When Pigs Fry

Jose G. Perez jg_perez at SPAMbellsouth.net
Mon Aug 28 01:41:05 MDT 2000


Julio Pino writes:

> Nyet.  A worker who puts on an army or police uniform is a pig, as any
> Black Panther could tell you, no matter if he(or she) is Black, White or
> Purple. If the Russian soldiers in Chechnya don't want to get killed they
> can always desert, or better yet kill their officers and give their guns
to
> the Mujahadden.

    I do not think it is correct to equate soldier and cop.

    The social functions, the actual day-to-day role of cops in capitalist
society makes them enemies of the workers movement and all oppressed people,
a "pig" as the panthers used to say.

    But soldiers by and large are workers in uniform. Their role isn't the
day-to-day repression of working people. They are not "pigs," they are
brothers (and increasingly sisters) shanghaied by the ruling class to be
used as cannon fodder.

    That the army is "all volunteer" or draftees, in the case of a large,
modern capitalist army like the United States's, makes no difference. There
are all kinds of subtle and not-so-subtle economic and social pressures at
work pushing people into the army, even when there is no draft. I'm talking
here about the soldiers, not the officer corps, that is quite another
matter.

    In the case of semicolonial countries, the situation can get more
complicated, for a couple of reasons, one being that armed forces are
sometimes used in day-to-day repression of working people, the other being
in the opposite direction, that members of the armed forces sometimes
reflect and become conduits for the just national aspirations of a colonial
or semicolonial country, so for example you get figures like Perón, Nasser
and Chávez, who have no parallel in the imperialist countries. Therefore I
think it is necessary to make a more detailed analysis in each country.

    Somoza's national guard, for example, was essentially an instrument of
domestic political repression. Batista, on the other hand, had a very large
military establishment trained with the ideology that they were defending
Cuba against foreign enemies (at the time, the Russian menace). Batista's
use of the army against the rebels thoroughly demoralized it and was one of
the main factors that provoked its collapse. Throughout the struggle, the
rebels constantly appealed to honest military officers to rise up against
Batista, something that would have been quite nonsensical in Nicaragua, for
example, and there were in fact several military conspiracies against the
dictator including an open rebellion by a section of the Navy.

José
----- Original Message -----
From: "Julio Pino" <jpino at kent.edu>
To: <marxism at lists.panix.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 1:44 PM
Subject: When Pigs Fry


> At 05:20 PM 8/26/00 -0500, you wrote:
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> >Rushing in with racist venom (supposedly to oppose the racism from the
> >Russians) is not a socialist position.     And racist venom is exactly
> >what references to 'the Russan Pig army' is.
> Nyet.  A worker who puts on an army or police uniform is a pig, as any
> Black Panther could tell you, no matter if he(or she) is Black, White or
> Purple. If the Russian soldiers in Chechnya don't want to get killed they
> can always desert, or better yet kill their officers and give their guns
to
> the Mujahadden.
>    In answer to Owen's post, how do you support militarily the right of
the
> Chechens to self-determination without killing Russian soldiers right now?
> During the Viet Nam War "Victory to the NLF" meant kill as many GIs as you
> possibly can. The Chechens cannot wait for the firing squads after the
> Revolution.
>
> >And now you, Julio, have decided to convert to Islam to struggle against
> >infidels?
> Yes.Suban Allah!
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> >Tony
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