Text of Khrushchev's speech??

Macdonald Stainsby mstainsby at SPAMhotmail.com
Wed Aug 11 15:31:31 MDT 1999

>Hi Macdonald,
>>Where did Stalins ideas come from? How about that?
>  This is good for a geneology, and it teaches a great deal. But I
>wonder if it works. Can we define Marxism by the ideas from which it
>came? Certainly not! Marx is in opposition to his greatest heros, the
>ideas from which his theory came. He uses pieces, but one cannot call
>him Hegelian or Liberal because of it.
As has been mentioned before, he also said that he was "No Marxist", so it
is not the label that matters, I agree. My point in all of this is that what
people attack Stalin for is liberal critiques. Valid or not, all the things
you denounce him as a Marxist for are simply how policies were carried out,
rather than the actual policies themselves, or what their arguments were.
Your list makes Castro and others "Marxist", so obviously (and thank
goodness) your denunciation has nothing to do with "Socialism in one
Country" debates. Where is the Marxist  lack of thought in the annals of
Stalin? Do we have to love him to call it on the basis of what Marx and
Lenin, et al had to say? Is our opposition because of a queezy feeling about
purges? Was it land reform? I don't ask any individual to stand up and say
that this was "pure" Marxism. Just asking for less condescending to
bourgeois opinion.

>  Do you have another way to answer the question, "How can information
>on a subject be gathered without discrimination of whether or not
>that information fits into that subject?"

It should not be difficult to realise that Stalin is right in the forefront
of most Marxist  debates this century. Therfore, if you wish to "gather
information", it will simply not do to pretend that a webpage can "rise
above" this debate. It is, by simple virtue of so many followers, a part of
our heritage. There would be no Trotskyism without Stalinism, but I see that
no one want to put Trotsky on a different page. You responded awhile ago
that Stalin killed people, and workers to boot, therefore he is no Marxist.
I guess only those who never got state power are the real Marxists. Because
you also just dumped Ho, Castro, Ortega, Trotsky, Lenin and many who never
even saw a victory parade.


To criticize the people's shortcomings is neccessary, as we have already
said, but in so doing we must truly take the stand of the people and speak
out of whole hearted eagerness to protect and educate them. To treat
comrades like enemies is to go over to the stand of the enemy.

Mao Tse-tung, "Talks at the Yenan forum on literature and art".

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