Forwarded from Anthony (homosexuality)

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Sun Dec 3 17:55:57 MST 2000

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From: Yoshie Furuhashi <furuhashi.1 at>
To: <marxism at>
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: Forwarded from Anthony (homosexuality)

> George & Anthony:
> >this is an interesting point. if it is true, it would also explain
> >forms of sexual repression. I mean the point about controlling disease.
> >demographic questions are more historically specific. and now? disease is
> >still a problem. how does this material fact influence social life? I'm
> >sure. if we had safe sex, would the problem be solved?
> To make STDs responsible for "sexual repression," prohibition of
> same-sex eroticism & activities, etc. is to spin a tall tale, though.
> I suppose STDs of one kind or another existed in all human societies
> throughout recorded history, and until recently, there was no
> effective cure or way of managing STDs medically.  Nonetheless, human
> societies have exhibited a great deal of variations in attitudes
> toward sex.  Therefore, it is not a viable explanation to say that
> "sexual repression," including prohibition of same-sex eroticism &
> activities, arose in response to STDs.
> Also, "sexual repression" is a vague term.  Exactly whose sexuality
> is repressed?  What kind of sexuality is repressed?  How?
> For instance, while the Victorian period is often mistakenly thought
> of as the age of sexual repression, Victorian men did not have their
> sexuality repressed at all.  Sexual commerce was thriving, & the
> double standard protected middle-class men while penalizing
> middle-class women.  The working-class had a sexual ethic & standard
> different from the middle class, whose "reformers" tried very hard to
> make the working class conform to the middle-class ethic & standard.
> To neglect to ask class & gender questions in relation to sex &
> sexuality is to forget Engels's lesson.
> Lastly, to use the terms "homosexuality" & "heterosexuality" in
> reference to same-sex activities before the nineteenth century is
> anachronistic.  These terms refer to sexual _identities_, not sexual
> _acts_.
> In societies before the rise of urban industrial capitalism of the
> nineteenth century, those who engaged in same-sex activities tended
> not to do so _exclusively_.  While agriculture was the main
> occupation for the majority in the world & each household a unit of
> production, there was no material condition that would sustain a
> large number of men & women whose object choices were exclusively

this point about sexualidentity is interesting. what is your source for
infomation for the last paragraph? > members of their own sex.
> Yoshie

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