Ceding ground to capitalist ideologues, and a warning toanarchists

Craven, Jim jcraven at SPAMclark.edu
Tue Dec 14 12:30:27 MST 1999

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Brown [mailto:CharlesB at CNCL.ci.detroit.mi.us]
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 10:23 AM
To: leninist-international at buo319b.econ.utah.edu
Subject: L-I: Re: Ceding ground to capitalist ideologues, and a warning

 Yoshie wrote:

Hey, on LBO-talk, we still outnumber, not to mention outsmart, Brad DeLongs
of the world.


Do come back, and just ignore Brad, as Mike Yates does.


CB: Without struggle there is no progress.


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With all due respect to Charles who knows a whole lot about what real
struggle is,and with no reference to LBO-talk because I have never been o it
or read it (only due to time constraints) I guess I have to ask struggle
with what ends in mind or likely. I don't mind taking on Brad De Long if he
were capable and inclined to respond to the specifics with his own specifics
(evidence, sources, reasoning). I have used some of Brad's stuff in my own
class as a splendid example of how someone can be titled, hold a
professorship, hold a position in government and still be incompetent even
in terms of his own bourgeois sacreds. My students get a real lift when they
can go to their own texts and refute some of Brad's basic ignorance and
incompetence (and/or rhetorical/ideological blindness) that even an Econ 101
student wouldn't dare utter. And I find Brad's polemics to be useful in
illustrating some of  the common "Faustian Bargains" or the spirals of
SUCKcess in academia, politics, media and religion:

[on your knees to the powers that be, not asking nasty questions,
ideological sycophancy, and/or be willing to whore for the
man]--->[preferred access];
[preferred access]--->[big grants/scoops/positions/promotions]-->
[exposure]-->[name recognition]-->[expanded preferred access]--->...

excuse the linear exposition about linear people in a nonlinear world.

If the rightists were capable of taking specific issue with specifics in
rebuttal, they would be doing all of us a real service to sharpen up our own
skills and test our own notions; no one should fear debate. but that is not
what these wreckers are doing. What they are doing is snide comments and
pot-shots that lead nowhere except to distractions from real issues and
struggles that these creatures could never imagine; struggles made more
intense and brutal by the very forces for which these ideologues are whoring
and pimping in the name of "free debate".

What happened to the Brazilian Minister of the Environment who merely
pointed out to Summers that his infamous memo represented disgusting
reductionism, inhumanity etc (paraphrase)? He was fired while the
neo-Eichmann Summers went on to become Secretary of Treasury. These rightist
and neoliberals demand free speech and consideration of/response to their
polemics by leftists while pimping for institutions that no leftist
would/could work for because of security screening to ensure employment only
of the likes of Brad (a few exceptions on this list showing World Bank and
other addresses will probably lose their own jobs soon).

So I guess that I have to plead "opportunity cost": Since they have nothing
and refuse to respond with specifics to rebuttals, and since they will
obviously not change, why bother with them? If if there is no reason to
bother with them and if their own polemics cause people to summarily delete
them (I always read everything Brad had to say looking for more examples for
my students of how ideological whoring can triumph over lack of basic
competence in even bourgeois economics), then why are they on the list and
why do they keep coming back for more punishment and/or invective? I suggest
that just like the right-wing libertarians who are so fond of themselves,
their own rhetoric and wrecking other people's list, these neoliberal
globalists are of the same stripe: wreckers and narcissists in love with
their own notions about themselves and the world and intent on wrecking more
than substantive debate on substantive issues.

You mention genocide of Indigenous Peoples under capitalism, and the only
response is "What about Stalin?" You mention the imperialist destruction in
Vietnam, and the response is "What about Tienanmen Square?" or "Mao killled
30 million people".
Even in the old days the ideological whores on the right were more
sophisticated than this crude stuff. Why bother with them or anyone who
chooses to bother with them? There is simply too much real struggle against
real forces of repression to  give these gnats even one minute.

And lest I get another snotty e-mail about how much I have gone on about De
Long while arguing for ignoring him, this is about his TYPE and what they do
and not about BRAD in particular--he is but a metaphor and concentrated
expression of wider (and probably smarter and more competent)--forces of

Jim Craven

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