Jesus , Engels and Herr Karl Duhring
hariette at easynet.co.uk
Wed Sep 4 00:51:23 MDT 1996
>Adolfo, defending dialectical materialism against Karl C's charges of
>idealism and religion with some good quotes, finishes off by dragging Mao
>into the arena:
>>And trying to set Marx against Engels, or Lenin, or Mao on this account will
>>not work either:
>>"The material, sensously perceptible world to which we ourselves belong IS
>>THE ONLY REALITY...... Our consciousness and thinking, however
>>supra-sensous they may seem, are the product OF A MATERIAL, bodily organ,
>>the brain. Matter is not a product of mind, but mind itself is merely the
>>highest product of nature" - Frederic Engels (Karl Marx, Selected Works,
>>Eng. ed., Vol I pp 430-31).
>>And Karl Marx himself:
>>"It is impossible to separate thought from matter that thinks" (Ibid, p. 435).
>>"Materialism in general recognises OBJECTIVELY REAL BEING (MATTER) as
>>independent of consciousness, sensation, experience...... Consciousness is
>>only the reflection of being, at best, an approximately true (adequate,
>>ideally exact) reflection of it". (Lenin, Selected Works, Eng ed., Vol XI,
>Why mention Mao when you only quote the other three?
>Why leave out Trotsky? His last great battle before Stalinism ice-picked
>him was a no-holds-barred struggle against philosophically unprincipled
>petty-bourgeois sceptics over the two fundamental questions of a) the
>character of the Soviet Union and b) dialectical materialism as the basis
>of revolutionary Marxist thought and action. This struggle is documented in
>In Defence of Marxism, 1940.
>PS Is your failure to mention Stalin or Guzman significant?
NO. All the Marxist Classics are militant materialists, and Chairman
Gonzalo is for us the greatest Marxist-Leninist-Maoist leader of today, a
true and consistent revolutionary.
However, not all militant materialists are per force consistent Marxists
Trotsky - on the question of religion - was a militant materialist too as so
many others can be. You, Hugh Rodwell, whatever your protestations - and
there is the record of this debate to prove it - have shown a clear
penchant, in practice, to be on the fence on this issue seeking all sorts of
specious arguments to coddle up to religion.
I think you have made it clear - perhaps involuntarily - that for you,
Trotsky, and the cult you practice of his personality in which you are the
most persistent high priest in this list - having practically nothing else
to say or do - is a form of religion to be used as opium for your own empty
eunuch's dream of a revolutionary leadership role which never was and will
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