farewells and the l*st's "charter"

Jon Beasley-Murray jpb8 at acpub.duke.edu
Tue Nov 21 11:14:38 MST 1995


I'm always disappointed when anyone leaves this l*st.  I was so it seemed
that mim3 left, and would be if (say) Ralph or Louis were to go--though
all in very different ways.  Which is not to say I agree with any of them
or with the way they express themselves. 

We are collectively responsible for the kinds of discussions that we 
enable or prevent.  Clearly some of the people here do on occasion 
discourage discussion even as they produce it.

With the volume of messages here, instant response and offense becomes 
much easier than applause or apology.  The l*st-form encourages 
discursive loops, and positive feedback loops seem to emerge far less 
frequently than negative ones.

[I may well have misused that technical vocab., but there we are]

I am tired and distracted because of various things happening in my 
"real" life, but things don't improve when I log on and see this 
degeneration.  But I don't believe anyone is around merely to cause 
offense, and that we should be continually returning to the discussion of 
marxism.

The "charter" for the l*st, such as exists, is in the info message 
everyone received upon joining.  The new co-mods/spoon liasons/whatevers 
have suggested it is time to update this message, and I see no reason why 
it should not be continually up for revision.  I append what seem to be 
relevant sections below.

In the meantime, and until this text is revised, it seems only 
appropriate for people to try to work within its guidelines and with its 
suggestions.

Take care

Jon

Jon Beasley-Murray
Literature Program
Duke University
jpb8 at acpub.duke.edu
http://jefferson.village.virginia.edu/~spoons
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