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Mon Oct 14 15:02:26 MDT 1996
Note that in all the posting below, the United Left comrade doesn't mention
any political issue by name.
He speaks of irrelevant issues, but doesn't exemplify.
He speaks of relevant issues, but doesn't exemplify.
As a Spanish speaker from a poor region, I would expect him to be not only
interested in but also either well-informed about or in contact with
well-informed comrades concerning the Peruvian revolution. He could have
posted material available to him in Spanish and asked for it to be
translated. His contributions could have broadened what he might have seen
as a too narrow debate (who knows, as he didn't exemplify).
Can there be any Spanish-speaking Marxist who is uninterested in one of the
most contentious issues in Latin American politics?
As someone who writes good English, I would have expected intervention
earlier to correct what he sees as repellent behaviour. And at least a
couple of postings about Spanish issues -- the Aznar austerity plans and
the national problems for starters -- to set a good example.
But no. No warning. Just a call for everybody to leave.
Didn't anyone tell him about unity-list?
> We waste our lights in vain, like lamps by day.
>(William Shakespeare. Mercutio, in Romeo and Juliet, act 1, sc. 4, l. 45.)
> UNSUB*SCRIBE NOW!!!!!
> My name is Ignacio, and I am a member of the Spanish United Left
>Party. I am the only member of the Party, in the small and poor region where
>I live, who has access to a computer and to an Internet account, and
>therefore I am in charge of transmitting to the comrades all the relevant
>information that I may find in the net. Therefore, I have been sub*scribed to
>this list for the past two weeks.
> I can find the words to describe what has been going on in this
>list. I think some other comrades, such as Antonio Mota and others, have
>expressed better than I can what I feel. At its best, this list has made
>true what John Kenneth Galbraith one said: "It has been the acknowledged
>right of every Marxist scholar to read into Marx the particular meaning that
>he himself prefers and to treat all others with indignation." (The Age of
>Uncertainty, ch. 3). At its worst, there is nothing here but insults,
>endless and useless debates on irrelevant topics, some moonies, and, saddest
>of all, that kind of people who will ruin any assembly (what is this list
>but an open assembly?) whenever they reach the microphone. Probably most of
>us have a wide experience in assemblies and meetings of all kinds, and we
>know how damaging these people can be and how necessary a moderating board is.
> Summing up, then, I am calling all of you to a general
>unsubscription to this list. Let us hope that, in the near future, we find
>another forum where we can talk to each other, find the information we need
>for our common struggles, and, perhaps, debate.
> In the meantime, I suggest that we all send messages to the list,
>stating our reasons for unsubscribing. This list is a disgrace to marxism,
>and anyone tempted to know something about marxism and join it (I am
>thinking particularly about young people) will get a picture of us that we
>do not deserve. The sooner it ends, the better. Please, let us make clear
>that marxism (and marxists) is not this.
> I would like to thank all the comrades who have send valuable and
>relevant contributions to this list. There is no need to give the names, we
>all know them. I do not care if they are maoist, trotskysts or Stalinist.
>They have tried to start debates, and they have given us some valuable
>materials to discuss and think about. And, to all the people who have messed
>up this list ...
> FUCK YOU!!!!
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