in defense of planned socialism

Andrew Hagen hagena at
Fri Nov 4 02:37:49 MST 1994

note: "and just a bit of science fiction" removed from subject line.

Andrew Hagen writes:
> > our choice is rapidly shifting from "socialism or
> > barbarism" (we already have barbarism.), to "socialism or death."

Justin Schwartz writes
> You know, sometimes I feel as if I am out of touch, When Rosa Luxemburg
> talked about socialism or barbarism she was thinking about world war as
> barbarism. Now there is real barbarism, in Bosnia, Somalia, Rwanda, etc.
> But I sit in my comfortable home office with my son sleeping down below,
> thinking about going to a good law school next year if I don't find an
> academic job, and this is barbarism? Give me a break. Of course in the
> inner cities life for many people is extremely hard and the working poor
> find it harder and harder to make ends meet. But we do not live in the
> fear that the army will demolish our homes, that the sound of helicopters
> means the death squads are coming, that we will end up dead in a ditch by
> the side of the road, raped and tortured. You insult the people who live
> under real barbarism if you think that we have it in the industrialized
> Things are not rosy. They are bad and getting worse. We do face the
> catastrophes you mentioned if things go on as they are. That's why we
> have to fight. But we have to be realistic about our situation. As well as
> our proposals!

Capitalism sows the seeds of discord, hate, and greed from which later
sprouts war. Oftentimes, the needs of capital call for wars to be fought,
so as with Iraq. How can you comntrast capitalism against wars,
particularly the world wars of this century, when capitalism made those
wars, as it will others?

How can capitalism not be regarded as barbarism? Alientation.
Imperialism. Racism. Murder. Militarism. Why do you have to wait until
tanks roll into your neighborhood to call it barbarism?

Andrew Hagen                              hagena at
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with private property. But in your existing society, private property is
already done away with for nine-tenths of the population."


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