Response to Leo re police

Jeffrey Booth booth2 at husc.harvard.edu
Mon Jun 12 08:04:21 MDT 1995


	
	Leo Casey spent weeks on the "publabor" Union activist list defending
conservative, business unionism and attacking any attempt to introduce
socialist ideas into a list that desperately needs it.  He has every
right to do this but it's become clear to me that he really hates
marxism, working people (especially class conscious workers) and that he
has a lot of time on his hands to spew his ideas.
	Leo, why don't you just go work for Lane Kirkland and be done
with it?

				Jeff Booth
				Union activist, Labor Party Advocates,
				Labor Militant, Somerville Community
				News, etc... .

On Sat, 10 Jun 1995 glevy at acnet.pratt.edu wrote:

> Responding briefly to Leo's post, let me note:
>
> 1) I did not "attempt to reestablish the point of Matt's parody through
> logical argumentation."  I made no reference to that parody.  I will say
> now, though, that Joe's point that he has a good cop friend is totally
> irrelevant.
>
> 2) Leo thinks that it is an "internal contradiction" and "vacillation in
> logic" to hold both individuals and authorities accountable for the
> actions of individuals.  I fail to see his point and think, frankly, that
> it is just silly.
>
> 3) To believe that police because they are state workers are the same as
> teachers, social workers, etc. is quite a stretch.  Police, like
> soldiers, are ARMED and perform a similar function as soldiers.  I -- IN
> NO WAY -- implied that all employees of the state are the same as police.
>
> 4) Leo criticizes what he believes to be my implied theory of the state.
> He is reading too much into the post.
>
> 5)Is dismanteling the police utopian and idealistic, as Leo suggests?  I
> don't believe so.  It is a PRACTICAL NECESSITY for a revolutionary
> government.  Salvador Allende in Chile was the one who was being utopian
> and idealistic when he believed that it was both possible to reform one's
> way into socialism and leave the instruments of the ruling class, such as
> the police and the Army, intact.  I believe that a more sensible policy
> would have given all of the police pink slips and then either
> re-organized the police or substituted police with community control.
>
> This is beginning to be a frustrating experience as I hear either
> universal condemnations of all police or basically apologies for -- and
> even solidarity with -- the police.
>
> I'm late for a Mumia demonstration so I'll stop now.  Off to see the
> "workers" (i.e. cops) that some on this list seem to have such high
> regard for.
>
> Jerry
>
>
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