Plain dealing, plain speaking, and the listfutures

Rosser Jr, John Barkley rosserjb at
Fri Oct 11 22:52:20 MDT 1996

     Replying to myself?  This is getting bad.  Actually I
just wanted to add the amusing detail that at Karl
Armstrong's fruit juice stand in Madison, Wisconsin one can
get such items as a "Dick Gregory smoothie."  Pretty tasty
Barkley Rosser (rest of post just a repeat, delete)
On Fri, 11 Oct 1996 17:51:39 -0400 () "Rosser Jr, John
Barkley" <rosserjb at> wrote:

>      Gosh Lou, last week I was a moron and now I am even a
> bigger schmuck than you thought I was.  And how big was
> that, might I ask?  If you keep this up, I'll have to join
> a Trotskyist sect and start accusing you of Menshevism.  In
> the meantime, I suggest a nice cigar and some good port
> after dinner..., :-).
>      More seriously, a major problem on this list has been
> too many people spending too much time on their egomaniacal
> autobiographies.  That has certainly included both you and
> malecki.  My view was that the way to deal with malecki was
> to ignore him.  But you insisted on this investigative
> vendetta that triggered his bombing us with gobs of his
> pathetic alleged autobiography.  We have all had to suffer
> through this drivel, which, as I suspected it would, showed
> up that malecki was at least partly right about his life,
> but also partly screwed up about it as well.  So what?
>      As for what I was doing in the late 60s and early 70s,
> yes, I was in grad school studying economics, but I was
> also active in the antiwar movement.  No, I shall not join
> the "I led the Lima 1963 Soviet" autobiography crowd on
> this list other than to say that I had more than my share
> of tear gas back then....
>      To Bob, I must say that this latest bit where you are
> suddenly coy about telling us details about your
> indictments, relations with the FBI, etc. is really
> annoying.  If you need to be so secretive about stuff, then
> why the hell are you writing books and covering the
> internet with all your personalistic crud?!?!?
>      Let me contrast your behavior with the real Timothy
> McVeighs of the antiwar movement, the New Year's Gang that
> blew up the Army Math Research Center in Madison, Wisconsin
> on August 24, 1970, using a truck full of fertilizer,
> McVeigh's method.  An antiwar physics grad student was
> killed and this bombing became a major blackeye and setback
> to the antiwar movement.
>       Nevertheless, when their leader, Karl Armstrong, was
> captured in Canada, he turned his trial in 1973 into a
> mitigation hearing with William Kunstler as the lead
> attorney which became probably the biggest single trial
> accusing the US government of crimes in Vietnam that took
> place during the war in the US.  Karl had admitted his
> guilt and served 7 1/2 years of a 23 year sentence.  Two of
> his partners were later caught and served shorter
> sentences, although Leo Burt has never been caught.  But
> then he does not write ridiculous autobiographies and plead
> for amnesty on the internet.
>      As for Karl Armstrong, I know him personally, Bob, and
> you are no Karl Armstrong.  In 1989 he stood before a large
> group of people and publicly apologized to the antiwar
> movement and to the survivors of the man he killed for the
> mistakes he made . Today he is a mild mannered guy who runs
> a fruit juice stand in Madison.  (A good source on all this
> is _Rads_ by Tom Bates, Harper Collins, 1992, although it
> contains some inaccuracies.  Even Ph.D. historians can make
> errors sometimes)...:-).
> Barkley Rosser
> On Thu, 10 Oct 1996 19:23:37 -0400 (EDT) Louis N Proyect
> <lnp3 at> wrote:
> > On Thu, 10 Oct 1996, Rosser Jr, John Barkley wrote:
> >
> > >      1)  It's put up or shut up time, Lou.  Either you find
> > > some copies of the Cleveland Plain Dealer that malecki
> > > cited that lack his claimed articles, or I think that you
> > > must admit that at least part of his tale is correct, even
> > > if you disagree with how he claims to have participated in
> > > the antiwar movement (trying to blow up buildings).  You
> > > certainly did find some discrepancies in his tale, but your
> > > broader claim that he is a police agent hired to disrupt
> > > the list (although he does disrupt the list) looks
> > > increasing laughable.
> >
> > Louis: Yes, I do owe Malecki a profuse apology. He certainly was guilty of
> > crimes and I'm glad he finally furnished the list with some evidence of
> > his past. He states that he was stockpiling dynamite to use in "public
> > buildings" and in a "power plant" to protest the Vietnam war. You describe
> > this "participating" in the antiwar movement. You are an even bigger
> > schmuck than I thought you were. What were you doing in the late 60s and
> > early 70s? Sitting in graduate student housing studying microeconomics?
> > Some of us were trying to mobilize millions of people into action against
> > a horrible imperialist war. The acts of people like the one's in Malecki's
> > gang or the ones who penetrated the Black Panther Party have nothing to do
> > with the 60s. They were often the result of conscious police provocation
> > with the assistance of pretty stupid people or people who had their brains
> > fried on acid. These types of "radical" actions helped to destroy the
> > black liberation movement and nearly derailed the antiwar movement, but we
> > won't let them destroy this list.
> >
> >
> >
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