Ludic vs. Ludicrous Leninism

Charles Brown CharlesB at
Mon Nov 29 10:32:34 MST 1999

Of course, in developing ludic Leninism, one has to watch out for ludicrous Leninism.



Ooops, should have read Lou's post too, before clicking my reply to
Carroll's post.
    Thank you, Lou for the info.
                                          Michael Pugliese
----- Original Message -----
From: Louis Proyect <lnp3 at>
To: <marxism at>
Sent: Friday, November 26, 1999 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: ludic Leninism

> >       Reminded me of this book by a pomo Lacanian Marxist-Feminist,
> >Feminism and After (Critical Perspectives on Women and Gender) by Teresa
> >Ebert. Think it has a blurb from  Judith Butler.
> >      Also the cyber-Leninism site. Haven't visited that one in a while,
> >these comrades have truck with Lacan too?
> >                                 Michael Pugliese
> I am surprised, but maybe not all that surprised, by Butler log-rolling
> Ebert. Ebert is part of a group of professors in upstate NY who have made
> career out of bashing postmodernists. They've just launched a new journal
> called "Transformation", which is advertised in the latest MR. Along with
> an article by Ebert, there are pieces by her 2 main co-thinkers, Donald
> Morton and Mas'ud Zavarzadeh, who is Mr. Ebert. It is focused on
> Butler-type issues (Queer Theory, Gender), but purportedly is built on
> four-square Marxist foundations. Doug was a big fan of Ebert until the
> scales dropped from his eyes and discovered pomo.
> Ebert and company organized an intervention of a cult of graduate students
> on the old Marxism list. They had been producing a really frantic and
> unreadable magazine called "Radical Orange", since it was based at
> University (the school's colors.)
> Even though Doug was friendly to Ebert's writings at the time, this did
> prevent them from flaming him as a postmodernist in embryo. Who knows,
> maybe they were smarter than I gave them credit for. I found them one of
> the most truly nutty groups I ever ran into in cyberspace, with perhaps
> exception of Maoist Internationalist Movement, whose member only
> himself as Pat number #7. (Might have been Pat number #8).
> I


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