Self Determination- Support It!

Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky Gorojovsky at
Mon Aug 21 14:59:06 MDT 2000

En relación a Re: Self Determination- Support It!,
el 21 Aug 00, a las 10:05, Louis Proyect dijo:

> No, what is lacking is a class analysis. Yugoslavia had been the
> victim of a ten year long imperialist assault on every vestige of
> socialism. Milosevic and his wife, despite earlier attempts to
> accomodate imperialism, finally said no.
> December 12, 1990 Los Angeles Times:
> "The choice of Milosevic and what amounts to hard-line communism
> isolates Serbia, the largest republic, from four other Yugoslav states
> that have elected center-right governments and set about repairing the
> economic damage inflicted by half a century of Marxism. The Socialists
> have remained popular in Serbia despite an anti-Communist mood in
> Eastern Europe..."
> What does this have to do with Indonesia? Why would we even link the
> two nations? Indonesia is a capitalist nation lacking anti-imperialist
> credentials of any sort. For pete's sake, we are not dealing with a
> Venezuela or a Libya, are we? Indonesia has been acting on
> imperialism's behalf ever since the overthrow of Sukarno, who WAS a
> Quadaffi type figure. Since the 1960s, mostly under Suharto's rule,
> Indonesia has been an accomplice to imperialist policy in East Asia,
> starting with East Timor. Why would we even begin to talk in terms of
> Indonesia's 'self-determination'?

Because there are not too many alternatives that effectively generate
an anti-imperialist state, Tony may answer. And I personally agree.
The Bandung Conference, convened by Sukarno in 1956, was a lot more
than "another Qadaffi's"  job. Sukarno was a national bourgeois
leader, true, and the Suharto and Suharto-bred regimes after his
ousting have been on the payroll of imperialism. But the colonial
regime in East Timor was on that payroll also, and when Indonesia
invaded East Timor no imperialist voice ran high to the defence of
the rights of East Timorese peoples. What could one do but support
their struggle against the Indonesian government?

But now, when the Indonesian government is under attack from
imperialism, things are beginning to beg our attention. What kind of
an attack, you may ask? Well, of an attack that begins, as always, by
wagging the dog, by creating a new enemy on the media, the
"imperialist" Javanese -I bet that if the trend goes on, not many
years from now, in the same way that imperialists speak of "Serbia
and Montenegro", they will speak of "Java and Bali".

The destiny of the East Timorese is thus IMHO linked with common
struggle with Indonesians (even with Indonesian Javenese nationalists
if need be) against imperialist "protection". This is like when you
get Maffia protection from your own neighbors.

We should be less assertive in our "class analysis", I think, and try
to keep the whole scenario in front of our eyes. The piece of
information that Lou has posted is a good reason why to support Milo,
not a reason why to support separatisms in Indonesia against Jakarta.
True, since the Jakarta regime has no point in common with socialism,
they have been spared massive bombings and widespread defoliation by
chemical means (not by _other_ means, as we all know). But this does
not mean that imperialism backs Jakarta against Dili, nor that the
break up of Indonesia is a progressive thing.

National self determination requests some basic prerrequisites, among
others a unity not based on ethnicity, and a mass of population large
enough to support a modern economy, which the splintered Indonesia
would not have. East Timor certainly does not have them. National and
ethnic claims are not the same tning. Actually, they are the opposite
of each other.

Néstor Miguel Gorojovsky
gorojovsky at

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