Class Dismissed but not Dissed: the Latin American Case

Macdonald Stainsby mstainsby at
Wed Aug 16 16:24:43 MDT 2000

A quick note: Marx spoke of the need for class consciousness, and the role
of the working mens association in that. Lenin points out that workers will
only gain as much as a trade union consciousness through struggle. The rest
is taught.

Off to class...


----- Original Message -----
From: "Louis Proyect" <lnp3 at>
To: <marxism at>
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: Class Dismissed but not Dissed: the Latin American Case

> >   I'll make myself plain: I believe Marx to have been wrong in thinking
> >that the proletariat would attain class consciousness by undergoing
> >immiseration and witnessing the widening gap between it and the
> >with the role of communists being to bring together the common interests
> >all workers and provide leadership.
> Is this Karl Marx you are referring to?
> >   I believe Lenin to have been wrong (as it applies to today)in thinking
> >the revolutionary party could bring political consciousness to the
> >class and ignite the Spark of revolution.
> Lenin never wrote this way. He had a much more nuanced way of thinking and
> expressing himself. This sounds more like Blanqui.
> >  Revolution will come to Latin America only when Marxism is reborn as
> >something other than, and goes beyond, a class movement.
> >Julio Cesar
> Sounds like you've been reading those post-marxists. Shame on you.
> Louis Proyect
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