Rule Britannia? was Re: upheavals in England, 1640 - 1848
booth2 at husc.harvard.edu
Thu Jun 20 12:30:33 MDT 1996
I've met working class, Northern-Irish protestant marxists. And
I've seen the kind of work they're doing along with Catholic marxists.
Not a wish but a concrete reality.
And even if you were right: what do you propose doing with the
six(?) million, unorganizable (by your account) working class protestants
in Northern Ireland? Who's really being unrealistic here?
-- Jeff Booth
On Thu, 20 Jun 1996, Gary MacLennan wrote:
> Adam, you are not, I am sure as you describe yourself an "argumentative
> bastard". Leastways no more than me or I suspect, Rahul.
> Concretely, in Northern Ireland, protestant
> >workers are part of the solution, not the problem. Conversely, John Brutton or
> >Haughey or whoever are part of the problem, not the solution.
> Now this is an interesting part of your argument. I used to go into a rage
> long years ago at Essex University at just this. Always someone, usually
> from I.S. or Militant, would get up and denouce nationalism and come out
> with the ritual formula -Workers of N. Ireland Unite etc.
> Comrade Proyect has correctly urged us to be more empirical in our approach
> to formulating both theory and praxis. Well all and I mean abosultely all
> the relevant data here suggests that the Protestant working class are
> totally committed to British Imperialism. Theirs is the mentality of the
> white settler "colon". They are the pieds noirs of Ireland. The irony is
> that the British would have done some deal long ago but for the last of the
> true blue imperialists- the Protestant working class.
> Did you know that one of the current "legends" among the Loyalist working
> class, a Gusty Spence by name, actually organised in the 50s a demonstration
> about Cyprus. But the good spence was demanding that the British send more
> troops to crush the rebels! Similarly I once kept a collection of the
> papers produced by the Protestant militias. I threw them away in the end
> because they festered within me, such was their filth and racism.
> Now it gives me no joy whatsoever to say this. I too would like the working
> classes to unite. But wishing and facile sloganising as you, comrade, are
> indulging in will not make this happen.
> The enemy is British Imperialism. While the IRA are confronting it, they
> have my support. Critical of course, but support nevertheless.
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