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 From:	tommym1 at ix.netcom.com (Thomas P. Murray)
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        From an editorial in-IN THESE TIMES,June 10-23,1996.
                PUBLICIZING LEFT INTELECTUALS

           "....Indeed,they think of themselves as being on the left,
   and they have left antecedents.Just as Bolshevism had its roots in
   Marxian socialism,so did poststructuralism have its source in the
   New Left of the '60s.Furthermore,the core idea from which much of
   their rhetoric flows is taken from the pre-1917 Marxist understand-
   ing that beliefs and intellecual constructs,as well as social atti-
   tudes and institutions are historically determinded and can be under-
   stood and evaluated only in the context of the times and social cond-
   itions in which they develop."
          .....",these academic leftists have increasingly become an un-
   offending part of their profession,and their relation to American
   society has come increasingly to resemble that of cloistered monks
   and nuns speaking and writing to themselves in Latin.Thus,contrary
   to conservative howls about Marxist subversion of the universities,
   these academics have pursued studies that threaten nothing but the
   possibility of the revial of an intellectually vigorous left."
                 "True,"Marxist"and "Radical" caucuses have prolifer-
   ated in various disciplines .But all too often what they produce is
   incomprehensible to anyone not conversant in current academic fads.
   In place of the interaction with a general public that earlier gen-
   erations of left intellectuals sought,these new radicals pursue only
   their private careers and academic honors."
                   "The current crop of intellectuals,on the other hand,
   is the product of the collapse of and retreat of a generalized left
   in the United States.This required a circling of the wagons on campus
   ,and in that context their retreat into impenetrable cocoons is un-
    derstandable."
                ..."We hope it is .After years of ascendancy,the right
   in this country is in disarray and slipping,and there are signs of
   life on the left. For too long,the general left has clung to old
   ideas and solutions,while avoiding or disparaging intellectual rigor
   and the clear expression of new ideas.But if a new left is to emerge
   as something more than a feckless sideshow,it will need all the help
   it can get.So it's time for left academics to stop talking to them-
   selves and start thinking about the needs of the world outside their
   elite enclaves."

                 I wonder if the editors of IN THESE TIMES have been
   reading M1 or M2?The level of inellectual discourse on M1 has be-
   come more and more sectarian,almost completely devoid of any mean-
   ingful insights or observations.It seems now the list exists only
   as a place for vituperative personal attacks.Or as a place where
   a few members display their vicious one line put downs.










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From:	tommym1 at ix.netcom.com (Thomas P. Murray)
To:	tmurray800 at aol.com
Date: 96-06-21 15:38:39 EDT




       From an editorial in-IN THESE TIMES,June 10-23,1996.
               PUBLICIZING LEFT INTELECTUALS

          "....Indeed,they think of themselves as being on the left,
  and they have left antecedents.Just as Bolshevism had its roots in
  Marxian socialism,so did poststructuralism have its source in the
  New Left of the '60s.Furthermore,the core idea from which much of
  their rhetoric flows is taken from the pre-1917 Marxist understand-
  ing that beliefs and intellecual constructs,as well as social atti-
  tudes and institutions are historically determinded and can be under-
  stood and evaluated only in the context of the times and social cond-
  itions in which they develop."
         .....",these academic leftists have increasingly become an un-
  offending part of their profession,and their relation to American
  society has come increasingly to resemble that of cloistered monks
  and nuns speaking and writing to themselves in Latin.Thus,contrary
  to conservative howls about Marxist subversion of the universities,
  these academics have pursued studies that threaten nothing but the
  possibility of the revial of an intellectually vigorous left."
                "True,"Marxist"and "Radical" caucuses have prolifer-
  ated in various disciplines .But all too often what they produce is
  incomprehensible to anyone not conversant in current academic fads.
  In place of the interaction with a general public that earlier gen-
  erations of left intellectuals sought,these new radicals pursue only
  their private careers and academic honors."
                  "The current crop of intellectuals,on the other hand,
  is the product of the collapse of and retreat of a generalized left
  in the United States.This required a circling of the wagons on campus
  ,and in that context their retreat into impenetrable cocoons is un-
   derstandable."
               ..."We hope it is .After years of ascendancy,the right
  in this country is in disarray and slipping,and there are signs of
  life on the left. For too long,the general left has clung to old
  ideas and solutions,while avoiding or disparaging intellectual rigor
  and the clear expression of new ideas.But if a new left is to emerge
  as something more than a feckless sideshow,it will need all the help
  it can get.So it's time for left academics to stop talking to them-
  selves and start thinking about the needs of the world outside their
  elite enclaves."

                I wonder if the editors of IN THESE TIMES have been
  reading M1 or M2?The level of inellectual discourse on M1 has be-
  come more and more sectarian,almost completely devoid of any mean-
  ingful insights or observations.It seems now the list exists only
  as a place for vituperative personal attacks.Or as a place where
  a few members display their vicious one line put downs.










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