A socialist Alliance

rnewton at rpms.ac.uk rnewton at rpms.ac.uk
Mon Feb 26 02:54:50 MST 1996


>    Carlos Asks:
>
>    What do you call "petty squabbling"?  The discussions on Market
>    Socialism vs. state=centered economy?, the thread disputing claims
>    from the rump bunch of murderers of Leftists, Snining Path? The
>    discussions now beginning about LPA? The exchange about
>    subjectivity or Spinoza?  What exactly are you talking about?
>
      Richard Replies :

      Did I mention any of the threads that you have mentioned ?
      The answer to that question is NO by the way, It is interesting
      that you are trying to put words into my mouth. what I found to
      be petty squabbling was some of the "VERBAL ABUSE"  threads
      and some of the  postings around the SWP.

>>I know people are members of different left parties/orgainasions and
>they
>>have to say that"our parties are better than yours", but I think it is
>time
>>to put more positive ideas of uniformity forward.
>
>    Carlos:
>
>    Who exactly are you talking about?  Your own comrades? The
>    Stalinists United Counter-revolutionary -reformist front of
>    Godenas-Quispe-Scott Marshall-CKates and Matt "Dillon"? the
>    omnes of the kind of "Chris London" who in their effort to
>    stand in the middle always he hit twice? Or a number of
>    Trotskyists, anarchists, Troskyists-Castroites and son on
>    who disagree on many things but stand together in a couple
>    principples issues?

      Errm ? yes

>    In other words, we see tendencies, alliances which are cosntructed
>    and then dissappear, everyone against everyone, then blocks, very
>    lively List, indeed.... Don't mess around with our fun!

      I'm not sure of your point here. Do you think it is not a good
      idea to try and form alliances or should we carry on the in-fighting?


>>I am a member of the British section of the Committee for a Workers
>>International (Militant Labour) and as we all know my party is better
>than
>>yours - but seriously,  in Militant Labour in Britain we have put the
>idea
>>of Socialist Alliances into practice, meetings up and down the country
>have
>>taken place.
>>
>    Carlos:
>
>    This stuff is interesting, Richard. But I have a question for you.
>
>    I counted the number of participants in the meetings you mentioned
>    and they are less that 1,000.  Militant have two three times that
>    number, isn't?  Then, only one third of the organization
>    participated and, moreover .... if only 1,000 participated in these
>    meetings, how many were from other tendencies and how many from
>    Militant? )

       I think I only mentioned six of the meetings, that have taken place
so far.
       At the meetings mentioned, there were not only Militant Labour
members present
       but others from Trade unions, Labour parties Campaign groups etc, so
surely this
       indicates that the meetings were a good representation of the Left ?


>    Richard:
>>The enemy is the World capitalists............
>>
>
>    Carlos:
>
>    Sure, Richard, but isn't Stalinism and Socialdemocracy "agents of
>    the world capitalism inside the working class"?  Isn't fighting the
>    Stalinists (like Shining Path, CPUSA and others) part of that
>    struggle against reformism and, therefore, against the agents of
>    capitalism inside the working class?
>
>    Comradely,
>    Carlos

      Yes.


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