PS: Re: Marxism list website redesign

Norman Mikalac mikalac at SPAMworldnet.att.net
Sun Aug 6 17:29:17 MDT 2000


looks pretty complete and valuable.  i'll be searching thru it.

thanks for your help.

norm


Xxxx Xxxxx Xxxxxx wrote:
>
> Norm, can i suggest the following web locations? they were in my bookmarks already
>
> Marx/Engels Library
> http://csf.colorado.edu/mirrors/marxists.org/archive/marx/works/
>
> Marxists Internet archive
> http://csf.colorado.edu/mirrors/marxists.org/
>
> Marxists Internet Archive: Marxist Writers (ops, is this in Lou's web page already?
> anyway..)
> http://www.marxists.org/archive/index.htm
>
> Lenin Internet archive
> http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/index.htm
>
> comradely,
>
> Xxxx
>
> PS1: I will reply to Philip's objection to my characterization of primitive
> accumulation *later* . I am so busy with my Ph.D. proposal at the moment.
>
> okey say a couple of things.....
>
> Dear Philip, primitive accumulation is a *form* of capital accumulation. I did not
> say that it was a *capitalist* accumulation.  PA was a *transitory* stage, which was
> historically necessary for capitalism to establish itself (late 14th century). As
> Marx says, pa is an accumulation *prior* to capitalism, since it *grew out* of the
> economic structure of feudal society. For capitalism to take root, *first*, property
> relations in the country side had to be transformed (as a *way of dealing with
> peasants* as Gary said). Accordingly, this rural transformation-- ( a forceful
> expropriation of peasants from the land)  provided the surplus for the formation of
> capitalism in the cities, not vice versa. The origins of wage laborer is an
> expropriated peasantry, drawn from the country side. not a wage laborer in the
> abstract sense..  The ones who came to the  cities formed the proletariat; the ones
> who stayed in the country side formed the rural laborer. Capitalist farming was the
> result of agricultural revolution; so it constituted the same historical process of
> primitive accumulation. However, we can discuss the details of whether  the country
> side or the city was transformed first. My impression is that it was the latter OR
> they were transformed *interactively*. If we follow Marx's kronoloji of events in
> the *historical* chapters of capital,  we see the following:
>
> 1) The Secret of Primitive Accumulation  (introduction to the concept)
>
> 2) the exprop of agri. pop. from the land
>
> 3) Bloody legislation against the exprop in the 15 centry
>
> 4)** the genesis of the capitalist farmer
>
> 5) impact of agricultural revolution
>
> 6)** the genesis of industrial capitalist
>
> 7) historical tendecy of capitalist accumulation (overall summary)
>
> PS2: Lou, I looked at the new web design of marxism.org. It looks sufficiently
> great.
> BUT seriously, folks,  it is very well organized and  the material is clearly
> presented. Marx and Engels pictures at the home page are more representative of the
> charecter of the list than the previous picture. To say the least,  I really respect
> Lou's efforts to make this list serv attractive. Given a month of encounter with him
> on the net (excluding two months of encounter on unprincipled/reformist pen-l), the
> careful design of the web-site seems to reflect his principled personality.
>
> that is what i say for the time being..
>
> adios,
>
> Mine
>
> > question #2: anyone know of any web site(s) containing all or most of
> > Marx, Lenin and other socialist writings?
> > i can buy Capital, Manifesto, etc. at a real or virtual store, of
> > course, but if they are also available free at a site somewhere then
> > that would be more "efficient", as an economist would say!
> >
> > thank for your help.
> >
> > norm
> >
> > Louis Proyect wrote:
> > >
> > > I just uploaded a new version of the Marxism list website that I invite
> > > comrades to review at http://www.marxmail.org. It incorporates a number of
> > > visual and content changes, including the following:
> > >
> > > 1. Archives:
> > > It was too much of a financial burden to try to maintain a year's worth of
> > > messages. Since www.mail-archives.com has proven reliable, this will serve
> > > as the main repository of our archives. Even though I registered with them
> > > in January of this year, we still had five months worth of postings from
> > > August to December 1999 that had to be added to their database in order to
> > > have a complete history. Les Schaffer took it upon himself to develop a
> > > computer program to convert these archives into a mail-archives.com
> > > compatible format and we owe him a round of applause.
> > >
> > > Now that we have freed up space on the directories of the Marxism website,
> > > it has become possible to make the original 'manual' archives available.
> > > Before we began maintaining electronic archives, I would select 'the best'
> > > of each month's postings and organize them by topic. They are once again
> > > available and are a good introduction to the list. They begin in May 1998,
> > > when the list was launched, and end in July 1999, before we went 'electronic'.
> > >
> > > 2. Home Page:
> > > The home page will now have links to posts that I describe as "highlights".
> > > Since the home page is the first thing somebody sees when they visit
> > > marxmail.org, I wanted to put our best foot forward. Included in August
> > > highlights are posts by José on Nicaragua, Lou Paulsen on Nigeria, Henry on
> > > Hiroshima/Nagasaki, etc. I intend to save each month's highlights and make
> > > them available from the home page in a pick list. The home page will also
> > > include a brief description of additions to the links section for the
> > > current month.
> > >
> > > 3. Graphics:
> > > I have begun to work with some interesting software from Adobe called
> > > ImageReady, the results of which should be apparent in the home page,
> > > archive and subscription pages. In the course of developing the Marxism
> > > mailing list website, I will be working with all sorts of software that
> > > serve as a took kit for web development--including Java and Flash at some
> > > point, which are designed for animation. I have to say, however, that I am
> > > going to take a hard look at these sorts of products before unleashing them
> > > on the website. Since the Marxism list web site will be accessed by people
> > > in third world countries on an ongoing basis, we need to make sure that
> > > bandwidth is not wasted on frills.
> > >
> > > 4. Art Gallery:
> > > I just added 3 satirical portraits of T.E. Lawrence, George Meany and
> > > Margaret Thatcher by Doyle Saylor. And excellent work it is.
> > >
> > > Finally, I would mention that as part of my commitment to making the
> > > website useful and attractive, I have been studying design theory as well
> > > as software. It is really interesting to see how something as 'neutral' as
> > > typography can be mobilized as a force for social change. I have been going
> > > through Jan Tschichold's "The New Typography," which was written in 1928 as
> > > part of the overall effort of German art radicals to transform society.
> > > Taken into 'protective custody' by the Nazis in 1933, Tschichold fled to
> > > Switzerland where he continued to evolve his design concepts. In a separate
> > > post, I will include some of his most interesting writing and an example of
> > > his work.
> > >
> > > Louis Proyect
> > > Marxism mailing list: http://www.marxmail.org/
>
> --
>
> Xxxx Xxxxx Xxxxxx
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> Department of Political Science
> SUNY at Albany
> Nelson A. Rockefeller College
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