Origins of Private Property -Reply -Reply -Reply
jjazz at freenet.hamilton.on.ca
Fri Aug 4 18:48:52 MDT 1995
On Mon, 31 Jul 1995, Lisa Rogers wrote:
> Now there is an anthropological chesnut - "pristine" societies vs.
> those contaminated by contact with the outside world, especially
> contact with capitalism. In fact, it is not only herders and farmers
> that may have long had contact with state societies, traders and
> capitalists, but hunter-gatherers [H-G] too.
> Usually this argument is used to say that living H-G and other
> societies are not "pristine", i.e. they are not true examples of
> ancient societies, frozen in time, unaffected by all others around
> them. Schrire and Wilmsen are known for using this argument to
> assail all other students of H-G societies, but the critique is
> entirely off the mark for me and my program. We never claimed
> anybody was "pristine" and furthermore we don't think that the lack
> of it in any or all societies undermines or invalidates anything that
> we do.
Good, because then you'd be WRONG... |>
> I'm curious, Jim, if you'd like to offer an explanation of just why
> you are concerned about pristine-ness. What is the problem in your
> view, how does it affect an analysis of PP and how should it be
I'm only concerned where it would be claimed that 'primitive
communism' still exists, or did so till recently. Otherwise I agree:
it's not important...
> ps It is not clear what you mean by "prehistoric societies" - do you
> really mean to refer to time scale, or certain modes of subsistence,
> or what?
I mean literally `prior to being in the historical record', but
there's obviously a problematic here with `whose' records and just what
those records are (I would include oral histories as such). For time scale
I would always refer to paleo/neo-lithic...
Jim Jaszewski <jjazz at freenet.hamilton.on.ca>
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