To Mine

Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky Gorojovsky at
Mon Aug 7 18:48:52 MDT 2000

En relación a To Mine ,
el 7 Aug 00, a las 15:39, Julio Pino dijo:


> I do not now nor have I ever ben a "state-cap" fellow. The USSR after
> 1917 was a transitional society, moving towards socialism but still
> marked deeply by capitalist property relations. But I will sset that
> the Bolsheviks(and by this I include Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin)took
> steps that, however necessary for short survival, ultimately resulted
> in the political marginalization of the working class. In other words,
> it did not start with Stalin, nor can Stalinism be blamed solely on
> the capitalist encirclement of the USSR. Comradely, Julio Cesar

Loud and strong. But not wholly substantiated, IMHO.

Lenin and Trotsky, at the very least (and not only them) were deeply
conscious of the marginalization of the working class (not only as a
result of encirclement, which isn't of course the only reason for
Stalinism, but "allí querría habernos visto, Julio" --translate this
into good English, please!).

The chances that the USSR followed a different path than it
ultimately followed became dim by the mid-20s, as we all know, and
the defeat of the Western working class (its self-defeat in more
senses than one) is an important reason for that.  Though one can
think in retrospect and say "yes, in these measures you have the
germs of future marginalization" (just think of Trotsky's "war
communism", which was a fervid transposition of the sheer necessities
of war to the language of socialism), these measures cannot be
understood by themselves as if they arose from some fault in
Bolshevik Marxism. I, for one, can't grasp that root. It would be
fine if Julio, or someone, could point to it and give more meat to
this observation by him.

Néstor Miguel Gorojovsky
gorojovsky at

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