state capitalism debate (fwd)

Robert Malecki malecki at algonet.se
Fri Jun 21 06:13:47 MDT 1996


>On Thu, 20 Jun 1996 08:59:11 -0400 (EDT) Spoon Collective said:
>>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>Date: 20 Jun 96 03:14:23 EDT
>>From: neil <74742.1651 at CompuServe.COM>
>[...]
>>The continued existence of the wage labor system defines the nature
>>of the class realtions of production in the USSR.
>>Karl Marx stressed that wage labor and capitalism are inseparable:
>[...]
>>The fundamental feature that  divides capitalist from socialist
>>society is that socialism entails the abolition of waged labor.
>>Neither the USSR or any E. European state ever moved to abolish
>>waged labor.
>
>
>Neil, you're forgetting that there has to be a transitional workers'
>state to get from capitalism to socialism. Wage labor can't be abolished
>overnight, any more than the state can -- both "wither away" over time,
>more or less rapidly depending on how backward and isolated the workers'
>revolution remains. It should be no shock that the economy of a workers'
>state remains capitalistic, at least in its early stages and especially,
>as in the case of the early USSR, in a case of extreme economic
>backwardness.
>
>If you rule out the transitional society you're saying in effect that
>socialism is unachievable.
>
>Walter
>
Exactly Walter!

malecki in exile

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