IN SELF-DEFENCE OF MR PLANT AND THE "UNARMED (or disarmed) "COMMUNIST" STRATEGY AT THE SERVICE OF THE PERUVIAN REACTIONARIES
hariette at easynet.co.uk
Sat Oct 5 08:19:19 MDT 1996
Re: IN SELF-DEFENCE OF MR PLANT AND THE "UNARMED (or disarmed) "COMMUNIST"
STRATEGY AT THE SERVICE OF THE PERUVIAN REACTIONARIES
>In-Reply-To: <199610032232.XAA17726 at easynet.co.uk>
>Ah, the good old, 'Plant' jibe reappears after so long. Last time
>that was used against me was by the odious Alex Mitchell of the WRP,
>when I committed the heinous crime of winning over and recruiting
>some of his members by the process of patient discussion. Strangely
>similar response to Adolfo's in fact - police agent, MI6, defender of
>the counterrevolution etc etc. My brother, whose name was abbreviated
>to T Plant, naturally had a lot of incidents with the tedious old
>jibe about our name.
>Sadly, this stale old canard was the only original element in
>The fair-minded reader of this list will note that I attempted to
>debate certain issues with Adolfo. One of these was the difference
>between the armed strategy of PCP/SL which he defends, and the
>communist strategy based on the proletariat. I presented some
>documentary material in support of my position. Adolfo did not
>respond with analysis and discussion, but with abuse and
>On the question of Lenin calling for Stalin's removal, I made a
>serious proposal to Adolfo that we assemble all the relevant
>references so that the list could discuss them and arrive at properly
>informed conclusions. This proposal was ignored with aristocratic
>The fair-minded readers of this list will be forced to the conclusion
>that Adolfo's political positions are so weak that he cannot defend
>them in communist debate.
>But after all the bluster and accusation, there remains the fact that
>Adolfo is on the public record
>1 as supporting the murder of Chiara
>2 as claiming with no supporting evidence whatever that the
>murder was called for by the working class
>3 when pressed, as admitting that he knows nothing of Chiara
>This is an appalling position for anybody claiming to be a communist.
>It throws doubt on the reliability of any material that Adolfo might
>post to this list, or indeed anywhere else.
>jplant at cix.compulink.co.uk
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>Subject: Re: A "PLANT" IN DEFENCE OF ROBERTO CHIARA AND OTHER
>COUNTER_REVOLUTIONARY TOOLS OF THE MILITARY HIGH COMMAND OF THE
>FASCIST PERUVIAN ARMY
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>A "PLANT" IN DEFENCE OF ROBERTO CHIARA AND OTHER
>OF THE MILITARY HIGH COMMAND OF THE FASCIST PERUVIAN ARMY
>NOW THIS "PLANT" SHOWS THAT HE IS JUST ACTING AS AN AGENT FOR THE
>TOOLS OF THE MILITARY HIGH COMMAND.
>Mr. "Plant" defends the most despicable enemies of the Peruvian
>class. Huillca, the Moyano woman, Chiara, scabs who are nothing but
>like of the TUC bureacrats in Britain, the American corrupt gangster
>bosses, sustained as "Union leaders" in Peru, by the fascist
>crawling on their bellies to the authorities and clamouring against
>People's War of which they live in deadly panic.
>There is no worker in the world that does not know the role of these
>Union Leaders" - I have never heard a louder voice come out of
>throats in this country than that demanding "Hang Willis" (The TUC
>who betrayed the miners' strike). And they are absolutely right!
>The shrouds that Plant is now waving in conjuction with the "Poder
>fleas - in perfect coordination with the propaganda tactics of the
>generals in Peru - belong to this kind of "trade-unionist", the
>leutenant of capital, who now that the country is in revolutionary
>are playing the same role as the "union leaders" played under fascism
>Spain, in Germany, in Italy. Counter-revolutionary activity,
>spying and slander of the revolutionaries.
>What are these Trotskyst vermin talking about? They play a role
>to them by the reactionary Peruvian state for whom they work and who
>protects them from the wrath of the masses.
>They talk of "general strikes" which no one ever obeys or pays
>too. Their economicistic strikes for "higher pay" are absurd in a
>with 90% unemployment and the factories at a standstill while
>merchandise floods our markets increasing that same unemployment.
>of the working class now in Peru is for the re-aperture of factories,
>national production and against the pro-imperialist policies of the
>That is what the working class mobilises itself for, and against
>unemployment, and for POWER FOR THE PROLETARIAT AND THE PEOPLE.
>People like Chiara, and those other "heroes" of the workerists Trots
>police spies that sometimes are put in prisons like they usually do
>grasses, to implicate and spy on the true revolutionaries. They come
>out of prisons like from their own rat-holes.
>Is that surprising? Those are contradictions among the reactionaries,
>that is also the case with the verminous phoney left.
>Pro Moscow, Pro-Pekin, PUM, Albanians, Trots, in peru are now just
>shells, empty labels disguising the FACT that the whole bloody lot are
>nothing now but a tiny crust of forlorn and abandoned generals
>army, let alone the flea sized Poder Obrero which does not even
>the Richter scale even by the standards of these despised lot which
>Peruvian people, particularly the working masses, hate the most, even
>than they hate Fujimori.
>The facts are now clear: All these "working class parties" put
>achieved the incredible level of support of 0.4% of the electorate in
>latest elections, and all they do is to hope for electoral success.
>the People's War UNMASKED THEM FOR THE PHONEY FASCIST COLLABORATORS
>REALLY ARE they had acjieved up to 40% of the electorate.
>Moreover, in Peru, the PCP calls the masses to boycott the elections
>in the 95 elections - the latest ones - over 50% of the people did
>voted blank, spoilt the ballot or did not bother to register in the
>electoral roles despite the fines and persecution which the crime of
>voting" implies for the people.
>Therefore, really the true level of support in the country for the
>left (of all descriptions) is less than 0.2% out of nearly 13.000.000
>registerd to vote: Altogether then this "third force" represents no
>than 26,000 votes in the whole countyry and that includes the
>chums of the candidates themselves.
>The PCP is the leader of a new state of workers and peasants with
>of people's committees, main armies, guerillas and militias all over
>controlling more than 40% of the national territory outright and
>every inch of terrain to the reactionary state.
>The counter-revolutionary character of the Trotskyst Plant is more
>proven now, as an agent of the Fujimori regime working in cahoots
>"left" tools of the Military High command. No wonder he, and his
>also defend Quispe!
>PS: Here is the confession of General Sinesio Jarama which portrays
>"leftist" counter-revolutionaries both in their true character, as
>in their role as agents of US imperialism and the reactionary
>Q- Given all this attitude on the part of the state, we see that in
>pacification is quite difficult. Also, we know that in the
>is great scepticism for the state and its institutions........
>GJ - Here in Peru we have a questioning of the whole system. Society
>its organisation, the relations within society, the circles of power
>society, the political regime, the democratic system, everything, is
>And Shining Path says that this should be destroyed because it is
>that one should begin to build the new power......
>Q- We have the impression that the legal Left ......
>GJ - Look here. Not even the legal Left has a space among the
>They easily lost everything they had gained at the end of the 70s and
>beginning of the 80s. How do you explain yourselves that, Peru,
>parties calling themselves Marxist-Leninist - of all colours,
>hues and different symbols - can only obatin taken all together 8% in
>last presidencial elections (1990 - in 1995 they were down to 0.4%).
>you explain that?
>I do have an explanation: These are parties based on a leading clique
>not know how to interpret the people's needs that they allege to
>Q- And the armed forces? May they not have somehow a hidden solution
>GJ- I do not believe so. At this time a military coup would really be
>adventure. However, I do know that the Armed Forces are not very
>having to defend a system under questioning, a (socio-political)
>under questioning. Having to be an element of suppression and of
>violence since their role is to defend something which must be
>given that this society does not change. Do you understand me?
>Q- Since you mention that, we have noticed that both at the
>level as well as within Peru, it is very normal to portray the
>Human Rights like if it was, more or less, a competition between the
>forces and the Shining Path. What is your opinion?
>GJ- I believe that the Human Rights organisation, both Peruvian and
>International, are looking at this situation from a very narrow
>They only look at things cetering upon if there is killing or not, if
>is torture or not. But they do not see the fundamental problem, the
>problem, which, I repeat, is the economic and social one. That is the
>problem with the interpretation of Human Rights.
>This is because many politicians have found it easy to speak of
>and not of armed rebellion. By doing so they can use the police and
>Armed Forces and throw them in to destroy the terrorists. Finishing
>the terrorists the problem is finished. But, are things really like
>I am going to tell you something. We are interested, for political
>strategic reasons to present the problem in these terms:
>"Look here ladies and gentlemen: the bloodthirsty methods of Shing
>Look here! And the Human Rights organisations have not yet condemned
>And we begin to parade some corpses:
>"Look here! Look how they assassinated Mrs Moyano (Mother Courage -
>"leftist" Maria Elena Moyano). Look here! Look how they
>one and this other".
>And, about the roots of these problems? Nothing. This is how we
>conducting things and it suits us. It is one method. We are at war.
>always portray them as murderers. But they are not murderers, it is
>that we are engaged in a struggle for power with them.
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