Adolfo's sense of humour = ice-picks
Rosser Jr, John Barkley
rosserjb at jmu.edu
Tue Sep 24 15:14:14 MDT 1996
1) Well, Adolfo, you are again exhibiting your
ignorance of Mexico, as well as your notorious sexism.
Frida Kahlo was considerably more than "a jeaolous [sic]
Mexican painter's wife." She is now regarded in her own
right as probably second only to Rivera in the pantheon of
Mexican painters. Her star is rising and many consider her
to be superior to him. There is a virtual cult of Kahlo
now in Mexico, rivaling that of the Virgin of Guadelupe.
2) Your claim that it was ridiculous for Stalin to be
concerned with Trotsky at that time is itself ridiculous.
Despite the efforts of his trials and purges, the Fourth
International had been founded and its Transitional Program
had been issued in 1938. Stalin was very concerned about
Trotsky and had every reason to want to eliminate him.
3) The source you are going to have trouble refuting
is Sudoplatov. He is still a loyal admirer of Stalin and
his Cheka-descended organs and very proud of his own role
in spying on the Manhatten Project (btw, he declares that
the Rosenbergs were strictly peripheral small fry and thus
McCarthyite scapegoats, although his account of what
happened in Moscow after their execution is quite
fascinating). He is very proud of the organs' success at
assassinating Trotsky and he lays it all out very clearly,
including the fact that the orders came from Stalin
himself. This is not an MI6 agent talking in this book.
4) And finally we have your nonsensical argument that
statements by Mercader are to be taken at their face value,
sort of like how we are supposed to believe confessions in
the Moscow Show Trials. Of course a Stalinist agent would
be instructed to claim he was a Trotskyist. Really,
Adolfo, for such a smart guy you can be incredibly naive!
On Tue, 24 Sep 1996 20:01:20 +0100 (BST) hariette spierings
<hariette at easynet.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>Adolfo writes that he's looking for an ice-pick to crush my skull with.
> >>Oh my! Oh my! what a sense of proportion with a joke! Do you really think I
> >>would waste a perfectly good ice-pick on dumb plonker like you?
> >>In any case, it was a disgruntled Trotskyst agent - a man who later was
> >>welcomed by his masters the anti-Stalin clique of Khruschev into Russia with
> >>the aim of smearing Stalin - who carried that useless action upon a
> >>political corpse. The Trotskysts only repeat the MI6 and imperialist line
> >>when they accuse Stalin of the actions of their own mignons.
> >Ah, yes. Everybody who says that Stalin was responsible for the
> >assassination of Trotsky is in the pay of MI6 and imperialism -- and
> >deserves to pay the penalty for it???
> >PS Some joke ...
> Yes. They ought to get a souvenir ice-pick - prostrate themselves befor it
> like the monks do with the cross and go into a foaming trance of visions of
> little grey cells - their precious little gray cells - spluttering all over
> their boudoir where they just have been gallivanting with their latest
> debutante or jeaulous Mexican painter's wife. With the evidence you present
> against Stalin - the innuendo and suppositions of his enemies, the bourgeois
> and litterati in the pay of the imperialist secret services or editors -
> which court - except an imperialist or Trotskyst court - would convict
> applying the most basic rules of evidence - and, moreover, the declarations
> of the witness at the time? I bet none! Lots of people wanted Trotsky out
> of the way, specially those who wanted to inherit his mantle and those who
> saw him as an old dead dog and a spent force, better dead than alive!
> I will transcribe the declarations of witnesses presently. I think your
> icepick fable has had a good run - just like Orwell. Now it turns it was a
> pick-axe! Maybe not so romantic and chilling, eh? Just a bloody jealous
> bludgeoning by a disgruntled Trot upon his leader in a moment of
> self-realisation of what a fraudulent lie he was!
> You are always asking for proof, my dear QC. But on this, you throw away
> your barrister's wig, and proceed as if Stalin - who was thousands of miles
> away and had a lot more to contend than bothering about an old charlatan in
> Coyoacan, Mexico - was guilty as an ARTICLE OF FAITH! - A bit more like an
> inquisitor. The Moscow trials were also falso despite all the confessions.
> What sort of twisted logic is this? Where there is no proof but hearsay
> from an accussed enemies - he is guilty. When the accussed confessed
> themselves in front of the whole world - they are innocent. Ah! The faith
> of the religious!
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