Lenin on Socialism in One Country

hariette spierings hariette at easynet.co.uk
Sat Sep 28 06:04:26 MDT 1996


>
>>Here Lenin makes clear three things:
>>
>>1. That he is speaking of the Soviet Union.
>
>You don't say.
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>>2.  That he is speaking of complete socialism.
>
>Ah yes. That's where he says:
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>        This is not yet the building of socialist society, but it is all
>        that is necessary and sufficient for this building.
>
>>3.  That contrary to the Trotskyst thesis of the IMPOSSIBILITY OF BUILDING
>>SOCIALISM IN ONE COUNTRY, Lenin recognises that THIS POSSIBILITY EXIST -
>>exit Trostkysm as "Leninism" - exposed Trotskysm as Trotskysm the enemy of
>>Leninism!
>
>Lenin does nothing of the sort. He recognizes the possibility of building
>socialist society starting from conditions such as he gives, and needing
>other conditions that he doesn't give here. The most important of these
>other conditions being the victory of a socialist revolution in one or
>several advanced capitalist countries leading to hegemony for the
>dictatorship of the proletariat on a world scale.
>
>There's a big difference between starting to build and completing.
>
>But then, the brilliant Adolfo wouldn't be aware of that.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Hugh
>


NO Hugh, Lenin speaks of the POSSIBILITY of beginning to build COMPLETE -
that is FINISHED socialism.  What your are mixing here is COMMUNISM, or the
highest stage of socialism, which no one, Stalin or otherwise has ever
claimed that could actually be achieved BUT ON AN INTERNATIONAL, i.e. world
wide scale.

Trotskysm denies the possibility of building COMPLETE SOCIALISM in ONE
country - Lenin assert the opposite and applies this to his own country, the
Soviet Republic:


"As a matter of fact, state power over all large scale means of production,
>state power in the hands of the proletariat, the alliance of this
>proletariat with the many millions of small and very small peasants, the
>assured leadership of the peasantry by the proletariat, etc. - IS THIS NOT
>ALL THAT IS NECESSARY FOR BUILDING A COMPLETE SOCIALIST SOCIETY from the
>cooperatives, from the cooperatives alone which we FORMERLY looked down upon
>as huckstering and which from a certain aspect we have a right to look down
>upon as such now, under the NEP?  This is NOT YET the building of socialist
>society, but IT IS ALL THAT IS NECESSARY AND SUFFICIENT FOR THIS BUILDING"
>(See V. I. Lenin Complete Works Vol XXVII, Russian Edition, page 392)

Moreover the same quotation appear in English - and giving the same source
(do not worry so much about sources that things like this cannot but prompt
others to look it up themselves and that will work to your disadvantage) in
Stalin's pamphlet "October Revolution and Tactics of Russian Communists",
published in 1924 when Trotsky - should that had been a "falsification" on
Stalin's part was in full capacity to contest it and make his rights as a
member of the Party.  He did not contest it, I can't see why YOU - his
SERIOUS disciple - are contesting this now in a "libelous" fashion?  Run out
of ideas about how to wriggle out of that hook, Hugh? Or what?

Moreover, Lenin - contrary to your vague assertions about some other
"in-pectore" conditions that according to you he did not mention - ACTUALLY
SAYS VERY CLEARLY (except of course, for Jehova's Witnesses and SERIOUS
Trots): "ALL THAT IS NECESSARY FOR THE BUILDING A COMPLETE SOCIALIST
SOCIETY" - "All that is NECESSARY" Hugh! - i.e ALL THE CONDITIONS without
exception!.  OR don't you understand English?

In any case, it is useless to debate with you.  Your Trotskysm is of the
Jehova's Witness variety!


Cheerio - Chin-chin!

Adolfo






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