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Rosser Jr, John Barkley rosserjb at
Wed Sep 25 14:05:24 MDT 1996

     I have no intention of convincing anybody who admires
Stalin that they shouldn't.  Although I rarely say so, I
actually think that he achieved some good things, although
he think he could have done so by less cruel means.  But
let his fans not go around claiming that he didn't do
things that most of us know that he did.
     I am no fan of the profit motive.  But as I presume
that nobody on this list is, I see no point in rattling on
about it.  We should be talking about things about which
there is disagreement.  It may be ancient and irrelevant
history, but there certainly does seem to be disagreement
about what Stalin did or did not do.
Barkley Rosser
On Wed, 25 Sep 1996 14:56:36 -0400 (EDT) Louis N Proyect
<lnp3 at> wrote:

> On Wed, 25 Sep 1996, Rosser Jr, John Barkley wrote:
> >      Not all governments that have called themselves
> > "communist" have been cruel.  But many have been, and I see
> > no reason to gild the lily or to tolerate people uttering
> > utter historical drivel, such as we have had out of good
> > old Adolfo recently.  Aren't you the one who says that a
> > successful new socialist movement must avoid the errors of
> > the past, Lou?
> Louis: I have never been interested in dislodging people from their belief
> in Stalin. Obviously after all that has been said and done, to maintain a
> belief in Stalin as a great revolutionary is something that takes very
> great will and determination to maintain. I never tried to talk Paul
> Cockshott or Scott Marshall out of their pro-Stalin views either. Nor do I
> plan to fight with Louis Godena over this question.
> I am much more interested in dialoging with folks like this over issues
> that we are much closer on, such as the state of the class struggle in
> 1996. I find that these individuals have views much closer to my own than
> an apologist for capitalism like yourself.
> Furthermore a paltry little mailing list like this doesn't need to be
> burdened by stale recitations of Stalin's crimes. Most of the people who
> like to do this don't pay much attention to the sectarian idiocy of their
> own religion. In your case, it goes along with a failure to attack the
> profit motive. Some Marxist.
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