Reply to Wes on Stalin

Tue Aug 9 07:06:48 MDT 1994

     I see no valid reason to link Stalin's systematic state torture to
     Marx, Wes.  The anti-humanism of *some* post-Marx Marxists (e.g.
     Althusser) does not call into question the value of human life, but
     the humanist philosophy of history and society that puts individual
     human will at the center and as the source of social organization and
     historical change.

     As for the forcible re-education of bourgeois like ourselves, the
     so-called "dictatorship of the prolariat" will have no more difficulty
     inculcating post-class values in ex-bourgeois than the current
     "dictatorship of the bourgeoisie" has inculcating bourgeois values in
     the working class (something Marxists bemoan all the time): post-class
     society will be the best thing going, the "only game in town."

     Incidentally, bourgeois society has *already* eliminated previous
     ideas of family and marriage (for better or for worse), so let's not
     have any illusions about how stable such ideas are or how painful
     and/or liberating change cna be.

     Gene Holland

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Subject: Re: Stalin & World War II
Author:  marxism at at SMTPLINK-Humanities
Date:    8/8/94 1:26 PM

On the Stalinism/Marxism front I would like to suggest that while there
may be no direct philosophical link between Stalinism and Marx's concept
of the revolution, the systematic state torture practiced by Stalin
is not a-priori contra Marx.  In trying to resists Bourgeois Humanist
values one of the values that certainly needs to be examined is
the idea that human life is important and has intrinsic value.  Also,
if we are to have a revolution of the proletariat shouldn't we expect
an attempt to forcible reeducate the bourgeois, i.e. us, very much
against our wills?  I mean by this that we really really like the way
we live, and when Mrax calls for the elmination of ideas of family,
marriage, consumerism etc. shouldn't we expect this to be just the
slightest bit painful for the 100's of millions of converts to
western style capitalism?


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