Lenin on Socialism in One Country
malecki at algonet.se
Sat Sep 28 09:54:31 MDT 1996
>NO Hugh, Lenin speaks of the POSSIBILITY of beginning to build COMPLETE -
>that is FINISHED socialism. What your are mixing here is COMMUNISM, or the
>highest stage of socialism, which no one, Stalin or otherwise has ever
>claimed that could actually be achieved BUT ON AN INTERNATIONAL, i.e. world
>Trotskysm denies the possibility of building COMPLETE SOCIALISM in ONE
>country - Lenin assert the opposite and applies this to his own country, the
>"As a matter of fact, state power over all large scale means of production,
>>state power in the hands of the proletariat, the alliance of this
>>proletariat with the many millions of small and very small peasants, the
>>assured leadership of the peasantry by the proletariat, etc. - IS THIS NOT
>>ALL THAT IS NECESSARY FOR BUILDING A COMPLETE SOCIALIST SOCIETY from the
>>cooperatives, from the cooperatives alone which we FORMERLY looked down upon
>>as huckstering and which from a certain aspect we have a right to look down
>>upon as such now, under the NEP? This is NOT YET the building of socialist
>>society, but IT IS ALL THAT IS NECESSARY AND SUFFICIENT FOR THIS BUILDING"
>>(See V. I. Lenin Complete Works Vol XXVII, Russian Edition, page 392)
>Moreover the same quotation appear in English - and giving the same source
>(do not worry so much about sources that things like this cannot but prompt
>others to look it up themselves and that will work to your disadvantage) in
>Stalin's pamphlet "October Revolution and Tactics of Russian Communists",
>published in 1924 when Trotsky - should that had been a "falsification" on
>Stalin's part was in full capacity to contest it and make his rights as a
>member of the Party. He did not contest it, I can't see why YOU - his
>SERIOUS disciple - are contesting this now in a "libelous" fashion? Run out
>of ideas about how to wriggle out of that hook, Hugh? Or what?
>Moreover, Lenin - contrary to your vague assertions about some other
>"in-pectore" conditions that according to you he did not mention - ACTUALLY
>SAYS VERY CLEARLY (except of course, for Jehova's Witnesses and SERIOUS
>Trots): "ALL THAT IS NECESSARY FOR THE BUILDING A COMPLETE SOCIALIST
>SOCIETY" - "All that is NECESSARY" Hugh! - i.e ALL THE CONDITIONS without
>exception!. OR don't you understand English?
>In any case, it is useless to debate with you. Your Trotskysm is of the
>Jehova's Witness variety!
>Cheerio - Chin-chin!
Ahh Aldolfo is still trying to pull Lenin out of context in order to shine
up the bronze statue of Stalin sitting by his computer. Because anybody that
has read Lenin seriously realizes that everything Lenin *did* was to create
time so that the isolated Soviet Union would not go down in defeat.
The peace with Germany, the building of the third International, and just
about everything Lenin *did* was in relationship to extending the revolution
to other countries and especially advanced industrial countries.
Stalin on the other hand turned Lenin upside down and the policies were to
defend the privileleges of the Bureaucracy and the Soviet Union at the
expense of the Spanish Proletariat, The German Proletariat etc.
so that is the big difference. Trotsky was on Lenin side in this.
Then again it appears that the quote in fact comes from a Stalin phamplet
when he was making the turn away from Lenin.
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