PS: Re: Marxism list website redesign

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Sun Aug 6 16:30:25 MDT 2000

Norm, can i suggest the following web locations? they were in my bookmarks already

Marx/Engels Library

Marxists Internet archive

Marxists Internet Archive: Marxist Writers (ops, is this in Lou's web page already?

Lenin Internet archive



PS1: I will reply to Philip's objection to my characterization of primitive
accumulation *later* . I am so busy with my Ph.D. proposal at the moment.

okey say a couple of things.....

Dear Philip, primitive accumulation is a *form* of capital accumulation. I did not
say that it was a *capitalist* accumulation.  PA was a *transitory* stage, which was
historically necessary for capitalism to establish itself (late 14th century). As
Marx says, pa is an accumulation *prior* to capitalism, since it *grew out* of the
economic structure of feudal society. For capitalism to take root, *first*, property
relations in the country side had to be transformed (as a *way of dealing with
peasants* as Gary said). Accordingly, this rural transformation-- ( a forceful
expropriation of peasants from the land)  provided the surplus for the formation of
capitalism in the cities, not vice versa. The origins of wage laborer is an
expropriated peasantry, drawn from the country side. not a wage laborer in the
abstract sense..  The ones who came to the  cities formed the proletariat; the ones
who stayed in the country side formed the rural laborer. Capitalist farming was the
result of agricultural revolution; so it constituted the same historical process of
primitive accumulation. However, we can discuss the details of whether  the country
side or the city was transformed first. My impression is that it was the latter OR
they were transformed *interactively*. If we follow Marx's kronoloji of events in
the *historical* chapters of capital,  we see the following:

1) The Secret of Primitive Accumulation  (introduction to the concept)

2) the exprop of agri. pop. from the land

3) Bloody legislation against the exprop in the 15 centry

4)** the genesis of the capitalist farmer

5) impact of agricultural revolution

6)** the genesis of industrial capitalist

7) historical tendecy of capitalist accumulation (overall summary)

PS2: Lou, I looked at the new web design of It looks sufficiently
BUT seriously, folks,  it is very well organized and  the material is clearly
presented. Marx and Engels pictures at the home page are more representative of the
charecter of the list than the previous picture. To say the least,  I really respect
Lou's efforts to make this list serv attractive. Given a month of encounter with him
on the net (excluding two months of encounter on unprincipled/reformist pen-l), the
careful design of the web-site seems to reflect his principled personality.

that is what i say for the time being..



> question #2: anyone know of any web site(s) containing all or most of
> Marx, Lenin and other socialist writings?
> i can buy Capital, Manifesto, etc. at a real or virtual store, of
> course, but if they are also available free at a site somewhere then
> that would be more "efficient", as an economist would say!
> thank for your help.
> norm
> Louis Proyect wrote:
> >
> > I just uploaded a new version of the Marxism list website that I invite
> > comrades to review at It incorporates a number of
> > visual and content changes, including the following:
> >
> > 1. Archives:
> > It was too much of a financial burden to try to maintain a year's worth of
> > messages. Since has proven reliable, this will serve
> > as the main repository of our archives. Even though I registered with them
> > in January of this year, we still had five months worth of postings from
> > August to December 1999 that had to be added to their database in order to
> > have a complete history. Les Schaffer took it upon himself to develop a
> > computer program to convert these archives into a
> > compatible format and we owe him a round of applause.
> >
> > Now that we have freed up space on the directories of the Marxism website,
> > it has become possible to make the original 'manual' archives available.
> > Before we began maintaining electronic archives, I would select 'the best'
> > of each month's postings and organize them by topic. They are once again
> > available and are a good introduction to the list. They begin in May 1998,
> > when the list was launched, and end in July 1999, before we went 'electronic'.
> >
> > 2. Home Page:
> > The home page will now have links to posts that I describe as "highlights".
> > Since the home page is the first thing somebody sees when they visit
> >, I wanted to put our best foot forward. Included in August
> > highlights are posts by José on Nicaragua, Lou Paulsen on Nigeria, Henry on
> > Hiroshima/Nagasaki, etc. I intend to save each month's highlights and make
> > them available from the home page in a pick list. The home page will also
> > include a brief description of additions to the links section for the
> > current month.
> >
> > 3. Graphics:
> > I have begun to work with some interesting software from Adobe called
> > ImageReady, the results of which should be apparent in the home page,
> > archive and subscription pages. In the course of developing the Marxism
> > mailing list website, I will be working with all sorts of software that
> > serve as a took kit for web development--including Java and Flash at some
> > point, which are designed for animation. I have to say, however, that I am
> > going to take a hard look at these sorts of products before unleashing them
> > on the website. Since the Marxism list web site will be accessed by people
> > in third world countries on an ongoing basis, we need to make sure that
> > bandwidth is not wasted on frills.
> >
> > 4. Art Gallery:
> > I just added 3 satirical portraits of T.E. Lawrence, George Meany and
> > Margaret Thatcher by Doyle Saylor. And excellent work it is.
> >
> > Finally, I would mention that as part of my commitment to making the
> > website useful and attractive, I have been studying design theory as well
> > as software. It is really interesting to see how something as 'neutral' as
> > typography can be mobilized as a force for social change. I have been going
> > through Jan Tschichold's "The New Typography," which was written in 1928 as
> > part of the overall effort of German art radicals to transform society.
> > Taken into 'protective custody' by the Nazis in 1933, Tschichold fled to
> > Switzerland where he continued to evolve his design concepts. In a separate
> > post, I will include some of his most interesting writing and an example of
> > his work.
> >
> > Louis Proyect
> > Marxism mailing list:


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