ludic Leninism

Michael Pugliese debsian at
Fri Nov 26 11:34:00 MST 1999

    Ooops, should have read Lou's post too, before clicking my reply to
Carroll's post.
    Thank you, Lou for the info.
                                          Michael Pugliese
----- Original Message -----
From: Louis Proyect <lnp3 at>
To: <marxism at>
Sent: Friday, November 26, 1999 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: ludic Leninism

> >       Reminded me of this book by a pomo Lacanian Marxist-Feminist,
> >Feminism and After (Critical Perspectives on Women and Gender) by Teresa
> >Ebert. Think it has a blurb from  Judith Butler.
> >      Also the cyber-Leninism site. Haven't visited that one in a while,
> >these comrades have truck with Lacan too?
> >                                 Michael Pugliese
> I am surprised, but maybe not all that surprised, by Butler log-rolling
> Ebert. Ebert is part of a group of professors in upstate NY who have made
> career out of bashing postmodernists. They've just launched a new journal
> called "Transformation", which is advertised in the latest MR. Along with
> an article by Ebert, there are pieces by her 2 main co-thinkers, Donald
> Morton and Mas'ud Zavarzadeh, who is Mr. Ebert. It is focused on
> Butler-type issues (Queer Theory, Gender), but purportedly is built on
> four-square Marxist foundations. Doug was a big fan of Ebert until the
> scales dropped from his eyes and discovered pomo.
> Ebert and company organized an intervention of a cult of graduate students
> on the old Marxism list. They had been producing a really frantic and
> unreadable magazine called "Radical Orange", since it was based at
> University (the school's colors.)
> Even though Doug was friendly to Ebert's writings at the time, this did
> prevent them from flaming him as a postmodernist in embryo. Who knows,
> maybe they were smarter than I gave them credit for. I found them one of
> the most truly nutty groups I ever ran into in cyberspace, with perhaps
> exception of Maoist Internationalist Movement, whose member only
> himself as Pat number #7. (Might have been Pat number #8).
> In any case, the Radical Oranges identified themselves as orthodox
> Leninists who were on the barricades trying to wipe out ideological
> deviations in the revolutionary movement. The funny thing is that this had
> nothing to do with trade unions or the mass movement. It was ENTIRELY
> turf battles in the graduate schools where these people dwelt. Somebody
> once wrote a satirical piece on an upcoming Radical Orange conference and
> they went ballistic--practically equating it with the social democracy
> voting for war credits in 1914.
> None of their writings will ever find their way into working people's
> hands. They are basically operating on the same terrain as the
> postmodernists, using the same kind of obscure mandarin language and
> references. Written in the name of Marxism, I suppose their might be some
> value to it. I heard Ebert speak at the last Amherst conference and she
> pretty good. The big problem is that none of this has anything to do with
> genuine gay or woman's oppression. In NYC, homophobia is being encouraged
> by the unholy alliance of the Catholic Church and Mayor Giuliani. The
> people fighting back need theoretical and strategic direction. Alas, this
> will come from neither Ebert nor Butler.
> Louis Proyect
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