Carlos on Shiny Shit
iwp.ilo at ix.netcom.com
Sat Feb 10 16:11:28 MST 1996
You (Chris) wrote:
>The bitterness of your posts about the PCP and Shining Path ("Shiny
>make me wonder if you have personal experience of losing comrades
>as a result of their executions of "collaborators".
As it is obvious for anyone who bother to read Shiny Shit
supporters' posts (Godenas, Quispe et al), they did:
a. Recognize that they did execute other left wing activists
under the accussation of being "agents" of imperialism, the
Fujimori government or some other source of counter-revolution.
b. They repeatdely *refused* to ellaborate about the process it
was followed before those executions took place. They only
referred to some Shiny-shit controlled "tribunals". This is
simply because *they never gave the accussed the opportunity of
proving their innocence* (I'm not talking here about people killed
during an armed confrontation, I'm talking about *executions* and
not of police or army officers, but of left-wing members of other
c. I have direct knowledge of the execution of members of the
Peruvian Communist Party, the MAS (Movement of Socialist Action?),
the PUM (Unified Mariateguist Party) and of members of the United
Left (Izquierda Unida). In all, maybe 15 cases. I have
references, through reading materials produced by left wing
organizations from Peru of about another 100-150 cases. In books
and other sources is mentioned a number of 500 or so (of left wing
activists, elected officers and tradeunion leaders assasinated
without trial, without any legitimate due process,etc)
With most of the murdered I have no political agreement. Moreover,
I would, if they were alive, consider them social-reformers (with
maybe the exception of the members from the PUM). *But*, the
questions are not their politics but their assasinations. In that
sense I'm stand on the side of every left wing element murdered by
Sendero. It is a blood line here, a class line.
d. By their own recognition (Shiny Shit supporters), they are a
bunch of reformist Maoists of the worst kind. All the *war* they
are waging is to *pressure* the "national bourgeoisie* to side with
them. You see, the method in war is the same they try
unsuccesfully to apply in this list. Namely, there is Fujimori or
us, Shiny Shit, you need to choose us if not you are in the other
side. Old argument, shity logic. That's is why they kill other
leftists, they need no other voice in order to blackmail workers
and peasants. Dind't work here and *it is not working in Peru*.
Shiny Shit is nothing but that. Have no overwhelming support
e. Terrorism is very easy. You don not need to organize the
masses, nor as they say, you need any kind of support from the
working class and the oppressed to be effective. Five hundred
well trained fanatics canput 5,000 bombs in one year. Doesn't
even require to be class-conscious nor to know anything about
program. Provided tht you develop a good security system, you
can go on and on for years. That's what Shiny Shit is.
But even if *they enjoyed* mass suppport that would not change
my position towards them. Can you imagine a society with them
in charge? You'll probably be executed, Chris. That simple.
Of does it somehow >relate to events in Argentina?
To some extent the ERP in Argentina, and the Montoneros in their
last stage did some similar things than Shiny Shit. I oppossed
them politically, and somehow succesfully I would say (at least
we compited with them in the mass movement and we were ahead
at certain stages). But ERP and Montoneros *never* had a conscious
policy of killing political opponents from the left systematically.
As a matter of fact, I don't remember a single case like that.
Their similiraties with Shiny Shit (at the stage in which they
were very decomposed) was brutal terrorist attacks which were
indiscriminate and, sometimes, ended up with innocent bystanders
receiving a bullet. Quite different, though reprehensible.
Suffice to read the defense of Shiny Shit of Stalin and Stalin
crimes and the shamefull cover up of members of the CPUSA of
Shiny Shit to confirm what I said many times: if we do not get
rid of the last vestiges of Stalinism, which destroyed to
Marxist movement once, we are condemned to go through the same
Sometimes I got frustrated with the arm-chair Marxist intellectuals
(not at all a personal allussion to anyone)who seems to believe
that one can have a *clarifying* discussion with supporters of this
gang of murderers. In other words, Chris, there are some
principples Marxists, all Marxists, should not break. Not killing
political opponents in the left is one.
Paraphrasing Clausevitz: Political discussion is a war by other
means. Our discussion in this list with Shiny Shit should be based
on the same basis as if we were there and Godenas just shoot Louis
Project. Nobody will argue than Louis and I have our differences.
But in this matter ... we are in a united front (basic working
I have many criticisms of the FSLN but my former political
associates and myself fougth militarily alongside with them
for over a year in Nicaragua against the Somoza's National
Guard. Then we confronted them politically. But that doesn't
blurr my vision and I know that the FSLN *overthrew* a sinister
dictatorship (that of Somoza). Shiny Shit *brought* the Fujimori
dictatorship by their actions, provocations that subverted not the
bourgeois order but the support of the Peruvian working class
to left politics.
I call you and all other who call themselves Marxists or simply
decent human beings to opposse firmly Shiny Shit by not giving
or granting them any credibility or support. This is not only
a princippled stand but also a survival skill all in this list
will be smart to adcquire.
I hope I answered your questions. BTW, I'm not bitter, I only
think that Shiny Shit does not deserve, nor I'm willing to give
them any quarter.
>If so, you may feel you do not want to go into details, but if it is
>possible I would appreciate your comments.
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