two concepts of dictatorship of the proletariat

Jørn Andersen ccc6639 at vip.cybercity.dk
Tue Feb 20 11:03:12 MST 1996


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Justin,
I agree. Another good term that has been used for years is "workers' =
power".

I think it is OK to use the term "dictatorship of the proletariat" in =
theoretical debates - but "workers' power" has the advantage, that it =
suggests that "dictatorship of the proletariat" rises out of the =
strength that workers build in struggles in the real world. It doesn't =
"fall down from skies" - or for that matter from some well intentioned =
reformer, be it Mao, PCP, the Social Democrats ...

But really the problem here is not the *words*, but that workers have =
had the hstorical experience of Stalinism. This has thrown workers into =
the arms of the reformists and intellectuals into the arms of the =
anarchists.

Only if we relate our Marxist ideas to workers' struggles in the real =
world ( which HAVE TO be democratically organized to be effective) it is =
possible to re-conquer the true meaning of the term - on the academic =
battlefield as well as among workers.

Jorn Andersen
ccc6639 at vip.cybercity.dk

IS
Denmark


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Justin Schwartz[SMTP:jschwart at freenet.columbus.oh.us]
19. februar 1996 00:32
Re: two concepts of dictatorship of the proletariat


I am a MArxist and not an anarchist, but I agree with Bruce that the
language of the dictatorship of the proletariat is now too ambiguius and
compromised ti be useful. If we want to do scholarship, that's a worthy
goal. But in real world politics, "dictatorship" of any sort won't sell =
to
democratically minded workers or publics. We should salvage the sense of
whatever we think is good in Marx's or Lenin's or whoever's idea of the
DoP, work out thge kinks, and express the meaning we want in language =
that
is clear and attractive. I think "working class rule" is a good slogan
myself. Obviously that doesn't go to content. --Justin

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