Marx, Engels and Lenin and the party question (was Re: ToJuan (PS))

Charles Brown CharlesB at
Wed Aug 18 13:50:47 MDT 1999

I agree substantially with Mark. The greatest failure in the history of working class
world revolution has been in the Western, "advanced" countries, and it was not caused
by the Soviet Union or CPSU.

There has been a lot of opportunism and naivete (notions of American exceptionalism
and underestimating the viciousness of the U.S. ruling class) in the U.S. movement, as
well as the failures Mark notes.

Charles Brown

Workers of the West, it's our turn.

>>> "M A Jones" <mark at> 08/02/99 02:53AM

The U.S. working class had *always* been fatally split by white racism.
It was impossible to split it any further than it already was. A U.S.
working class that does not make anti-racism the cutting edge of its
struggles is a class unfit for any revolutionary task. The CPUSA,
prodded by the Comintern, first made race a significant issue for
the U.S. left.<<

Carrol is surely right. I am intrigued by this whole Comintern discussion.
It's another case of scapegoating, this time by blaming the
USSR/Zinoviev/Bolshevism for the abject
historical failures of our own 'revolutionary' movements, whose history has
generally been characterised by cowardice, caprice and treason. There is not
much in the history of the US or British revolutionary communist movements
(taking them at their own estimation) to suggest that their contemptible
performance this century would have been any different whatever line had
come out of Moscow (incidentally, Stalin evidently agreed with Louis and
Jose, since he had the Comintern scrapped at the beginning of WW2). It had
already been dead for 20 years, and not because of 'stalinism' but because
of the inability of the CPs to strike into the entrails of their own
capitalisms. Whose was the failure, actually? And what, actually, is the


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