Volume limited lists? Hear, Hear, Hugh

Vladimir Bilenkin "achekhov at unity.ncsu.edu" at ncsu.edu
Thu Sep 26 08:05:03 MDT 1996

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Hugh Rodwell wrote:

> Chris wrote:
> >I am not clear whether opinion is gathering that the open unmoderated
> >marxist list which Spoons has said it will make available, should be
> >volume limited. ie a maximum number of posts per day, or some mechanism such
> >as Barkley proposed.
> You never give up do you, Chris? The open, unmoderated list,
> Marxism-general or whatever, should be just that.
> If an explicitly moderated list was moderated for volume only, I think that
> would be an experiment worth trying.
> Chris has got Louis P's number:
> >Alternatively Louis might intensify his skirmishing with Bob to drive more
> >people off the unmoderated list, and leave Bob more isolated, if Louis
> >believed that would harm Bob more than himself.
> Louis knows that he is supported by people such as the unity list and
> various subscribers on m1 quite regardless of what he posts -- quantity,
> quality, libel, malevolence, self-indulgence -- nothing matters. He is
> supported for his political stand against the necessity of a Bolshevik
> party to bring about a socialist transformation of our society. His mission
> is to use any means at his disposal to attack and discredit anyone who
> argues for the necessity of a Bolshevik party. The character and use of a
> discussion list is a totally secondary consideration for him.
> Then Chris jumps on the anti-Bob bandwagon in his usual nice-as-pie way:
> >How soon Bob calculates it is in his interest to try a different style
> >could make a difference. Like not always answering each attack. It doesn't
> >not always make you look weaker. It can have the opposite effect.
> >
> >So thanks Bob, for sorting out the apostrophe's.
> >Now could you see that it might be in your interests not just to try to
> >make as many people you disagree with, as uncomfortable as possible? You might
> >increase your chance of being read by concentrating
> >over just one or two posts a day, getting over the points you really want to
> >communicate?
> *The problem is not Bob as an individual.*
> It never has been. Volume and disapproval can be managed with the delete
> key. The problem has been with managing political disagreement. The
> opposition to Bob's ideas has consistently tried to paint the disagreement
> as based on style, individual psychological perversion,  taste, ignorance,
> etc. Running throughout the threads against Bob has been agreement on the
> methods needed to deal with the threat -- censorship and expulsion. This
> has been implemented twice, on m2 and unity-list.
> These mechanisms are tried and true in the Social-Democratic and Stalinist
> traditions. In a period of sharpening class confrontation such as we are
> living in, the battle over ideas also takes ever sharper forms.
> Those who seek a haven from the storm in an unrocked boat will only find
> the consensus they desire on land in a ritualistic ship burial.
> 	I completely agree with Hugh. This whole story (provocation against
Robert, the block between the bourgeois left and Oleachea, with
their lumpen-stalinist lapdogs providing background barking as the
"voice of the masses") has important political lessons.  This is not an
isolated episode!  This is a TREND that runs through the history of M1.
I am going to outline its nature and what we need to do
about it in "Three Tactics."



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