Jesus , Engels and co......

hariette spierings hariette at
Mon Sep 2 12:42:36 MDT 1996

>KARL CARLILE:Your references to Engels are ironical in the light of the fact
>that Engles believed in god.
>HUGH RODWELL: Substantiate!
>KARL: Engels was a pioneer of dialectical materialism. He believed
>that a small number of dialectical laws manifested themselves in the
>form of the cosmos, nature, pre-history, history and society. He
>believed that there did not obtain a qualitative distinction between
>nature and society. Both were, in linear continuity, manifestions of
>the same group of dialectical laws and formed part of the one long
>story. Since these laws transcend history they are transcendental in
>This theory is not supported by evidence. It is simply a hypothesis
>postulated by Engels under the influence of Hegel. Since there has
>never been any evidence to support its foundation it can only be based
>on faith. Belief in the existence of these transcendental laws plays
>an identical role to belief in god. Dialectical materialism and god
>are just different names for the same transcendental notion.
>Interestingly Engels in his younger days had more of a problem with
>religion than did Marx.
>                                                          Karl Carlile

So dialectical materialism IS god, according to the "genious" Carlile.
Then this Marxist (i.e. a "dialectical materialist") does not believe in
what he, apparently, preaches!  He only believes in mumbo jumbo if it wears
a cassock!

Can you get any more specious, Mr. Carlile?


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