No more anarchists

Michael Hoover hoov at
Sun Dec 12 06:44:36 MST 1999

> Marxism and anarchism
> The fact is that the two movements have always interacted with one
> another in ways that were both cooperative and antagonistic.
> Marx and Proudhon were hardly strangers
> Marx's relationship later on with Bakunin was both more complex and
> ultimately more antagonistic.
> And yet the fact was Marx was quite capable of assimilating from
> anarchists those ideas that seemed to him to be of benefit to the
> workers' movement.  The Paris Commune
> Jim Farmelant

Another of Jim F's great posts...and apologies to Lou for sending
below comments on anarchism after announced Saturday deadline...

>From late 1860s Bakunin, who regarded Marx's criticisms of Proudhon
in _The Poverty of Philosophy_ favorably, preferred term 'collectivist',
in part, to distance himself from P.  Since collectivists were not
necessarily anti-statist, some anarchists have been uncomfortable
with B to present day.  Daniel Guerin suggests that Bakunin's
collectivism conformed more to marxist position than anarchist one.

Anarcho-communists have been disdainful of Proudhon's 'contractarian'
anarchism which seemed to evince 'shopkeeper's mentality.'  They've
also been uncomfortable with his labor theory of value, notion of
market-based commutative justice, patriarchal view of family,
striving to become parliamentary candidate, support of South and
slavery in US Civil War.

Both Bakunin and Proudhon showed interest in US federalism, later
P developed belief in role of federal state.   Michael Hoover

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