Stalin and WWII

Scott Marshall Scott at
Sat Jul 1 16:23:02 MDT 1995

>Rather than arguing about whether Zhukov's memoirs, etc., are
>"credible" or who was the greatest general in Soviet history,
>maybe a little reference to the actual history of World War II
>would be useful.

Actually Zhukov was there. His books are actual historical notes of WWII.
And exageration to ridicule is not good argument - I never said Zhukov was
the greatest - I said he was as good a general as fought in WWII, in answer
to the charge that Stalin killed all the good generals. Incidently US and
British generals of the period have praised Zhukov. Maybe he'd be more
credible with some here if you knew that he at times disagreed with Stalin
on military policy. Nah - Not if you also know that Stalin on several
occasions defered to Zhukov on military matters.

Further it might benefit some who think they know all about the Soviet
military situation in this period to read Zhukov's memoirs. You mihgt
discover that the people you so blythly dismiss and put down were thoughtful
Marxist trying to cope with extreme problems. The self criticism and the
modesty of people like Zhukov, who played such an important role in
defeating the Nazi army is refreshing. The pressures, the hardships etc.
were incredible, but hey we all could have done it much better, we got all
the answers in our glorious hindsight.

Frankly it is hard for me to be friendly (though I'll try harder) with
people who can for instance belittle someone like Ernst Thaelman who gave
his life fighting fascism. Sure disagree with his policies if you want -
might help to explain what you hate about them rather than just sweeping
generalities and 'puking on your keyborad', but for goodness sake he fought
and died for the things most of us say we believe in. He did help organize
the largest working class anti-fascist rallies to take place in Germany
after Hitler was declared Chancellor, but hey that's just mundane stuff -
took no courage and he probably deserved to be shot in the dead of night for
his political sins. Shooting is much more effective than puking.

And if you must equate Hitler and Stalin - then at least remember that one
was the aggressor and one was defending his country and socialism - opps I
forgot it wasn't really socialism, so of course it probably deserved to be
destroyed. Maybe, just maybe, Hitler was a *little* more responsible for the
deaths caused by the invasion. And maybe just maybe evenhanded condemnation
is wrong.

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