anclondon at gn.apc.org
Thu Mar 30 19:08:54 MST 1995
In reply to Scott Marshall <Scott at rednet.org>
>>>>>>>> But as you've noted, understanding of the complex must
be rooted in the basics. So again to show me how any 'new'
theory should modify my approach I need to be shown how it
relates to the basics of exploitation etc.
1) It depends from whence you come. I came to marxism via
science. Maurice Cornforth "Marxism and Science" Lenin
"Materialism and Imperio-Criticism ",, and similar. For me the
basic strength of marxism is that it demonstrates that the
scientific world, the economic and political, are all part of
the same picture. Hence if the new scientific theories reinforce
my marxism it gives me much pleasure.
2) It must be of some use theoretically.
A) Since the new theories reinforce marxism it strengthens the
working class struggle.
B) For me it increases my understanding of how the USSR could
arise out of the old but also revert.The theory of strange
attractors and non-linear geometries give greater understanding
of revolutionary change and it's reversibility. But this
reversibility is not merely a reversion to the past but a new
reflection of the past. History goes in NEVER repeating CYCLES.
This was never raised or hinted at by my leaders of the time.
The USSR was a irremovale rock. Just as the genus homo sapiens
was the "TOP" of the evolutionary tree so was the USSR. Even
today when one suggests that the designation top, for Homo
Sapiens ( or the USSR), is too strong most of my friends get a
C) There are many similar aspects that encourage me in my beleif
that the new theories have much to offer us in understanding
3) It must help in paractice.
A) Most if not all systems of governance are based on the top
down, bottom up principle. The pyramid. As far as I am aware all
socialist systems adopt this to a major degree. The capitalists
are all top down while the extent of bottom up under socialism
seems varaible but not strong.
Fractal theory indicates that there are layers in nature. Take
for example the Devils Causeway in Ireland. The pattern seen by
the eye is mirrored by the pattern of the crystals that form the
rock which in their turn mirror the molecular structure.
The pattern or system of organisation of government is mirrored
in that in local government, again in companies, in football
clubs, even down to the nuclear family with the man at the head.
The Pyramid. What we fail to do is to look a bit deeper. The
system we see in society should be present in the human brain
which after all produces the system, or at least pays a major
part in it.
The Human brain is far more democratic. Memories are not stored
in libraries or archives. They are distributed. The internet is
much more like the human brain in this respect. This is one of
the reasons they (The capitalists) are seeking ways to take it
Human activities such as speach, hearing, sight, are localised
in separate sections of the brain but interact and exchange
information. If one is damaged others can to an extent take
over. BUT THERE IS NO central major domo, no dictator or
president or primeminister. The idea that there was a pinneal
gland which directed the brain's activities is nonsense. (This
was an example where the system of the upper layer imposed an
untruth on the lower layer for political reasons.)
This has major consequences fof the system or organisation of
There must be an agreed view on the major aspects of governance.
But the pyramidal structure is all wrong.
It brings into question the "What does a vanguard mean?" "What
is this dicatorship of the working class?"
A concrete example.
An arms factory pollutes a river. No pyramidal system has the
will to change that. The Government (Socialist or Capitalist),
the workers, the owners, all support in various measure the
continued existence of the factory.
How can such pollution be prevented. Only by the pressure and
activity of an independent green watchdog. Examples of this are
There were none in the USSR. There are some in the USA and
Europe. But they are not encouraged, or financed by government.
Just the opposite.
A Socialist system should do so.
If my understanding of the human brain is somewhere near the
truth, Government should be a coalition of interest groups and
Education should be run by representatives of those working in
education, those being educated, and other interested parties.
Including elected representatives of the community and the
In the UK, Greenpeace, Friends of the Earth and similar, have
done more for the environment that the Department of the
Environment. ( or the trade unions although they are less
cupable than the bosses.)
B) Time and time again political organisations, Non Governmental
orgainsations, co-operatives, and community efforts appear. They
develop and emmerge outside of the political and theroetical
framework of the established left. Not only are they not
encouraged but they are so often sneared at or degraded because
they are not "revolutionary" or "Not working class but
middleclass". If they grow take them over mould them to fit into
the established norm.
I have heard echoes of this on the list from time to time. The
whole idea of emmergence, of self-organisation, of the
appearance of new species out on the detritis of the old is
elaborated and given flesh by some of the new threories. We
should learn from them.
My personal fear is that in South Africa the new structures
which have emerged out of the struggle will not only not be
encouraged. Will they be seen as competitors and be destroyed.
C) Some of the ideas in A) , B) above have emerged in South
Africa. I do not suggest that in anyway fractal theory has payed
a part. But perhaps the mole of history is at work implimenting
the theory in its own way. If we become consious of this then we
will be better revolutionaries.
--- from list marxism at lists.village.virginia.edu ---
More information about the Marxism