the timely arrival of Poder Obrero

d.bedggood at auckland.ac.nz d.bedggood at auckland.ac.nz
Tue Oct 8 08:44:36 MDT 1996


> Date:          Mon, 7 Oct 1996 20:05:03 -0400 (EDT)
> To:            marxism at jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU
> From:          louisgodena at ids.net (Louis R Godena)
> Subject:       the timely arrival of Poder Obrero
> Reply-to:      marxism at jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU

>Godena wrote-
> It is fitting that,  given Adolfo's temporary absence from cyberspace,  we
> should witness a flood of e-mail attacking him from all quarters.    And
> now,  perhaps inevitably,  a person or persons unknown from Poder Obrero, a
> dreary,  impecunious little sect of nonentities feels emboldened to crawl
> forth.   Or,  rather,  forward through willing intermediaries.    Shame on
> you,   Mr Plant!
>
> What did Lenin say about the Socialist Revolutionaries?    "We at least make
> a fearsome noise!!"
>
> We are treated, subsequently,  to that most dubious of political capital,
> Trotskyite "history".    Not that Trotsky himself was not frequently cogent
> and correct during the October Revolution and its aftermath--who can
> credibly doubt it?--it is his own degeneration as a politician and historian
> in exile,  reduced in the final years to feeding at imperialism's trough,
> that always becomes the issue.    Still,  I wonder what Trotsky himself
> would have thought of the Poders and Obreros of this world.    Would he have
> sunk into an ever deeper dispair?
>
> Whatever.   Marxism 1 is not long for this world.   Yet the Peruvians,  in
> the most deceitful manner,  have launched--through surrogates-- a last
> minute attack on a friend who cannot at this time defend himself.    I have,
> accordingly,  forwarded their posts to someone whose stomach permits a
> closer acquaintance with the legal left in Peru than I am able to muster.
>
> The Poder Obreros of cyberspace will be answered,  in good time,  on the
> unmoderated successor to Marxism 1.  Or,  perhaps,  we should start a new
> list.    One where statements like "Mao disarmed the Indonesian
> revolutionaries" can be deconstructed and rebuilt to provide some sort of
> comic relief?    How about Bad History and Marxism?
>
> Suggestions,   anyone?
>
>
> Louis Godena
>
> Godena,  Some suggestions -
You have not offered any political arguments. So Adolfo is off the list.
So what? While he was on it his POLITICAL reponse to PO was
 "up against the wall MF's".
PO have replied with POLITICAL arguments.  Don't you think that they
have the right to a POLITICAL defence before being shot?
The substance of PO's critique of Stalinism/Maoism is that its strategy
of peasant-led peoples' war, betrays workers to reaction.  Indonesia
is a good case in point.
 If you want to combat BAD HISTORY and prove that you are a MARXIST
why not say something POLITICAL about Indonesia?
Don't run away to another list where you will only debate people
you don't think deserve to be shot without a right to defence.

Dave
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