chaos/marx -Reply

Justin Schwartz jschwart at
Mon Apr 3 23:42:28 MDT 1995

The entry below is misattributed to me. I did not write it and would not
have done.

--Justin Schwartz

On Mon, 3 Apr 1995, Lisa Rogers wrote:

> About the reactionary nature of the expatriot Irish. I wonder
> sometimes if it is a rule of history that the most opressed become
> the worst opressors when liberated.
> ...
> I was born a Jew not an Israeli, but what the Israeli's have done and
> are still doing to the Palestinians in the name of the Jews, defies
> reason. The Irish in the USA seem similar. Then again the
> Americans fought a war of liberation against the British and are not
> too progressive now. The Boers in South Africa were held in the
> worlds first concentration camps only to do worse things to the
> Africans after they won independence after the Boer War.
> Remember the old song.
> The working class can kiss my arse Iv'e got the foreman's job at
> last.
> But then again it cannot be a law of nature because there are
> exceptions.
> >>>>>>>>>> From: Justin Schwartz <jschwart at
> Rather than positing any law, I ask why or when or [better] under
> what circumstances do the formerly oppressed become oppressors?  I
> don't claim my suggested answer to be a new thought, in fact it is
> evident in that line from a song posted by Schwartz [above] -
> oppression is likely to occur whenever it serves the interests of the
> oppressors.  Especially, private, short-term interests - it may do
> little good to explain to that foreman that his long-term class
> interests are still with the workers, when he's taking that check
> home for himself today.
> Lisa Rogers
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