Ralph D, particle physics, and BS (fwd) -Reply

Justin Schwartz jschwart at freenet.columbus.oh.us
Tue Jun 20 08:26:46 MDT 1995


On Tue, 20 Jun 1995, Rahul Mahajan wrote:

> Lisa, you may have been a bit too subtle for him.
>
> As I understand it, Darwin himself never categorically denied the
> possibility of Lamarckian evolution -- in fact, at times he was ready to
> concede that it could have been an important mechanism. When did they put
> the nail in the coffin?
>
> Rahul

Right, but Darwin didn't know the mechanism for the transmission of
hereditary information, which wasn't discovered until Mendel and Morgan.
In Darwin's day, Lamarkianism was a reasonable hypothesis. Now that we
know about genes, it's not. You can't change the genotype by changing the
phenotype, unlike vice versa. Appealing to Darwin on this is like
appealing to Newton's beliefs about space and time to raise questions
about relativity physics.

--Justin Schwartz

>
>
> >Oh Dear Lord Marx,
> >
> >There are blasphemers among us!  They do not sub*scribe to the one
> >true interpretation and orthodox application of the holy DiaMat!  One
> >of them "sneered", another one claimed that his interpretation of
> >your Word was just as legit as mine, and even worse, one suggested
> >that (dare I say it) You, yes You might have been wrong about
> >something!
> >
> >And the worst thing of all is that they do not give proper respect to
> >your only true interpreter!
> >
> >Oh, Lord, what shall I do?  How shall I drive the money-changers from
> >the temple?  How shall I eliminate those pretenders to your Name?
> >
> >(Imagine much gnashing of teeth here.)
> >
> >-----------------
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Jim J. wrote to Rahul:
> >You know, I'm REALLY starting to not like your attitude...
> >...
> >Listen, kid:  You've got a lot more than physics to learn...
> >...
> >'Dialectical Materialism' is indeed a belief system which implies
> >that the holder of the beliefs can be partly, or even completely
> >wrong about their view of reality....
> >
> >YOU MEAN, EVEN JIM COULD BE COMPLETELY WRONG?  HOW NICELY HUMBLE
> >
> >(I hate having to argue with supposed 'socialists' who are really
> >closet bourgeois liberals...)...
> >
> >Just why are you sniffing at 'Diamat' that way?? You think the
> >reductionist crap that passes for much of scientific thinking these
> >daze is so much more superior?? You think Popper's view of reality is
> >superior  to Marx's??
> >
> >...[on Lamarckianism]
> >I am indeed implying that the 'jury is still out' on the matter --
> >which I'm sure will come as a surprise to a few generations of
> >'scientists'...
> >
> >PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS?
> >
> > DON'T patronize me, kid -- I doubt there's much else besides physics
> >where you could hope to best me...
> >....
> >
> >TALK ABOUT ATTITUDE?
> >
> >There's a book by, of all people, Arthur Koestler -- the guy who
> >wrote 'Darkness at Noon' -- regarding unfinished research in this
> >field.
> >
> >I'm not saying it necessarily *IS* true, but I *AM* saying that my
> >and other peoples' experience with the arrogance, stupidity and
> >corruption of Establishment Science EASILY leads me to believe that
> >any research into
> >Lysenko-ism yielding positive data WOULD be suppressed.
> >
> >I am suspicious of ALL present attempts to denigrate such research
> >-- ESPECIALLY if it is of an eager anti-communist kind...
> >??
> >....
> >
> >I'VE NEVER SEEN ANY SUCH ATTEMPTS - CITATIONS?
> >
> >YOU are the pompous little one who came in here and sneered at
> >dialectical materialism. (Not unlike a few so-called 'socialists' in
> >here.)
> >
> >I didn't come to the **MARXISM LIST** to argue with non-marxists
> >frankly. It's like what goes on in feminism echos where women have to
> >put  up with no END of opinionated males infesting the bandwidth...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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