=3B#39=3Bt = have a lot of ans=3D
>=3B wers=2C but we are working on it.<=3Bbr>= =3B
>=3B
>=3B <=3Bbr>=3B
>=3B To relate this back to yo= ur question=2C you would have to have the disease to=3D
>=3B really b= e able to say if it would be worth it=2C and it would also depend on=3D
= >=3B the extent of the damage.<=3Bbr>=3B
>=3B <=3Bbr>=3B>=3B P.S. &=3Bnbsp=3BIf I wrote all this and don&=3B#39=3Bt get a = reply back=2C I will be a =3D
>=3B sad sad boy :)<=3Bbr>=3B
>= =3B <=3Bbr>=3B
>=3B On Thu=2C Sep 25=2C 2008 at 12:34 PM=2C Steve = Burton &=3Blt=3B<=3Ba href=3D3D"mailto:skifre=3D
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>=3B <=3Bbr>=3B
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>=3B &=3Bnb= sp=3B &=3Bnbsp=3B &=3Bnbsp=3B &=3Bnbsp=3BI think the concept of ap= perceptive agnosia is =3D
>=3B very interesting. I wonder if people su= ffering from this disorder actually =3D
>=3B choose to use their sight= or if they choose to cover their eyes (like the p=3D
>=3B erson that = had his sight restored) I think it would be interesting to know =3D
>= =3B first hand how people exactly view the world that have apperceptive agn= osia=3D
>=3B . I think a reason why this particular disorder is so dif= ficult is because =3D
>=3B the person isn&=3B#39=3Bt blind but are = not able to use some of the most importa=3D
>=3B nt cues from their vi= sion. This fact has to be very frustrating! I wonder i=3D
>=3B f they = are able to adapt in anyway?<=3Bbr>=3B
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Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn =9310 hidde= n secrets=94 from Jamie. Learn Now = --_e867d516-d4cf-4b87-acde-69da25a07fed_-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Wed Oct 1 18:37:05 2008 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Angela Johnson) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:37:05 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] selective attention and keys Message-ID: --_2e586f76-be00-4492-ba87-836a6e59fbd8_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had an experience just the other day in which I tried to intentionally us= e selective attention. I was on my way out the door when I realized that I= didn't have my keys with me=2C so I went back into the house and looked fo= r them. I tried searching through the kitchen=2C the dining room=2C my bed= room=2C and every other room in the house. I knew exactly what they looked= like=2C however=2C I couldn't seem to find them. I was in a hurry to make= it to class on time and gave up looking after about ten minutes. Thankful= ly=2C my roommate was able to take me to school. The really annoying thing = about this entire experience=2C though=2C was that as soon as I arrived bac= k at home=2C I saw my keys almost immediately after I entered my room. The= y were sitting in plain sight on the corner of my desk. Why would this hav= e happened if I deliberately tried to selectively process relevant informat= ion (i.e. finding my keys) while=2C at the same time=2C trying to disregard= irrelevant information (i.e. all of the other items that were in those roo= ms)? Finding my keys was something that I really wanted to do=2C so it cou= ldn't be because I unconciously didn't want to find my keys. Could it be t= hat my arousal level was so high because I was in such a hurry that it actu= ally prevented me from being able to selectively focus my attention? Or do= es it have something to do with conjunction search?= --_2e586f76-be00-4492-ba87-836a6e59fbd8_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had an experience just the other day in which I tried to intentionally us= e selective attention. =3B I was on my way out the door when I realized= that I didn't have my keys with me=2C so I went back into the house and lo= oked for them. =3B I tried searching through the kitchen=2C the dining = room=2C my bedroom=2C and every other room in the house. =3B I knew exa= ctly what they looked like=2C however=2C I couldn't seem to find them. = =3B I was in a hurry to make it to class on time and gave up looking after = about ten minutes. =3B Thankfully=2C my roommate was able to take me to= school. The really annoying thing about this entire experience=2C though= =2C was that as soon as I arrived back at home=2C I saw my keys almost imme= diately =3Bafter I =3Bentered my room. =3B They were sitting in= plain sight on the corner of my desk. =3B Why would this have happened= if I deliberately tried to selectively process relevant information (i.e. = finding my keys) while=2C at the same time=2C =3Btrying to =3Bdisre= gard =3Birrelevant information (i.e. all of the other items that were i= n those rooms)? =3B Finding my keys was something that I really wanted = to do=2C so it couldn't be because I unconciously didn't want to find my ke= ys. =3B Could it be that my arousal level was so high because I was in = such a hurry that it actually prevented me from being able to selectively f= ocus my attention? =3B Or does it have something to do with conjunction= search? = --_2e586f76-be00-4492-ba87-836a6e59fbd8_-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Wed Oct 1 19:19:19 2008 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Alison Jean Kunz) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:19:19 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Post 4 - Attention References: <200810011618.m91GHZLh017977@topo.csbs.utah.edu> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C923F2.38A77F19 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Back when I took Intro to Psychology with Dr. Alexander, he showed us a = couple of video demonstrations about attention. One of them was the = professor with the door and student switch. The other, and probably my = favorite, was one in which two groups of students are throwing a = basketball around and you are instructed to count the amount of passes = or catches a certain team makes. After watching it once, we were asked = if we saw a gorilla walk through the middle of the game. I was = completely fooled! Upon a second viewing, sure enough there was a = gorilla! It is amazing to me that our minds are powerful enough to = completely shut out other stimuli while deeply focused. 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It was kind of = funny because as I was reading the part about attention being limited, I = realized that not only was I trying to read but I was also listening to = my ipod and eating an apple all at the same time. I figured that it = would probably be best to have focused/sustained attention and only = concentrate on the most important task at that moment which was reading = the chapter.=20 =20 The part that I found interesting in the book was how tasks become = automatic so you need little attentional resources to complete certain = tasks. I applied that to my life with my work. I have been at the same = job for over five years and there are just certain things that I really = don't need to pay attention to just because I have done these tasks so = many times and that it has just become automatic for me to do these = tasks. Every once in a while, however, I have to stop and think for a = moment after I have completed a task to make sure I did it correctly = just because I didn't really think about it while I was doing it. This = chapter has been interesting to read. =20 Kristina Chappell ------_=_NextPart_001_01C92424.A8D4EBAA Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A=
I started reading = chapter 4 last week about attention. It was kind of funny because as I = was reading the part about attention being limited, I realized that = not only was I trying to read but I was also listening to my ipod and = eating an apple all at the same time. I figured that it would = probably be best to have focused/sustained attention and only = concentrate on the most important task at that moment which was reading = the chapter.
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The part that I found = interesting in the book was how tasks become automatic so you need = little attentional resources to complete certain tasks. I applied = that to my life with my work. I have been at the same job for over five = years and there are just certain things that I really don't need to pay = attention to just because I have done these tasks so many times and that = it has just become automatic for me to do these tasks. Every once in a = while, however, I have to stop and think for a moment after I have = completed a task to make sure I did it correctly just because I didn't = really think about it while I was doing it. This chapter has been = interesting to read.
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C92424.A8D4EBAA-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Thu Oct 2 02:17:22 2008 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Aubrey Ann Meyer) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 19:17:22 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] RE: Psych3120 digest, Vol 1 #1245 - 1 msg References: <200810011804.m91I3bWm019651@topo.csbs.utah.edu> Message-ID: <0460AC82E0208644881D744087B595FD1BCF27@CAMPUSV4.xds.umail.utah.edu> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C9242C.9F360088 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I also had an experience with selective attention and the attenuation = filter theory the other day when I was out to lunch. I was having a = conversation with the person I was at lunch with, and I was really = listening intently, or so I thought. We had been talking for a while = when all of a sudden a couple from a table some ways away from us were = discussing the Bailout Bill. Just the word alone grabbed my attention, = and I stopped listening to my boyfriend for a minute. We don't realize = how often we filter things out, because if we listened to everything our = lives would be chaotic. This also reminds me of a scene from Bruce = Almighty when he is able to listen to all of the peoples prayers, but = then he is listening to them all at the same time. It got difficult to = be able to hear even one of them, so selective attention is helpful = because we are able to focus more in our hectic lives. Aubrey Meyer -----Original Message----- From: psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu on behalf of = psych3120-request@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sent: Wed 10/1/2008 12:03 PM To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: Psych3120 digest, Vol 1 #1245 - 1 msg =20 Send Psych3120 mailing list submissions to psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to psych3120-request@lists.csbs.utah.edu You can reach the person managing the list at psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Psych3120 digest..." Today's Topics: 1. selective attention and keys (Angela Johnson) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Angela Johnson To: Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:37:05 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] selective attention and keys Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu --_2e586f76-be00-4492-ba87-836a6e59fbd8_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had an experience just the other day in which I tried to intentionally = us=3D e selective attention. I was on my way out the door when I realized = that I=3D didn't have my keys with me=3D2C so I went back into the house and = looked fo=3D r them. I tried searching through the kitchen=3D2C the dining room=3D2C = my bed=3D room=3D2C and every other room in the house. I knew exactly what they = looked=3D like=3D2C however=3D2C I couldn't seem to find them. I was in a hurry = to make=3D it to class on time and gave up looking after about ten minutes. = Thankful=3D ly=3D2C my roommate was able to take me to school. The really annoying = thing =3D about this entire experience=3D2C though=3D2C was that as soon as I = arrived bac=3D k at home=3D2C I saw my keys almost immediately after I entered my room. = The=3D y were sitting in plain sight on the corner of my desk. Why would this = hav=3D e happened if I deliberately tried to selectively process relevant = informat=3D ion (i.e. finding my keys) while=3D2C at the same time=3D2C trying to = disregard=3D irrelevant information (i.e. all of the other items that were in those = roo=3D ms)? Finding my keys was something that I really wanted to do=3D2C so = it cou=3D ldn't be because I unconciously didn't want to find my keys. Could it = be t=3D hat my arousal level was so high because I was in such a hurry that it = actu=3D ally prevented me from being able to selectively focus my attention? Or = do=3D es it have something to do with conjunction search?=3D --_2e586f76-be00-4492-ba87-836a6e59fbd8_ Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had an experience just the other day in which I tried to intentionally = us=3D e selective attention. =3D3B I was on my way out the door when I = realized=3D that I didn't have my keys with me=3D2C so I went back into the house = and lo=3D oked for them. =3D3B I tried searching through the kitchen=3D2C the = dining =3D room=3D2C my bedroom=3D2C and every other room in the house. =3D3B I = knew exa=3D ctly what they looked like=3D2C however=3D2C I couldn't seem to find = them. =3D =3D3B I was in a hurry to make it to class on time and gave up looking = after =3D about ten minutes. =3D3B Thankfully=3D2C my roommate was able to = take me to=3D school. The really annoying thing about this entire experience=3D2C = though=3D =3D2C was that as soon as I arrived back at home=3D2C I saw my keys = almost imme=3D diately =3D3Bafter I =3D3Bentered my room. =3D3B They were = sitting in=3D plain sight on the corner of my desk. =3D3B Why would this have = happened=3D if I deliberately tried to selectively process relevant information = (i.e. =3D finding my keys) while=3D2C at the same time=3D2C =3D3Btrying = to =3D3Bdisre=3D gard =3D3Birrelevant information (i.e. all of the other items that = were i=3D n those rooms)? =3D3B Finding my keys was something that I really = wanted =3D to do=3D2C so it couldn't be because I unconciously didn't want to find = my ke=3D ys. =3D3B Could it be that my arousal level was so high because I = was in =3D such a hurry that it actually prevented me from being able to = selectively f=3D ocus my attention? =3D3B Or does it have something to do with = conjunction=3D search? =3D 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He is so good at ignoring or 'filtering' out things that are not of importance to him. For instance, when he is watching football I can be telling him something about maybe my friend or shopping trip and he doesn't respond or anything(yeah I know, guys don't care about that stuff ha ha) but if I say something of interest to him (sports, politics, sex, guns, hunting, a funny movie or action packed one, etc. etc.) then he perks up and can respond very well while still watching his beloved football game! It is really amazing how our mind works to help us to not be overstimulated in our world and how it helps us to perform well on important tasks at the time and filter out things that are not important at the time. As I was reading about the selective attention, I suddenly noticed so many more things that were going on, such as a really annoying buzzing noise an appliance was making that I had not noticed up until that point but then it took my attention. I really enjoy this topic of attention, it is so interesting to me. -Rachelle Park -----Original Message----- From: psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu [mailto:psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu] On Behalf Of Aubrey Ann Meyer Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 7:17 PM To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: RE: Psych3120 digest, Vol 1 #1245 - 1 msg I also had an experience with selective attention and the attenuation filter theory the other day when I was out to lunch. I was having a conversation with the person I was at lunch with, and I was really listening intently, or so I thought. We had been talking for a while when all of a sudden a couple from a table some ways away from us were discussing the Bailout Bill. Just the word alone grabbed my attention, and I stopped listening to my boyfriend for a minute. We don't realize how often we filter things out, because if we listened to everything our lives would be chaotic. This also reminds me of a scene from Bruce Almighty when he is able to listen to all of the peoples prayers, but then he is listening to them all at the same time. It got difficult to be able to hear even one of them, so selective attention is helpful because we are able to focus more in our hectic lives. Aubrey Meyer -----Original Message----- From: psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu on behalf of psych3120-request@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sent: Wed 10/1/2008 12:03 PM To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: Psych3120 digest, Vol 1 #1245 - 1 msg Send Psych3120 mailing list submissions to psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to psych3120-request@lists.csbs.utah.edu You can reach the person managing the list at psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Psych3120 digest..." Today's Topics: 1. selective attention and keys (Angela Johnson) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Angela Johnson To: Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:37:05 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] selective attention and keys Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu --_2e586f76-be00-4492-ba87-836a6e59fbd8_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had an experience just the other day in which I tried to intentionally us= e selective attention. I was on my way out the door when I realized that I= didn't have my keys with me=2C so I went back into the house and looked fo= r them. I tried searching through the kitchen=2C the dining room=2C my bed= room=2C and every other room in the house. I knew exactly what they looked= like=2C however=2C I couldn't seem to find them. I was in a hurry to make= it to class on time and gave up looking after about ten minutes. Thankful= ly=2C my roommate was able to take me to school. The really annoying thing = about this entire experience=2C though=2C was that as soon as I arrived bac= k at home=2C I saw my keys almost immediately after I entered my room. The= y were sitting in plain sight on the corner of my desk. Why would this hav= e happened if I deliberately tried to selectively process relevant informat= ion (i.e. finding my keys) while=2C at the same time=2C trying to disregard= irrelevant information (i.e. all of the other items that were in those roo= ms)? Finding my keys was something that I really wanted to do=2C so it cou= ldn't be because I unconciously didn't want to find my keys. Could it be t= hat my arousal level was so high because I was in such a hurry that it actu= ally prevented me from being able to selectively focus my attention? Or do= es it have something to do with conjunction search?= --_2e586f76-be00-4492-ba87-836a6e59fbd8_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had an experience just the other day in which I tried to intentionally us= e selective attention. =3B I was on my way out the door when I realized= that I didn't have my keys with me=2C so I went back into the house and lo= oked for them. =3B I tried searching through the kitchen=2C the dining = room=2C my bedroom=2C and every other room in the house. =3B I knew exa= ctly what they looked like=2C however=2C I couldn't seem to find them. = =3B I was in a hurry to make it to class on time and gave up looking after = about ten minutes. =3B Thankfully=2C my roommate was able to take me to= school. The really annoying thing about this entire experience=2C though= =2C was that as soon as I arrived back at home=2C I saw my keys almost imme= diately =3Bafter I =3Bentered my room. =3B They were sitting in= plain sight on the corner of my desk. =3B Why would this have happened= if I deliberately tried to selectively process relevant information (i.e. = finding my keys) while=2C at the same time=2C =3Btrying to =3Bdisre= gard =3Birrelevant information (i.e. all of the other items that were i= n those rooms)? =3B Finding my keys was something that I really wanted = to do=2C so it couldn't be because I unconciously didn't want to find my ke= ys. =3B Could it be that my arousal level was so high because I was in = such a hurry that it actually prevented me from being able to selectively f= ocus my attention? =3B Or does it have something to do with conjunction= search? = --_2e586f76-be00-4492-ba87-836a6e59fbd8_-- --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Psych3120 mailing list Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 End of Psych3120 Digest --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individuals or entities to whom they are addressed and are not to be disclosed to any other party. If you have received this email in error please return it to the sender, and erase any copies thereof. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Thu Oct 2 08:05:03 2008 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Kyle Patton) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 01:05:03 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Re: Psych3120 digest, Vol 1 #1223 - 4 msgs In-Reply-To: <200809191805.m8JI4dOt008715@topo.csbs.utah.edu> References: <200809191805.m8JI4dOt008715@topo.csbs.utah.edu> Message-ID: Since studying for the exam, I've been fascinated with the visual agnosias. I haven't had time to post, so I'm probably digressing from the lecture topics by posting this. I wanted to know in what ways it affects someone with the diagnosis, and how it can be treated. The worst part about receiving one of these diagnoses is that there is no treatment for it. Patients are however given coping strategies, as well as their families. Similar to someone who has no vision at all those with visual agnosias are encouraged to use other senses when identifying objects. In almost all cases, patients will have to change their environments, making them more predictable and consistent. Arranging furniture so that they can maneuver around the house, or laying out their clothes in the same place every morning. These patients can lose their jobs, need help with simple tasks, and have a nearly impossible time recognizing family members visually. These lifestyle changes sound similar to someone who is legally blind. On Sep 19, 2008, at 12:04 PM, psych3120-request@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: > Send Psych3120 mailing list submissions to > psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > psych3120-request@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Psych3120 digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. neuropsychology lecture (KRISTINA CHAPPELL) > 2. Visual Perception real or not? (Steve Burton) > 3. Cognitive problems caused by injury (Geoff Sink) > 4. Number of neurons in our brains. (Richie Mittan) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:11:16 -0600 > From: "KRISTINA CHAPPELL" > To: > Subject: [Psych3120] neuropsychology lecture > Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C919EC.3BA6E6AC > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > I thought the lecture in class today was extremely interesting. I am = > curious to know how many cases have damage to their brain to cause > one = > of these problems and how easy it would be to obtain the damage. I > just = > think that it would be very unfortunate to not be able to recognize = > faces or objects and I personally think I would go crazy if I saw = > everything as if I were looking through a strobe light. I also could > not = > imagine how a painter would feel after experience damage to cause = > achromatopsia. > > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C919EC.3BA6E6AC > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > =0A= > charset=3Dunicode">=0A= > =0A= > =0A= >
I thought the > lecture = > in class today was extremely interesting. I am curious to know how > many = > cases have damage to their brain to cause one of these problems and > how = > easy it would be to obtain the damage. I just think that > it = > would be very unfortunate to not be able to recognize faces or > objects = > and I personally think I would go crazy if I saw everything as > if I = > were looking through a strobe light. I also could not imagine how a = > painter would feel after experience damage to cause = > achromatopsia.
> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C919EC.3BA6E6AC-- > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > From: Steve Burton > To: > Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:50:37 -0600 > Subject: [Psych3120] Visual Perception real or not? > Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > --_a0c78ae7-686a-4d68-907d-2dea4892f9b1_ > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > I found all of the different disorders of Agnosia very interesting. > It amaz= > es me how much visual perception can be affected by injuries to the > brain. = > But after hearing about all of these disorders it makes me wonder > about the= > normal visual system in terms of how we perceive the world around > us. Is t= > he world around us really as it appears or is it just how the > =93normal=94 = > brain puts it together? = > > --_a0c78ae7-686a-4d68-907d-2dea4892f9b1_ > Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > > >
style=3D"FONT-SIZ= > E: 10pt=3B COLOR: #444444=3B LINE-HEIGHT: 115%=3B FONT-FAMILY: > 'Verdana'=2C= > 'sans-serif'">I found all of the different disorders of Agnosia very > intere= > sting. It amazes me how much visual perception can be affected by > injuries = > to the brain. But after hearing about all of these disorders it > makes me wo= > nder about the normal visual system in terms of how we perceive the > world a= > round us. Is the world around us really as it appears or is it just > how the= > =93normal=94 brain puts it together?
> = > > --_a0c78ae7-686a-4d68-907d-2dea4892f9b1_-- > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:37:40 -0700 (PDT) > From: Geoff Sink > To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > Subject: [Psych3120] Cognitive problems caused by injury > Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > I was surprised by the effects of damage to the various areas of the > visual cortex, as I think many people were. It makes sense that by > studying these disorders you would be able to figure out exactly > where in the brain these things were processed. While I was reading > the story by Oliver Sacks I was surprised at the unusual side > effects of achromatopsia on the painter. I never thought that the > inability to see color would affect eating habits. I also thought > that he would have been able to function relatively normally because > he was still able to see light itself. I didn't realize that the > shades of light hitting clouds would be so similar that he wouldn't > be able to distinguish them from the sky. It makes me wonder how > animals without color vision are able to distinguish objects and > survive. I guess they would have more rods and they would be active > at night, when color isn't as important. > > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:48:56 -0700 (PDT) > From: Richie Mittan > To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > Subject: [Psych3120] Number of neurons in our brains. > Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > --0-1568962584-1221846536=:64007 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > In the class we talked about how as humans age they lose up to a 1/4 > of the neurons in their brain. This makes it harder for them to > learn as well as younger people. I have always understood that the > amount of neurons a person's brain has varies between people. Does > this mean that people with more neurons learn better or are smarter > than those with less? Or is it only in relation to your own number > of neurons that losing them has an impact on your learning ability? > > > > --0-1568962584-1221846536=:64007 > Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii > >

In class today when the professor mentioned that drunk driving was safer than cell phone use, it actually mad= e a bit of sense. Unless the drunk is completely belegrent, most likely they st= ill know enough to know that since they are drunk they must be extra cautious a= nd careful while driving. So they may purposely limit some distractors such as= the radio,talking to a passenger or talking on a cell phone and give most of th= eir attention to the road and driving. Where as someone on a cell phone does no= t feel like they are doing naything reckless or against the law(well in most states) so they don’t take extra consideration that they need to pay special attention to the road and drive carefully, instead they drove as th= ey think they “normally” do which being on the phone takes some of their= attention away from driving and they do not drive as they “normally&#= 8221; would drive, instead they drive more recklessly and dangerously. Does this = make sense to anyone?

Rachelle Park

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Subject: [Psych3120] cell ph= ones and driving

When I took research methods last Spring, we did an observational s= tudy that Dr. Strayer had mentioned in class. I found it very interesting that t= he hand-free phone has the same safety risks as a hands-held set. Just assumin= g you might think its the actual mechanism that causes the decrease in drivin= g ability. I think legislators should listen to the hard facts before making = laws that will have no safety effect. It was also fascinating to learn that driv= ing while talking on a cell phone is worse in many ways that drinking while driving. Perhaps a drunk person has less inhibition about his/her surroundi= ngs, but the video clips in class certainly conveyed the reckless driving of tho= se talking on the phone. Now, if only people would change their behavior. Hard= er said than done I suppose.

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=0D Copyright 2007 Amerinet Inc. =0D =0D ------_=_NextPart_001_01C924B7.DFFD32F7-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Thu Oct 2 20:21:26 2008 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Jon Hall) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:21:26 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] cell phones and driving In-Reply-To: References: <2c9afed10810021028p5bd2d460rda1d4be1dd491a71@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: ------=_Part_8222_21473473.1222975286167 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline While driving while at the .08 limit is safer than cell phone use, that is not the same as drunk driving period. The only direction that data should be interpreted as, is that cell phones should be outlawed (and that anyone that drives while talking on one, after knowing the data, is just as guilty as someone that drives while drunk). Another key difference between the two, is that cell phone use can be stopped immediately, while your BAC can not be so easily controlled after getting behind the wheel (obviously). I agree with what you are saying about the complacency of driving while on the phone, since a lot of people just don't realize how harmful it is (or don't want to). On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 11:54 AM, Deus, Rachelle < Rachelle.Deus@amerinet-gpo.com> wrote: > In class today when the professor mentioned that drunk driving was safer > than cell phone use, it actually made a bit of sense. Unless the drunk is > completely belegrent, most likely they still know enough to know that since > they are drunk they must be extra cautious and careful while driving. So > they may purposely limit some distractors such as the radio,talking to a > passenger or talking on a cell phone and give most of their attention to the > road and driving. Where as someone on a cell phone does not feel like they > are doing naything reckless or against the law(well in most states) so they > don't take extra consideration that they need to pay special attention to > the road and drive carefully, instead they drove as they think they > "normally" do which being on the phone takes some of their attention away > from driving and they do not drive as they "normally" would drive, instead > they drive more recklessly and dangerously. Does this make sense to anyone? > > > > > > *Rachelle Park* > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu [mailto: > psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu] *On Behalf Of *Christiana Tawzer > *Sent:* Thursday, October 02, 2008 11:29 AM > *To:* psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > *Subject:* [Psych3120] cell phones and driving > > > > When I took research methods last Spring, we did an observational study > that Dr. Strayer had mentioned in class. I found it very interesting that > the hand-free phone has the same safety risks as a hands-held set. Just > assuming you might think its the actual mechanism that causes the decrease > in driving ability. I think legislators should listen to the hard facts > before making laws that will have no safety effect. It was also fascinating > to learn that driving while talking on a cell phone is worse in many ways > that drinking while driving. Perhaps a drunk person has less inhibition > about his/her surroundings, but the video clips in class certainly conveyed > the reckless driving of those talking on the phone. Now, if only people > would change their behavior. Harder said than done I suppose. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for > the use of the individuals or entities to whom they are addressed > and are not to be disclosed to any other party. > If you have received this email in error please return it to the sender, > and erase any copies thereof. > * > Copyright 2007 Amerinet Inc.* > ------=_Part_8222_21473473.1222975286167 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
While driving while at the .08 limit is safer than cell phone use, that is not the same as drunk driving period. The only direction that data should be interpreted as, is that cell phones should be outlawed (and that anyone that drives while talking on one, after knowing the data, is just as guilty as someone that drives while drunk). Another key difference between the two, is that cell phone use can be stopped immediately, while your BAC can not be so easily controlled after getting behind the wheel (obviously). I agree with what you are saying about the complacency of driving while on the phone, since a lot of people just don't realize how harmful it is (or don't want to).

On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 11:54 AM, Deus, Rachelle <Rachelle.Deus@amerinet-gpo.com> wrote:

In class today when the professor mentioned that drunk driving was safer than cell phone use, it actually made a bit of sense. Unless the drunk is completely belegrent, most likely they still know enough to know that since they are drunk they must be extra cautious and careful while driving. So they may purposely limit some distractors such as the radio,talking to a passenger or talking on a cell phone and give most of their attention to the road and driving. Where as someone on a cell phone does not feel like they are doing naything reckless or against the law(well in most states) so they don't take extra consideration that they need to pay special attention to the road and drive carefully, instead they drove as they think they "normally" do which being on the phone takes some of their attention away from driving and they do not drive as they "normally" would drive, instead they drive more recklessly and dangerously. Does this make sense to anyone?

Rachelle Park

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Subject: [Psych3120] cell phones and driving

When I took research methods last Spring, we did an observational study that Dr. Strayer had mentioned in class. I found it very interesting that the hand-free phone has the same safety risks as a hands-held set. Just assuming you might think its the actual mechanism that causes the decrease in driving ability. I think legislators should listen to the hard facts before making laws that will have no safety effect. It was also fascinating to learn that driving while talking on a cell phone is worse in many ways that drinking while driving. Perhaps a drunk person has less inhibition about his/her surroundings, but the video clips in class certainly conveyed the reckless driving of those talking on the phone. Now, if only people would change their behavior. Harder said than done I suppose.

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------=_Part_8222_21473473.1222975286167-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Thu Oct 2 20:47:46 2008 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Deus, Rachelle) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:47:46 -0400 Subject: [Psych3120] cell phones and driving In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ------_=_NextPart_001_01C924C7.BE948987 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah I realize that drunk driving is never safe, sorry if I did not make that clear (I am personally one hundred percent against it) but I was just trying to make the point about why maybe a .08 limit driver is safer than cell phone use is all. (Sorry I just wanted to make it clear that I do not in anyway condone drunk driving, and apologize if it sounded that way:-) Thank you Jon for your reply :-)) = = Rachelle Park = ________________________________ From: psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu [mailto:psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu] On Behalf Of Jon Hall Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 1:21 PM To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: Re: [Psych3120] cell phones and driving = While driving while at the .08 limit is safer than cell phone use, that is not the same as drunk driving period. The only direction that data should be interpreted as, is that cell phones should be outlawed (and that anyone that drives while talking on one, after knowing the data, is just as guilty as someone that drives while drunk). Another key difference between the two, is that cell phone use can be stopped immediately, while your BAC can not be so easily controlled after getting behind the wheel (obviously). I agree with what you are saying about the complacency of driving while on the phone, since a lot of people just don't realize how harmful it is (or don't want to). = On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 11:54 AM, Deus, Rachelle wrote: In class today when the professor mentioned that drunk driving was safer than cell phone use, it actually made a bit of sense. Unless the drunk is completely belegrent, most likely they still know enough to know that since they are drunk they must be extra cautious and careful while driving. So they may purposely limit some distractors such as the radio,talking to a passenger or talking on a cell phone and give most of their attention to the road and driving. Where as someone on a cell phone does not feel like they are doing naything reckless or against the law(well in most states) so they don't take extra consideration that they need to pay special attention to the road and drive carefully, instead they drove as they think they "normally" do which being on the phone takes some of their attention away from driving and they do not drive as they "normally" would drive, instead they drive more recklessly and dangerously. Does this make sense to anyone? = = Rachelle Park = ________________________________ From: psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu [mailto:psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu] On Behalf Of Christiana Tawzer Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 11:29 AM To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] cell phones and driving = When I took research methods last Spring, we did an observational study that Dr. Strayer had mentioned in class. I found it very interesting that the hand-free phone has the same safety risks as a hands-held set. Just assuming you might think its the actual mechanism that causes the decrease in driving ability. I think legislators should listen to the hard facts before making laws that will have no safety effect. It was also fascinating to learn that driving while talking on a cell phone is worse in many ways that drinking while driving. Perhaps a drunk person has less inhibition about his/her surroundings, but the video clips in class certainly conveyed the reckless driving of those talking on the phone. Now, if only people would change their behavior. Harder said than done I suppose. = ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individuals or entities to whom they are addressed and are not to be disclosed to any other party. If you have received this email in error please return it to the sender, and erase any copies thereof. Copyright 2007 Amerinet Inc. = = ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the us= e of the individuals or entities to whom they are addressed and are not to = be disclosed to any other party. If you have received this email in error p= lease return it to the sender, and erase any copies thereof. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------_=_NextPart_001_01C924C7.BE948987 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yeah I realize that drunk driving is n= ever safe, sorry if I did not make that clear (I am personally one hundred perce= nt against it) but I was just trying to make the point about why maybe a .08 l= imit driver is safer than cell phone use is all. (Sorry I just wanted to make it= clear that I do not in anyway condone drunk driving, and apologize if it sounded that way= J= Thank you Jon for your reply J)=

Rachelle Park

From: psych312= 0-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu [mailto:psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu] On Behalf Of Jon Hall
Sent: Thursday, October 02, = 2008 1:21 PM
To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu
Subject: Re: [Psych3120] cel= l phones and driving

While driving whi= le at the .08 limit is safer than cell phone use, that is not the same as drunk driving period. The only direction that data should be interpreted as= , is that cell phones should be outlawed (and that anyone that drives while talk= ing on one, after knowing the data, is just as guilty as someone that drives wh= ile drunk). Another key difference between the two, is that cell phone us= e can be stopped immediately, while your BAC can not be so easily controlled after getting behind the wheel (obviously). I agree with what you are= saying about the complacency of driving while on the phone, since a lot of people just don't realize how harmful it is (or don't want to). =

On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 11:54 AM, Deus, Rachelle <Rachelle.Deus@amerinet-gpo.c= om> wrote:

In class today when the professor mentioned that drunk driving was safer than cell phone use, it actually made a bit of sense. Unl= ess the drunk is completely belegrent, most likely they still know enough to kn= ow that since they are drunk they must be extra cautious and careful while driving. So they may purposely limit some distractors such as the radio,tal= king to a passenger or talking on a cell phone and give most of their attention = to the road and driving. Where as someone on a cell phone does not feel like t= hey are doing naything reckless or against the law(well in most states) so they= don't take extra consideration that they need to pay special attention to t= he road and drive carefully, instead they drove as they think they "normally" do which being on the phone takes some of their attent= ion away from driving and they do not drive as they "normally" would drive, instead they drive more recklessly and dangerously. Does this make s= ense to anyone?

Rachelle Park

From: psych= 3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu [mailto:psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu] On Behalf Of Christiana Tawz= er
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When I took research methods last Spring, we did an observational study that Dr. Strayer had mentioned in class. I found it very interesting that the hand-f= ree phone has the same safety risks as a hands-held set. Just assuming you migh= t think its the actual mechanism that causes the decrease in driving ability.= I think legislators should listen to the hard facts before making laws that w= ill have no safety effect. It was also fascinating to learn that driving while talking on a cell phone is worse in many ways that drinking while driving. Perhaps a drunk person has less inhibition about his/her surroundings, but = the video clips in class certainly conveyed the reckless driving of those talki= ng on the phone. Now, if only people would change their behavior. Harder said = than done I suppose.

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=0D Copyright 2007 Amerinet Inc. =0D =0D ------_=_NextPart_001_01C924C7.BE948987-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Fri Oct 3 00:18:44 2008 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Gayle Reschke) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 17:18:44 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Divided Attention Message-ID: --_dded728b-6dd2-4919-bf2d-578d3c937c67_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I thought the lecture today was very interesting and insightful=2C especial= ly regarding driving and cell phone use. I found it interesting that it mad= e no difference whether one was holding the cell phone or using a hands fre= e device. Due to the fact that some law makers have approved hands free cel= l phone use while driving=2C and also just because it logically seems to ma= ke sense=2C I assumed it would be safer. But after today's lecture=2C it ma= kes sense that wouldn't be the case because it is our limitations in abilit= y to process too much information and react=2C and the lack of attention th= at is the problem. I do find it interesting that lawmakers don't make their= decisions based on current research. I also was amazed at the differences = between intoxicated drivers and drivers using cell phones - in all the stud= ies done. I expected the results of each to be much closer to each other. I= do wonder why driving and cell phone use doesn't align itself with the Mul= tiple Resource Theory.=20 Gayle Reschke= --_dded728b-6dd2-4919-bf2d-578d3c937c67_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I thought the lecture today was very interesting and insightful=2C especial= ly regarding driving =3Band =3Bcell =3Bphone use. I found it in= teresting that it made no difference whether one was =3Bholding the cel= l phone or using a hands free device. =3BDue to the fact that =3Bso= me law makers have approved hands free cell phone use =3Bwhile driving= =2C and also just because it logically seems to make sense=2C I assumed it&= nbsp=3Bwould be =3Bsafer. But after today's lecture=2C it makes sense t= hat wouldn't be the case because it is our limitations in ability to proces= s too much information and react=2C =3Band the lack of attention that i= s the problem. I do find it =3Binteresting that =3Blawmakers don't = make their decisions based on current research. I also was amazed at the di= fferences between intoxicated drivers and drivers using cell phones - in al= l the studies done. I expected the results of each to be much closer to eac= h other. I do wonder why driving and cell phone use doesn't align itself wi= th the Multiple Resource Theory.
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= --_dded728b-6dd2-4919-bf2d-578d3c937c67_-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Fri Oct 3 02:07:09 2008 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Melanie Swallow) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:07:09 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] attention-week 6 In-Reply-To: <200810022337.m92Nae56016177@topo.csbs.utah.edu> References: <200810022337.m92Nae56016177@topo.csbs.utah.edu> Message-ID: --_24acaf33-2a8c-47bf-84cc-7c5dae57f3bb_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This week's lectures have been so interesting to me=2C even more so than ma= ny of the lectures on perception.=20 One thing that I found really cool was the fact that attention selects obje= ct and not spatial locations=2C like in=20 the lecture slide with the red and blue blobs and the letters. Intuitively= =2C I would have thought that items closer=20 together would be easiest to recognize. I liked being able to make the conn= ection between the perception=20 piece and the attention piece. I look forward to learning more about how ex= perience and memory may also play a=20 role. For example=2C the book talks about automaticity=2C where attention d= emands are reduced with practice. I think this may be=20 one reason why people are often surprised that driving with a cell phone is= worse than driving while intoxicated. Driving has become so automatic for most people that we do not realize that attenti= on may still be important. > Date: Thu=2C 2 Oct 2008 17:36:40 -0600 > From: psych3120-request@lists.csbs.utah.edu > Subject: Psych3120 digest=2C Vol 1 #1248 - 3 msgs > To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >=20 > Send Psych3120 mailing list submissions to > psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >=20 > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web=2C visit > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 > or=2C via email=2C send a message with subject or body 'help' to > psych3120-request@lists.csbs.utah.edu >=20 > You can reach the person managing the list at > psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu >=20 > When replying=2C please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Psych3120 digest..." >=20 >=20 > Today's Topics: >=20 > 1. Re: cell phones and driving (Jon Hall) > 2. RE: cell phones and driving (Deus=2C Rachelle) > 3. Divided Attention (Gayle Reschke) >=20 > --__--__-- >=20 > Message: 1 > Date: Thu=2C 2 Oct 2008 13:21:26 -0600 > From: "Jon Hall" > To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > Subject: Re: [Psych3120] cell phones and driving > Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >=20 > ------=3D_Part_8222_21473473.1222975286167 > Content-Type: text/plain=3B charset=3DISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Disposition: inline >=20 > While driving while at the .08 limit is safer than cell phone use=2C that= is > not the same as drunk driving period. The only direction that data shoul= d > be interpreted as=2C is that cell phones should be outlawed (and that any= one > that drives while talking on one=2C after knowing the data=2C is just as = guilty > as someone that drives while drunk). Another key difference between the > two=2C is that cell phone use can be stopped immediately=2C while your BA= C can > not be so easily controlled after getting behind the wheel (obviously). = I > agree with what you are saying about the complacency of driving while on = the > phone=2C since a lot of people just don't realize how harmful it is (or d= on't > want to). >=20 > On Thu=2C Oct 2=2C 2008 at 11:54 AM=2C Deus=2C Rachelle < > Rachelle.Deus@amerinet-gpo.com> wrote: >=20 > > In class today when the professor mentioned that drunk driving was saf= er > > than cell phone use=2C it actually made a bit of sense. Unless the drun= k is > > completely belegrent=2C most likely they still know enough to know that= since > > they are drunk they must be extra cautious and careful while driving. S= o > > they may purposely limit some distractors such as the radio=2Ctalking t= o a > > passenger or talking on a cell phone and give most of their attention t= o the > > road and driving. Where as someone on a cell phone does not feel like t= hey > > are doing naything reckless or against the law(well in most states) so = they > > don't take extra consideration that they need to pay special attention = to > > the road and drive carefully=2C instead they drove as they think they > > "normally" do which being on the phone takes some of their attention aw= ay > > from driving and they do not drive as they "normally" would drive=2C in= stead > > they drive more recklessly and dangerously. Does this make sense to any= one? > > > > > > > > > > > > *Rachelle Park* > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > *From:* psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu [mailto: > > psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu] *On Behalf Of *Christiana Tawzer > > *Sent:* Thursday=2C October 02=2C 2008 11:29 AM > > *To:* psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > > *Subject:* [Psych3120] cell phones and driving > > > > > > > > When I took research methods last Spring=2C we did an observational stu= dy > > that Dr. Strayer had mentioned in class. I found it very interesting th= at > > the hand-free phone has the same safety risks as a hands-held set. Just > > assuming you might think its the actual mechanism that causes the decre= ase > > in driving ability. I think legislators should listen to the hard facts > > before making laws that will have no safety effect. It was also fascina= ting > > to learn that driving while talking on a cell phone is worse in many wa= ys > > that drinking while driving. Perhaps a drunk person has less inhibition > > about his/her surroundings=2C but the video clips in class certainly co= nveyed > > the reckless driving of those talking on the phone. Now=2C if only peop= le > > would change their behavior. Harder said than done I suppose. > > > > > > -----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- > > This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for > > the use of the individuals or entities to whom they are addressed > > and are not to be disclosed to any other party. > > If you have received this email in error please return it to the sender= =2C > > and erase any copies thereof. > > * > > Copyright 2007 Amerinet Inc.* > > >=20 > ------=3D_Part_8222_21473473.1222975286167 > Content-Type: text/html=3B charset=3DISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Disposition: inline >=20 >
While driving while at the .08 limit is safer than cell = phone use=2C that is not the same as drunk driving period. =3B The only= direction that data should be interpreted as=2C is that cell phones should= be outlawed (and that anyone that drives while talking on one=2C after kno= wing the data=2C is just as guilty as someone that drives while drunk).&nbs= p=3B Another key difference between the two=2C is that cell phone use can b= e stopped immediately=2C while your BAC can not be so easily controlled aft= er getting behind the wheel (obviously). =3B I agree with what you are = saying about the complacency of driving while on the phone=2C since a lot o= f people just don'=3Bt realize how harmful it is (or don'=3Bt want to= ).
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(Sorry I just wanted to make it clear > that I do not in anyway condone drunk driving=2C and apologize if it > sounded that way:-) Thank you Jon for your reply :-)) >=20 > =3D >=20 >=20 > =3D >=20 >=20 > Rachelle Park >=20 > =3D >=20 >=20 > ________________________________ >=20 > From: psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu > [mailto:psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu] On Behalf Of Jon Hall > Sent: Thursday=2C October 02=2C 2008 1:21 PM > To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu > Subject: Re: [Psych3120] cell phones and driving >=20 > =3D >=20 >=20 > While driving while at the .08 limit is safer than cell phone use=2C that > is not the same as drunk driving period. The only direction that data > should be interpreted as=2C is that cell phones should be outlawed (and > that anyone that drives while talking on one=2C after knowing the data=2C= is > just as guilty as someone that drives while drunk). Another key > difference between the two=2C is that cell phone use can be stopped > immediately=2C while your BAC can not be so easily controlled after > getting behind the wheel (obviously). I agree with what you are saying > about the complacency of driving while on the phone=2C since a lot of > people just don't realize how harmful it is (or don't want to). =3D >=20 >=20 > On Thu=2C Oct 2=2C 2008 at 11:54 AM=2C Deus=2C Rachelle > wrote: >=20 > In class today when the professor mentioned that drunk driving was safer > than cell phone use=2C it actually made a bit of sense. Unless the drunk > is completely belegrent=2C most likely they still know enough to know tha= t > since they are drunk they must be extra cautious and careful while > driving. So they may purposely limit some distractors such as the > radio=2Ctalking to a passenger or talking on a cell phone and give most o= f > their attention to the road and driving. Where as someone on a cell > phone does not feel like they are doing naything reckless or against the > law(well in most states) so they don't take extra consideration that > they need to pay special attention to the road and drive carefully=2C > instead they drove as they think they "normally" do which being on the > phone takes some of their attention away from driving and they do not > drive as they "normally" would drive=2C instead they drive more recklessl= y > and dangerously. 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Perhaps a drunk person > has less inhibition about his/her surroundings=2C but the video clips in > class certainly conveyed the reckless driving of those talking on the > phone. Now=2C if only people would change their behavior. 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=3D0D > Copyright 2007 Amerinet Inc.= >=3D0D > =3D0D > > >=20 > >=20 >=20 > ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C924C7.BE948987-- >=20 > --__--__-- >=20 > Message: 3 > From: Gayle Reschke > To: > Date: Thu=2C 2 Oct 2008 17:18:44 -0600 > Subject: [Psych3120] Divided Attention > Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu >=20 > --_dded728b-6dd2-4919-bf2d-578d3c937c67_ > Content-Type: text/plain=3B charset=3D"iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >=20 >=20 > I thought the lecture today was very interesting and insightful=3D2C espe= cial=3D > ly regarding driving and cell phone use. I found it interesting that it m= ad=3D > e no difference whether one was holding the cell phone or using a hands f= re=3D > e device. Due to the fact that some law makers have approved hands free c= el=3D > l phone use while driving=3D2C and also just because it logically seems t= o ma=3D > ke sense=3D2C I assumed it would be safer. But after today's lecture=3D2C= it ma=3D > kes sense that wouldn't be the case because it is our limitations in abil= it=3D > y to process too much information and react=3D2C and the lack of attentio= n th=3D > at is the problem. I do find it interesting that lawmakers don't make the= ir=3D > decisions based on current research. I also was amazed at the difference= s =3D > between intoxicated drivers and drivers using cell phones - in all the st= ud=3D > ies done. I expected the results of each to be much closer to each other.= I=3D > do wonder why driving and cell phone use doesn't align itself with the M= ul=3D > tiple Resource Theory.=3D20 > Gayle Reschke=3D >=20 > --_dded728b-6dd2-4919-bf2d-578d3c937c67_ > Content-Type: text/html=3B charset=3D"iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >=20 > > > > > > I thought the lecture today was very interesting and insightful=3D2C espe= cial=3D > ly regarding driving =3D3Band =3D3Bcell =3D3Bphone use. I fou= nd it in=3D > teresting that it made no difference whether one was =3D3Bholding the= cel=3D > l phone or using a hands free device. =3D3BDue to the fact that = =3D3Bso=3D > me law makers have approved hands free cell phone use =3D3Bwhile driv= ing=3D > =3D2C and also just because it logically seems to make sense=3D2C I assum= ed it&=3D > nbsp=3D3Bwould be =3D3Bsafer. But after today's lecture=3D2C it makes= sense t=3D > hat wouldn't be the case because it is our limitations in ability to proc= es=3D > s too much information and react=3D2C =3D3Band the lack of attention = that i=3D > s the problem. I do find it =3D3Binteresting that =3D3Blawmakers = don't =3D > make their decisions based on current research. I also was amazed at the = di=3D > fferences between intoxicated drivers and drivers using cell phones - in = al=3D > l the studies done. I expected the results of each to be much closer to e= ac=3D > h other. I do wonder why driving and cell phone use doesn't align itself = wi=3D > th the Multiple Resource Theory.
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piece and the attention piece. I look forward to learning more = about how experience and memory may also play a
role. For example=2C th= e book talks about automaticity=2C where attention demands are reduced with= practice. I think this may be
one reason why people are often surprise= d that driving with a cell phone is worse than driving while intoxicated. D= riving
has become so automatic for most people that we do not realize th= at attention may still be important.

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>=3B >=3B In class toda= y when the professor mentioned that drunk driving was safer
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>=3B >=3B *From:* psych3120-admin= @lists.csbs.utah.edu [mailto:
>=3B >=3B psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.u= tah.edu] *On Behalf Of *Christiana Tawzer
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>=3B >=3B *Subject:* [Psych3120] cell phones and driving>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B
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>=3B >=3B When I t= ook research methods last Spring=2C we did an observational study
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>=3B >=3B the reckless = driving of those talking on the phone. Now=2C if only people
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>=3B Subject: RE: [Ps= ych3120] cell phones and driving
>=3B Date: Thu=2C 2 Oct 2008 15:47:46= -0400
>=3B From: "Deus=2C Rachelle" <=3BRachelle.Deus@amerinet-gpo.= com>=3B
>=3B To: <=3Bpsych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu>=3B
>=3B= Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu
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>=3B Yeah I realize that drunk driving is never safe=2C sorry if = I did not make
>=3B that clear (I am personally one hundred percent ag= ainst it) but I was
>=3B just trying to make the point about why maybe= a .08 limit driver is
>=3B safer than cell phone use is all. (Sorry I= just wanted to make it clear
>=3B that I do not in anyway condone dru= nk driving=2C and apologize if it
>=3B sounded that way:-) Thank you J= on for your reply :-))
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>=3B Rachelle Park
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>=3B
>=3B
>=3B ________________________________>=3B
>=3B From: psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu
>=3B [ma= ilto:psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu] On Behalf Of Jon Hall
>=3B S= ent: Thursday=2C October 02=2C 2008 1:21 PM
>=3B To: psych3120@lists.c= sbs.utah.edu
>=3B Subject: Re: [Psych3120] cell phones and driving
= >=3B
>=3B =3D
>=3B
>=3B
>=3B While driving while = at the .08 limit is safer than cell phone use=2C that
>=3B is not the = same as drunk driving period. The only direction that data
>=3B shoul= d be interpreted as=2C is that cell phones should be outlawed (and
>= =3B that anyone that drives while talking on one=2C after knowing the data= =2C is
>=3B just as guilty as someone that drives while drunk). Anoth= er key
>=3B difference between the two=2C is that cell phone use can b= e stopped
>=3B immediately=2C while your BAC can not be so easily cont= rolled after
>=3B getting behind the wheel (obviously). I agree with = what you are saying
>=3B about the complacency of driving while on the= phone=2C since a lot of
>=3B people just don't realize how harmful it= is (or don't want to). =3D
>=3B
>=3B
>=3B On Thu=2C Oct 2= =2C 2008 at 11:54 AM=2C Deus=2C Rachelle
>=3B <=3BRachelle.Deus@amer= inet-gpo.com>=3B wrote:
>=3B
>=3B In class today when the prof= essor mentioned that drunk driving was safer
>=3B than cell phone use= =2C it actually made a bit of sense. Unless the drunk
>=3B is complete= ly belegrent=2C most likely they still know enough to know that
>=3B s= ince they are drunk they must be extra cautious and careful while
>=3B= driving. So they may purposely limit some distractors such as the
>= =3B radio=2Ctalking to a passenger or talking on a cell phone and give most= of
>=3B their attention to the road and driving. Where as someone on = a cell
>=3B phone does not feel like they are doing naything reckless = or against the
>=3B law(well in most states) so they don't take extra = consideration that
>=3B they need to pay special attention to the road= and drive carefully=2C
>=3B instead they drove as they think they "no= rmally" do which being on the
>=3B phone takes some of their attention= away from driving and they do not
>=3B drive as they "normally" would= drive=2C instead they drive more recklessly
>=3B and dangerously. Doe= s this make sense to anyone?
>=3B
>=3B =3D
>=3B
>=3B=
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>=3B
>=3B
>=3B Rachelle Park
>=3B <= br>>=3B =3D
>=3B
>=3B
>=3B ____________________________= ____
>=3B
>=3B From: psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu
>= =3B [mailto:psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu] On Behalf Of Christiana>=3B Tawzer
>=3B Sent: Thursday=2C October 02=2C 2008 11:29 AM
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>=3B Subject: [Psych3120] cell= phones and driving
>=3B
>=3B =3D
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>= =3B When I took research methods last Spring=2C we did an observational stu= dy
>=3B that Dr. Strayer had mentioned in class. I found it very inter= esting
>=3B that the hand-free phone has the same safety risks as a ha= nds-held set.
>=3B Just assuming you might think its the actual mechan= ism that causes the
>=3B decrease in driving ability. I think legislat= ors should listen to the
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>=3B also fascinating to learn that driv= ing while talking on a cell phone is
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>=3B has less inhibition ab= out his/her surroundings=2C but the video clips in
>=3B class certainl= y conveyed the reckless driving of those talking on the
>=3B phone. No= w=2C if only people would change their behavior. Harder said than
>=3B= done I suppose. =3D
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Get more out of = the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. Learn Now<= /a> = --_24acaf33-2a8c-47bf-84cc-7c5dae57f3bb_-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Fri Oct 3 06:09:57 2008 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Steve Burton) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 23:09:57 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Cell phones v. conversations with passengers In-Reply-To: <200809030412.m834C1AZ018499@topo.csbs.utah.edu> References: <200809030412.m834C1AZ018499@topo.csbs.utah.edu> Message-ID: --_051f7f65-ed1e-4fe6-b3af-f4e02799d203_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I found the lecture on cell phones and driving very interesting. I think it= is interesting how different the results are from studies with conversatio= ns with passengers compared to conversations over a cell phone. I noticed t= his not with driving specifically but with work. Earlier this week I was ta= lking to a co-worker at the same time as doing work on the computer. Then m= y cell phone rang and I answered it. I found that it was a lot harder to ke= ep working while talking on the cell phone than with my co-worker that was = sitting right next to me. I even mentioned this to my co-worker at the time= =2C not knowing how this would relate to this study we discussed in class. = I thought it was compelling how I was able to see the results of this study= play out in my own life. I wonder what factors really determine this diffe= rence?= --_051f7f65-ed1e-4fe6-b3af-f4e02799d203_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I found the lecture on cell phones and driving very interesting. I think it= is interesting how different the results are from studies with conversatio= ns with passengers compared to conversations over a cell phone. I noticed t= his not with driving specifically but with work. Earlier this week I was ta= lking to a co-worker at the same time as doing work on the computer. Then m= y cell phone rang and I answered it. I found that it was a lot harder to ke= ep working while talking on the cell phone than with my co-worker that was = sitting right next to me. I even mentioned this to my co-worker at the time= =2C not knowing how this would relate to this study we discussed in class. = I thought it was compelling how I was able to see the results of this study= play out in my own life. I wonder what factors really determine this diffe= rence? = --_051f7f65-ed1e-4fe6-b3af-f4e02799d203_-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Fri Oct 3 08:41:17 2008 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Kristie Blanch) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 00:41:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Inattentional Blindness...Case in point Message-ID: <183251.80461.qm@web56507.mail.re3.yahoo.com> --0-763008739-1223019677=:80461 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable KRISTIE BLANCH POST 5 10-03-2008 =A0 Wow!=A0There's actualy a term for seeing something, but not "seeing" it.=A0= One story I would like=A0to relate that demonstrates this perfectly. =A0 Being an avid bicyclist, and having many "close-calls" with other drivers, = I have gone to extreme lengths to make myself more visible on the road. My = bike has been geared up with both front and rear lights and I wear an obnox= iously bright reflective vest (to the embarrasment of my riding partner).= =A0=A0 =A0 Earlier this year, I was ending my ride in a residential area close to my h= ome. I came upon an intersection where I was not required to stop. As I cam= e closer, I noticed a car whose driver was actually shaving! He was coming = upon the same intersection, but was required to stop.=A0I=A0was entering th= e intersection as he neared the stop-sign. I=A0slowed down a bit and made e= ye contact with him. I=A0know he was looking=A0right at me! However, he did= n't even stop,=A0but rather, just sort of rolled through, coming within may= be a foot of hitting me. I stopped short, when I realized he wasn't going t= o. The most infuriating part is I DON'T THINK HE EVER NOTICED ME, EVEN AFTE= R PULLING AWAY!=A0He looked right at me, but didn't "see" me. For the life = of me, I couldn't make sense=A0of this, until earlier this week, when we le= arned about inattentional blindness. I'm sure I do it all the time, just li= ke anybody else, but the consequences while driving can be grave!=A0 =A0 So, despite my efforts to be more visible, I am still not seen by many driv= ers. Perhaps this is b/c they are typically so "visually overloaded" by oth= er visual cues in their environment? Perhaps I will add an air horn to my b= ike, in place of my dinky bell. That would make use of a different sensory= =A0modality that may draw more attention to myself. Of course, if drivers a= re engaged in a conversation and/or listening to music, they very well may = still not notice me. =A0 LESSON LEARNED: AFTER THAT I HAVE ALWAYS ASSUMED PEOPLE SIMPLY DO NOT SEE M= E WHEN I'M RIDING MY BICYCLE.=20 =A0 All this can=A0perhaps partially explain the mistake made by the train engi= neer in California a few weeks ago, who was text messaging, and failed to s= ee=A0the stop light,=A0leading to the deaths of 25 people. Though, it's not= certain he was engaged in the activity the moments just before the acciden= t,=A0it is the most=A0plausible explanation. Whether it was a defitit in at= tention due to text messaging that caused it or not is inconsequential. The= fact is it was a simple error that cost a few dozen lives.=A0Dr. Strayer s= aid, "we live in an era where seconds matter", and the simplest error can r= esult in massive casualties.=A0This is really a sobering thought. Maybe I s= hould never leave my house. =0A=0A=0A --0-763008739-1223019677=:80461 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

KRISTIE BLANCH

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10-03-2008

Wow! There's actualy a term for seeing something, but not "seeing" it. One story I would like to relate that demonstrates this perfectly.

Being an avid bicyclist, and having many "close-calls" with other drivers, I have gone to extreme lengths to make myself more visible on the road. My bike has been geared up with both front and rear lights and I wear an obnoxiously bright reflective vest (to the embarrasment of my riding partner).

Earlier this year, I was ending my ride in a residential area close to my home. I came upon an intersection where I was not required to stop. As I came closer, I noticed a car whose driver was actually shaving! He was coming upon the same intersection, but was required to stop. I was entering the intersection as he neared the stop-sign. I slowed down a bit and made eye contact with him. I know he was looking right at me! However, he didn't even stop, but rather, just sort of rolled through, coming within maybe a foot of hitting me. I stopped short, when I realized he wasn't going to. The most infuriating part is I DON'T THINK HE EVER NOTICED ME, EVEN AFTER PULLING AWAY! He looked right at me, but didn't "see" me. For the life of me, I couldn't make sense of this, until earlier this week, when we learned about inattentional blindness. I'm sure I do it all the time, just like anybody else, but the consequences while driving can be grave!

So, despite my efforts to be more visible, I am still not seen by many drivers. Perhaps this is b/c they are typically so "visually overloaded" by other visual cues in their environment? Perhaps I will add an air horn to my bike, in place of my dinky bell. That would make use of a different sensory modality that may draw more attention to myself. Of course, if drivers are engaged in a conversation and/or listening to music, they very well may still not notice me.

LESSON LEARNED: AFTER THAT I HAVE ALWAYS ASSUMED PEOPLE SIMPLY DO NOT SEE ME WHEN I'M RIDING MY BICYCLE.

All this can perhaps partially explain the mistake made by the train engineer in California a few weeks ago, who was text messaging, and failed to see the stop light, leading to the deaths of 25 people. Though, it's not certain he was engaged in the activity the moments just before the accident, it is the most plausible explanation. Whether it was a defitit in attention due to text messaging that caused it or not is inconsequential. The fact is it was a simple error that cost a few dozen lives. Dr. Strayer said, "we live in an era where seconds matter", and the simplest error can result in massive casualties. This is really a sobering thought. Maybe I should never leave my house.

--0-763008739-1223019677=:80461-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Fri Oct 3 15:20:05 2008 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Shambrae W) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 08:20:05 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Attention and cell phones Message-ID: <9a2db3900810030720w3c7f4cebk5a6ee2c8a74551ea@mail.gmail.com> ------=_Part_19287_22290844.1223043606018 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The lecture on Thursday was very interesting. I had heard about some of the cell phone studies before but was unaware that a hands free phone would cause the same attention problems that a regular one would. It seems as though phones should be left at home, except in some circumstances such as going on a long road trip and for safety reasons only. It seem to me as if cell phones are causing many problems in our society. I wonder if anybody has ever hit a person with a car while using a cell phone and if so was there any legal action taken espessially if it was in one of the states which has outlawed cell phone use while driving. Also, I imagine one day cell phone use in a vehicle may be considered a DUI as well. ------=_Part_19287_22290844.1223043606018 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
The lecture on Thursday was very interesting. I had heard about some of the cell phone studies before but was unaware that a hands free phone would cause the same attention problems that a regular one would. It seems as though phones should be left at home, except in some circumstances such as going on a long road trip and for safety reasons only. It seem to me as if cell phones are causing many problems in our society. I wonder if anybody has ever hit a person with a car while using a cell phone and if so was there any legal action taken espessially if it was in one of the states which has outlawed cell phone use while driving. Also, I imagine one day cell phone use in a vehicle may be considered a DUI as well.

------=_Part_19287_22290844.1223043606018-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Fri Oct 3 18:14:07 2008 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (William Curtis) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 11:14:07 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Cell Phone Use-William Curtis Message-ID: --_565cb898-2725-4709-b320-b61fa3fcd566_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can vouch for saying that blue tooth headsets do not work in making peopl= e effective at driving while talking on the phone. I am one the the worst = drivers when it comes to talking on a cell phone and driving. i bought a b= lue tooth headset to try and off set this=2C but I am still running people = off of the road while I talk on this headset. That is why I know that it i= s an attention issue and not a peripheral issue. I used to text why i drov= e as well. I cant do that with my new phone because it is too complicated = but I am amazed I have not been in an accident. I see people all the time = on their cell phones driving like idiots=2C those are usually the people I = am flipping off. I am not surprised that state officials would pass a law = to ban cell phone use and not blue tooth headsets. It sort of makes sense = that it could be the holding of the phone that is distractive. I also thou= ght it was interesting to hear in lecture that females are not better at dr= iving while on a cell phone as compared to males. I have always thought an= d seen females who can multi task with ease. This seems like it would be a= n easy thing to do. All it is=2C is talking and driving. =20 _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn =9310 hidden secrets=94 from Jamie= . http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!5= 50F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008= --_565cb898-2725-4709-b320-b61fa3fcd566_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can vouch for saying that blue tooth headsets do not work in making peopl= e effective at driving while talking on the phone. =3B I am one the the= worst drivers when it comes to talking on a cell phone and driving. = =3B i bought a blue tooth headset to try and off set this=2C but I am still= running people off of the road while I talk on this headset. =3B That = is why I know that it is an attention issue and not a peripheral issue.&nbs= p=3B I used to text why i drove as well. =3B I cant do that with my new= phone because it is too complicated but I am amazed I have not been in an = accident. =3B I see people all the time on their cell phones driving li= ke idiots=2C those are usually the people I am flipping off. =3B I am n= ot surprised that state officials would pass a law to ban cell phone use an= d not blue tooth headsets. =3B It sort of makes sense that it could be = the holding of the phone that is distractive. =3B I also thought it was= interesting to hear in lecture that females are not better at driving whil= e on a cell phone as compared to males. =3B I have always thought and s= een females who can multi task with ease. =3B This seems like it would = be an easy thing to do. =3B All it is=2C is talking and driving. = =3B
Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn =9310 hidden secre= ts=94 from Jamie. Learn Now = --_565cb898-2725-4709-b320-b61fa3fcd566_-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Fri Oct 3 19:19:37 2008 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (braden parker) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:19:37 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: <1047fb640810031119p78025267o317917b60637688@mail.gmail.com> ------=_Part_27009_12360754.1223057977145 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline It was very interesting to learn about the affects that driving while distracted, such as talking on a cell phone, can have. Driving while using a cell phone can be more dangerous than driving drunk, Wow! In class we learned that in Utah, there is only a law against teenage drivers, *I am curious to find out what kind of fine they recieve and if policeman really enforce this law*. Braden Johnson Parker ------=_Part_27009_12360754.1223057977145 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
It was very interesting to learn about the affects that driving while distracted, such as talking on a cell phone, can have. Driving while using a cell phone can be more dangerous than driving drunk, Wow! In class we learned that in Utah, there is only a law against teenage drivers, I am curious to find out what kind of fine they recieve and if policeman really enforce this law.

Braden Johnson Parker
------=_Part_27009_12360754.1223057977145-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Fri Oct 3 20:01:34 2008 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Richie Mittan) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:01:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Talking on a cell phone vs. talking to a passenger. Message-ID: <295015.87015.qm@web57002.mail.re3.yahoo.com> --0-911770999-1223060494=:87015 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't really understand how there could be a difference between talking on a cell phone and talking to a passenger in the front, or especially the back seat of your car. If the focusing on the conversation is what distracts you I don't see a difference between the two. Or especially not when you are trying to resolve conflicts with kids. In the book it talks about tasks becoming automatic with practice. I wonder if people who ride with a passenger the majority of the time would be more adept at driving while talking on the cell phone. My wife and I ride home from carpool from work everyday, and since often it is the only time we will spend together that day, we have a pretty involved conversation. Does that have the same distracting effect on my or her driving as talking on a cell phone? --0-911770999-1223060494=:87015 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I don't really understand how there could be a difference between talking on a cell phone and talking to a passenger in the front, or especially the back seat of your car. If the focusing on the conversation is what distracts you I don't see a difference between the two. Or especially not when you are trying to resolve conflicts with kids. In the book it talks about tasks becoming automatic with practice. I wonder if people who ride with a passenger the majority of the time would be more adept at driving while talking on the cell phone. My wife and I ride home from carpool from work everyday, and since often it is the only time we will spend together that day, we have a pretty involved conversation. Does that have the same distracting effect on my or her driving as talking on a cell phone?

--0-911770999-1223060494=:87015-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Fri Oct 3 20:29:19 2008 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Michael Lawyer) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:29:19 -0700 Subject: [Psych3120] Talking on a cell phone vs. talking to a passenger. In-Reply-To: <295015.87015.qm@web57002.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <295015.87015.qm@web57002.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --_df853ec5-1b7d-4f0a-880f-9aac71647ecf_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think the point of the lecture was that there is no difference. He talked= about listening to the passenger and listening to the radio using differen= t parts of the brain than when talking (to anyone). When talking=2C the par= ts of the brain that are used for attention are also used when when driving= =2C thus splitting resources and efficiency. You can listen all you want=2C= but once you start talking back.... From: mittan_21@yahoo.com To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] Talking on a cell phone vs. talking to a passenger. Date: Fri=2C 3 Oct 2008 12:01:34 -0700 I don't really understand how there could be a difference between talking o= n a cell phone and talking to a passenger in the front=2C or especially the= back seat of your car. If the focusing on the conversation is what distrac= ts you I don't see a difference between the two. Or especially not when you= are trying to resolve conflicts with kids. In the book it talks about task= s becoming automatic with practice. I wonder if people who ride with a pass= enger the majority of the time would be more adept at driving while talking= on the cell phone. My wife and I ride home from carpool from work everyday= =2C and since often it is the only time we will spend together that day=2C = we have a pretty involved conversation. Does that have the same distracting= effect on my or her driving as talking on a cell phone? =20 _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!5= 50F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008= --_df853ec5-1b7d-4f0a-880f-9aac71647ecf_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think the point of the lecture was that there is no difference. He talked= about listening to the passenger and listening to the radio using differen= t parts of the brain than when talking (to anyone). When talking=2C the par= ts of the brain that are used for attention are also used when when driving= =2C thus splitting resources and efficiency. You can listen all you want=2C= but once you start talking back....

From: mittan_21@yahoo.comTo: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu
Subject: [Psych3120] Talking on a ce= ll phone vs. talking to a passenger.
Date: Fri=2C 3 Oct 2008 12:01:34 -0= 700

I don't really understand how there could be= a difference between talking on a cell phone and talking to a passenger in= the front=2C or especially the back seat of your car. If the focusing on t= he conversation is what distracts you I don't see a difference between the = two. Or especially not when you are trying to resolve conflicts with kids. = In the book it talks about tasks becoming automatic with practice. I wonder= if people who ride with a passenger the majority of the time would be more= adept at driving while talking on the cell phone. My wife and I ride home = from carpool from work everyday=2C and since often it is the only time we w= ill spend together that day=2C we have a pretty involved conversation. Does= that have the same distracting effect on my or her driving as talking on a= cell phone?

Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windo= ws Live. Learn Now = --_df853ec5-1b7d-4f0a-880f-9aac71647ecf_-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Fri Oct 3 20:55:59 2008 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Jon Hall) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:55:59 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Talking on a cell phone vs. talking to a passenger. In-Reply-To: <295015.87015.qm@web57002.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <295015.87015.qm@web57002.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: ------=_Part_19824_25528724.1223063759382 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline He answered this in class more or less. It was after we watched the two different videos with the people that needed to exit.. He said that a passenger being in the car with you makes all the difference, as long as they are knowledgeable about the rules of the road, even slightly. Passengers with you differ than someone on the other line of a phone conversation in a variety of ways. The biggest difference is that they are in the car with you. This means that unconsciously, they may stop the conversation when distractions (like you needing to shift, change lanes, exit etc.) come up. They also consciously can help you, since they are a second pair of eyes. This means they can tell you to stop, slow down, the light is green, the light is red, etc. On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Richie Mittan wrote: > I don't really understand how there could be a difference between talking > on a cell phone and talking to a passenger in the front, or especially the > back seat of your car. If the focusing on the conversation is what distracts > you I don't see a difference between the two. Or especially not when you are > trying to resolve conflicts with kids. In the book it talks about tasks > becoming automatic with practice. I wonder if people who ride with a > passenger the majority of the time would be more adept at driving while > talking on the cell phone. My wife and I ride home from carpool from work > everyday, and since often it is the only time we will spend together that > day, we have a pretty involved conversation. Does that have the same > distracting effect on my or her driving as talking on a cell phone? > > > ------=_Part_19824_25528724.1223063759382 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
He answered this in class more or less. It was after we watched the two different videos with the people that needed to exit..

He said that a passenger being in the car with you makes all the difference, as long as they are knowledgeable about the rules of the road, even slightly. Passengers with you differ than someone on the other line of a phone conversation in a variety of ways. The biggest difference is that they are in the car with you. This means that unconsciously, they may stop the conversation when distractions (like you needing to shift, change lanes, exit etc.) come up. They also consciously can help you, since they are a second pair of eyes. This means they can tell you to stop, slow down, the light is green, the light is red, etc.

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Richie Mittan <mittan_21@yahoo.com> wrote:

I don't really understand how there could be a difference between talking on a cell phone and talking to a passenger in the front, or especially the back seat of your car. If the focusing on the conversation is what distracts you I don't see a difference between the two. Or especially not when you are trying to resolve conflicts with kids. In the book it talks about tasks becoming automatic with practice. I wonder if people who ride with a passenger the majority of the time would be more adept at driving while talking on the cell phone. My wife and I ride home from carpool from work everyday, and since often it is the only time we will spend together that day, we have a pretty involved conversation. Does that have the same distracting effect on my or her driving as talking on a cell phone?

------=_Part_19824_25528724.1223063759382-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Fri Oct 3 21:35:14 2008 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (James Coleman) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:35:14 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Auditory Attention Message-ID: <8A798505F23F484AA21F61378976EE68995252@CAMPUSV1.xds.umail.utah.edu> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C92597.8A56C945 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I found it interesting that we use top-down processing in all aspects of = perception. The "green eggs and ham" experiment using dichotic hearing = tests was especially fascinating. Since we know that the phrase "green = eggs" is followed by "and ham", we are more likely to hear and predict = those words compared to a four word phrase we most likely have not heard = before. This may help explain why when we hear our name, our attention = is immediately and fully diverted to the conversation in which our name = was mentioned. We hear our names all the time, and we have conditioned = ourselves to give our attention to the person who called it. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C92597.8A56C945 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A=
I found it interesting = that we use top-down processing in all aspects of perception. The = "green eggs and ham" experiment using dichotic hearing tests was = especially fascinating. Since we know that the phrase "green eggs" = is followed by "and ham", we are more likely to hear and predict those = words compared to a four word phrase we most likely have not heard = before. This may help explain why when we hear our name, our = attention is immediately and fully diverted to the conversation in = which our name was mentioned. We hear our names all the = time, and we have conditioned ourselves to give our attention to the = person who called it.
------_=_NextPart_001_01C92597.8A56C945-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Fri Oct 3 21:42:27 2008 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (James Coleman) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:42:27 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Hemispheric Interference Message-ID: <8A798505F23F484AA21F61378976EE68995253@CAMPUSV1.xds.umail.utah.edu> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C92598.8C5193F5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In AP psychology, I conducted an experiment amongst our high school = student body involving hemispheric interference. We gave them simple = math problems to verbally solve while balancing a wooden dowel = vertically in their hand. We tested them with both their right and = their left hands. Even if the person was right handed, it was much = harder for them to balance the dowel in their right hand while solving = simple math problems. Since the left brain controls the right hand and = mathematic functions, the subject had a visibly harder time balancing = the dowel in the right hand than the left hand while attempting to solve = arithmatic. I was reminded of this experiment during the cell phone and = driving lecture, since hemispheric interference is a big reason why some = tasks are harder to do than others while multitasking. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C92598.8C5193F5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A=
In AP psychology, I = conducted an experiment amongst our high school student body involving = hemispheric interference. We gave them simple math problems to = verbally solve while balancing a wooden dowel vertically in their = hand. We tested them with both their right and their left = hands. Even if the person was right handed, it was much harder for = them to balance the dowel in their right hand while solving simple math = problems. Since the left brain controls the right hand and = mathematic functions, the subject had a visibly harder time balancing = the dowel in the right hand than the left hand while attempting to solve = arithmatic. I was reminded of this experiment during the cell = phone and driving lecture, since hemispheric interference is a big = reason why some tasks are harder to do than others while = multitasking.
------_=_NextPart_001_01C92598.8C5193F5-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Fri Oct 3 22:45:27 2008 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Kimberlee Baker) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 15:45:27 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Driving and using cell phones Message-ID: <8e52c8a0810031445i1394289aic75b2a86a2a8eb5b@mail.gmail.com> ------=_Part_22445_3262142.1223070327152 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I thought the lecture about divided attention was really interesting. It is always funny to see people who are good at multitasking and people who aren't. For instance, I am an okay multitasker, not amazing, but I can talk to someone while looking something up on the computer. On the other hand, my husband is a terrible multitasker, especially when it comes to having a conversation. If he is on the computer and you ask him a question he will get half an answer out before getting distracted. Most of the time he doesn't even respond. If it is important I have to make him turn his back on whatever he is doing so that he can concentrate on what I am saying. Anyway, Dr. Strayer's findings on cell phone use while driving were fascinating. I never would have guessed that "hands-free" and "hand-held" cell phones would have the same effect, and it was even more astonishing that drunk drivers are still better drivers than people who use cell phones. It sort of makes sense when you think about it, but amazing nonetheless. ------=_Part_22445_3262142.1223070327152 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
I thought the lecture about divided attention was really i= nteresting. It is always funny to see people who are good at multitas= king and people who aren't. For instance, I am an okay multitaske= r, not amazing, but I can talk to someone while looking something up on the= computer. On the other hand, my husband is a terrible multitasker, e= specially when it comes to having a conversation. If he is on the com= puter and you ask him a question he will get half an answer out before gett= ing distracted. Most of the time he doesn't even respond. I= f it is important I have to make him turn his back on whatever he is doing = so that he can concentrate on what I am saying. Anyway, Dr. Strayer&#= 39;s findings on cell phone use while driving were fascinating. I nev= er would have guessed that "hands-free" and "hand-held"= cell phones would have the same effect, and it was even more astonishing t= hat drunk drivers are still better drivers than people who use cell phones.= It sort of makes sense when you think about it, but amazing nonethel= ess.

------=_Part_22445_3262142.1223070327152-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sat Oct 4 07:21:27 2008 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Ana Csere) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 00:21:27 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Attention Message-ID: --_50804d17-fcba-46e2-b766-e220df4c98f7_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I believe that there are people that are able to drive on the road while on= their phones=2C though you usually pay attention to one of them more than = the other. I think that attention can be shared with multiple task it just = really depends how much attention is needed on each one. There are times in= classes were I will be focusing to the lecture and the next thing I know I= m thinking about what I need to do that day or what happened the day before= . Sometimes it is hard to focus only on one specific thing when you have so= much going on. _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!5= 50F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008= --_50804d17-fcba-46e2-b766-e220df4c98f7_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I believe that there are people that are able to drive on the road while on= their phones=2C though you usually pay attention to one of them more than = the other. I think that attention can be shared with multiple task it just = really depends how much attention is needed on each one. There are times in= =3Bclasses were I will be focusing to the lecture and the next thing I= know Im thinking about what I need to do that day or what happened the day= before. Sometimes it is hard to focus only on one specific thing when you = have so much going on.
Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden = secrets of Windows Live. Learn Now = --_50804d17-fcba-46e2-b766-e220df4c98f7_-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sat Oct 4 08:18:01 2008 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Michael Lawyer) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 00:18:01 -0700 Subject: [Psych3120] Attention In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: --_ffe4d648-2ece-4e8e-8e0a-e2fec20a5c28_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well=2C he did say that approximately 2% of the population are "super-taske= rs"=2C with the capability to split attention between tasks without a perfo= rmance penalty. However he didn't say if it was genetic/structural or somet= hing that can be conditioned/trained. From: anatcsere@hotmail.com To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] Attention Date: Sat=2C 4 Oct 2008 00:21:27 -0600 I believe that there are people that are able to drive on the road while on= their phones=2C though you usually pay attention to one of them more than = the other. I think that attention can be shared with multiple task it just = really depends how much attention is needed on each one. There are times in= classes were I will be focusing to the lecture and the next thing I know I= m thinking about what I need to do that day or what happened the day before= . Sometimes it is hard to focus only on one specific thing when you have so= much going on. Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. Learn Now _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together=97at home=2C work=2C or on= the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/= --_ffe4d648-2ece-4e8e-8e0a-e2fec20a5c28_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well=2C he did say that approximately 2% of the population are "super-taske= rs"=2C with the capability to split attention between tasks without a perfo= rmance penalty. However he didn't say if it was genetic/structural or somet= hing that can be conditioned/trained.

From: anatcsere@hotmail.co= m
To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu
Subject: [Psych3120] AttentionDate: Sat=2C 4 Oct 2008 00:21:27 -0600

I believe that there are people that are able to drive on the road while on= their phones=2C though you usually pay attention to one of them more than = the other. I think that attention can be shared with multiple task it just = really depends how much attention is needed on each one. There are times in= =3Bclasses were I will be focusing to the lecture and the next thing I= know Im thinking about what I need to do that day or what happened the day= before. Sometimes it is hard to focus only on one specific thing when you = have so much going on.
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See how Windows Mobile brings your life together=97at home=2C w= ork=2C or on the go. See Now = --_ffe4d648-2ece-4e8e-8e0a-e2fec20a5c28_-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sat Oct 4 18:39:11 2008 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Nicole Tucker) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 11:39:11 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] cell phones/ arguing with passenger In-Reply-To: <200810040628.m946RZWr003864@topo.csbs.utah.edu> References: <200810040628.m946RZWr003864@topo.csbs.utah.edu> Message-ID: --_f3a73097-4ffc-47fe-ad8d-3335716fa3fe_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 I think everyone agrees that class was very interesting on Thursday. Learni= ng about the affects of using a cell phone while driving was pretty alarmin= g. Especially to know that when you are driving while talking on a cell pho= ne=2C you are potentially more dangerous than a drunk driver! It was also i= nteresting that using a hands free cell phone device is not any safer. One = thing that i thought about in class was if a contentious conversation in th= e car with a passenger could have the same affects as a phone conversation.= ...have you ever pulled up to a light and seen someone arguing in the car n= ext to you? That cant be a good thing! Because the driver is so focused in = the argument=2C and i would think that it would also make them have a littl= e more road rage or reckless driving if they are upset. Just a thought i ha= d about extreme emotions causing accidents or bad driving.=20 > Date: Sat=2C 4 Oct 2008 00:27:35 -0600> From: psych3120-request@lists.csb= s.utah.edu> Subject: Psych3120 digest=2C Vol 1 #1251 - 8 msgs> To: psych312= 0@lists.csbs.utah.edu> > Send Psych3120 mailing list submissions to> psych3= 120@lists.csbs.utah.edu> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide W= eb=2C visit> http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120> or=2C via e= mail=2C send a message with subject or body 'help' to> psych3120-request@li= sts.csbs.utah.edu> > You can reach the person managing the list at> psych31= 20-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu> > When replying=2C please edit your Subject l= ine so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of Psych3120 digest..."> > >= Today's Topics:> > 1. (no subject) (braden parker)> 2. Talking on a cell p= hone vs. talking to a passenger. (Richie Mittan)> 3. RE: Talking on a cell = phone vs. talking to a passenger. (Michael Lawyer)> 4. Re: Talking on a cel= l phone vs. talking to a passenger. (Jon Hall)> 5. Auditory Attention (Jame= s Coleman)> 6. Hemispheric Interference (James Coleman)> 7. Driving and usi= ng cell phones (Kimberlee Baker)> 8. Attention (Ana Csere)> > --__--__--> >= Message: 1> Date: Fri=2C 3 Oct 2008 12:19:37 -0600> From: "braden parker" = > To: Psych > Subjec= t: [Psych3120] (no subject)> Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu> > ---= ---=3D_Part_27009_12360754.1223057977145> Content-Type: text/plain=3B chars= et=3DISO-8859-1> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit> Content-Disposition: inli= ne> > It was very interesting to learn about the affects that driving while= > distracted=2C such as talking on a cell phone=2C can have. Driving while = using> a cell phone can be more dangerous than driving drunk=2C Wow! In cla= ss we> learned that in Utah=2C there is only a law against teenage drivers= =2C *I am> curious to find out what kind of fine they recieve and if police= man really> enforce this law*.> > Braden Johnson Parker> > ------=3D_Part_2= 7009_12360754.1223057977145> Content-Type: text/html=3B charset=3DISO-8859-= 1> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit> Content-Disposition: inline> >
It was very interesting to learn about the affects that drivi= ng while distracted=2C such as talking on a cell phone=2C can have. =3B= Driving while using a cell phone can be more dangerous than driving drunk= =2C Wow! =3B In class we learned that in Utah=2C there is only a law ag= ainst teenage drivers=2C I am curious to find out what kind of fine= they recieve and if policeman really enforce this law.
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> > -----= -=3D_Part_27009_12360754.1223057977145--> > --__--__--> > Message: 2> Date:= Fri=2C 3 Oct 2008 12:01:34 -0700 (PDT)> From: Richie Mittan > To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu> Subject: [Psych3120] Talking on= a cell phone vs. talking to a passenger.> Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.u= tah.edu> > --0-911770999-1223060494=3D:87015> Content-Type: text/plain=3B c= harset=3Dus-ascii> > I don't really understand how there could be a differe= nce between talking on a cell phone and talking to a passenger in the front= =2C or especially the back seat of your car. If the focusing on the convers= ation is what distracts you I don't see a difference between the two. Or es= pecially not when you are trying to resolve conflicts with kids. In the boo= k it talks about tasks becoming automatic with practice. I wonder if people= who ride with a passenger the majority of the time would be more adept at = driving while talking on the cell phone. My wife and I ride home from carpo= ol from work everyday=2C and since often it is the only time we will spend = together that day=2C we have a pretty involved conversation. Does that have= the same distracting effect on my or her driving as talking on a cell phon= e?> > > > > --0-911770999-1223060494=3D:87015> Content-Type: text/html=3B c= harset=3Dus-ascii> >
I don't really unders= tand how there could be a difference between talking on a cell phone and ta= lking to a passenger in the front=2C or especially the back seat of your ca= r. If the focusing on the conversation is what distracts you I don't see a = difference between the two. Or especially not when you are trying to resolv= e conflicts with kids. In the book it talks about tasks becoming automatic = with practice. I wonder if people who ride with a passenger the majority of= the time would be more adept at driving while talking on the cell phone. M= y wife and I ride home from carpool from work everyday=2C and since often i= t is the only time we will spend together that day=2C we have a pretty invo= lved conversation. Does that have the same distracting effect on my or her = driving as talking on a cell> phone?
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> > > --0-911770999-1223060494=3D:87015--> > --__--__--> > Message:= 3> From: Michael Lawyer > To: > Subject: RE: [Psych3120] Talking on a cell phone vs. talking to a= passenger.> Date: Fri=2C 3 Oct 2008 12:29:19 -0700> Reply-To: psych3120@li= sts.csbs.utah.edu> > --_df853ec5-1b7d-4f0a-880f-9aac71647ecf_> Content-Type= : text/plain=3B charset=3D"iso-8859-1"> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-p= rintable> > > I think the point of the lecture was that there is no differe= nce. He talked=3D> about listening to the passenger and listening to the ra= dio using differen=3D> t parts of the brain than when talking (to anyone). = When talking=3D2C the par=3D> ts of the brain that are used for attention a= re also used when when driving=3D> =3D2C thus splitting resources and effic= iency. You can listen all you want=3D2C=3D> but once you start talking back= ....> > From: mittan_21@yahoo.com> To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu> Subje= ct: [Psych3120] Talking on a cell phone vs. talking to a passenger.> Date: = Fri=3D2C 3 Oct 2008 12:01:34 -0700> > > > I don't really understand how the= re could be a difference between talking o=3D> n a cell phone and talking t= o a passenger in the front=3D2C or especially the=3D> back seat of your car= . If the focusing on the conversation is what distrac=3D> ts you I don't se= e a difference between the two. Or especially not when you=3D> are trying t= o resolve conflicts with kids. In the book it talks about task=3D> s becomi= ng automatic with practice. I wonder if people who ride with a pass=3D> eng= er the majority of the time would be more adept at driving while talking=3D= > on the cell phone. My wife and I ride home from carpool from work everyda= y=3D> =3D2C and since often it is the only time we will spend together that= day=3D2C =3D> we have a pretty involved conversation. Does that have the s= ame distracting=3D> effect on my or her driving as talking on a cell> phone= ?> > > > > =3D20> _________________________________________________________= ________> Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live.= > http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns= !5=3D> 50F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=3D3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008=3D> >= --_df853ec5-1b7d-4f0a-880f-9aac71647ecf_> Content-Type: text/html=3B chars= et=3D"iso-8859-1"> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable> > > <= head>> > > <= body class=3D3D'hmmessage'>> I think the point of the lecture was that ther= e is no difference. He talked=3D> about listening to the passenger and list= ening to the radio using differen=3D> t parts of the brain than when talkin= g (to anyone). When talking=3D2C the par=3D> ts of the brain that are used = for attention are also used when when driving=3D> =3D2C thus splitting reso= urces and efficiency. You can listen all you want=3D2C=3D> but once you sta= rt talking back....

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Get more out of the Web. Learn 10= hidden secrets of Windo=3D> ws Live. .live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!529= 5.entry?ocid=3D3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_getmore_=3D> 092008' target=3D3D'_new'>Learn = Now> =3D> > --_df853ec5-1b7d-4f0a-880f-9aac71647ecf_--> >= --__--__--> > Message: 4> Date: Fri=2C 3 Oct 2008 13:55:59 -0600> From: "J= on Hall" > To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu> Subject:= Re: [Psych3120] Talking on a cell phone vs. talking to a passenger.> Reply= -To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu> > ------=3D_Part_19824_25528724.1223063= 759382> Content-Type: text/plain=3B charset=3DISO-8859-1> Content-Transfer-= Encoding: 7bit> Content-Disposition: inline> > He answered this in class mo= re or less. It was after we watched the two> different videos with the peop= le that needed to exit..> > He said that a passenger being in the car with = you makes all the difference=2C> as long as they are knowledgeable about th= e rules of the road=2C even> slightly. Passengers with you differ than some= one on the other line of a> phone conversation in a variety of ways. The bi= ggest difference is that they> are in the car with you. This means that unc= onsciously=2C they may stop the> conversation when distractions (like you n= eeding to shift=2C change lanes=2C> exit etc.) come up. They also conscious= ly can help you=2C since they are a> second pair of eyes. This means they c= an tell you to stop=2C slow down=2C the> light is green=2C the light is red= =2C etc.> > On Fri=2C Oct 3=2C 2008 at 1:01 PM=2C Richie Mittan wrote:> > > I don't really understand how there could be a diffe= rence between talking> > on a cell phone and talking to a passenger in the = front=2C or especially the> > back seat of your car. If the focusing on the= conversation is what distracts> > you I don't see a difference between the= two. Or especially not when you are> > trying to resolve conflicts with ki= ds. In the book it talks about tasks> > becoming automatic with practice. I= wonder if people who ride with a> > passenger the majority of the time wou= ld be more adept at driving while> > talking on the cell phone. My wife and= I ride home from carpool from work> > everyday=2C and since often it is th= e only time we will spend together that> > day=2C we have a pretty involved= conversation. Does that have the same> > distracting effect on my or her d= riving as talking on a cell phone?> >> >> >> > ------=3D_Part_19824_2552872= 4.1223063759382> Content-Type: text/html=3B charset=3DISO-8859-1> Content-T= ransfer-Encoding: 7bit> Content-Disposition: inline> >
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> > ------=3D_Par= t_19824_25528724.1223063759382--> > --__--__--> > Message: 5> Date: Fri=2C = 3 Oct 2008 14:35:14 -0600> From: "James Coleman" > = To: > Subject: [Psych3120] Auditory Attentio= n> Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu> > This is a multi-part message = in MIME format.> > ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C92597.8A56C945> Content-Type:= text/plain=3B> charset=3D"iso-8859-1"> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-p= rintable> > I found it interesting that we use top-down processing in all a= spects of =3D> perception. The "green eggs and ham" experiment using dichot= ic hearing =3D> tests was especially fascinating. Since we know that the ph= rase "green =3D> eggs" is followed by "and ham"=2C we are more likely to he= ar and predict =3D> those words compared to a four word phrase we most like= ly have not heard =3D> before. This may help explain why when we hear our n= ame=2C our attention =3D> is immediately and fully diverted to the conversa= tion in which our name =3D> was mentioned. We hear our names all the time= =2C and we have conditioned =3D> ourselves to give our attention to the per= son who called it.> > ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C92597.8A56C945> Content-Ty= pe: text/html=3B> charset=3D"iso-8859-1"> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted= -printable> > =3D0A=3D> =3D0A=3D> =3D0A=3D> = =3D0A=3D>
I found it= interesting =3D> that we use top-down processing in all aspects of percept= ion. =3B The =3D> "green eggs and ham" experiment using dichotic hearin= g tests was =3D> especially fascinating. =3B Since we know that the phr= ase "green eggs" =3D> is followed by "and ham"=2C we are more likely to hea= r and predict those =3D> words compared to a four word =3Bphrase we mos= t likely have not heard =3D> before. =3B This may =3Bhelp explain w= hy when we hear our name=2C our =3D> attention is =3Bimmediately and fu= lly diverted to the conversation in =3D> which our name =3Bwas mentione= d. =3B We hear =3Bour names all the =3D> time=2C and we have condit= ioned ourselves to give our attention to the =3D> person who called it.
> ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C92597.8A56C945--> > --_= _--__--> > Message: 6> Date: Fri=2C 3 Oct 2008 14:42:27 -0600> From: "James= Coleman" > To: > Su= bject: [Psych3120] Hemispheric Interference> Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs= .utah.edu> > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.> > ------_=3D_Nex= tPart_001_01C92598.8C5193F5> Content-Type: text/plain=3B> charset=3D"iso-88= 59-1"> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable> > In AP psychology=2C I= conducted an experiment amongst our high school =3D> student body involvin= g hemispheric interference. We gave them simple =3D> math problems to verba= lly solve while balancing a wooden dowel =3D> vertically in their hand. We = tested them with both their right and =3D> their left hands. Even if the pe= rson was right handed=2C it was much =3D> harder for them to balance the do= wel in their right hand while solving =3D> simple math problems. Since the = left brain controls the right hand and =3D> mathematic functions=2C the sub= ject had a visibly harder time balancing =3D> the dowel in the right hand t= han the left hand while attempting to solve =3D> arithmatic. I was reminded= of this experiment during the cell phone and =3D> driving lecture=2C since= hemispheric interference is a big reason why some =3D> tasks are harder to= do than others while multitasking.> > ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C92598.8C5= 193F5> Content-Type: text/html=3B> charset=3D"iso-8859-1"> Content-Transfer= -Encoding: quoted-printable> > =3D0A=3D> =3D0= A=3D> = =3D0A=3D> =3D0A=3D>
In AP psychology=2C I =3D> conducted an experiment amongst our high = school student body involving =3D> hemispheric interference. =3B We gav= e them simple math problems to =3D> verbally solve while balancing a wooden= dowel vertically in their =3D> hand. =3B We tested them with both thei= r right and their left =3D> hands. =3B Even if the person was right han= ded=2C it was much harder for =3D> them to balance the dowel in their right= hand while solving simple math =3D> problems. =3B Since the left brain= controls the right hand and =3D> mathematic functions=2C the subject had a= visibly harder time balancing =3D> the dowel in the right hand than the le= ft hand while attempting to solve =3D> arithmatic. =3B I was reminded o= f this experiment during the cell =3D> phone and driving lecture=2C since h= emispheric interference is a big =3D> reason why some tasks are harder to d= o than others while =3D> multitasking.
> ------_= =3D_NextPart_001_01C92598.8C5193F5--> > --__--__--> > Message: 7> Date: Fri= =2C 3 Oct 2008 15:45:27 -0600> From: "Kimberlee Baker" = > To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu> Subject: [Psych3120] Driving and using= cell phones> Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu> > ------=3D_Part_224= 45_3262142.1223070327152> Content-Type: text/plain=3B charset=3DISO-8859-1>= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit> Content-Disposition: inline> > I thought = the lecture about divided attention was really interesting. It is> always f= unny to see people who are good at multitasking and people who> aren't. For= instance=2C I am an okay multitasker=2C not amazing=2C but I can talk> to = someone while looking something up on the computer. On the other hand=2C> m= y husband is a terrible multitasker=2C especially when it comes to having a= > conversation. If he is on the computer and you ask him a question he will= > get half an answer out before getting distracted. Most of the time he> do= esn't even respond. If it is important I have to make him turn his back> on= whatever he is doing so that he can concentrate on what I am saying.> Anyw= ay=2C Dr. Strayer's findings on cell phone use while driving were> fascinat= ing. I never would have guessed that "hands-free" and "hand-held"> cell pho= nes would have the same effect=2C and it was even more astonishing> that dr= unk drivers are still better drivers than people who use cell> phones. It s= ort of makes sense when you think about it=2C but amazing> nonetheless.> > = ------=3D_Part_22445_3262142.1223070327152> Content-Type: text/html=3B char= set=3DISO-8859-1> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable> Content-Disp= osition: inline> >
I thought the lecture about divided a= ttention was really i=3D> nteresting. =3B It is always funny to see peo= ple who are good at multitas=3D> king and people who aren'=3Bt. =3B = For instance=2C I am an okay multitaske=3D> r=2C not amazing=2C but I can t= alk to someone while looking something up on the=3D> computer. =3B On t= he other hand=2C my husband is a terrible multitasker=2C e=3D> specially wh= en it comes to having a conversation. =3B If he is on the com=3D> puter= and you ask him a question he will get half an answer out before gett=3D> = ing distracted. =3B Most of the time he doesn'=3Bt even respond.&nbs= p=3B I=3D> f it is important I have to make him turn his back on whatever h= e is doing =3D> so that he can concentrate on what I am saying. =3B Any= way=2C Dr. Strayer&#=3D> 39=3Bs findings on cell phone use while driving we= re fascinating. =3B I nev=3D> er would have guessed that "=3Bhands-= free"=3B and "=3Bhand-held"=3B=3D> cell phones would have the s= ame effect=2C and it was even more astonishing t=3D> hat drunk drivers are = still better drivers than people who use cell phones.=3D> =3B It sort = of makes sense when you think about it=2C but amazing nonethel=3D> ess.
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> > ------=3D_Part_22445_3262142.1223070327152--> > --__--__--> > M= essage: 8> From: Ana Csere > To: > Date: Sat=2C 4 Oct 2008 00:21:27 -0600> Subject: [Psych3120] = Attention> Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu> > --_50804d17-fcba-46e2= -b766-e220df4c98f7_> Content-Type: text/plain=3B charset=3D"iso-8859-1"> Co= ntent-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable> > > I believe that there are peo= ple that are able to drive on the road while on=3D> their phones=3D2C thoug= h you usually pay attention to one of them more than =3D> the other. I thin= k that attention can be shared with multiple task it just =3D> really depen= ds how much attention is needed on each one. There are times in=3D> classes= were I will be focusing to the lecture and the next thing I know I=3D> m t= hinking about what I need to do that day or what happened the day before=3D= > . Sometimes it is hard to focus only on one specific thing when you have = so=3D> much going on.> ____________________________________________________= _____________> Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows = Live.> http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blo= g-cns!5=3D> 50F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=3D3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008= =3D> > --_50804d17-fcba-46e2-b766-e220df4c98f7_> Content-Type: text/html=3B= charset=3D"iso-8859-1"> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable> > > > > > > I believe that there are people that are= able to drive on the road while on=3D> their phones=3D2C though you usuall= y pay attention to one of them more than =3D> the other. I think that atten= tion can be shared with multiple task it just =3D> really depends how much = attention is needed on each one. There are times in=3D> =3D3Bclasses w= ere I will be focusing to the lecture and the next thing I=3D> know Im thin= king about what I need to do that day or what happened the day=3D> before. = Sometimes it is hard to focus only on one specific thing when you =3D> have= so much going on.
Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden =3D>= secrets of Windows Live. iethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid= =3D3DTXT_T=3D> AGLM_WL_getmore_092008' target=3D3D'_new'>Learn Now> =3D> > --_50804d17-fcba-46e2-b766-e220df4c98f7_--> > > --__--__-= -> > _______________________________________________> Psych3120 mailing lis= t> Psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu> http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/p= sych3120> > > End of Psych3120 Digest _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!5= 50F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008= --_f3a73097-4ffc-47fe-ad8d-3335716fa3fe_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =3B
I think everyone agrees that class was very interesting on Thursday. Learni= ng about the affects =3Bof using a cell phone while driving was pretty = alarming. Especially to know that when you are driving while talking on a c= ell phone=2C you are potentially more dangerous than a drunk driver! It was= also interesting that using a hands free cell phone device is not any safe= r. One thing that i thought about in class was if a contentious conversatio= n in the car with a passenger could have the same affects as a phone conver= sation....have you ever pulled up to a light and seen someone arguing in th= e car next to you? That cant be a good thing! Because the driver is so focu= sed in the argument=2C and i would think that it would also make them have = a little more road rage or reckless driving if they are upset. Just a thoug= ht i had about extreme emotions causing accidents or bad driving.

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>=3B 1.= (no subject) (braden parker)
>=3B 2. Talking on a cell phone vs. talk= ing to a passenger. (Richie Mittan)
>=3B 3. RE: Talking on a cell phon= e vs. talking to a passenger. (Michael Lawyer)
>=3B 4. Re: Talking on = a cell phone vs. talking to a passenger. (Jon Hall)
>=3B 5. Auditory A= ttention (James Coleman)
>=3B 6. Hemispheric Interference (James Colem= an)
>=3B 7. Driving and using cell phones (Kimberlee Baker)
>=3B = 8. Attention (Ana Csere)
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>=3B Date: Fri=2C 3 Oct 2008 12:19:37 -0600
>=3B F= rom: "braden parker" <=3Bparkerbraden@gmail.com>=3B
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>=3B It was very i= nteresting to learn about the affects that driving while
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&= gt=3B a cell phone can be more dangerous than driving drunk=2C Wow! In clas= s we
>=3B learned that in Utah=2C there is only a law against teenage = drivers=2C *I am
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>=3B <=3Bdiv dir=3D"ltr">=3B<=3Bdiv>=3BIt was v= ery interesting to learn about the affects that driving while distracted=2C= such as talking on a cell phone=2C can have.&=3Bnbsp=3B Driving while u= sing a cell phone can be more dangerous than driving drunk=2C Wow!&=3Bnb= sp=3B In class we learned that in Utah=2C there is only a law against teena= ge drivers=2C <=3Bstrong>=3BI am curious to find out what kind of fine = they recieve and if policeman really enforce this law<=3B/strong>=3B.&l= t=3B/div>=3B
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>=3B From= : Richie Mittan <=3Bmittan_21@yahoo.com>=3B
>=3B To: psych3120@lis= ts.csbs.utah.edu
>=3B Subject: [Psych3120] Talking on a cell phone vs.= talking to a passenger.
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>=3B I don't really un= derstand how there could be a difference between talking on a cell phone an= d talking to a passenger in the front=2C or especially the back seat of you= r car. If the focusing on the conversation is what distracts you I don't se= e a difference between the two. Or especially not when you are trying to re= solve conflicts with kids. In the book it talks about tasks becoming automa= tic with practice. I wonder if people who ride with a passenger the majorit= y of the time would be more adept at driving while talking on the cell phon= e. My wife and I ride home from carpool from work everyday=2C and since oft= en it is the only time we will spend together that day=2C we have a pretty = involved conversation. Does that have the same distracting effect on my or = her driving as talking on a cell phone?
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>=3B From: "Jon Hall" <= =3Bjonhall19@gmail.com>=3B
>=3B To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu>=3B Subject: Re: [Psych3120] Talking on a cell phone vs. talking to a p= assenger.
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>=3B He answered thi= s in class more or less. It was after we watched the two
>=3B differen= t videos with the people that needed to exit..
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>=3B He said= that a passenger being in the car with you makes all the difference=2C
= >=3B as long as they are knowledgeable about the rules of the road=2C eve= n
>=3B slightly. Passengers with you differ than someone on the other = line of a
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>=3B On Fri= =2C Oct 3=2C 2008 at 1:01 PM=2C Richie Mittan <=3Bmittan_21@yahoo.com>= =3B wrote:
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>=3B >=3B I don't really understand how there = could be a difference between talking
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>=3B >=3B trying to resolve conflicts with kids.= In the book it talks about tasks
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>=3B From: "James Co= leman" <=3Bjames.coleman@utah.edu>=3B
>=3B To: <=3Bpsych3120@lis= ts.csbs.utah.edu>=3B
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>=3B From: "James Coleman" <= =3Bjames.coleman@utah.edu>=3B
>=3B To: <=3Bpsych3120@lists.csbs.ut= ah.edu>=3B
>=3B Subject: [Psych3120] Hemispheric Interference
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>=3B = From: "Kimberlee Baker" <=3Bkimiko83@gmail.com>=3B
>=3B To: psych3= 120@lists.csbs.utah.edu
>=3B Subject: [Psych3120] Driving and using ce= ll phones
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Get mo= re out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. = Learn Now = --_f3a73097-4ffc-47fe-ad8d-3335716fa3fe_-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sun Oct 5 00:46:05 2008 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (angelica porras vargas) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 23:46:05 +0000 Subject: [Psych3120] Talking on a cell phone vs. talking to a passenger. In-Reply-To: References: <295015.87015.qm@web57002.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --_910051e7-01b3-4fbc-afdd-ca66a5298831_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I might be wrong but he also mentioned that there are a lot more accidents = produced by being on the phone than talking to a passsanger=2C because a p= assanger might help you be aware of the trafic rules or let you know if you= are making a mistake while driving=2C and even though both are dangerous = =2C cell phones seem to take up more of our attention than talking to some = one in the car. From: mlawyer@hotmail.comTo: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.eduSubject: RE: [Psy= ch3120] Talking on a cell phone vs. talking to a passenger.Date: Fri=2C 3 O= ct 2008 12:9:19 -0700 I think the point of the lecture was that there is no difference. He talked= about listening to the passenger and listening to the radio using differen= t parts of the brain than when talking (to anyone). When talking=2C the par= ts of the brain that are used for attention are also used when when driving= =2C thus splitting resources and efficiency. You can listen all you want=2C= but once you start talking back.... From: mittan_21@yahoo.comTo: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.eduSubject: [Psych31= 20] Talking on a cell phone vs. talking to a passenger.Date: Fri=2C 3 Oct 2= 008 12:01:34 -0700 I don't really understand how there could be a difference between talking o= n a cell phone and talking to a passenger in the front=2C or especially the= back seat of your car. If the focusing on the conversation is what distrac= ts you I don't see a difference between the two. Or especially not when you= are trying to resolve conflicts with kids. In the book it talks about task= s becoming automatic with practice. I wonder if people who ride with a pass= enger the majority of the time would be more adept at driving while talking= on the cell phone. My wife and I ride home from carpool from work everyday= =2C and since often it is the only time we will spend together that day=2C = we have a pretty involved conversation. Does that have the same distracting= effect on my or her driving as talking on a cell phone? Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. Learn Now= =20 _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Space= s. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=3Dcreate&wx_url=3D/friends.= aspx&mkt=3Den-us= --_910051e7-01b3-4fbc-afdd-ca66a5298831_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I might be wrong but he also mentioned that there are a lot more accide= nts produced by being on the phone than talking to a passsanger=2C because&= nbsp=3B a passanger might help you be aware of the trafic rules or let you = know if you are making a mistake while driving=2C and even though both are = dangerous =2C cell phones seem to take up more of our attention than talkin= g to some one in the car.

From: mlawyer@hotmail.com
To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu
Subject: = RE: [Psych3120] Talking on a cell phone vs. talking to a passenger.
Date= : Fri=2C 3 Oct 2008 12:9:19 -0700

I think the point of the lecture was that there is no difference. He talked= about listening to the passenger and listening to the radio using differen= t parts of the brain than when talking (to anyone). When talking=2C the par= ts of the brain that are used for attention are also used when when driving= =2C thus splitting resources and efficiency. You can listen all you want=2C= but once you start talking back....

From: mittan_21@yahoo.com
To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu
Subject: = [Psych3120] Talking on a cell phone vs. talking to a passenger.
Date: Fr= i=2C 3 Oct 2008 12:01:34 -0700

I don't really understand how there could be a difference between talk= ing on a cell phone and talking to a passenger in the front=2C or especiall= y the back seat of your car. If the focusing on the conversation is what di= stracts you I don't see a difference between the two. Or especially not whe= n you are trying to resolve conflicts with kids. In the book it talks about= tasks becoming automatic with practice. I wonder if people who ride with a= passenger the majority of the time would be more adept at driving while ta= lking on the cell phone. My wife and I ride home from carpool from work eve= ryday=2C and since often it is the only time we will spend together that da= y=2C we have a pretty involved conversation. Does that have the same distra= cting effect on my or her driving as talking on a cell phone?

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Invite your mail contacts to join your = friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! Try it! = --_910051e7-01b3-4fbc-afdd-ca66a5298831_-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sun Oct 5 06:25:22 2008 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 05:25:22 +0000 Subject: [Psych3120] Distractions Message-ID: <1410525872-1223184353-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1559125302-@bxe138.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I was very interested to learn about distractions.� It was amazing to learn that the effects of psychological distractions are just as devastating as chemical distractions.� Cell phones have been made illegal while driving in many cities and states; this should be looked at as a nation wide implementation.� During a lab lat semester, I learned that my ability to do cognitive functions while driving seriously affected my ability to drive safely.� I was shocked at how many times I wrecked during the simulation. Dan Wright With Love and Laughter, Together We Make a Family... From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sun Oct 5 07:04:39 2008 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (NATHAN WILLIAM VAN RIJ) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 00:04:39 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Talking on a cell phone vs. talking to a passenger. References: <295015.87015.qm@web57002.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1DB5F7071DD8F84384FDD603F217F6F676FB32@CAMPUSV3.xds.umail.utah.edu> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C926B0.4042C4ED Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I also wondered how there could be a significant difference between = talking on a cell and talking to a passenger. Actually from personal = experience i know that talking to a passenger can be very distracting. = Earlier this year I got in car wreck when talking to my wife, she asked = me a question when i was turning left and it distracted me at the wrong = time. The only ideas that i had about why it was worse is talking on a cell = phone takes you mind out of the car so you are thinking about the person = you are talking to. Also when talking on a cell phone silent pauses are = awkward, but in a face to face conversation pausing the conversation = when you need to think about something else is normal. 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<743324.94587.qm@web33802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I wonder if part of the reason talking on a cell phone is so distracting is partly because when a person is talking to someone on the phone they have to visualize the person they are talking to and that distracts from watching the road. That probably corresponds to the idea that a passenger in the car would know what was going on around you and so you wouldn't have to clue them in to it. I don't know if someone already brought this up but I was wondering if looking out for landmark as you are driving is as distracting as talking on a cell phone. I notice that I tend to slow down when I'm looking for a store I haven't been to before and I sometimes don't see other things around me. Maybe that occurs because I'm so focused on finding the store that I tune everything else out. From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sun Oct 5 17:38:01 2008 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (JALEAH HOLMAN) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 10:38:01 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: <5B0D55A102C3104F8992F86B340F3132B8F20E@CAMPUSV2.xds.umail.utah.edu> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C92708.BB54707A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I thought that the discussion on divided attention and mainly cell = phones and driving was really interesting. I think that the Multiple = Resource Theory makes sense. In my personal experience I have found = that I can process two different things at the same time, but I have = also seen that I do have a limited capacity for attention and allocating = it to different areas. If I pay a lot of attention to one thing the = other things that are going on suffer. This really applies to talking = on a cell phone while driving. Even though I knew that talking while = driving wasn't a good idea, I had no idea that it was worse than driving = legally drunk. That is astonishing to me. This information should be = more public and well known. Maybe it would make people stop talking on = their cell phones and pay more attention to the important task at hand. = -JaLeah Holman Kellogg ------_=_NextPart_001_01C92708.BB54707A Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I thought that the discussion on divided attention and = mainly cell phones and driving was really interesting. I think = that the Multiple Resource Theory makes sense. In my personal = experience I have found that I can process two different things at the = same time, but I have also seen that I do have a limited capacity for = attention and allocating it to different areas. If I pay a lot of = attention to one thing the other things that are going on suffer. = This really applies to talking on a cell phone while driving. Even = though I knew that talking while driving wasn't a good idea, I had no = idea that it was worse than driving legally drunk. That is = astonishing to me. This information should be more public and well = known. Maybe it would make people stop talking on their cell = phones and pay more attention to the important task at hand. -JaLeah = Holman Kellogg
------_=_NextPart_001_01C92708.BB54707A-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sun Oct 5 20:37:30 2008 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Aaron Norton) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 13:37:30 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Cell phone vs hands-free Message-ID: ------=_Part_32205_21810013.1223235450177 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I had always thought that, although it seems a bit silly now, that talking with a hands-free set was less distracting. I had always at least felt more attentive and less concentrated on the conversation while using hands-free over the cell-phone. However, we learned differently in class. I especially found the videos interesting. Watching the difference between those on cell-phones and those with passengers was really cool. I think I may just have to go be a participant up in the lab sometime this semester. -Aaron Norton ------=_Part_32205_21810013.1223235450177 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
I had always thought that, although it seems a bit silly now, that talking with a hands-free set was less distracting. I had always at least felt more attentive and less concentrated on the conversation while using hands-free over the cell-phone. However, we learned differently in class. I especially found the videos interesting. Watching the difference between those on cell-phones and those with passengers was really cool. I think I may just have to go be a participant up in the lab sometime this semester.

-Aaron Norton

------=_Part_32205_21810013.1223235450177-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sun Oct 5 21:53:37 2008 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Erin Hellstrom) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 13:53:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Divided Attention Message-ID: <954513.4879.qm@web32605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --0-1466906623-1223240017=:4879 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think that it makes perfect sense that being on a cell phone increases th= e=A0risk for getting into an accident.=A0 The person who you are conversing= with on the phone has no idea of your surroundings or encounters on the ro= ad, unlike an in-car passenger.=A0An in-car passenger can tell when to paus= e their conversation, or even assist in driving (looking for cars,=A0an add= ress, or general surroundings).=A0 Even having kids in the car isn't as bad= as talking on the phone, because the kids are in the car so they are part = of your driving reality.=A0 Someone on the cell phone is doing their own th= ing (maybe driving themselves or shopping at the=A0grocery store).=A0=A0And= kids talking or=A0laughing or even screaming in the backseat don't take aw= ay that much attention.=A0=A0How many of you have been yelled at by your mo= ms or dad to SHUT UP of STOP IT while driving?=A0 Not too many cell phone t= alkers yell SHUT UP or STOP IT to the listener while on the phone. =A0=A0= =A0 Erin Hellstrom=0A=0A=0A --0-1466906623-1223240017=:4879 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I think that it makes perfect sense that being on a cell phone increases the risk for getting into an accident. The person who you are conversing with on the phone has no idea of your surroundings or encounters on the road, unlike an in-car passenger. An in-car passenger can tell when to pause their conversation, or even assist in driving (looking for cars, an address, or general surroundings). Even having kids in the car isn't as bad as talking on the phone, because the kids are in the car so they are part of your driving reality. Someone on the cell phone is doing their own thing (maybe driving themselves or shopping at the grocery store). And kids talking or laughing or even screaming in the backseat don't take away that much attention. How many of you have been yelled at by your moms or dad to SHUT UP of STOP IT while driving? Not too many cell phone talkers yell SHUT UP or STOP IT to the listener while on the phone.

Erin Hellstrom

--0-1466906623-1223240017=:4879-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Mon Oct 6 00:58:42 2008 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Nicole Marie Barber) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 17:58:42 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] RE: Psych3120 digest, Vol 1 #1253 - 5 msgs References: <200810051803.m95I35uc018093@topo.csbs.utah.edu> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C92746.D8F384ED Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i found this weeks lecture really interesting. all the evidence that was = presented on the negative side effects of talking on cell phones and = texting while driving has mad me stop doing both (at least for the time) = I know that i am not as focused on teh raod when i am on the phone but = when it hasnt caused an accident or problem yet (in my own experience) = has made it hard for me to stop. but after thursays lecture i have made = an effort. what really surprised me was the statistics that show that it = didnt make a difference whether or not the cell phone was handheld or = hands-free. and also that the effects of a passenger did not have the = same results as a cell phone. Is this because the passenger was able to = help the driver and warn them of potential problems or accidents? = because i dont see much of a difference between talking to a passenger = and talking on the phone... ________________________________ From: psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu on behalf of = psych3120-request@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sent: Sun 10/5/2008 12:03 PM To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: Psych3120 digest, Vol 1 #1253 - 5 msgs Send Psych3120 mailing list submissions to psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to psych3120-request@lists.csbs.utah.edu You can reach the person managing the list at psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Psych3120 digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: Talking on a cell phone vs. talking to a passenger. (angelica = porras vargas) 2. Distractions (loveandlaughter14@gmail.com) 3. RE: Talking on a cell phone vs. talking to a passenger. (NATHAN = WILLIAM VAN RIJ) 4. Effect of visualizing a person during a conversation (Geoff Sink) 5. (no subject) (JALEAH HOLMAN) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: angelica porras vargas To: Subject: RE: [Psych3120] Talking on a cell phone vs. talking to a = passenger. Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 23:46:05 +0000 Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu --_910051e7-01b3-4fbc-afdd-ca66a5298831_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I might be wrong but he also mentioned that there are a lot more = accidents =3D produced by being on the phone than talking to a passsanger=3D2C because = a p=3D assanger might help you be aware of the trafic rules or let you know if = you=3D are making a mistake while driving=3D2C and even though both are = dangerous =3D =3D2C cell phones seem to take up more of our attention than talking to = some =3D one in the car. From: mlawyer@hotmail.comTo: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.eduSubject: RE: = [Psy=3D ch3120] Talking on a cell phone vs. talking to a passenger.Date: = Fri=3D2C 3 O=3D ct 2008 12:9:19 -0700 I think the point of the lecture was that there is no difference. He = talked=3D about listening to the passenger and listening to the radio using = differen=3D t parts of the brain than when talking (to anyone). When talking=3D2C = the par=3D ts of the brain that are used for attention are also used when when = driving=3D =3D2C thus splitting resources and efficiency. You can listen all you = want=3D2C=3D but once you start talking back.... From: mittan_21@yahoo.comTo: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.eduSubject: = [Psych31=3D 20] Talking on a cell phone vs. talking to a passenger.Date: Fri=3D2C 3 = Oct 2=3D 008 12:01:34 -0700 I don't really understand how there could be a difference between = talking o=3D n a cell phone and talking to a passenger in the front=3D2C or = especially the=3D back seat of your car. If the focusing on the conversation is what = distrac=3D ts you I don't see a difference between the two. Or especially not when = you=3D are trying to resolve conflicts with kids. In the book it talks about = task=3D s becoming automatic with practice. I wonder if people who ride with a = pass=3D enger the majority of the time would be more adept at driving while = talking=3D on the cell phone. My wife and I ride home from carpool from work = everyday=3D =3D2C and since often it is the only time we will spend together that = day=3D2C =3D we have a pretty involved conversation. Does that have the same = distracting=3D effect on my or her driving as talking on a cell phone? Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. Learn = Now=3D =3D20 _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live = Space=3D s. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=3D3Dcreate&wx_url=3D3D/fr= iends.=3D aspx&mkt=3D3Den-us=3D --_910051e7-01b3-4fbc-afdd-ca66a5298831_ Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I might be wrong but he also mentioned that there are a lot more = accide=3D nts produced by being on the phone than talking to a passsanger=3D2C = because&=3D nbsp=3D3B a passanger might help you be aware of the trafic rules or let = you =3D know if you are making a mistake while driving=3D2C and even though both = are =3D dangerous =3D2C cell phones seem to take up more of our attention than = talkin=3D g to some one in the car.

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I think the point of the lecture was that there is no difference. He = talked=3D about listening to the passenger and listening to the radio using = differen=3D t parts of the brain than when talking (to anyone). When talking=3D2C = the par=3D ts of the brain that are used for attention are also used when when = driving=3D =3D2C thus splitting resources and efficiency. You can listen all you = want=3D2C=3D but once you start talking back....

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Date: = Fr=3D i=3D2C 3 Oct 2008 12:01:34 -0700

I don't really understand how there could be a difference between = talk=3D ing on a cell phone and talking to a passenger in the front=3D2C or = especiall=3D y the back seat of your car. If the focusing on the conversation is what = di=3D stracts you I don't see a difference between the two. Or especially not = whe=3D n you are trying to resolve conflicts with kids. In the book it talks = about=3D tasks becoming automatic with practice. I wonder if people who ride = with a=3D passenger the majority of the time would be more adept at driving while = ta=3D lking on the cell phone. My wife and I ride home from carpool from work = eve=3D ryday=3D2C and since often it is the only time we will spend together = that da=3D y=3D2C we have a pretty involved conversation. Does that have the same = distra=3D cting effect on my or her driving as talking on a cell phone?

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Dan Wright With Love and Laughter, Together We Make a Family... --__--__-- Message: 3 Subject: RE: [Psych3120] Talking on a cell phone vs. talking to a = passenger. Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 00:04:39 -0600 From: "NATHAN WILLIAM VAN RIJ" To: Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C926B0.4042C4ED Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I also wondered how there could be a significant difference between =3D talking on a cell and talking to a passenger. Actually from personal =3D experience i know that talking to a passenger can be very distracting. = =3D Earlier this year I got in car wreck when talking to my wife, she asked = =3D me a question when i was turning left and it distracted me at the wrong = =3D time. 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Geoff Sink To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] Effect of visualizing a person during a = conversation Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu I wonder if part of the reason talking on a cell phone is so distracting = is partly because when a person is talking to someone on the phone they = have to visualize the person they are talking to and that distracts from = watching the road. That probably corresponds to the idea that a = passenger in the car would know what was going on around you and so you = wouldn't have to clue them in to it. I don't know if someone already = brought this up but I was wondering if looking out for landmark as you = are driving is as distracting as talking on a cell phone. I notice that = I tend to slow down when I'm looking for a store I haven't been to = before and I sometimes don't see other things around me. Maybe that = occurs because I'm so focused on finding the store that I tune = everything else out. =20 --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 10:38:01 -0600 From: "JALEAH HOLMAN" To: Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C92708.BB54707A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I thought that the discussion on divided attention and mainly cell =3D phones and driving was really interesting. I think that the Multiple = =3D Resource Theory makes sense. In my personal experience I have found =3D that I can process two different things at the same time, but I have =3D also seen that I do have a limited capacity for attention and allocating = =3D it to different areas. If I pay a lot of attention to one thing the =3D other things that are going on suffer. This really applies to talking = =3D on a cell phone while driving. Even though I knew that talking while = =3D driving wasn't a good idea, I had no idea that it was worse than driving = =3D legally drunk. That is astonishing to me. This information should be = =3D more public and well known. Maybe it would make people stop talking on = =3D their cell phones and pay more attention to the important task at hand. = =3D -JaLeah Holman Kellogg ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C92708.BB54707A Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I thought that the discussion on divided attention = and =3D mainly cell phones and driving was really interesting. I think =3D that the Multiple Resource Theory makes sense. In my personal =3D experience I have found that I can process two different things at the = =3D same time, but I have also seen that I do have a limited capacity for = =3D attention and allocating it to different areas. If I pay a lot of = =3D attention to one thing the other things that are going on suffer. = =3D This really applies to talking on a cell phone while driving. Even = =3D though I knew that talking while driving wasn't a good idea, I had no = =3D idea that it was worse than driving legally drunk. That is =3D astonishing to me. This information should be more public and well = =3D known. Maybe it would make people stop talking on their cell =3D phones and pay more attention to the important task at hand. -JaLeah =3D Holman Kellogg
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have heard that having a passenger in the car while talking on the = phone decreases the effects on your divided attention. This is due to = the fact that the passenger acts as a lookout and will see things that = the person on the phone will miss. I have also heard that having a = conversation with the passenger can cause inattentional blindness like = being on a cell phone will because they are too focused on the = conversation. Except they will be helped out a little like before = because the passenger will help them to see hazards in the road. Has = there been any research supporting this? Robbie Bullock ------_=_NextPart_001_01C92746.D9470321 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable week 5 entry

I have heard that having a passenger in the car while = talking on the phone decreases the effects on your divided attention. = This is due to the fact that the passenger acts as a lookout and will = see things that the person on the phone will miss. I have also heard = that having a conversation with the passenger can cause inattentional = blindness like being on a cell phone will because they are too focused = on the conversation. Except they will be helped out a little like before = because the passenger will help them to see hazards in the road. Has = there been any research supporting this?

Robbie Bullock
------_=_NextPart_001_01C92746.D9470321-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Mon Oct 6 02:16:19 2008 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Lara Nash) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 19:16:19 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] selective attention and relationships Message-ID: --_0ddea89b-619c-4090-8053-f67b6aa4e95e_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am interested in the effects of selective attention on relationships. Bec= ause we are not able to focus our attention on everything in the world arou= nd us we have a tendency to orient ourselves toward=2C or process informati= on from only one part of the environment with the exclusion of other parts.= In other words=2C we are very selective about the things we notice and to = which we give our attention. So=2C I am wondering if this has any implicati= ons for relationships. What do you focus your attention on in your relation= ships? Do you pay attention to the overflowing garbage that your partner ha= sn't taken out yet or the clean dishes? Do you notice things that indicate = that your partner may be cheating on you or are these things not brought to= your attention? And why do we tend to ignore certain behaviors of our part= ner(especially behaviors we don't like) early in the relationship but notic= e them more later in the relationship? It seems that in relationships we p= ay attention to certain things while ignoring others. I am wondering if thi= s is due to selective attention or something else. Any thoughts?=20 _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!5= 50F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008= --_0ddea89b-619c-4090-8053-f67b6aa4e95e_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am interested in the effects of selective attention on relationships.&nbs= p=3BBecause we are not able to focus our attention on everything in the wor= ld around us we =3Bhave a tendency to orient =3Bourselves toward=2C= or process information from only one part of the environment with the excl= usion of other parts. In other words=2C we are very selective about the thi= ngs we notice and to which we give our attention. So=2C I am wondering if t= his has any implications for relationships. What do you focus your attentio= n on in your relationships? Do you pay attention to the overflowing garbage= that your partner hasn't taken out yet or the clean dishes? Do you notice = things that indicate that your partner may be cheating on you or are these = things not brought to your attention? And why do we tend to ignore certain = behaviors of our partner(especially behaviors we don't like) early in the r= elationship but notice them more later in the relationship? =3BIt seem= s that in relationships we pay attention to certain things while ignoring o= thers. I am wondering if this is due to selective attention or something el= se. Any thoughts?
Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secr= ets of Windows Live. Learn Now = --_0ddea89b-619c-4090-8053-f67b6aa4e95e_-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Mon Oct 6 03:07:52 2008 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (braden parker) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 20:07:52 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Message-ID: <1047fb640810051907u29fa5f4x3e3d5af6da052b11@mail.gmail.com> ------=_Part_55021_11368200.1223258872941 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline It has been interesting to look at the techniques that companies use to catch our attention. Marketing agencies use color, position, and images that tend to capture the attention of their potential customers. The image we saw in class of Time Square with all of its advertisements did appear very overwhelming as one company tries to out do its neighboring competition. I am hoping that in class, we can study some of the techniques used by marketers. Braden Johnson Parker ------=_Part_55021_11368200.1223258872941 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
It has been interesting to look at the techniques that companies use to catch our attention. Marketing agencies use color, position, and images that tend to capture the attention of their potential customers. The image we saw in class of Time Square with all of its advertisements did appear very overwhelming as one company tries to out do its neighboring competition. I am hoping that in class, we can study some of the techniques used by marketers.
Braden Johnson Parker
------=_Part_55021_11368200.1223258872941-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Mon Oct 6 03:08:26 2008 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:08:26 +0000 Subject: [Psych3120] Week 6: Cell Phones (Eric Gully) Message-ID: <100620080208.13107.48E9731A000B0A460000333322007481849704049A09060A@comcast.net> Last fall semester I took the research methods class and participated in a cell phone observational study. I conducted my study on foothill Drive. I found it pretty interesting being able to actually see for myself how cell phones do in fact effect driving. If a person was talking on a cell phone, the error I found the most was that the driver would almost always go through a yellow light rather than stopping. A few of the cell phone drivers even ran red lights, possible seeing the light but not comprehending what they were seeing. It was very obvious that people talking on a cell phone while driving had a very significant level of error. I also observed if the driver had a "hand held phone", or one attached to the ear, and either way it did not matter, the same level of error was seen. The class lecture was also interesting to find out that my observations did match the data done in other studies. Looking over the notes, the data said that driving with a cell phone lead to a 4-fold increase in accidents. It didn't matter if the driver had a hand held or connected phone the same level of accidents were calculated. It seems that driving with a cell phone isn't such a good idea, and that maybe we think we are paying attention to the road while talking on a cell phone, but studies show that we are seeing the objects while driving, but we are not processing what we are seeing. It is a well to do study and should be looked into further. Thanks, Eric Gully From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Mon Oct 6 03:18:48 2008 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Alex Ryan Janak) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 20:18:48 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Week 6 post Message-ID: <10D182F71B23304495DE115306E3EDB9218E6E@CAMPUSV3.xds.umail.utah.edu> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C92759.E28D1C4D Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable After hearing Tuesday's lecture on varieties of attention, I was = interested in selective attention. I have never studied this topic = before, but it made me think of my grandparents. My grandma always = accuses my grandpa of having "selective hearing", meaning he acts like = he cant hear her when she is talking about something he doesn't want to = hear or do. I wonder if this is always a cognitive decision by him to = ignore her, or if his brain actually does "tune out" these = conversations, deeming them irrelevant. =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C92759.E28D1C4D Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A=
After hearing Tuesday's = lecture on varieties of attention, I was interested in selective = attention. I have never studied this topic before, but it made me = think of my grandparents. My grandma always accuses = my grandpa of having "selective hearing", meaning he acts like he = cant hear her when she is talking about something he doesn't want to = hear or do. I wonder if this is always a cognitive decision by him = to ignore her, or if his brain actually does "tune out" these = conversations, deeming them irrelevant.
------_=_NextPart_001_01C92759.E28D1C4D-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Mon Oct 6 04:16:23 2008 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (NICHOLAS KIRK WILCOX) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 21:16:23 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] Inattentional Blindness and Bikes Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C92761.E9159CC9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Like Kristie, I also found inattentional blindness particularly = interesting, because of the encounters I have had with drivers while = riding my bicycle and motorcycle. There are all too many stories just = like hers I hear every day. I wonder if there is anything that we can do = to remedy the problem, aside from trying to draw more attention to = ourselves (which seems to provide little help often times) what else can = be done. It seems that it is just the way our brains are wired and we = won=92t ever be able to attend to all the info around us. I guess a = technique that advertisers use is education, which makes sense to some = degree. I guess if they can make bicycles something that we want to = attend to or know we need to attend to it could help, but I don=92t = think it will ever fix the problem. On a side note most have probably = seen the video, but here is another good example of inattentional = blindness. http://www.dothetest.co.uk/ ------_=_NextPart_001_01C92761.E9159CC9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Inattentional Blindness and Bikes
Like Kristie, I also found inattentional blindness = particularly interesting, because of the encounters I have had with = drivers while riding my bicycle and motorcycle. There are all too many = stories just like hers I hear every day. I wonder if there is anything = that we can do to remedy the problem, aside from trying to draw more = attention to ourselves (which seems to provide little help often times) = what else can be done. It seems that it is just the way our brains are = wired and we won’t ever be able to attend to all the info around = us. I guess a technique that advertisers use is education, which makes = sense to some degree. I guess if they can make bicycles something that = we want to attend to or know we need to attend to it could help, but I = don’t think it will ever fix the problem. On a side note most have = probably seen the video, but here is another good example of = inattentional blindness.

http://www.dothetest.co.uk/

------_=_NextPart_001_01C92761.E9159CC9-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Mon Oct 6 05:40:19 2008 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (Russell Armstrong) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 21:40:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Psych3120] Better attention than some Message-ID: <231832.58108.qm@web51111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --0-2054265884-1223268019=:58108 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm an extreme multi-tasker. My sister on the other hand can only do one thing at a time; she can barely eat and watch TV at the same time. I however will do homework while watching a movie, talking to my wife and eating. However the lesson on using a cell-phone while driving was still enlightening. I have worked in sales for many years and it is a habit to talk on the cell-phone all the time, even while driving. I always thought i was pretty good at it but I think the video and lessons show that no matter how good we think we are, we are probably just more lucky or just a little better at it rather than a great driver while we talk on the phone. I understood this a little more with a friend that while on the phone and driving he would make illegal turns and run lights and basically it was scary to ride with him and he had to stop as he soon realized he was going to get himself killed. I do a lot less of it now but on occasion I still answer that call while driving but even if I think i'm great at it I think science can prove me wrong. Russell Armstrong --0-2054265884-1223268019=:58108 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I'm an extreme multi-tasker. My sister on the other hand can only do one thing at a time; she can barely eat and watch TV at the same time. I however will do homework while watching a movie, talking to my wife and eating. However the lesson on using a cell-phone while driving was still enlightening. I have worked in sales for many years and it is a habit to talk on the cell-phone all the time, even while driving. I always thought i was pretty good at it but I think the video and lessons show that no matter how good we think we are, we are probably just more lucky or just a little better at it rather than a great driver while we talk on the phone. I understood this a little more with a friend that while on the phone and driving he would make illegal turns and run lights and basically it was scary to ride with him and he had to stop as he soon realized he was going to get himself killed. I do a lot less of it now but on occasion I still answer that call while driving but even if I think i'm great at it I think science can prove me wrong.

Russell Armstrong

--0-2054265884-1223268019=:58108-- From psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Mon Oct 6 05:58:06 2008 From: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu (SHONDA LEE BUCKLAND) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 22:58:06 -0600 Subject: [Psych3120] OVERLOAD-SHONDA BUCKLAND References: <200810051803.m95I35uc018093@topo.csbs.utah.edu> Message-ID: <5D50840A9272CF4694EF4728F6FD0584561C85@CAMPUSV2.xds.umail.utah.edu> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C92770.1EE295D8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think that overload causes alot of distraction as well. Not only with = talking on the cell phone or passenger but in everyday life like work. = At my job my managers overextend our attention of particular things and = then expect that there are no errors. It is hard to take in everything = so maybe your brain or attention shuts down to try to avoid the overload = that is occuring. With that it doesn't notice take in a cognitive = notion of everything that should be done. This is even with a great = amount of practice. Shonda Buckland ________________________________ From: psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu on behalf of = psych3120-request@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sent: Sun 10/5/2008 12:03 PM To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: Psych3120 digest, Vol 1 #1253 - 5 msgs Send Psych3120 mailing list submissions to psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/listinfo.cgi/psych3120 or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to psych3120-request@lists.csbs.utah.edu You can reach the person managing the list at psych3120-admin@lists.csbs.utah.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Psych3120 digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: Talking on a cell phone vs. talking to a passenger. (angelica = porras vargas) 2. Distractions (loveandlaughter14@gmail.com) 3. RE: Talking on a cell phone vs. talking to a passenger. (NATHAN = WILLIAM VAN RIJ) 4. Effect of visualizing a person during a conversation (Geoff Sink) 5. (no subject) (JALEAH HOLMAN) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: angelica porras vargas To: Subject: RE: [Psych3120] Talking on a cell phone vs. talking to a = passenger. Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 23:46:05 +0000 Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu --_910051e7-01b3-4fbc-afdd-ca66a5298831_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I might be wrong but he also mentioned that there are a lot more = accidents =3D produced by being on the phone than talking to a passsanger=3D2C because = a p=3D assanger might help you be aware of the trafic rules or let you know if = you=3D are making a mistake while driving=3D2C and even though both are = dangerous =3D =3D2C cell phones seem to take up more of our attention than talking to = some =3D one in the car. From: mlawyer@hotmail.comTo: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.eduSubject: RE: = [Psy=3D ch3120] Talking on a cell phone vs. talking to a passenger.Date: = Fri=3D2C 3 O=3D ct 2008 12:9:19 -0700 I think the point of the lecture was that there is no difference. He = talked=3D about listening to the passenger and listening to the radio using = differen=3D t parts of the brain than when talking (to anyone). When talking=3D2C = the par=3D ts of the brain that are used for attention are also used when when = driving=3D =3D2C thus splitting resources and efficiency. You can listen all you = want=3D2C=3D but once you start talking back.... From: mittan_21@yahoo.comTo: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.eduSubject: = [Psych31=3D 20] Talking on a cell phone vs. talking to a passenger.Date: Fri=3D2C 3 = Oct 2=3D 008 12:01:34 -0700 I don't really understand how there could be a difference between = talking o=3D n a cell phone and talking to a passenger in the front=3D2C or = especially the=3D back seat of your car. If the focusing on the conversation is what = distrac=3D ts you I don't see a difference between the two. Or especially not when = you=3D are trying to resolve conflicts with kids. In the book it talks about = task=3D s becoming automatic with practice. I wonder if people who ride with a = pass=3D enger the majority of the time would be more adept at driving while = talking=3D on the cell phone. My wife and I ride home from carpool from work = everyday=3D =3D2C and since often it is the only time we will spend together that = day=3D2C =3D we have a pretty involved conversation. 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I might be wrong but he also mentioned that there are a lot more = accide=3D nts produced by being on the phone than talking to a passsanger=3D2C = because&=3D nbsp=3D3B a passanger might help you be aware of the trafic rules or let = you =3D know if you are making a mistake while driving=3D2C and even though both = are =3D dangerous =3D2C cell phones seem to take up more of our attention than = talkin=3D g to some one in the car.

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I think the point of the lecture was that there is no difference. He = talked=3D about listening to the passenger and listening to the radio using = differen=3D t parts of the brain than when talking (to anyone). When talking=3D2C = the par=3D ts of the brain that are used for attention are also used when when = driving=3D =3D2C thus splitting resources and efficiency. You can listen all you = want=3D2C=3D but once you start talking back....

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Date: = Fr=3D i=3D2C 3 Oct 2008 12:01:34 -0700

I don't really understand how there could be a difference between = talk=3D ing on a cell phone and talking to a passenger in the front=3D2C or = especiall=3D y the back seat of your car. If the focusing on the conversation is what = di=3D stracts you I don't see a difference between the two. Or especially not = whe=3D n you are trying to resolve conflicts with kids. In the book it talks = about=3D tasks becoming automatic with practice. I wonder if people who ride = with a=3D passenger the majority of the time would be more adept at driving while = ta=3D lking on the cell phone. My wife and I ride home from carpool from work = eve=3D ryday=3D2C and since often it is the only time we will spend together = that da=3D y=3D2C we have a pretty involved conversation. Does that have the same = distra=3D cting effect on my or her driving as talking on a cell phone?

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Invite your mail contacts to join = your =3D friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! =20 live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=3D3Dcreate&wx_url=3D3D/friends.aspx&mkt= =3D3Den-=3D us' target=3D3D'_new'>Try it! =3D --_910051e7-01b3-4fbc-afdd-ca66a5298831_-- --__--__-- Message: 2 To: "~Psych 3120 board" From: loveandlaughter14@gmail.com Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 05:25:22 +0000 Subject: [Psych3120] Distractions Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu I was very interested to learn about distractions. It was amazing to = learn that the effects of psychological distractions are just as = devastating as chemical distractions. Cell phones have been made = illegal while driving in many cities and states; this should be looked = at as a nation wide implementation. During a lab lat semester, I = learned that my ability to do cognitive functions while driving = seriously affected my ability to drive safely. I was shocked at how = many times I wrecked during the simulation. Dan Wright With Love and Laughter, Together We Make a Family... --__--__-- Message: 3 Subject: RE: [Psych3120] Talking on a cell phone vs. talking to a = passenger. Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 00:04:39 -0600 From: "NATHAN WILLIAM VAN RIJ" To: Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C926B0.4042C4ED Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I also wondered how there could be a significant difference between =3D talking on a cell and talking to a passenger. Actually from personal =3D experience i know that talking to a passenger can be very distracting. = =3D Earlier this year I got in car wreck when talking to my wife, she asked = =3D me a question when i was turning left and it distracted me at the wrong = =3D time. 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Geoff Sink To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: [Psych3120] Effect of visualizing a person during a = conversation Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu I wonder if part of the reason talking on a cell phone is so distracting = is partly because when a person is talking to someone on the phone they = have to visualize the person they are talking to and that distracts from = watching the road. That probably corresponds to the idea that a = passenger in the car would know what was going on around you and so you = wouldn't have to clue them in to it. I don't know if someone already = brought this up but I was wondering if looking out for landmark as you = are driving is as distracting as talking on a cell phone. I notice that = I tend to slow down when I'm looking for a store I haven't been to = before and I sometimes don't see other things around me. Maybe that = occurs because I'm so focused on finding the store that I tune = everything else out. =20 --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 10:38:01 -0600 From: "JALEAH HOLMAN" To: Subject: [Psych3120] (no subject) Reply-To: psych3120@lists.csbs.utah.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C92708.BB54707A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I thought that the discussion on divided attention and mainly cell =3D phones and driving was really interesting. I think that the Multiple = =3D Resource Theory makes sense. In my personal experience I have found =3D that I can process two different things at the same time, but I have =3D also seen that I do have a limited capacity for attention and allocating = =3D it to different areas. If I pay a lot of attention to one thing the =3D other things that are going on suffer. This really applies to talking = =3D on a cell phone while driving. Even though I knew that talking while = =3D driving wasn't a good idea, I had no idea that it was worse than driving = =3D legally drunk. That is astonishing to me. This information should be = =3D more public and well known. Maybe it would make people stop talking on = =3D their cell phones and pay more attention to the important task at hand. = =3D -JaLeah Holman Kellogg ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C92708.BB54707A Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I thought that the discussion on divided attention = and =3D mainly cell phones and driving was really interesting. I think =3D that the Multiple Resource Theory makes sense. In my personal =3D experience I have found that I can process two different things at the = =3D same time, but I have also seen that I do have a limited capacity for = =3D attention and allocating it to different areas. If I pay a lot of = =3D attention to one thing the other things that are going on suffer. = =3D This really applies to talking on a cell phone while driving. Even = =3D though I knew that talking while driving wasn't a good idea, I had no = =3D idea that it was worse than driving legally drunk. That is =3D astonishing to me. This information should be more public and well = =3D known. Maybe it would make people stop talking on their cell =3D phones and pay more attention to the important task at hand. -JaLeah =3D Holman Kellogg
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