Report on the 18th Brumaire - Svar

Magnus Bernhardsen Magnus.Bernhardsen at
Mon Nov 13 12:13:08 MST 1995

 Adam Rose <adam at> 13.11.95 17.16 

But he (ian Paisley) isn't a Nazi. Classic
Orangism involves incorporating trade unions
members into the Orange lodges etc, not
smashing trade unions. Orangism depends on
the consent of the protestant working class,
expressed not unimportantly through the
ballot box. This has always given socialists,
catholic + protestant, room to organise,
especially now, when economic circumstances
have weakened the hold of unionism over
protestant workers.

Magnus: I haven't read all the posts on
fascism, so this point may be old. I thought
that under fascism the unions were being
corporatist, parts of the state. Although I
don't think Paisley is a fascist, the
evidence against him being a fascist can't be
that some unions support him.

When Norway was fascist, the unions weren't
"smashed", they were made part of the
nazi-state. Some Norwegian Trotskyites
thought that they could work for socialism
and workers' power within the nazi party and
the nazified unions. This was of course
impossible, and they're considered Quislings

Magnus Bernhardsen

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