MIM &/or PCP (was ludic Leninism)
debsian at SPAMpacbell.net
Sat Nov 27 08:57:24 MST 1999
Deleted the portions of the to and fro that I think Macdonald and I
are not in disagreement, if a bit in the nuance department:
Further down, Macdonald Stainsby said:
> See James Petras, "Imperialism and NGO's", available in both CAQ (20th
> anniversary ed.) and a copy of MR (I don't know which issue). Detailing
> what a lot of the NGO's are all about, especially in places like Peru.
I've always liked James Petras writings. Would also recommend his piece
in the New Left Review, #233, on the Latin American left. In the context of
a review of movements like the land occupations in Brazil and books like
Jorge Casteneda's, Petras excoriates NGO's.
> In the case of Peru, the local "elders" were quite often the Peruvian
> equivalent of the DIA/BIA reps here in N America, loyal to the
> capitalist state that pays the bills. These compradors were often
> outdone by such things as the "glass of milk" scheme. That was where if
> you were willing to turn your family into a bunch of informers, then
> you get the privelige of helping the family meet its daily requirements
> of nutritional needs. This is not to say all victims were guilty; it is
> to smash the notion that none were.
Hearts and Minds............
> >"Social-fascists" doubtless.
> Yes, the PCP certainly has the most obscurantist view on all the other
> Reds out there I've come across (unless I am making the error of
> equating their supporters with them, but this is my impression).
> > Finally I'm no expert on Peru, but in the end it seems to me that
> > "Legal Left"-whatever their faults, I'd assume the had/have Popular
> > illusions in the national bourgeoisie- is far preferable to the PCP,
> > gave the space for Fujimori to tighten the dictatorship.
> After watching the slaughter in Chile, Argentina, El Salvador,
> Nicaragua, the constant harrassing of Cuba, the "dissappeared" in
> Paraguay, Uraguay, Guatemala, etc... I would seriously hope that
> Revolutionaries get out of this habit of thinking that these regimes
> need ANY help to "to tighten the dictatorship". To me, this implies a
> miss understanding of the dynamics of the puppet states in South
> America, or just blind dislike of the PCP which is connected to the
> politics of the situation, but rather the "first world" situation.
> I repeat: The Fujimori clique did not look for any excuses, other than
> for propaganda purposes.
I knew I'd get in trouble around this. Of course Fujimori, like
Pinochet or Rios Montt need no excuses. They intended to smash the left and
the working class. "Propaganda purposes"-that gets to what my main point
here is though, for those not supportive (yet) of left movements, and
already hostile to rightist states and movements, the ideological terrain
would seem to be very important. Ceding this contestable space to the right
and center isn't what Macdonald has in mind I'm sure?
They could care less if the PCP was
> killing "legal lefties", in fact would like this (doing the states job
> for them) by itself.
My point. Why do the enemies work.
>What made the dictatorship "tighten" was the >very
> real threat that virulently anti-capitalist socialism led by the PCP
> was on the verge of happening.
Doubtful. Mass support for PCP? When? Citations please.
>Do not attack the PCP for "forcing" the
> actions of the state- pacifists used this line on the NLF ("If they
> only stopped fighting, so would `our' armies").
Well to quote a once Marxist, (now unfortunately Catholic paleo-con)
Eugene Genovese in a speech in 1965 that famously became an issue in the New
Jersey governor's race, " I do not fear the impending victory of the NLF. In
fact I welcome it." Same here, the NLF and the NVA carried through to the
end, at great cost, what was necessary to win against the French and the
Lastly a few books to recommend. 1) on Peru and El Salvador,
"Revolutionary Movements in Latin America : El Salvador's FMLN & Peru's
Shining Path," by Cynthia McClintock.
2) Shining and Other Paths : War and Society in Peru, 1980-1995 (Latin
by Steve J. Stern (Editor)
Table of Contents
About the Series
Preface and Acknowledgments
Introduction Beyond Enigma: An Agenda for Interpreting Shining Path and
By Steve J. Stern
Pt. I. Within and Against History: Conceptualizing Roots
1. From Race to Class: Insurgent Intellectuals de provincia in Peru,
By Marisol de la Cadena
2. On Poor Relations and the Nouveau Riche: Shining Path and the Radical
By Ivan Hinojosa
3. Chronicle of a Path Foretold? Velasco's Revolution, Vanguardia
Revolucionaria, and "Shining Omens" in the Indigenous Communities of
By Florencia E. Mallon
Pt. II. The Conquest that Failed: The War for the Center-South
4. Harvesting Storms: Peasant Rondas and the Defeat of Sendero Luminoso in
By Carlos Ivan Degregori
5. Family, Culture, and "Revolution": Everyday Life with Sendero Luminoso
By Ponciano del Pino H.
6. The War for the Central Sierra
By Nelson Manrique
7. Villagers at Arms: War and Counterrevolution in the Central-South Andes
By Orin Starn
Pt. III. Obliterating Third Paths: The Battles of Lima and Puno
8. Shining Path and the "Decisive Battle" in Lima's Barriadas: The Case of
Villa El Salvador
By Jo-Marie Burt
9. Apogee and Crisis of a "Third Path": Mariateguismo, "People's War," and
Counterinsurgency in Puno, 1987-1994
By Jose Luis Renique
Pt. IV. Women as Citizen-Subjects: Exploring the Gendered War
10. Women in War: Impact and Responses
By Isabel Coral Cordero
Pt. V. Political Rule, Political Culture: The Ironic Legacies of War
11. Civil-Military Relations in Peru, 1980-1996: How to Control and Coopt
the Military (and the consequences of doing so)
By Enrique Obando
12. Alberto Fujimori: "The Man Peru Needed?"
By Patricia Oliart
13. Sendero Luminoso and Human Rights: A Perverse Logic that Captured the
By Carlos Basombrio Iglesias
14. Human Rights and Social Referents: The Construction of New Sensibilities
By Hortensia Munoz
Conclusion Shining and Other Paths: The Origins, Dynamics, and Legacies of
By Steve J. Stern
3) Guerrillas and Revolution in Latin America : A Comparative Study of
Insurgents and Regimes Since 1956
by Timothy P. Wickham-Crowley
The San Francisco Public Library has the first and the third works. They
are both in the 500 pg.+ range but I'll try to give them both a good read.
Have given an initial skim and they seem solid, though doubtless both the
products of "bourgeois academics". Well wouldn't be the first time that any
of us read the productions of such. Check 'em out.
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