marxism-digest V3 #405

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> marxism-digest           Tuesday, 17 September 1996     Volume 03 : Number 405
>
> In this issue:
> ==============
>
>   Rolf Martens           Just received copies of El Diario Intl. No. 35
>   Gary MacLennan         Re: Hans and Bakhsar : Dialectics on its head
>   Louis R Godena         A Note on Alexandra Kollantai
>   Louis N Proyect        Preliminary word from a Barnard strike leader.
>   Louis N Proyect        Re: Hans and Bakhsar : Dialectics on its head
>   Louis N Proyect        Let's all pretend...
>   Doug Henwood           Re: Iraq
>   Robert Malecki         Re: Declaration concerning an impermissible "WMC c
>   Doug Henwood           TTFN
>   wdrb at siva.bris.ac.uk   re:monogamy and Marx
>   Jon Flanders           RE: Muddled Thinking on Korea,  Iraq,
>   Louis R Godena         Polling Data and Amercian support: Was Muddled Thi
>   Carrol Cox             Re: marxism and monogamy. On Cervical Cancer.
>   Robert Malecki         Pretending and reality!
>   Adam Rose              Re: Safe sex. was Reactionary Marxism
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: rolf.martens at mailbox.swipnet.se (Rolf Martens)
> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 12:15:06 +0200 (MET DST)
> Subject: Just received copies of El Diario Intl. No. 35
>
> I just now received a number of copies of EDI NO 35,
> which contains on its last page the so-called WMC
> Communique No 1. There, in its Spanish form, it really
> is an understandable communique, but all the other
> objections I pointed at in my declaration posted earlier
> today still stand.
>
> Notably: I am not the Malmoe IEC group, nor is the
> Malmoe IEC group me.
>
> On this I shall try to inform the comrades involved.
>
> Rolf M.
>
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> From: Gary MacLennan <g.maclennan at qut.edu.au>
> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 20:59:54 +1000 (EST)
> Subject: Re: Hans and Bakhsar : Dialectics on its head
>
> At 09:01 AM 9/17/96 +0000, you wrote:
> >
> >I don't particularly want to discuss what Tom O' Lincoln said
> >to you once about Althusser. But he was probably right.
>
> Adam,
>
> You do not often annoy me but frankly comrade this does.  My objectilon is
> always to the thought police in whatever guise they take.  And standing and
> bellowing "wanker" at an intellectual may earn you brownie points in the
> halls of ISO but not with me.
>
>
> >However, what stands out about your message was that you
> >told me virtually nothing about Bakhsar.
> >
>
>
> Now you say I told you virtually nothing about Bhaskar.  Jeezuss what do you
> expect?  Join the Bhaskar list or even better  still read Realist Theory of
> Science for your self.
>
> You are beginning to remind me of my Journalism Colleagues.  They have been
> primitive positivists for ever, so it seems, and they lived in blissful
> ignorance thruout the epistemological crisis of the 70s and 80s.  Now that
> the New Realism is here they are suddenly up to date again, without ever
> having to read a bloody book.
>
> Somewhat pissed  off, Comrade
>
> Gary
>
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> From: louisgodena at ids.net (Louis R Godena)
> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 07:05:14 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: A Note on Alexandra Kollantai
>
> A distinction needs to be made,  surely,  between the ancient Marxist
> exhortations against the hypocrisies of bourgeois "marriage" (as in the 1848
> Manifesto) and the theories of promiscuity that flourished in the heady days
> of 1917.    The logical conclusion that freedom in the political sphere
> should lead to a type of personal catharsis and liberation in the most
> personal of human affairs faced important and, ultimately,  decisive
> challenges from important quarters within the Bolshevik leadership,  and of
> course,  within Russian society and tradition itself.
>
> Lenin,  in particular,  was anxious that the "great social question" of
> class struggle not appear as "an adjunct,  as a part,  of sexual problems."
> He had a particularly jaundiced view of Kollantai's 1915 pamphlet in which
> she breezily declared that in "communist society the satisfactions of sexual
> desires,  of love,  will be as simple and unimportant as drinking a glass of
> water."     "Of course",  Lenin retorted to Klara Zetkin,  "thirst must be
> satisfied.   But would normal man in normal circumstances lie down in the
> gutter and drink out of a puddle,  or out of a glass greasy from many lips?"
> Klara,  so far as we know,  did not record her answer (if indeed there was
> one) to this rhetorical (but important) question.
>
> But what of Kollantai herself?    Much later,  in 1936,  having served the
> Soviet government (mostly abroad in the foreign service) for nearly twenty
> years,  she recanted much of her earlier musings on sensuality and love.
> In a widely reported conversation with the Norwegian poet and dramatist
> Nordhal Grieg,  she assured Soviet readers that "free love" had never,  in
> her use of the term,   implied  "immorality,  promiscuity or loose living".
> This remarkable *apologia* was produced during the height of Stalin's
> campaign on behalf of the "proletarian family" and against the "decadence"
> of western European "social-liberal idealism",  personified by Trotsky.
> Her "official" autobiography,  published two years later confirmed,  in the
> strictest and most uncompromising way,  this "maturing" of her earlier
> views.    [The "autobiography" was actually the work of one Olva Durgenev
> who,  I am told, made Mrs Nikita Kruschev look like Cameron Diaz in "Feeling
> Minnesota"]
>
> What,  precisely,  were the origins of Aleandra Kollantai's radical change
> in thinking from say,  *Society and Motherhood* in 1916 to her later
> recantation of these views in the Grieg interview?
>
> More on this later,  perhaps.
>
> Louis Godena
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> From: Louis N Proyect <lnp3 at columbia.edu>
> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 07:23:24 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: Preliminary word from a Barnard strike leader.
>
> - ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 01:42:20 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Catherine Anne Cook <cac10 at columbia.edu>
> To: Louis N Proyect <lnp3 at columbia.edu>
> Cc: Jeffrey Booth <booth2 at husc.harvard.edu>
> Subject: Re: Reply to: Re: Reply to: Re: Reply to: Re
>
> OK.  I know I missed something: we got the health care with neither
> co-pays nor premium caps--what we've been fighting for since January.
> Finally, someone woke up.  I'll present something more coherent later.
> We are all very happy with the result--unanimous ratification of the
> agreement.
>
> In my dazed state, I hope I'm not adressing this to the entire Marxism
> list.  I'd be happy to do so, but I'd want to get a little dressed up for
> the occasion if you know what I mean.  Meanwhile.  YIIIPPPPPEEEEE! (If I
> can be so bold these days!)  Yes we won.
>
> Most of all after a period of elation, numbness, and now more elation,
> after 6 months, I'm able to say that collective action (especially by
> those most marginalized) is a significant force.  It is when you continue
> to fight when you know you are right despite the fact that you have no
> chance that you can effect change.  These sorts of struggles are not for
> the selfish, they are fought hard, paid for with more than immediate
> gains can yield, but they serve as sign-posts for the greedy, the
> un-powerful--that people will not be walked over, that they can make a
> stand, and together, in solidarity there is strength.  There ought to be
> more reminders of this.  I am thankful that I could contribute yet another
> among many of such examples.  (More details later re strike. Story
> forthcoming.)
>
> Lou,  re party:  details to come.  Maybe Saturday.  Thank you for all your
> support.
>
> In Solidarity,
> Catherine
> 2110
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> From: Louis N Proyect <lnp3 at columbia.edu>
> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 07:25:59 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: Re: Hans and Bakhsar : Dialectics on its head
>
> On Tue, 17 Sep 1996, Adam Rose wrote:
>
> >
> > I'm quite happy to discuss State Capitalism, as others
> > have found to their cost.
> >
>
> Louis: Yeah, you're happy to discuss State Capitalism. But no dice when it
> comes down to specifics like Cuba.
>
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> From: Louis N Proyect <lnp3 at columbia.edu>
> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 07:38:34 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: Let's all pretend...
>
> On Tue, 17 Sep 1996, Robert Malecki wrote:
>
> >
> > >
> > >Louis: A couple of fucking morons. Writing manifestos for a bunch of red
> > >professors on the Internet. Go organize a demonstration or something. Your
> > >"documents" are a sick excuse for political action.
> > >
> > Ahh Louis;
> >
> > At least we take sides in this *real* struggle! You on the other hand have
> > said nothing about Iraq.
> >
>
> Louis: "Said anything"?! Of course, not. I am not sitting around like you
> and PO (how aptly named) pretending to be Trotsky in Coyacan issuing
> communiques. I mean what would Trotsky make of all of these fourth-rate
> imitators running around today like a bunch of Elvis impersonators at a
> Howard Johnson on saturday night. If you drips are going to pretend to be
> Trotsky, I might as well pretend to be my hero, Che Guevara.
>
> The Diary of Louis Proyect
> - -----------------------------------------------------------
> Tuesday, 9/10/96: There are 24 of us left now. We crossed 110th street and
> entered Central Park and set up camp near Strawberry Fields. We shot a rat
> and a swan and cooked them. The guerrillas are still hungry.
>
> Wednesday, 9/11/96: Chico was caught in an ambush near the Zoo where he
> was attempting to kill some deer for dinner. Chico fought with me in the
> Sierra Maestras and I loved him like a brother. My asthma is bothering me
> and I am nearly out of medication.
>
> Thursday, 9/12/96: Nothing happened today.
>
> Friday, 9/13/96: An unlucky day, even though as a Marxist I believe only
> in science. Tanya has been taken prisoner near Tompkins Square Park and I
> am afraid that they will torture her to reveal our whereabouts. I suspect
> that the SWP bookstore on Avenue B has betrayed us...
>
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> From: dhenwood at panix.com (Doug Henwood)
> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 08:28:09 -0500
> Subject: Re: Iraq
>
> At 10:25 AM 9/17/96, Robert Malecki wrote:
>
> > naturally slandering Trotskyists
>
> Reminds me of one of my favorite booklet series - "Hate Trotskyism, Hate
> The Spartacist League." No. 9, on the great Norden controversy, is
> advertised in the current Workers Vanguard.
>
> Doug
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> From: malecki at algonet.se (Robert Malecki)
> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 15:02:58 +0200 (MET DST)
> Subject: Re: Declaration concerning an impermissible "WMC communique"
>
> This is the first time *ever* that i must absolutely support Rolf on=20
> something. A palace coup has taken place (my suspicions, from London) which=
> =20
> are both unprincipled and backstabbing of one of the people whom from the=20
> start was involved in this stuff. Naturally this does not mean that i=20
> support the WMC which certainly
> is far from being anything near a *real* solidarity movement Internationally=
> =20
> for Peru.
>
> I think that the "unity" people should watch this struggle! I am quite sure=
> =20
> that you can learn some new tricks for a new charter or another rewrite of=
> =20
> the new charter!
>
> Bob Malecki
>
> PS: Rolf can I put your declaration in Cockroach along with my letter?
>
> - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> - --------------------------------------------
> http://www.igc.net/~vicnot/bob
>
> Read the book! Ha Ha Ha McNamara,
> Vietnam-My Bellybutton is my Crystalball!
>
> COCKROACH, a zine for poor and workingclass people
> NOW ON LINE
> - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> - --------------------------------------------
>
> >Declaration concerning an impermissible "WMC communique"=20
> >
> >By Rolf Martens, Malmoe, Sweden, 17.09.1996
> >
> >Yesterday, 16.09.96, there was put out on the Internet,
> >by <hariette at easynet.co.uk>, a statement said to be
> >"another article translated from the latest El Diario
> >Internacional (Number 35 - August 96 edition)". The
> >statement was headed:
> >
> >"WORLD MOBILISATION COMMISSION (WMC)
> >
> >COMMUNIQUE No. 1",
> >
> >dated "Brussels, August 1996"
> >
> >and signed, or purportedly signed, by a number of
> >organizations, among them "Emergency Committee -
> >Malmo - Sweden".
> >
> >
> >I hereby declare that=20
> >
> >A) I am in no way co-responsible for this statement.
> >B) I repudiate it, not because of its contents, which I,
> >as far as these confusingly presented contents are
> >understandable, absolutely support, but because of the
> >manner and circumstances in which this statement is
> >presented.
> >C) The signature to this statement of the Emergency
> >Committee - Malmoe - Sweden is not a genuine one.
> >
> >I'm making this declaration in my capacity as
> >1) representative and propagandist of the political line of=20
> >Marx, Lenin and Mao Zedong since 1974,
> >2) member of the Emergency Committee - Malmoe -=20
> >Sweden since its foundation on 23.10.1992 and member,
> >since the Founding Conference of the IEC in February 1993,
> >of the Steering Committee of the IEC,
> >3) contributor since March 1995 to the dissemination of
> >El Diario Internacional,
> >4) co-endorser since March 1996 of the Call for the WMC.
> >
> >I call on the other co-endorsers of the Call for the WMC
> >likewise to repudiate this so-called communique.
> >
> >Why is this necessary?=20
> >Why is this statement not acceptable?
> >
> >I would like to call your attention to the following 5 points,
> >for an explanation of this.
> >
> >=A41. The heading of this communique seems to indicate that
> >a WMC - a World Mobilisation Commission to defend the
> >revolution in Peru - has already been formed, although this
> >is not clear either, since, at the end, individual signatories
> >appear.
> >
> >If it is to be taken as meaning that there already is a WMC,
> >this WMC would then have been formed in a completely
> >impermissible manner. There was put out a Call for a WMC
> >in March of this year. Several organizations and some
> >individuals including myself endorsed this Call. When a WMC
> >is to be formed, then obviously, the endorsers of the Call
> >for it must have a say on this formation. But I at least have
> >received no information whatsoever on this communique prior=20
> >to its being published. =20
> >
> >If it is not to be taken as meaning that there already is a
> >WMC, then what is the point of it? It cannot but spread
> >public confusion concerning this question.
> >
> >=A42. Mysteriously, the communique starts out with six points
> >in the infinitive. Those six points are approximately the same
> >as those which the Call for the WMC states would be the
> >tasks of the WMC, but not exactly the same - two of them
> >are somewhat abbreviated as compared to the Call. I on
> >my part absolutely would endorse the contents of them.
> >
> >Only, I in no way have been asked to do so in this manner,
> >and therefore must protest against this "August 1996
> >communique" which bears the signatures of some of those
> >other signatories to the original Call which I know of, but
> >does not bear my signature.
> >
> >=A43. It isn't clear what the communique means by its simply
> >stating, initially, "to do this, to do that". Is it the case that=20
> >a text originally in Spanish, calling on people to do this and
> >that, has been mistranslated into English? If so, this would
> >clear up that particular mystery and would leave instead a
> >criticism to be directed against the translator.
> >
> >=A44. When among the signatories of this communique there
> >appears one local IEC group of which I am a member, it
> >must be pointed out that this local group, the Emergency
> >Committee - Malmoe - Sweden, has held no meeting
> >whatsoever to endorse it, at least none to which I have
> >been called, and a meeting without all members being
> >called beforehand of course would have been an illegal
> >one.
> >
> >In fact I did propose, in April of this year, a meeting of our
> >local IEC group with a view to our endorsing, as a group,
> >the Call for the WMC, but because of certain circumstances,
> >in connection with expulsion threats here among other things,
> >such a meeting has so far not come about.
> >
> >On 10.06.96, comrade Luis Arce Borja, the editor of El Diario
> >Internacional, directly asked me whether my endorsement of=20
> >the WMC had been on the part of some organization or other.
> >I replied in the negative. My e-mail endorsement, on 30.03.96,
> >also made clear that it represented nobody but myself as an
> >individual.
> >
> >=A45. To the efforts really to create a WMC, efforts which I hold
> >are very important - not least since task point 4 of the Call for it,
> >"To defend Maoism as the new, third and superior stage of
> >Marxism, within the context of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism
> >taken as a unity in development" - implies the possibility of
> >the WMC:s giving genuine guidance to the international
> >proletariat - this complely impermissible and confusing
> >"Communique No. 1, of August 1996" cannot but do grave
> >harm.
> >
> >This declaration will be sent by e-mail to the Jefferson
> >Village Virginia Marxism list and by mail to El Diario
> >Internacional.
> >
> >[Reposted now, 11.35 hrs CET, since the first posting,=20
> >at 10.30 CET, doesn't seem to have come through.]
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> From: dhenwood at panix.com (Doug Henwood)
> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 09:14:44 -0500
> Subject: TTFN
>
> I'm out of town for a couple of days, and temporarily uns*b'ing. Will this
> list still exist on my return?
>
> Doug
>
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>
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> ------------------------------
>
> From: wdrb at siva.bris.ac.uk
> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 14:23:39 BST
> Subject: re:monogamy and Marx
>
> Rakesh......<< Yes, Will and Adam, I am interested in this thread and will read your
> <further contributions.  To me it seems that the crisis of capitalism is
> <indeed a crisis of civilization,a crisis in which the breakdown of the
> <patriarchal family is as important and ramified as the breakdown of the
> <'economy'.
>
> Will....I agree very much that the crisis in the
> patriachal family is a deep reflection of a social
> crisis of capitalism.
>
> Jj.....<Can you document your claim that Lenin banned Kollontai's
> <lectures. I've never seen it claimed as forcefully as that.
>
> Will....no I cant Jj....I saw this only telly some years
> ago in a documentary about history or something. So
> even if I remember the program (which Im confident
> I do - the information interested me) I cant be sure
> its true. I would like to know more about Kollontai....
>
> In reply to Adam Rose....
>
> do you know
> anything about Alexander Kollontai?
> Do you know if Engels was right to argue
> that free love was general in primitive
> communist society? I'd be interested
> in your thoughts on Origin of the Family
> which for me is one of the most interesting
> and adventurous of Marxist classics but
> which I have never seen seriously
> discussed by Marxists.
>
> I grant that orgone energy wasn't
> obviously founded on scienctific
> evidence. Mind you, much of
> what has been claimed as marxism
> is equally dodgy.....
>
> will brown     bristol   england
>
> BTW	I thought Lenin's comment
> on free love quoted by Louis G.
>
> (not drinking from the gutter or from
> a glass that had been soiled by many lips)
> implied the idea that promiscuity
> was dirty or unhealthy....which, it
> seems to me, is the root of most
> anti-sex ideologies....
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> From: Jon Flanders <72763.2240 at compuserve.com>
> Date: 17 Sep 96 09:34:31 EDT
> Subject: RE: Muddled Thinking on Korea,  Iraq,
>
>  >>  A much more profound poll--the results of  which our
>  head-shaking,  incredulous "Ang" and Rakesh may more easily find at the
> public library,  occurred in 1968 and 1972,   while the Vietnam War still
> raged (and not as "recently" as ten years after!). <<Louis G
>
>  Jon Flanders:
>
>   I think you are putting too much emphasis on capitalist elections as a
> barometer of working class sentiment. These 4 year follies are like a
> fun-house mirror when it comes to reflecting what workers think.
>
>   The current electoral farce is a case in point. The Republican convention
> sought to portray itself as a wing of Jesse Jackson's Rainbow Coalition, while
> the Democrats dressed up as Pat Robertson's family values Christian Coalition.
> Meanwhile, Dick Morris, who has advised both parties, was sucking the toes of
> a call girl while he observed the proceedings.
>
>   Out of this process we are expected to find out what people "really"
> believe?
>
>   In 1968 voters chose between the pro-war Humphrey, defending the Johnson
> Vietnam record, and Nixon, who had a secret plan to end the war.
>  How would a worker, opposed to the war, vote?
>
>    In 1972, the war had been wound down by Vietnamization, and McGovern was
> effectively isolated by sections of the Democratic party itself. So as a
> referendum on the war, the election counted for little.
>
>
>
>   E-mail from: Jonathan E. Flanders, 17-Sep-1996
>
>
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> From: louisgodena at ids.net (Louis R Godena)
> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 09:52:05 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: Polling Data and Amercian support: Was Muddled Thinking on Korea,  Iraq,  Vietnam
>
> Ang remains unconvinced;  I admire her scepticism.    And I apologize for
> putting her name in quotation marks.   That's the way it arrives on my
> server,  along with her address,  which does not bear the offending inscription.
>
> In any event,  my primary source for polling data in terms of the Roper
> Organization is C.  Franklin's *Public Opinion and the Vietnam War* (New
> York, 1987: Wiley).    The complete Harris and Gallup poll data is in
> Stanley I. Kutler's *Encyclopedia of the Vietnam War* (New York,  1996:
> Scribners).     Poll results from CBS,  Newsweek, and the Wall Street
> Journal,  among othes,  can be found in The Year in Journalism,  annual
> volumes 1967-73.    I have several others,  but since I am on break (at my
> laptop),  I will post exact titles when I can lay my hands on them at home.
>
> By way of a quick example,  for instance,  while in 1969 52% per cent of
> adults thought that the Vietnam War was a mistake,  51% of that majority
> thought that US troops should remain there,  and 27% of that same majority
> urged a successful military resolution to the conflict!!
>
> I am sure you will agree that it is the contradictory nature of this animal
> that makes analysis so difficult.
>
> Louis Godena
>
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> From: cbcox at rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Carrol Cox)
> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 08:54:55 -0500 (CDT)
> Subject: Re: marxism and monogamy. On Cervical Cancer.
>
>     The current (Sept. 1) issue of *Science News* (p. 170) reports on
> a study that reveals that women whose husbands are not monogamous have
> many times the cervical cancer rate than women whose husbands are.
> "The risk is especially great when a husband has trysts with prosti-
> tutes. Indeed, wives of men who reported having seen a prostitute
> at least 10 times during their marriage had 11 times the risk of
> developing cervical cancer as the wives of men who had not contact
> with prostitutes." Human papillomavirutses (HPVs) are a trivial
> STD in themselves (and the body's own immune system clears them in
> a few years), but those viruses also cause cervical cancer.
>
>     Carrol
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> From: Robert Malecki <malecki at algonet.se>
> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 16:28:38 +0200 (MET DST)
> Subject: Pretending and reality!
>
> malecki wrote;
> >>
> >> At least we take sides in this *real* struggle! You on the other hand have
> >> said nothing about Iraq.
> >>
> >
> >Louis: "Said anything"?! Of course, not. I am not sitting around like you
> >and PO (how aptly named) pretending to be Trotsky in Coyacan issuing
> >communiques. I mean what would Trotsky make of all of these fourth-rate
> >imitators running around today like a bunch of Elvis impersonators at a
> >Howard Johnson on saturday night. If you drips are going to pretend to be
> >Trotsky, I might as well pretend to be my hero, Che Guevara.
> >
> >The Diary of Louis Proyect
> >-----------------------------------------------------------
> >Tuesday, 9/10/96: There are 24 of us left now. We crossed 110th street and
> >entered Central Park and set up camp near Strawberry Fields. We shot a rat
> >and a swan and cooked them. The guerrillas are still hungry.
> >
> >Wednesday, 9/11/96: Chico was caught in an ambush near the Zoo where he
> >was attempting to kill some deer for dinner. Chico fought with me in the
> >Sierra Maestras and I loved him like a brother. My asthma is bothering me
> >and I am nearly out of medication.
> >
> >Thursday, 9/12/96: Nothing happened today.
> >
> >Friday, 9/13/96: An unlucky day, even though as a Marxist I believe only
> >in science. Tanya has been taken prisoner near Tompkins Square Park and I
> >am afraid that they will torture her to reveal our whereabouts. I suspect
> >that the SWP bookstore on Avenue B has betrayed us...
>
> ahh yes Louis!
>
> The Kurds are being betrayed by everybody including their leaders. The
> Americans are throwing around smart bombs so Clinton can get a couple of
> points in the polls
> among other things. But Louis is playing the hip Che Guevara. In fact even
> dragging this militant,s name through the mud. But nothing to say about
> events in Iraq.
>
> And in fact i knew more working class kids that actually *did* something to
> support the Cuban Guerillas back then, then our New York intellectual who
> writes reams
> of support to his heroes.
>
> These kids were not smart like Louis is *smart*. But they did know which
> side to ship the guns and radios too! They proved through their *real*
> actions who's side they were on. Wheras Louis is just a mouth piece for the
> Cuban Stalinist bureaucracy! Naturally when he is not playing the buffoon
> and trying to get a laugh with the above ridiculous behavior.
>
> Warm Regards
> Bob Malecki
>
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>
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> lives with his "pigs and donkeys" in exile-where he ran away
> during the Vietnam War.
>
> According to the ex-vice viseur of the "Unity" list at
>  Jefferson village!
>
> Boycott the "Unity" List at Jefferson Village!
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