Ireland and Orange

Adam Rose adam at pmel.com
Wed Nov 15 01:41:59 MST 1995


Adam:
> 
> "But he (ian Paisley) isn't a Nazi. Classic
> Orangism involves incorporating trade unions
> members into the Orange lodges etc, not
> smashing trade unions. Orangism depends on
> the consent of the protestant working class,
> expressed not unimportantly through the
> ballot box. This has always given socialists,
> catholic + protestant, room to organise,
> especially now, when economic circumstances
> have weakened the hold of unionism over
> protestant workers."
> 

Karl Carlile:
> To claim that "Orangeism depends on the consent of the protestant working
> class, expressed not unimportantly through the ballot box" misses a
> significant point.It is not a matter of consent of the working class but
> Orangeism as a bourgeois form actively seeking to undermine and disarm the
> "Protestant" working class in Ireland to the point where it lacks a
> revolutionary leadership. 

Adam:
I think I went through this at the beginning of my post.
Anyway, I agree with your main point. Unionism works by dividing
the working class. 

I was just saying that Ian Paisley is not a fascist, and explaining why
I thought this - dividing isn't the same as destroying ( although 
divisions can be used in order to destroy ).

( But Louis is right : grouping Ian Paisley, Bill Clinton and the SACP
is odd to say the least ).

Adam.


Adam Rose
SWP
Manchester
UK







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