5/5 Why do I think Chris is a cop?

Rolf Martens rolf.martens at mailbox.swipnet.se
Sun Jun 30 01:25:52 MDT 1996


5/5 Why do I think Chris is a cop?    [Posted: 30.06.96]


[Continued from part 4/5]

POINT =A411)	Chris even has tried to persuade people that "Luis=20
		Quispe" and "Marcelina Ccorimanya" must be two
		different persons, after their oneness had already
		been revealed by comrade Adolfo, and has brought
		two "arguments", the one if possible more ridiculous
		than the other, in favour of this.

This has really been a desperate move by Chris, and one which it=20
would be strange indeed for an "uninterested observer" to undertake.=20
In fact it can only be explained, I now suggest, by the great=20
interest the cops have had in trying to protect that quite important=20
member of their "corps", the "Quispe" thing. It surprised me, the=20
first time he tried it, into suggesting - at that time, only as a=20
joke - that he himself was probably a "third member" of that thing.

>Date: 02 Jun 96 14:05:44 EDT
>Subject: Re: "WE WILL NOT WASTE TIME"

>A number of people assume that Luis and Marcelina are the same=20
>person. I do not think that is so. Some of the most aggressive=20
>posts have been signed by Marcelina in defence of Luis. I do not=20
>think that is necessarily in Luis's interests, but it may have been=20
>intended that way

Which was a piece of comedy, since everybody - even people
like me, for instance, who don't have English as their mother
tongue - could clearly see that the styles of "Luis" and "Marcelina"
weren't different at all but, on the contrary, were precisely quite
similar to each other. Probably you could even have a computer
program proving precisely that the two "different" sets of postings
were written by one and the same person. Next piece of comedy:

Chris here replies to comrade Tony Frosinos of the Detcom, who
had asked him: "Are you serious? Do you really believe there is a=20
Marcelina?":=20

>Date: 26 Jun 96 15:52:27 EDT
>Subject: Re:  Adolfo's Sado-machismo

>Yes I know she was very sectarian to you, and I am sure your
>hair does not reach the ground,

(which of course was a very friendly thing for Chris to say, since
big boss "Quispe" himself in his profound argumentation had=20
already pointed out, i.a., that the opposite was the case - after=20
the Detcom's 01.06 statement telling all what a fraud he was.)

>but on the broad politics of it, the idea that a woman contributor=20
>to this l'st does not exist and is just a cypher of a man, reveals a=20
>lot about those who argue that way.

So in fact we poor sods, whether our hair do reach the ground or
not, in maintaining that good old Marcelina doesn't even exist,=20
thereby only are showing up our utterly sexist approach to things.
This must be said to be an argumentation on a rather high level of=20
Marxism.

=20
POINT =A412)	Chris, though not a Mao Zedong adherent himself,
		is quite adamant in "pointing out" that no such=20
		adherent or group of adherents in the world should=20
		do anything at all of any major importance except=20
		on an express order from the leadership of the=20
		PCP in Peru.

There is of course a certain purpose behind this, which I'll=20
comment on below. And naturally, Chris combines it with defence=20
of the US imperialist agent Avakian (see Point 6 above) and=20
those phoney"Marxist" entities the "RCP" of the USA and the=20
"RIM". Quotes:

>Date: 08 Jun 96 02:51:28 EDT
>Subject: Does the PCP want the WMC?

>While individual Peruvians have an unquestioned right in my=20
>book to do anything they want, as the weeks slip by, the call by
>Olaechea and Borja for a World Mobilising Commission looks=20
>increasingly strange in the absence of any evidence of=20
>support from the Communist Party of Peru

>Textual evidence has been posted that while Guzman was free,
>the PCP analysed the contradictions in the RIM and decided it=20
>was correct to work in there. It is possible that it may continue=20
>to think that some compromises are desirable with people=20
>with whom it has differences of principle.

>But if Adolfo and his supporters are continuing to take up=20
>bandwith=20

(Here we have another "good-old-good-one", the "complaint"
about "taking up bandwith". I'll not make it a separate point.)

>by belabouring those unconvinced of his call, why do they not=20
>just point to signals from within the PCP that the PCP want=20
>people to go ahead with the WMC? Would not that save a lot of=20
>time and energy? But perhaps that evidence does not exist.

For his standpoint on this, Chris was even - on this point=20
in the main correctly - criticized by the "MIM". Here a quote by=20
him from the "MIM":
=20
>Date: 09 Jun 96 03:38:24 EDT
>Subject: Does the PCP want the WMC?

>MIM replies: Chris, you are in a jumble of contradictions. First of=20
>all, if you want to pose as innocent outsider, then you have to=20
>admit that there is no evidence that the PCP opposes the WMC=20
>either.

>Finally, did you read Mao on the COMINTERN? Do you think he=20
>would have favored Lima making decisions about Paris and=20
>Stockholm? Do you think decisions in Ayacucho should come=20
>from Chicago?

And I don't think they should either. Chris again (the same quote=20
as I already brought under one other point above):=20

>Date: 09 Jun 96 03:38:24 EDT
>Subject: Does the PCP want the WMC?

>it is pretty authoritative now that there is *no* public signal of=20
>support from the Pby captives about peace negotiations,=20
>about which some supporters of the PCP are understandably=20
>critical of the RCP, there is no call from the PCP to break its=20
>tactical working relationship with the RCP in MPP committees
>CP in favour of Adolfo and Borja's call for a World Mobilising=20
>Commission. There is no update on the 1986 statement by the=20
>PCP on why it will work in RIM, despite major differences of=20
>principle with the RCP.=20

>At the same time, it is not too surprising that some other=20
>supporters of the PCP might argue strongly that to break with=20
>the tactical unity in solidarity work is against the interests of the=20
>working people of Peru and not in the spirit of previous=20
>established PCP statements.=20

>As I caught the remark it seemed a significant and unwise=20
>escalation when the New Flag side (Marcelina?) called Borja a=20
>traitor. On the other hand if it is important for solidarity work to=20
>preserve a wide unity, then nothing could be more disruptive than=20
>Borja's and Olaechea's initiative at this time. If it was taken without=20
>fairly authoritative but clandestine evidence that that is what the=20
>PCP wants, then it was an act of gross individualism and highly=20
>disruptive. It would be expected that other PCP supporters would=20
>be fuming.

And Chris continues to harp on this theme:

>Date: 11 Jun 96 03:12:28 EDT
>Subject: Evidence for Adolfo?

>I still find it surprising that Olaechea and Borja should go=20
>ahead with their initiative in the absence of a clear signal=20
>from the PCP to break Guzman's policy of compromising with=20
>the RCP in the international solidarity movement.

>Date: 26 Jun 96 15:08:42 EDT
>Subject: PCP compromises with Avakian

>Rolf confirms the current official position of the PCP:

>>the policy of
>>cooperation with the US imperialist agent Avakian is one
>>thing for which I've long criticized the PCP comrades.

_____________________________________________________

>So the call for a World Mobilising Commission is probably
>contrary to the policy of the PCP....


The reasons for the persistence of Chris on this theme aren't
hard to see: Firstly, there as all know is a great difficulty for
people outside of Peru to communicate with the PCP. And
Chris no doubt would like Adolfo and/or comrade Luis Arce
Borja, the editor of El Diario Internacional, to reveal publicly
what lines of communication they might have to the PCP in=20
Peru. (We supporters in other countries of the PCP on the=20
contrary of course are interested in this *not* coming to
the knowledge of the cops.)

Secondly, as I've pointed out in several postings already,
the PCP on certain questions of international concern is
making a number of rather serious errors, which it's important
for the supporters abroad of the PCP to point out to the
comrades in Peru, so that they can be corrected, and which
the Marxist-Leninists in other countries certainly shouldn't
be making too. The reactionaries of course have a great
interest in having these errors continue for ever and ever.
Of course a cop would say: "Whether right or wrong, you
must all do as the PCP orders you to."

In the absence of good communications, should supporters
of the PCP and people very close to that party, such as the
abovementioned comrades in London and Belgium, have
refrained from launching such an initiative as the call for
the WMC? Of course not. To have all decisions concerning
far-away countries to be taken in Lima or in Ayacucho, this
indeed is a ridiculous idea about how things should be
done. And it's no coincidence either that this was precisely
one "line of argument" that "Quispe" also pursued.


CONCLUSION:

It's on the grounds of these 12 points above that I've drawn
the conclusion that Cris Burford, London, in fact is a cop and
that the forces behind him are approximately the same as
those which are behind "Quispe" and Avakian too. For a
summary, I state again what those points are:

POINT =A41) 	Chris, though not himself a Mao Zedong adherent,  		        has=
=20
been very interested indeed in the debates=20
		among those who say they are.

POINT =A42)	Chris is quite well read in the works of Marx, Lenin
		and Mao Zedong, yet he's not in favour of their
		ideology at all. It leaves him cold, it appears on the
		surface. A closer look shows how much he's against
		it.

POINT =A43) 	Chris has persistently been urgung people - in=20
		particular during the "Quispe" struggle - to "stop=20
		fighting" and/or to "be nice to each other".=20

POINT =A44)	Chris repeatedly and ridiculously has tried to make=20
		people believe that this Marxism list, and even the
		Internet as a whole, which at least potentially is quite=20
		an important tool for the revolutionaries and which=20
		already has been instrumental in the exposure of one 		        obviously=
=20
important and well-placed agent of reaction,=20
		is "no good at all" for Marxist-Leninist party politics=20
		and "only causes conflicts" etc.

POINT=A45)	Chris, while posing as a "neutral, non-involved
		observer", in reality constantly has tried to make=20
		the "Quispe" side in the recent conflict look good=20
		and the opposing side look bad.

POINT =A46)	Chris has supported the already exposed
		reactionary agent Avakian, and not only this, but has 		       =20
consistently supported all reactionary tendencies in=20
		the earlier communist movement too. On China, he's
		written in favour of the present fascist regime there.
		and against the earlier, socialist one. On Peru, he's
		written in favour of the "peace letters" hoax and other
		things which suit the reactionary goverment there.


POINT =A47)	One thing for which Chris very clearly has shown
		his great aversion is the important call for the WMC.

POINT =A48)	Chris pats the (genuine or supposed) adherents
		of Marx, Lenin and Mao Zedong on the back when
		on some point or other they're wrong and gets quite
		angry with them when they're doing something right.

POINT =A49)	Chris, although puportedly interested in Marxism,=20
		seems not to be against religion - a rather sharp
		contradiction.

POINT =A410)	On one or two instances, Chris has suggested
		themes for discussion on which, as he knew,
		there were differences among the opposers of
		"Quispe" and which might perhaps, if handled
		clumsily, draw attention away from the struggle
		against this reactionary agent and cause some
		friction within the anti-"Quispe" camp.

POINT =A411)	Chris even has tried to persuade people that "Luis=20
		Quispe" and "Marcelina Ccorimanya" must be two
		different persons, after their oneness had already
		been revealed by comrade Adolfo, and has brought
		two "arguments", the one if possible more ridiculous
		than the other, in favour of this.

POINT =A412)	Chris, though not a Mao Zedong adherent himself,
		is quite adamant in "pointing out" that no such=20
		adherent or group of adherents in the world should=20
		do anything at all of any major importance except=20
		on an express order from the leadership of the=20
		PCP in Peru.


Rolf M.



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