"Detention" of Pinochet

Néstor Miguel Gorojovsky gorojovsky at SPAMinea.com.ar
Sun Dec 19 08:40:14 MST 1999

Warwick Fry wrote what in my own opinion amounts to a cartload of
nonsense on the Pinochet case. Sorry to say it this way, Warwick,
but there is a lot that you must learn. Will give short, stinging
and thus useless answers to your assertions. This will not help
you out of your mistaken assumptions, but I hope I can shake you
a little, in a friendly and comradely way.

:Now I realise that the 'human rights' discourse is unpalatable
to many who
:resented the Australian 'intervention' in East Timor, but I
think this
:brings us back down to the ground in many respects, and that
:discourse is an area when and where marxists can re-examine many
of the
:evolving verbal categories that are in danger of becoming
:loaded 'labels' in the marxist discourse.

There are many for whom this 'discourse' (will return on this) is
unpalatable, not for me, who at the same time believe that it is
not by sending an imperialist army that one helps liberating
Third World peoples, and lest of all furthering revolution in the
imperialist country thus blessed. Prose and verse have been
abused on this, but as to the E. T. case I hope the ability, wit
and luck of the East Timorese help them out of the pit of misery
that Australian bourgeoisie reserves for their future. Some
recent news have made me hopeful that this may be the ultimate
course events follow.

: I think what is being lacking here in the discussions here
about 'trying'
:fascist war criminals, and whether such trials are or are not,
whether they
:add to or deny media processes which favor a particular marxist
:begs the question.

Pinochet is not a fascist, and he isn't a war criminal either. On
the other hand, my poor English does not capture the meaning of
the above.

: The point is that, given that Amnesty International moved away
from its
:right wing bias in the human rights discourse during the Chile
atrocity of
:the 70s (until then they were more concerned with the human
rights of Jews
:in the Soviet Union) and recognised that socio-economic
injustice was a
:human rights  violation, Pinochet is a war criminal, deserves no
:and we as marxists should be supporting the efforts to expose
:connection* between capitalism and fascist behaviour, and not be
:in namby-pamby ineffectual verbally juggled debates about the
:of putting that bastard on trial, simply because there is enough
:justice within the system for that to happen!

It is a moving kind of Marxism that which follows Amnesty
International in the definition of what is a war criminal and
what is not. We Marxists deal with class struggle, not with
abstract humanitarism. Give me a class analysis of Pinochet, and
we shall debate in a fruitful way. I do not care on the
'correctness' of my actions or ideas. There is not a matter of
'residual justice' but of 'increasing power' of the system on the
Third World.

: An emotive outburst, I know, but I am bewildered by the desire
to back off
:from nailing the bastard because it upsets some preconceived
concept of
:what is 'correct' for a first world attitude to 3rd world guilt,
and a lack
:of responsibility of the perpetrators. I say, if Dirty Maggie is
coming out
:for Pinochet, that is all the more reason to expose him and
explicate in
:great detail what he has done, and relate the effects of this to
why we are
:being sucked into the neoliberal mire, today.

I am backing off from nothing. If Pinocho gets judged and dies in
exile, if he cries 'uncle' and all the s.o.b. of the British
establishment yell with him, I will not be sad. What's more, I am
not worrying about anyone's guilt. I am just concerned with at
least not giving further strength to the grip that the First
World has on the Third. If British lefties are so weak that they
believe that they need to override the national sovereignty of
Chile in order to struggle against British imperialism, it is not
my problem, it is theirs. I will not shut up to keep their
consciousness unstirred. THIS is my duty as a true

: And leftists around the world should be seizing this
opportunity to
:re-present the tragedy of chile, and  the essential link between
:and capital to a generation to whom the death of Victor Jara in
the Chile
:Stadium is a footnote in history.

If it is a footnote it is because old dear lovely Victor, with
his crushed hands of guitar player in the butcher's dungeon, did
not realize that his country was to be ran over by the
imperialist diplomats, secret agents, and provocators. Victor and
many great people like him did not understand that the Allende
government was not a "socialist' regime, it was the first step in
a national liberation struggle. They thus fell prey to the
democratist illusions that Warwick also shares, and dumbly
believed that the Chilean army was 'democratic' and
'constitutional', and that they would not rise against the legal
government, in the same way the British army did not rise against
Harold Wilson. And we are still crying over their mistakes.
People who make those mistakes put themselves in the footnotes of
history, dear Warwick. It is up to us not to allow this to
happen, and to put them again where they belong. We shall not do
it by sharing their wrong ideas.


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