ab975 at main.freenet.hamilton.on.ca
Wed Jun 14 14:33:55 MDT 1995
On Wed, 14 Jun 1995, ANIELLO MARGIOTTA wrote:
> Jim writes:
> > Of course, you mean the P2 (Propaganda Du'e [sic]?) masonic lodge
> >Could you give us a more detailed, in-depth account of the present
> >political situation in Italia? I, for, one, would like to find out more
> >about the new-style 'techno-fascists' there (as well as the old-style
> >fascists, Lombard League, etc.), and the present state of the various
> >communist parties/groups.
> > I'd _especially_ like to find out more about Berlusconi
> When police broke into Gelli's country-seat was found the list of P2 masonic
> lodge and the plain named " National safety ". The name of Berlusconi was
> into this list . The plain foresaw, to save Italy by comunist danger,
> control upon media,
> presidential political system with majoritarian electoral mechanism,
> governmental control upon magistracy, limitation of syndacal freedom,
> neo-liberist prescription for
> italian economical problems demolishing welfare state and a strong voluntary
So you mean that Licio Gelli's list has Berlusconi as a
co-conspirator in P2??
What about the investigation into his mafia links (we have a big
Sicilian mafia here in america too, BTW. I am 'familiar' with a number of
the local Hamilton 'hoods'...)
> This plain appears in great share in FI political program ( FI is the
> Berlusconi' s party).Berlusconi's FININVEST TV, shaped in american style
> with programs and movies bought exclusively in US, grew in deregulation
> protected by Craxi who hoped to became president in a presidential system.
So much Yankee influence on Berlusconi's TV network means that
there must be some conection with U.S. power centers.
What connection does 'Forzza Italiano'(?) have with U.S. groups,
that you know of??
> In last '80 years italian policy was blocked up
> " Consociative system " where a very left opposition disappeared and all
> parties managed its part of power ,trade unions too, while the pubblic debt
> grow up whitout
> limits for financing feeble industrial system and guaranteing the social peace.
I have heard that International Capital (TC?) wants to
'de-industrialize' Italia. Any truth to the rumor??
> Corruption was a rule for everyone and, died Berlinguer, PCI forgot the
> ethic problem,
> because its identity crisis that brought it to leave marxism and quickly
> embraced economical liberalism until changing name in PDS.
Here in Canada, the social democrats (NDP: New Democratic Party),
have just SQUANDERED all credibility and ceded power to an (now) extreme
rightwing party (PC: Progressive Conservative Party) in local proviincial
Everywhere, SD and communist parties have shown political and
moral bankruptcy, giving in totally to neoliberalism. CPI seems to have
been a leader of this trend... |<
> The political system was upset by democratic magistracy, free to act after
> the deaths of many magistrates ( Falcone expecially) wich rendered sensitive
> the pubblic opinion
> (many people ironize on judicial road to socialism).
One of the FEW good things about the war against the
> Cultural models imposed in ten years of political reflux by the media have
> the entry of Berlusconi's team in policy like a credible reserve for a
> system falling out in the empty created by the dissolvence of historical
We have the growth of such new rightwing parties here in Canada.
In the U.S., there is still the monopoly of the 'Republicrat'
'Party', but that rightwing shift is changing BOTH parties rapidly -- just
look at that bastard Clinton. A poor excuse for a Yuppie...
> Like premier of a coalition with neo(ex?)fascist party and Lombard league he
> move on the line written in the P2 plain but was defeated by biggest popular
> mobilitations seen in Italy, since 20 years.
I heard about that, but again, there is near total censorship here.
(We have over *ONE MILLION* Italianos in the Toronto area, so they
have TV and newspapers here in Italian! :)
Actually in Italy there a
> thecnical government with a clear right connotation leaning by strongest
> left party, PDS, that stop popular opposition and appears more assuranced
> than Berlusconi for international finance : the game is stil open.
A sad fact we will have to deal more with in the future, as
'social democrats' show their true moral bankruptcy, and go over openly to
> The new comunist party, PRC is still an opinion party without organitation
> and claer ideological identity, although it is growing electorally
> (10%),while workers autonomous organitations grow ( COBAS) and interesting
> function have young social centers where, expecially in urban boundaries a
> skethed antagonist culture and policy is developed.
It's a start.
(What is 'skethed'? It's not recognizable English.)
> For more detailed news about italian policy you can send an e-mail to
> AVVENIMENTI at peacelink.it a good left magazine or connect with
> or with http://www.mir.it 'il MANIFESTO', the readest comunist newspaper.
Excellent! Thanx, Nello.
Jim Jaszewski <jjazz at freenet.hamilton.on.ca>
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