IN DEFENCE OF ROBERTO CHIARA
jplant at cix.compulink.co.uk
Sat Oct 5 14:36:00 MDT 1996
In-Reply-To: <199610032232.XAA17726 at easynet.co.uk>
Ah, the good old, 'Plant' jibe reappears after so long. Last time
that was used against me was by the odious Alex Mitchell of the WRP,
when I committed the heinous crime of winning over and recruiting
some of his members by the process of patient discussion. Strangely
similar response to Adolfo's in fact - police agent, MI6, defender of
the counterrevolution etc etc. My brother, whose name was abbreviated
to T Plant, naturally had a lot of incidents with the tedious old
jibe about our name.
Sadly, this stale old canard was the only original element in
The fair-minded reader of this list will note that I attempted to
debate certain issues with Adolfo. One of these was the difference
between the armed strategy of PCP/SL which he defends, and the
communist strategy based on the proletariat. I presented some
documentary material in support of my position. Adolfo did not
respond with analysis and discussion, but with abuse and
On the question of Lenin calling for Stalin's removal, I made a
serious proposal to Adolfo that we assemble all the relevant
references so that the list could discuss them and arrive at properly
informed conclusions. This proposal was ignored with aristocratic
The fair-minded readers of this list will be forced to the conclusion
that Adolfo's political positions are so weak that he cannot defend
them in communist debate.
But after all the bluster and accusation, there remains the fact that
Adolfo is on the public record
1 as supporting the murder of Chiara
2 as claiming with no supporting evidence whatever that the
murder was called for by the working class
3 when pressed, as admitting that he knows nothing of Chiara
This is an appalling position for anybody claiming to be a communist.
It throws doubt on the reliability of any material that Adolfo might
post to this list, or indeed anywhere else.
jplant at cix.compulink.co.uk
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Subject: Re: A "PLANT" IN DEFENCE OF ROBERTO CHIARA AND OTHER
COUNTER_REVOLUTIONARY TOOLS OF THE MILITARY HIGH COMMAND OF THE
FASCIST PERUVIAN ARMY
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A "PLANT" IN DEFENCE OF ROBERTO CHIARA AND OTHER
OF THE MILITARY HIGH COMMAND OF THE FASCIST PERUVIAN ARMY
NOW THIS "PLANT" SHOWS THAT HE IS JUST ACTING AS AN AGENT FOR THE
TOOLS OF THE MILITARY HIGH COMMAND.
Mr. "Plant" defends the most despicable enemies of the Peruvian
class. Huillca, the Moyano woman, Chiara, scabs who are nothing but
like of the TUC bureacrats in Britain, the American corrupt gangster
bosses, sustained as "Union leaders" in Peru, by the fascist
crawling on their bellies to the authorities and clamouring against
People's War of which they live in deadly panic.
There is no worker in the world that does not know the role of these
Union Leaders" - I have never heard a louder voice come out of
throats in this country than that demanding "Hang Willis" (The TUC
who betrayed the miners' strike). And they are absolutely right!
The shrouds that Plant is now waving in conjuction with the "Poder
fleas - in perfect coordination with the propaganda tactics of the
generals in Peru - belong to this kind of "trade-unionist", the
leutenant of capital, who now that the country is in revolutionary
are playing the same role as the "union leaders" played under fascism
Spain, in Germany, in Italy. Counter-revolutionary activity,
spying and slander of the revolutionaries.
What are these Trotskyst vermin talking about? They play a role
to them by the reactionary Peruvian state for whom they work and who
protects them from the wrath of the masses.
They talk of "general strikes" which no one ever obeys or pays
too. Their economicistic strikes for "higher pay" are absurd in a
with 90% unemployment and the factories at a standstill while
merchandise floods our markets increasing that same unemployment.
of the working class now in Peru is for the re-aperture of factories,
national production and against the pro-imperialist policies of the
That is what the working class mobilises itself for, and against
unemployment, and for POWER FOR THE PROLETARIAT AND THE PEOPLE.
People like Chiara, and those other "heroes" of the workerists Trots
police spies that sometimes are put in prisons like they usually do
grasses, to implicate and spy on the true revolutionaries. They come
out of prisons like from their own rat-holes.
Is that surprising? Those are contradictions among the reactionaries,
that is also the case with the verminous phoney left.
Pro Moscow, Pro-Pekin, PUM, Albanians, Trots, in peru are now just
shells, empty labels disguising the FACT that the whole bloody lot are
nothing now but a tiny crust of forlorn and abandoned generals
army, let alone the flea sized Poder Obrero which does not even
the Richter scale even by the standards of these despised lot which
Peruvian people, particularly the working masses, hate the most, even
than they hate Fujimori.
The facts are now clear: All these "working class parties" put
achieved the incredible level of support of 0.4% of the electorate in
latest elections, and all they do is to hope for electoral success.
the People's War UNMASKED THEM FOR THE PHONEY FASCIST COLLABORATORS
REALLY ARE they had acjieved up to 40% of the electorate.
Moreover, in Peru, the PCP calls the masses to boycott the elections
in the 95 elections - the latest ones - over 50% of the people did
voted blank, spoilt the ballot or did not bother to register in the
electoral roles despite the fines and persecution which the crime of
voting" implies for the people.
Therefore, really the true level of support in the country for the
left (of all descriptions) is less than 0.2% out of nearly 13.000.000
registerd to vote: Altogether then this "third force" represents no
than 26,000 votes in the whole countyry and that includes the
chums of the candidates themselves.
The PCP is the leader of a new state of workers and peasants with
of people's committees, main armies, guerillas and militias all over
controlling more than 40% of the national territory outright and
every inch of terrain to the reactionary state.
The counter-revolutionary character of the Trotskyst Plant is more
proven now, as an agent of the Fujimori regime working in cahoots
"left" tools of the Military High command. No wonder he, and his
also defend Quispe!
PS: Here is the confession of General Sinesio Jarama which portrays
"leftist" counter-revolutionaries both in their true character, as
in their role as agents of US imperialism and the reactionary
Q- Given all this attitude on the part of the state, we see that in
pacification is quite difficult. Also, we know that in the
is great scepticism for the state and its institutions........
GJ - Here in Peru we have a questioning of the whole system. Society
its organisation, the relations within society, the circles of power
society, the political regime, the democratic system, everything, is
And Shining Path says that this should be destroyed because it is
that one should begin to build the new power......
Q- We have the impression that the legal Left ......
GJ - Look here. Not even the legal Left has a space among the
They easily lost everything they had gained at the end of the 70s and
beginning of the 80s. How do you explain yourselves that, Peru,
parties calling themselves Marxist-Leninist - of all colours,
hues and different symbols - can only obatin taken all together 8% in
last presidencial elections (1990 - in 1995 they were down to 0.4%).
you explain that?
I do have an explanation: These are parties based on a leading clique
not know how to interpret the people's needs that they allege to
Q- And the armed forces? May they not have somehow a hidden solution
GJ- I do not believe so. At this time a military coup would really be
adventure. However, I do know that the Armed Forces are not very
having to defend a system under questioning, a (socio-political)
under questioning. Having to be an element of suppression and of
violence since their role is to defend something which must be
given that this society does not change. Do you understand me?
Q- Since you mention that, we have noticed that both at the
level as well as within Peru, it is very normal to portray the
Human Rights like if it was, more or less, a competition between the
forces and the Shining Path. What is your opinion?
GJ- I believe that the Human Rights organisation, both Peruvian and
International, are looking at this situation from a very narrow
They only look at things cetering upon if there is killing or not, if
is torture or not. But they do not see the fundamental problem, the
problem, which, I repeat, is the economic and social one. That is the
problem with the interpretation of Human Rights.
This is because many politicians have found it easy to speak of
and not of armed rebellion. By doing so they can use the police and
Armed Forces and throw them in to destroy the terrorists. Finishing
the terrorists the problem is finished. But, are things really like
I am going to tell you something. We are interested, for political
strategic reasons to present the problem in these terms:
"Look here ladies and gentlemen: the bloodthirsty methods of Shing
Look here! And the Human Rights organisations have not yet condemned
And we begin to parade some corpses:
"Look here! Look how they assassinated Mrs Moyano (Mother Courage -
"leftist" Maria Elena Moyano). Look here! Look how they
one and this other".
And, about the roots of these problems? Nothing. This is how we
conducting things and it suits us. It is one method. We are at war.
always portray them as murderers. But they are not murderers, it is
that we are engaged in a struggle for power with them.
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